General Dynamics Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 8, 2024

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning, and welcome to the Cogent Communications Holdings 2nd Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded and it will be available for replay at ww w.cogentco.com. A transcript of this conference call will be posted on Cogent's website when it becomes available. Cogent's summary of financial and operational results attached to its press release can be downloaded from the Cogent website. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr.

Operator

Dave Schafer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Cogent Communications Holdings.

Speaker 1

Hey, good morning, and thanks, everyone, for joining today's call. Welcome to our Q2 2024 earnings conference call. I'm Dave Schafer, Cogent's Chief Executive Officer. With me on this morning's call is Tad Weed, our Chief Financial Officer. Hopefully, you've had a chance to review our earnings press release.

Speaker 1

This release includes a number of historical metrics that we present on a consistent basis each quarter. Now for a couple of comments on activity in the quarter. In the quarter, we had 2 debt transactions. On May 2, we closed the issuance of our inaugural $206,000,000 asset backed securitization of our IPV4 notes at 7.9%. These notes mature in 5 years and may be extended for up to a 30 year term.

Speaker 1

This securitization transaction was the first ever of IPv4 lease revenue. We are the owners of approximately 37,800,000 IPv4 addresses. We acquired 27,900,000 of these addresses when we purchased PSI Net and other acquisitions in the early 2000s. We further enhanced our portfolio when we acquired 9,900,000 additional IPv4 addresses in May of 2023 as part of our acquisition of the Sprint Global Markets Group from T Mobile. On June 11, we closed the issuance of our $300,000,000 7 Percent unsecured notes.

Speaker 1

These are mirrored notes. These notes have identical terms to our existing $450,000,000 2027 notes. We use $114,600,000 of the proceeds from this offering to prepay a dark fiber IRU finance lease at a 12% discount rate, saving $15,600,000 in cash. This IRU Dark Fiber lease had monthly cash payments of $4,200,000 a month through 2026, all of which have been eliminated and therefore materially improving our cash flow through December of 2026. We are leasing approximately $12,800,000 of our IPV4 addresses out for a monthly revenue run rate of $3,600,000 per month at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 1

We securitized 3,100,000 dollars of these leases in our IPv4 seconduritization. 11 point 1,000,000 of the leased addresses and 1,400,000 unreleased addresses were part of that securitization transaction. The IPv4 Internet addresses are a finite resource. The market price of these addresses has substantially increased over the past several years. In the quarter, we also purchased some of our stock back.

Speaker 1

In June of 2024, we took advantage of market volatility. We purchased 153,000 shares of our common stock back for a cost of $8,000,000 at an average price of $51.97 We have $22,400,000 remaining in our authorization for share repurchases through December of 2024. Now for a comment on expected cost savings. We are in the process of realizing significant cost savings and synergies through the integration of the Sprint assets with the Cogent network. Based upon differences between monthly cost run rates at closing in May of 2023 and the monthly cost run rate in June of 2024, we have realized an annualized savings rate of $135,000,000 This represents 62% of our targeted cost savings of $220,000,000 over a 3 year period.

Speaker 1

Now for some summary results for the quarter. We did have a very good quarter. Our revenue for the quarter was $260,400,000 Foreign exchange had a negative sequential impact of $300,000 and changes in USF tax rates had a sequential negative impact of 1,400,000 dollars on our quarterly revenues. Adjusting for these two negative impacts of $1,700,000 our sequential revenue did decline by 1.5%, primarily due to the decline in our non core products and the management out of low margin off net services. Our on net revenues increased sequentially by 1.5% in the quarter to 140,800,000 dollars Revenues under our commercial services agreement with T Mobile increased sequentially by 2 point $7,000,000 to $5,900,000 in the quarter.

Speaker 1

Traffic on our network increased sequentially by 1.9% and was up 17.4% on a year over year basis. Our off net revenues did decrease by 5.7 percent to $111,500,000 due to the continued elimination of these low margin services. Our non core revenues, which generally carry negative gross margin, declined by $1,400,000 to $4,600,000 in the quarter. And then finally, while we have not completed the reconfiguration of the Sprint network, we have installed some wave services. Our wave revenue increased modestly by 9% sequentially quarter over quarter to $3,600,000 and that represents actually a 128.7% increase on a year over year basis.

Speaker 1

We expect this to materially accelerate starting in early 2025 as we will complete the network integration and optimization for Wave services by year end. Our EBITDA as adjusted was $106,200,000 and our EBITDA as adjusted margin was 40.8 percent for the quarter. In accordance with our IP transit services agreement with T Mobile, we received 3 payments in the quarter totaling $66,700,000 This compares to the 3 payments we received in Q1 of 87,500,000 dollars The payments in this quarter included $2,29,200,000 payments and $1,800,000 payment. An additional 41 payments are expected to be made by T Mobile each of $8,300,000 a quarter continuing through November of 2027. Our Sprint acquisition costs in the quarter were $12,400,000 Included in this cost and a significant portion of it was the $8,000,000 in final severance reimbursements that were paid to former T Mobile employees.

Speaker 1

And these costs are fully reimbursable by T Mobile. We achieved significant cost reductions both in our cost of goods sold and our SG and A in the quarter. Our SG and A decreased by $5,000,000 or 7.1 percent from the previous quarter and decreased by $12,500,000 or 16.1 percent from Q2 of 2023. SG and A as a percentage of our revenue decreased to 25% in the Q2 from 26 0.3% in the previous quarter. Our cost of goods sold decreased by 12 point $7,000,000 or 7.8 percent on a sequential basis from Q1 2024 as we continue to reduce network costs and bring off net traffic on net.

Speaker 1

We finalized the purchase accounting associated with our acquisition of the Sprint Global Markets Group. And this quarter, we received an additional final gain in our bargain purchase, bringing that total bargain purchase gain to $1,400,000,000 Our gross debt to trailing last 12 months EBITDA as adjusted ratio was 4.06 at the end of the quarter, and our net debt ratio did reduce in the quarter from 3.17x EBITDA to 3 point one four. We ended the quarter with $426,200,000 in cash and cash equivalents on our balance sheet. Now for a comment on our sales force. Our sales rep productivity was 4 units in Q1 per rep per month and 3.8 units installed per rep full time equivalent per month in Q2.

Speaker 1

In conjunction with the Sprint acquisition, we hired 942 employees. At quarter end, 6.55 of these employees remain employed with us. Now for a couple of comments on our optical transport and wave services. In connection with the acquisition of the Sprint JMG business, we expanded our product offering to include optical wavelength services and optical transport services over our fiber network. We are selling these wavelength services to existing customers as well as new customers.

Speaker 1

These customers require dedicated optical transport without the capital and ongoing expense of owning and operating their own infrastructure. As of today, we have connectivity and wavelength capability services in 574 locations. However, our provisioning cycles remain elongated at about 90 days. We intend to substantially reduce that provisioning time as we complete the network optimization programs by year end. We have sold Wavelengths in 156 locations.

Speaker 1

By year end 2024, we expect to be able to offer Wavelength services in over 800 North American locations with substantially reduced provisioning cycles. We have a significant backlog and funnel of wave opportunities representing over 2,700 unique wavelengths. Our Sprint acquisition materially expanded our data center footprint. To date, we have reconfigured 34 of the Sprint acquired facilities and added these new data centers to the 1602 carrier neutral and 86 data centers that Cogent operates. The Cogent data centers today have 164 megawatts of protected power.

Speaker 1

We are decommissioning some legacy Cogent data centers and lease facilities where they are redundant with these simple own facilities that we acquired from Sprint. We are in the process of converting an additional 18 Sprint former Sprint facilities into Cogent data centers and we'll continue to optimize our portfolio. With regard to dividends, our Board of Directors reflected on the strong cash flow generating capabilities, investment opportunities and decided once again to increase our quarterly regular dividend sequentially by $0.01 a share, raising our quarterly dividend from $0.975 per share to $0.985 per share. This represents the 48th consecutive sequential quarter where we have grown our dividend. Our dividend growth rate is now at an annualized rate of 4.2%.

Speaker 1

Now for long term expectations. Now that we have combined the Sprint and Cogent Networks and Operations, we anticipate our long term annual growth rates to be between 5% 7% and EBITDA's adjusted margins to expand by approximately 100 basis points annually. Our revenue and EBITDA guidance are intended to be multiyear targets and are not intended to be used for specific quarterly or annual targets. Our EBITDA as adjusted and leverage ratios are impacted by the $700,000,000 IP transit agreement we entered into with T Mobile. In accordance with this agreement, beginning in June of 20 24, we began receiving cash payments of $29,200,000 per month for 12 months.

Speaker 1

And then those payments step down for the next 42 months to $8,300,000 a month and continue through November of 20 27. The reduction in monthly cash payments will impact our EBITDA as adjusted and leverage ratios, which are measured on a trailing 12 month basis. Now I'd like to turn it over to Ted to read Safe Harbor language and give us some additional operating metrics on the business.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. This earnings conference call includes forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are based upon our current intent, belief and expectations. These forward looking statements and all other statements that may be made on this call that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially. Please refer to our SEC filings for more information on the factors that could cause actual results to differ.

Speaker 2

Cogent undertakes no obligation to update or revise our forward looking statements. If we use non GAAP financial measures during this call, you will find these reconciled to the corresponding GAAP measurement in our earnings releases that are posted on our website at cogenco.com. We analyze our revenues based upon network connection type, which is on net, off net, wavelength services and non core services. And we also analyze our revenues based upon customer type. We classify our customers into 3 types, NetCentric customers, corporate customers and enterprise customers.

Speaker 2

Comments on the corporate business for the quarter. Our corporate business represented 45.9% of our revenues for the quarter and our corporate revenue grew by 7.7% year over year, but decreased sequentially by 4.3%. The sequential decrease was due to the continued grooming of low margin off net connections and the elimination of non core products. We had 48,690 corporate customer connections on our network at the end of the quarter. For the quarter, the sequential impact of negative USF on our revenues was minus 1,400,000 dollars On NetCentric, our NetCentric business continues to benefit from continued growth in video traffic, activity related to AI or artificial intelligence, streaming and wavelength sales.

Speaker 2

Our NetCentric business represented 35% of our revenues this quarter and grew by 4% year over year and by 4.5% on a constant currency basis, but declined sequentially by 0.9%. We had 61,736 NetCentric customer connections on our network at quarter end. Our network traffic for the quarter, as Dave mentioned, increased by 1.9% sequentially and was up by 17.4% year over year. On enterprise, our enterprise business represented 19.1% of our revenues this quarter and was $49,800,000 We had 18,356 enterprise customer connections at the end of the quarter and our enterprise revenue increased by 20.8% year over year and increased sequentially by 0.9%. On revenue and customer connections by network type and on net revenue.

Speaker 2

We serve our on net customers and our 3,000 386 total on net multi tenant office and carrier neutral data center buildings. We continue to succeed in selling larger 100 gigabit connections and 400 gigabit connections and care under 2 data centers. And we also sell 10 gigabit connections in selected multi tenant office buildings. Selling these larger connections has the impact of increasing our on net ARPU, which occurred again this quarter. Our on net revenue was $140,800,000 for the quarter, a year over year increase of 10.3% and a sequential increase of 1.5%.

Speaker 2

Our on net customer connections were 87,387@quarterend. On off net revenue, our off net revenue was $111,500,000 for the quarter, year over year increase of 9.3% and a sequential decrease of 5.7%. Again, the sequential decline in our off net revenue was partially impacted by our migration of certain off net customers to on net and more importantly, the continued grooming and termination of low margin off net customer contracts. Our off net customer connections were 32,758 atquarterend. Our Wavelength revenue was $3,600,000 for the quarter.

Speaker 2

That was a sequential increase of 9% and a year over year increase of 128 0.7%. Our wavelength customer connections were 754 at the end of the quarter, which was an 8.8% sequential increase. Some comments on IPV4, our leasing revenue. Our IPV4 leasing business had an excellent quarter. We were leasing $12,800,000 of addresses at the end of the quarter and that was a 4.9% increase in leased addresses from last quarter.

Speaker 2

Our IPV for leased revenue increased by 4.4% from last quarter to $10,700,000 Our average revenue per IPV4 address sold for the quarter was $0.51 per address and that is a very material increase from our base at the beginning of the quarter for all addresses that was approximately $0.30 Lastly, our non core revenue was $4,600,000 for the quarter. That was a sequential decrease of $1,400,000 or 23.7 percent as we're ending these non core products. Non core customer connections were 7,883@quarterend, a sequential decline of 21.5%. Some comments on pricing, ARPU and churn. Our average price per megabit for our installed base decreased sequentially by 5% to $0.25 Our average price per megabit for new customer contracts was $0.12 which actually was an increase of 13 0.5%.

Speaker 2

ARPU. Our on net ARPU increased from the impact of selling larger connections. Our off net ARPU slightly decreased. Our on net ARPU increased sequentially by 2.1% from $525,000,000 to $536,000,000 On a year over year basis, it was an increase of 11% from $483,000,000 from Q2 of last year. Our off net ARPU slightly decreased sequentially from $1,106 to $1,103.

Speaker 2

Year over year that was a decrease of 14 0.7% it was $12.94 last year. Our wavelength ARPU increased by 2% and was $16.70 this quarter that was $16.38 last quarter. Our average revenue per IPV for address sold again was $0.51 per address for the quarter, again a significant increase from $0.30 from the base at the beginning. On churn, our on net unit monthly churn rate was stable as 1.4 percent, the same as last quarter. Our off net churn rate did tick up 2.3% this quarter, 2.1% last quarter.

Speaker 2

Again, we continue to groom and terminate low margin off net contracts. EBITDA and EBITDA margin. We reconcile our EBITDA to our cash flow from operations in each of our quarterly press releases. Our EBITDA increased sequentially by $8,700,000 and our EBITDA margin increased sequentially by 350 basis points to 10.4%. This is EBITDA Classic.

Speaker 2

EBITDA as adjusted and as adjusted margin. And as a reminder, our EBITDA as adjusted is adjusted for Sprint acquisition costs and cash payments received under the $700,000,000 IP Transit Services Agreement with T Mobile. We collected $66,700,000 under the IP Transit Services agreement this quarter. As was scheduled decline, it was $87,500,000 under the same agreement last quarter. Our EBITDA as adjusted was $106,200,000 for the quarter and that was a 40.8% margin.

Speaker 2

We incurred $12,400,000 of Sprint non capital acquisition costs this quarter, an increase from $9,000,000 last quarter, largely due the end of the severance payments. Included in Sprint acquisition costs for the quarter were $8,000,000 of reimbursed severance costs and last quarter included in the $9,000,000 that was $4,300,000 These severance costs are paid by us, but are fully reimbursed by T Mobile. Under U. S. GAAP, the accounting for these severance costs needs to be retroactively reported as an acquired receivable asset in purchase accounting at closing and that results in an increase to our acquired assets and a corresponding increase to our gain on bargain purchase.

Speaker 2

Again, the total gain after the 1 year window for adjustments was 1,400,000,000 dollars When we pay the severance to an employee, we record this transaction as Sprint acquisition costs. When we reimbursed by T Mobile, the opening balance sheet receivable from T Mobile is reduced from the cash payment. This is the final quarter for so this is now behind us. Foreign currency impact. Our revenue earned outside of the United States is reported in U.

Speaker 2

S. Dollars and was approximately 17% of our revenues for the quarter. About 11% of our revenues were based in Europe and 6% of our revenues were related to our Canadian, Mexican, Oceanic, South American and African operations. The average euro to USD rate so far this quarter is $1.09 and the average Canadian dollar rate is $0.73 Should these average rates remain at these current levels, we do not expect a material FX impact both sequentially and on a year over year basis. Customer concentration.

Speaker 2

We believe that our revenue and customer base is not very highly concentrated. Our top 20 5 customers were about 20% of our revenues for the quarter. On capital expenditures, Our quarterly capital expenditures were $48,800,000 this quarter. We are continuing our network integration of the former Sprint network and legacy Cogent network into 1 unified network and converting former Sprint switch sites into Cogent data centers. We have accelerated our data center conversion program due to the very high level of demand for our power availability.

Speaker 2

Our finance lease IRU obligations are for long term dark fiber leases. Our IRU finance lease obligations were $426,400,000 at the end of the quarter. That was a reduction of $91,100,000 from last quarter. The significant decrease from last quarter resulted from the early prepayment at a discount of $114,600,000 dollars under the IRU lease, partly offset by replacement IRU route cancellations for new routes of $42,200,000 for the quarter. We have a very diverse set of IRU suppliers and we have contracts with 356 dark fiber suppliers at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 2

At quarter end, our cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash totaled $426,200,000 Of our total $41,800,000 of restricted cash, dollars 35,500,000 of that was tied to the swap and $6,300,000 which is new was tied to the customer payment processing requirements under our IPV form notes. Debt and debt ratios. Our total gross debt at par including our finance lease obligations was $1,900,000,000 at the end of the quarter and net debt was 1,500,000,000 dollars Our total gross debt to last 12 months EBITDA as adjusted ratio was 4.06@quarterend and net was 3.14. Our consolidated leverage revenue ratio rather as calculated under our notes was 4.5 and our secured leverage ratio as calculated under our note indentures was 2.49. Some further comments on the swap.

Speaker 2

We are party to an interest rate swap agreement that modifies our fixed interest rate obligation with our $500,000,000 2026 notes to a variable interest obligation based on SOPR and that is for the remaining term of these 2026 notes. The fair value of our swap agreement decreased by $9,300,000 rather from last quarter and was $35,500,000 Changes in the fair value of the swap agreement are now required to be classified in our public filings with interest expense. As of today, the value of our swap agreement was $30,900,000 so it's declined. Lastly, on bad debt and day sales outstanding. Our day sales improved from last quarter and was 26 days versus 27 of last quarter.

Speaker 2

Bad debt expense was $2,900,000 1.1 percent of revenues. That's consistent with our historical performance. And I want to again thank and recognize our worldwide billing and collections team members for continuing to do just a fantastic job serving our coaching customers. And with that, I will turn the call back to Dave.

Speaker 1

Hey, thanks, Tad. I'd like to highlight a few of the strengths of our network, our customer base and our sales force. In our NetCentric business, we continue to see significant traffic growth from our customer base. We are the direct beneficiaries of over the top video, AI activity and streaming. At quarter end, we have over 1602 carrier neutral data centers connected 2 to 1688, more than any other carrier globally as measured by 3rd party independent research.

Speaker 1

The breadth of our coverage enables our NetCentric customers to better optimize their networks and reduce latency. We expect we'll continue to widen this lead in the market and are projected to add over an additional 100 carrier neutral data centers per year to our network over the next several years. With an extended provisioning cycle, we can sell wavelengths today in 574 locations. We are slow to do that because we are focused on the optimization of our network and therefore the shortening of our visioning cycles across the entire base. By year end 2024, we expect to be able to sell Waveline Services in over 800 carrier neutrals in North America with very reduced provisioning intervals.

Speaker 1

At quarter end, we directly connected to 1,000 or 8,100 and 35 networks. 23 of these networks are peers and 11 12 of these networks are Cogent transit customers. This makes Cogent the most interconnected network globally. This collection of ISPs, telephone companies, cable companies and mobile phone operators allow us to reach the vast majority of the world's broadband subscribers and mobile phone users directly. We remain focused on our sales force, productivity and efficacy and continue to manage out underperforming reps.

Speaker 1

Our sales force turnover rate was 5.6% per month for the quarter, down from a peak of 8 point 7% during the height of the pandemic and in line with our average sales force turnover rate historically of 5 point 6%. At quarter's end, we had 280 salespeople focused exclusively on the NetCentric market, 364 sales professionals focused on the corporate market and twelve sales reps focused on the enterprise space. We remain optimistic about our unique position in serving small and midsized businesses in central business districts. We have 1864 multi tenant office buildings on net with over 1,000,000,000 square feet. We also remain focused on selling to large enterprises and are continuing to grow that business.

Speaker 1

We are enthusiastic and optimistic about the addition of optical transport services or wavelengths to our product portfolio and the expansion of our data center footprint. We have a significant backlog and funnel of these wave opportunities at over 2,700 discrete wavelengths. And while we have accentuated provisioning cycles, we hope that with the network reconfiguration work, we can bring these orders installed in much shorter times by year end. We are diligently working to complete the integration of the Sprint network and the Cogent network and the optimization. We remain optimistic and excited about our ability to create cost savings and generate increasing amounts of cash flow.

Speaker 1

Based on the differences between monthly cost run rates at May of 2023 June of 2024, we have already achieved $135,000,000 of these savings or 62% of our targeted 2 $20,000,000 in savings. We purchased $8,000,000 of our common stock at the end of the quarter and still have $22,400,000 for additional buybacks if warranted. We look to continue to monetize our IPv4 addresses, dark fiber and our data center spaces on a wholesale and retail basis and are willing to either sell or enter into long term leases for many of these facilities over the next several years. We remain in active discussion with multiple counterparties for multiple sites. With that, I'd like to open the floor for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And your first question comes from the line of Sebastiano Petti with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hi. Thank you for taking the question. Dave, just starting with EBITDA Classic, I mean, you realized 62% of the targeted cost savings you just touched on, which is like to provide a tailwind and continue to groom or exit unprofitable contracts. Just help us think about expectations for EBITDA Classic margin expansion. Is that something maybe we can kind of continue to see here off of the 10.4% in the Q2 of 2024?

Speaker 3

And then relate separately, you may have heard that a competitor recently announced dark fiber deals totaling $5,000,000,000 In the past, you talked about dark fiber and today is a longer term kind of opportunity perhaps after you stand up and scale the waves opportunity. I guess first, are you surprised by that announcement? And does this in any way change how you're thinking about the speed to market on a dark fiber basis? And how are you positioned to maybe get a piece of that action? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Sure. Hey, thanks for both questions, Sebastiano. So let me take the EBITDA classic question first. We had significant improvement sequentially in that due to the reduction in our SG and A as well as cost of goods sold. We understand that the IP transit payments from T Mobile are continuing to step down.

Speaker 1

In the quarter, we had effectively a $20,000,000 reduction in those payments, but our EBITDA as adjusted was down only $9,000,000 due to the improvements in the underlying classic EBITDA rate. We expect that trend to continue. We understand that in the Q3, we will only be receiving 3 of the $8,300,000 payments. So we have effectively another $40,000,000 of headwind to EBITDA as adjusted. We will continue to see improvement in EBITDA Classic, the underlying costs due to these grooming and cost synergy programs, probably at a similar pace to what we saw from Q1 to Q2.

Speaker 1

And I think you'll see that similar pacing Q2 to Q3 and even Q3 to Q4 and continuing on. As we add Wavelength revenue, which carries very high contribution margins, we'll see a further acceleration in the EBITDA Classic number due to the fact that those wavelength services are virtually all on net. And now that's probably a decent transition into the second question. We have been very clear about our targeted market for Wavelengths and our strategy of being very aggressive in gaining market share. We think we have a number of competitive advantages, whether it be ubiquity, speed of provisioning or reliability once installed and uniqueness of routes.

Speaker 1

I actually think what was announced by our competitor was more of a defensive action as a result to our entry into the market. That particular competitor had been very reluctant to sell dark fiber. In fact, on multiple occasions, regretted the fact that it had sold 12,900 miles of dark fiber to Cogent, enabling a competitor. We, in fact, intend to give that fiber back as we migrate off of that fiber and on to the facilities we acquired from Sprint. We also know that we have excess capacity on our network for Dark Fiber.

Speaker 1

Now we will sell Dark Fiber. I think we do have a significant opportunity. I think our routes are unique, but we have been reluctant to do so until we have done the wave enablement of our network. The competitor, I think, you mentioned, derives a significant portion of its cash flow from Wavelengths. They dominate the Wavelength market.

Speaker 1

And I think their change in position and willingness to sell Dark Fiber was a direct result to maybe the acknowledgment that the market is going to become much more competitive with Cogent's entrance. The final point to that is, we have had many of the same customers who have placed wavelength orders with us. We provision some of those orders and we've actually said no to some orders. Many of the hyperscalers are building proprietary single tenant data centers where they want wavelength services. We have refused to deploy capital at low single digit returns where we would be subject to the monopsony power of that single tenant in that location.

Speaker 1

So, we will not go out and build to a specific sole tenanted facility unless there is sufficient derisking in the form of upfront payments, higher returns and also long term contracts. I think what was announced the other day by this competitor was an acceptance of terms that we found on economic.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Greg Williams with TD Cowen.

Speaker 4

Your line is open. Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Gabe, just wanted to talk about waves. It came in a little light at 3,600,000, but you did say it will ramp up early 2025 and you're going to reach the 800 data centers by year end.

Speaker 4

But we've only got 156 locations sold that you can squeeze to by the end of June. And you've got a long way to go with less than 5 months to get to 800. So just help us feel comfortable with ramping up to the 800 wave data centers. And part and parcel to that, the backlog that you mentioned of 2,700 circuits, can we apply the ARPU on waves of 1670 to that 2,700 so we can get a dollar amount to that backlog? Is that a fair way to do

Speaker 1

it? Thanks. So 2 very different questions, Greg. First of all, we are wave enabled in 5 74 data centers as of today. We have actually only sold WAVE in 156 of those 574.

Speaker 1

Now the method that we have to use to provision those wavelengths is very cumbersome and similar to the way our competitors provision a wavelength. The foundational work that we are doing, starting with a clean sheet of paper, allowed us to build a network on top of the Sprint physical assets that would allow us to provision a wavelength in 2 weeks without pre deploying capital for transponders, which is a very capital inefficient way based on the number of wave permutations that are possible. So each time we provision a wave today, we take resources away from the network reconfiguration work. We will take that 574 and be at all 800 by year end. So we literally have 226 to go and we're confident we will make that goal.

Speaker 1

2, we are conducting a number of network modifications internal to the network to allow provisioning of a wave to occur end to end with only 2 field dispatches compared to the industry average of probably 6 to 8 dispatches, which is similar to the way we have to do it today. And with that, we should be able to rapidly eat into that backlog, but also hopefully build an even larger backlog as customers see we are able to provision much faster than our competitors. Now to the ARPU question. Wavelength pricing is determined by 2 characteristics: the speed of the wavelength, which comes in 3 speeds: 10 gig, 100 gig and 400 gig. The larger the speed, the more expensive.

Speaker 1

The second dimension of pricing is the distance traverse. If you notice, our ARPU did tick up 2% sequentially in the quarter with a modest number of incremental waves. More of the backlog is skewed towards 100 and 400 gig waves than 10 gig. That probably means the ARPU of what's in that backlog is slightly larger than the ARPU of the installed base. A big part of our effort is to make sure that we can support all of these speeds across the footprint as these higher bandwidth applications continue to need more connectivity, we are seeing a transition away from 10 gig, 100 gig remains dominant.

Speaker 1

But I think over the next year or 2, 400 gig will be the dominant form of wavelengths bringing ARPUs up. And then beyond that, there will be a migration path based on the equipment we've installed to support 800 and eventually 1.6 terabit waves, the systems that we are deploying are flex spectrum, meaning they're no longer adhering to the ITU grid standards and therefore allow us the flexibility to support these higher throughputs as the equipment vendors make them commercially available. Hopefully, that was helpful, Greg.

Speaker 4

That was helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Walter Piecyk with LightShed. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Dave, thanks for that explanation on the fiber deals. Just maybe as a counter thought on this, They needed money, right? They have a free cash flow burn situation. With your TSA payments coming up, your leverage ratio obviously is going to go up. Recognizing that maybe it's single digit returns, is there still an opportunity maybe to use some of the Sprint Dark Fiber to do a similar deal except the lower terms, but basically just use it as to cash in some money.

Speaker 5

I mean, it's basically just a construction type deal, right? So I mean, is your thought sorry, Dave, just to interrupt, is your thought, I guess, that over at some period of time that dark fiber will get used and get higher returns, but then it's like time value in terms of when that may or may not happen in the future. Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1

Yes. So I think 2 parts to that, Walt. We are absolutely willing and expect to sell Dark Fiber on the routes that we have, I. E, sell our inventory where the return is infinite because we have a negative cost basis in that fiber. We will do that when we have the resources to allocate to the provision at fiber.

Speaker 1

The new construction to single purpose facilities has to be weighed against other uses of our capital. I can't speak to what my competitors' alternatives are. I can speak to what Cogent has. And Cogent has much better places to go to raise cash. We have over 100 Megawatts and 1,000,000 Square Feet of surplus data center space, the current market price for that type of asset is about $1,400,000 or about $14,000,000 a megawatt compared to our offering price of $10,000,000 a megawatt.

Speaker 1

So rather than go out and accept a very low return construction project, it is better for us to take our resources and capital and sell off some of these data centers that, again, we have a negative basis in. As Tad mentioned, we pivoted and did increase our capital spending slightly in the quarter to accelerate the availability of these facilities. Again, to remind everyone, these were not built as data centers, they were built as telephone central offices. Many of them are quite large, but we had to remove telephone equipment and we had to condition those spaces to turn them into marketable data centers. And we're in discussions now with dozens of counterparties for dozens of locations.

Speaker 1

That is a better way to raise cash. We also have our IPV4 inventory. The competitor that you mentioned actually sold off a large portion of their inventory several years ago to raise cash. We did not. We chose not to.

Speaker 1

Prices continue to appreciate. We've demonstrated our ability to raise pricing on leasing and to securitize that revenue with a very low cost of capital. The fact that we have $462,000,000 cash on our balance sheet, we continue to grow our dividend, we buy back our stock and we are deploying capital IRRs. My goal is not to borrow money at 7% to get a 3% return.

Speaker 5

That's fair. So Dave, that's a good segue to my next question. I mean, first on the data centers, yes, you can sell them, but I think you grew on that data centers and your pace was typically adding carry on neutral data centers. I think you typically add 100 a year. You seem well ahead of that pace.

Speaker 5

Just curious thought process there. And then on the IPv4, similar question, is the growth in the quarter was a little slower than last quarter in terms of the number of leases. Obviously, you implemented a price increase. But is this the type of pace to expect on those IP leases? And given no sales in the quarter and you talking about the lease growth there, are sales still on the table?

Speaker 5

Can you give us some update on thoughts on whether that may or may not happen given the current market or you just rather add the lease revenue sequentially every quarter? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. So let me take those in order, Walt. On the data centers, to be honest, it's a reactive process. We operate in 54 countries around the world and our goal is get to every carrier neutral in every country we are licensed in. Now we measure those based on the size of the facility, the quality of the underlying operator and our cost effective ability to get to that center.

Speaker 1

With the rapid influx of capital into the data center market over the past year and continuing, we are seeing a much larger number of data centers coming online. So it is likely then for the next year or 2, we may do over 100 a year just because there are more being built. And then on the IPV-four, we are still considering selling addresses. We evaluate the market conditions. We know that the 2 largest buyers are currently leasing addresses at a significant premium to our even increased prices.

Speaker 1

As Tad mentioned, we increased pricing from an average of $0.30 an address per month across the base. For new sales, we went to $0.51 per address and saw a very modest reduction in unit volume, and I think that's somewhat temporary. We also are going to evaluate our ability to raise the existing base with the average contract length of 1.5 months, we have a great deal of flexibility in raising prices to existing customers. This is a very sticky business with an annual churn rate of 0.8% per year. So we will look at our ability to lease more addresses at a higher rate and the DCF associated with that versus our cost of capital versus what we can sell those addresses in the marketplace.

Speaker 1

And we are open to any of those options to help us maximize return to our shareholders. Thanks, Walt.

Speaker 5

Just to put you on the okay, the

Speaker 1

pace. I just got a long queue, Walt.

Speaker 5

Your prepared comments, that's the issue. The pace of leasing, is it this is the typical pace or is it going to be up and down?

Speaker 1

As with any service, you're going to depend on a specific demand in the quarter, but it does appear that the funnel for IP leasing remains very strong. And even with the increase in offering price, we are seeing no real diminution in demand. Okay.

Speaker 5

Thank

Speaker 1

you. Thanks, Walt.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Tim Horan with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Dave. Just following up on Walt, would you raise prices on the legacy base and maybe timing it or if so, why not to the IPP4 addresses? And then secondly, it looks like Lumin is talking about a substantially larger market. I think they're referencing $7,000,000,000 or so or more for the IP well, the wavelength market broadly speaking. Do you think the market is that large?

Speaker 6

And they're also talking about obviously doubling the locations they go to and a much better platform to provision services. Are you worried that maybe they will be a better competitor? Are you seeing them lower prices or quality improve there? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. So let me take the IPV-four-one first, Tim. We absolutely intend to raise prices on the installed base. We will be doing that later this quarter for a portion of the base and measure the impact on churn. We will continue to monitor the market for the sale of addresses and that is definitely not off the table.

Speaker 1

The goal is to sell at the highest price possible, and I think there is the likelihood that prices will go up. And then finally, on IPV4 pricing, it's not clear to us that the increase that we put in place now will be the last increase. As the resource continues to increase in scarcity, we intend to adjust price to maximize return on our inventory. We've streamlined our sales process of addresses, or leasing process and normalized our compensation structure. All of those things I think are going to help us see this continue to grow.

Speaker 1

And while it is only 4% of our total revenues, it did grow at a sequential growth rate of over 4% quarter over quarter. Now to the Wavelength market, there's both Wavelengths and Dark Fiber and there is some fungibility. For a lot of customers, Dark Fiber makes no sense because of the upfront capital and the ongoing operational support expense. For others, it may make sense. The global wavelength market is 7,000,000,000 dollars as measured by 3rd parties.

Speaker 1

Unfortunately, Lumin is only in North America, so they can't participate in $3,500,000,000 It's outside of North America. And then that includes both metro and long haul. We are going to have more locations WAVE enabled than anyone else. We'll continue to add them to follow-up on Walt's question about data center additions. Any data center in North America, so that means Mexico, Canada and the U.

Speaker 1

S. That we add, we will make Wave enabled from day 1. And we welcome competition. In the transit business, where we become the dominant player globally with 25 percent of the world's traffic, we competed in a market with 200 players. And in fact, the competitor you mentioned was the dominant player that we displaced to be the largest player.

Speaker 1

Listen, I wish I could wake up one day and be a monopolist. I'm not. I welcome the fact that we have to win customers every day on the value that we deliver and I am quite confident that Cogent will have a better value proposition than any of our competitors. And if that means being more aggressive on Wave Pricing, that is absolutely something we are prepared and expect to be able to do. We are going to grow that business and generate that incremental revenue.

Speaker 6

Yes. I guess, they're well, they're saying there's a potential of like $5,000,000,000 locked up, but another $7,000,000,000 so $12,000,000,000 total. I guess, just at a high level, do you think the market maybe is much larger, growing much faster than maybe what you thought a year ago because of AI?

Speaker 1

I think it's, it probably is somewhat larger, but a big part of what they're referencing is new construction projects, meaning building fiber to facilities that never had fiber before. How big the recurring revenue opportunity is in those facilities is yet to be figured out.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Frank Welton with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks, Dave. A couple of questions. Do you I think I know the answer, but just wanted to check. So looking at your network that you have, do you have spare conduit in the GMG network that you could sell that would possibly compete with some of these deals?

Speaker 7

And then going forward, once you have all of the buildings configured and so forth and you're set for selling waves, What do you think is a reasonable quarterly run rate for that business once it gets up to speed? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yes. So in terms of conduit, we do not have spare conduit. The Sprint network was built with direct buried fiber in armor jacket, typically 6 feet below grade versus conduit networks in plastic that are generally along public highway right of way 2 feet below grade. As a result, we have had 50% fewer splices per mile than those other networks even though the network is a decade older. That gives us better loss and better throughput.

Speaker 1

We absolutely have fiber to sell, not conduits. And the fiber that we have is capable of supporting all of the coherent technology for 100, 400 and even 801.6 terabit wavelengths when that becomes the de facto standard. Now in terms of the run rate for our Wave growth, we have said that from 5 years from acquisition, so that would be by May of 2028, we will be generating $500,000,000 in WAVE revenues. We believe that is absolutely a realistic target out of the $2,000,000,000 addressable market that we referenced. And to Tim's point, maybe we undersized that market a little bit.

Speaker 1

But we feel quite confident that we will get there. And I think once we have normalized our provisioning and our footprint is complete, that growth rate should be fairly linear.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Hey, thanks, Ryan.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Dave, I wanted to sort of ask you, you're on the cost control side, delivering very strong cost controls on some of the data center transitions and other things. Maybe could you quantify for us how much more there is to go on this? Any other buckets of cost takeout there maybe.

Speaker 8

But more importantly, with those cost takeouts, is that sufficient to potentially get you to an EBITDA non classic or with the Sprint payments growth situation in 2025?

Speaker 1

Jim, well, first of all, welcome to Cogent, welcome to coverage with us, and thanks for your question. So we absolutely have significantly more cost savings to achieve. We have a combination of non core services, low margin revenue services and then additional G and A savings. We also understand that the T Mobile payments were meant to bridge this period of maximum burn or stepping down. We will now be at a run rate for the next 41 quarters 41 months, excuse me, at the lower rate of $8,300,000 per month.

Speaker 1

With that, we absolutely will be in a position in 2025 when we're on an apples to apples basis. So we're looking at quarters where we have 3 monthly payments of $8,300,000 in 'twenty four versus 3 in 'twenty five, so it will be Q3. At the $8,300,000 that EBITDA will be growing. And we expect that growth to continue. So yes, EBITDA will step down in the remainder of 2024 due to these lower payments because EBITDA is adjusted now.

Speaker 1

To the earlier question, our EBITDA Classic will continue to improve, but that improvement will not fully offset that step down from 87,000,000 dollars down to $25,000,000 But after we normalize to that rate, we absolutely will be in a positive EBITDA growth number. And we've achieved only 62% of the targeted $220,000,000 in savings. And our belief at this time is that $220,000,000 will eventually go up. I think there are some additional savings opportunities that we'll be able to talk about in the quarters to come.

Speaker 8

Thanks. And maybe second one at the risk of piling on waves and drug fiber, but maybe wanted to just get your sense, can you maybe kind of characterize for us your view on how many and which routes that Cogent has are unique relative to your competitors and maybe say something about whether your competitor has any roots which you believe are particularly unique and if you sort of think about the future landscape of additional deals that could transpire?

Speaker 1

Yes. So we and our competitors, multiple competitors serve all of the key North American markets, roughly 100 cities, I think there's at least 3 or 4 dark fiber routes between those cities. Now 90% of the Sprint routes have no other fiber on them. They were built along these unique railroad right of ways. There may be a parallel path along a public highway, along a pipeline.

Speaker 1

Generally, most of our competitors build their fiber or did build their fiber differently along public highway right of way, lower burial distances and in plastic conduit. The conduit absolutely gives you the flexibility to add more. But if you pick 2 cities, just put 2 pins in a map, and I'm going to just put 2 random, say, Phoenix to Cleveland. Cogent would have a unique route, but you could also buy a different route from Azeo or Illumina to connect those two cities. Now it's more likely than not that maybe the other 2 are not on a unique right of way, but we're all three of us going to be able to serve those 2 city payers.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jen.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Nick Del Deo with MoffettNathanson. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for the questions and appreciate all the detail on this call.

Speaker 1

I guess first, you gave

Speaker 9

us a little color on some of the revenue and connection declines in your prepared remarks. But I was hoping you could dig a little bit into the corporate trend specifically. I'm just trying to tease out how much of that was a function of, you know, kind of bad Sprint revenue, and connections rolling off versus what's happening with better Sprint corporate connections and classic Cogent corporate connections?

Speaker 1

Yes. So thanks for the question, Nick. First of all, our on net revenues grew sequentially in the quarter. Even though our NetCentric revenue growth actually declined slightly in the quarter. So we grew on net corporate revenues.

Speaker 1

That was both kind of traditional Cogent business as well as Sprint business that we migrated from off net to on net. There are 3 buckets of revenue that we acquired from Sprint that are not desirable. We have an easy fix for one of those 3, that is traffic that is in buildings that were off net to Sprint that are on net to Cogent. And we're rapidly migrating those customers as those tail circuit contracts mature. We also have non core products that we absolutely want to end the life as quickly as possible.

Speaker 1

And you saw our run rate on those products declined by about $2,000,000 sequentially, but there's still over $4,000,000 a quarter in that non core revenue bucket that really needs to go to 0 and help us improve margins. And then the final bucket are off net Sprint Acquired Circuits that are not profitable. And it's because they're very low speed, they may have been delivered over a suboptimal media, coax, twisted pair in some cases or fixed wireless. We're migrating to fiber and we're upping those speeds. Some of that revenue will go away.

Speaker 1

Most of it will actually transition to a fiber solution. So as we look at the corporate decline, it was really bad business that we are managing off intentionally and the good business is growing. And that I think is part of the way that we achieved that sequential improvement of over 2 50 basis points and cost of goods sold is by getting rid of that low margin off net business as well as Encore.

Speaker 9

Okay. Okay. That will make sense. And one other question on cost and EBITDA, obviously, good progress there. Again, I think we've talked in the past about there being a fair bit of integration cost, lease exit cost, lease remediation cost and so on that you're not specifically breaking out of EBITDA that probably suppress the reported number versus what the real underlying results are.

Speaker 9

I guess, could you update us on that and how we should think about that progressing in future quarters?

Speaker 1

Yes. And for the past 15 months since the acquisition, we've been spending about $5,000,000 a month on OpEx related to integration projects. We do not break that out separately. We do not add it back to EBITDA because we had the added complexity of the T Mobile add back and did not want to, I think, overly complicate our accounting. We anticipate that $5,000,000 a month drag on EBITDA to be a 3 year drag.

Speaker 1

That was what we said it would take us to go from the negative $190,000,000 of acquired EBITDA to, if you just looked at those customers, about $85,000,000 to $90,000,000 of positive EBITDA. I think we are on track to do that. I think that drag will continue beyond this year and then well into next year. But it will start to taper off. We are ahead of schedule in terms of taking costs out, which gives us the ability to turn off some of that extraordinary expense sooner.

Speaker 5

Okay,

Speaker 10

great. Thanks, Dave.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Bora Lee with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Hi, Dave. Thanks for taking the questions. Once the wave enablement is done and the internal team is freed up to turn its attention to dark fiber, what would it take operationally to get to a point for the sales force to be able to start offering dark fiber services and what sort of a rough timeline for that process?

Speaker 1

So the sales force already knows that Dark Fiber is coming. They've had multiple requests from customers for specific routes. We will actually show this quarter a couple of very modest dark fiber sales in Q3 really to help certain customers in specific situations. But each of these requests is kind of a calculus of do we put in jeopardy the bigger opportunity to optimize the wave network. By year end, that optimization project will be complete and we can then kind of free up people to do that provisioning.

Speaker 1

I think in terms of complexity, these are more bespoke. It's less of a standard product and it is very route specific. That means the distance, it means the uniqueness of the route and also the total fiber availability on the route, not all routes are the same. An example would be one of our most in demand routes is our northern route that goes between Chicago and Seattle. The reason for that is, it's the lowest latency path between the East Coast and the West Coast.

Speaker 1

That's particularly interesting for certain applications. Why is that true? The earth is curved. The distance at higher latitudes is shorter than it is at lower latitudes to hit the same longitudinal line. And for that reason, that's a particularly in demand path.

Speaker 1

We don't have enough market data and haven't actively sold to be able to fully assess that. But I do think next year, we'll be in a position to have the Wave business kind of working as expected and then pivot resources to start to build a funnel of dark fiber requests and then figure out where the optimal pricing is. But again, we have no intention of building new fiber based on what we view as suboptimal returns, but we will sell out our excess inventory.

Speaker 11

Got it. And monthly on net ARPU continues to tick up. In the past, you've mentioned that you're benefiting from a transition to higher capacity connections. Just wondering if that's what's driving the ARPU gains this quarter? And if so, can you update us on the mix and trends that you've been seeing there?

Speaker 1

Yes. That is in fact a key driver. On the corporate side, we continue to see an expansion of 10 gig opportunities and multi tenant office buildings. And then on the NetCentric side, we are seeing an increased number of 100 gig and even 400 gig transit ports. So all of that is helping drive higher ARPU on that.

Speaker 11

Okay. And lastly, just curious about the types of counterparties who've shown the most interest in the data center assets, just given their size. Are these enterprises for their own use or financial strategic?

Speaker 1

If you could

Speaker 11

provide any color there, that would be helpful.

Speaker 1

Yes. I would say there are at least 5 different categories of potential counterparties that we're talking to. There are Tier 2 data center operators who are attracted to some of these markets. There are private equity funds that are looking for a platform to build off of. There are international carriers who are looking for a U.

Speaker 1

S. Data center footprint. There are hyperscalers who are looking at these as edge facilities and there are AI compute businesses who want greater power density, but understand that there is a time to market advantage of these facilities. So all 5 of those types of customers are in the mix today for these data centers.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Brandon Nispel with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Great. Hey, Dave. Thanks for taking the question. Hey, Brian. Mostly just a housekeeping question.

Speaker 10

Could you guys provide what the churn rate was for NetCentric, Corporate and Enterprise? And then as we look at the reported connection net adds or losses by those segments, Could you give us an estimate in terms of how many are coming from sort of non core low margin products or other grooming, so we can try to understand what the underlying run rate is? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yes. So we give our churn rate between on net and off net, which is a good way to triangulate to the corporate churn rate. It's roughly about 1.2% per month. And NetCentric was just a little bit below that this quarter and enterprise was a little further below that as you saw enterprise revenues actually grow sequentially. So in terms of churn rate, there were no material deviations from kind of historical norms.

Speaker 1

And what was your second question, Brandon?

Speaker 10

I was just hoping you could provide some adjustments for us as we look at the reported connection losses or gains to help us understand what is sort of a function of you guys making decisions around non core or low margin product versus what the underlying business is doing?

Speaker 1

Okay. So on the non core, you should make the assumption that every non core churn both in unit and dollar is intentional. We would like that business to go away today if we could, but we have contractual obligations that we have to honor and those run through the end of 2026. Again, that's part of the reason why we continue to get transit payment subsidies from T Mobile through November of 2027. Secondly, for the both corporate and enterprise customers, there are locations for enterprise customers in countries that we are not licensed to do business.

Speaker 1

Sprint had been selling those through a agency program that we concluded did not meet our threshold for legal compliance. So we are effectively selling the port, but taking the loop and having the customer buy the loop separately. So that's an intentional churn to bifurcate that service and lower the ARPU by taking the loop of that off net enterprise customer in an exotic market off of our revenue stream. On the corporate side, it's mostly this very low speed broadband services

Speaker 4

that we

Speaker 1

are looking to migrate. Now if those services happen to be in an on net building, we're migrating them independent of speed and automatically upgrading the speed. If they are in a location that is very rural, we are in fact terming those. A very large termination, for example, in this last quarter, which was intentional of a corporate customer was ERCOT, that is the energy management system in the state of Texas. They had several 100 locations, primarily at very rural substations with 2 megabit connectivity, all of which was delivered over copper, none of which was upgradable to a fiber solution.

Speaker 1

And when we looked at the totality of that particular customer relationship, our business is not providing SCADA backhaul management for 2 meg copper circuits. They're just not profitable. So we, in fact, are terming all of those. Now some still have contract turmoil in them, but a big bulk of the churn in this quarter was that specific very uneconomic customer, which actually helped us improve margin. They were actually losing money on those off net shortcuts.

Speaker 10

Thanks, Dave.

Speaker 1

Hey, thanks, Brian.

Operator

And your final question comes from the line of Michael Rollins with Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Thanks and good morning.

Speaker 1

Good morning and thanks for hanging in there, Mike. Sure. Appreciate you squeezing me in for

Speaker 4

a question. Just curious to delve a little bit more into the corporate trends. If you can give us a sense of what's happening on the corporate side with respect to unique customers in the buildings and their spending patterns with you with respect to the core transit services, the VPN and the types of bandwidth that they're buying? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yes. So, we are seeing modest growth in our corporate on net business, probably in the order of about 4% year over year, still substantially below pre pandemic levels. We are winning new incremental customers, albeit the fact that there are less tenants in the building today than there were pre pandemic. We also are seeing a migration of a subset of customers, not all, but a very that's probably now several percent of the base that want 10 gig connections. So we went through a transition from 100 to gig.

Speaker 1

We're starting to see the beginning of that connection going to 10 gig. I don't think that is going to be a dominant product for several years because I think most customer premise equipment for corporate customers are not able to take those connections. But I do see that as an increasing ARPU uplift in corporate on net services. And then to the VPN question, we saw a fairly dramatic grooming of VPNs coming out of the pandemic as companies were pairing back multiple remote offices. We've seen that stabilize and we are seeing our VPLS sales to corporate customers be about a quarter of new incremental sales, which is similar to where it was pre pandemic.

Speaker 1

So when it dipped, it has started to come back. Now it's dwarfed by the VPN sales that we provide to the legacy Sprint customers that are provided over MPLS. And we actually saw our enterprise business grow sequentially in part because of those large enterprise networks continuing to grow at increased port speeds. Thanks, Dave. Thanks, Mike.

Speaker 1

Well, I would like to thank everyone. I appreciate your patience on the call and hopefully we answered all your questions. Look forward to seeing you soon and

Speaker 5

ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's

Speaker 1

call and we thank you

Speaker 5

for your

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call and we thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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