5E Advanced Materials Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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September 4, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the 5E Advanced Materials Fiscal 20 24 Shareholder Update Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After today's presentation and prepared remarks, 5B's executive management team will conduct a question and answer session with the company's sell side research analyst and will also respond to questions submitted by investors. Please note that today's conference call is being recorded. I will now pass the call over to Nathan Scon in Investor Relations.

Operator

Nathan?

Speaker 1

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today for 5E Advanced Materials fiscal 2020 4 conference call. During this call, management will be referencing our earnings press release and a webcast presentation that can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. For a copy of our press release or the supplemental presentation, you may contact Alpha IR Group at ffamalphaidot com or go to our Investor Relations page on our website. Please confirm that we will be conducting our legal disclaimers.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, today's conference call will contain forward looking statements, including our expectation of future revenue growth and loss, production capacity, market dynamics, liquidity, cash spending and other items. Our expected to differ materially and adversely from those projected or discussed in these forward looking statements. Additional information concerning these factors that could cause the results to differ materially and adversely from these forward looking statements contained in our press release we announced earlier today as well as the disclosures in our public filings with the SEC. The company is under no obligation to update forward looking statements. Today's call may also include a discussion of non GAAP financial measures as that term is defined in Regulation G.

Speaker 1

Financial measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for financial information presented in compliance with GAAP. This afternoon's conference call is hosted by 5E's Chief Executive Officer, Paul Wyble and Chief Strategy Officer, J. T. Starzaky. Management will first lead off the call by making some prepared comments, after which we will open up the call to your

Speaker 2

Thank you, Nathan, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We recently closed the books on our 2024 fiscal year. Despite fiscal year 2024 being a challenging one for 5e, there has been significant progress made, which now positions the business for a much stronger, better future in 2025. 2024, we made significant strides having obtained our final approval from the EPA, started the small scale facility, achieved first production and recently finished the month of June by shipping first customer samples. As we enter fiscal year 2025, our goals include completing the first phase of engineering for our 90,000 ton folic acid commercial facility, securing off take agreements, exploring partnerships for our various byproducts that we will produce and commencing the diligence phase for Project Finance.

Speaker 2

On today's call, we'll discuss the recent capital raise, current state of the small scale facility, report progress on our cost optimization and outline the outlook for fiscal year 2025. Please turn to Slide 4. Last week, we announced the capital raise of $10,000,000 The new capital consists of $4,000,000 direct common equity offering from a new U. S.-based shareholder as well as a commitment from our 2 lenders to issue via private placement $6,000,000 of additional convertible notes. We believe that this capital raise provides the runway to complete the first phase of commercial engineering and allows our management team to focus exclusively on this effort.

Speaker 2

We have a strategy and a deliberate plan in place for the use of these recently raised funds. The use of proceeds from this capital includes the following: advancing the first phase of the commercial plant engineering program, which we target to complete in December or January of 2025. Upon completing this phase of engineering, we expect to then quickly update our technical report summary. 2nd, to fund the operation of the small scale facility, where we will continue our efforts to optimize capital and operating costs and advance production of our product for customer qualifications. Thirdly, the new capital will aid in our ongoing pursuit of offtake agreements and commercial negotiations.

Speaker 2

And finally, advancing various government initiatives already in the works. Please turn to Slide 5, where we will report on the progress of the small scale facility. I'm pleased to report that we had 0 safety incidents during the quarter. I'm proud of our team and the behavior based safety program we have implemented continues to drive accountability, awareness and a cultural safety. Additionally, we continue to achieve head grades of 5.5% to 6% boric acid in solution, which equates to approximately 10,000 PPMs of boron when we sample.

Speaker 2

This result continues to demonstrate that 5E is in possession of a world class resource. Despite the good results, we have not gone without headwinds. It have resulted in some plant downtime. Recent maintenance issues included downtime to repair a leak in our heat exchanger as well as revising the design of our SCOOP conveyor that feeds boric acid from the belt filter to the dryer. Additionally, we paused operations for about 2 weeks in the month of August to install sifter and enclose the bagging section of the plant to prevent final product from being exposed to the elements.

Speaker 2

Our team was judicious, swift and diligent in executing the necessary solutions to have us back up and running. With the modifications made, our current production rate is 1 short ton per day of on spec product. When we initially started producing, the goal was to 1st produce boric acid. The second goal was to achieve a product that meets prospective customer specifications. And the third goal was to begin increasing rates.

Speaker 2

While we continue to assess increasing production rates, we are currently comfortable operating at a rate of 1 short term per day as it provides us with a liquidity profile whereby we can complete the first phase of engineering, continue to optimize costs and progress customer qualifications while we work towards offtake agreements. As we build towards and assess higher production rates, we continue to obtain critical information that is integrated into our commercial engineering design. On Slide 6, we have outlined our optimization plans. Two meaningful changes we have incorporated into our commercial design include a change to the method of crystallization and the temperature of our mined water injection solution. Since commencing mining operations in January 2024, we now have a higher degree of confidence in the resource and our achievable head grade.

Speaker 2

Further, we believe we can increase our head grade to higher levels by increasing the temperature of our mining solution. This increase in our solution temperatures will also decrease residence time, leading to a more efficient process. Essentially, our data has determined that it is less expensive and more efficient to heat the solution compared to blowing off in evaporating water. This has provided us the opportunity to modify our crystallization method from evaporative to chilled crystallization. Chilled crystallization has multiple benefits that are worth highlighting.

Speaker 2

First, the amount of energy required will be much less. An initial energy balance estimates a 60% reduction in natural gas consumption relative to evaporated crystallization, which will drive a lower structural OpEx. Further, this provides us with the opportunity to use less Hastelloy Steel in our crystallizer design, which will in turn reduce the overall capital cost by utilizing less expensive materials of construction. Another area of optimization is our mine plan, where we believe we can reduce the overall levels of sustaining CapEx up to a factor of 10 by implementing horizontal wells and sidetracks. Our horizontal well program has been externally vetted and to increase confidence levels, we plan to test horizontal wells in the upcoming fiscal year.

Speaker 2

Additionally, we continue to critically examine our potential byproduct credits. We've confirmed lithium chloride exists in our solution today, and we are monitoring the increases in concentrations of lithium and calcium to determine the optimal recovery technology. Finally, we continue to investigate calcium chloride and assess this as a byproduct relative to Gypsum, and we are actively looking to explore partnerships with existing producers and technology providers. At this point, I'll turn the presentation over to our Chief Strategy Officer, JT Starzaky to talk about our commercial and government programs. JT?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Paul. If we can turn to Slide 7, we will quickly touch on our commercial strategy and how we are advancing down this critical path. The commissioning of our plant and subsequent operations has allowed us to use this early production to initiate our customer qualification program, which we recently launched in late June. This is a key step forward in the development of our project as it lays the groundwork for broad product acceptance, which will underpin the platform to execute offtake agreements with a variety of customers. Since launching the customer qualification program, we have been progressively advancing commercial discussions with interested parties who are actively looking to diversify their supply base of boric acid now and into the future.

Speaker 3

Initially, our qualification program included 2 customers who are leaders in specialty glass production for premium consumer electronics and fiber optics as well as pharmaceutical glass products. After distributing our initial samples as part of our growing discussions, we have received positive feedback and have progressed to the next stage with both customers. We note that these potential customers carry with them very attractive growth profiles and long term demand outlooks. For these customers, the need to secure domestic source and a reliable supply chain of boric acid is of critical importance now more than ever. More recently, we have added 2 additional customer prospects to our pipeline and have already shipped samples to them.

Speaker 3

These customers are also industry leaders with strong long term growth needs and demand profiles, with one being in the energy transition space and the other in a military defense related industry. Encouragingly, with only a few months of formal discussions behind us, our commercial strategy has made and will continue to make incremental progress. Furthermore, our project continues to capture attention and recognition in the marketplace and we continue to receive inbound inquiries and new interest from parties looking to receive product samples for testing and qualification. If we can move to Slide 8 for a quick update on the progress towards our federal government program. Our government affairs program has always pursued 3 main outcomes as part of our initiatives in Washington DC.

Speaker 3

1st, federal funding support to advance current operations as well as financial commitments for our commercial Phase 1 facility. 2nd, congressional backing on Capitol Hill for the support of domestically produced boron and its derivative products. And 3rd, the inclusion of boron on the USGS critical minerals list. Multiple funding federal funding applications remain in process for both the Department of Defense, both in the congressional appropriations process and under the Defense Logistics Agency. Within the last quarter, the company was recently accepted into a federal program called Cornerstone, which administers investments under the Defense Production Act and DIBSI under the Defense Industrial Base, which also provides funding for companies looking to better the U.

Speaker 3

S. Defense supply chain. It's worth noting that we continuously look and apply for federal funding as both short and long term solutions for the business. To update everyone, we continue to monitor a submitted application we made to the Department of Energy earlier this year under an open funding call. Per the agency's website, winners of the awards are expected to be announced this fall.

Speaker 3

The final highlight to note related to government support comes through an application submitted to the U. S. Export Import Bank for the Made in America Initiative. 5E completed our initial application in mid July for a loan back guarantee of up to $285,000,000 in project debt finance for our Phase 1 commercial plant. We hope to receive formal feedback and a letter of interest from our application this fall.

Speaker 3

Lastly, we remain very engaged with key members in Washington DC to drive support for the newest domestic source of boron in the United States. All our California representatives on Capitol Hill received frequent updates and in person briefings detailing project progress and we've been successful in obtaining 10 members of Congress to put forth a signed request to have boron added to the 2025 USGS Critical Minerals List under the Department of Interior. With that, I'll hand the presentation back over to Paul for a few closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, JT. As we turn to Slide 9, we'll discuss the next steps forward we'll be taking on our project as we execute our strategic playbook and deliver catalysts over the next 5 to 6 months. As JT mentioned, we've applied for the U. S. Exim Bank's Made in America initiative.

Speaker 2

We expect the letter of interest this fall, which is an invitation to project diligence. To successfully secure project finance, we'll need to progress the first phase of commercial engineering and execute firm offtakes with bankable customers. In June, I outlined that we would utilize the summer to optimize our design. Today, given our superior resource, we know that chilled crystallization is the optimal process design to produce boric acid for our commercial facility. Fluor, our EPC firm, has already begun moving forward with this design, has started the process for budgetary bids, and our team has a parallel work stream to assess gypsum against calcium chloride as our byproduct mix.

Speaker 2

Our engineers have dedicated sub work streams that include vendor and equipment testing, on-site lab testing for further processing improvement and multiple scenarios of material and energy balances. Through this, we'll be using a data driven methodology to test CapEx and OpEx, which will create the ability to drive down total cost and determine the optimal design. Today, we know we have multiple potential pathways for co product revenue streams, and we are putting each under its own standalone test. These potential revenue streams and the enhanced optionality they bring to the project's economics have come as a function of our ongoing project cost optimization work. As the first phase of engineering progresses, we'll report this progress and lift the veil on catalysts that we expect will drive our share price higher.

Speaker 2

Additionally, the product we produce at the small scale facility will be used to increase the customers in our pipeline and our announceable letter of intent and work towards offtake agreements that will underpin bankability for project finance. These efforts will drive completion of the first phase of engineering and a refresh of our technical report in early 2025. Lastly, we continue to progress our already submitted applications and monitor the appropriations, DoD and DOE submissions with hope for a favorable result in the near term. I'll conclude on Slide 10. Ultimately, both the progress we've made on the ground at our small scale boron facility and with the successful recent capital raise, we have runway ahead of us to complete the first phase of commercial engineering.

Speaker 2

This has given our management team the latitude to focus on the business, improvement of economics and reporting on our progress. This is critical for 5E's next stage of development and I'm highly confident in the plan we have in place. Despite the headwinds of 2024, which we have overcome in advanced, our business case remains firmly intact. Our key permits are in place, our customer qualification program is underway, and we have a clear direction to progress forward in 2025. As always, I'd like to thank the entire team at 5E Advanced Materials for their hard work and contributions and value for our shareholders.

Speaker 2

With that, we'll open up the call to your questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer The first question comes from Matt Summerville with D. A. Davidson. Please proceed.

Speaker 1

Hey, guys. You've got Canyon Hayes on for Matt Summerville today. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just an update on recent spot market pricing. And JT, I remember a couple of months ago, you had mentioned that there were taking issues at some of the larger market constituents.

Speaker 1

I'd be curious to hear if that was ongoing still?

Speaker 3

Ken, first, thanks for joining us today and having some input. So let me first address the taking comments that pertains to other producers within the market. There we are still hearing instances based on the environments in which product is being transported into that there still is a struggle with certain producers to put product in large quantities into markets where caking is still a continued issue that potential customers are working on. As far as spot pricing goes, recently Fast Markets launched coverage of boric acid and they have continued to put some guidance into the marketplace where spot pricing for boric acid is in the range of $1100 to $12.50 per ton.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you. Moving over to the balance sheet, a couple of moving parts here. You've got the recent capital injection, kind of where you're standing today and the current cash burn rates, maybe an update to where that will bring 5e over the next months, years, etcetera?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think I appreciate the question. As kind of noted in the remarks, this will get us through our first phase, the FEL2 engineering program. And I think that gets us into early 2025.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you for the questions.

Operator

Okay. The next question comes from Pete Sullivan with Maxim Group. Please proceed.

Speaker 4

Hi. Thank you. Paul, you mentioned the customer qualification program. Do those customers need to see the consistency of the grade more than an increasing volume? And how can you provide more detail on how the qualification program will work, please?

Speaker 2

Yes. So I think when we talk to different customers, everyone has their own spec, right? Boric acid kind of gets a wrap that is just a commodity, whereas based on the customers we're working with, they have certain specifications that make it not so much a commodity, right? Moisture content matters, impurity profile as well as particle size. And so, ultimately, what to a certain extent today, we're very much kind of who has the best spec, right?

Speaker 2

And that's kind of because if you look at the chlorides and sulfates that will happen to meet, if they're 25 PPMs, we will other customers may be 50. So we're on the current customer's spec. And so it started with KV samples. And then the next step will be material handling where they'll take 1 or 2 times, right? And so I think we've and JT had in here, but ultimately every customer is different and their process kind of varies by customer.

Speaker 3

Yes, if I could just

Speaker 4

Sorry, JT. Yes. And is 1 ton a day enough to satisfy most of the customer qualification program?

Speaker 2

JT, you want to take that?

Speaker 3

Sure. So at this point, Tate, yes, it does meet the needs that the customers and the testing programs that we've launched plus the testing programs that we're starting to queue up. As Paul mentioned in some of his opening remarks, that one ton a day we view as the cost optimized amount of tonnage coming out of the small scale facility right now to feed into the customer qualification program and it gives us runway as we continue to do that to bring in more customers into the program. So we do feel that at this point that's the right balance for us.

Speaker 4

Great. And then can you provide in terms of Paul, did I cut you in terms of operating costs running the small scale facility? Is it mostly on the processing side now and away from the injection side? I mean, or could you talk about where most of the costs will be operating the plant going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes. Listen, at 1 ton a day, like we have it's a reasonable burn from a variable cost, which really is hydrochloric acid, LNG and some lime and a bit of sulfuric as we kind of regenerate HCL. The fixed costs are the bigger component today, right? And that's because we do operate 20 fourseven. And so that is the bigger component.

Speaker 2

So that's kind of why as we've gotten up to that one ton and we kind of know what those utilizations are, we're comfortable here, right, given we've raised 10, right? And so that gives us that ability to continue the customer qualification. And what I was going to add kind of on the back of the other question is, ultimately, a ton a day is adequate to put the offtakes in place, right? So because most of these customers, like their big focus is like long term supply when we're at 90,000 tons, right? Listen, if we can and we will look to build some inventory and kind of offset some incremental sales against production credits.

Speaker 2

But where we are today in kind of our liquidity profile, it's kind of the best of all worlds.

Speaker 4

Great. And just last for me. You mentioned some of the August work. Are you and you're done with sort of shutdown related work or might more shutdown related work come up? And was that work related to bagging machine process?

Speaker 4

Can you go into detail

Speaker 1

there, please?

Speaker 2

Yes. No. So the plant is pretty much 100% outdoors, right? And it's very much it's solution mining. So it's pipes into your crystallizer and to ultimately your belt filter.

Speaker 2

And so and then from belt filter, it goes to screw conveyor to bagging, right? And so we kind of realized we needed to enclose the back end of the plant where we come off the dryer and then into the bulk material handling where we fill our super sacks. And so we kind of it was a pretty basic job, but we kind of stopped any production while we enclosed that. Listen, I think there's we are doing preventative maintenance, but there some of that's always a little tricky. And I'll be candid, like there's a bit of a novelty to our process.

Speaker 2

And as we've kind of kicked off and gone through, there's been teething pains, right? And we've worked through those issues. We've kind of highlighted a couple of them here and we get back up. So you may take a step back, but we continue to find ways to take 2, 3 steps forward.

Speaker 4

Thank you and all great details. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Matthew Keay with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed.

Speaker 5

Hey, good afternoon, Paul and JT. Thanks for taking my questions. Obviously, a lot of progress being made in terms of boric acid production. I did want to touch on lithium briefly. I think you noted in your prepared remarks, you're currently evaluating various recovery methods for the byproducts.

Speaker 5

Could you maybe go into a little bit more detail on that? And what's the current timeline for producing a customer ready lithium products from 4 Caddy?

Speaker 2

So what we're seeing today is we see PPMs in the range test sample would be anywhere from about 40 PPMs to 60 PPMs, which is good, right? It's there. And that's some of that could be the genesis is we really want more data, right? And ultimately, as we look at some of the byproducts that we'll produce, if it's calcium chloride, you could build up lithium concentrations over time and that could crash out with your sodium or you could potentially do ion exchange on the with the remaining piece of the calcium or if you go to gypsum route, you could extract the lithium on ion exchange after you remove your metal salts. And so there's from like ultimately, we want to DLE is expensive and sort of what you're seeing in market conditions has put where pricing is where it is, has put a lot of headwinds on up and coming producers in that space.

Speaker 2

So we're very mindful of we want to while we feel good about the bullish trend of lithium, like we want to extract and recover that in the lowest cost rate possible, right? And we have a couple of avenues to pursue that in the current design. And so I yes, I think we also are doing ongoing testing where that 40 to 60 TPM in the lab has actually 3x when we modify and change our HCL rates. So at 9%, we 3xed it. And so that those are the good data that is kind of like, okay, wow, this could be a game changer for economics.

Speaker 2

And so I think that's it's just it's been really good and comforting to see that that stream is there. We have it in the resource table. And ultimately, and this kind of dovetails into the DOE grant application we applied for is how can we really maximize that. I think once we do a little bit more homework, we then would be able to speak to timelines, but that's a great question.

Speaker 5

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And you mentioned that 5E has submitted applications for funding with both the DOE and DOE. Assuming that's all successful, could you remind me a ballpark of how much financing could potentially be received from those programs?

Speaker 2

CT, you want to take that one?

Speaker 3

Sure. So in our opening comments, Matt, we talked about the magnitude of the Exim credit back guarantee that we've asked for. We have pretty significant grant applications that we've put in process in 2024 in terms of tens of 1,000,000 of dollars across multiple different programs. We have seen some progress in where those advancements or where the applications have advanced through. There's obviously different points that when you're talking about one of them, which is an appropriations request, there's obviously a process that you need to go through similar to any other federal funding item that falls under the appropriations, right?

Speaker 3

There's 12 appropriations dealing with agriculture all the way to defense. And we do continually track and get updates. The political process, just given the election season, has sort of temporarily slowed things down. But the funding that we put in place both from the asks that we've made from the DOE, but also most importantly the DoD are of a size and a magnitude that will be very, very impactful to that Phase 1 CapEx number. And remember, all of that is in conjunction with the credit back guarantee.

Speaker 3

So it will be if we're successful in the EXIM process, we'll get the $285,000,000 that we've asked for to backstop project finance. And then on top of that, we will get the grant money. And I think the secret sauce within the grant programs within the DoD are there are programs that we can ask for on an annual basis, right? So appropriations is an annual request. Under the DPA Title III, you're not limited to just one request.

Speaker 3

So there are multiple avenues, almost a bit like a spider web. We don't control the timelines, but certainly the applications and the amounts that we've asked for are will be very impactful and very beneficial to the broader stakeholders.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you. That's very helpful. Yes, that's it for me and good luck moving forward.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thanks, Matt.

Operator

We have a follow-up question from Pete Sullivan with Maxim Group. Please proceed.

Speaker 4

Thanks. It's Tate Sullivan from Maxim. Just following up. I know you have time to file the 10 ks given your fiscal year ended in June. Are you planning to file it tonight by chance or to be determined?

Speaker 2

Yes. So we as you can imagine, based on the deal last week, all the sub events disclosures are getting updated. They're in final review. If things go well, it's out first thing next

Speaker 4

week. Okay. And then JT, so last is you mentioned getting on the USGS list of critical materials for 2025. Does that increase funding eligibility? Can you just list some of the benefits of potentially being on that list, please?

Speaker 3

Great question, Tate. Does it unlock additional funding opportunities? The broad answer is yes, because of the way sort of the critical minerals list operates and it sort of spans across both the DOE and the DoD, it does cover funding opportunities for extraction projects that are extracting critical minerals. Therefore, should Boron be placed on to the Department of Interior's list, which is the USGS list, it would open up other pockets of money, more specifically in the Department of Energy and sort of then it sort of unlocks the opportunities to get into the loan program office should we decide to pursue that route. There are other gating items that are in sort of what Paul has already laid out for a strategy that would actually also play into that.

Speaker 3

But it's the short answer is yes, getting added to it would add to our profile and would also unlock additional funding opportunities.

Speaker 4

Thank you very much.

Operator

Okay. I'd now like to turn the floor back to Joseph Caminiti in Investor Relations for investor submitted questions.

Speaker 6

Thank you, John. For a moment, I will recite a number of frequently asked questions that were submitted by our investors in advance of this call. While a number of the questions that were submitted were also asked by our self-service analysts, I will go through the most frequently asked questions now. To the management team. Can you provide additional detail on the funding applications that the company has submitted and any anticipated expectations regarding the level of funds related to these applications?

Speaker 3

Paul, do you want to take that or would you like me to?

Speaker 2

No. That's kind of government to go for it.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks, Joe. Appreciate that. It is a question that we do get answered on a fairly regular basis. I'll give you some ranges or I'll provide stakeholders some ranges of the funding requests.

Speaker 3

I won't get into specifics into how it sort of where it falls within the specifics of the DoD, but we made an appropriations request earlier in the year for $20,000,000 that essentially sit within the defense budget for the ongoing and increased production of domestic boric acid as it does play into a lot of different derivative products. We've also made a request under the DPA Title III under the Defense Logistics Agency to also look at additional engineering work, equipment prepurchase and scalability of the current facility and the magnitude for that request was up to 35,000,000 dollars Now caveat all of that by saying that the U. S. Government reserves the right to adjust those figures, so they can make a recommendation and they can reduce that number, they can increase that number, they can come to an agreement on is it split between the DLA or is it split under the industrial base. They can make sort of that those decisions internally.

Speaker 3

But I think the message here is very clearly that it's significant funding that we've applied for. And we do feel that our base case and the case that we've made in these funding applications is as strong as anything that is in the market today.

Speaker 6

Thank you. And another investor submitted question. What are the anticipated next forthcoming steps in your customer qualification program?

Speaker 3

I can talk in terms of sort of some general steps. Every customer is different in how they're going to utilize boric acid in their production. So you will have some that essentially will test the impurity profile, the chemical content and really are interested in the particle size. And really as long as you fit that parameter, they will go into incorporating that into what we'll call sort of production testing. Some customers, based on the conversations in the process we're in, will add things like storage and handling testing because of the environments that it moves in and out of.

Speaker 3

So you'll always start with lab testing, so which is where we've initiated with a handful of customers. You then start to move down that value chain. Some will have storage and handling, some skip right over that, depends on where we're going with the end market. You then typically will have some small scale production where they're going to produce laboratory based, very small scale end products and they'll do it more from a raw materials perspective. And then if you go all the way through, some customers will actually want to do full batches of a run with all of the inputs, including the boric acid.

Speaker 3

And so it sort of really it runs the gamut. We're beholden to customer timelines because we're using they're using their facilities, they're using their personnel and they're fitting it in to their work schedules. I think what the broader audience would be very interested in and understanding is to know that we are in constant dialogue. So we're constantly getting feedback and where things are in the testing process. We're constantly plotting out what is the next step.

Speaker 3

We're constantly plotting out how much tonnage or KGs or pounds are going to be needed for the next either round of testings or the next customers. So we do have a very clear roadmap of where we sit today, what's in the pipeline and where we're going to end up. And as that evolves, we will continue to update the market.

Speaker 6

Thank you. And another investor submitted question. Do you anticipate that you will have production based revenues in fiscal 2025?

Speaker 2

Thanks. I can take that. Yes, I think we want to build inventory of on spec product continuing to progress with customer qualification. And then as we clear kind of the hurdles that set up to vendors, any incremental inventory will we can make those sales, which then come back as production credits, right? And so to keep the pace of play, yes, would want to sell any excess product.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 6

And the final investor submitted question is regarding the company's existing FEL2 engineering program. What are the biggest risks ahead of completing 5E's FEL2 commercial engineering program and submitting a pre feasibility study?

Speaker 2

Thanks. Good question there. Listen, I think we feel really good about where we are on the boric acid side. And kind of as I noted, boric kind of moving forward with budgetary bids, which is great. Know where we are basically up until that calcium stream and that's what we continue to assess.

Speaker 2

And so I think that's a little bit of the unknown today, but we have the parallel work stream where we have optionality to kind of keep going on gypsum? And as we kind of do more homework and go to partnership opportunities, whether it's existing producers or on the licensing side with existing technology packages, can we bolt that on because it's a better outcome for project economics. So I think that's like well aware of what we need to kind of do and teams working really hard to make sure we hit that timeline.

Speaker 6

Thank you. That concludes the investor submitted questions. And I will now turn the call back over to Paul Weidl, CEO of 5E Advanced Materials.

Speaker 2

Thank you, everyone, for your time and interest in 5e Advanced Materials. This does conclude our remarks. We have a tremendous opportunity in front of us to become the next producer of boric acid and lithium producer in the world. We do have that proven asset and a strategy to modular expand the asset over the next several years. Look forward to sharing this journey with all of you in the upcoming quarters to come.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

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