NYSE:OSCR Oscar Health Q2 2024 Earnings Report $12.01 -0.34 (-2.78%) Closing price 04/17/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$12.08 +0.07 (+0.57%) As of 04/17/2025 06:16 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Oscar Health EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.20Consensus EPS $0.16Beat/MissBeat by +$0.04One Year Ago EPS-$0.07Oscar Health Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.20 billionExpected Revenue$2.13 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$67.04 millionYoY Revenue Growth+44.60%Oscar Health Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/7/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, August 7, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsOscar Health's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 7, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Oscar Health Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 7, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. My name is Ellie, and I will be your conference operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Oscar Health's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this call is being recorded. As of right now, everyone is joined on mute, so we can avoid background noise. Operator00:00:20Thank you. I will now turn the conference over to Chris Podichar, Vice President of Treasury and Investor Relations. You may now begin. Speaker 100:00:30Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q2 2024 earnings call. Mark Bertolini, Oscar's Chief Executive Officer Scott Blackley, Oscar's Chief Financial Officer will host this morning's call. This call can also be accessed through our Investor Relations website at ir.hioscar.com. Full details of our results and additional management commentary are available in our earnings release, which can be found on our Investor Relations website atir.hioscar.com. Speaker 100:00:58Any remarks that Oster makes about the future constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of Safe Harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by those forward looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in our quarterly report on Form 10 Q for the period ended March 31, 2024 filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and other filings with the SEC, including our quarterly report on Form 10Q for the quarterly period ended June 30, 2024 to be filed with the SEC. Such forward looking statements are based on current expectations as of today. Oscar anticipates that subsequent events and developments may cause estimates to change. While the company may elect to update these forward looking statements at some point in the future, we specifically disclaim any obligation to do so. Speaker 100:01:52The call will also refer to certain non GAAP measures. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the Q2 earnings press release available on the company's Investor Relations website at ir. Hioscar.com. With that, I would like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mark Bertolini. Speaker 200:02:12Good morning. Thank you, Chris and thank you all for joining us. This morning Oscar reported strong second quarter results, delivering solid performance in the first half of the year. Our positive results were driven by robust membership growth, solid and consistent execution and improved bottom line performance. Underlying our 2nd quarter results, we reported total revenue of $2,200,000,000 in the quarter, an increase of 46% year over year. Speaker 200:02:43We improved our medical loss ratio by 90 basis points year over year to 79%. We achieved total company adjusted EBITDA of $104,100,000 a nearly $69,000,000 improvement versus the prior year. In addition, our first half adjusted EBITDA was $323,000,000 a significant year over year of improvement of $237,000,000 The first half of twenty twenty four is the best 6 months in Oscar's history. Based on our outperformance in the first half of the year, today we raised our full year 2024 revenue guidance by $700,000,000 to a range of $9,000,000,000 to $9,100,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA guidance to a range of $160,000,000 to $210,000,000 In a few moments, Scott will provide a detailed review of our 2nd quarter results and updated 2024 guidance. First, I will share key business highlights that demonstrate strong momentum against the strategic plan we shared with you at our Investor Day. Speaker 200:03:53In June, we outlined our strategy to achieve at least 20% revenue CAGR and 5% operating margin by 2027. We shared our plan to double our footprint in Oscar Insurance, significantly growing our addressable ACA opportunity through existing and new market expansion. We also doubled down on our commitment to introduce innovative products that meet the needs of our increasingly diverse member base. We declared our path diversify Oscar's growth beyond the traditional ACA by building a leading ICRA business. Finally, we reinforced our investment in Oscar's key asset, our technology, which continues to drive superior member experiences, operational efficiencies and affordability. Speaker 200:04:40Our 2nd quarter results increased our confidence in achieving these long term goals. We closed the quarter with approximately 1,600,000 members, a 63% increase year over year. Key growth drivers included strong retention, new membership in existing and expansion markets, and SCP member additions as Medicaid redeterminations continued. Overall utilization was in line with our expectations. We expect SCP member additions to continue into the second half of the year at a decelerated rate as the Medicaid redetermination process is now complete in almost all of Oscar states. Speaker 200:05:21Our strong growth this year lays a solid foundation for 2025 as SEP members that renew become a tailwind to our results. Oscar continues to deepen our market presence. We grew in approximately 80% of our states year over year. We captured more market share by leveraging our deep provider and distribution relationships and winning on experience. We drove more individuals to affordable culturally competent plans based on our deep understanding of the ACA consumer and our ability to personalize engagement through our technology. Speaker 200:05:57Our powerful technology engine continues to give Oscar Insurance a unique market edge, while creating strong outcomes for provider and health plan clients. For example, we introduced several campaigns that guided members to Oscar's virtual urgent care business. Our models track member search terms and records to identify individuals in need of immediate care. The campaigns drove interventions to avert care from ER settings and brick and mortar urgent care, lowering member costs and driving close to $18,000,000 worth of value to Oscar Insurance this year. In addition, we launched engagement campaigns for our I plus Oscar client that helped drive an 18% year over year increase in annual wellness visits among individuals with chronic conditions. Speaker 200:06:47Turning to ICRA, we continue to execute against our strategy. Small and midsized businesses are struggling to offer health insurance at reasonable costs. We are working with ICRA platforms to meet these unmet needs and make OSCAR a preferred carrier of choice throughout our innovative products. The ICRA value proposition is resonating in the market and at state policy levels. States including Indiana and Texas are enacting laws and considering legislation to make it easier for small businesses to adopt ICRA. Speaker 200:07:21We expect other states will follow suit. State momentum keeps us bullish on ICRA as a key solution to give consumers more choice and employers a more sustainable cost structure. Before I transition to Scott, I wanted to address the heightened attention on the ACA given the upcoming presidential election. The ACA is the fastest growing market in health insurance and has created the largest risk pool in the industry resulting in a significantly lower cost trend than conventional employer sponsored coverage. The market serves nearly 22,000,000 lives and has lowered the uninsured rate for small businesses from 25% to 16% and to 7% overall. Speaker 200:08:06The ACA fills a critical gap in the insurance market and has proven its value across states. We are seeing a notable shift in sentiment from federal and state policymakers. They are moving beyond repeal and replace to creating constructive solutions that position their marketplaces to better serve more Americans. Now I want to put a finer point on enhanced subsidies. As we said at Investor Day, we expect to achieve our 20 27 top line revenue and operating margin targets regardless of the outcome on enhanced subsidies. Speaker 200:08:39However, the continuation of enhanced subsidies is a critical bipartisan issue. Subsidies have made affordable comprehensive benefits accessible to hardworking Americans, ensuring individuals do not have to make trade offs on basic needs like food and housing. Without subsidies, the uninsured rate is expected to rise significantly and will largely affect notable coverage gains in Texas, South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana and Georgia. Any administration therefore has a strong incentive to find a permanent solution. Again, we see a continuation of enhanced subsidies as upside to our base plan. Speaker 200:09:21In summary, OSCAR continues to execute. The strategy we laid out is working, evidenced by strong revenue growth, improved operating margins and bottom line performance. Our outperformance to the 2nd quarter positions us to achieve our total company adjusted EBITDA profitability target this year. I am confident we have the right team and strategy to achieve our updated 2024 guidance and long term goals. Oscar has significant runway to grow through geographic expansion, our tech driven products and our leadership in ICRA. Speaker 200:09:59We have a strong belief in the individual market and we have proven our ability to innovate in dynamic environments. We look forward to continuing to deliver strong results in 2024 to make the individual market the chosen solution for all Americans. Before I hand the call to Scott, I want to thank our Oscar team. They are the A team whose actions and hard work drive our outsized results. Scott? Speaker 300:10:27Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. We've delivered strong financial results for the first half of the year, which positions us well to achieve total company adjusted EBITDA profitability this year. Building on our strong first quarter momentum, we reported Total revenue increased 46% year over year to $2,200,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, driven by higher membership and year over year rate increases, partially offset by higher risk adjustment as a percentage of premiums. We ended the quarter with approximately 1,600,000 members, a strong increase of 63% year over year. Membership growth was driven by strong retention, above market growth during open enrollment and SEP member additions. Speaker 300:11:20Turning to medical costs. The 2nd quarter medical loss ratio improved by 90 basis points year over year to 79%, primarily driven by favorable prior period development. Overall, utilization trends were in line with our expectations. I want to spend a moment on special enrollment. We saw significant membership growth in the 2nd quarter. Speaker 300:11:45SCP member additions peaked in May and decelerated in June July. The economics for these members have been in line with our expectations thus far. As a reminder, SCP members added in the second half of the year carry an in year MLR headwind due to partial year risk adjustment dynamics and the short window for utilization and risk going to occur. We expect that the strong growth in we've had a good track record of retaining SEP members and their MLR performance in the following year has been similar to other open enrollment members. Turning to risk adjustment. Speaker 300:12:29The final CMS report for 2023 was largely consistent with our expectations, resulting in only a modest increase to our risk transfer payable. We also received the 1st Wakeley report for 2024. For full year 2024, we now expect risk adjustment as a percentage of premiums to be largely consistent year over year. With 6 months of performance behind us, our overall underwriting economics are trending well. Switching to administrative costs. Speaker 300:13:03The 2nd quarter SG and A expense ratio improved by 260 basis points year over year to 19.6 percent driven by higher fixed cost leverage and variable cost efficiencies, which were partially offset by higher risk adjustment as a percent of premiums. Our strong first half results demonstrate that we are executing well. We delivered significant revenue growth and improved profitability, which drove a substantial year over year increase adjusted EBITDA in the quarter and for the 1st 6 months of the year. 2nd quarter net income of approximately $56,000,000 improved by $72,000,000 year over year. Adjusted EBITDA of $104,000,000 increased by $69,000,000 year over year. Speaker 300:13:53First half net income of $234,000,000 improved by nearly $289,000,000 year over year. And finally, first half adjusted EBITDA of $323,000,000 increased by $237,000,000 year over year. Shifting to the balance sheet, our capital position remains strong. We ended the 2nd quarter with approximately $4,100,000,000 of cash and investments, including $204,000,000 of cash and investments at the parent. As of June 30, our insurance subsidiaries had approximately $1,100,000,000 of capital in surplus, including $655,000,000 of excess capital, which was driven by our strong operating performance. Speaker 300:14:40Let me turn now to updates to our 2024 full year guidance. We are raising our guidance for total revenue by $700,000,000 to a range of $9,000,000,000 to $9,100,000,000 reflecting higher membership driven by SEP additions. As Mark mentioned, the Medicaid redeterminations process is largely complete in almost all of our states. We now expect a medical loss ratio in the range of 80.5% to 81.5%, driven primarily by SCP member risk adjustment dynamics that I previously mentioned. Switching to SG and A, we now expect a lower SG and A expense ratio in the range of 19.75 percent to 20.25 percent driven by lower risk adjustment as a percentage of premiums and greater fixed cost leverage. Speaker 300:15:38We continue to expect to achieve total company adjusted EBITDA profitability this year and are raising our estimate to a range of $160,000,000 to $210,000,000 In closing, we've delivered the best 6 months in Oscar's history. Our strong outperformance in the first half of the year demonstrates that we can achieve strong growth and improve profitability. We remain confident in our ability to achieve total company adjusted EBITDA profitability this year, setting a solid foundation for the path towards our long term targets of at least 20% top line CAGR and a 5% operating margin by 2027. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator for the Q and A portion of our call. Operator00:16:25Thank you. Thank you. We are now opening the floor for question and answer session. Our first question comes from Steve Baxter from Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:44Hi, good morning. Thanks for the question. So I just wanted to ask about the improved guidance. So you raised the EBITDA guidance by $35,000,000 I think you said at the Investor Day that as of April, you were running about $40,000,000 above plan. I'm just trying to square those two numbers and wondering if you've now adopted a provision and guidance around the SEP membership dynamics you discussed at the Investor Day? Speaker 400:17:08Thanks. Speaker 300:17:10Hey, Steve. Thanks for the question. So as we did the full forecast for the year, the biggest driver of the difference between where we were $40,000,000 ahead at the Investor Day and the guidance midpoint is just SEP. And so I think the answer you're going to hear to most questions about what's driving the full year today is going to be SEP growth. As you may remember, the SEP growth comes with in year MLR headwind due to the partial year risk adjustment dynamics. Speaker 300:17:51So we're excited about the growth that we're seeing there. We're excited that we can continue to have strong performance this year and that those SVP members are actually going to be a tailwind for us as we go into 2025 as we would expect to be able to retain a significant portion of them. Speaker 400:18:07Got it. And you discussed, I think, potentially a $40,000,000 headwind if SEP membership adds exceeded what you had embedded in your initial guidance. Is there a sense you could give us on whether the full $40,000,000 is now embedded inside this EBITDA outlook or whether it's some portion of that? Thanks. Speaker 300:18:25Yes. I won't try to unmix the paint, if you will, but I think that the point here is we've now embedded our expectations for we've seen strong SCP growth in the Q2 and we're now expecting to see continued growth in membership through the rest of the year, but at a slower pace than what we saw in the Q2. Operator00:18:51Our next question comes from Jessica Tassen from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Hi. Speaker 500:18:58Thank you guys for taking the question and congrats on the good results. I was hoping you could maybe talk a little bit about the 2025 rate request and kind of help us understand some of the divergence in the requested rate increases. States like Georgia look like they're up or requested up about 13.5% versus Texas, Missouri 2% or 1%, respectively. So just interested if you could comment at all on the 2025 request, and then also on the divergence and what seems like one geographic area of the country? Thanks. Speaker 300:19:40Jessica, how are you? I appreciate the question. So look, I think that on rate requests, obviously, those are very much driven by the local geographies what we see in performance in market by market. So we would expect that they're always going to have differences and divergence. With respect to you asked about Georgia specifically, I would just say that I think that's reflective of the overall market there and it's pretty consistent with what we've seen from others as well. Speaker 300:20:17So I would think going forward that we would always expect that our rate actions will be responsive to local economics. Speaker 500:20:30Got it. And then I just had one quick follow-up. Maybe can you talk about whether your risk adjustment assumptions for your initial 2024 members changed at all in the 2Q number or whether that increased PMPM just entirely reflects the new members added year to date? Thank you. Speaker 300:20:51Yes. Appreciate the question on risk adjustment. And I would just say that for the full year, a couple of drivers. Obviously, the addition of SCP members actually comes with a higher amount of risk transfer and that would push the risk transfer up. But on the other hand and the predominant impact for the full year guidance is that we've seen our relative risk is actually getting closer to market average, which is why for the full year we now expect to be closer to last year's risk adjustment as a percent of premiums. Speaker 300:21:35I think that the points I would also make there is we look at our underwriting performance, it's right on plan. The weekly results that we got for the first half of the year confirm kind of where we think we're headed. So feel like we've got all of those factors built into our full year outlook of mid teens risk adjustment as a percentage premiums. Operator00:22:04Our next question comes from Joshua Raskin from Nephron Research. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:22:11Great. Thanks. The first question is, how are you thinking about pricing relative to competitors for 2025 now that you've seen a little data? And then can you speak to overall market growth expectations on the exchanges for next year? Speaker 300:22:29I would just say starting with kind of overall growth, we previously shared at the Investor Day our expectations for market growth of around 15% in 2025. We think that there's an opportunity to see that level of growth based on what we see today, which is there'll be some we believe lingering effects of Medicaid redetermination, but we also see strong underlying fundamentals in the market, which include strong distribution and the benefit of having a strong enhanced subsidy program. So all of those factors is kind of where we anticipate the market. Not just the overall market growth, but the markets that we are in. Speaker 200:23:22And our growth expectations, Josh, are built off of not just the overall market growth, but the markets that we are in and then adding additional markets. And that's why we see our ability to grow greater than 20% over time in 3 years. Speaker 300:23:36Thus far, Josh, when we look at other we're all starting to get an early preview of rates for 2025, then I would characterize them as stable and rational, which is kind of what we had been expecting. So nothing unexpected in terms of what we've seen so far. Speaker 600:23:59That's helpful. And then can you just provide, I know you mentioned a little in the prepared remarks, just an update on your ICRA related conversations. Maybe if you could start with sort of external vendor progress and then maybe give us a sense of any membership opportunities perhaps even in 2025? Speaker 200:24:16We will give guidance on membership for 2025 when we get there, but not until then. But however, Josh, in the partnerships we've built already and the go to market strategies we deployed, we've already made some changes as we've learned as we went along. We've got a lot of interest, a lot of interesting opportunities in front of us. We're driving those to ground. We're really trying to figure out overall distribution and how that will best play out over time and how we need to look at the 2 level sale, first the employer and then through the brokers and getting people into plans. Speaker 200:24:53But so far our earnings have been strong. Our interest continues to grow in the opportunity here. And by 2025, we believe we'll have some very positive results coming into the year. Operator00:25:08Our next question comes from Adam Raun from Bank of America. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:25:15Hey, thanks for the question. If I dig into the guidance changes on revenue and MLR, it looks like on the incremental revenue, I'm backing into like 85% MLR versus the 80.7% in the prior guidance. And so if that's all related to SVP, that would be roughly like 400 basis points of difference in MLR on those members versus what you expected to have coming into the year? 1st, is that delta right? And second, how does that compare to in prior cycles the difference between what you saw in FEP members and returning members? Speaker 700:25:50Just any color there on how the FEP members inside of your expectations are trending versus prior periods? Thanks. Speaker 300:25:59Yes. So the additional SEP membership growth that is now embedded in our full year outlook does have higher MLR implications. And so while we anticipate similar shape of seasonality next year or for the rest of this year, it's going to be similar to what we saw last year probably with a little bit steeper slope. So that's kind of what we would anticipate for MLR for the second half. With respect to performance of SEP members, The SEP members that we're getting are I think it's interesting. Speaker 300:26:42They're 3 to 4 years on average younger than the overall population. They tend to be healthier, which is one of the reasons why when we retain them in to the 2nd year and as those members start to engage in getting their PCP and pharmacy benefits all into the system and we're able to risk score those things, they start to look a lot like the open enrollment numbers. With respect to this year's the performance so far, we've really we anticipated that with more members coming from Medicaid redetermination, they may have higher utilization than what we've seen with SUP members in the past. We have seen some evidence that that is the case. We see some higher usage of the ER, for example. Speaker 300:27:31But importantly, the overall economics for those members are right in line with what we had anticipated. And so we're pleased thus far with the performance of the book. Speaker 200:27:42I would just add, it's not all medical costs. It's the revenue impact as well of not getting the risk adjusters in. And secondly, the mix, you don't understand the mix through the whole year that have come through in our reporting. So I don't think it's exactly incremental math to come up with 84.5%. Speaker 700:28:00Fair. No, I appreciate the color. And then 2 clarification questions that I'll squeeze into 1. You mentioned in the release that the MLR increase or decrease year over year was primarily due to favorable prior period developments. So if you could just explain that? Speaker 700:28:15And then second, on the preliminary rate filings, I think they should all be public now. So and you might have covered this at the Investor Day, but can you just go over if there's any new states or geographies in 2025? Thanks. Speaker 300:28:29Yes. With respect to prior period development, we did have favorable claims run out in the quarter. And that was a favorable development in terms of the MLR, roughly $36,000,000 in the quarter of favorable PPD. And with respect to your second question, can you just ask that one more time? I want to make sure I have the right context. Speaker 700:29:04Yes, sorry. Just the 2025 rate filing since the preliminary numbers are out that should indicate if you entered any new states. I haven't like done the analysis, but just wondering if you entered any new geographies and how that Speaker 400:29:18played out? Speaker 300:29:19I think that I would I appreciate the question now. I think at this point in the year, we won't go into the geographies and the expansion plans. We'll have more to say about that as we get closer to the end of the year. Speaker 200:29:35But we have doubled our markets overall, but not necessarily states. Speaker 700:29:41Got it. Got it. All right. Appreciate it. Appreciate all the answers. Operator00:30:04We have our next question from Michael from Baird. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:30:11Hi, this is Olivia Miles on for Michael Thanks for taking my question. So I was first interested in hearing more color on ICRA, specifically the long term opportunity and over the next 3 years. In the Investor Day, you mentioned it sits within the 12% to 14% new market and product revenue growth bucket. And given the components we backed into at roughly 100,000, ICRA Live is making up about 20% of that new market growth over the next 3 years. Is that number roughly in the ballpark of what's embedded in your expectations? Speaker 500:30:43And is that consistent with the $75,000,000 TAM opportunity? What is the cadence of the ramp over the next 3 years? Any color you can provide on that would be helpful. Speaker 300:30:54Olivia, I think that we would prefer to focus on the quarter in this call and refer you back to the Investor Day for that. We're happy to have an offline conversation about the details. But we have no updates to the IFCRA outlook in terms of TAM and opportunity. We continue to be bullish on that. And the work we've done this year has just made us even more excited about what the opportunity is there. Speaker 300:31:23So, feel free to give the IR team a call after they can walk through the details of the IR day materials. Speaker 500:31:31Thanks. And if I can ask a follow-up, as we think about potential deployable capital over the next 3 years, I believe your implied target is around $3,100,000,000 And so if I were to back out statutory capital to about 50% and a 50% quota share assuming minimal CapEx. I'm getting around $500,000,000 of deployable capital. Is that roughly in the ballpark? And how should we expect quota share to toggle down over time? Speaker 300:31:57Yes. I won't comment specifically on the amount of excess capital that we're projecting. But I do think that the company with positive earnings trajectory is going to be able to generate significant excess capital over the through 2027. And our expectations of how we would use that capital are first of all, we want to lean into organic growth wherever possible and use excess capital to fund organic growth. Scale is great for us. Speaker 300:32:30It creates fixed cost leverage. It gives us the continuing ability to get into new markets and expand our business. So that's the first point that we would look for. And then with respect to quota share, we would expect that as we have excess capital, we will rely less on quota share over time. We'll see how that plays out in terms of when we optimize around there. Speaker 300:32:53And quota share is a very efficient way for us to help fund the growth of this business. We appreciate the partnership that we have with our reinsurance partners. So we think that's an enduring part of how we can fund business. Operator00:33:09Thank you. We have reached the end of our Q and A session. We would like to thank everyone for attending today's conference call and we hope you have a wonderful day. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. My name is Ellie, and I will be your conference operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Oscar Health's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this call is being recorded. As of right now, everyone is joined on mute, so we can avoid background noise. Operator00:00:20Thank you. I will now turn the conference over to Chris Podichar, Vice President of Treasury and Investor Relations. You may now begin. Speaker 100:00:30Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q2 2024 earnings call. Mark Bertolini, Oscar's Chief Executive Officer Scott Blackley, Oscar's Chief Financial Officer will host this morning's call. This call can also be accessed through our Investor Relations website at ir.hioscar.com. Full details of our results and additional management commentary are available in our earnings release, which can be found on our Investor Relations website atir.hioscar.com. Speaker 100:00:58Any remarks that Oster makes about the future constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of Safe Harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by those forward looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in our quarterly report on Form 10 Q for the period ended March 31, 2024 filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and other filings with the SEC, including our quarterly report on Form 10Q for the quarterly period ended June 30, 2024 to be filed with the SEC. Such forward looking statements are based on current expectations as of today. Oscar anticipates that subsequent events and developments may cause estimates to change. While the company may elect to update these forward looking statements at some point in the future, we specifically disclaim any obligation to do so. Speaker 100:01:52The call will also refer to certain non GAAP measures. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the Q2 earnings press release available on the company's Investor Relations website at ir. Hioscar.com. With that, I would like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mark Bertolini. Speaker 200:02:12Good morning. Thank you, Chris and thank you all for joining us. This morning Oscar reported strong second quarter results, delivering solid performance in the first half of the year. Our positive results were driven by robust membership growth, solid and consistent execution and improved bottom line performance. Underlying our 2nd quarter results, we reported total revenue of $2,200,000,000 in the quarter, an increase of 46% year over year. Speaker 200:02:43We improved our medical loss ratio by 90 basis points year over year to 79%. We achieved total company adjusted EBITDA of $104,100,000 a nearly $69,000,000 improvement versus the prior year. In addition, our first half adjusted EBITDA was $323,000,000 a significant year over year of improvement of $237,000,000 The first half of twenty twenty four is the best 6 months in Oscar's history. Based on our outperformance in the first half of the year, today we raised our full year 2024 revenue guidance by $700,000,000 to a range of $9,000,000,000 to $9,100,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA guidance to a range of $160,000,000 to $210,000,000 In a few moments, Scott will provide a detailed review of our 2nd quarter results and updated 2024 guidance. First, I will share key business highlights that demonstrate strong momentum against the strategic plan we shared with you at our Investor Day. Speaker 200:03:53In June, we outlined our strategy to achieve at least 20% revenue CAGR and 5% operating margin by 2027. We shared our plan to double our footprint in Oscar Insurance, significantly growing our addressable ACA opportunity through existing and new market expansion. We also doubled down on our commitment to introduce innovative products that meet the needs of our increasingly diverse member base. We declared our path diversify Oscar's growth beyond the traditional ACA by building a leading ICRA business. Finally, we reinforced our investment in Oscar's key asset, our technology, which continues to drive superior member experiences, operational efficiencies and affordability. Speaker 200:04:40Our 2nd quarter results increased our confidence in achieving these long term goals. We closed the quarter with approximately 1,600,000 members, a 63% increase year over year. Key growth drivers included strong retention, new membership in existing and expansion markets, and SCP member additions as Medicaid redeterminations continued. Overall utilization was in line with our expectations. We expect SCP member additions to continue into the second half of the year at a decelerated rate as the Medicaid redetermination process is now complete in almost all of Oscar states. Speaker 200:05:21Our strong growth this year lays a solid foundation for 2025 as SEP members that renew become a tailwind to our results. Oscar continues to deepen our market presence. We grew in approximately 80% of our states year over year. We captured more market share by leveraging our deep provider and distribution relationships and winning on experience. We drove more individuals to affordable culturally competent plans based on our deep understanding of the ACA consumer and our ability to personalize engagement through our technology. Speaker 200:05:57Our powerful technology engine continues to give Oscar Insurance a unique market edge, while creating strong outcomes for provider and health plan clients. For example, we introduced several campaigns that guided members to Oscar's virtual urgent care business. Our models track member search terms and records to identify individuals in need of immediate care. The campaigns drove interventions to avert care from ER settings and brick and mortar urgent care, lowering member costs and driving close to $18,000,000 worth of value to Oscar Insurance this year. In addition, we launched engagement campaigns for our I plus Oscar client that helped drive an 18% year over year increase in annual wellness visits among individuals with chronic conditions. Speaker 200:06:47Turning to ICRA, we continue to execute against our strategy. Small and midsized businesses are struggling to offer health insurance at reasonable costs. We are working with ICRA platforms to meet these unmet needs and make OSCAR a preferred carrier of choice throughout our innovative products. The ICRA value proposition is resonating in the market and at state policy levels. States including Indiana and Texas are enacting laws and considering legislation to make it easier for small businesses to adopt ICRA. Speaker 200:07:21We expect other states will follow suit. State momentum keeps us bullish on ICRA as a key solution to give consumers more choice and employers a more sustainable cost structure. Before I transition to Scott, I wanted to address the heightened attention on the ACA given the upcoming presidential election. The ACA is the fastest growing market in health insurance and has created the largest risk pool in the industry resulting in a significantly lower cost trend than conventional employer sponsored coverage. The market serves nearly 22,000,000 lives and has lowered the uninsured rate for small businesses from 25% to 16% and to 7% overall. Speaker 200:08:06The ACA fills a critical gap in the insurance market and has proven its value across states. We are seeing a notable shift in sentiment from federal and state policymakers. They are moving beyond repeal and replace to creating constructive solutions that position their marketplaces to better serve more Americans. Now I want to put a finer point on enhanced subsidies. As we said at Investor Day, we expect to achieve our 20 27 top line revenue and operating margin targets regardless of the outcome on enhanced subsidies. Speaker 200:08:39However, the continuation of enhanced subsidies is a critical bipartisan issue. Subsidies have made affordable comprehensive benefits accessible to hardworking Americans, ensuring individuals do not have to make trade offs on basic needs like food and housing. Without subsidies, the uninsured rate is expected to rise significantly and will largely affect notable coverage gains in Texas, South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana and Georgia. Any administration therefore has a strong incentive to find a permanent solution. Again, we see a continuation of enhanced subsidies as upside to our base plan. Speaker 200:09:21In summary, OSCAR continues to execute. The strategy we laid out is working, evidenced by strong revenue growth, improved operating margins and bottom line performance. Our outperformance to the 2nd quarter positions us to achieve our total company adjusted EBITDA profitability target this year. I am confident we have the right team and strategy to achieve our updated 2024 guidance and long term goals. Oscar has significant runway to grow through geographic expansion, our tech driven products and our leadership in ICRA. Speaker 200:09:59We have a strong belief in the individual market and we have proven our ability to innovate in dynamic environments. We look forward to continuing to deliver strong results in 2024 to make the individual market the chosen solution for all Americans. Before I hand the call to Scott, I want to thank our Oscar team. They are the A team whose actions and hard work drive our outsized results. Scott? Speaker 300:10:27Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. We've delivered strong financial results for the first half of the year, which positions us well to achieve total company adjusted EBITDA profitability this year. Building on our strong first quarter momentum, we reported Total revenue increased 46% year over year to $2,200,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, driven by higher membership and year over year rate increases, partially offset by higher risk adjustment as a percentage of premiums. We ended the quarter with approximately 1,600,000 members, a strong increase of 63% year over year. Membership growth was driven by strong retention, above market growth during open enrollment and SEP member additions. Speaker 300:11:20Turning to medical costs. The 2nd quarter medical loss ratio improved by 90 basis points year over year to 79%, primarily driven by favorable prior period development. Overall, utilization trends were in line with our expectations. I want to spend a moment on special enrollment. We saw significant membership growth in the 2nd quarter. Speaker 300:11:45SCP member additions peaked in May and decelerated in June July. The economics for these members have been in line with our expectations thus far. As a reminder, SCP members added in the second half of the year carry an in year MLR headwind due to partial year risk adjustment dynamics and the short window for utilization and risk going to occur. We expect that the strong growth in we've had a good track record of retaining SEP members and their MLR performance in the following year has been similar to other open enrollment members. Turning to risk adjustment. Speaker 300:12:29The final CMS report for 2023 was largely consistent with our expectations, resulting in only a modest increase to our risk transfer payable. We also received the 1st Wakeley report for 2024. For full year 2024, we now expect risk adjustment as a percentage of premiums to be largely consistent year over year. With 6 months of performance behind us, our overall underwriting economics are trending well. Switching to administrative costs. Speaker 300:13:03The 2nd quarter SG and A expense ratio improved by 260 basis points year over year to 19.6 percent driven by higher fixed cost leverage and variable cost efficiencies, which were partially offset by higher risk adjustment as a percent of premiums. Our strong first half results demonstrate that we are executing well. We delivered significant revenue growth and improved profitability, which drove a substantial year over year increase adjusted EBITDA in the quarter and for the 1st 6 months of the year. 2nd quarter net income of approximately $56,000,000 improved by $72,000,000 year over year. Adjusted EBITDA of $104,000,000 increased by $69,000,000 year over year. Speaker 300:13:53First half net income of $234,000,000 improved by nearly $289,000,000 year over year. And finally, first half adjusted EBITDA of $323,000,000 increased by $237,000,000 year over year. Shifting to the balance sheet, our capital position remains strong. We ended the 2nd quarter with approximately $4,100,000,000 of cash and investments, including $204,000,000 of cash and investments at the parent. As of June 30, our insurance subsidiaries had approximately $1,100,000,000 of capital in surplus, including $655,000,000 of excess capital, which was driven by our strong operating performance. Speaker 300:14:40Let me turn now to updates to our 2024 full year guidance. We are raising our guidance for total revenue by $700,000,000 to a range of $9,000,000,000 to $9,100,000,000 reflecting higher membership driven by SEP additions. As Mark mentioned, the Medicaid redeterminations process is largely complete in almost all of our states. We now expect a medical loss ratio in the range of 80.5% to 81.5%, driven primarily by SCP member risk adjustment dynamics that I previously mentioned. Switching to SG and A, we now expect a lower SG and A expense ratio in the range of 19.75 percent to 20.25 percent driven by lower risk adjustment as a percentage of premiums and greater fixed cost leverage. Speaker 300:15:38We continue to expect to achieve total company adjusted EBITDA profitability this year and are raising our estimate to a range of $160,000,000 to $210,000,000 In closing, we've delivered the best 6 months in Oscar's history. Our strong outperformance in the first half of the year demonstrates that we can achieve strong growth and improve profitability. We remain confident in our ability to achieve total company adjusted EBITDA profitability this year, setting a solid foundation for the path towards our long term targets of at least 20% top line CAGR and a 5% operating margin by 2027. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator for the Q and A portion of our call. Operator00:16:25Thank you. Thank you. We are now opening the floor for question and answer session. Our first question comes from Steve Baxter from Wells Fargo. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:44Hi, good morning. Thanks for the question. So I just wanted to ask about the improved guidance. So you raised the EBITDA guidance by $35,000,000 I think you said at the Investor Day that as of April, you were running about $40,000,000 above plan. I'm just trying to square those two numbers and wondering if you've now adopted a provision and guidance around the SEP membership dynamics you discussed at the Investor Day? Speaker 400:17:08Thanks. Speaker 300:17:10Hey, Steve. Thanks for the question. So as we did the full forecast for the year, the biggest driver of the difference between where we were $40,000,000 ahead at the Investor Day and the guidance midpoint is just SEP. And so I think the answer you're going to hear to most questions about what's driving the full year today is going to be SEP growth. As you may remember, the SEP growth comes with in year MLR headwind due to the partial year risk adjustment dynamics. Speaker 300:17:51So we're excited about the growth that we're seeing there. We're excited that we can continue to have strong performance this year and that those SVP members are actually going to be a tailwind for us as we go into 2025 as we would expect to be able to retain a significant portion of them. Speaker 400:18:07Got it. And you discussed, I think, potentially a $40,000,000 headwind if SEP membership adds exceeded what you had embedded in your initial guidance. Is there a sense you could give us on whether the full $40,000,000 is now embedded inside this EBITDA outlook or whether it's some portion of that? Thanks. Speaker 300:18:25Yes. I won't try to unmix the paint, if you will, but I think that the point here is we've now embedded our expectations for we've seen strong SCP growth in the Q2 and we're now expecting to see continued growth in membership through the rest of the year, but at a slower pace than what we saw in the Q2. Operator00:18:51Our next question comes from Jessica Tassen from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Hi. Speaker 500:18:58Thank you guys for taking the question and congrats on the good results. I was hoping you could maybe talk a little bit about the 2025 rate request and kind of help us understand some of the divergence in the requested rate increases. States like Georgia look like they're up or requested up about 13.5% versus Texas, Missouri 2% or 1%, respectively. So just interested if you could comment at all on the 2025 request, and then also on the divergence and what seems like one geographic area of the country? Thanks. Speaker 300:19:40Jessica, how are you? I appreciate the question. So look, I think that on rate requests, obviously, those are very much driven by the local geographies what we see in performance in market by market. So we would expect that they're always going to have differences and divergence. With respect to you asked about Georgia specifically, I would just say that I think that's reflective of the overall market there and it's pretty consistent with what we've seen from others as well. Speaker 300:20:17So I would think going forward that we would always expect that our rate actions will be responsive to local economics. Speaker 500:20:30Got it. And then I just had one quick follow-up. Maybe can you talk about whether your risk adjustment assumptions for your initial 2024 members changed at all in the 2Q number or whether that increased PMPM just entirely reflects the new members added year to date? Thank you. Speaker 300:20:51Yes. Appreciate the question on risk adjustment. And I would just say that for the full year, a couple of drivers. Obviously, the addition of SCP members actually comes with a higher amount of risk transfer and that would push the risk transfer up. But on the other hand and the predominant impact for the full year guidance is that we've seen our relative risk is actually getting closer to market average, which is why for the full year we now expect to be closer to last year's risk adjustment as a percent of premiums. Speaker 300:21:35I think that the points I would also make there is we look at our underwriting performance, it's right on plan. The weekly results that we got for the first half of the year confirm kind of where we think we're headed. So feel like we've got all of those factors built into our full year outlook of mid teens risk adjustment as a percentage premiums. Operator00:22:04Our next question comes from Joshua Raskin from Nephron Research. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:22:11Great. Thanks. The first question is, how are you thinking about pricing relative to competitors for 2025 now that you've seen a little data? And then can you speak to overall market growth expectations on the exchanges for next year? Speaker 300:22:29I would just say starting with kind of overall growth, we previously shared at the Investor Day our expectations for market growth of around 15% in 2025. We think that there's an opportunity to see that level of growth based on what we see today, which is there'll be some we believe lingering effects of Medicaid redetermination, but we also see strong underlying fundamentals in the market, which include strong distribution and the benefit of having a strong enhanced subsidy program. So all of those factors is kind of where we anticipate the market. Not just the overall market growth, but the markets that we are in. Speaker 200:23:22And our growth expectations, Josh, are built off of not just the overall market growth, but the markets that we are in and then adding additional markets. And that's why we see our ability to grow greater than 20% over time in 3 years. Speaker 300:23:36Thus far, Josh, when we look at other we're all starting to get an early preview of rates for 2025, then I would characterize them as stable and rational, which is kind of what we had been expecting. So nothing unexpected in terms of what we've seen so far. Speaker 600:23:59That's helpful. And then can you just provide, I know you mentioned a little in the prepared remarks, just an update on your ICRA related conversations. Maybe if you could start with sort of external vendor progress and then maybe give us a sense of any membership opportunities perhaps even in 2025? Speaker 200:24:16We will give guidance on membership for 2025 when we get there, but not until then. But however, Josh, in the partnerships we've built already and the go to market strategies we deployed, we've already made some changes as we've learned as we went along. We've got a lot of interest, a lot of interesting opportunities in front of us. We're driving those to ground. We're really trying to figure out overall distribution and how that will best play out over time and how we need to look at the 2 level sale, first the employer and then through the brokers and getting people into plans. Speaker 200:24:53But so far our earnings have been strong. Our interest continues to grow in the opportunity here. And by 2025, we believe we'll have some very positive results coming into the year. Operator00:25:08Our next question comes from Adam Raun from Bank of America. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:25:15Hey, thanks for the question. If I dig into the guidance changes on revenue and MLR, it looks like on the incremental revenue, I'm backing into like 85% MLR versus the 80.7% in the prior guidance. And so if that's all related to SVP, that would be roughly like 400 basis points of difference in MLR on those members versus what you expected to have coming into the year? 1st, is that delta right? And second, how does that compare to in prior cycles the difference between what you saw in FEP members and returning members? Speaker 700:25:50Just any color there on how the FEP members inside of your expectations are trending versus prior periods? Thanks. Speaker 300:25:59Yes. So the additional SEP membership growth that is now embedded in our full year outlook does have higher MLR implications. And so while we anticipate similar shape of seasonality next year or for the rest of this year, it's going to be similar to what we saw last year probably with a little bit steeper slope. So that's kind of what we would anticipate for MLR for the second half. With respect to performance of SEP members, The SEP members that we're getting are I think it's interesting. Speaker 300:26:42They're 3 to 4 years on average younger than the overall population. They tend to be healthier, which is one of the reasons why when we retain them in to the 2nd year and as those members start to engage in getting their PCP and pharmacy benefits all into the system and we're able to risk score those things, they start to look a lot like the open enrollment numbers. With respect to this year's the performance so far, we've really we anticipated that with more members coming from Medicaid redetermination, they may have higher utilization than what we've seen with SUP members in the past. We have seen some evidence that that is the case. We see some higher usage of the ER, for example. Speaker 300:27:31But importantly, the overall economics for those members are right in line with what we had anticipated. And so we're pleased thus far with the performance of the book. Speaker 200:27:42I would just add, it's not all medical costs. It's the revenue impact as well of not getting the risk adjusters in. And secondly, the mix, you don't understand the mix through the whole year that have come through in our reporting. So I don't think it's exactly incremental math to come up with 84.5%. Speaker 700:28:00Fair. No, I appreciate the color. And then 2 clarification questions that I'll squeeze into 1. You mentioned in the release that the MLR increase or decrease year over year was primarily due to favorable prior period developments. So if you could just explain that? Speaker 700:28:15And then second, on the preliminary rate filings, I think they should all be public now. So and you might have covered this at the Investor Day, but can you just go over if there's any new states or geographies in 2025? Thanks. Speaker 300:28:29Yes. With respect to prior period development, we did have favorable claims run out in the quarter. And that was a favorable development in terms of the MLR, roughly $36,000,000 in the quarter of favorable PPD. And with respect to your second question, can you just ask that one more time? I want to make sure I have the right context. Speaker 700:29:04Yes, sorry. Just the 2025 rate filing since the preliminary numbers are out that should indicate if you entered any new states. I haven't like done the analysis, but just wondering if you entered any new geographies and how that Speaker 400:29:18played out? Speaker 300:29:19I think that I would I appreciate the question now. I think at this point in the year, we won't go into the geographies and the expansion plans. We'll have more to say about that as we get closer to the end of the year. Speaker 200:29:35But we have doubled our markets overall, but not necessarily states. Speaker 700:29:41Got it. Got it. All right. Appreciate it. Appreciate all the answers. Operator00:30:04We have our next question from Michael from Baird. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:30:11Hi, this is Olivia Miles on for Michael Thanks for taking my question. So I was first interested in hearing more color on ICRA, specifically the long term opportunity and over the next 3 years. In the Investor Day, you mentioned it sits within the 12% to 14% new market and product revenue growth bucket. And given the components we backed into at roughly 100,000, ICRA Live is making up about 20% of that new market growth over the next 3 years. Is that number roughly in the ballpark of what's embedded in your expectations? Speaker 500:30:43And is that consistent with the $75,000,000 TAM opportunity? What is the cadence of the ramp over the next 3 years? Any color you can provide on that would be helpful. Speaker 300:30:54Olivia, I think that we would prefer to focus on the quarter in this call and refer you back to the Investor Day for that. We're happy to have an offline conversation about the details. But we have no updates to the IFCRA outlook in terms of TAM and opportunity. We continue to be bullish on that. And the work we've done this year has just made us even more excited about what the opportunity is there. Speaker 300:31:23So, feel free to give the IR team a call after they can walk through the details of the IR day materials. Speaker 500:31:31Thanks. And if I can ask a follow-up, as we think about potential deployable capital over the next 3 years, I believe your implied target is around $3,100,000,000 And so if I were to back out statutory capital to about 50% and a 50% quota share assuming minimal CapEx. I'm getting around $500,000,000 of deployable capital. Is that roughly in the ballpark? And how should we expect quota share to toggle down over time? Speaker 300:31:57Yes. I won't comment specifically on the amount of excess capital that we're projecting. But I do think that the company with positive earnings trajectory is going to be able to generate significant excess capital over the through 2027. And our expectations of how we would use that capital are first of all, we want to lean into organic growth wherever possible and use excess capital to fund organic growth. Scale is great for us. Speaker 300:32:30It creates fixed cost leverage. It gives us the continuing ability to get into new markets and expand our business. So that's the first point that we would look for. And then with respect to quota share, we would expect that as we have excess capital, we will rely less on quota share over time. We'll see how that plays out in terms of when we optimize around there. Speaker 300:32:53And quota share is a very efficient way for us to help fund the growth of this business. We appreciate the partnership that we have with our reinsurance partners. So we think that's an enduring part of how we can fund business. Operator00:33:09Thank you. We have reached the end of our Q and A session. 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