Sonic Automotive Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 5, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Sonic Automotive's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. This conference call is being recorded today, Monday, August 5, 2024. Presentation materials, which accompany management's discussion on the conference call, can be accessed at the company's website at ir.sonicautomotive.com. At this time, I would like to refer to the Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities and Litigation Reform Act of 1995. During this conference call, management may discuss financial projections, information or expectations about the company's products or market or otherwise make statements about the future.

Operator

Such statements are forward looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, management may discuss certain non GAAP financial measures as defined by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please refer to the non GAAP reconciliation tables in the company's current report on Form 8 ks filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission earlier today. I would now like to introduce Mr.

Operator

David Smith, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Sonic Automotive. Mr. Smith, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Sonic Automotive Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Again, I'm David Smith, the company's Chairman and CEO. Joining me on the call today is our President, Jeff Dyke our CFO, Heath Byrd our EchoPark Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Tim Keane and our Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr. Danny Weiland.

Speaker 1

We would like to open the call by sincerely thanking our amazing teammates for delivering a world class guest experience for our customers. Our EchoPark Automotive teammates achieved the top spot as the number one pre owned automotive dealer and guest satisfaction ranked by reputation.com. And our Sonic Automotive franchise teammates have achieved among the highest customer satisfaction scores in our industry and in our company's history. Our teammates are truly living our sonic purpose to deliver an experience for our guests and our teammates that fulfills dreams, enriches lives and delivers happiness. We believe our strong relationship with our teammates, our manufacturer and lending partners, and our guests are key to our future success.

Speaker 1

And as always, I would like to thank them all for their support and loyalty to the Sonic Automotive team. We remain focused on our ability to adapt to changing market dynamics in the near term, while positioning Sonic to achieve our long term strategic goals. I'm pleased to report that we continue to make great progress in our EchoPark segment performance in the Q2 with record second quarter adjusted EBITDA that outpaced our previous projections and sets the stage for continued growth in the second half of twenty twenty four and beyond. Overall, the Sonic Automotive team continued to execute at a high level, despite operational challenges in the last 12 days of the second quarter, as a result of the previously announced CDK software outage. As of today, SONICS access to this information systems provided by CDK has been restored.

Speaker 1

However, we continued to experience operational disruptions throughout July related to the functionality of certain CDK customer lead applications, inventory management applications and related third party applications integrations with CDK. As a result of the business disruption caused by the CDK outage, we estimate our 2nd quarter GAAP income before taxes was negatively impacted by approximately $30,000,000 or $0.64 in diluted earnings per share, which includes approximately $11,600,000 or $0.25 in EPS related to excess compensation paid to teammates who had reduced income potential due to the CDK outage. 2nd quarter EPS was $1.18 per share on a reported basis and excluding the effect of certain charges as detailed in our press release this morning, adjusted EPS was $1.47 per share, a 20% decrease year over year due to the effects of the CDK outage on our 2nd quarter financial results. Prior to the CDK outage, we were tracking to have another great quarter of operating performance and financial results, and I'm confident that our team will continue to execute at a high level moving forward. Turning now to 2nd quarter franchised dealership trends.

Speaker 1

We continued to expansion of new vehicle inventory levels across our brand portfolio, ending the quarter with a 59 day supply of inventory, up from 50 days at the end of the Q1. This increase was driven in part by a slower sales rate in the last 12 days of the quarter, as well as certain models that were subject to a top sale order from the manufacturer. The rate of same store new vehicle gross profit per unit declined moderated somewhat in the quarter to $3,590 per unit. We expect this decline in new vehicle GPUs to continue throughout 2024 and exiting the 4th quarter in the low $3,000 range, but we continue to believe that the new normal level of new vehicle GPU will remain structurally higher than it was pre pandemic, normalizing around $2,500 to $3,000 per unit range in 2025. Additionally, our team continues to work closely with manufacturer partners to manage new vehicle inventory levels and better align powertrain options with evolving consumer demand, which should benefit inventory day supply, floorplan interest costs and new vehicle GPU.

Speaker 1

In the used vehicle market, wholesale auction prices for 3 year old vehicles decreased 5% during the 2nd quarter, while our franchise dealerships average retail used pricing was flat compared to the Q1, providing stability in the used GPU at $15.24 per unit on a same store basis. Elevated used retail prices remain a challenge for consumers, contributing to affordability concerns amid the current interest rate environment. However, the return to normal seasonal trends in the used vehicle wholesale pricing are positive for our business outlook and should benefit affordability and used vehicle sales volume going forward. Our team remains focused on driving incremental used inventory acquisition and retail sales opportunities in 2024, driving upside in this line of the business alongside the expected normalization of used car pricing and volumes over time. Our F and I performance continues to be a strength despite elevated consumer interest rates with same store franchised F and I GPU of $2,380 in the 2nd quarter, down 6% year over year, but up 1% sequentially from the Q1.

Speaker 1

The continued stability in F and I supports our view that F and I per unit will remain structurally higher than pre pandemic levels, even in the challenging consumer affordability environment. Our parts and service or fixed operations business remained strong, with a 2% increase in same store fixed ops gross profit despite lost productivity at the end of June due to the CDK outage. We are very proud of the success our team has had in this area and we believe there are remaining opportunities to grow our fixed ops business as we progress through 2024. As we mentioned previously, in March, we launched an initiative to increase our technician headcount by a net 300 technicians in 2024, which we expect would contribute an additional $100,000,000 in annualized fixed ops gross profit. Today, we have increased our technician headcount by a net 131 techs and paced nearly 30 new techs per month in Q2, positioning us well to achieve this goal in the remainder of 2024.

Speaker 1

Turning now to the EchoPark segment. We are excited to report 2nd quarter record EchoPark segment quarterly adjusted EBITDA of $7,200,000 Excluding closed stores, EchoPark segment adjusted EBITDA was $9,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, in line with the Q1 and ahead of our previous guidance for a seasonally lighter second quarter, despite headwinds from the CDK outage at the end of June. For the Q2, we reported Echo Park revenues of $517,000,000 down 14% from the prior year and 2nd quarter EchoPark gross profit of $51,000,000 which was up 91% from the prior year, despite a significant reduction in store count year over year. EchoPark segment retail unit sales volume for the quarter was approximately 16,600 units, down 3% year over year. However, on a same store basis, which excludes closed stores, EchoPark retail unit sales volume was up 23% in the 2nd quarter.

Speaker 1

Revenue was up 10% and gross profit was up 81%. EchoPark segment total gross profit per unit was $3,078 per unit, up $9.27 per unit year over year and up $123 per unit from the Q1, driven by marginal improvements and used wholesale market pricing, improving inventory sales velocity and higher F and I gross profit per unit. As discussed on our previous earnings calls, the reductions to our store footprint since the Q1 of 2023 allowed us to better allocate inventory across the platform, driving higher unit sales volume per rooftop, better total variable GPU and a second consecutive quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA. Our unwavering confidence in EchoPark's long term potential has allowed us to weather the challenges in the used vehicle market in recent years, and we believe our performance in the second quarter demonstrates a tremendous opportunity for this brand. A 2nd consecutive quarter of positive segment adjusted EBITDA for EchoPark validates the strategic adjustments we've made over the past few quarters, and we look forward to resuming disciplined long term growth for EchoPark as used vehicle market conditions continue to improve in the coming years.

Speaker 1

Turning now to our Powersports segment. For the 2nd quarter, we generated revenues of $39,600,000 dollars gross profit of $10,700,000 and segment adjusted EBITDA of $2,300,000 As expected, the powersports selling season began to ramp up in April and we are really looking forward to maximizing the benefits of this year's Sturgis rally, which kicked off this past week. We continue to focus on identifying operational synergies within our current powersports network, while fine tuning our powersports playbooks. In the near term, we look forward to implementing our refined F and I sales strategy, centralized marketing and inventory management and the rollout of sonicpowersports.com. While we are taking a disciplined approach to expansion in this segment, we remain optimistic about the future growth opportunities in this adjacent retail sector when the time is right.

Speaker 1

Finally, our diversified cash flow streams continued to benefit our overall financial position in the 2nd quarter, despite operational disruptions from the CDK outage. Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the 2nd quarter with $885,000,000 in available liquidity, including 4 $67,000,000 in combined cash and floorplan deposits on hand. We continue to maintain a conservative balance sheet approach with the ability to deploy capital strategically as the market evolves. Additionally, I'm pleased to report today that our Board of Directors approved a quarterly cash dividend of $0.30 per share, payable on October 15, 2024 to all stockholders of record on September 13, 2024. As you can see in the investor presentation we released this morning, we are reaffirming our limited financial guidance for 2024 following our 2nd quarter results.

Speaker 1

We continue to believe that lower franchise dealership segment earnings can be at least partially offset by significant improvements in the EchoPark segment results, returning to positive EchoPark segment adjusted EBITDA for the year, as well as a moderate increase in Power Sports segment income year over year. Prior to the CDK outage, we were projecting a second consecutive quarter of year over year EPS growth, demonstrating the value of our diversified business model in the current environment compared to a traditional franchised only model. In closing, our team remains focused on near term execution and adapting to ongoing changes in the automotive retail environment and macroeconomic backdrop, while making strategic decisions to maximize long term returns. Furthermore, we continue to believe our diversified business model provides significant earnings growth opportunities in our EchoPark and Powersports segments that may help offset any industry driven margin headwinds we may face in the franchise business, minimizing the earnings downside to consolidated Sonic results over time. We remain confident that we have the right strategy and the right people and the right culture to continue to grow our business and create long term value for our stakeholders.

Speaker 1

This concludes our opening remarks and we look forward to answering any questions you may have. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer Our first question comes from Bret Jordan with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Brett. Hey, just

Speaker 3

sort of an economic backdrop question and I guess maybe as it relates to customer pay service or powersports, did you see anything notable as the quarter progressed as far as consumer deferral on the service side or retail traffic or conversion in powersports? Really sort of a macro question.

Speaker 2

Not at all. This is Jeff, not at all. As a matter of fact, on powersports, it continued to get stronger as quarter went on and that continues in July August. It means season for powersports now and with the rally going on, we are jam packed in terms of customers coming through the rally.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then on new unit GPU, I think you're talking about the settling point of 2,500 to 3,000 at some point next year. Is the cadence of softening slowing just as a result of a slowing inventory build? I guess I think you did a bit better than we were expecting on front end GPUs in new this quarter. Sort of what do you attribute the recent stability to?

Speaker 1

I mean, some of

Speaker 2

that is mix driven. Toyota margins are still good. They've got a 15 day supply of product on the ground and that brand is just on fire. But quite honestly, it's a tale of 2 cities, because you've got other brands, Stellantis, Nissan, some of these brands are 100, 200 day supply of product out there that are just ridiculous, that we're fighting against in terms of managing age, which reduces the front end PUR. But we should settle in, in that 2,005 100 to 3,000 number.

Speaker 2

I think we'll exit the year at 3,000 maybe a little bit better. And some of that's just mix driven. There's more incentives right now. Highline incentives are out there. I expect that to get even more aggressive in the Q3 and Q4, especially as the manufacturers try to balance out some of this bev electric vehicle inventory that they're trying to reduce day supply on.

Speaker 2

And we're starting to see some really, really aggressive Mercedes Benz just got super aggressive on incentives this last couple of days. So it ought to be a big, big Mercedes month and quarter.

Speaker 1

And this is Steve.

Speaker 3

Thank you, really. Appreciate the color.

Speaker 4

If you look at Q2, the degradation in the front end GPU was the lowest year over year since December of 2022 and sequentially since December of 2022. So we do see the cadence is slowing based on Q2's data.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Rajat Gupta with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I just had like 2 or 3 ones. In the slide deck, you highlighted the chart on less than 5 year old supply of used cars

Speaker 1

and it makes a ton of sense.

Speaker 5

In the past, I think you've mentioned that you feel confident navigating these supply challenges as it relates to EchoPark. So just curious, I mean, because you have that slide there and then the chart pretty explicit, How should we think about EchoPark volumes in 2025? Should we expect it to drop year over year because of the supply challenges or the pace of share gains that you're seeing would help offset that? Any color you can give us on 2025 in context of that supply would be helpful. And I have a quick follow-up.

Speaker 5

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Well, this is something we talk about a lot. It's interesting that you asked this question because we're just talking about the new vehicle day supply as we that's actually going to benefit EchoPark greatly.

Speaker 2

If you look at the amount of new car inventory that's out there today, that just defines that there is going to be plenty of pre owned inventory as we move into 'twenty five. We are expecting better volumes. We can buy for the 17 existing EchoPark stores pretty easily right now. That's not a problem. And I think you're seeing 5,500 to 6,000 cars a month.

Speaker 2

As the prices continue to drop,

Speaker 1

I think that group of

Speaker 2

stores can do 85 cars a month. So that's 500 or so units per store, which is kind of where we were kind of the low end of where we were on kind of per rooftop basis prior to COVID. That's important

Speaker 1

to note that we've actually achieved that before.

Speaker 2

Yes. So we were in the 550 range and I think we'll get back to that with this group

Speaker 1

of stores. And as we begin to approach that, then you'll see us begin to

Speaker 2

look at opportunities to continue to begin to open stores again and grow the brand. We're waiting patiently because I'd like to see the average cost per unit drop another $1,000 $1500 but that's coming with the day supplies. The manufacturers can't help themselves. We didn't learn a lesson in COVID. I wish we would have.

Speaker 2

It had been a lot better for the industry overall, but they didn't and you've got manufacturers out there that have just totally lost control of their day supply, and it's going to cost them big time in terms of incentives. The winner here is the consumer. They pay a lot less for a vehicle over time. And that's going to trickle down into the pre owned side of the business. There's going to be plenty of inventory.

Speaker 2

We're not concerned at all with being able to supply EchoPark and to our franchise stores as we move forward into 'twenty five. It gives the picture is getting better, not getting worse as we watch new car inventories grow in the marketplace.

Speaker 4

Yes, I think also just to add, this is Heath, is that I think we've done a better job of buying cars off the street. So we're not so dependent on the on wholesaling.

Speaker 5

And we

Speaker 4

also we don't have the rental cars in the auction lanes any longer. So it makes a lot easier to get enough vehicles to staff that EchoPark.

Speaker 5

Got it. That's clear. And did you quantify like the CDK impact on EchoPark volumes in the quarter? Is there any way to like judge that?

Speaker 1

Yes. So kind of overall, it's about 500 units

Speaker 2

or so for the EchoPark brand and about 3,000 units new and used, 1500 piece on the franchise side.

Speaker 6

Got it. Just one quick follow-up on

Speaker 5

the F and I. What's driving this continued pickup there? Is it attach rate? And specifically on EchoPark, I mean, is it the attach rate that's going up? Is there like some price increases on the products itself?

Speaker 5

I know like CarMax recently raised prices for their MaxCare products. I was just curious like if you could like help us bridge that a little more? Thanks.

Speaker 2

It's product penetration and that's just it. We're selling more warranties, selling more products per car. Our team is executing at a very high level and that makes a big difference in terms of our performance on the back end.

Speaker 5

Got it. Great. Thanks for all the color. I'll jump back in queue.

Speaker 1

I think again, this is David. I think I noted on the opening remarks about being number 1, EchoPark team is number 1 in the pre owned market and guest experience. And when you're offering that kind of world class guest experience, that's certainly going to contribute to that

Speaker 5

GPU. Got it. Great. Thanks for the color and good luck.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Murphy with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Good morning, guys. This is Billy Healy on for John.

Speaker 1

Good morning.

Speaker 6

So I just wanted to ask you guys, if you can talk to what you're seeing on the overall health of the consumer and new vehicle demand? And what have the trends been in terms of like mix and trim levels? And what do you expect for new vehicle pricing for the rest of the year?

Speaker 1

Thanks. This is Jeff Dykes. So, with the

Speaker 2

day supply going up, pricing is going to come down and sales are going to get better, so better for the consumer. Mix is good. I mean, there's just tons of inventory. And you look at our Chrysler brand, north of a 200 day supply, a Nissan brand around 100 day supply, which is just absurd for the industry. But I think, like I said earlier, the consumer wins here.

Speaker 2

The import brands are doing a very, very good job of controlling their inventory. Toyota is in really great shape for us around 15 days. Honda sitting between 30 40 days. Hyundai in the 50 day range. Subaru in the 30 day supply range.

Speaker 2

So they're doing a really, really good job. The high lines are fighting a

Speaker 1

little bit. I mean, there are a

Speaker 2

couple that are out there that are a little higher. Mercedes is running in the upper 80 day supply range, 90 day supply. BMW is doing a great job keeping their day supply low. Audi sitting at a higher day supply with new mix coming in here hopefully towards the end of the year, Q1. But overall, we're sitting at a 60 some odd day supply of new vehicles and the inventory is very healthy obviously with that amount of cars on the ground.

Speaker 2

Bev mix is going to get a little bit better. I think as the year goes on, manufacturers are really starting to move towards eliminating some of their day supply of electric vehicles, which is great. We're sitting at some 14, 15, maybe close to 20 day supply on electric vehicles across the board. And I expect that to continue to drop off and to really sort of meet demand. So I think the manufacturers in the industry learned a big lesson over producing a lot of electric vehicles when the consumer demand was not there, obviously higher on the West Coast, higher on the coasts, but not in the middle of the country.

Speaker 2

So I think that rightsizes between now and the end of the year, which is great. And hopefully, the manufacturers get a big wake up call with some of the incentive dollars that they're going to have to spend between now and the end of the year to right size some of the manufacturers to right size their inventory. Again, Toyota, Honda, those guys do a fantastic job in managing day supply. So, I think it's a bright picture between now and the end of the year. I think there's going to be front end margin pressure along with margin pressure at the manufacturer level to reduce inventory levels.

Speaker 2

And hopefully, they can look back and say, we really did learn a good lesson during COVID. We need to control our inventory better than what they've been controlling it over the last quarter or 2, because it's in many, many cases, it's been just a complete shit show, if you will.

Speaker 6

All right. Thanks.

Operator

We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the floor back over to David Smith for closing comments. Great.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much. Thank you, everyone. We appreciate you and we'll talk to you on the next call. Thanks.

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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