PHX Minerals Q2 2024 Earnings Report $3.58 -0.04 (-1.10%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$3.55 -0.03 (-0.84%) As of 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History PHX Minerals EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.04Consensus EPS $0.02Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPS-$0.02PHX Minerals Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$9.54 millionExpected Revenue$7.40 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.14 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/APHX Minerals Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date8/7/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, August 8, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsPHX Minerals' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 12:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryPHX ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by PHX Minerals Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 8, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning and thank you for attending today's PHX Minerals June 30, 2024 Quarter End Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines will be muted during the presentation of the call with an opportunity for a Q and A session at the end. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Stephen Lee with FNK IR. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us today to discuss PHX Minerals' June 30, 2024 quarterly results. Joining us on the call today are Chad Stephens, President and Chief Executive Officer Ralph D'Amico, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Danielle Mezzo, Vice President of Engineering. The earnings press release that was issued yesterday after the close is also posted on PHF's Investor Relations website. Before I turn the call over to Chad, I'd like to remind everyone that during today's call, including the Q and A session, management may make forward looking statements regarding expected revenue, earnings, future plans, opportunities and other expectations of the company. Speaker 100:01:16These estimates and other forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied on the call. These risks are detailed in PHX Minerals' most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks, as such, may be amended or supplemented by subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10 Q and other reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The statements made during this call are based upon information known to PHX as of today, August 8, 2024, and the company does not intend to update these forward looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise unless required by law. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Chad Stevens, PHX's Chief Executive Officer. Chad? Speaker 200:02:06Thanks, Stephen. And thanks to all of you on this call for participating in PHX's June 30, 2024 quarter end earnings conference call. We appreciate your interest in the company. The macro environment in which we are operating continues to be challenging. Commodity prices remain suppressed, total rig activity in the lower 48 is down, especially in the natural gas stations, while the supply demand fundamentals for both oil and gas appear to be nearing equilibrium. Speaker 200:02:38For natural gas, the pending demand from new LNG export facilities as well as increased demand for natural gas to meet growing AI generated power demand is clearly on the horizon. This forecasted increase in demand provides optimism reflected in the natural gas NYMEX strip price contango, longer dated prices higher than near term prices. Even in the near term rather challenging environment, which obviously includes the sudden onset of market volatility and interest rate uncertainty, PHX is achieving noticeable results. To put today's reported results in context, I would like to remind you that 4 years ago, PHX's production volume and reserve mix was almost 70% non op working interest and 30% royalty. Over the last 4 years, the company has divested of a material portion of its non op working interest. Speaker 200:03:40Today, that mix has flipped with royalty volumes and reserves representing approximately 90% and non op working interest about 10%. This has been consistent with our stated strategy to transition to a mineral only focus, which we have regularly communicated to the market. As we divested of the non op working interest, we redeployed the sale proceeds in the minerals in our core focus areas. During this 4 year transition, we were growing royalty volumes, achieving a CAGR for royalty volumes of almost 30%. But during this period of significant working interest divestiture, our total reported corporate volumes remain basically flat. Speaker 200:04:31Loyalty volume growth offset by working interest divestiture. For this June 30 quarter, two things really stand out. Total corporate volumes are highest quarterly volumes since Q2 of 2018, which reflects the successful replacement of the divested working interest volumes with high quality, high margin royalty interest volumes. 2, our continued steady annual royalty volume growth of that 30% I just spoke demonstrates the quality of minerals we have acquired that includes a deep inventory of undeveloped locations that are being actively developed and contributing to our annual volume growth. I call out slides 13, 14, and 15 in our most recent IR slide deck that explains this development of our undeveloped inventory. Speaker 200:05:28The impressive quarter over sequential quarter volume growth of about 40% that we are reporting this quarter is in part due to high interest, high impact wells turned to sales in both Haynesville and SCOOP of Oklahoma. Absent these somewhat anomalous wells, we would have still reported compelling double digit percent quarter over quarter volume growth from development across our portfolio, reflecting the quality of our deep undeveloped location inventory I just mentioned. The challenging environment highlights the flexibility of our business model and the ability to quickly allocate more capital toward reducing debt. Since year end 2023, the company has reduced debt from $32,750,000 to $28,750,000 providing a strong leverage metric under 1.5. Maintaining a strong balance sheet is a priority focus for us. Speaker 200:06:29Given the demonstrable value of our assets that we feel is not reflected in our stock price, every dollar of debt reduction should be a direct benefit to our equity value. This balance sheet focus includes an active hedging program to protect fixed costs and the ability to execute our annual budget. Ralph will provide more detail on hedges in a moment. We have also closed on approximately $3,500,000 of mineral acquisitions year to date in both the SCOOP and Haynesville with several other opportunities currently being evaluated. Another highlight this quarter is the Board's decision to increase our dividend by $0.01 a quarter or an annual increase of 33% to $0.16 per share. Speaker 200:07:17Since March 2020, we have now increased the dividend by 400%. This demonstrates the conviction management and the Board share in the ability to execute on our strategy and the quality of our existing assets regardless of the macro environment. As Danielle will discuss in a moment, activity on and around our minerals continue to drive year over year steady volume growth. We are especially excited about the material increase in development activity we are witnessing in our SpringBoard III area of the SCOOP in Oklahoma. To recap this quarter's highlights: A, highest corporate volume since 2018 B, quarter over quarter royalty volume increase of 46%, reduced debt by $4,000,000 or 12% and increased dividend by 33%, which represents a 400% increase since March of 2020. Speaker 200:08:16At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to Danielle to provide a quick operational overview and then Ralph to discuss the financials. Danielle? Speaker 300:08:26Thanks, Chad, and good morning to everyone participating on the call. For our quarter ended June 30, 2024, total corporate production increased 40% from the quarter ended March 31, 2024 to 2,968 millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters cfe. This represents the highest quarterly corporate production figure since the quarter ended June 30, 2018. Royalty production for the quarter increased 46% The volume increase during the quarter is primarily associated with several high interest, high impact Haynesville wells coming online. Recall that we mentioned during last quarter's call that we are expecting these wells to come online in the near term. Speaker 300:09:12While we have a number of other high interest wells currently in the process of being developed, it is challenging to estimate 1st production to any specific quarter. It is important to note that as a mineral holder, we do not control timing on well development, so there can be some volatility both up and down on a quarter to quarter basis and volumes associated with our business model are better evaluated on a rolling 12 month basis. Royalty volumes represented 91% of total production during our June 30, 2024 quarter. 83% of our quarter's production volumes were natural gas, which aligns with our long term position that natural gas is the key transition fuel for a sustainable energy future. Oil represented 10% of production volumes and NGL represented 7%. Speaker 300:09:58During Q2 2024, 3rd party operators active on our mineral acreage converted 55 gross or 0.4 net wells in progress or width to producing wells compared to 85 gross and 0.32 net in the prior sequential quarter. The higher net number compared to lower gross number reflects the high interest Haynesville wells mentioned earlier converting to production. We are very pleased with our well conversion rates, particularly given the challenging natural gas macro environment, which includes some operators deferring bringing wells online until there is an improvement in natural gas prices. At the same time, our inventory of wells in progress on our minerals, which includes DUCs, wells being drilled and permits filed, remains strong with 241 gross or 0.927 net wells compared to 230 gross or 1.099 net at the end of March 31, 2024. The continued track record of well conversions and replenishment of the inventory of wells in progress or WIPs reflects the high quality portfolio of assets we have assembled to provide steady, sustainable growth, future growth. Speaker 300:11:03In addition to our widths, we regularly monitor 3rd party operator rig activities in our focus areas and observed 15 rigs present on PHX Minerals acreage as of July 8, 2024. Additionally, we had 60 rigs active within 2.5 miles of PHX ownership. In summary, we continue to see steady development in both our legacy and recently acquired mineral assets, which should lead to annually increasing royalty volumes. Now I will turn the call back to Ralph to discuss financials. Speaker 400:11:31Thanks, Danielle, and thanks for everybody for being on the call today. For the Q2 ended June 30, 2024, natural gas, oil and NGL sales revenues increased 39% to $9,800,000 compared to the prior sequential quarter due primarily to an increase in production volumes of 40% and a decrease in realized prices of about 1% on an Mcfe basis to $3.31 from $3.35 in Q1 twenty twenty 4 were $2.05 per Mcf compared to $2.10 in Q1 2024. Realized oil prices averaged $77.38 up 2% from Q1 2024 and NGL prices averaged $23.75 up 10% from Q1 'twenty four. Realized hedge gains for the quarter were $1,180,000 approximately 38% of our natural gas, 25% of our oil and 0% of our NGL production volumes were hedged at average prices of $3.28 per Mcf $73.29 per barrel. Most of these hedge contracts were added over the course of the last 24 months. Speaker 400:12:57We continue to be consistent with our hedge program and believe it is doing what it is meant to do, protect us on the downside. Approximately 42% of our anticipated full year 2024 natural gas production at the midpoint of our guidance has downside protection at approximately $3.34 On the oil side, approximately 35% of our anticipated production at the midpoint of our guidance is downside protection at approximately $65.48 per barrel. We structure our natural gas hedges using both swaps and costless collars, which means that we also have upside exposure in certain volumes to the $4 to $5 range, while still maintaining floors in the $3 or above range. Our current hedge position is available in our recently filed 10 Q, which also includes some additional hedges, which we added during the quarter for the calendar 2025 period. Total production or total transportation, gathering and marketing fees increased 83% on a sequential quarterly basis to $1,540,000 primarily due to higher volumes coming on during the quarter. Speaker 400:14:14And it's also important to note that a significant amount of those new volumes come from cost bearing leases, which includes the mineral holder paying their proportionate share of the transportation gathering and marketing fees. Production and ad valorem taxes increased 52% on a sequential quarter over quarter basis to approximately $598,000 due to slightly higher prices and higher production volumes, primarily in Louisiana where taxes are based on volumes and not on revenues. LOE associated with our legacy non operated working interest wells decreased 11% on a sequential quarter basis to $294,000 primarily due to lower workover expenses. Cash G and A decreased 23 percent to $2,040,000 compared to the prior sequential quarter. Our cash G and A is typically higher in the 1st and 4th quarters calendar quarters of the year compared to the 2nd and third quarters due to professional fees and associated fees associated with items such as our 10 ks and our shareholder meeting. Speaker 400:15:23Adjusted EBITDA was up $6,400,000 in our Q2 2024 period compared to $4,600,000 in Q1 2024. The increase in EBITDA, as discussed earlier, is due to higher production volumes, lower cash G and A and the successful implementation of our hedging strategy, offset by the higher transportation gathering and marketing expenses and production taxes associated with the new wells that are from cost bearing leases coming online during the quarter. Net income for the quarter was $1,300,000 or $0.04 per diluted share. We had a total debt of $28,750,000 as of June 30, 2024, down 4,000,000 dollars from the $32,750,000 as of December 31, 2023. Our debt to trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA was 1.32x as of June 30, 2024. Speaker 400:16:20Much like last year, at this time when natural gas price fell, our acquisition program remains disciplined and if the deals in the marketplace do not generate a required return profile, we will not chase them. Also, it is important to note that we have an almost 7 year inventory of high quality drilling locations, which means that we can continue to perform and grow production without chasing acquisitions that do not meet our underwriting criteria. We are happy to build liquidity, pay down debt and return capital to our shareholders through our quarterly dividend. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Chad for some final remarks. Speaker 200:17:02Thank you, Ralph. We are very pleased with our achievements despite this challenging macro environment. The dramatic collapse in the natural gas prices in early 2023 and lingering at historic lows currently has had a material impact on natural gas E and P's development activities, especially in the Haynesville and Marcellus. As a mineral owner, we will also be impacted by this deferral. However, our business strategy is to acquire minerals in the core of our focus area with near term development potential. Speaker 200:17:36This can be seen by our continued steady well conversions that supports our expected future royalty volume growth despite these various headwinds. As I stated a moment ago, we have created demonstrable value over the last 4 years that is not reflected in our stock price. I will continually stress this supported by the portfolio we have built of high quality assets with improved cash margins, a mineral interest in a deep inventory of undeveloped drilling locations, which supply our well conversion and are categorized as probable reserves. This conversion rate, which Danielle discussed a moment ago and is explained in our IR slide presentation, has and will continue to drive increasing royalty volumes and cash flow over the next few years. As I did last quarter, I direct you to Slide 7 of our newly posted IR presentation that reflect a 2P PV-ten reserve value at current NYMEX trip prices of close to $300,000,000 This reserve value is validated by the independent technical work performed by our outside third party engineering firm, Colley Gillespie. Speaker 200:18:54If natural gas prices return to a more normal mid price cycle and driven by the growing demand catalyst to which I earlier referred, that PV-ten value reflected on slide 7 would be dramatically higher. We also show in the appendix of our IR presentation the timing of the new LNG export capacity from the Gulf Coast, which we continually emphasize. Once in service, this will help bring natural gas prices into that mid price to upper range and when increased operator activity, increase our royalty production volumes and cash flow. Since 2020 and to date, we have spent approaching 140,000,000 dollars acquiring our current mineral position in the SCOOP and Haynesville. PHX's current enterprise value is roughly 145,000,000 with a PV-ten reserve value I mentioned earlier of around $300,000,000 We recognize this disconnect between these facts and our current stock price, which I continue to stress. Speaker 200:19:57We will work every day searching for the best way to reward our shareholders and close this gap. As always, I thank both our employees and Board of Directors for their dedication and hard work. This concludes the prepared remarks portion of the call. Operator, please open up the queue for questions. Operator00:20:18Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. The first question is from Charles Meade with Johnson Rice. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:08Good morning, Chad, to you and Ralph, Danielle and the rest of the PHX team there. You guys, I think, are justifiably pleased with the way that 2Q turned out, especially you've mentioned that it's record production since 2Q 'eighteen. Speaker 600:21:30So the roll of the Speaker 500:21:31dice certainly winch your way this quarter, if that's a workable metaphor. But what I'm curious about is how much of an outlier is this quarter? I mean, you could frame it in any way you want, but maybe one way of thinking about it is, is this a once in every 4 quarter kind of result or is this a once in every 16 quarter kind of result? And I know you might not be able to precise there, but if you could just guide our interpretation of really this great quarterly result you just put up. Speaker 200:22:08Yes. I can say, Charles, that looking over the last 4 years and that compounded annual growth rate royalty growth rate of close to 30% speaks to that pace of development that's feeding that growth and that growth is coming from our undeveloped inventory of locations that are being developed quarter over quarter year over year. So what's happened in the past will continue to happen in the future, maybe not to the magnitude it was this particular quarter, but we are pleased with and will continue to see this steady quarter over quarter year over year is focused on the royalty volume growth, not necessarily the corporate. I tried to differentiate between the 2 in my opening comments. But we're excited obviously about this outlying quarter. Speaker 200:23:04But we continue to see the pace of development that we've seen in the past going forward and we'll continue to see this similar quarter over quarter and year over year royalty volume growth. Ralph, do you want to Operator00:23:17add to that? Speaker 400:23:18Yes. I think that's well said. And the only thing I would add is that, look, I mean, obviously, there were some high interest wells that came on during the quarter, but I don't believe that that's abnormal. It's a matter of when they come on. I mean, we have I think as Danielle mentioned, we have several other high interest wells, high impact wells similar to these that are in the process of being developed. Speaker 400:23:43Obviously, as we mentioned, we don't control timing, so it's hard to pinpoint what specific quarter. But there's no doubt that their operator is spending money on similar wells to these on our minerals where we own similar percentages of the well as we speak here today. So it's just a matter of time and as we talked about, you kind of have to look at it over several quarters, not just at one particular point in time. Speaker 500:24:10Got it. Thank you for that. And then, if I could kind of maybe go further afield with my second question, stepping away from the Haynesville, the SCOOP, my understanding there's been an uptick in activity from a lot of private operators in the Western Anadarko, targeting the Cherokee sale. And more recently, there's a public company made an acquisition in the Cherokee Shale. And then when I look at your Slide 5, it looks to me like you might have some exposure to that play. Speaker 500:24:44So could you kind of quantify that or maybe characterize what kind of activity you might be seeing around anything you hold out there? Speaker 200:24:56Yes, we've watched that. We do have some legacy minerals out there. And as it's matured, as the play has matured and become derisked, we've kind of done a little kind of get our toe in the water, so to speak, test the waters to acquire some minerals. And it's gotten already so frothy out there that it just doesn't meet our economics. So we've not had any real success in being able to acquire, consolidate some minerals out there. Speaker 200:25:33But it is a real play, yes. And it's I think that acquisition speaks to the credibility and the validity of it, but it's already, from a mineral perspective, has already gotten pretty frothy. So we're going to step back and just kind of watch from the sidelines. Speaker 400:25:55So we're not focused on acquiring additional minerals there, but we do have a substantial amount of minerals in that area. And we've seen a significant number of well development on certain sections that we own in, including some high interest sections where we had quite a few minerals. And we've also seen a step up in the leasing activity on our non producing minerals in the area as well. So we're not adding to it, but you're correct Charles, we have some good exposure to it and we will certainly benefit from that additional industry activity there. Operator00:26:38Thank you. The next question is from Jeff Grampp with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:26:47Yes. Thanks for the time. Speaker 200:26:49Hi, Speaker 700:26:49Jeff. Curious to if you guys could take out your crystal balls for me here. Obviously, the guide implies some declines in the back half of the year, which not at all surprising given what you guys reported here in Q2. But when do you guys think that potentially bottoms again? I know you kind of have to build back up that activity funnel, still at a solid level, but you've kind of been drawn down on it for a couple of quarters. Speaker 700:27:14I mean, can the start of 'twenty five resume that sequential growth or how do you guys potentially see the next several quarters playing out as best you can kind of see it today? Speaker 200:27:27Ralph, why don't you start to answer? Speaker 400:27:31Sure. So, yes, I mean, look, I mean, I think, as we look at the next 12 months, we continue to see activity. And while the wells in progress inventory got drawn down a little bit, I would say, again, it's one of those things where we use sixthirty data, it's at one point in time. I would tell you that if you were to look at the number today, it's already higher, right. So what that means is that the operators are continuing to permit new locations on our minerals, right, and they're continuing to convert, right. Speaker 400:28:14So I think that even if we maintain the same pace over the next 12 months, maybe a little bit higher as we've seen over the last several quarters, right, 25 should look better than 24 from a volume standpoint. Obviously, it's very dependent upon commodity prices and what the operators decide to do, which we don't control, right. So there's a big if there. But on what we see today, we're very optimistic that over several quarters, you're going to continue to see that upward trend. Speaker 200:28:49And let's just remind Jeff, just to remind you, over the last 4 years, as I was answering Charles' question and as you talk about what we're thinking around 2025, all of this royalty volume growth, I highlight that word, is on top of what's kind of a corporate royalty decline rate for us in excess of 25%. So, we're able to replace that decline rate and grow our royalty volume reserves because of the quality of this inventory I keep kind of highlighting. Does that make sense? Speaker 700:29:32Yes, absolutely. And I understand there's no perfect answer there, but appreciate the details and thoughts. My follow-up is more on the modeling guidance side. You guys made some revisions on the GP and T guidance front. Is that something it sounded like Ralph, I think you hit on that that just kind of depends upon the structure of these specific royalty assets that are driving production in any given quarter. Speaker 700:29:57Is there a way for us on the outside to really take that into account or kind of get a handle on that as we kind of build our modeling? Or is this just something that's kind of idiosyncratic depending upon any given quarter and kind of the makeup of the assets that kind of build up to that production? Speaker 400:30:17Yes. It's perfectly imperfect in the sense that that's why we kind of give you a range, right, because on any particular quarter, if you have 2 cost free wells, 2 cost free lease wells coming online instead of 2, I'm not making up a number, 2 cost bearing wells coming online, that number can shift one way or the other, right, because particularly if they're high interest wells. So clearly, some of these wells that came on are cost bearing and that's what drove those numbers and they came online a little bit sooner than what we had expected, which is sort of driving us moving that number up because more of the year will have the impact of having to pay those expenses from those additional volumes. Speaker 700:31:12Okay, understood. That makes sense and I appreciate the details. Thank you, guys. Speaker 200:31:17Thanks, Chip. Operator00:31:19Thank you. The next question is from Donovan Shafer with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:27Hey guys, thanks for taking the questions. So first I want to ask, you described the and congratulations on the quarter. This is when you said that you're going to return to growth Now that you've completed this 4 year transformation, you were not kidding as this particular quarter shows. So well done there. But I want to say, you talk about the there are some somewhat anomalous wells this quarter in the sense of being high interest, but you also say high impact. Speaker 600:32:03And is that just kind of like synonymous or saying because they're high interest, it has a high impact on the financials? Or was there some other attribute in the wells? I mean, were they unusually exceptionally prolific wells that just performed fantastically well? And you seem to kind of know in advance, I mean, you would know that there were high interest, but did you were you able to anticipate that this was just like a really attractive area of the Haynesville and you say you knew these were going to be some very juicy prolific wells coming online or did they just turn Speaker 400:32:38out Yes, no, I think I think Donovan, I think so the answer is, so the Haynesville wells, right, relative to wells in Oklahoma come in at a much higher rate. So if you have and we had a combination of high interest wells in both places come online, right. But clearly, the Haynesville wells come in at a much higher rate than an Oklahoma well, right? And so the more Haynesville wells you have come online relative to Oklahoma, the more impact you're going to have, right? So if I have if this quarter, if you flip flopped it, right, and you had more Oklahoma wells versus Haynesville wells, the volume would have been a little bit lower, right? Speaker 400:33:25So that's the point that Chad was trying to make earlier that if you normalize that, sort of the high impact part of it, right, and you try to normalize and sort of say what would it be if it was sort of more evenly spread, you still would have seen the highest quarter since 2018 from a volume standpoint and you still would have seen substantial growth on a sequential quarter basis. So, it's that's what we mean by it. Depending on the location, you can have higher 1st 3 months of production versus other areas. Speaker 600:34:04Okay. That's helpful. And then kind of related to that, and I understand what you're saying with the Haynesville wells that they come on so strong. And this kind of I think maybe ties a little bit into Jeff's question, like the guidance, the increase in the guidance, but then you've got these this quarter, some of that's reflective of these wells that come on so strong, but also decline quite quickly. Chad, you mentioned you've got a greater than 25% annual decline rate in these wells that you've got the royalty interest. Speaker 600:34:40So when I kind of take that together and I just looking at and kind of playing with my own model, it seems like without even really raising what I had in for Q3, Q4 type estimates, just putting in what you guys did this quarter, I kind of end up landing pretty darn close to kind of the midpoint of the revised guidance, which makes it seem almost as though you're not allowing for much of a contribution from these wells in this quarter to carry forward. Could this be my modeling error or whatever, but is there a certain amount of conservatism in here where you're really expecting the Haynesville wells to come down pretty quickly or pretty aggressively? Or is it some conservatism? Or do you feel like that's pretty spot on exactly where it should be in terms of guidance? Speaker 400:35:36We try to normalize all the quarters, right, so that to try to get out of these peaks and valleys, right? And so by definition, there's a layer of conservatism embedded in that. Speaker 600:35:48Yes. And you talk about the lumpiness. And so who the heck knows each quarter can have, for lack of a better word, like a roll of the dice ish quality. And so in theory, given that this is anomalously an anomalously incremental step up for a single quarter, you could see some anomalous lesser number of like new wells coming on or something. And so I get what you're saying. Speaker 600:36:18Okay. Okay. And then I want to ask for in the past you guys have been recompletions, other things where you're doing you're shutting in some offset wells. Just curious if you have any visibility on anything like that going on, anything to just as like a heads up to be aware of in terms of potentials for currently producing wells to be shut in for offset completions? Speaker 300:36:49No. As of yet, and I'm sorry, this is Danielle. We have not really seen a big impact from that as of late. We have actually seen some positive impact from completions of the offsets, particularly in the Haynesville. So as far as shut in wells long term, no, we're not really seeing that at the moment. Speaker 600:37:09Okay. That's great. Great to hear. Okay, well, congratulations on the quarter. Thank you, guys. Speaker 600:37:13I'll take the rest of my questions offline. Thanks, Donovan. Thanks, Jonathan. Operator00:37:18Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to hand the conference over to Chad for closing comments. Speaker 200:37:27Thank you, operator. And again, I'd like to thank our employees and shareholders for their continued support. I'd also like to note that Ralph and I will continue to expand our investor marketing activities over the coming weeks months. If you would be interested in meeting at one of those events or at any time, please don't hesitate to reach out to myself, Ralph or the folks at Think IR. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning and thank you for attending today's PHX Minerals June 30, 2024 Quarter End Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines will be muted during the presentation of the call with an opportunity for a Q and A session at the end. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Stephen Lee with FNK IR. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us today to discuss PHX Minerals' June 30, 2024 quarterly results. Joining us on the call today are Chad Stephens, President and Chief Executive Officer Ralph D'Amico, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Danielle Mezzo, Vice President of Engineering. The earnings press release that was issued yesterday after the close is also posted on PHF's Investor Relations website. Before I turn the call over to Chad, I'd like to remind everyone that during today's call, including the Q and A session, management may make forward looking statements regarding expected revenue, earnings, future plans, opportunities and other expectations of the company. Speaker 100:01:16These estimates and other forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied on the call. These risks are detailed in PHX Minerals' most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks, as such, may be amended or supplemented by subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10 Q and other reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The statements made during this call are based upon information known to PHX as of today, August 8, 2024, and the company does not intend to update these forward looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise unless required by law. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Chad Stevens, PHX's Chief Executive Officer. Chad? Speaker 200:02:06Thanks, Stephen. And thanks to all of you on this call for participating in PHX's June 30, 2024 quarter end earnings conference call. We appreciate your interest in the company. The macro environment in which we are operating continues to be challenging. Commodity prices remain suppressed, total rig activity in the lower 48 is down, especially in the natural gas stations, while the supply demand fundamentals for both oil and gas appear to be nearing equilibrium. Speaker 200:02:38For natural gas, the pending demand from new LNG export facilities as well as increased demand for natural gas to meet growing AI generated power demand is clearly on the horizon. This forecasted increase in demand provides optimism reflected in the natural gas NYMEX strip price contango, longer dated prices higher than near term prices. Even in the near term rather challenging environment, which obviously includes the sudden onset of market volatility and interest rate uncertainty, PHX is achieving noticeable results. To put today's reported results in context, I would like to remind you that 4 years ago, PHX's production volume and reserve mix was almost 70% non op working interest and 30% royalty. Over the last 4 years, the company has divested of a material portion of its non op working interest. Speaker 200:03:40Today, that mix has flipped with royalty volumes and reserves representing approximately 90% and non op working interest about 10%. This has been consistent with our stated strategy to transition to a mineral only focus, which we have regularly communicated to the market. As we divested of the non op working interest, we redeployed the sale proceeds in the minerals in our core focus areas. During this 4 year transition, we were growing royalty volumes, achieving a CAGR for royalty volumes of almost 30%. But during this period of significant working interest divestiture, our total reported corporate volumes remain basically flat. Speaker 200:04:31Loyalty volume growth offset by working interest divestiture. For this June 30 quarter, two things really stand out. Total corporate volumes are highest quarterly volumes since Q2 of 2018, which reflects the successful replacement of the divested working interest volumes with high quality, high margin royalty interest volumes. 2, our continued steady annual royalty volume growth of that 30% I just spoke demonstrates the quality of minerals we have acquired that includes a deep inventory of undeveloped locations that are being actively developed and contributing to our annual volume growth. I call out slides 13, 14, and 15 in our most recent IR slide deck that explains this development of our undeveloped inventory. Speaker 200:05:28The impressive quarter over sequential quarter volume growth of about 40% that we are reporting this quarter is in part due to high interest, high impact wells turned to sales in both Haynesville and SCOOP of Oklahoma. Absent these somewhat anomalous wells, we would have still reported compelling double digit percent quarter over quarter volume growth from development across our portfolio, reflecting the quality of our deep undeveloped location inventory I just mentioned. The challenging environment highlights the flexibility of our business model and the ability to quickly allocate more capital toward reducing debt. Since year end 2023, the company has reduced debt from $32,750,000 to $28,750,000 providing a strong leverage metric under 1.5. Maintaining a strong balance sheet is a priority focus for us. Speaker 200:06:29Given the demonstrable value of our assets that we feel is not reflected in our stock price, every dollar of debt reduction should be a direct benefit to our equity value. This balance sheet focus includes an active hedging program to protect fixed costs and the ability to execute our annual budget. Ralph will provide more detail on hedges in a moment. We have also closed on approximately $3,500,000 of mineral acquisitions year to date in both the SCOOP and Haynesville with several other opportunities currently being evaluated. Another highlight this quarter is the Board's decision to increase our dividend by $0.01 a quarter or an annual increase of 33% to $0.16 per share. Speaker 200:07:17Since March 2020, we have now increased the dividend by 400%. This demonstrates the conviction management and the Board share in the ability to execute on our strategy and the quality of our existing assets regardless of the macro environment. As Danielle will discuss in a moment, activity on and around our minerals continue to drive year over year steady volume growth. We are especially excited about the material increase in development activity we are witnessing in our SpringBoard III area of the SCOOP in Oklahoma. To recap this quarter's highlights: A, highest corporate volume since 2018 B, quarter over quarter royalty volume increase of 46%, reduced debt by $4,000,000 or 12% and increased dividend by 33%, which represents a 400% increase since March of 2020. Speaker 200:08:16At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to Danielle to provide a quick operational overview and then Ralph to discuss the financials. Danielle? Speaker 300:08:26Thanks, Chad, and good morning to everyone participating on the call. For our quarter ended June 30, 2024, total corporate production increased 40% from the quarter ended March 31, 2024 to 2,968 millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters millimeters cfe. This represents the highest quarterly corporate production figure since the quarter ended June 30, 2018. Royalty production for the quarter increased 46% The volume increase during the quarter is primarily associated with several high interest, high impact Haynesville wells coming online. Recall that we mentioned during last quarter's call that we are expecting these wells to come online in the near term. Speaker 300:09:12While we have a number of other high interest wells currently in the process of being developed, it is challenging to estimate 1st production to any specific quarter. It is important to note that as a mineral holder, we do not control timing on well development, so there can be some volatility both up and down on a quarter to quarter basis and volumes associated with our business model are better evaluated on a rolling 12 month basis. Royalty volumes represented 91% of total production during our June 30, 2024 quarter. 83% of our quarter's production volumes were natural gas, which aligns with our long term position that natural gas is the key transition fuel for a sustainable energy future. Oil represented 10% of production volumes and NGL represented 7%. Speaker 300:09:58During Q2 2024, 3rd party operators active on our mineral acreage converted 55 gross or 0.4 net wells in progress or width to producing wells compared to 85 gross and 0.32 net in the prior sequential quarter. The higher net number compared to lower gross number reflects the high interest Haynesville wells mentioned earlier converting to production. We are very pleased with our well conversion rates, particularly given the challenging natural gas macro environment, which includes some operators deferring bringing wells online until there is an improvement in natural gas prices. At the same time, our inventory of wells in progress on our minerals, which includes DUCs, wells being drilled and permits filed, remains strong with 241 gross or 0.927 net wells compared to 230 gross or 1.099 net at the end of March 31, 2024. The continued track record of well conversions and replenishment of the inventory of wells in progress or WIPs reflects the high quality portfolio of assets we have assembled to provide steady, sustainable growth, future growth. Speaker 300:11:03In addition to our widths, we regularly monitor 3rd party operator rig activities in our focus areas and observed 15 rigs present on PHX Minerals acreage as of July 8, 2024. Additionally, we had 60 rigs active within 2.5 miles of PHX ownership. In summary, we continue to see steady development in both our legacy and recently acquired mineral assets, which should lead to annually increasing royalty volumes. Now I will turn the call back to Ralph to discuss financials. Speaker 400:11:31Thanks, Danielle, and thanks for everybody for being on the call today. For the Q2 ended June 30, 2024, natural gas, oil and NGL sales revenues increased 39% to $9,800,000 compared to the prior sequential quarter due primarily to an increase in production volumes of 40% and a decrease in realized prices of about 1% on an Mcfe basis to $3.31 from $3.35 in Q1 twenty twenty 4 were $2.05 per Mcf compared to $2.10 in Q1 2024. Realized oil prices averaged $77.38 up 2% from Q1 2024 and NGL prices averaged $23.75 up 10% from Q1 'twenty four. Realized hedge gains for the quarter were $1,180,000 approximately 38% of our natural gas, 25% of our oil and 0% of our NGL production volumes were hedged at average prices of $3.28 per Mcf $73.29 per barrel. Most of these hedge contracts were added over the course of the last 24 months. Speaker 400:12:57We continue to be consistent with our hedge program and believe it is doing what it is meant to do, protect us on the downside. Approximately 42% of our anticipated full year 2024 natural gas production at the midpoint of our guidance has downside protection at approximately $3.34 On the oil side, approximately 35% of our anticipated production at the midpoint of our guidance is downside protection at approximately $65.48 per barrel. We structure our natural gas hedges using both swaps and costless collars, which means that we also have upside exposure in certain volumes to the $4 to $5 range, while still maintaining floors in the $3 or above range. Our current hedge position is available in our recently filed 10 Q, which also includes some additional hedges, which we added during the quarter for the calendar 2025 period. Total production or total transportation, gathering and marketing fees increased 83% on a sequential quarterly basis to $1,540,000 primarily due to higher volumes coming on during the quarter. Speaker 400:14:14And it's also important to note that a significant amount of those new volumes come from cost bearing leases, which includes the mineral holder paying their proportionate share of the transportation gathering and marketing fees. Production and ad valorem taxes increased 52% on a sequential quarter over quarter basis to approximately $598,000 due to slightly higher prices and higher production volumes, primarily in Louisiana where taxes are based on volumes and not on revenues. LOE associated with our legacy non operated working interest wells decreased 11% on a sequential quarter basis to $294,000 primarily due to lower workover expenses. Cash G and A decreased 23 percent to $2,040,000 compared to the prior sequential quarter. Our cash G and A is typically higher in the 1st and 4th quarters calendar quarters of the year compared to the 2nd and third quarters due to professional fees and associated fees associated with items such as our 10 ks and our shareholder meeting. Speaker 400:15:23Adjusted EBITDA was up $6,400,000 in our Q2 2024 period compared to $4,600,000 in Q1 2024. The increase in EBITDA, as discussed earlier, is due to higher production volumes, lower cash G and A and the successful implementation of our hedging strategy, offset by the higher transportation gathering and marketing expenses and production taxes associated with the new wells that are from cost bearing leases coming online during the quarter. Net income for the quarter was $1,300,000 or $0.04 per diluted share. We had a total debt of $28,750,000 as of June 30, 2024, down 4,000,000 dollars from the $32,750,000 as of December 31, 2023. Our debt to trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA was 1.32x as of June 30, 2024. Speaker 400:16:20Much like last year, at this time when natural gas price fell, our acquisition program remains disciplined and if the deals in the marketplace do not generate a required return profile, we will not chase them. Also, it is important to note that we have an almost 7 year inventory of high quality drilling locations, which means that we can continue to perform and grow production without chasing acquisitions that do not meet our underwriting criteria. We are happy to build liquidity, pay down debt and return capital to our shareholders through our quarterly dividend. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Chad for some final remarks. Speaker 200:17:02Thank you, Ralph. We are very pleased with our achievements despite this challenging macro environment. The dramatic collapse in the natural gas prices in early 2023 and lingering at historic lows currently has had a material impact on natural gas E and P's development activities, especially in the Haynesville and Marcellus. As a mineral owner, we will also be impacted by this deferral. However, our business strategy is to acquire minerals in the core of our focus area with near term development potential. Speaker 200:17:36This can be seen by our continued steady well conversions that supports our expected future royalty volume growth despite these various headwinds. As I stated a moment ago, we have created demonstrable value over the last 4 years that is not reflected in our stock price. I will continually stress this supported by the portfolio we have built of high quality assets with improved cash margins, a mineral interest in a deep inventory of undeveloped drilling locations, which supply our well conversion and are categorized as probable reserves. This conversion rate, which Danielle discussed a moment ago and is explained in our IR slide presentation, has and will continue to drive increasing royalty volumes and cash flow over the next few years. As I did last quarter, I direct you to Slide 7 of our newly posted IR presentation that reflect a 2P PV-ten reserve value at current NYMEX trip prices of close to $300,000,000 This reserve value is validated by the independent technical work performed by our outside third party engineering firm, Colley Gillespie. Speaker 200:18:54If natural gas prices return to a more normal mid price cycle and driven by the growing demand catalyst to which I earlier referred, that PV-ten value reflected on slide 7 would be dramatically higher. We also show in the appendix of our IR presentation the timing of the new LNG export capacity from the Gulf Coast, which we continually emphasize. Once in service, this will help bring natural gas prices into that mid price to upper range and when increased operator activity, increase our royalty production volumes and cash flow. Since 2020 and to date, we have spent approaching 140,000,000 dollars acquiring our current mineral position in the SCOOP and Haynesville. PHX's current enterprise value is roughly 145,000,000 with a PV-ten reserve value I mentioned earlier of around $300,000,000 We recognize this disconnect between these facts and our current stock price, which I continue to stress. Speaker 200:19:57We will work every day searching for the best way to reward our shareholders and close this gap. As always, I thank both our employees and Board of Directors for their dedication and hard work. This concludes the prepared remarks portion of the call. Operator, please open up the queue for questions. Operator00:20:18Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. The first question is from Charles Meade with Johnson Rice. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:08Good morning, Chad, to you and Ralph, Danielle and the rest of the PHX team there. You guys, I think, are justifiably pleased with the way that 2Q turned out, especially you've mentioned that it's record production since 2Q 'eighteen. Speaker 600:21:30So the roll of the Speaker 500:21:31dice certainly winch your way this quarter, if that's a workable metaphor. But what I'm curious about is how much of an outlier is this quarter? I mean, you could frame it in any way you want, but maybe one way of thinking about it is, is this a once in every 4 quarter kind of result or is this a once in every 16 quarter kind of result? And I know you might not be able to precise there, but if you could just guide our interpretation of really this great quarterly result you just put up. Speaker 200:22:08Yes. I can say, Charles, that looking over the last 4 years and that compounded annual growth rate royalty growth rate of close to 30% speaks to that pace of development that's feeding that growth and that growth is coming from our undeveloped inventory of locations that are being developed quarter over quarter year over year. So what's happened in the past will continue to happen in the future, maybe not to the magnitude it was this particular quarter, but we are pleased with and will continue to see this steady quarter over quarter year over year is focused on the royalty volume growth, not necessarily the corporate. I tried to differentiate between the 2 in my opening comments. But we're excited obviously about this outlying quarter. Speaker 200:23:04But we continue to see the pace of development that we've seen in the past going forward and we'll continue to see this similar quarter over quarter and year over year royalty volume growth. Ralph, do you want to Operator00:23:17add to that? Speaker 400:23:18Yes. I think that's well said. And the only thing I would add is that, look, I mean, obviously, there were some high interest wells that came on during the quarter, but I don't believe that that's abnormal. It's a matter of when they come on. I mean, we have I think as Danielle mentioned, we have several other high interest wells, high impact wells similar to these that are in the process of being developed. Speaker 400:23:43Obviously, as we mentioned, we don't control timing, so it's hard to pinpoint what specific quarter. But there's no doubt that their operator is spending money on similar wells to these on our minerals where we own similar percentages of the well as we speak here today. So it's just a matter of time and as we talked about, you kind of have to look at it over several quarters, not just at one particular point in time. Speaker 500:24:10Got it. Thank you for that. And then, if I could kind of maybe go further afield with my second question, stepping away from the Haynesville, the SCOOP, my understanding there's been an uptick in activity from a lot of private operators in the Western Anadarko, targeting the Cherokee sale. And more recently, there's a public company made an acquisition in the Cherokee Shale. And then when I look at your Slide 5, it looks to me like you might have some exposure to that play. Speaker 500:24:44So could you kind of quantify that or maybe characterize what kind of activity you might be seeing around anything you hold out there? Speaker 200:24:56Yes, we've watched that. We do have some legacy minerals out there. And as it's matured, as the play has matured and become derisked, we've kind of done a little kind of get our toe in the water, so to speak, test the waters to acquire some minerals. And it's gotten already so frothy out there that it just doesn't meet our economics. So we've not had any real success in being able to acquire, consolidate some minerals out there. Speaker 200:25:33But it is a real play, yes. And it's I think that acquisition speaks to the credibility and the validity of it, but it's already, from a mineral perspective, has already gotten pretty frothy. So we're going to step back and just kind of watch from the sidelines. Speaker 400:25:55So we're not focused on acquiring additional minerals there, but we do have a substantial amount of minerals in that area. And we've seen a significant number of well development on certain sections that we own in, including some high interest sections where we had quite a few minerals. And we've also seen a step up in the leasing activity on our non producing minerals in the area as well. So we're not adding to it, but you're correct Charles, we have some good exposure to it and we will certainly benefit from that additional industry activity there. Operator00:26:38Thank you. The next question is from Jeff Grampp with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:26:47Yes. Thanks for the time. Speaker 200:26:49Hi, Speaker 700:26:49Jeff. Curious to if you guys could take out your crystal balls for me here. Obviously, the guide implies some declines in the back half of the year, which not at all surprising given what you guys reported here in Q2. But when do you guys think that potentially bottoms again? I know you kind of have to build back up that activity funnel, still at a solid level, but you've kind of been drawn down on it for a couple of quarters. Speaker 700:27:14I mean, can the start of 'twenty five resume that sequential growth or how do you guys potentially see the next several quarters playing out as best you can kind of see it today? Speaker 200:27:27Ralph, why don't you start to answer? Speaker 400:27:31Sure. So, yes, I mean, look, I mean, I think, as we look at the next 12 months, we continue to see activity. And while the wells in progress inventory got drawn down a little bit, I would say, again, it's one of those things where we use sixthirty data, it's at one point in time. I would tell you that if you were to look at the number today, it's already higher, right. So what that means is that the operators are continuing to permit new locations on our minerals, right, and they're continuing to convert, right. Speaker 400:28:14So I think that even if we maintain the same pace over the next 12 months, maybe a little bit higher as we've seen over the last several quarters, right, 25 should look better than 24 from a volume standpoint. Obviously, it's very dependent upon commodity prices and what the operators decide to do, which we don't control, right. So there's a big if there. But on what we see today, we're very optimistic that over several quarters, you're going to continue to see that upward trend. Speaker 200:28:49And let's just remind Jeff, just to remind you, over the last 4 years, as I was answering Charles' question and as you talk about what we're thinking around 2025, all of this royalty volume growth, I highlight that word, is on top of what's kind of a corporate royalty decline rate for us in excess of 25%. So, we're able to replace that decline rate and grow our royalty volume reserves because of the quality of this inventory I keep kind of highlighting. Does that make sense? Speaker 700:29:32Yes, absolutely. And I understand there's no perfect answer there, but appreciate the details and thoughts. My follow-up is more on the modeling guidance side. You guys made some revisions on the GP and T guidance front. Is that something it sounded like Ralph, I think you hit on that that just kind of depends upon the structure of these specific royalty assets that are driving production in any given quarter. Speaker 700:29:57Is there a way for us on the outside to really take that into account or kind of get a handle on that as we kind of build our modeling? Or is this just something that's kind of idiosyncratic depending upon any given quarter and kind of the makeup of the assets that kind of build up to that production? Speaker 400:30:17Yes. It's perfectly imperfect in the sense that that's why we kind of give you a range, right, because on any particular quarter, if you have 2 cost free wells, 2 cost free lease wells coming online instead of 2, I'm not making up a number, 2 cost bearing wells coming online, that number can shift one way or the other, right, because particularly if they're high interest wells. So clearly, some of these wells that came on are cost bearing and that's what drove those numbers and they came online a little bit sooner than what we had expected, which is sort of driving us moving that number up because more of the year will have the impact of having to pay those expenses from those additional volumes. Speaker 700:31:12Okay, understood. That makes sense and I appreciate the details. Thank you, guys. Speaker 200:31:17Thanks, Chip. Operator00:31:19Thank you. The next question is from Donovan Shafer with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:27Hey guys, thanks for taking the questions. So first I want to ask, you described the and congratulations on the quarter. This is when you said that you're going to return to growth Now that you've completed this 4 year transformation, you were not kidding as this particular quarter shows. So well done there. But I want to say, you talk about the there are some somewhat anomalous wells this quarter in the sense of being high interest, but you also say high impact. Speaker 600:32:03And is that just kind of like synonymous or saying because they're high interest, it has a high impact on the financials? Or was there some other attribute in the wells? I mean, were they unusually exceptionally prolific wells that just performed fantastically well? And you seem to kind of know in advance, I mean, you would know that there were high interest, but did you were you able to anticipate that this was just like a really attractive area of the Haynesville and you say you knew these were going to be some very juicy prolific wells coming online or did they just turn Speaker 400:32:38out Yes, no, I think I think Donovan, I think so the answer is, so the Haynesville wells, right, relative to wells in Oklahoma come in at a much higher rate. So if you have and we had a combination of high interest wells in both places come online, right. But clearly, the Haynesville wells come in at a much higher rate than an Oklahoma well, right? And so the more Haynesville wells you have come online relative to Oklahoma, the more impact you're going to have, right? So if I have if this quarter, if you flip flopped it, right, and you had more Oklahoma wells versus Haynesville wells, the volume would have been a little bit lower, right? Speaker 400:33:25So that's the point that Chad was trying to make earlier that if you normalize that, sort of the high impact part of it, right, and you try to normalize and sort of say what would it be if it was sort of more evenly spread, you still would have seen the highest quarter since 2018 from a volume standpoint and you still would have seen substantial growth on a sequential quarter basis. So, it's that's what we mean by it. Depending on the location, you can have higher 1st 3 months of production versus other areas. Speaker 600:34:04Okay. That's helpful. And then kind of related to that, and I understand what you're saying with the Haynesville wells that they come on so strong. And this kind of I think maybe ties a little bit into Jeff's question, like the guidance, the increase in the guidance, but then you've got these this quarter, some of that's reflective of these wells that come on so strong, but also decline quite quickly. Chad, you mentioned you've got a greater than 25% annual decline rate in these wells that you've got the royalty interest. Speaker 600:34:40So when I kind of take that together and I just looking at and kind of playing with my own model, it seems like without even really raising what I had in for Q3, Q4 type estimates, just putting in what you guys did this quarter, I kind of end up landing pretty darn close to kind of the midpoint of the revised guidance, which makes it seem almost as though you're not allowing for much of a contribution from these wells in this quarter to carry forward. Could this be my modeling error or whatever, but is there a certain amount of conservatism in here where you're really expecting the Haynesville wells to come down pretty quickly or pretty aggressively? Or is it some conservatism? Or do you feel like that's pretty spot on exactly where it should be in terms of guidance? Speaker 400:35:36We try to normalize all the quarters, right, so that to try to get out of these peaks and valleys, right? And so by definition, there's a layer of conservatism embedded in that. Speaker 600:35:48Yes. And you talk about the lumpiness. And so who the heck knows each quarter can have, for lack of a better word, like a roll of the dice ish quality. And so in theory, given that this is anomalously an anomalously incremental step up for a single quarter, you could see some anomalous lesser number of like new wells coming on or something. And so I get what you're saying. Speaker 600:36:18Okay. Okay. And then I want to ask for in the past you guys have been recompletions, other things where you're doing you're shutting in some offset wells. Just curious if you have any visibility on anything like that going on, anything to just as like a heads up to be aware of in terms of potentials for currently producing wells to be shut in for offset completions? Speaker 300:36:49No. As of yet, and I'm sorry, this is Danielle. We have not really seen a big impact from that as of late. We have actually seen some positive impact from completions of the offsets, particularly in the Haynesville. So as far as shut in wells long term, no, we're not really seeing that at the moment. Speaker 600:37:09Okay. That's great. Great to hear. Okay, well, congratulations on the quarter. Thank you, guys. Speaker 600:37:13I'll take the rest of my questions offline. Thanks, Donovan. Thanks, Jonathan. Operator00:37:18Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to hand the conference over to Chad for closing comments. Speaker 200:37:27Thank you, operator. And again, I'd like to thank our employees and shareholders for their continued support. I'd also like to note that Ralph and I will continue to expand our investor marketing activities over the coming weeks months. If you would be interested in meeting at one of those events or at any time, please don't hesitate to reach out to myself, Ralph or the folks at Think IR. We look forward to hosting our next call in early November to discuss our Q3 2024 results. Speaker 200:37:55Thank you. Have a good day.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by