Hudson Technologies Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 6, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Hudson Technologies Second Quarter 20 24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded.

Operator

I will now turn the conference over to your host, Jen Bellodeau. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good evening, and welcome to our conference call to discuss Hudson Technologies' financial results for Q2 2024. On the call today are Brian Coleman, President and Chief Executive Officer and Brian Berteau, Hudson's new Chief Financial Officer. I'll now take a moment to read the Safe Harbor statement. During the course of this conference call, we will make certain forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

All statements that address expectations, opinions or predictions about the future are forward looking statements. Although they reflect our current expectations and are based on our best view of the industry and of our businesses as we see them today, they are not guarantees of future performance. Please understand that these statements involve a number of risks and assumptions. And since those elements can change and in certain cases are not within our control, we would ask that you consider and interpret them in that light. We urge you to review Hudson's most recent Form 10 ks and other subsequent SEC filings for a discussion of the principal risks and uncertainties that affect our business and our performance and of the factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially.

Speaker 1

With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Brian Coleman. Go ahead, Brian.

Speaker 2

Good evening and thank you for joining us. So far, 2024 has a number of long term positive events such as the significant cash flow generation, the anticipated share buyback, the acquisition of USA Refrigerants and the expected final refrigerant management rule, creating the first ever federal mandates for the use of reclaimed refrigerant. Unfortunately, on a short term basis, we've seen downward pricing pressure this sales season. As we move through the 2024 selling season, the landscape has been challenging. In the 2nd quarter, demand for refrigerants were very strong with a 17% increase in volume over last year.

Speaker 2

However, we continue to experience pricing pressure for certain refrigerants, which negatively impacted our revenue and margin performance and outweighing the volume gains. During the Q2, our industry saw an approximate 25% decline in the price of certain refrigerants as compared to the Q2 of 2023 and HFC pricing has decreased by about approximately 6% from the level we discussed when we last spoke on May 1 with pricing levels at about $7.50 per pound today. Given the challenging pricing environment, our margin performance was below our long term target. However, we delivered solid profitability. With our visibility today, if current pricing levels continue through the remainder of 2024 selling season, we would anticipate full year revenue in the range of approximately $240,000,000 to $250,000,000 with full year gross margins of approximately 30%.

Speaker 2

As we outlined last quarter, we anticipated that pricing levels might not rebound as the season progressed. And we noted that last year's strong specific order activity of approximately $20,000,000 would likely not be repeated creating a difficult comparison for this year. While the current pricing situation is disappointing, we've been in the industry a very long time and we believe this pricing dynamic is temporary and does not impact our long term view of Hudson's growth opportunity. As always, we remain focused on the elements of our business that we can control, including our commitment to ensuring that we are meeting the refrigerant needs of our customers and promoting recovery and reclamation as we help bridge the transition underway through current and future refrigerant phase downs. During the quarter, we announced our acquisition of USA Refrigerants, a leading purchaser of recovery refrigerants known for their strong sales organization and expertise in sourcing recovery refrigerant.

Speaker 2

Historically, USA generated average revenues of approximately $20,000,000 per year. The skill set and relationship the USAA team brings, combined with the Hudson's existing customer base, are expected to significantly scale our capabilities around recovery and reclamation. This will allow us to significantly enhance our ability to profitably leverage current and future phase downs of virgin refrigerants and the resulting supply demand imbalance. With the addition of the USA team, Hudson has created a dedicated refrigerant acquisition group focused on acquiring all types of refrigerants from CFCs to HFCs as well as to the latest generation products and we're very excited about the potential contribution of this new group. In the month of June, we on boarded and integrated this business with ours and have set the strategic plan in motion, so that in July and the balance of the year, we should see the benefits of the growth opportunity we expected to achieve as a result of this acquisition, and we welcome the USA team to the Hudson team.

Speaker 2

And as a reminder, as we grow our volumes of reclaimed refrigerant and then when sold, we typically recognize double the gross margins than when we buy and sell newly manufactured refrigerants. Additionally, when we source more recovered refrigerants, we become more self reliant on the supply side of our inventory needs. As we move towards the completion of our 9 month selling season, we will gain better visibility related to the current HSE phase down and where the industry stands in terms of the anticipated supply demand imbalance. We also expect to see the EPA's proposed refrigerant management rule finalized this month, which is an important component of the implementation of certain aspects of the AIM Act. As a reminder, the proposed EPA rule mandates the use of reclaimed refrigerants for certain applications and equipment.

Speaker 2

If the proposed rule is adopted as final, this will be the first time in our industry's history that we have a federal requirement for the mandatory use of reclaimed refrigerants in certain sectors. Additionally, many states have proposals under consideration that would mandate the use of reclaimed refrigerants and certain first mover states have already adopted legislation. California, for example, will implement a mandate for the use of reclaimed refrigerants in state governed facilities beginning in 2025. Furthermore, the EPA's Technology Transition Rule, which was finalized in October 2023, promotes the introduction of lower GWP systems for new construction starting in 2025 as well as a conversion of the current estimated installed base of 125,000,000 HFC and legacy systems over the next 20 years. Hudson can provide any and all types of refrigerant and service any and all types of systems.

Speaker 2

So we are well equipped to support the move to next generation refrigerants and technology. We're optimistic about the legislative environment as it relates to the industry compliance and our ability to assist existing and new customers. Additionally, we are an industry leader in our efforts to support the transition to more effective refrigerant management and environmentally friendly cooling equipment. We are of course a huge proponent for the importance of refrigerant recovery. Because beyond the negative environmental impact of venting, it is also a fact that without recovered gas, you will have no refrigerant source for producing reclaimed refrigerant.

Speaker 2

During the Q2, we attended and presented at various industry conferences to discuss the importance of recovering refrigerant during service calls and the environmental benefits from using Reclaim Refrigerant. We've been at the Data Center World, Service Nation Summits, Linux Vision Techs, 7x24 Exchange and International District Energy. Hudson is widely regarded as an industry thought leader and we're pleased to be actively working to assist the transition as our customers comply with the new regulatory environment. We previously noted the 3 pillars of our capital allocation strategy are business working capital needs, acquisitions and share repurchases. Based on the 2024 Wells Fargo amendment, coupled with the recent approval of a share repurchase program of up to $10,000,000 by the company's Board of Directors, we expect to initiate a share repurchase plan in the coming weeks.

Speaker 2

The timing of which will be based on the plan administrator and the legal guidance. We are committed to strategically deploying capital to drive long term value for our stockholders. We believe that our compelling long term profitability combined with the strength of our balance sheet and cash flows presents an attractive buying opportunity for our stock. The Board's authorization of a share repurchase reflects their confidence in Hudson's long term growth prospects and dedication to stockholder value creation. Given our significantly improved balance sheet over the past few years, we are now able to prioritize investing for growth organically and through acquisitions, while also potentially returning capital to our stockholders through the opportunistic repurchase of stock.

Speaker 2

As one of the largest individual shareholders, I take my responsibility as CEO most seriously. For those that have been long time shareholders, hopefully you will see 2 things, my and our employees' dedication to ensuring the success and growth of our company in a profitable and sustainable way and enhancing shareholder value. All of our actions are done with that intent and I am especially proud of our employees' commitment and dedication. With that said, I'd like to introduce Brian Berteau, who as most of you know recently joined Hudson as CFO. Brian has public company experience through his nearly 20 years with New York Stock Exchange traded Trex, a name you might recognize if you have high quality composite decking at your homes.

Speaker 2

We are very pleased to welcome Brian and look forward to his contributions. Let me turn it over to him. Go ahead, Brian.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Brian, and good evening, everybody. I'm on day 7 as CFO at Hudson Technologies and I'm impressed with what I've seen and learned thus far. I am thrilled to have the opportunity to join this accomplished leadership team and contribute to the company's long term success. As Brian mentioned, I previously spent 20 years at Trex Company, the world's leading manufacturer of wood alternative decking and railing. During my tenure, Trex revenue grew ninefold from $100,000,000 to $900,000,000 and market cap reached $10,000,000,000 I served in a number of senior management roles culminating as Interim President of Trex Commercial Products, a commercial railing product subsidiary purchased by Trex.

Speaker 3

While at Trex, I was instrumental in the company's capital allocation strategy and tactics, which included M and A as well as opportunistic share buybacks. I'm excited to bring my broad operational, financial and strategic leadership experience to Hudson and look forward to collaborating with the leadership team in driving operational excellence and strategic growth. This is a very exciting time to be joining this dynamic company and industry. I look forward to the opportunity to introduce myself and get to know many of you over the coming days. Now I'll turn to our financial review.

Speaker 3

For the Q2 ended June 30, 2024, Hudson recorded revenues of $75,300,000 a 17% decrease compared to revenues of $90,500,000 in the comparable 2023 period. The decrease was primarily related to decreased selling prices for certain refrigerants and lower revenue from the company's DLA contract. These decreases were partially offset by volume increases in refrigerant sales of 17% when compared to the same period of 2023. Gross margin was 30% for the Q2 of 2024 as compared to 41% in the Q2 of 2023 as a result of the previously mentioned depressed year over year market prices. SG and A for the Q2 of 2024 was $9,000,000 compared to $8,300,000 in the comparable 2023 period.

Speaker 3

During the the Q2 of 2024, the company incurred $700,000 of non recurring expenses related, one, to the USA Refrigerants acquisition as well as IT projects. We recorded operating income of $12,800,000 in the Q2 of 2024 compared to operating income of $27,700,000 in the comparable 2023 period. The company's effective tax rate for the Q2 of 2024 was 24.2% compared to 25.3% for the Q2 of 2023. The company recorded net income of $9,600,000 or $0.20 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2024 compared to net income of $19,200,000 or $0.41 per diluted share in the same quarter of 2023. The company strengthened its balance sheet ending the period with no debt.

Speaker 3

And during the 1st 6 months of this year, the company generated $38,800,000 in free cash, excluding the $20,700,000 used to purchase USA refrigerant, leaving $18,100,000 of net free cash flow generation. Our $30,500,000 cash position, coupled with our revolving credit facility availability of $59,000,000 sums to total liquidity of $89,500,000 at June 30, 2024. The strong liquidity positions the company very well to support the operating needs of the business and pursue an opportunistic capital allocation strategy. I will now turn the call back over to Brian.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Brian. Before we go to Q and A, I'd like to reiterate that we believe the current pricing dynamic is temporary and does not impact our long term view for the growth of our company. We remain confident that the phase down of HSCs will ultimately move pricing higher, accelerate reclamation activity and drive enhanced profitability in our business. We believe Hudson's leadership position in the industry, proprietary reclamation technology and longstanding customer relationships leave us well positioned to drive the necessary transition to reclaim refrigerant as virgin supply tightens and the industry adopts new equipment and technologies. Operator, we'll now open the call to questions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer The first question comes from Ryan Sigdahl with Craig Hallum. Please proceed.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon, Brian and Brian. Want to start with volume up 17% in the quarter. Can you break that down, I guess, what really drove that volume increase? And was there any shift between quarters and kind of throughout the summer selling season?

Speaker 2

So Q1, the volume was somewhat flat when we entered this selling season, but really we had strong interest in Q2. Now the 17% as we talked many times before may not be the blended growth relative to the entire 9 month sales season, But we do expect based on the activities we've seen in Q2 and certainly see today that we do think we're going to see growth over last year throughout the balance of the 9 month season in 2024 compared to 2023.

Speaker 4

Good. Then U. S. Department of Commerce has been doing an investigation for the past year. They came out with findings and a termination in July.

Speaker 4

Basically, they're going to enforce duties on HFC blends coming in from China that are further processed in the U. S. Curious your thoughts on that and the potential impact to the HFC market, whether it be pricing and or just general industry dynamics over the next couple of years?

Speaker 2

So we certainly do not like bad actors and bad behavior. And we feel certain companies that are selling refrigerant in the United States do have that propensity. With that said, we would have supported the petitioners in this ITC case ruling with regards to the circumvention findings that the ITC finally reached. Bottom line is, it appears that certain entities would have attempted to bring product in from other countries, claiming that the source of the refrigerant were from those companies when it appears in fact the source was from China. As a consequence, there is a clawback, if you will, of duties that may impose some significant financial burdens on those that may have circumvented the rules.

Speaker 2

We don't know what that impact will be. We certainly don't know when those prior tariffs payments are due, but it could have a significant impact, particularly if someone brought gas in unfairly at a cost disadvantage to those that behave and follow the rules and regulations. So it will be interesting to see what may happen over the next couple of months. But I think over the next couple of months, we'll have an answer.

Speaker 4

Last quick one for me. Within the revised new guidance, how much of revenue is from USA Refrigerants acquisition?

Speaker 2

I'm sorry, say it again in terms of the balance of the year. Right now in the numbers that we disclosed, we would not have put much revenue in those ranges, partly to do with the focus right now for Hudson and the USA team is buying. And we're getting into that buying season relative to year end. Now we're starting to see contractors accumulate gas. And I think we've said before that typically the returns of recovered gas tend to go about 3 months beyond the sales season.

Speaker 2

So what will happen is to the extent that most of their activity are dedicated to buying refrigerant that will go into inventory for sales next year. But certainly, we do have upside to the extent that we do garner more sales over the next particularly 3 months this remainder of the selling season relative to the guidance we provided.

Speaker 4

Helpful. Maybe one clarification on that. As we think about next year, is this just an improved mix of inventory that you'll be selling with, call it, double the gross margin since reclaimed gas? Or do you think this will be incremental volume layered on to kind of current Hudson business?

Speaker 2

We think it's going to be both. We sort of lost, if you will, the 1st two quarters of the nine months or 3 quarter sales season based on the closing date and then the integration. So we definitely feel confident that we're going to get incremental revenue as well as the benefit from higher margins from selling recovered and reclaimed gas.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks guys. Good luck. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Gerry Sweeney with ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Speaker 6

Hey, Brian. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 3

Doing well. Thank you. Doing well. Thanks.

Speaker 6

Just one quick question on pricing and then I'm going to go in a different direction. But curious if pricing has changed since some of the circumvention rules or determinations have

Speaker 2

occurred? Again, the pricing dynamic that we described this evening is where we are today. I don't believe we've seen any material pricing changes in any way directed towards the case. We do believe certain individuals that may have imported the gas and not paid those tariffs will be subject to a fairly significant clawback and we'll have obviously we'll have that cash implications. So how they run their business and how they generate the cash and all that stuff, we're yet to see.

Speaker 6

Got you. Okay. That's fair. Next question, acquisition team that you sort of highlighted with you that you developed the USA Refrigeration acquisition. Can you give a little bit more detail on sort of how and the opportunity and how what they're going to do, how they do it, how that's going to drive increased reclaim activity?

Speaker 2

So think of the USA team and the team has been around for 20 plus years, really good dedicated folks. Think of it that they had limited access to Virgin Supplies. So for them to be able to meet their customer needs, they had to be nearly 100% self reliant on the ability to find and purchase and then process recovered refrigerants. So they're very good at hunting, very good at relationships, relationships relative to payment and timely payment. They have a very strong reputation in the contracted community and we're expecting to bring that expertise to Hudson.

Speaker 2

And then most importantly, apply that expertise to Hudson's customer base, where we feel that we haven't done a sufficient job integrating the buying with the selling and we think their team is really going to help us grow that opportunity as well.

Speaker 6

Got it. And then, third and final question. Obviously, I'm a fan of buyback, especially with the stock at current levels. But at some point, you have a buyback, but you also have an opportunity to buy used gas potentially at a pretty cheap price. What's the dynamic on that or what's the thought process on that?

Speaker 3

So when we look at our free cash flow, we will certainly look first to support the business and the working capital needs. And then we seem to be generating more cash than needed for that. So we are looking at acquisitions and also opportunistic share repurchases. It will be those three pillars. But first and foremost is for the business.

Speaker 3

But fortunately for us, our free cash flow generation is more than what's needed for our business with our strategic growth.

Speaker 6

I mean at some point, would you want to acquire more used gas as opposed to build up working capital or inventory on the used gas side, especially at some point, I'm a fan I'm a believer that the market is going to change, pricing is going to change and there's an opportunity here.

Speaker 2

Yes. Brian expressed it well in that, 1st and foremost, we want to make sure we have sufficient cash to meet our needs and it's mainly working capital needs for inventory. So we're certainly not going to somehow limit our activities there or redirect cash if to the extent we make business decisions that we need more relative to inventory and inventory dollars, and particularly as it relates to dollars spent on buying used gas. With that said, I think we've talked about this a couple of times. We don't believe that our dollars in ending inventory at December 31, 2024 will need to be higher than the dollars $24,000,000 will need to be higher than the dollars at December 31, 2023.

Speaker 2

And so far we're managing the business and that is the outcome thus far. Obviously, if things change, we'll take a look at that. But we don't think the current allocation of capital and the $10,000,000 amount is going to impact anything to do with our ability to buy refrigerants.

Speaker 6

That's fair. I got you. Okay. I appreciate that. I'll pass back in queue.

Operator

The next question comes from Josh Nichols with B. Riley. Please proceed.

Speaker 7

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. A couple of the things I had already asked, but I'm just

Speaker 2

kind of

Speaker 7

curious where prices shake out whenever you look at like the company's inventory levels today. Obviously, you have a couple types of refrigerants in there. But generally, for HFCs, like what ballpark is the average price that you guys have for the inventory level? I'm just trying to think of the upside opportunity in the next selling season if prices start to kind of normalize and what that could mean for margins relative to that 30% level you talked about for this year based on $7.50 a pound?

Speaker 2

Yes. So Josh, we'll not provide that granularity as we talked many times, we're the only public company in the refrigerant space. But when you go back to the earnings call for Q1, what we talked about is we believe that as we're selling product in the 2024 season, we're pulling from higher FIFO layers on a cost basis than we anticipate next year. So we do not believe the price of refrigerants are going to remain the same in 2025 as they are in 2024. But if they did just on a cost basis and FIFO inventory basis, we should have higher margins as a result of a lower cost basis entering the 2025 year.

Speaker 7

Fair enough. Appreciate the context there. And then I'm looking here, I'm kind of curious, I don't think you mentioned it specifically on the call, but looking at the DLA contract, what was the DLA contract revenue in 2Q of this year relative to last year just for context for the year over year decline?

Speaker 2

It wasn't quite $5,000,000 lower. It was actually about 4.2 I think lower. So we've made up a little bit of ground relative to that $20,000,000 But right now assume we're at a run rate as we talked about in that low $30,000,000 range based on our anticipation. But as we said before, because there isn't a backlog and a log lead time, it's still possible there could be some procurement of products similar to what they did last year.

Speaker 7

Appreciate it. Last question for me, digging into the weeds a little bit. You did say there was some one time expenses. Was that like $700,000 related to USA refrigerants and something else? So presumably, if that's in SG and A, SG and A is going to dip back down to close to around like the $8,000,000 level in 3Q because I know it wasn't backed out of any of the company's pro form a earnings because just report GAAP?

Speaker 3

Yes, we would expect that. So SG and A excluding the USA Refrigerant acquisition plus some investments in IT to support the growth of the organization. Aside from those 2, SG and A is very comparable to last year and we would expect that to continue.

Speaker 6

Appreciate the context. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Josh.

Operator

Okay. The next question comes from Austin Moeller from Canaccord. Please proceed.

Speaker 5

Hi, good afternoon, Brian and Brian. Just my first question here, has the DOA signaled anything about their forward purchasing activity in Q3 and Q4? I know you have some optimism that they could ramp that up in the second half.

Speaker 2

It doesn't quite work that way. It really we could get orders in and fulfill it in a matter of days. There isn't much of a dialogue. There's so many different places within the DoD that could procure under this contract that you wouldn't necessarily know who's considering what buys when. That's why it's very difficult to predict.

Speaker 2

But to be clear, as it relates to the buying that occurred last year, they are active NSN numbers. And therefore, it doesn't mean that they can't buy. It's just that based on the volume and activity we saw last year and we saw it ending in Q4 of last year and not reoccur, it doesn't mean it can't. We just don't want to guarantee or state that it will. But if those orders come, we will be able to fulfill them and we'll be able to fulfill them on a timely basis.

Speaker 2

Great.

Speaker 5

And just a follow-up. What are you hearing in the market from your customers and other suppliers in terms of the burn down of the existing HFC stockpile that was created? Do you anticipate that it will be fully expended by the next cooling season?

Speaker 2

We will get much more visibility about the answer to that question when the EPA reports the 2023 inventory data. We want to see what the relative relationship is of the movement of the inventory data between December 31, 2022 2023. We believe that this year's cooling season has been quite strong as indicated certainly by our volume increases. And we would believe to the extent that there was a decline between 2022 and 2023 that there would be a greater decline between 2023 2024. So we're really wanting to wait for that data point.

Speaker 2

And that kind of goes back to the 3 things that are going to occur shortly that will make us comfortable to talk about the future. How do we end the season on pricing? What is the EPA's final refrigerant management rule look like? And what does the 2023 inventory data look like? All three of those pieces of the puzzle should be available to us to be able to discuss at the Q3 earnings call.

Speaker 5

Excellent. That's very helpful in framing it. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you. We have reached

Operator

the end of the question and answer session. And I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator. I'd like to thank our employees for their continued support and dedication to our business and both our long time shareholders and those that have recently joined us for their support. We look forward to speaking with you after the Q3 results. Have a good night everybody. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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