RF Industries Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • In Q4 FY24, net sales rose 16% year‐over‐year to $18.5 million with gross margin expanding to 31.3%, delivering the first operating profit in several quarters and adjusted EBITDA of $908 thousand.
  • The company reduced debt to $8.2 million from $14.1 million over the year, strengthening its balance sheet and lowering leverage.
  • RFI completed its transformation into a full solutions provider by adding turnkey small cell, DAS, industrial connectivity and DAC thermal cooling offerings to its core interconnect portfolio.
  • Management expects FY25 sales to exceed FY24 with Q1 revenue guided at roughly $18.5 million—up from $13.5 million in Q1 last year—and aims for at least a 10% adjusted EBITDA margin.
  • Despite productivity gains, the company faces rising wage pressures and insurance costs and is pursuing operational efficiencies to offset these headwinds.
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Earnings Conference Call
RF Industries Q4 2024
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There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the RF Industries 4th Quarter Fiscal 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode, It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Margaret Boyce, Investor Relations. Ma'am, the floor is yours.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Matt. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to RF Industries' fiscal 4th quarter and full year 2024 earnings call. With me on today's call are RFI's Chief Executive Officer, Rob Dawson President and COO, Ray Bibizzi and CFO, Peter Yin. We issued our Q4 earnings release aftermarket today. The release is available on our website at rfindustries.com.

Speaker 1

I'd like to remind everyone that during today's call, management will make forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Please note that these that this information on the call today may constitute forward looking statements under the Securities and Exchange laws. When used the words anticipate, believe, expect, intend, future and other similar expressions identify forward looking statements. These statements reflect management's current views with respect to future events and financial performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from the outcomes contained in any forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

Factors that could cause these forward looking statements to differ from actual results include the risks and uncertainties discussed in the company's reports on Form 10 ks and 10 Q and other filings with the SEC. RF Industries undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements. Additionally, throughout this call, we'll be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures. Today's earnings release and the related current report on Form 8 ks describe the differences between our GAAP and non GAAP reporting. With that said, I'll now turn the conference over to Rob Dawson, Chief Executive Officer.

Speaker 1

Rob, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Margaret, and welcome to our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 conference call. I'll start with our Q4 year end highlights and some comments on our market opportunity. Our President and COO, Ray, will discuss some sales and operations highlights and our CFO, Peter, will cover our financials before we open the call to your questions. Before I begin, I want to take a moment to share our thoughts and prayers with the communities devastated by the recent fires just up the coast from us in Los Angeles. We're grateful to the first responders for their total dedication and incredible bravery as they face the indescribable fury of several fires.

Speaker 2

And we're here to support our partners and customers in any way we can as they work hard to restore the critical communications infrastructure that we all depend on. Now turning to our results. Throughout fiscal 2024, our team delivered improving performance, which put us on solid ground at the year end. 4th quarter net sales rounded out to $18,500,000 up 16% from the $15,900,000 in the 4th quarter last year and up 10% sequentially from $16,800,000 reported in the 3rd quarter. Our gross profit margin for the 4th quarter increased to 31.3%.

Speaker 2

For the first time in several quarters, we delivered an operating profit, which directly reflected our commitment to driving greater profitability even as our key markets are still in recovery mode. Our adjusted EBITDA was $908,000 and non GAAP earnings per share came in at $0.04 We ended the year with a strong balance sheet after paying down our debt to just above $8,000,000 a significant improvement from $14,100,000 at the end of last fiscal year. During the Q4, we shipped a large amount of hybrid fiber products that had been in our backlog for quite some time. Importantly, this started to clear out some older inventory from the backlog. Moving forward, we have a much fresher backlog that consists of more current bookings with a more diverse product mix.

Speaker 2

Even with a tight market throughout the fiscal year, our financial performance demonstrated that we've been executing well on our continued transformation. We believe in our overall strategy and we stayed the course even through a challenging market over the last couple of years. This focus helped our company transform further into a full solutions provider by adding to our strong interconnect product offering with turnkey systems and applications like small cells, distributed antenna systems, industrial connectivity and DAC thermal cooling. Today, RFI is in a much stronger position, thanks to our team's dedication and hard work. We have the right products and solutions, the right relationships and the right positioning within our customer organizations.

Speaker 2

To optimize our potential, we rebooted our sales team with experienced talent who can really help us make a difference in our target markets, and we did this with minimal impact to overall expense. Going into fiscal year 2025, sales growth is a top priority, but we're also laser focused on profit improvement and achieving our goal of at least 10% adjusted EBITDA margin. To accomplish this, we're reviewing some creative approaches to the overall structure of our production and fulfillment operations. Over the next several quarters, we expect a vastly different operations infrastructure, and that will give us a competitive edge in the market, allow us to scale more quickly and deliver sustainable profitability with an adjusted EBITDA goal of 10% of sales or greater. Transformation is a continuous process, and we did a lot of heavy lifting during the cyclical downturn to position our business for the rebound.

Speaker 2

We think we're set up well for 2025 and beyond for several reasons. First, as I mentioned, we've strengthened our product offering with higher demand and higher value products, which in turn creates more leverage to fulfill a larger percentage of our customers' bill of materials. In addition to our core standard and custom interconnect offering, we have further transformed transformed into a solutions provider with our state of the art small cell solutions and DAC thermal cooling systems. Our ability to provide these solutions has become the tip of the spear for RFI to deepen our relationships at higher decision making levels within large and complex organizations. Achieving the status of a key vendor partner has been a long term strategic goal that's now materializing.

Speaker 2

2nd, we continue to see opportunity to grow in the Tier 1 wireless carrier ecosystem. In the short run, we expect our bigger wins to be in this space. Pent up demand for 4 gs and 5 gs connectivity will be an evolving topic. To stay competitive, our customers need to continuously improve their infrastructures to meet customer expectations for speed and coverage. Not only are they focused on the 4 gs and 5 gs macro sites, but also on network densification, which is needed to address coverage gaps and increasing consumer demand for reliable high speed connections everywhere.

Speaker 2

We've been at the forefront of the discussion around densification for years, and our leading edge products are a competitive advantage that should translate into getting our fair share of the pie. 3rd, with our new product innovations and additions, we're continuing to explore new market segments outside of the wireless carrier space to diversify our opportunity set. Here we see some favorable trends ahead for RFI. They're not quite at our doorstep and it's not going to happen overnight, but they're growing and we're ready to capitalize on these future opportunities. One example of the recovery is that we're starting to see the return of stadium and venue builds, which is a sign that overall spend is improving.

Speaker 2

Those stadiums are coming back smarter and more connected, and that requires innovative interconnect solutions to meet the ever increasing expectations of stadium customers. This revitalized market is expected to be worth $42,000,000,000 by 2029. Examples include sporting events like the World Cup, the Olympics, the Super Bowl and new baseball stadiums in markets like Las Vegas, as well as new venues and upgrades on the horizon for college campuses, medical facilities and casinos to name a few. Right now, we've accelerated our go to market strategy and assigned industry veterans who have relationships with the right key contractors and suppliers in this space. Importantly, RFI's strong reputation as a dependable and collaborative partner with a comprehensive range of connectivity solutions is a door opener for customers who want to limit their dealings to a handful of trusted vendors.

Speaker 2

We believe we're positioned correctly in our key target markets and that has expanded the pipeline of opportunities we're chasing and continuing to win in various markets. Looking forward, we feel good going into fiscal 2025. And in addition to our heavy focus on profitability, we expect the top line to be better than 2024. We're starting to see momentum and while it's not perfect, we have more clarity going forward than when we started fiscal 2024. While our fiscal Q1 is typically our weakest due to seasonality, with what we know today, we expect our fiscal 2025 Q1 to be roughly in line with 4th quarter's revenue of $18,500,000 a significant increase over the $13,500,000 that we reported in the Q1 last year.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn the call over to Ray for further commentary on sales and operations. Ray?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Rob. As you've mentioned, through our team's dedication and hard work, we've delivered improving financial results throughout fiscal year 2024. We have done a lot to reach this point, including the development of our broad high quality product and solutions portfolio and earning our customers' confidence as the go to source for connectivity and communication needs, quick turn solutions and attentive customer support. Like Rob said, on the sales side, we have been successful in strengthening our customers' relationships and building a greater presence with our wireless carrier ecosystem customers. As a result, we have now begun to capture some of their operating and maintenance budget, which is separate from CapEx and another revenue source for us.

Speaker 3

Being a qualified vendor for annual updates and upgrades in a carrier's maintenance budget, we believe we will be less susceptible to variability in CapEx spending. Now that we have the right products and solutions and the right positioning within organization, we have bolstered our sales team with experienced talent who can help us ramp up our sales initiatives in our targeted markets. And once again, we have accomplished this without increasing our overall expense. On the cost side, we've already made significant headway in streamlining our business and reducing our expenses significantly in fiscal 2024. That said, there are increasing costs outside of our control like wage pressures and escalating insurance expenses.

Speaker 3

We think we can overcome these heavy expenses through a higher level of sales, product rationalization and also a more creative and efficient ways of building and fulfilling our product orders through a more cost effective supply chain and improved operations. Over the next several quarters, we expect to have a completely redesigned operation infrastructure, which will aid in our goal of achieving at least 10% adjusted EBITDA and have a strong team that is fully engaged on the best ways to get there. I will now turn it over to Peter for the financial discussion. Peter?

Speaker 4

Thank you, Ray, and good afternoon, everyone. There's a lot of opportunity ahead for RFI and we've made great strides in carefully managing the business to improve our financial strength. During fiscal 2024, we made significant progress paying down our debt and improving our working capital position. We finished the year strong with shipments of hybrid fiber that had been in our backlog for quite some time. In addition, we're pleased to see order flow continue to recover.

Speaker 4

Starting with our 4th quarter results, net sales were $18,500,000 an increase of $2,600,000 or 16% year over year. For the full fiscal year, sales decreased $7,300,000 or 10 percent to $64,900,000 Importantly, gross profit margin in Q4 increased 2.90 basis points to 31.3% from 28.4 percent year over year. The margin increase reflected is not only due to our sales increase, but highlights our efforts to drive cost savings and operating efficiencies. 4th quarter operating income was $96,000 versus an operating loss of $1,100,000 for the comparable period, a significant delta year over year. And we are pleased to see that our focus on profitability delivered our 1st operating profit in several quarters.

Speaker 4

Our net loss for the quarter was $238,000 or $0.02 per diluted share, improved meaningfully from a net loss of $851,000 or $0.08 per diluted share year over year. And non GAAP net income was $394,000 or $0.04 per diluted share compared to non GAAP net loss of $434,000 or $0.04 per diluted share for Q4 2023. Finally, 4th quarter adjusted EBITDA was $908,000 compared to a negative adjusted EBITDA of $108,000 for Q4 2023. Full fiscal year adjusted EBITDA was $838,000 versus adjusted EBITDA of $460,000 in fiscal year 2023. Moving to the balance sheet.

Speaker 4

We continue to manage our working capital to strengthen our liquidity and overall capital structure. As of October 31, 2024, we had $839,000 in cash and cash equivalents. We had working capital of $11,000,000 a current ratio of approximately 1.6 with current assets of $29,100,000 dollars and current liabilities of $18,100,000 As of October 31, 2024, we have borrowed $8,200,000 from the line of credit. It is important to note that we have successfully delevered the balance sheet in 2024. Outstanding borrowings are down approximately $6,000,000 from $14,100,000 at the end of fiscal 2023.

Speaker 4

We are always reviewing the best capital structures for both short term and long term borrowing. As our overall performance have been improving, we are keeping a close eye on our borrowing costs for opportunities to improve to a more advantageous structure. At year end, our inventory was $14,700,000 down from $18,700,000 last year. This was by design as we implemented improvements to our procurement and supply chain processes. Moving on to our backlog.

Speaker 4

As of October 31, our backlog stood at $19,500,000 on bookings of $17,900,000 for the quarter. As of today, our backlog currently stands at $14,900,000 Our backlog we are reporting here is a snapshot in time and it can vary based on timing of orders received and order fulfillment. We view our backlog as a general gauge of health. However, it can swing wildly in our case and at times not be a good indication of our short term sales. As we noted earlier, a large amount of hybrid fiber was shipped during the Q4 that was in our backlog for quite some time.

Speaker 4

The timing of these shipments had multiple delays based on our customer requests, which we accommodated as their trusted partner. In summary, we delivered a solid Q4. We continue to execute on our sales strategy, pay down our line of credit, manage our inventory levels and continue to work on driving efficiencies and managing our expenses. Taken together, these actions drove our 4th quarter operating profit. As we begin our new fiscal year, we continue to believe our model has substantial operating leverage.

Speaker 4

We are optimistic about the future in the near and long term and our ability to drive growth and improve profitability. With that, I'll open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Your first question is coming from Matthew Boss from B. Riley. Your line is live.

Speaker 5

Hi. This is Matthew on for Josh Nichols. Thank you for taking my questions. Hey, Matthew. Yes.

Speaker 5

Hi. I was first wondering what would you say was the main contributor to the revitalized top line? And what's driving that going into the seasonally low Q1?

Speaker 2

Yes, good question. So I think from a top line perspective in Q4, we mentioned in our comments that a pretty significant amount of hybrid fiber that had been in our backlog for quite some time started to ship out in larger amounts during the quarter. So I think that was a help. We generally saw a recovery sort of across the board, but I think the we got a nice big push from some things that we had expected would have shipped much earlier. And as Peter mentioned in his comments, customers asked us to hold some things a little longer.

Speaker 2

So we did that and a lot of that went out in Q4. I think as we look at Q1, it's really more seeing a product mix shift overall where we've been seeing better bookings led to a stronger backlog as we ended the fiscal year. We talked about where it stands today. So we've been working through some of that new backlog as well. And I think we're just in general, we're seeing that these long term plans we've had in place to drive some better growth in newer product areas are really starting to show up and contribute.

Speaker 2

And I think that's the big difference between where we've been in prior years is we have visibility in the short term that shows what we can do in our fiscal Q1 where there's a couple of weeks left here. But I think beyond that, we're starting to get a better sense of these projects and these new product lines that have defined deployment plans that people have been sticking to which gives us some comfort around timing.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you. And just a follow-up on you mentioned Q1 a product mix shift with better bookings. But I'm wondering which products would you say are the most driving that shift?

Speaker 4

Yes. So you cut out a

Speaker 2

little bit on it, but I think I got the gist of it. So tell me if I'm getting it. I think you were asking about the product mix and what's driving the top line going forward. Is that the question you were asking?

Speaker 5

It was about which products specifically are most in demand and which are being prioritized for that shift in the mix.

Speaker 2

Got it. Yes. So we've seen I think generally we've seen overall sort of customer interest and spend picking up. So I think there's a little bit of all boats rise in there. I think the bigger thing is the agreements that we've put in place over the last 2 or 3 years with key customers in things like small cell and DAC thermal cooling are newer product areas for us.

Speaker 2

So we're seeing those start to contribute at higher levels than where they've been in the past. I also think we're starting to see stadiums and large venues come back in a better way, where that will help us not just, in product lines like the MicroLab product line, but it'll also help us in our standard and custom interconnect offer, whether that's fiber, copper, coax, wire harnesses all of those things benefit from sort of the recovery in general there. I think the but the big areas that we've been talking about for some time that are really starting to contribute now would be more in the DAC thermal cooling and small cell offering.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay, cool. That's great to hear. And I'd also appreciate some color on the redesigning operations infrastructure you're working on. And maybe you can quantify some of the expected savings?

Speaker 4

Yes. It's a good question.

Speaker 2

I think so at this point, we're not going to give a specific dollar amount on those savings. I think it's all in service of getting to that much stronger adjusted EBITDA margin, getting that north of 10%. We believe there's a way to get there. Over the next several quarters, we're doing some things just to be smarter about the way we do, not only procurement, which the team has spent a lot of time on, but is there a way are there better ways to partner with folks who can help us in preproduction work? We've seen some success with that in some of the newer product lines that we've talked about.

Speaker 2

I think there's ways for us to sort of waterfall that into some of the legacy product lines that we have as well. So that's really what the team is putting in the work on is how do we continue to drive better profitability on all product lines through a more streamlined operation structure overall.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay. And just last quarter you mentioned bringing in back orders with strong probability of becoming turnkey national programs. So I'm wondering if there's an update on that will contribute to this strong Q4?

Speaker 2

Sure. I think so in the Q4, we had some of that. And I think really the comments we've made in the past were around signing agreements and or putting structured agreements in place with key customers to provide DAC solutions in several markets. And we've had success regionally in certain customers. It is more than one customer.

Speaker 2

I think that's the good news is it's not a one off. We're starting to see it across multiple customers. And it's really we're starting to find opportunities in different regions. It's as usual, we put things in a lab. We go through tests.

Speaker 2

We then have a trial market and then that will grow into hopefully through success into a larger official market, which is what we've seen so far. We also have orders across several markets in smaller amounts. Our expectation is that as customers allocate their spending that this is an operating budget, typically operating and maintenance. As customers allocate that spending, it's never going to be a scenario where they hit every market every year. They're going to go on kind of a 7 to 10 year cycle of doing these updates to the equipment, whether that's rip and replace with new or some kind of a retrofit or maintenance fix.

Speaker 2

We think we're positioned really well with multiple customers to get some of that spend sort of market by market as they do deployments. And more to come on that. We've obviously seen some success. It's as I mentioned previously, some of that's helping us in our Q1, which again takes out some of that seasonality. We believe there's more opportunity there.

Speaker 2

And I think the team's executing really well, from a sales perspective on those relationships. As our technology and products prove themselves out, we're finding those opportunities to move into additional markets.

Speaker 5

Got it. Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 2

You're welcome. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Stephen Cove from Mangrove. Your line is live.

Speaker 6

Good afternoon, guys. Good quarter. Hey, Stephen. I had a couple of quick questions. One is, when we talk about facility rationalization, can you address, are we done with that at this point?

Speaker 6

Are there still opportunities there to work across the footprint that you have?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think we generally believe that the heavy lifting has already been done on that. We've consolidated into larger, more streamlined and more technology forward operations in both East Coast, West Coast. We've collapsed multiple legacy divisions into those. And I think there's the one thing there is probably room is for us to balance production East Coast, West Coast.

Speaker 2

One of the benefits we have, we're very close between the facilities in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut East and then the facility in Southern California. We've got a good footprint to service large customer projects in the heavy spend areas, where there's higher population for these densification kinds of plays and DAC thermal cooling. So I think generally, we're done with the heavy lifting. There are some tweaks that we think will give us some additional savings. And again, the load balancing where we can remove time and shipment cost of going coast to coast when we don't need to, I think it's still an area that we view as an opportunity.

Speaker 6

So another quick question. When you look at your mix of business today, Rob, between what's driven by CapEx versus service or operating maintenance budgets? How has that changed? I mean, if we look back over a couple of years ago and we look to where you want it to be, how does that what is the how would that mix look like in a perfect world?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think the important thing to note there is that's in the carrier space, right? A good percentage of our business obviously comes from the wireless carrier ecosystem. We also have 30%, 40% or more depending on the quarter of sales coming from more heavy industrial and localized and regionalized OEM manufacturers of other kinds of product lines. So I think your question is a great one.

Speaker 2

Since we see the wireless carrier space as such a big growth for us, I think historically there's always been some operating and maintenance. There's always scenarios where someone needs 50 or 100 new cable assemblies to repair something, whether that's because it was damaged or they're just doing an update. That's more operating budget. Anytime there's a natural disaster or something like that, whether it's things like fires or hurricanes, it's not uncommon for there to be an operating budget related to that piece as well, where we've always played in and had a decent amount of business. I think historically, if you were to break it out in that market though, probably 30% to 40% of our sales were going into those kinds of applications and a heavier amount was more CapEx related and the bigger spend.

Speaker 2

As we've added new product lines, that's where the shift really happens is you kind of have to look by product type where that might break down. We believe the DAC thermal cooling business is one that is largely OpEx, not all of it, but it's largely OpEx. And we think we can get to a point in the carrier space where as that contributes more, we should see it sort of balance out more to a fifty-fifty sort of breakdown in total between carrier CapEx, carrier OpEx and kind of odds and ends in between. But I think whether the percentages are exactly right or not, the big thing for us is we think that can help take out some of the seasonality that we always experienced because in our fiscal Q1, if you're looking for 3 tough months to throw together in a quarter, it's November, December, January. You have every seasonal headwind kind of thrown together into 1, 3 month window.

Speaker 2

And we think things like OpEx spend and the DAC thermal cooling offer in particular can really help us smooth out some of that seasonality.

Speaker 6

And thank you. And one last one, just if you could speak to your change in the sales force and where have you been adding? How many people have you added and where are you adding them? And what type of experience? Where have you how have you been able to attract into the company?

Speaker 2

Sure. Yes. So it's not a huge amount of people. I mean, I think one thing I've been very clear on since I joined here years ago is, look, we're a small company. We need to rely on force multipliers like our distribution channel, like our manufacturers reps, folks that are feet on the street to help us grow the business without overspending.

Speaker 2

We could go hire 100 people and great, now we're going to have a different issue, which is just the cost of doing so. We've largely traded out expense as we've seen other expenses come down or some transitioning of people within our sales team. We've been very focused at bringing in people who have existing relationships, who have some time they spent in these key markets with these key customers. They know them. We're able to allocate those folks by account and or by region, which helps us, I think, have a very targeted approach to how we're going to grow and focused on the right product lines and applications that we've seen as an opportunity for us.

Speaker 2

The other part of your question around where we find these people, how do they come to us? I think the thing that I've appreciated in the whole time that I've been here is, we have a great reputation as a company. And as we've added good like minded positive people, that's something I'd say to the team all the time, as we got to surround the little company noise that you can get caught up in. We're doing a good job. We're growing.

Speaker 2

We're taking share in spots. We're adding a good offer. I think we need people that believe in the story and understand it and can go make this happen. And interestingly, people a lot of times reach out to us. I think back on when we added people like Ray, we added a woman like Marybeth Smith in the last year who came from several of our pasts in ways that we've worked together.

Speaker 2

And that's kind of how we're finding these new folks is some of them call us. In other cases, we identify an opportunity or a need for us in the market. And there's a short list of names that come up and we make some calls. And I think what we've found generally is people are receptive to that opportunity and if they're at a point in their career where making a change can make some sense, they show up here and we love it. It's I think the biggest thing for me is surrounding these opportunities and this transformation of the company with more like minded people who want to be positive, want to help make a difference.

Speaker 2

There's not a lot else we need at that point. We think the strategy is sound and our offer is sound. We just got to execute on it.

Speaker 6

Sounds good. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our Q and A session. I will now hand the conference back to Rob Duttos for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

That's great. Thank you, Matt, and thank you everyone for joining us today. We look forward to sharing our fiscal Q1 results in March. Until then, stay safe and thank you for your support of RFI.

Operator

Thank you, everyone. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

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