NASDAQ:MBUU Malibu Boats Q2 2025 Earnings Report $20.21 -0.32 (-1.56%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$20.21 0.00 (0.00%) As of 04/17/2025 06:15 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Kiniksa Pharmaceuticals EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.20Consensus EPS $0.21Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AKiniksa Pharmaceuticals Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected Revenue$195.85 millionBeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AKiniksa Pharmaceuticals Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date1/30/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, January 30, 2025Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsKiniksa Pharmaceuticals' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 22, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Malibu Boats Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJanuary 30, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Malibu Boats Conference Call to discuss Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2025 Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. Please be advised that reproduction of this call in whole or in part is not permitted without written authorization of Malibu Boats. And as a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Operator00:00:32On the call today from management are Mr. Steve Mannetto, Chief Executive Officer and Mr. Bruce Beckman, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Beckman to get it started. Operator00:00:46Please go ahead. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:00:49Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Joining me on today's call is our CEO, Steve Monetto. On the call, Steve will provide commentary on the business and I will discuss our Q2 of fiscal year 2025 financials. We will then open the call for questions. A press release covering the company's fiscal Q2 2025 results was issued today and a copy of that press release can be found in the Investor Relations section of the company's Web site. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:01:20I also want to remind everyone that management's remarks on this call may contain certain forward looking statements, including predictions, expectations, estimates and other information that might be considered forward looking and that actual results could differ materially from those projected on today's call. You should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements, which speak only as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update them for any new information or future events. Factors that might affect future results are discussed in our filings with the SEC, and we encourage you to review our SEC filings for a more detailed description of these risk factors. Please also note that we will be referring to certain non GAAP financial measures on today's call, such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted fully distributed net income and adjusted fully distributed net income per share. Reconciliations of these GAAP financial measures to non GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:02:31I will now turn the call over to Steve. Steve? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:02:35Thank you, Bruce, and thank you all for joining the call. Our 2nd fiscal quarter results came in slightly higher than expected during what has been a traditionally slower time of year. However, the broader retail marine market trends remain more challenging than we initially forecasted for the full year. While the quarter benefited from a favorable mix in our Malibu Axis segment and strong ASP performance, indicators of demand are below our original assumptions. During the quarter, we continued to navigate this challenging market environment, which we attribute largely to the muted retail demand driven by sustained interest rate pressures coupled with lagging effects on consumer purchases stemming from the hurricane season. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:03:20As a result, the market is tracking down low double digits year to date, which is below the mid single digit decline we had originally planned for. Retail softness is particularly evident in saltwater due to the lingering regional impacts in Florida. Overall, net sales in the quarter decreased by approximately 5.1% year over year due to our focus on maintaining modest production levels in line with lower channel inventories. Disciplined production and lower channel inventories will continue to be our focus for the remainder of the fiscal year as we prioritize dealer health and brand strength. Shifting to the early season boat shows, as many of you all know, these events provide important insights into customers' willingness to purchase new feature rich models and we have the opportunity to showcase our 2025 lineup across our brands. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:04:18Dealer enthusiasm for these introductions reaffirmed our confidence in our commitment to staying on the leading edge of innovation, which continues to set us apart. Results in the early season shows have been decent, but do not suggest a strong rebound in retail activity heading into the second half of the year. We will continue to watch closely as we head into the February Miami Boat Show for major signals within the Saltwater segment and remain disciplined until we see firmer evidence of improvement in the market. Along with the early season shows, our Malibu Axis year end sales event, a tradition we've maintained for 15 years, wrapped up earlier in the quarter. We were encouraged by the higher overall retail sell through and good participation compared to last year with moderating levels of promotional support required. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:05:11This continues to underscore the strength of our brands and how they continue to resonate with customers in the current environment. However, it is important to note that while this activity is positive, many dealers focused on moving non current units, a sign that inventory discipline remains top of mind across the channel. As we look ahead, we recognize that a sustained softening in the market, especially in saltwater will likely continued in the second half of the fiscal year. While we do anticipate some seasonal lift, it is unlikely to lift the market enough to align with our original market assumption for a mid single digit decline for the year. Therefore, we are adjusting our outlook to reflect the reality of weaker retail trends with top line sales expected to be flat to down low single digits for the year and adjusted EBITDA margins to reflect approximately 10%. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:06:07As I stated earlier, our focus remains on maintaining dealer health and not prematurely ramping production without a clear path. Meeting demand as it materializes and preserving our brand position in the long term will set us up for success as we continue to monitor the retail environment. Overall, I am confident in our team's ability to weather these market conditions with our emphasis on dealer health and commitment to innovation and positioning us to thrive when demand normalizes. I will now turn the call over to Bruce for further remarks on Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:06:42the quarter. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:06:44Thanks, Steve. Our results in the Q2 were slightly above our expectations. Net sales decreased 5.1 percent to $200,300,000 and unit volume decreased 11% to 12 22 units. The decrease in net sales was driven primarily by decreased unit volumes in the Malibu and Saltwater Fishing segments, resulting primarily from decreased wholesale shipments, partially offset by a favorable model mix in our Malibu and Saltwater segments and inflation driven year over year price increases. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:07:20The Malibu and Axis brands represented approximately 43 percent of unit sales, saltwater fishing represented 25.9% and cobalt made up the remaining 31.1%. Consolidated net sales per unit increased 6.6 percent to $163,900 per unit, primarily driven by favorable model mix in the Malibu and Saltwater segments and inflation driven year over year price increases, partially offset by unfavorable segment mix. Gross profit decreased 0.2% to $37,400,000 and gross margin as a percent of sales was 18.7%. This represents an increase of 90 basis points compared to the prior year period. The increase in gross margin was driven by plant efficiencies and favorable model mix more than offsetting volume deleverage, again demonstrating the resilience of our operations and our highly variable cost structure. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:08:26Selling and marketing expenses increased 6.7% in the 2nd quarter. The increase was driven primarily by an increase in certain personnel expenses and marketing events. As a percentage of sales, selling and marketing expenses increased versus the prior year by 30 basis points to 3%. General and administrative expenses increased 71.9 percent or $11,100,000 This increase was driven primarily by an increase in legal fees and compensation related expenses. As a percentage of sales, G and A expenses were 13.3%. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:09:07GAAP net income for the quarter decreased 76.1% versus prior year to $2,400,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter decreased 26.3 percent to $16,900,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin decreased to 8.4% from 10.9% in the prior year. Non GAAP adjusted fully distributed net income per share decreased 45.6% to $0.31 per share. This is calculated using a normalized C Corp tax rate of 24.5 percent and a fully distributed weighted average share count of approximately 20,400,000 Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:09:53shares. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:09:54For a reconciliation of GAAP metrics to adjusted EBITDA and adjusted fully distributed net income per share, please see the tables in our earnings release. We continue to demonstrate the resilience of our business model, generating over $28,000,000 in cash from operations in the quarter. Capital expenditures were $5,600,000 and we repurchased $10,000,000 of stock in the quarter. In summary, our balance sheet continues to be strong and we have ample liquidity to execute on our capital allocation priorities. Turning our attention to the full year, as Steve described, we continue to operate in a challenging retail environment with markets down double digits so far this year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:10:41We do not see a clear upward trend change that would enable us to maintain the market assumption of mid single digit decline on which our original guidance was based. Given these dynamics, we are expecting the market to be down high single digits for the fiscal year and we are adjusting our production levels accordingly to maintain the disciplined approach to managing dealer inventories. We continue to expect our dealers to remain focused on bringing inventory levels below historical ranges and continue to prioritize dealer health. With that said, we are updating our guidance. For the full fiscal year, we now expect sales to be flat to down low single digits year over year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:11:24Even with this modest revision in our full year guidance, we still expect to return to growth in the second half of the year as comparisons ease. As such for Q3, we expect net sales to increase approximately 10% versus the prior year. We anticipate consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin for the full fiscal year to be approximately 10%. For Q3, we expect adjusted EBITDA margins of approximately 10% to 12%. This will be the 2nd consecutive year of calibrating channel inventory and this will position our wholesale to track with retail when demand returns. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:12:06We will keep a close eye on demand indicators and remain disciplined in our approach to production levels and dealer health, which will position us even stronger as the tide churns. Despite the near term headwinds, our strong balance sheet, highly variable cost structure and continued cash flow generation provide us with both stability and flexibility to help us weather tough market environments while continuing to execute on our capital allocation priorities. With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions. Operator00:13:00The first question comes from Craig Kennison with Baird. Please go ahead. Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:13:08Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to start with Florida. I just wonder if there is a way to unpack the implications of hurricane activity in Florida. What's your overall exposure to that market? Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:13:22And I'm sure near term there were some negative implications and I'm wondering if there's any signal of replacement demand longer term? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:13:31Yes. Thanks, Craig. Florida, as you know, is trying to recover and some of the challenges we have down there, of course, are still rear in their head. So when we look at the overall market in saltwater, total market across the U. S. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:13:50Is down low double digits. Florida has accelerated more than that for us. We do more than 50% of our saltwater businesses in Florida. So you could see that with that accelerated downtrend beyond the overall U. S. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:14:10Market, that's impacting us pretty heavily with us having such a concentration of business there. Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:14:18And I don't know, Steve, if you have any visibility into how replacement demand unfolds. I'm sure consumers down there have a lot of different priorities when it comes to their recovery and the boat is not maybe the first thing on their mind. But what are you looking for a signal that, hey, there's demand replacement demand on its way? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:14:41Yes. I think, Craig, just from trying to get any type of indicators down there, we it's hard to predict as you said it. We don't see it coming back where there's this wholesale within 1 quarter we get this replacement value volume. We know like right now if you're trying to rebuild your docks, right, 6 months to 8 months out to get a new dock replacement. Roofs are going back in all the improvements that you're trying to make on your home that got affected. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:15:11So just looking at how long it takes to get a dock back in, you got to get your dock before you get your boat, you got to go through the insurance. So there is a lot of steps before we start seeing replacement volume. And so we just kind of figure replacement volume will kind of come back not in one big sharp moment, but it will come back over time. Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:34Thanks. I'll get back in the queue. Operator00:15:40The next question comes from Joe Altobello with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Joseph AltobelloManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:15:46Thanks. Hey, guys. Good morning. So I guess first question on the guidance. Your guide still implies second half revenue growth here, call it in the mid-20s. Joseph AltobelloManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:15:58And I think it also implies a modest improvement in market trends. I know the compares do get easier, but I guess my short question is how much visibility do you have in that second half number? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:16:13Hi, Joe. It's Bruce. I think we have pretty good visibility for the Q3 given where orders stand. I think the question always becomes what happens in that Q4, which will really be predicated on what happens in the underlying market. As you noted, we will return to growth in the second half of the year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:16:42A lot of that relates to just how much the comparisons ease versus prior year. I I mean, last year, we really saw deceleration in our business in the 3rd and 4th quarters. And so there's certainly that is a major factor. And then from a retail perspective, the retail market, there's still quite a bit of the retail activity that remains in this time of the year. It's probably about 60% of our retail activity is yet to take place here in the second half of the year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:17:22So there will still be some adjustments, I'm sure, that we'll need to make as we see the retail numbers play out. Joseph AltobelloManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:17:32Okay, understood. And maybe just to kind of shift gears on G and A. You mentioned it was up fairly significantly and I think you mentioned a couple of things including compensation. Maybe sort of unpack that a little bit and talk about the key drivers there and how should we think about SG and A spending this year? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:17:51Yes. So first of all, what I would say is the 2nd quarter comparison was a very difficult comparison. Q2 of last year was the low watermark for G and A last year. And there were so there were some of the change that was driven by that comparison. We've seen higher levels of legal spend activity. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:18:17I mean, if you look at the footnotes in our Q, you'll see us describing the legal activity. Certainly, that's elevated from where we've been historically, and we're looking forward to having that behind us. And then this year from a compensation cost standpoint, we have incentive compensation in this year that didn't wasn't in the comparison period. So probably a larger driver. We expect that spend to normalize as we move forward. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:18:47There's a number of these items that we would say are one time in nature, particularly the legal expense and some of our employee kind of transition expenses. So we would expect it to moderate in the second half and trend down over time, more in line with our historical norms. Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:19:14The next question comes from Noah Zatzkin with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:19:20Hey, thanks for taking my question. Maybe just one on the kind of broader industry. How are dealers feeling right now sentiment wise? And how are you feeling about kind of the health of your dealer base? Thanks. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:19:33Sure, Noah. So retail, how the dealer is feeling, just actually talking to a few dealers over the last few weeks. Actually cautiously optimistic is kind of the right phrase. As Bruce stated, about 60% of the retail left to happen. So they're feeling relatively good about the market. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:19:53We just had our year end sales event and some of the boat shows and couple those together, they've been able to clear out inventories. They've been able to get a retail activity moving without having to really overspend promo. In a market where some of our competitors are still clearing out their inventories and have accelerated promo. So they're feeling good there. And then they appreciate us managing the inventories and keeping production the disciplined approach to production to help them get into the selling season. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:20:28So we're looking forward to it and we'll see what happens and how it unfolds here over the next two quarters. Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:20:36Great. And maybe hate to Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:20:38ask the tariff question. I think you guys have fairly minimal exposure, but just any thoughts around potential tariff impacts and how you'd be able to mitigate that or just anything to share there? Thanks. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:20:52Yes. So we've done a preliminary look. I mean, as you can appreciate, there's not a lot of clarity on exactly what's going to happen. But based on where we stand in our fiscal year, based on what we believe our exposures to be and our best guess of what the tariffs might be, we don't expect it to be material this year. And if there's if that changes and there's something more for us to share with you, we certainly will. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:21:24And I'm sure it will be part of our fiscal year 2026 conversation. Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:21:30Great. Thank you. Operator00:21:33The next question comes from Brandon Rolle with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:21:40Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. First, just on the boat shows, could you dive in a little more on kind of what you're seeing in terms of demand by segment, maybe which segments are seeing stronger demand versus others? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:21:55Sure. Brandon, we'll dive in a little bit. We had in the Saltwater, we had a really good flips, Fort Lauderdale show, that was really good. But then you see when you move to Atlanta maybe we were a little bit mixed in Atlanta. So you see some mixed signals there, but really strong coming out of Florida there on the Freshwater. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:22:20At the same time, Atlanta was a really good show. We had a good show in Minneapolis and Chicago, very strong and a little bit mixed in New York for Freshwater as well. So we're seeing those types of signals when it all adds up. That's why we said it was decent. There's a lot of things to be excited about as we move through and there's a lot of things that you're kind of scratching your head going why did that not material materialize into a better result. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:22:50So overall boat show activities I think of giving the dealers that cautious optimism for when they get into the selling season, there are some opportunities to work with. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:23:02Okay. And just on the inventory front, how much longer do you think will be somewhat of a destocking phase if your current retail expectations play out over the next 6 to 9 months? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:23:16Well, Brandon, I think you'll see the dealer sentiment change when the retail market changes. I think until then, they're going to be hunkered down, concerned about their cash flow and concerned about their exposure. So we that's part of making sure that we keep it healthy will enable us to be well positioned when the market turns to be able to take off from there. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:23:50Okay. And just finally, on the saltwater market, your commentary around weakness there, is that just for your saltwater products? Or do you feel like it's the larger saltwater industry as a whole that seeing the weakness here early on in 2025? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:09It's the whole industry that Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:11we're Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:11seeing, Brandon. That was where the what we were talking about. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:17Yes. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:24:18Okay. Thank Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:24:20you. Operator00:24:22The next question comes from Mike Albanese with Benchmark. Please go ahead. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:24:28Yes. Hey, good morning, guys. I appreciate it. Brandon, just actually asked my last question around saltwater, but I have another question here on ASPs. You saw some growth there. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:24:40I'm just wondering if you can kind of frame how much of that was really driven by product mix versus just the annual cadence of price increases and really trying to get an idea if we're back to maybe that more normalized 3% to 5% or if we're getting close to it or any way you can kind of dive into that and frame it would be helpful? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:25:03Yes. What I would say is mix has been a big driver of our ASP performance within our respective segments and overall. Price increases have been very modest this year, low single digit range. So it's really more mix. We expect the mix to moderate as we go forward just because last year, we really pulled back on production on the Malibu Axis segment and saltwater was a greater share of our mix last year in the second half than we expect it to be this year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:25:42So there's that has a higher ASP per unit. So that will likely influence the back half. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:25:51Okay. And then just as a follow-up to that, I mean, how are you feeling on aside from product mix, but just going back to the cadence of price increases, you said being modest. But you also talked about or made some positive commentary around some of the promotional activity you're seeing in your product. I mean, is it fair to think that as that moderates, you'd be able to kind of get back to stepping up the price increases? Or I guess the broader question is, is consumer affordability that much of an issue where you have to keep it at that low single digit? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:26:23I think Really? I think Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:26:26Yes. I mean, I think in the near term, it's really going to be more about promotional levels of support. We expect to see moderating levels of promotional support and certainly for ourselves. And I think the industry over time as the industry works through its inventory challenges. When the inventories get down to kind of where they need to be then I think you'll see some of that promotional discounting go away. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:26:54Our price increases over our strategy really has been to minimize those as much as possible and really just pass along inflation, which I think is pretty consistent with how others in the industry play it. We have to be concerned about the affordability headwinds in this market. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:27:18Appreciate it guys. Thank you. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:20Yes. Operator00:27:22The next question comes from Jamie Katz with Morningstar. Please go ahead. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:27:28Hi, good morning. Two quick ones. First, any color on cobalt? It was the only segment that had unit growth. Is it just the consumer that's changed? Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:27:39Or was it just better inventoried maybe than some of the other segments before the quarter? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:47I mean, Cobalt has continued to kind of be a strong performer. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:51I mean, Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:51we've good market share performance in that brand. We have a very good dealer network in that part of our business and they've continued to execute quite well. And we have some exciting new models in that product line. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:28:14Okay. And then we haven't really touched on borrowing the lending environment with your lending partners and maybe the quality of the borrowers. So, any additional color to add there? Thank you. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:28:28You mean on the consumers and their ability to access credit to purchase boats? Is that what you mean? Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:28:35Yes, sir. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:28:37Yes. We haven't seen so interest rates have come down some, I would say, from where they were at peak, but they haven't really moved that much recently with the Fed moves. So consumer rates, I would say, remain stubbornly high, which is part of the reason why the market has yet to rebound in our opinion. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:29:03But no, no like increase in defaults or anything like that, that you're hearing about? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:29:09Not that we're seeing, no. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:29:12Excellent. Thank you. Operator00:29:18I'm not showing any further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Malibu Boats Conference Call to discuss Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2025 Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. Please be advised that reproduction of this call in whole or in part is not permitted without written authorization of Malibu Boats. And as a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Operator00:00:32On the call today from management are Mr. Steve Mannetto, Chief Executive Officer and Mr. Bruce Beckman, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Beckman to get it started. Operator00:00:46Please go ahead. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:00:49Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Joining me on today's call is our CEO, Steve Monetto. On the call, Steve will provide commentary on the business and I will discuss our Q2 of fiscal year 2025 financials. We will then open the call for questions. A press release covering the company's fiscal Q2 2025 results was issued today and a copy of that press release can be found in the Investor Relations section of the company's Web site. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:01:20I also want to remind everyone that management's remarks on this call may contain certain forward looking statements, including predictions, expectations, estimates and other information that might be considered forward looking and that actual results could differ materially from those projected on today's call. You should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements, which speak only as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update them for any new information or future events. Factors that might affect future results are discussed in our filings with the SEC, and we encourage you to review our SEC filings for a more detailed description of these risk factors. Please also note that we will be referring to certain non GAAP financial measures on today's call, such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted fully distributed net income and adjusted fully distributed net income per share. Reconciliations of these GAAP financial measures to non GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:02:31I will now turn the call over to Steve. Steve? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:02:35Thank you, Bruce, and thank you all for joining the call. Our 2nd fiscal quarter results came in slightly higher than expected during what has been a traditionally slower time of year. However, the broader retail marine market trends remain more challenging than we initially forecasted for the full year. While the quarter benefited from a favorable mix in our Malibu Axis segment and strong ASP performance, indicators of demand are below our original assumptions. During the quarter, we continued to navigate this challenging market environment, which we attribute largely to the muted retail demand driven by sustained interest rate pressures coupled with lagging effects on consumer purchases stemming from the hurricane season. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:03:20As a result, the market is tracking down low double digits year to date, which is below the mid single digit decline we had originally planned for. Retail softness is particularly evident in saltwater due to the lingering regional impacts in Florida. Overall, net sales in the quarter decreased by approximately 5.1% year over year due to our focus on maintaining modest production levels in line with lower channel inventories. Disciplined production and lower channel inventories will continue to be our focus for the remainder of the fiscal year as we prioritize dealer health and brand strength. Shifting to the early season boat shows, as many of you all know, these events provide important insights into customers' willingness to purchase new feature rich models and we have the opportunity to showcase our 2025 lineup across our brands. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:04:18Dealer enthusiasm for these introductions reaffirmed our confidence in our commitment to staying on the leading edge of innovation, which continues to set us apart. Results in the early season shows have been decent, but do not suggest a strong rebound in retail activity heading into the second half of the year. We will continue to watch closely as we head into the February Miami Boat Show for major signals within the Saltwater segment and remain disciplined until we see firmer evidence of improvement in the market. Along with the early season shows, our Malibu Axis year end sales event, a tradition we've maintained for 15 years, wrapped up earlier in the quarter. We were encouraged by the higher overall retail sell through and good participation compared to last year with moderating levels of promotional support required. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:05:11This continues to underscore the strength of our brands and how they continue to resonate with customers in the current environment. However, it is important to note that while this activity is positive, many dealers focused on moving non current units, a sign that inventory discipline remains top of mind across the channel. As we look ahead, we recognize that a sustained softening in the market, especially in saltwater will likely continued in the second half of the fiscal year. While we do anticipate some seasonal lift, it is unlikely to lift the market enough to align with our original market assumption for a mid single digit decline for the year. Therefore, we are adjusting our outlook to reflect the reality of weaker retail trends with top line sales expected to be flat to down low single digits for the year and adjusted EBITDA margins to reflect approximately 10%. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:06:07As I stated earlier, our focus remains on maintaining dealer health and not prematurely ramping production without a clear path. Meeting demand as it materializes and preserving our brand position in the long term will set us up for success as we continue to monitor the retail environment. Overall, I am confident in our team's ability to weather these market conditions with our emphasis on dealer health and commitment to innovation and positioning us to thrive when demand normalizes. I will now turn the call over to Bruce for further remarks on Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:06:42the quarter. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:06:44Thanks, Steve. Our results in the Q2 were slightly above our expectations. Net sales decreased 5.1 percent to $200,300,000 and unit volume decreased 11% to 12 22 units. The decrease in net sales was driven primarily by decreased unit volumes in the Malibu and Saltwater Fishing segments, resulting primarily from decreased wholesale shipments, partially offset by a favorable model mix in our Malibu and Saltwater segments and inflation driven year over year price increases. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:07:20The Malibu and Axis brands represented approximately 43 percent of unit sales, saltwater fishing represented 25.9% and cobalt made up the remaining 31.1%. Consolidated net sales per unit increased 6.6 percent to $163,900 per unit, primarily driven by favorable model mix in the Malibu and Saltwater segments and inflation driven year over year price increases, partially offset by unfavorable segment mix. Gross profit decreased 0.2% to $37,400,000 and gross margin as a percent of sales was 18.7%. This represents an increase of 90 basis points compared to the prior year period. The increase in gross margin was driven by plant efficiencies and favorable model mix more than offsetting volume deleverage, again demonstrating the resilience of our operations and our highly variable cost structure. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:08:26Selling and marketing expenses increased 6.7% in the 2nd quarter. The increase was driven primarily by an increase in certain personnel expenses and marketing events. As a percentage of sales, selling and marketing expenses increased versus the prior year by 30 basis points to 3%. General and administrative expenses increased 71.9 percent or $11,100,000 This increase was driven primarily by an increase in legal fees and compensation related expenses. As a percentage of sales, G and A expenses were 13.3%. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:09:07GAAP net income for the quarter decreased 76.1% versus prior year to $2,400,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter decreased 26.3 percent to $16,900,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin decreased to 8.4% from 10.9% in the prior year. Non GAAP adjusted fully distributed net income per share decreased 45.6% to $0.31 per share. This is calculated using a normalized C Corp tax rate of 24.5 percent and a fully distributed weighted average share count of approximately 20,400,000 Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:09:53shares. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:09:54For a reconciliation of GAAP metrics to adjusted EBITDA and adjusted fully distributed net income per share, please see the tables in our earnings release. We continue to demonstrate the resilience of our business model, generating over $28,000,000 in cash from operations in the quarter. Capital expenditures were $5,600,000 and we repurchased $10,000,000 of stock in the quarter. In summary, our balance sheet continues to be strong and we have ample liquidity to execute on our capital allocation priorities. Turning our attention to the full year, as Steve described, we continue to operate in a challenging retail environment with markets down double digits so far this year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:10:41We do not see a clear upward trend change that would enable us to maintain the market assumption of mid single digit decline on which our original guidance was based. Given these dynamics, we are expecting the market to be down high single digits for the fiscal year and we are adjusting our production levels accordingly to maintain the disciplined approach to managing dealer inventories. We continue to expect our dealers to remain focused on bringing inventory levels below historical ranges and continue to prioritize dealer health. With that said, we are updating our guidance. For the full fiscal year, we now expect sales to be flat to down low single digits year over year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:11:24Even with this modest revision in our full year guidance, we still expect to return to growth in the second half of the year as comparisons ease. As such for Q3, we expect net sales to increase approximately 10% versus the prior year. We anticipate consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin for the full fiscal year to be approximately 10%. For Q3, we expect adjusted EBITDA margins of approximately 10% to 12%. This will be the 2nd consecutive year of calibrating channel inventory and this will position our wholesale to track with retail when demand returns. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:12:06We will keep a close eye on demand indicators and remain disciplined in our approach to production levels and dealer health, which will position us even stronger as the tide churns. Despite the near term headwinds, our strong balance sheet, highly variable cost structure and continued cash flow generation provide us with both stability and flexibility to help us weather tough market environments while continuing to execute on our capital allocation priorities. With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions. Operator00:13:00The first question comes from Craig Kennison with Baird. Please go ahead. Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:13:08Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to start with Florida. I just wonder if there is a way to unpack the implications of hurricane activity in Florida. What's your overall exposure to that market? Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:13:22And I'm sure near term there were some negative implications and I'm wondering if there's any signal of replacement demand longer term? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:13:31Yes. Thanks, Craig. Florida, as you know, is trying to recover and some of the challenges we have down there, of course, are still rear in their head. So when we look at the overall market in saltwater, total market across the U. S. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:13:50Is down low double digits. Florida has accelerated more than that for us. We do more than 50% of our saltwater businesses in Florida. So you could see that with that accelerated downtrend beyond the overall U. S. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:14:10Market, that's impacting us pretty heavily with us having such a concentration of business there. Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:14:18And I don't know, Steve, if you have any visibility into how replacement demand unfolds. I'm sure consumers down there have a lot of different priorities when it comes to their recovery and the boat is not maybe the first thing on their mind. But what are you looking for a signal that, hey, there's demand replacement demand on its way? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:14:41Yes. I think, Craig, just from trying to get any type of indicators down there, we it's hard to predict as you said it. We don't see it coming back where there's this wholesale within 1 quarter we get this replacement value volume. We know like right now if you're trying to rebuild your docks, right, 6 months to 8 months out to get a new dock replacement. Roofs are going back in all the improvements that you're trying to make on your home that got affected. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:15:11So just looking at how long it takes to get a dock back in, you got to get your dock before you get your boat, you got to go through the insurance. So there is a lot of steps before we start seeing replacement volume. And so we just kind of figure replacement volume will kind of come back not in one big sharp moment, but it will come back over time. Craig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at Baird00:15:34Thanks. I'll get back in the queue. Operator00:15:40The next question comes from Joe Altobello with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Joseph AltobelloManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:15:46Thanks. Hey, guys. Good morning. So I guess first question on the guidance. Your guide still implies second half revenue growth here, call it in the mid-20s. Joseph AltobelloManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:15:58And I think it also implies a modest improvement in market trends. I know the compares do get easier, but I guess my short question is how much visibility do you have in that second half number? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:16:13Hi, Joe. It's Bruce. I think we have pretty good visibility for the Q3 given where orders stand. I think the question always becomes what happens in that Q4, which will really be predicated on what happens in the underlying market. As you noted, we will return to growth in the second half of the year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:16:42A lot of that relates to just how much the comparisons ease versus prior year. I I mean, last year, we really saw deceleration in our business in the 3rd and 4th quarters. And so there's certainly that is a major factor. And then from a retail perspective, the retail market, there's still quite a bit of the retail activity that remains in this time of the year. It's probably about 60% of our retail activity is yet to take place here in the second half of the year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:17:22So there will still be some adjustments, I'm sure, that we'll need to make as we see the retail numbers play out. Joseph AltobelloManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:17:32Okay, understood. And maybe just to kind of shift gears on G and A. You mentioned it was up fairly significantly and I think you mentioned a couple of things including compensation. Maybe sort of unpack that a little bit and talk about the key drivers there and how should we think about SG and A spending this year? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:17:51Yes. So first of all, what I would say is the 2nd quarter comparison was a very difficult comparison. Q2 of last year was the low watermark for G and A last year. And there were so there were some of the change that was driven by that comparison. We've seen higher levels of legal spend activity. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:18:17I mean, if you look at the footnotes in our Q, you'll see us describing the legal activity. Certainly, that's elevated from where we've been historically, and we're looking forward to having that behind us. And then this year from a compensation cost standpoint, we have incentive compensation in this year that didn't wasn't in the comparison period. So probably a larger driver. We expect that spend to normalize as we move forward. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:18:47There's a number of these items that we would say are one time in nature, particularly the legal expense and some of our employee kind of transition expenses. So we would expect it to moderate in the second half and trend down over time, more in line with our historical norms. Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:19:14The next question comes from Noah Zatzkin with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:19:20Hey, thanks for taking my question. Maybe just one on the kind of broader industry. How are dealers feeling right now sentiment wise? And how are you feeling about kind of the health of your dealer base? Thanks. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:19:33Sure, Noah. So retail, how the dealer is feeling, just actually talking to a few dealers over the last few weeks. Actually cautiously optimistic is kind of the right phrase. As Bruce stated, about 60% of the retail left to happen. So they're feeling relatively good about the market. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:19:53We just had our year end sales event and some of the boat shows and couple those together, they've been able to clear out inventories. They've been able to get a retail activity moving without having to really overspend promo. In a market where some of our competitors are still clearing out their inventories and have accelerated promo. So they're feeling good there. And then they appreciate us managing the inventories and keeping production the disciplined approach to production to help them get into the selling season. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:20:28So we're looking forward to it and we'll see what happens and how it unfolds here over the next two quarters. Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:20:36Great. And maybe hate to Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:20:38ask the tariff question. I think you guys have fairly minimal exposure, but just any thoughts around potential tariff impacts and how you'd be able to mitigate that or just anything to share there? Thanks. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:20:52Yes. So we've done a preliminary look. I mean, as you can appreciate, there's not a lot of clarity on exactly what's going to happen. But based on where we stand in our fiscal year, based on what we believe our exposures to be and our best guess of what the tariffs might be, we don't expect it to be material this year. And if there's if that changes and there's something more for us to share with you, we certainly will. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:21:24And I'm sure it will be part of our fiscal year 2026 conversation. Noah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:21:30Great. Thank you. Operator00:21:33The next question comes from Brandon Rolle with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:21:40Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. First, just on the boat shows, could you dive in a little more on kind of what you're seeing in terms of demand by segment, maybe which segments are seeing stronger demand versus others? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:21:55Sure. Brandon, we'll dive in a little bit. We had in the Saltwater, we had a really good flips, Fort Lauderdale show, that was really good. But then you see when you move to Atlanta maybe we were a little bit mixed in Atlanta. So you see some mixed signals there, but really strong coming out of Florida there on the Freshwater. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:22:20At the same time, Atlanta was a really good show. We had a good show in Minneapolis and Chicago, very strong and a little bit mixed in New York for Freshwater as well. So we're seeing those types of signals when it all adds up. That's why we said it was decent. There's a lot of things to be excited about as we move through and there's a lot of things that you're kind of scratching your head going why did that not material materialize into a better result. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:22:50So overall boat show activities I think of giving the dealers that cautious optimism for when they get into the selling season, there are some opportunities to work with. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:23:02Okay. And just on the inventory front, how much longer do you think will be somewhat of a destocking phase if your current retail expectations play out over the next 6 to 9 months? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:23:16Well, Brandon, I think you'll see the dealer sentiment change when the retail market changes. I think until then, they're going to be hunkered down, concerned about their cash flow and concerned about their exposure. So we that's part of making sure that we keep it healthy will enable us to be well positioned when the market turns to be able to take off from there. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:23:50Okay. And just finally, on the saltwater market, your commentary around weakness there, is that just for your saltwater products? Or do you feel like it's the larger saltwater industry as a whole that seeing the weakness here early on in 2025? Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:09It's the whole industry that Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:11we're Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:11seeing, Brandon. That was where the what we were talking about. Steve MennetoCEO & President at Malibu Boats00:24:17Yes. Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:24:18Okay. Thank Brandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson Companies00:24:20you. Operator00:24:22The next question comes from Mike Albanese with Benchmark. Please go ahead. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:24:28Yes. Hey, good morning, guys. I appreciate it. Brandon, just actually asked my last question around saltwater, but I have another question here on ASPs. You saw some growth there. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:24:40I'm just wondering if you can kind of frame how much of that was really driven by product mix versus just the annual cadence of price increases and really trying to get an idea if we're back to maybe that more normalized 3% to 5% or if we're getting close to it or any way you can kind of dive into that and frame it would be helpful? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:25:03Yes. What I would say is mix has been a big driver of our ASP performance within our respective segments and overall. Price increases have been very modest this year, low single digit range. So it's really more mix. We expect the mix to moderate as we go forward just because last year, we really pulled back on production on the Malibu Axis segment and saltwater was a greater share of our mix last year in the second half than we expect it to be this year. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:25:42So there's that has a higher ASP per unit. So that will likely influence the back half. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:25:51Okay. And then just as a follow-up to that, I mean, how are you feeling on aside from product mix, but just going back to the cadence of price increases, you said being modest. But you also talked about or made some positive commentary around some of the promotional activity you're seeing in your product. I mean, is it fair to think that as that moderates, you'd be able to kind of get back to stepping up the price increases? Or I guess the broader question is, is consumer affordability that much of an issue where you have to keep it at that low single digit? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:26:23I think Really? I think Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:26:26Yes. I mean, I think in the near term, it's really going to be more about promotional levels of support. We expect to see moderating levels of promotional support and certainly for ourselves. And I think the industry over time as the industry works through its inventory challenges. When the inventories get down to kind of where they need to be then I think you'll see some of that promotional discounting go away. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:26:54Our price increases over our strategy really has been to minimize those as much as possible and really just pass along inflation, which I think is pretty consistent with how others in the industry play it. We have to be concerned about the affordability headwinds in this market. Michael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLC00:27:18Appreciate it guys. Thank you. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:20Yes. Operator00:27:22The next question comes from Jamie Katz with Morningstar. Please go ahead. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:27:28Hi, good morning. Two quick ones. First, any color on cobalt? It was the only segment that had unit growth. Is it just the consumer that's changed? Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:27:39Or was it just better inventoried maybe than some of the other segments before the quarter? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:47I mean, Cobalt has continued to kind of be a strong performer. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:51I mean, Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:27:51we've good market share performance in that brand. We have a very good dealer network in that part of our business and they've continued to execute quite well. And we have some exciting new models in that product line. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:28:14Okay. And then we haven't really touched on borrowing the lending environment with your lending partners and maybe the quality of the borrowers. So, any additional color to add there? Thank you. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:28:28You mean on the consumers and their ability to access credit to purchase boats? Is that what you mean? Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:28:35Yes, sir. Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:28:37Yes. We haven't seen so interest rates have come down some, I would say, from where they were at peak, but they haven't really moved that much recently with the Fed moves. So consumer rates, I would say, remain stubbornly high, which is part of the reason why the market has yet to rebound in our opinion. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:29:03But no, no like increase in defaults or anything like that, that you're hearing about? Bruce BeckmanChief Financial Officer at Malibu Boats00:29:09Not that we're seeing, no. Jaime KatzAnalyst at Morningstar00:29:12Excellent. Thank you. Operator00:29:18I'm not showing any further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesBruce BeckmanChief Financial OfficerSteve MennetoCEO & PresidentAnalystsCraig KennisonDirector of Research Operations & Senior Research Analyst at BairdJoseph AltobelloManaging Director at Raymond James FinancialNoah ZatzkinVice President & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital MarketsBrandon RolléMD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson CompaniesMichael AlbaneseEquity Research Analyst - Recreation & Leisure Industry at The Benchmark Company LLCJaime KatzAnalyst at MorningstarPowered by