MarineMax Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Snap-on EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.17
• Consensus EPS: -$0.14
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.31
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Snap-on Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: N/A
• Expected Revenue: $485.46 million
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Snap-on Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 1/23/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, January 23, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 10:00AM ET

Snap-on (NYSE:SNA) manufactures and markets tools, equipment, diagnostics, and repair information and systems solutions for professional users worldwide. It operates through Commercial & Industrial Group, Snap-on Tools Group, Repair Systems & Information Group, and Financial Services segments. The company provides hand tools, including wrenches, sockets, ratchet wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, punches and chisels, saws and cutting tools, pruning tools, torque measuring instruments, and other related products; power tools, such as cordless, pneumatic, and hydraulic and corded tools; and tool storage products comprising tool chests, roll cabinets, and other products. It provides handheld and computer-based diagnostic products, service and repair information products, diagnostic software solutions, electronic parts catalogs, business management systems and services, point-of-sale systems, integrated systems for vehicle service shops, original equipment manufacturer purchasing facilitation services, and warranty management systems and analytics; and engineered solutions. In addition, the company offers solutions for the service of vehicles and industrial equipment that include wheel alignment equipment, wheel balancers, tire changers, vehicle lifts, test lane equipment, collision repair equipment, vehicle air conditioning service equipment, brake service equipment, fluid exchange equipment, transmission troubleshooting equipment, safety testing equipment, battery chargers, and hoists, as well as after-sales support services and training programs. Further, it provides financing programs to facilitate the sales of its products and support its franchise business. It serves the aviation and aerospace, agriculture, infrastructure construction, government and military, mining, natural resources, power generation, and technical education industries. Snap-on Incorporated was incorporated in 1920 and is headquartered in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

Snap-on Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Operator]

Good morning, and welcome to the MarineMax, Inc. Fiscal 2025 First Quarter Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation.

[Operator]

I would now like to turn the call over to Scott Solomon of the company's Investor Relations, Sharon Merrill Advisors. Please go ahead, sir.

[Scott Solomon, Investor Relations at Sharon Merrill Advisors]

Good morning and thank you for joining us. Hosting today's call are Brett McGill, MarineMax's Chief Executive Officer and President and Mike McLanum, the company's Chief Financial Officer. Brett will begin the call by discussing MarineMax's operating highlights. Mike will review the financial results and then management will be happy to take your questions. The earnings release and supplemental presentation associated with today's announcement can be found at investor.

[Scott Solomon, Investor Relations at Sharon Merrill Advisors]

Marineax.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike. Mike?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thank you, Scott. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining this call. I'd like to start by reminding you that certain of our comments are forward looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any forward looking statements speak only as of today. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

These risks include, but are not limited to, the impact of seasonality and weather, global economic conditions and the level of consumer spending, the company's ability to capitalize on opportunities or grow its market share and numerous other factors identified in our Form 10 ks and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Also in today's call, we will make comments referring to non GAAP financial measures. We believe that the inclusion of these financial measures helps investors gaining a meaningful understanding of the changes in the company's core operating results. These metrics can also help investors who wish to make comparisons between MarineMax and other companies on both a GAAP and a non GAAP basis. The reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in today's earnings release.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

With that, let me turn the call over to Brett. Brett?

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Thank you, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before we get into the details of the quarter, let me take a moment to commend our team for their exceptional commitment to serving our customers across every aspect

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

of our business. We ended our fiscal year focused on the cleanup and restoration of many of our locations from Hurricane Helene and spent a fair portion of the Q1 of fiscal 2025 repeating the process as a result of the Hurricane Milton. We are grateful for the extraordinary efforts our team has demonstrated even as many continue to navigate the disruptions caused by the storms in their own lives and communities. Operationally, the December quarter revenue was strained with the combination of the hurricanes and the soft retail demand across the outdoor recreation space. While the top line was a bit lighter than we had anticipated, it isn't surprising that the shortfall largely came from the disruption to the entire state of Florida.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Having said that, it does seem that potential new boat buyers have remained on the sidelines given the mixed economic data, persistent inflation uncertainty and a tenuous geopolitical climate. It's difficult to dissect precisely how much of the 11% decrease in same store sales in Q1 was the result of the hurricanes versus the macroeconomic environment, except to say that both were impactful. Although the premium segment of the retail boat market was not immune from those headwinds, our strong presence in this high value category sets us apart. This segment characterized by more resilient demand and customer loyalty often recovers faster during market improvements. By providing exclusive brands, top tier products and tailored services to our premium customers, we are strategically positioned to navigate these challenges effectively and take advantage of growth opportunities as demand rebounds.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Gross margin came in at over 36% in the quarter, which was particularly impressive in light of the underlying retail market. 2 factors drove the increase. 1st, the promotional environment and mix of sales and second, our strategic focus on driving growth from our higher margin businesses. It's worth noting that our non boat revenue has grown significantly from 2019 and over that time we have seen a measured increase in gross margin. Our higher margin businesses including marinas, superyacht services, finance and insurance and brokerage services continue to perform well and provide us with more durable margin streams.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

To that point, our December quarter financial results spotlight the success of our related diversification strategy. Despite a nearly $60,000,000 decline in revenue, hurricanes and a challenged environment, our higher margins helped insulate the business as reflected in our consistent adjusted EBITDA compared with last year. Our expense initiatives certainly contributed, but the primary building block is the profit contribution from our higher margin businesses. On the expense side of the business, as Mike will discuss, we are focused on improving efficiencies and continuing to seek areas to reduce costs. We have made significant progress and remain focused on pursuing further improvements.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Turning to other highlights, many of our stores recently expanded with our Cruisers Yachts brand. Now all of our stores in key regions in the Southern U. S. Including Texas, the Florida Panhandle and West Florida will feature the full range of Cruisers Yacht. This includes the new 57 FLY which recently debuted at the Fort Lauderdale Boat Show.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

In addition, our Intrepid Power Boats brand recently enhanced its leadership with the appointment of Terry McNew as the brand's President. Terry brings more than 3 decades of marine industry experience to Intrepid, including executive roles at Brunswick and MasterCraft. Terry's vision and leadership will help build upon Intrepid's strong foundation and drive the brand's continued success in delivering world class powerboats to our customers. I also want to spotlight the outstanding work of Steve English and the IGY Marina's team in continuing to expand the global recognition of what we believe is the world's premier marina brand. Membership in our exclusive IGY Trident program is growing, allowing more superyacht owners and captains to enjoy the benefits of guaranteed dockage and priority access at some of the world's premier marinas, especially as dock space becomes increasingly scarce.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Steve and the team are also nearing completion of the new IGY Savannah Harbor Marina, which is scheduled to open in March. NewWave Innovations continues to lead the way with technological advancements that will drive more synergies across our portfolio. We continue to gain a strategic advantage in the market with our innovation and technology platforms. And with that, let me turn the call back to Mike for the financial review. Mike?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thank you, Brett, and good morning again, everyone.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

I want to echo Brett's sentiments about the resilience of our team in navigating the challenges of the current market and the storms. As Brett noted, our top line performance reflected both the impact from 2 hurricanes and the softer retail environment. The industry registration data for each month in the quarter continued to reflect the challenges we are facing. Although we did see increased retail activity following the storms and in November, on a sequential basis December retail was less than expected resulting in a softer close to the quarter. Our same store sales were down 11%, while units were down in the mid single digit range, meaning our AUP was also down.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Not surprisingly, lower sales in Florida, which typically are larger in nature, was the biggest driver of the AUP decline. While our gross profit declined in absolute dollars due to lower revenue, as Brett pointed out, our gross margin was healthy reflecting the benefits from our strategy of expanding into higher margin businesses. As we go through the income statement, keep in mind that our GAAP results include a $25,800,000 gain from an adjustment to the fair value of contingent consideration. Much of the gain is from the earn out reconciliation related to IGY. As we have said on prior calls, IGY continues to perform well and we are very pleased with our overall performance.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

However, contingent consideration liabilities can fluctuate based on the achievement of certain predefined qualitative and quantitative milestones. Excluding the items noted in the press release in both periods, adjusted SG and A in the quarter decreased year over year to 149,400,000 As part of our strategic cost reduction initiatives and to align our footprint with the current market environment, we consolidated or sold 3 locations during the quarter and took other actions designed to enhance our operational efficiencies. As mentioned during our year end earnings call, we see inflation in several key areas, but we continue our focus of strengthening our operational profile through disciplined and targeted expense management. In the Q1, we incurred a charge of $5,000,000 to write off damages associated with Hurricane Milton, the large majority of which we anticipate will be covered by insurance. Income tax expense was $2,100,000 in the quarter, which reflects a rather low effective tax rate compared to what we have guided.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

The IRS concurred with our characterization of several foreign entities resulting in a one time benefit during the quarter that significantly reduced our effective tax rate. GAAP net income for the quarter was $18,100,000 or $0.77 per diluted share. Adjusted net income for the quarter was $4,100,000 or $0.17 per diluted share compared with $4,400,000 or $0.19 per diluted share last year. 1st quarter adjusted EBITDA of $26,100,000 was nearly flat with last year, which is a strong result considering the year over year revenue decrease. Turning to the balance sheet.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Cash and cash equivalents totaled $145,000,000 compared with $210,000,000 at the end of last year's Q1, primarily due to the timing of inventory purchases and related financing. Although inventories were up more than anticipated at quarter end due to lower than expected revenue, our floorplan lenders note that our inventory remains much fresher and more current than the industry as a whole. To ensure it stays that way, we have adjusted where appropriate future orders and implemented proven programs to keep the aging of our inventory in check. With higher inventory, short term borrowings, which consists of floorplan financing, also increased. Consistent with the increased availability of inventory, customer deposits declined.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

At quarter end, our debt to EBITDA net of cash stood at just over 1.6 times, which highlights our ongoing financial strength. With our focus on inventory and related aging, we will continue to maintain a healthy balance sheet. Additionally, we have significant financial flexibility through our additional unencumbered inventory and access to approximately $200,000,000 in available lines of credit. The fiscal 2025 outlook we provided on our year end call in October has not changed. Industry wide, we continue to expect unit sales to be essentially flat with fiscal 2024 with inventory levels likely normalizing as we move through the selling season.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Promotional activity will remain elevated in the second quarter with improvement as we move into the back half of the fiscal year. Although industry conditions were challenging in the quarter, with the start of the boat show season and expected improved clarity in the geopolitical environment, we are cautiously optimistic about our same store sales remaining flattish on a year over year basis. We expect adjusted EBITDA within our targeted range of $150,000,000 to $180,000,000 with adjusted net income in the range of $1.80 to $2.80 per diluted share. In addition, we continue to forecast consolidated gross margins in the low 30% range for the fiscal year. These expectations did not consider or give effect for among other things material acquisitions that we may complete or other unforeseen events including weather and changes in global economic conditions.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Looking at current business conditions, we are expecting January revenue to be up over the prior year. While that is encouraging, it's important to keep

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

in mind that January is typically the smallest month of the March quarter. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Brett for closing comments. Brett?

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Thanks, Mike. While economic conditions in the recreational marine industry have been challenging, we anticipate that the pace of activity will improve as we move into the spring selling season.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Early activity at this year's retail boat shows has been encouraging, and we believe that our position within the premium category of the segment will enable us to achieve meaningful growth and outperform the industry as market conditions recover. As a leader in the recreational marine market, our strategic advantage centers on the diverse yet complementary nature of our portfolio. All of the pieces are related and we continue to leverage the synergies. Every aspect of our business from retail locations to marinas, superyacht services, finance and insurance operations and manufacturing is interconnected with each component strengthening and supporting the others to drive overall success. We are confident in our ability to execute our growth strategy by focusing on innovation, enhancing customer experiences and further expanding our higher margin businesses.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

And with that, Mike and I will be happy to take your questions. Operator, please open up the line for Q and A.

[Operator]

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. We ask that all callers limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. Our first question comes from the line of Joe Altobello with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Thanks. Hey, guys. Good morning.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Good morning.

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Question was on SG and A.

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Trying to

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

get a sense for where you

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

guys see SG and A this year. I think on the last earnings call, you seem to imply about 50 basis points of leverage with the annualization of $20,000,000 to $25,000,000 of cuts, but you're also seeing some creep in other costs. So given what we saw in Q1, what's a good realistic number for SG and A this year?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Hey, Joe, it's Mike. Good question. We said last call that we were aiming to get back SG and A as a percentage of revenue equal or approximating where it was in 2023, which at the time was about 100 basis point overall reduction. But because of the inflationary cost increases that we are seeing, we probably alluded to something less than 100, but that's still our target for this year when the year ramps up on a full year basis. Obviously, as a percentage, it jumps around quarter to quarter based on how strong retail activity is, but that's what we're shooting for.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

I think I again said in the prepared remarks that we do see inflation still in certain parts of the business that we're challenged with, but we're not giving up our overall goal of improving the operational efficiencies of the company.

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Got it. Helpful. And maybe just a follow-up on that. Could you speak to the insurance market in Florida either for boats and or marinas? Have you seen any material uptick in premiums for example or seeing insurers leaving the market?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Another good question. As of now, on the retail insurance, like for people who are buying boats from us, we have not experienced an increase from the people who insure boats in Florida. It won't surprise me if there is something in the future once the dust all settles. Likewise, when you think about just the nature of the storms and also even the fires all the way out West, unfortunately for the people out there, you would think that the storms and the fires would have some type of an impact on the insurance market. But when it comes to companies ensuring the risks that we have, the property risks that we have, We haven't seen any specific increases yet, but we're mindful that there could be some.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

And those are some of the inflationary pressures I mentioned on our last earnings call specific to insured. So we're waiting and seeing right now, Joe, I guess is what I'd say on both.

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Okay. And just one last one if I could. Given the one time benefit in Q1, what are you expecting for a full year tax rate?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

We guided to 26.5%. I haven't changed that in the overall guidance. And actually, I'll just comment on that, Joe. So the benefit in Q1 is about $0.12 in the quarter. So if we're $0.17 on a GAAP basis because of the effective rate adjustment, that's about a $0.12 impact in that quarter.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

In the scheme of a whole year, I didn't think it was material enough to adjust the overall guidance yet. We'll keep watching that to see if we need to bring the effective rate down a little bit for the full year.

[Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Okay. Thank you.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks, Joe.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Thanks, Joe.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Drew Crum with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

[Drew Crum, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Okay. Thanks. Hey, guys. Good morning. So just a question on the adjusted gross margin.

[Drew Crum, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

I think the 36 percent plus for the quarter would seem to be pacing ahead of where you thought it might be for the year, which I believe was closer to 32%, 33% range. Do you see upside to your original gross margin assumption based on the fiscal 1Q performance? Or should we expect this to fall in subsequent quarters? And if so, what would be the drivers for that? Thanks.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Hey, Drew. Good question, Ed, comment. It's Mike. Margins do change throughout the year. Typically when you get into the higher volume quarters like March June, they are lower gross margins when you look kind of historically in our company.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

So obviously, we're pleased with the overall by the way, that's not an adjusted gross margin, that is the gross margin. I know we have a couple of different adjusted numbers in there, but we're pleased with where the 36% is in the quarter. And hopefully, as we move through the year, there's an opportunity to talk about improved margins. But I think at this point, we keep the margin guidance in that low 30% range as we mentioned.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

And I'll add, Drew, that when

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

you have the sales, when we had the loss of the sales in the quarter from hurricanes and other factors that obviously puts a higher percentage comes from the higher margin businesses. So that's part of the contribution to that higher margin you see.

[Drew Crum, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Got it. Okay. And then maybe just one housekeeping item. On the interest expense line, it was up a little bit on a dollar basis and as a percentage of revenue year on year, obviously, a lot of moving pieces here. But how do you see that moving around over the balance of the year?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks, Drew. Yes, it's up primarily because inventory is up and the related financing of inventory is up. I think it's so I think the press release says, our prepared remarks says inventory is elevated higher than we would have expected it to be. When we work through and typically the December quarter or the March quarter is peak inventory. Hopefully, as we move through the March quarter, it's going to prove out that we that December was peak inventory and as inventories come down, hopefully somewhat in March and then again in June seasonally and then end the year a little bit lower, interest expense will have an opportunity to begin to reduce accordingly.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

We are getting the benefit now of 100 basis points in total in terms of reduction, not all of that's for the full fiscal year. The 2 most recent cuts obviously are just for the remaining 9 months of the year, which will be beneficial.

[Drew Crum, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Okay. All right. Helpful. Thanks, guys.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Swartz with Truist. Please proceed with your question.

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Hey, guys. Good morning.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Good morning.

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Maybe just to start, I'm just wondering across your business, look, Florida is seasonally larger piece of the business and for the industry in the December quarter. I'm just wondering, were there regional disparities between the retail volume that you saw?

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

In other words, outside of Florida, would it have been better than down 11?

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

You're saying that kind of the difference between out Florida and non Florida stores revenue. Is that what you're asking, Mike?

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Yes.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

I think that I'll categorize Mike, help me out here. I believe that our non Florida revenue was pretty flat, like almost exactly flat and the variation tend to come from Florida almost completely.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Correct. Yes. Brett's prepared remarks actually said that the decline in revenue was heavily weighted towards Florida during the quarter.

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

And just to clarify, on a comparable store basis, was it flat as well outside of Florida?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Yes. You're going to get I'm sure when you break it apart, you're going to have regions that were up or down, but in total outside of Florida's business was flat to last year in the quarter.

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Okay. That's helpful. I appreciate that. And then just in terms of a lot of moving pieces to gross profit margin and understanding seasonality as part of the equation with a lot of the non boat sale or boat businesses being a larger portion of sales in December. But is there any way of looking

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

at just kind of stripping all that out what boat margins were relative to last year?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Yes, I can comment on that Joe. I think for those of you who have followed us for a long time, you'll remember that last year's December quarter, we sensed softness in the industry and we got very aggressive from a promotional perspective. I think on this call last year, we talked about that we pretty much went alone. A lot of the manufacturing partners were they typically don't they typically have not started with all their incentives yet given the cycle coming out of 2023. In the current quarter, the manufacturing partners are doing what they normally would be doing in an environment like we're in.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

So there is additional support coming from manufacturers, but it's really more normal support, I would stress, coming from them. So while we're going to market more aggressively, we have some additional help from the manufacturing partners this quarter versus last year.

[Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities]

Okay, helpful. Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Fred Wightman with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

[Fred Wightman, Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

Hey, guys. Good morning. I'm just hoping from a very high level, if we think about some of the puts and takes for the top line, I mean, rates are probably higher than you would have thought they would have been 3 or 4 months ago. You've talked about a choppy retail environment. December was weak and inventories are above plan.

[Fred Wightman, Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

So when you put all that together, like what is driving the cautious optimism for 'twenty five? Like where is the offset on the top line to keep the full year outlook unchanged?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Go ahead. I could take a stab and then Brett could repair anything that I'd say. But when we came out of the storms, we had good retail activity in Lauderdale. There were a couple of press releases that certain manufacturers put out that largely reflected what we did. The month of November was honestly a pretty decent month now.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

It's always hard to say how much of that is makeup from the storms, how much of that is retail activity. December was softer. We're in boat shows right now that generally are going they're not all 100% great, but they're generally going pretty good. And we feel at least there's clarity in terms of the political environment. And I think the expectation is that with that clarity and with things settling down, hopefully there'll be improved retail activity.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Yes, I think just I'll add to it that December was much tougher than we had anticipated. Like we said, November was great, but really when you dig down, Mike said it, we probably were just getting business that didn't happen because of the hurricanes in October. So you pushed, December was rough. I think you'll hear that across a lot of industries probably. And then January, Mike commented that things are looking up for January.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

And I know we commented it's a small month, but it's important month leading into these boat shows. So it is up right now.

[Fred Wightman, Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

That's helpful. Thanks. And then, I think entering the fiscal year, you guys had alluded to the timing of the recovery for the Florida market is probably being the biggest unknown entering the year.

[Fred Wightman, Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

And I'm wondering if that's still a fair characterization and if you could maybe update us on how you see the broader Florida market recovering versus plan?

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Yes. I think you got to you probably break it down into a couple of parts, right? There were stores that were disrupted because of the storm, meaning preparing, they might get hit, but they never did get hit. So that was just very disruptive, call it October.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

And that's they picked up that business. Those stores, I'd say, they're all back up and running and rocking and rolling. And then there are stores that were damaged by the storm. The communities were damaged, the docks, the people's homes. I don't even know the timeline on some of that.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

I know our stores, our teams are resilient and we put mobile trailers up, computers are working and we're engaged in business and we're selling boats, but people's homes and docks and their life has to get back in order too. So it's I don't have a timeline for it other than I'm impressed with what the team is doing under the circumstances.

[Fred Wightman, Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

Okay. Thanks a lot.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks, Fred.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of John Healy with Northcoast Research. Please proceed with your question.

[John Healy, MD & Research Analyst at Northcoast Research]

Great. Thanks for taking

[John Healy, MD & Research Analyst at Northcoast Research]

my question. Mike, I wanted to spend just a minute on the gross margins a little bit more detailed. In the release, you talked about 3 or 4 things that kind of help that improvement. I was wondering if you could maybe give a little bit more granularity on the contribution of each. And then thinking about the go forward, just the ultimate contribution that some of those items can have and maybe where you kind of see a more steady state gross margin profile for the business?

[John Healy, MD & Research Analyst at Northcoast Research]

Thanks.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks, John. Good question. I tell you, I think the biggest driver of the business is the growth in our higher margin businesses that we've expanded with and improved upon. They all grew in absolute dollars over prior year. The higher margins as a percentage, I think last year we were probably in this quarter something like 25%, 26%.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

This year we're over 30%. And that part of that what Brett said, when you have a decline in revenue in the neighborhood of $60,000,000 year over year, your higher margin businesses are going to expand. But I do still think on a full year basis, the low 30s is kind of the right number to be thinking about. I think long term as we continue to think about the business and even as we continue to complete acquisitions, we're pretty focused on adding businesses that have a profile with higher margins. For the reasons you see this quarter, they tend to be more stable, a little more resilient, help support the overall operations, the EBITDA and cash flows of the organization.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

So I think long term, there'll be another discussion about where margins go to. But today, I think the low-30s is probably the right number to about where margins go to. But today I think the low-30s is probably the

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

right number to be thinking about.

[John Healy, MD & Research Analyst at Northcoast Research]

Thank you very much.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks, John.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Rollais with D. A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

[Brandon Rollé, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies]

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. First on retail, I think you had mentioned flattish retail expectations for the remainder of the year. Do those expectations bake in any share gains versus the industry where maybe you're expecting the industry to be down year over year?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Actually, that's a really good question, Brandon. Normally, as you guys know, we significant part of our business. I think I said last call, it was roughly 25% of our business. I think I said last call, it was roughly 25% of our business. So we haven't changed that.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

I mean typically we would outperform the industry. So our flattish sales are consistent with what we said about the industry, which is flattish. So hopefully as the year goes on, there could be some upside in that if the industry is in fact flat and our stores have recovered and we can beat that.

[Brandon Rollé, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies]

Okay, great. And then on inventory, I think you in the press release mentioned being a little bit elevated in some areas. I'd imagine you're in a better position than other industry participants. Could you talk about maybe pressure points in your own inventory and then maybe what you're seeing, for the broader industry? Thank you.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Brandon, this is Brad. I'll comment first. I think our focus on our aged product and working with the manufacturers to get the orders right and get those boats out, we feel good about where our inventory is at from a quality, less age, still some work to do there. We're laser focused here at the boat shows in this winter season to get those any last bits of those cleaned up. So Mike, you want to add anything?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

It's just elevated. We expected higher sales. And so when you have less sales and you have the product that you were hoping to sell, you have a little higher inventory. But I feel pretty comfortable that as we move through 2025, inventories will improve and come in check overall.

[Brandon Rollé, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies]

Okay. And for the broader industry?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

A broader industry, the data that we keep seeing and hearing is just that there continues to be an aging problem and they're far more aged than we are, more noncurrents, more older product than we have. I suspect as we go through 2025, that will also improve for the overall industry too.

[Brandon Rollé, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies]

Okay, great. Thank you.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks, Brandon.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Albanese with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

[Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC]

Yes. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here. First one, as it relates to expense reduction, I'm just trying to get a sense of white space or I guess what leverage you can pull. I mean you closed 3 stores on the quarter.

[Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC]

Were these more one off kind of portfolio optimization situations? Or how can we think about really your unit count as we move throughout the year, kind of taking your, I guess, retail assumptions

[Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC]

as flat retail?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Yes. I think we don't have a ton of other stores that we can close. Think we've roughly closed 10 retail locations in the last 3 or 4 quarters. Most of those were duplicated where there's another store nearby that we're not really going to miss the revenue.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

The other expense initiatives, I think we mentioned on the last call, we certainly have looked at our number of team members, our resources and made adjustments where it makes sense for the current environment. Ourselves and our team are really going line by line in the P and L and looking at every expense that we have and contracts that we write, recurring expenses. In the current quarter, we've had nice reductions really in a lot of other areas in the business, marketing, other areas, T and E, etcetera in the quarter. Unfortunately, you had some inflation coming in though that helps to offset some of that. But we're going to stay focused on it and continue to look for areas to improve the overall operational profile of the company.

[Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC]

Got it. That's helpful. Thanks. And then just one more if I could go back and ask about kind of the promotional and discounting activity. Inventories up a little bit on the quarter, but I think across the industry barring some certain segments that need a little bit more of a destock, channel inventories are a bit tighter.

[Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC]

You're in a good position, less aged product. And you kind of quoted more normal support from OEMs. I mean, so is your expectation then as we move into selling season, again, holding your assumptions is true that we'll start to see more relief and kind of stay within that normal cadence? Are you expecting the promotional activity to remain significant kind of throughout the year?

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Mike, this is Brett. I think we're going to continue to see some aggressive promotional activity from manufacturers dealers across the country especially during this winter boat show season to get inventory levels in the aging, everything you just pointed out, we got to get that right.

[Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC]

Right.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

But I think we're in a good position with all those manufacturers we're lined up and ready for it. And we have a lot of product that's fresh and new and those bring higher margins with new innovation. So there's a good balance between those.

[Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC]

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks guys.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Thanks Mike.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of James Hardiman with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

Hey, good morning guys.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Good morning, James.

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

So wanted

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

to quickly circle. Good morning. Wanted to circle back to the inventory conversation. So just looking at the balance sheet, I think inventory dollars, right, are up 18% year over year. I guess first question is that an apples to apples number?

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

Oftentimes there's some M and A in there. I don't know if there's some ASP in there. Just trying to get sort of a clean apples to apples. How much are units up in terms of your inventory year over year? And then as I think about the go forward, it sounds like you expect orders to be significantly less than retail going forward to bring that number down.

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

How long is that going to last? And what does that inventory number look like year over year as we work our way through the year?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Yes. There's really nothing from an anomaly perspective in the comparison year over year other than last year, there were still categories where we were lean in inventory and we did expect and then we did articulate that we were expecting to have inventory up this December versus last year's December. It just finished higher because of the lighter sales than we had actually achieved. On a unit over unit basis, I actually don't recall what it's up year over year, James. I typically go back and look at where were we versus 2019 because a lot of people historically had asked that question and we're way down from 2019 as the industry is, which doesn't surprise you.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

And then the tweaking of the orders and stuff that I mentioned on our prepared remarks, it is just that it's fine tuning around the edges where it makes sense with our manufacturing partners. And we quite frankly, we always do that. We're always adjusting up or down where based on retail activity. We said on our call last quarter that we expect the year inventory dollars to finish around where they were last year, if not a little bit below. And that is still where we're targeting.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Obviously, it's all subject to retail activity, but that's still what we're targeting for the full year.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

And James, I'll add that I think with December usually being a bigger boat selling month for sure and that being off, I think our ASP on inventory jumped a touch for sure. And then that's why I made the comment about promotional activity. We're going to press the pedal to bring the inventory down here, especially in these winter boat show events.

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

Got it. That's helpful. And then curious what you think drove the January improvement. It sounds like December was pretty bad. January sounds like it was pretty good.

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

I know it was a small month, but is that Florida getting better, ASPs getting better, boats, non boats, what's driving improvement in January? And then I guess in the context of the full year guide, right, same store sales in the December quarter were a little worse than expected, but you still expect to get to flattish same store sales, which would imply presumably some growth during the remaining three quarters. I guess I'm trying to figure out how we get there and what that looks like. Originally, I think a lot of us had modeled sort of a slower first half and then a pickup in the second half, but then January is up. So just help us in terms of at least how you guys are thinking about that flow through the year?

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

But I'd definitely comment that we watch things daily and weekly from some of the high technology investments we've made. They can tell us a lot. So we can drive things quickly. December was just tough to get people in and so we had to make some adjustments. So I'll give a little credit to our pretty innovative technology that we have to be able to drive some business in January.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

But I would also say there's a feeling of a different consumer sentiment, so to speak, of putting in leads and us being able to convert those leads or get the people in the showroom. So there's just I'll summarize it down to a little bit of a traffic uptick for January.

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

Do you let me ask you this way. Do you think, again, in the context of your full year flatter same store sales, the rest of the year would need to be up at least modestly, right? It's not a big quarter, obviously, the December quarter. But do you think the Q2 can and will be up in terms of same store sales?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Hey, James, it's Mike. So when I think about actually, I was going to chime in, but I apologize. So I was going to say what you just said, the December quarter is a small quarter. The back half of the year is or the back three quarters of the year are all much bigger. We do have easier comps for sure in the September quarter assuming there's no other hurricanes because we were down 5% September of 2024.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

So we have an easier comp there. March quarter is easier. The June comps relative to what we normally have done in this organization, the 4% in June is not all that top relative to what we've comped. So I think the back half of the year gives us an opportunity to have flattish comps for the whole year.

[James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi]

Got it. That's helpful. Thanks guys.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thanks James.

[Operator]

Our final question comes from the line of David MacGregor with Longbow Research. Please proceed with your question.

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

Yes, good morning, everyone. I just wanted to follow-up, Mike, on your commentary around the revenue outlook for 2025. You'd mentioned that you'd closed 10 locations over the last 3 to 4 quarters. What does that loss of revenue represent as a headwind within the mix of factors going into that guidance?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Good question, David. So what I commented is really almost all those locations are duplicative, meaning there's a hub store in the same marketplace or at least adjacent to it. And then in a couple of cases where we've actually maybe left the market, the larger boat revenue that may have been recorded in the stores that were in that market is largely going to be recorded by us anyhow because of the way we structure our dealer agreements with manufacturers, we have very large territories. So we're not expecting really any headwinds from the locations that we've closed to date

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

or Very slight.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Yes, very slight headwind. But we would have adjusted our guidance if we were concerned about that. So it's a good question, but it's really just closing primarily duplicative locations, David.

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

Okay. Thanks for that. I guess somebody has to ask the obligatory question around tariffs. How do you think about your exposure there?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

It's a

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

good question. When I think about our business, we do import product. The biggest region we import product from that's decent size is Europe. Outside of Europe, we don't nothing is real material overall in terms of the percentage of revenue. And with Europe, I guess if there is a tariff on Europe with the strength in the dollar today where the Europe is staying near parity for most of our existence, we brought boats in from Europe at a much higher euro.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

So at least in theory, a reasonable level of tariff, while nobody wants it, we don't want it. It's something we could probably navigate between us and our manufacturing partners. So we're watching it like everybody else is. We're trying to see what's going to come about. We would prefer none in terms of what we import, but we think we can navigate it.

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

Mike, is there any way you could quantify kind of the magnitude of that in dollar terms of what that European purchase would represent?

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Europe is probably something like yes, probably it's a greater than 10, less than 15 or around 15. It's probably

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

I'll stick

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

with my first answer, greater than 10%, less than 15% of total revenue.

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

That works. And then last question for me is just I guess on capital allocation and you've got a strong balance sheet, maybe your inventories are

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

a little bit higher right

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

now, but your plan is for that to come down and certainly good cash position, lots of credit availability. How do you think about the opportunity right now as you survey the market to make acquisitions of distressed sellers? And if so, how do you think about prioritization of that initiative?

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Yes. David, that's a good question.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

We obviously are continuing to talk to a lot of different acquisition candidates to be able to keep that on list. We're really bouncing against our overall strategy, whether it's marinas and super yacht services or even the boat retail business and the boat retail business where it makes sense that they have storage and marina and the higher margin components of the business. So and then within our markets that we have, there's additional expansion opportunities with maybe new locations that add storage and revenue streams there. So keeping an eye on all of that and trying to be opportunistic if that comes up.

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

Great.

[David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research]

Great. Well, thanks very much. Good luck.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Thank you, David.

[Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. Mr. McGill, I'd like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.

[William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax]

Well, thank you everybody for joining us today. We're in full swing at all the winter boat shows including the New York show this week. And as well, we're gearing up for the Miami show in February and we hope to see some of you at some of these shows. So have a great day.

Participants

Analysts

• Scott Solomon, Investor Relations at Sharon Merrill Advisors
• Michael McLamb, EVP, CFO & Secretary at MarineMax
• William Brett McGill, CEO & President at MarineMax
• Joseph Altobello, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial
• Drew Crum, Managing Director at Stifel Financial
• Michael Swartz, Director & Equity Research at Truist Securities
• Fred Wightman, Director at Wolfe Research LLC
• John Healy, MD & Research Analyst at Northcoast Research
• Brandon Rollé, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies
• Michael Albanese, Equity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC
• James Hardiman, Director - Leisure and Travel Analyst at Citi
• David Macgregor, President at Longbow Research