NASDAQ:SUPN Supernus Pharmaceuticals Q2 2024 Earnings Report $32.22 +0.87 (+2.78%) Closing price 04/25/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$31.57 -0.65 (-2.00%) As of 04/25/2025 07:57 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Supernus Pharmaceuticals EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.36Consensus EPS $0.39Beat/MissMissed by -$0.03One Year Ago EPS-$0.02Supernus Pharmaceuticals Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$168.30 millionExpected Revenue$148.83 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$19.47 millionYoY Revenue Growth+24.10%Supernus Pharmaceuticals Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/6/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, August 6, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsSupernus Pharmaceuticals' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Supernus Pharmaceuticals Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 6, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to the Supernus Pharmaceuticals Second Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:19I would now like to turn the conference over to Peter Vozzo of ICR Westwick, Investor Relations representative for Supernus Pharmaceuticals. You may begin now. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, Corinne. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Supernus Pharmaceuticals' Q2 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. Today, after the close of the market, the company issued a press release announcing these results. On the call with me today are Supernus' Chief Executive Officer, Jack Attar and Chief Financial Officer, Tim Dett. Today's call is being made available via the Investor Relations section of the company's website at ir. Speaker 100:00:57Supernus.com. During the course of this call, management may make certain forward looking statements regarding future events and the company's future performance. These forward looking statements reflect Purnus' current perspective on existing trends and information. Any such forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in the Risk Factors section of the company's latest SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:26For the benefit of those of you who may be listening to the replay, this call is being held and recorded on August 6, 2024. Since then, the company may have made additional announcements related to the topics discussed. These reference the company's most recent press releases and current filings with the SEC. Supernus declined any obligation to update these forward looking statements, except as required by applicable securities laws. I'll now turn the call over to Jack. Speaker 200:01:53Thank you, Peter. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for taking the time to join us on today's call. In the Q2 of 2024, we delivered strong net sales growth from our key growth drivers, Calvary and GOCOVRI, and continue to advance our product pipeline, including SPN-eight seventeen for treatment resistant seizures and SPN-eight twenty for depression. Total revenues excluding Fokendi XR and Oxtellar XR increased 32% in the 2nd quarter. Driving this growth was Calvary's strong performance with 26% growth in prescriptions as reported by IQVIA and 92% growth in net sales. Speaker 200:02:35Prescriptions reached an all time quarterly high of 184,342 and net sales were $59,000,000 In the 1st 6 months of 2024, Telgi prescriptions grew by 28% compared to same period last year and net sales were $105,000,000 representing an 84% growth over the same period last year. Growth in net sales of Calgary in the Q2 of 2024 benefited from both prescription growth and gross to net improvements compared to the same period last year. Gross to net deductions during the Q2 of this year were below our target range of 50% to 55%. We saw more favorable product returns trend with initial launch batches experiencing lower return rates than assumed and continued lower copay deductions in the quarter. As a result, for the remainder of 2024, we expect the gross to net for Calvary to be in the 45% to 50% range with fluctuations that we would typically expect on a quarterly basis. Speaker 200:03:45During the Q2, Calvary also expanded its base of prescribers ending the quarter with approximately 28,326 prescribers, up from 27,138 in the Q1 of this year. Prescriptions from adult patients now account for approximately 32% of Galbi's total prescriptions. Switching now to GOCOVRI. Net sales increased to $32,000,000 in the Q2 of 2024, representing a healthy increase of 10% over the same period in 2023 and reflecting recovery from some of the negative factors the brand faced in the Q1 of 2024. As you recall, earlier this year, we saw a significant increase in sample distribution by physicians to patients to help them through their out of pocket expenses in the Q1. Speaker 200:04:40This negatively impacted our prescriptions in the Q1, but reversed in the Q2 as patients started transitioning from their samples to refilling their prescriptions. Switching to our legacy products, Oxtellar XR net sales for Q2 of 2024 were $30,000,000 compared to $24,000,000 in the Q2 of last year. And for Trokendi XR, 2nd quarter net sales were $17,000,000 down by 12% from the same quarter last year. For the 1st 6 months of 2024, net sales of Trokendi XR were down 39%. We expect further erosion in Trokendi XR sales and the entry of Oxtellar XR generics later this year. Speaker 200:05:27Given the trends in the first half of twenty twenty four, we now anticipate combined net sales of Trokendi XR and Oxtellar XR in 2024 to be in the range of $135,000,000 to 145,000,000 Regarding SPN830, we resubmitted the NDA last week and expect to learn from the FDA in a few weeks whether this submission will be considered as a Class I requiring a 2 months review or Class II requiring a 6 months review. We remain committed to Parkinson's patients who need this potential new treatment option. Moving on to our CNS pipeline of novel product candidates, we have exciting catalysts coming up in the next 6 to 12 months. For 820, the company expects to provide data from its Phase 2b study in adults with treatment resistant depression in the first half of twenty twenty five. Three quarters of the targeted number of patients are now enrolled in the study. Speaker 200:06:30Also enrollment in the Phase 2 open label study in patients with major depressive disorder is ongoing and top line results from that study are expected by the end of this year. In May 2024, we announced data from the planned interim analysis of our exploratory open label Phase 2a study of SPN-eight seventeen for treatment resistant seizures. The interim analysis was based on 41 enrolled subjects of which 19 completed the maintenance period at that time. We continue to expect top line results for the full study in the second half of this year. In addition, the Phase 2b randomized double blind placebo controlled study with SPN-eight seventeen in patients with treatment resistant focal seizures is expected to start by the end of 2024. Speaker 200:07:24Also, we plan to initiate a Phase 1 single dose study of SPN-four forty three in healthy adults following submission of an IND. SPN-four forty 3 is our new stimulant like product candidate for ADHD and other CNS disorders. Finally, we remain active in corporate development looking for strategic opportunities to further strengthen our future growth and need of the position in CNS. With that, I will now turn the call over to Tim. Speaker 300:07:56Thank you, Jack. Good afternoon, everyone. As I review our Q2 2024 results, please refer to today's press release and 10 Q that were filed earlier today. Total revenue for the Q2 of 2024 was $168,300,000 compared to $135,500,000 in the same quarter last year. Total revenue in the Q2 of 2024 was comprised of net product sales of $162,500,000 and royalty, licensing and other revenues of $5,800,000 The increase in net product sales was primarily due to the increase in net product sales of our growth products, Calvary and GOCOVRI as well as Oxtellar XR. Speaker 300:08:43Excluding net product sales of Trokendi XR and Oxtellar XR, total revenues for the Q2 of 2024 increased 32% compared to the same quarter last year. For the Q2 of 2024, combined R and D and SG and A expenses were $112,100,000 as compared to $111,200,000 for the same quarter last year. The slight increase was primarily due to R and D spend associated with clinical programs for SBN 817 and SBN 820 as we continue to progress our pipeline. Operating earnings on a GAAP basis for the Q2 of 2024 was $22,600,000 as compared to an operating loss of $17,600,000 for the same quarter last year. Income tax expense in the Q2 of 2024 was $6,400,000 GAAP net earnings was $19,900,000 for the Q2 of 2024 or 0.36 dollars per diluted share compared to a GAAP net loss of $831,000 or $0.02 loss per diluted share in the same quarter last year. Speaker 300:09:58On a non GAAP basis, which excludes amortization of intangibles, share based compensation, contingent consideration and depreciation, adjusted operating earnings for the Q2 of 2024 was 40 $5,500,000 compared to $10,000,000 in the same quarter last year. Total revenues for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 were $312,000,000 compared to $289,300,000 in the same period last year. Total revenues were comprised of net product sales of $301,000,000 and royalties licensing and other revenue of 11,000,000 dollars Compared to Q2 2024 results, the 12% increase in net product sales was primarily due to the increase in net product sales of Kelvry, GOCOVRI and Oxtellar XR. Excluding net product sales of Trokendi XR and Oxtellar XR, total revenues for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 increased 22% compared to the same period last year. Combined R and D and SG and A expenses for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 were $223,500,000 as compared to $218,000,000 for the same period last year. Speaker 300:11:16Again, this increase was primarily due to R and D expenses associated with clinical programs for SBN-eight seventeen and SBN 820 as we continue to progress our pipeline. Operating earnings on a GAAP basis for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 were $19,400,000 as compared to an operating loss of $12,400,000 for the same period last year. That is a $31,800,000 increase in operating earnings compared to the same period last year. For the 6 months ended June 30, 2024, we reported income tax expense of 6,500,000 dollars GAAP net earnings were $20,000,000 for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 or $0.36 per diluted share compared to $16,100,000 or $0.29 per diluted share in the same period last year. On a non GAAP basis, which again excludes amortization intangibles, share based comp, contingent consideration and depreciation, adjusted operating earnings were $67,700,000 compared to $40,500,000 in the same period last year. Speaker 300:12:26That is a 67% increase in adjusted operating earnings compared to the same period last year. As of June 30, 2024, the company had approximately $347,200,000 in cash, cash equivalents and current and long term marketable securities, compared to $271,500,000 as of December 31, 2023. This increase was primarily due to cash generated from operations. It should be noted that we have generated approximately $200,000,000 in cash from operations in the past 18 months. Because of that, the company has a strong balance sheet with no debt with significant financial flexibility for potential M and A and other growth opportunities. Speaker 300:13:15Now turning to guidance. For full year 2024, the company raises its financial guidance for total revenue and GAAP and non GAAP operating earnings, while reiterating combined R and D and SG and A expenses. As a result, we expect total revenue to range from $600,000,000 to $625,000,000 up from the previous range of 580 $1,000,000 to $620,000,000 comprised of net product sales, royalties, licensing and other revenue. For the full year 2024, we expect combined R and D and SG and A expenses to range from $430,000,000 to 460,000,000 dollars Overall, we expect full year 2024 GAAP operating earnings to range from breakeven to 20,000,000 dollars and non GAAP operating earnings to range from $100,000,000 to 125,000,000 dollars Please refer to the earnings press release issued prior to this call that identifies the various ranges of reconciling items between GAAP and non GAAP. With that, I will now turn the call back over to the operator for Q and A. Operator00:14:31Thank you. At this time, we will now conduct a question and answer session. Our next question comes from Andrew Tsai of Jefferies. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:15:02Hi, good afternoon. Congrats on a nice quarter. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is on SPN830, the April morphine pump. Congrats on resubmitting that. Speaker 400:15:13Just wanted to gauge your level of confidence it will be approved this time. It's kind of interesting since we know the competitor also received a CR recently. So maybe talk about your level of confidence about this? Thanks. Speaker 200:15:28Yes, sure. Speaker 100:15:31A couple Speaker 200:15:32of things. I mean, the first time we got a CRL, I try to give the example, it probably was a few pages. This time we got the CRL that was maybe half a page, give or take, just to make an example of the number of issues we're dealing with. So certainly, with this resubmission, the number of issues we're dealing with was much lower number of items and issues that we have to address. The second thing is we did have a meeting with the FDA before the resubmission to make sure we have the fullest level of confidence before we resubmit. Speaker 200:16:10So we feel pretty good about the filing right now and our chances of getting approved. Of course, as I mentioned in our remarks, so what we're still not sure about is whether it will be a Class I or Class II resubmission, but hopefully we'll have that piece of information in the next few weeks when the FDA accepts the filing and assigns a PDUFA date for the review. Speaker 400:16:34Makes sense. Thanks. And shifting to 817, we're going to have the full Phase IIa data cut later this year. Can you remind us, I think, 19 of 41 patients completed the maintenance period. How many more patients do you think will be completing that maintenance period? Speaker 400:16:53And how many more specifically at the 3 to 4 milligram dose, the high doses? Speaker 200:17:02Yes. At that time, back in May, when we reported the interim results, in addition to the 19, we had about 7 or 8, if I remember the number correctly, of patients who are still in the study at various stages. So we would expect when we report the full results to have at least another maybe, I don't know, 5, 6 depending on how many discontinue or how many stay in all the stages of the study. We should have a good handful of people in addition to the 19 that we will report on. So that's that will complete the initial portion of the study, just to clarify. Speaker 200:17:44The second portion was the extension, which we talked about back in May, where we are going to test couple of strategies. One of them is adding an anti hematics where we try to address the nausea and so forth. So that portion of the study, it has already started, but we won't have data in the Q4 or before year end for this year, just to clarify that. There are 2 different pieces of the study, the initial one, which we will report on, but the extension, which we added in May, we will not have the data to report on that. Speaker 400:18:24Okay. And then last one is on 820, the depression asset, you're having pulsatile data in 40 patients with MDD later this year. Can you just remind us how long this study is and what kind of MADRS or HAMDI efficacy benefit you want to see at the end of the study? What would be positive data to you and why? Thank you. Speaker 200:18:47Yes. I mean, this is a short study. I think it's about 10 days treatment, so it's not a very long study. It is open label, about 40 patients that we are targeting. So we think we have a very good chance we will be able to report before year end. Speaker 200:19:04And as far as I mean the number of or the reduction in the scales and what would we expect, of course, the larger the better, especially that it is open label. So we would hope to see certainly a large improvement on mattress versus if it were a placebo controlled. Speaker 400:19:24Thanks again. Operator00:19:27Thank you. Our next question comes from David Amsellem of Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:40Thanks. Couple of questions on, Calvary. So with the back to school season coming up, help us understand your expectations for acceleration in volumes, particularly with the different gross to net framework that you've been talking about? And also in the context of, I believe, last back to school season, the Rx growth was or acceleration was a bit muted. So help us understand how you're thinking about this year's back to school season. Speaker 500:20:16That's number 1. And then number 2, is the how much of the growth through the back half of the year is the year on year growth is volumes? And how much of it is improvement in gross to net and just help us better understand how we should be thinking about Calbri? In other words, what I guess I'm trying to get at is, is Calbri a volume growth product going forward or is a lot of the growth that's being captured is really just a function of improved economics. So that just has been implied to this applied to this year, but also how you're thinking about the product beyond this year? Speaker 500:21:02Thanks. Speaker 300:21:04Yes. I mean, as Speaker 200:21:05an overall comment on the prescription growth of Calvary, I mean, as we mentioned in the first half, we grew by about 28%. So we continue to expect to have robust growth in prescriptions versus last year. As far as specifically the back to school seasons, you're absolutely right. Last year, overall, the market, the ADHD market, there was a much softer back to school season than normally we would see. And actually, looking at year to date ADHD market growth, this year so far it's up 8% in 2024 year to date in the first half of this year versus 2023. Speaker 200:21:50And if you might remember, the ADHD market grew only by 3 percent in 2023 in total. So this year already is showing a recovery in the market, in the overall market in general, least in the first half of twenty twenty four at a much higher growth rate than last year. So I'm hoping that the back to school season would be back to what normal growth would be versus what happened in 2023. I mean, in 2023, we actually saw some decline actually in the ADHD market. With the measurement that we talked about it back then, which was June through September, it was not necessarily a calendar quarter to get a better feel for what school season. Speaker 200:22:45So I'm hoping that the market does better and of course that means we will also do better than we did last year as far as the growth. But the short answer, I mean, to your question is the growth in Calgary is not just improvement in gross to net. Certainly, we continue to have robust growth. I mean, we're already in year 4 as far as the launch of this product, and we're still delivering 20% plus growth in prescriptions. And from a penetration perspective, we still have a lot of room to go here as far as the potential of this product and its penetration in the market, adult and pediatric at the same time. Speaker 200:23:28Hopefully, that touches on all the questions. Speaker 500:23:31Yes. And if I just make sneak in a quick follow-up, the gross to net, I mean, it's getting below 50%, I mean, which is better than what you had cited as a target in the past. I mean, is that 45% to 50%, and just to be clear, that's your view of steady state gross to net over the long term for the product? Or and maybe I'll ask it differently, Is there room for even further improvement? Speaker 200:24:03Yes. I mean, what I referred to in my prepared remarks, which the issue of return, just to explain it a little bit more. Typically, when you first launch a product, you make an assumption on how much of these initial batches that you ship out, how much of those could potentially come back at some point from a return perspective. And you book it, you enter in your books as far as potential liability accruals, what have you on lease returns. And then as time goes on, these batches, they will either be consumed or they expire because time goes on and they have a certain fixed expiration date. Speaker 200:24:44So as they approach or go beyond the expiration date, basically they're not going to be returned anymore. Or if you do have much lower experience from a return perspective versus the initial assumption, that's when you can take back some of that. So these are things that could potentially continue that way. I mean, there is a possibility we continue to benefit from that trend in the next quarter or so. So it may not be a one time, but we can only see that when we get the data every quarter. Speaker 200:25:18And therefore, back to your question on an ongoing basis, would the target be 45 to 50? I sure hope so. I mean, I sure hope that next quarter gives us even more confidence. And in that case, we will emphasize or confirm that that probably is our long term target versus the 50% to 55%. Speaker 500:25:40Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Operator00:25:45Thank you. Our next question comes from Stacy Ku of TD Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:25:53Wonderful. Thanks so much for taking our questions. What a great quarter for Calabrio and just a solid net value for prescription. So we have a few follow ups. Just for Q1, can you just talk a little bit more about what approach you're trying to do to grab share in the back in school season? Speaker 600:26:10So just to clarify, you said the next quarter or so you could see a benefit in gross to nets, but do you think any of these back to school plans could impact the gross to nets in Q3? So this is the first question. And then, to ask the question a little bit differently, how do you think about your comfort with the $200,000,000 $220,000,000 consensus rates for Calvria that you've kind of commented on in the past? Could this be exceeded as we think about just solid gross to net improvements? And then last question is on the adult growth. Speaker 600:26:40You talked about 32% split, but is this driving the net pricing? Are you seeing kind of encouraging growth? And how should we think about the remainder of the year as you think about really trying to drive that adult launch as well? Thank you so much. Speaker 200:26:56Yes. On the first question as far as the back to school programs, I mean, it's fairly intense as far as the level of support that we will be going out with and the momentum that we will be building and are building actually as we speak right now in preparation for the back to school season. So we will put a lot of investment and effort behind the season given the importance of the season for the whole year for the brand in general. At the same time, we're not neglecting the adult segment. Again, a portion of the business, of course, in Q3, but the top priority is clearly children and pediatric because of the back to school. Speaker 200:27:42As far as the annual, so to speak, soft guidance or whichever way you want to describe it, 200 to 220. I mean, clearly, in the 1st 6 months, we did 104.5 or 105. Double that is 210 and of course, you got to add some growth to it. So clearly, we feel comfortable with that range. Is it going to be a little bit closer to the upper range? Speaker 200:28:10Hopefully, again, it all depends on the back to school season, which was a lot of what we've been talking about today. The back to school season is really strong this year and not soft like it was last year, maybe we will be closer to the upper end of that range on caliber. And then finally, I mean, in the first in this past quarter, in the second quarter, to give you an idea, adult our adult prescriptions or business grew by about 26%. The pediatric grew by about 22%, 23%. So we had put some more emphasis on the adult patient population in the Q2 as time. Speaker 200:28:54So we are experiencing a little bit more growth in adult, but again, on a quarter to quarter basis, as I mentioned earlier or in previous calls, sometimes we on purpose shift the emphasis one quarter versus another depending on the seasonality and the importance of that specific patient population. Speaker 600:29:15Incredibly helpful. Thank you. Operator00:29:19Thank you. Our next question comes from Annabel Samimy of Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:29:29Hi, thanks for taking my question and great quarter on Calibri. I just want to put a finer point on the adult versus pediatric. To what extent is the adult population driving some of maybe the improved pricing? Obviously, they have higher doses, so potentially higher price point. And given that that's where a good chunk of the growth was and some of your efforts had been lying in that area, can you maybe share some of feedback that you're getting from the adult population? Speaker 700:30:06Is this an area that you can continue to push? And is there any pushback from the adults in terms of whether they're favoring a stimulant versus a non stimulant, they're still transitioning with lower doses than you expected, etcetera, etcetera. I'm just trying to understand why with the growth that you have, why it's still sitting at 32% of your total prescriptions and also with the efforts that you're making last quarter? Thanks. Speaker 200:30:36Yes. Regarding the price points and so forth, I'll just give you a couple of numbers. I mean, these are more gross numbers. But for the adult, I mean, we estimate the average blended cost of prescription is around $600, $6.15 By comparison, it's around $5.25 for pediatrics. So there is about 15%, 17% difference between the price per prescription, pediatric versus adult. Speaker 200:31:09And that actually is obviously a result of the size of the prescription. So with adults, you normally have 50 to 52 tablets per prescription or capsules per prescription. With pediatric, it's more around the 44, 45 capsules per prescription. So these are some of the metrics. That obviously it does change over time quarter to quarter, but that's where we are right now as far as the pediatric versus adult. Speaker 200:31:40As far as the feedback on the adult patient population, I mean, very consistent, fairly consistent with the pediatric about the product, its performance, clinical benefits, all of the above, the tolerability and safety, I mean, very, very consistent across all patient populations with both of them showing the growth and acceptance of the product. And by no means, we have we are even anywhere close to saturation as far as our penetration rates. I mean, our market share in adult is very low, and we have a huge, huge opportunity here for us to continue to push the product. And again, as long as the product continues to perform, we see no reason for it to slow down and try to get a much higher market share penetration within the adult segment. Speaker 700:32:30Got it. And maybe you can just share what your expectations are for the level of penetration you might have in that adult population in your either for the year or for the long term outlook? Is this still going to be a 30% type of well, I mean, is it going to account still for about 32% of your prescriptions? Or do you expect that number to continue to go up through the year? Speaker 200:33:01Yes. I mean, we do expect it to go up eventually, whether through this year or next quarter or the quarter end, but more on a long term basis, definitely, we would expect and we certainly will be working pretty hard to get that portion to be a bigger part of the mix. So will Calvary end up being a 40% adult and 60% pediatric where the market is pretty much 67% adult and 33% pediatric. Probably, I mean, we are a non stimulant anyway in general. So you are going to have some bias of the business being a little bit more pediatric than adult in general, generally speaking. Speaker 200:33:44But certainly, we are pushing pretty hard to get that 32% much higher as being part of the mix. And as far as the adult in general, as I mentioned earlier, I mean, the satisfaction, the performance, everything is very similar to what we're seeing with the pediatrics. So we see no reason why we shouldn't be able to continue to grow within the adult market. At this point, our market share within the adult market is around 0.3% in pediatrics, we're in the 2% give or take. So we continue to look for the whole brand Calvary. Speaker 200:34:26You might remember we talked about somewhere between 4% or 5% market share or could be as high as 10% market share of the total ADHD market. So we clearly have a long way to go here with Calvary. Speaker 700:34:38Okay. Got it. And if I can just ask a quick question on SPN830. I guess this is several times now through the review process. Are there any indications from FDA on the breadth of the population that might be included in the label? Speaker 700:34:56I'm not sure if you ever got to that point where you got to label discussions, but is FDA considering a broader label? Or is it still mostly in the severe camp? Thanks. Speaker 200:35:07Yes. I mean, at this point, it's really premature for us to make any comment on that because we haven't gotten that far as far as discussions. So we really don't know at this point. Speaker 700:35:19Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:35:26Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Jack Khattar for closing remarks. Speaker 200:35:36In concluding our call this afternoon, we thank you for joining us to learn about our strong performance in the second quarter and first half of this year. The company continues to execute remarkably well through a multiyear transition and the loss of exclusivity on 2 of its legacy products. The company has generated strong positive cash flows behind the strength of its portfolio, particularly our growth products and the efficiency of its operations. In addition, we are excited about our progress on the pipeline across several programs. These programs will be generating significant data over the next 6 to 12 months. Speaker 200:36:15Thanks again for joining us this afternoon. We look forward to updating you on our next call. Operator00:36:22Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude our program. 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Email Address About Supernus PharmaceuticalsSupernus Pharmaceuticals (NASDAQ:SUPN), a biopharmaceutical company, focuses on the development and commercialization of products for the treatment of central nervous system (CNS) diseases in the United States. The company's commercial products are Trokendi XR, an extended release topiramate product indicated for the treatment of epilepsy, as well as for the prophylaxis of migraine headache; and Oxtellar XR, an extended release oxcarbazepine for the monotherapy treatment of partial onset seizures in adults and children between 6 to 17 years of age. It also offers comprise Qelbree, a novel non-stimulant indicated for the treatment of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in adults and pediatric patients 6 years and older; APOKYN for the acute intermittent treatment of hypomobility or off episodes in patients with advanced Parkinson's Disease (PD); XADAGO for treating levodopa/carbidopa in patients with PD experiencing off episodes; MYOBLOC, a Type B toxin product indicated for the treatment of cervical dystonia and sialorrhea in adults; GOCOVRI for the treatment of dyskinesia in patients with PD; and Osmolex ER for the treatment of Parkinson's disease and drug-induced extrapyramidal reaction in adult patients. In addition, the company's product candidates include SPN-830, a late-stage drug/device combination product candidate for the treatment of off episodes in PD patients; SPN-817, a novel first-in-class selective acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, which is in Phase II clinical trials for the treatment of epilepsy; SPN-820, a product candidate in Phase II clinical trials for treating resistant depression; SPN-443, a preclinical product for the treatment of ADHD/CNS; and SPN-446 for narcolepsy and SPN-448 for the treatment of CNS which is in discovery stage. It markets and sells its products through pharmaceutical wholesalers, specialty pharmacies, and distributors. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to the Supernus Pharmaceuticals Second Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:19I would now like to turn the conference over to Peter Vozzo of ICR Westwick, Investor Relations representative for Supernus Pharmaceuticals. You may begin now. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, Corinne. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Supernus Pharmaceuticals' Q2 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. Today, after the close of the market, the company issued a press release announcing these results. On the call with me today are Supernus' Chief Executive Officer, Jack Attar and Chief Financial Officer, Tim Dett. Today's call is being made available via the Investor Relations section of the company's website at ir. Speaker 100:00:57Supernus.com. During the course of this call, management may make certain forward looking statements regarding future events and the company's future performance. These forward looking statements reflect Purnus' current perspective on existing trends and information. Any such forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in the Risk Factors section of the company's latest SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:26For the benefit of those of you who may be listening to the replay, this call is being held and recorded on August 6, 2024. Since then, the company may have made additional announcements related to the topics discussed. These reference the company's most recent press releases and current filings with the SEC. Supernus declined any obligation to update these forward looking statements, except as required by applicable securities laws. I'll now turn the call over to Jack. Speaker 200:01:53Thank you, Peter. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for taking the time to join us on today's call. In the Q2 of 2024, we delivered strong net sales growth from our key growth drivers, Calvary and GOCOVRI, and continue to advance our product pipeline, including SPN-eight seventeen for treatment resistant seizures and SPN-eight twenty for depression. Total revenues excluding Fokendi XR and Oxtellar XR increased 32% in the 2nd quarter. Driving this growth was Calvary's strong performance with 26% growth in prescriptions as reported by IQVIA and 92% growth in net sales. Speaker 200:02:35Prescriptions reached an all time quarterly high of 184,342 and net sales were $59,000,000 In the 1st 6 months of 2024, Telgi prescriptions grew by 28% compared to same period last year and net sales were $105,000,000 representing an 84% growth over the same period last year. Growth in net sales of Calgary in the Q2 of 2024 benefited from both prescription growth and gross to net improvements compared to the same period last year. Gross to net deductions during the Q2 of this year were below our target range of 50% to 55%. We saw more favorable product returns trend with initial launch batches experiencing lower return rates than assumed and continued lower copay deductions in the quarter. As a result, for the remainder of 2024, we expect the gross to net for Calvary to be in the 45% to 50% range with fluctuations that we would typically expect on a quarterly basis. Speaker 200:03:45During the Q2, Calvary also expanded its base of prescribers ending the quarter with approximately 28,326 prescribers, up from 27,138 in the Q1 of this year. Prescriptions from adult patients now account for approximately 32% of Galbi's total prescriptions. Switching now to GOCOVRI. Net sales increased to $32,000,000 in the Q2 of 2024, representing a healthy increase of 10% over the same period in 2023 and reflecting recovery from some of the negative factors the brand faced in the Q1 of 2024. As you recall, earlier this year, we saw a significant increase in sample distribution by physicians to patients to help them through their out of pocket expenses in the Q1. Speaker 200:04:40This negatively impacted our prescriptions in the Q1, but reversed in the Q2 as patients started transitioning from their samples to refilling their prescriptions. Switching to our legacy products, Oxtellar XR net sales for Q2 of 2024 were $30,000,000 compared to $24,000,000 in the Q2 of last year. And for Trokendi XR, 2nd quarter net sales were $17,000,000 down by 12% from the same quarter last year. For the 1st 6 months of 2024, net sales of Trokendi XR were down 39%. We expect further erosion in Trokendi XR sales and the entry of Oxtellar XR generics later this year. Speaker 200:05:27Given the trends in the first half of twenty twenty four, we now anticipate combined net sales of Trokendi XR and Oxtellar XR in 2024 to be in the range of $135,000,000 to 145,000,000 Regarding SPN830, we resubmitted the NDA last week and expect to learn from the FDA in a few weeks whether this submission will be considered as a Class I requiring a 2 months review or Class II requiring a 6 months review. We remain committed to Parkinson's patients who need this potential new treatment option. Moving on to our CNS pipeline of novel product candidates, we have exciting catalysts coming up in the next 6 to 12 months. For 820, the company expects to provide data from its Phase 2b study in adults with treatment resistant depression in the first half of twenty twenty five. Three quarters of the targeted number of patients are now enrolled in the study. Speaker 200:06:30Also enrollment in the Phase 2 open label study in patients with major depressive disorder is ongoing and top line results from that study are expected by the end of this year. In May 2024, we announced data from the planned interim analysis of our exploratory open label Phase 2a study of SPN-eight seventeen for treatment resistant seizures. The interim analysis was based on 41 enrolled subjects of which 19 completed the maintenance period at that time. We continue to expect top line results for the full study in the second half of this year. In addition, the Phase 2b randomized double blind placebo controlled study with SPN-eight seventeen in patients with treatment resistant focal seizures is expected to start by the end of 2024. Speaker 200:07:24Also, we plan to initiate a Phase 1 single dose study of SPN-four forty three in healthy adults following submission of an IND. SPN-four forty 3 is our new stimulant like product candidate for ADHD and other CNS disorders. Finally, we remain active in corporate development looking for strategic opportunities to further strengthen our future growth and need of the position in CNS. With that, I will now turn the call over to Tim. Speaker 300:07:56Thank you, Jack. Good afternoon, everyone. As I review our Q2 2024 results, please refer to today's press release and 10 Q that were filed earlier today. Total revenue for the Q2 of 2024 was $168,300,000 compared to $135,500,000 in the same quarter last year. Total revenue in the Q2 of 2024 was comprised of net product sales of $162,500,000 and royalty, licensing and other revenues of $5,800,000 The increase in net product sales was primarily due to the increase in net product sales of our growth products, Calvary and GOCOVRI as well as Oxtellar XR. Speaker 300:08:43Excluding net product sales of Trokendi XR and Oxtellar XR, total revenues for the Q2 of 2024 increased 32% compared to the same quarter last year. For the Q2 of 2024, combined R and D and SG and A expenses were $112,100,000 as compared to $111,200,000 for the same quarter last year. The slight increase was primarily due to R and D spend associated with clinical programs for SBN 817 and SBN 820 as we continue to progress our pipeline. Operating earnings on a GAAP basis for the Q2 of 2024 was $22,600,000 as compared to an operating loss of $17,600,000 for the same quarter last year. Income tax expense in the Q2 of 2024 was $6,400,000 GAAP net earnings was $19,900,000 for the Q2 of 2024 or 0.36 dollars per diluted share compared to a GAAP net loss of $831,000 or $0.02 loss per diluted share in the same quarter last year. Speaker 300:09:58On a non GAAP basis, which excludes amortization of intangibles, share based compensation, contingent consideration and depreciation, adjusted operating earnings for the Q2 of 2024 was 40 $5,500,000 compared to $10,000,000 in the same quarter last year. Total revenues for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 were $312,000,000 compared to $289,300,000 in the same period last year. Total revenues were comprised of net product sales of $301,000,000 and royalties licensing and other revenue of 11,000,000 dollars Compared to Q2 2024 results, the 12% increase in net product sales was primarily due to the increase in net product sales of Kelvry, GOCOVRI and Oxtellar XR. Excluding net product sales of Trokendi XR and Oxtellar XR, total revenues for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 increased 22% compared to the same period last year. Combined R and D and SG and A expenses for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 were $223,500,000 as compared to $218,000,000 for the same period last year. Speaker 300:11:16Again, this increase was primarily due to R and D expenses associated with clinical programs for SBN-eight seventeen and SBN 820 as we continue to progress our pipeline. Operating earnings on a GAAP basis for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 were $19,400,000 as compared to an operating loss of $12,400,000 for the same period last year. That is a $31,800,000 increase in operating earnings compared to the same period last year. For the 6 months ended June 30, 2024, we reported income tax expense of 6,500,000 dollars GAAP net earnings were $20,000,000 for the 6 months ended June 30, 2024 or $0.36 per diluted share compared to $16,100,000 or $0.29 per diluted share in the same period last year. On a non GAAP basis, which again excludes amortization intangibles, share based comp, contingent consideration and depreciation, adjusted operating earnings were $67,700,000 compared to $40,500,000 in the same period last year. Speaker 300:12:26That is a 67% increase in adjusted operating earnings compared to the same period last year. As of June 30, 2024, the company had approximately $347,200,000 in cash, cash equivalents and current and long term marketable securities, compared to $271,500,000 as of December 31, 2023. This increase was primarily due to cash generated from operations. It should be noted that we have generated approximately $200,000,000 in cash from operations in the past 18 months. Because of that, the company has a strong balance sheet with no debt with significant financial flexibility for potential M and A and other growth opportunities. Speaker 300:13:15Now turning to guidance. For full year 2024, the company raises its financial guidance for total revenue and GAAP and non GAAP operating earnings, while reiterating combined R and D and SG and A expenses. As a result, we expect total revenue to range from $600,000,000 to $625,000,000 up from the previous range of 580 $1,000,000 to $620,000,000 comprised of net product sales, royalties, licensing and other revenue. For the full year 2024, we expect combined R and D and SG and A expenses to range from $430,000,000 to 460,000,000 dollars Overall, we expect full year 2024 GAAP operating earnings to range from breakeven to 20,000,000 dollars and non GAAP operating earnings to range from $100,000,000 to 125,000,000 dollars Please refer to the earnings press release issued prior to this call that identifies the various ranges of reconciling items between GAAP and non GAAP. With that, I will now turn the call back over to the operator for Q and A. Operator00:14:31Thank you. At this time, we will now conduct a question and answer session. Our next question comes from Andrew Tsai of Jefferies. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:15:02Hi, good afternoon. Congrats on a nice quarter. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is on SPN830, the April morphine pump. Congrats on resubmitting that. Speaker 400:15:13Just wanted to gauge your level of confidence it will be approved this time. It's kind of interesting since we know the competitor also received a CR recently. So maybe talk about your level of confidence about this? Thanks. Speaker 200:15:28Yes, sure. Speaker 100:15:31A couple Speaker 200:15:32of things. I mean, the first time we got a CRL, I try to give the example, it probably was a few pages. This time we got the CRL that was maybe half a page, give or take, just to make an example of the number of issues we're dealing with. So certainly, with this resubmission, the number of issues we're dealing with was much lower number of items and issues that we have to address. The second thing is we did have a meeting with the FDA before the resubmission to make sure we have the fullest level of confidence before we resubmit. Speaker 200:16:10So we feel pretty good about the filing right now and our chances of getting approved. Of course, as I mentioned in our remarks, so what we're still not sure about is whether it will be a Class I or Class II resubmission, but hopefully we'll have that piece of information in the next few weeks when the FDA accepts the filing and assigns a PDUFA date for the review. Speaker 400:16:34Makes sense. Thanks. And shifting to 817, we're going to have the full Phase IIa data cut later this year. Can you remind us, I think, 19 of 41 patients completed the maintenance period. How many more patients do you think will be completing that maintenance period? Speaker 400:16:53And how many more specifically at the 3 to 4 milligram dose, the high doses? Speaker 200:17:02Yes. At that time, back in May, when we reported the interim results, in addition to the 19, we had about 7 or 8, if I remember the number correctly, of patients who are still in the study at various stages. So we would expect when we report the full results to have at least another maybe, I don't know, 5, 6 depending on how many discontinue or how many stay in all the stages of the study. We should have a good handful of people in addition to the 19 that we will report on. So that's that will complete the initial portion of the study, just to clarify. Speaker 200:17:44The second portion was the extension, which we talked about back in May, where we are going to test couple of strategies. One of them is adding an anti hematics where we try to address the nausea and so forth. So that portion of the study, it has already started, but we won't have data in the Q4 or before year end for this year, just to clarify that. There are 2 different pieces of the study, the initial one, which we will report on, but the extension, which we added in May, we will not have the data to report on that. Speaker 400:18:24Okay. And then last one is on 820, the depression asset, you're having pulsatile data in 40 patients with MDD later this year. Can you just remind us how long this study is and what kind of MADRS or HAMDI efficacy benefit you want to see at the end of the study? What would be positive data to you and why? Thank you. Speaker 200:18:47Yes. I mean, this is a short study. I think it's about 10 days treatment, so it's not a very long study. It is open label, about 40 patients that we are targeting. So we think we have a very good chance we will be able to report before year end. Speaker 200:19:04And as far as I mean the number of or the reduction in the scales and what would we expect, of course, the larger the better, especially that it is open label. So we would hope to see certainly a large improvement on mattress versus if it were a placebo controlled. Speaker 400:19:24Thanks again. Operator00:19:27Thank you. Our next question comes from David Amsellem of Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:40Thanks. Couple of questions on, Calvary. So with the back to school season coming up, help us understand your expectations for acceleration in volumes, particularly with the different gross to net framework that you've been talking about? And also in the context of, I believe, last back to school season, the Rx growth was or acceleration was a bit muted. So help us understand how you're thinking about this year's back to school season. Speaker 500:20:16That's number 1. And then number 2, is the how much of the growth through the back half of the year is the year on year growth is volumes? And how much of it is improvement in gross to net and just help us better understand how we should be thinking about Calbri? In other words, what I guess I'm trying to get at is, is Calbri a volume growth product going forward or is a lot of the growth that's being captured is really just a function of improved economics. So that just has been implied to this applied to this year, but also how you're thinking about the product beyond this year? Speaker 500:21:02Thanks. Speaker 300:21:04Yes. I mean, as Speaker 200:21:05an overall comment on the prescription growth of Calvary, I mean, as we mentioned in the first half, we grew by about 28%. So we continue to expect to have robust growth in prescriptions versus last year. As far as specifically the back to school seasons, you're absolutely right. Last year, overall, the market, the ADHD market, there was a much softer back to school season than normally we would see. And actually, looking at year to date ADHD market growth, this year so far it's up 8% in 2024 year to date in the first half of this year versus 2023. Speaker 200:21:50And if you might remember, the ADHD market grew only by 3 percent in 2023 in total. So this year already is showing a recovery in the market, in the overall market in general, least in the first half of twenty twenty four at a much higher growth rate than last year. So I'm hoping that the back to school season would be back to what normal growth would be versus what happened in 2023. I mean, in 2023, we actually saw some decline actually in the ADHD market. With the measurement that we talked about it back then, which was June through September, it was not necessarily a calendar quarter to get a better feel for what school season. Speaker 200:22:45So I'm hoping that the market does better and of course that means we will also do better than we did last year as far as the growth. But the short answer, I mean, to your question is the growth in Calgary is not just improvement in gross to net. Certainly, we continue to have robust growth. I mean, we're already in year 4 as far as the launch of this product, and we're still delivering 20% plus growth in prescriptions. And from a penetration perspective, we still have a lot of room to go here as far as the potential of this product and its penetration in the market, adult and pediatric at the same time. Speaker 200:23:28Hopefully, that touches on all the questions. Speaker 500:23:31Yes. And if I just make sneak in a quick follow-up, the gross to net, I mean, it's getting below 50%, I mean, which is better than what you had cited as a target in the past. I mean, is that 45% to 50%, and just to be clear, that's your view of steady state gross to net over the long term for the product? Or and maybe I'll ask it differently, Is there room for even further improvement? Speaker 200:24:03Yes. I mean, what I referred to in my prepared remarks, which the issue of return, just to explain it a little bit more. Typically, when you first launch a product, you make an assumption on how much of these initial batches that you ship out, how much of those could potentially come back at some point from a return perspective. And you book it, you enter in your books as far as potential liability accruals, what have you on lease returns. And then as time goes on, these batches, they will either be consumed or they expire because time goes on and they have a certain fixed expiration date. Speaker 200:24:44So as they approach or go beyond the expiration date, basically they're not going to be returned anymore. Or if you do have much lower experience from a return perspective versus the initial assumption, that's when you can take back some of that. So these are things that could potentially continue that way. I mean, there is a possibility we continue to benefit from that trend in the next quarter or so. So it may not be a one time, but we can only see that when we get the data every quarter. Speaker 200:25:18And therefore, back to your question on an ongoing basis, would the target be 45 to 50? I sure hope so. I mean, I sure hope that next quarter gives us even more confidence. And in that case, we will emphasize or confirm that that probably is our long term target versus the 50% to 55%. Speaker 500:25:40Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Operator00:25:45Thank you. Our next question comes from Stacy Ku of TD Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:25:53Wonderful. Thanks so much for taking our questions. What a great quarter for Calabrio and just a solid net value for prescription. So we have a few follow ups. Just for Q1, can you just talk a little bit more about what approach you're trying to do to grab share in the back in school season? Speaker 600:26:10So just to clarify, you said the next quarter or so you could see a benefit in gross to nets, but do you think any of these back to school plans could impact the gross to nets in Q3? So this is the first question. And then, to ask the question a little bit differently, how do you think about your comfort with the $200,000,000 $220,000,000 consensus rates for Calvria that you've kind of commented on in the past? Could this be exceeded as we think about just solid gross to net improvements? And then last question is on the adult growth. Speaker 600:26:40You talked about 32% split, but is this driving the net pricing? Are you seeing kind of encouraging growth? And how should we think about the remainder of the year as you think about really trying to drive that adult launch as well? Thank you so much. Speaker 200:26:56Yes. On the first question as far as the back to school programs, I mean, it's fairly intense as far as the level of support that we will be going out with and the momentum that we will be building and are building actually as we speak right now in preparation for the back to school season. So we will put a lot of investment and effort behind the season given the importance of the season for the whole year for the brand in general. At the same time, we're not neglecting the adult segment. Again, a portion of the business, of course, in Q3, but the top priority is clearly children and pediatric because of the back to school. Speaker 200:27:42As far as the annual, so to speak, soft guidance or whichever way you want to describe it, 200 to 220. I mean, clearly, in the 1st 6 months, we did 104.5 or 105. Double that is 210 and of course, you got to add some growth to it. So clearly, we feel comfortable with that range. Is it going to be a little bit closer to the upper range? Speaker 200:28:10Hopefully, again, it all depends on the back to school season, which was a lot of what we've been talking about today. The back to school season is really strong this year and not soft like it was last year, maybe we will be closer to the upper end of that range on caliber. And then finally, I mean, in the first in this past quarter, in the second quarter, to give you an idea, adult our adult prescriptions or business grew by about 26%. The pediatric grew by about 22%, 23%. So we had put some more emphasis on the adult patient population in the Q2 as time. Speaker 200:28:54So we are experiencing a little bit more growth in adult, but again, on a quarter to quarter basis, as I mentioned earlier or in previous calls, sometimes we on purpose shift the emphasis one quarter versus another depending on the seasonality and the importance of that specific patient population. Speaker 600:29:15Incredibly helpful. Thank you. Operator00:29:19Thank you. Our next question comes from Annabel Samimy of Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:29:29Hi, thanks for taking my question and great quarter on Calibri. I just want to put a finer point on the adult versus pediatric. To what extent is the adult population driving some of maybe the improved pricing? Obviously, they have higher doses, so potentially higher price point. And given that that's where a good chunk of the growth was and some of your efforts had been lying in that area, can you maybe share some of feedback that you're getting from the adult population? Speaker 700:30:06Is this an area that you can continue to push? And is there any pushback from the adults in terms of whether they're favoring a stimulant versus a non stimulant, they're still transitioning with lower doses than you expected, etcetera, etcetera. I'm just trying to understand why with the growth that you have, why it's still sitting at 32% of your total prescriptions and also with the efforts that you're making last quarter? Thanks. Speaker 200:30:36Yes. Regarding the price points and so forth, I'll just give you a couple of numbers. I mean, these are more gross numbers. But for the adult, I mean, we estimate the average blended cost of prescription is around $600, $6.15 By comparison, it's around $5.25 for pediatrics. So there is about 15%, 17% difference between the price per prescription, pediatric versus adult. Speaker 200:31:09And that actually is obviously a result of the size of the prescription. So with adults, you normally have 50 to 52 tablets per prescription or capsules per prescription. With pediatric, it's more around the 44, 45 capsules per prescription. So these are some of the metrics. That obviously it does change over time quarter to quarter, but that's where we are right now as far as the pediatric versus adult. Speaker 200:31:40As far as the feedback on the adult patient population, I mean, very consistent, fairly consistent with the pediatric about the product, its performance, clinical benefits, all of the above, the tolerability and safety, I mean, very, very consistent across all patient populations with both of them showing the growth and acceptance of the product. And by no means, we have we are even anywhere close to saturation as far as our penetration rates. I mean, our market share in adult is very low, and we have a huge, huge opportunity here for us to continue to push the product. And again, as long as the product continues to perform, we see no reason for it to slow down and try to get a much higher market share penetration within the adult segment. Speaker 700:32:30Got it. And maybe you can just share what your expectations are for the level of penetration you might have in that adult population in your either for the year or for the long term outlook? Is this still going to be a 30% type of well, I mean, is it going to account still for about 32% of your prescriptions? Or do you expect that number to continue to go up through the year? Speaker 200:33:01Yes. I mean, we do expect it to go up eventually, whether through this year or next quarter or the quarter end, but more on a long term basis, definitely, we would expect and we certainly will be working pretty hard to get that portion to be a bigger part of the mix. So will Calvary end up being a 40% adult and 60% pediatric where the market is pretty much 67% adult and 33% pediatric. Probably, I mean, we are a non stimulant anyway in general. So you are going to have some bias of the business being a little bit more pediatric than adult in general, generally speaking. Speaker 200:33:44But certainly, we are pushing pretty hard to get that 32% much higher as being part of the mix. And as far as the adult in general, as I mentioned earlier, I mean, the satisfaction, the performance, everything is very similar to what we're seeing with the pediatrics. So we see no reason why we shouldn't be able to continue to grow within the adult market. At this point, our market share within the adult market is around 0.3% in pediatrics, we're in the 2% give or take. So we continue to look for the whole brand Calvary. Speaker 200:34:26You might remember we talked about somewhere between 4% or 5% market share or could be as high as 10% market share of the total ADHD market. So we clearly have a long way to go here with Calvary. Speaker 700:34:38Okay. Got it. And if I can just ask a quick question on SPN830. I guess this is several times now through the review process. Are there any indications from FDA on the breadth of the population that might be included in the label? Speaker 700:34:56I'm not sure if you ever got to that point where you got to label discussions, but is FDA considering a broader label? Or is it still mostly in the severe camp? Thanks. Speaker 200:35:07Yes. I mean, at this point, it's really premature for us to make any comment on that because we haven't gotten that far as far as discussions. So we really don't know at this point. Speaker 700:35:19Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:35:26Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Jack Khattar for closing remarks. Speaker 200:35:36In concluding our call this afternoon, we thank you for joining us to learn about our strong performance in the second quarter and first half of this year. The company continues to execute remarkably well through a multiyear transition and the loss of exclusivity on 2 of its legacy products. The company has generated strong positive cash flows behind the strength of its portfolio, particularly our growth products and the efficiency of its operations. In addition, we are excited about our progress on the pipeline across several programs. These programs will be generating significant data over the next 6 to 12 months. Speaker 200:36:15Thanks again for joining us this afternoon. We look forward to updating you on our next call. Operator00:36:22Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude our program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by