Visa Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Welcome to Visa's Fiscal First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants are in a listen only mode until the question and answer session. Today's conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Ms.

Operator

Jennifer Comeaux, Senior Vice President and Global Head of Investor Relations. Ms. Comeaux, you may begin.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Visa's fiscal Q1 2025 earnings call. Joining us today are Ryan McInerney, Visa's Chief Executive Officer and Chris Soh, Visa's Chief Financial Officer. This call is being webcast on the Investor Relations section of our website at investor. Visa.com.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

A replay will be archived on our site for 30 days. A slide deck containing financial and statistical highlights has been posted on our IR website. Let me also remind you that this presentation includes forward looking statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and our actual results could differ materially as a result of many factors. Additional information concerning those factors is available in our most recent annual report on Form 10 ks and any subsequent reports on Forms 10 Q and 8 ks, which you can find on the SEC's website and the Investor Relations section of our website.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Our comments today regarding our financial results will reflect revenue on a GAAP basis and all other results on a non GAAP nominal basis unless otherwise noted. The related GAAP measures and reconciliations are available in today's earnings release and related materials available on our IR website. And with that, let me turn the call over to Ryan.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Before we begin, I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge last night's tragic air collision in Washington DC. Our hearts go out to all those affected by this terrible event, particularly the families and friends of the victims. Turning now to our results.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We had a strong start to our fiscal year with $9,500,000,000 in net revenue, up 10% year over year and EPS up 14%. Our key business drivers improved from the 4th quarter. In constant dollars, overall payments volume grew 9% year over year. U. S.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Payments volume grew 7% and international payments volume grew 11%. Cross border volume excluding intra Europe rose 16% in constant dollars and process transactions grew 11% year over year. Our strategy across consumer payments, new flows and value added services continues to resonate with our clients and is reflected in our business results. Back in February 2020, when we articulated our strategy, our total Q1 volume on our network had just crossed $3,000,000,000,000 Just 5 years later, our total quarterly volume was above $4,000,000,000,000 At the same time, CEMEA and Latin America had more volume from people using their cards to get cash than to make payments. 5 years later, as a result of double digit constant dollar payments volume growth in both regions, the situation has flipped and we now have more than 60% of our volume from digital payments.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

I'm looking forward to our Investor Day next month to discuss our strategy and our plans for future growth. For now, let's look at some of the quarterly highlights that have helped to deliver this impressive progress. In we now have 4,700,000,000 credentials, up 7% year over year and 12,600,000,000 tokens, up 44% year over year. We continue to grow our credentials in an increasingly digital world. Interest in our Visa Flexible credential continues to grow.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We have now launched with the Affirm card in the U. S, expanded the funding options with SMCC in Japan by adding small business cards and announced a multi currency solution with FinTech Live in the UAE. Tap to add card is now live in the U. S. For nearly 60% of all Visa consumer credit and debit cards.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Since the launch, millions have added their cards to their wallets by tapping, eliminating the overwhelming majority of provisioning fraud as compared to manual entry into a phone. And 74% of all face to face transactions are now tap to pay. A few countries I would like to call out. Japan, where tap to pay penetration grew 20 percentage points since last year to 44%. Argentina where tap to pay penetration was up 22 percentage points to 78% and the U.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

S. Where it was up 13 percentage points to 57%. Several key initiatives contributed to the growth in these countries including targeted marketing campaigns, the launch of transit acceptance in certain cities and increased issuance of tap to pay enabled credentials. Finally, tap to phone is now live in 118 markets and in the last year the number of phones enabled has more than doubled and the number of transactions has more than tripled. Now let me turn to a few deal highlights from across the globe.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

1st, in Mainland China, we renewed our partnership with ICBC, the largest bank in the world in terms of assets and the biggest credit card issuer in Mainland China in terms of number of cards. In India, we renewed our long standing credit agreements with ICICI Bank, SBI Card and Kotak Mahindra Bank, 3 of our largest issuers in the country with a focus on growing affluent and cross border volume. We also renewed our debit agreement with Kotak Mahindra Bank. Also in our Asia Pacific region, we signed a long term renewal with Bank of New Zealand, one of the largest banks in the country across consumer debit, consumer credit and business credit. In Argentina and Uruguay, we renewed our portfolios with Santander for a long term agreement with a focus on growing affluent.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Also in Latin America, we have deepened our partnership with BAC to grow acceptance with a goal to enable 300,000 nano and small merchants and to grow in new verticals. We also won the issuance of their largely cross border credit portfolio, Mihas Plus, offering our expertise and value added services. Similarly in Brazil, we extended our partnership with digital bank Neon, which includes the launch of a new credit portfolio. We are also pleased to have renewed a pan European agreement with BNP Paribas, which also includes the winning of additional portfolios in France and Belgium. When we talk about the total addressable opportunity in consumer payments, we often talk about the opportunity to win share from domestic networks.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

And we are continuing to have success converting credentials from domestic networks to Visa. In Bangladesh, we secured nearly 6,000,000 credentials with Dutch Bangla Bank from their closed loop system. Embanko Popular de Puerto Rico, the largest issuer and acquirer in Puerto Rico, renewed a multiyear credit and debit partnership with Visa that aims to expand digital penetration in the country through the launch of new products, including a co badge card with the local network. And we've renewed our business with RBC Royal Bank in 10 countries across the Caribbean and we also expanded our relationship to include the transfer of debit credentials in the Dutch Caribbean to Visa and are supporting the development of new credit and commercial products. And co brand cards remain a key area of strength for us and this quarter was no exception.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

In India, we launched 2 very important cards. First, the Times Black ICICI Bank credit card catering to high net worth individuals with travel and lifestyle benefits. 2nd, the HSBC Taj credit card, India's 1st premium co branded hospitality credit card. In our Sameer region, we signed with real estate developer, investor and manager Aldar for a co brand card for its Darna Rewards by Aldar loyalty program in the UAE with issuing bank Emirates NBD. We also launched a new co brand card in Saudi Arabia with Al Raji Bank and Marriott Bonvoy, the global travel program by Marriott International.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

In the airline category, we won the portfolio for Egypt Air, Africa's 2nd largest airline. We also expanded our business in the Swiss card Miles and More program. And in the retail segment, we signed with Casas Bahia, one of the top retailers in Brazil for co brand cards and with Bolt, a leading ride hailing and food delivery operator in Ukraine. So through traditional issuance, winning share from domestic networks and leveraging our brand products and innovation to secure important co brands, our consumer payments business is strong. Now to new flows, where revenue grew 19% year over year in constant dollars.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Visa Direct has now crossed the $10,000,000,000 transaction mark over the last 12 months with nearly $3,000,000,000 transactions this quarter. We continue to expand Visa Direct in several ways, one of which is building and deepening partnerships directly with issuers and FinTechs. We are excited to partner with X Money for their much anticipated launch of the X Money account, including P2P payment set for later this year. Through the partnership, X Money will utilize Visa Direct to enable secure and instant funding of their X Wallet with a user's debit card. Users will also have the option to instantly transfer funds back into their bank account via the same debit card.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

This quarter we signed an agreement with One Pay, a fintech company with more than 3,000,000 monthly active users for Visa Direct as the engine for wallet loads. In Ecuador, Banco Pichicha, one of the country's largest issuers, will begin using Visa Direct for cross border remittance payments. Our broad and deep cross border capabilities continue to be important differentiators and this quarter Libra Internet Bank in Romania launched a real time multi currency FX service for their business customers utilizing our currency cloud solution. In Asia Pacific, OCBC has launched a cross border P2P solution on the OCBC app allowing their customers in Singapore to send money to Chinese wallets using Visa Direct. All they need is the recipient's China national ID name and mobile number.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Now moving to commercial, where volumes were up 6% year over year this quarter in constant dollars, we had some notable progress in specific verticals. 1st, in the food and grocery delivery vertical, we had 2 recent wins. In the U. S, we are pleased that DoorDash's shopper card program will soon be using Visa Virtual Commercial Credit Cards to enable Dashers to pay for customer orders at physical merchant outlets. This is in addition to our Visa Direct relationship with DoorDash in the U.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

S, Australia and Canada to enable Dasher payouts. In Brazil, we signed a commercial business card deal for commercial customers of Ifoodpago, the fintech for the largest food delivery platform in the country. In the healthcare vertical, we reached a virtual card agreement with an insurtech company in France, MySophie, offering medical policyholders an easy way to pay for their healthcare. In the T and E vertical, we recently renewed and deepened our partnership with Airwallex, a global financial platform enabling more than 150,000 businesses to manage payments and money movement across borders. Today Visa and Airwallex have live card programs in Australia, Hong Kong, the UK, United States, Canada, Netherlands and Singapore to enable businesses to easily make digital card payments around the world and soon we will be expanding to new geographies across our use cases in expense cards and B2B travel.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

In both Visa Direct and Commercial, we continued to develop innovative new solutions and use cases that helped us retain and secure business. Now to value added services, where in the Q1 revenue grew 18% in constant dollars. Across our solutions, we continue to grow revenue as we enhance Visa payments, enable services for all types of payments and go beyond payments. We often partner with acquirers who utilize Visa's acceptance platform to offer their merchant clients compelling solutions. When this happens, we generate revenue on both Visa and non Visa transactions.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Three examples this quarter are European acquirer Emerchenpay, Guatemalan acquirer Neonet and Paraguayan acquirer Bandcard, who will all offer CyberSource to their merchants. We are also partnering with Fiserv to include our CyberSource gateway as a solution for their acquirers and merchants in Europe and Asia Pacific. This is in addition to Fiserv expanding their use of cardholder authentication from Cardinal Commerce to further extend our global partnership into additional Fiserv platforms. In our risk solutions, in 2024, we launched Visa Protect for 8 to 8 payments with plans to expand to 10 new RTP networks in 2025. Powered by AI based fraud detection models, this new service provides a real time risk score that can be used to identify fraud on account to account payments.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We are now piloting this solution with 5 significant players in Brazil who represent more than 20% of PIX transactions. We are also very pleased to have closed our acquisition of FeatureSpace, enabling us to provide an expanded set of fraud prevention tools to our clients and protect consumers in real time across various payment methods. In advisory services, we continue to see strong demand. One example of a recent project is with Al Raji Bank where we are expanding our advisory relationship into risk, digital enablement and data analysis across their portfolios. So across our value added services portfolio, we are innovating with new solutions and deepening our partnerships with clients to drive growth.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

To wrap it up, we began our fiscal year with strong performance and ever growing obsession for our clients and a focus on continued innovation as we build the future of payments. I look forward to seeing you in February at our Investor Day and now over to Chris.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Thanks, Ryan. Good afternoon, everyone. Our first quarter results reflected improving underlying drivers and effective execution of our business. In constant dollars, global payments volume was up 9% year over year and cross border volume excluding intra Europe was up 16% year over year. Process transactions grew 11% year over year.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Fiscal 1st quarter net revenue was up 10%, higher than our expectations, primarily due to strong international transaction revenue and value added services revenue. Net revenue was up 11% in constant dollars. EPS was up 14% year over year and 15% in constant dollars, higher than expected primarily due to revenue outperformance and a lower than expected tax rate. Now let's go into the details. In the U.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

S, total payments volume grew 7% year over year, up 2 points from Q4. Credit grew 7% and debit grew 8%. The U. S. Benefited from a strong holiday shopping season, which is the period from November 1 through December 31 and the lapping of the impact of Reg II implementations, which had a modest drag in Q1 of last year.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

In the U. S, consumer holiday spending growth was in the upper mid single digits on a year over year basis. The consumer categories with the strongest growth were discretionary categories such as retail, travel and entertainment. Focusing on retail, holiday spending growth was a couple of points higher than last year and retail spending growth on key shopping days from Thanksgiving to Cyber Monday was several points higher. E commerce was a higher share of retail holiday spending versus last year.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

In key countries around the globe, we saw similar trends with consumer retail holiday spending growth improving from last year. Moving to international markets. Total payments volume was up 11% in constant dollars, up from Q4. In most of our regions, payments volume year over year growth rates in constant dollars were strong for the quarter with Latin America up 22%, CEMEA up 18% and Europe up 13%. Asia Pacific payments volume growth saw a slight improvement from Q4 in constant dollars to just above 1% year over year for the quarter, reflecting a still somewhat muted macroeconomic environment.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Now to cross border volume, which I'll speak to in constant dollars and excluding intra Europe transactions. Total cross border volume was up 16% year over year in Q1, 3 points above Q4. E commerce measured as card. Presentvolumecstravelandcrossbordertravelvolumeme were both up 16% year over year for Q1. E commerce volumes continued to benefit from the strength in retail, in part due to the strong holiday shopping season.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Travel volumes performed well across our regional corridors due to broader strength in both consumer and commercial spending. Outbound Europe and Asia Pacific travel volume growth also benefited from solid performance of client portfolios. For the U. S, both outbound e commerce and travel volume growth were also helped by the strong dollar. Now let's review our Q1 financial results.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

I'll start with the revenue components. Service revenue grew 8% year over year versus the 8% growth in Q4 constant dollars payments volume. Data processing revenue grew 9% versus 11% process transaction growth due largely to the back half loaded 2025 pricing impact that was included in our initial guidance. Had pricing been more evenly spread across the year as in the prior year, these two growth metrics would have been more in line for the Q1. International transaction revenue was better than expected benefiting from higher cross border volumes and higher currency volatility than we expected.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Year over year growth was up 14%, below the 16% increase in constant dollar cross border volume, excluding intra Europe, due primarily to foreign exchange and lapping higher currency volatility from last year. Other revenue grew 32%, primarily driven by better than expected consulting and marketing services growth and select pricing modifications. Client incentives grew 13%, reflecting a strong renewal quarter. Now to our 3 growth engines. Consumer Payments revenue growth was driven by improving payments volume, cross border volume and process transaction growth.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

New flows revenue grew 19% year over year in constant dollars, driven by better than expected commercial cross border performance across all regions and Visa Direct transaction growth. Commercial payments volume rose 6% year over year in constant dollars, mainly driven by favorable days mix impact as well as strong cross border volumes. Visa Direct transactions grew 34% year over year, helped by growth in Latin America for interoperability among P2P apps. Value added services revenue grew to $2,400,000,000 a growth rate of 18% in constant dollars, led by strong growth in consulting and marketing services, issuing solutions and risk and identity solutions. Operating expenses grew 11%, in line with our expectations, driven by increases in personnel and general and administrative expenses.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

In our GAAP results, we had $213,000,000 in severance costs related to changes to our workforce, reflecting our efforts to focus investment on the highest growth opportunities for our business as well as accelerating our innovation to better serve our clients. Our tax rate was 17.7%, better than expected due to various items including a change in our geographic mix of earnings. EPS was $2.75 up 14% over last year with an approximately 1 point drag from exchange rates and an approximately 0.5 point drag from acquisitions. In Q1, we bought back approximately $3,900,000,000 in stock and distributed $1,200,000,000 in dividends to our stockholders. At the end of December, we had $9,100,000,000 remaining in our buyback authorization.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Now let's move to what we've seen so far in Q2. Through January 28, driver trends have remained strong. U. S. Payments volume was up 8% with debit up 9% and credit up 7% year over year.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Process transactions grew 11% year over year. For constant dollar cross border volume, excluding transactions within Europe, we saw total volume grew 17% year over year, travel related cross border volume grew 17% year over year and cross border card not present ex travel volume grew 16%. Now onto our expectations. Remember that adjusted basis is defined as non GAAP results in constant dollars and excluding acquisition impacts. You can review these disclosures in our earnings presentation for more detail.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

For the Q2, we expect adjusted net revenue growth to be in the high single digits to low double digits. I would note that the primary difference between Q1 and Q2 adjusted net revenue growth is the lapping of leap year. We expect 2nd quarter adjusted operating expense growth to be in the high single to low double digits. Non operating income in the 2nd quarter is expected to be negligible. And our tax rate in the 2nd quarter is expected to be around 17.5%.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

As a result, we expect 2nd quarter adjusted EPS growth to be in the high single digits. We have now closed the acquisition of FeatureSpace and lapped the impact of Pismo in January. For acquisition impacts, we expect a minimal impact to net revenue growth and approximately 1.5 point contribution to operating expense growth and an approximately 0.5 point headwind to EPS growth in the Q2. Now let's cover our full year expectations. We now expect full year adjusted net revenue growth to be in the low double digits.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

There are no material changes to our adjusted operating expense growth and non operating income expectations for the full year. Based on our lower than expected tax rate in Q1 and an updated view for the rest of the year, we're lowering our expected tax rate to be between 17.5% 18%. Taking all of this together, we now expect adjusted EPS growth to be in the low teens. Featurespace and Pismo are expected to have a minimal impact on full year net revenue growth and approximately one point contribution to operating expense growth and an approximately 0.5 point headwind to EPS growth. In summary, we're off to a strong start to the year.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

We remain focused on the execution of our growth strategy for the rest of 2025 and look forward to Investor Day in a few weeks. And now, Jennifer, it's time

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

for some Q and A.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Thanks, Chris. And with that, we're ready to take questions.

Operator

Thank you. Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW. Please go ahead.

Sanjay Sakhrani
Managing Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)

Thank you. I had a question on the improved outlook. Obviously, the volumes did better and they accelerated. Does the improved outlook assume the growth rates sort of sustain themselves or maybe you just go through sort of what the drivers are? Thanks.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Yes. Hi, Sanjay. Thanks for the question. Yes, we feel great about the Q1 results as I indicated.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Thank you. Will Nance with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Will Nance
Will Nance
Vice President at Goldman Sachs

Hey guys, I appreciate you taking the question. I also wanted to follow-up on some of the stronger spending results that you've seen. You called out the strong results that's been pretty evident in some of the prints so far this quarter. I just wanted to know if there's anything kind of when you peel back the onion in some of the data that you guys have, if there's anything obvious that you would attribute this acceleration over the past couple of months toward? I know you called out some things around holiday spending and obviously there's been a lot of days mix things going on, but we spent I think a year talking about ticket size being a headwind.

Will Nance
Will Nance
Vice President at Goldman Sachs

So I'm wondering how much of this is sort of a new run rate and lapping kind of tougher comps over the last couple of years versus kind of an outright acceleration and kind of spending above trend? Curious if you have any thoughts on that. Thanks.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Yes. Thanks for the question, Will. Well, let's try to break down, unpack a little bit a few things in there. We talked about strength in the U. S.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

And international markets, the strength in the U. S, we did have a strong holiday. I gave some of those numbers in the prepared comments that you heard about. It also helped discretionary categories, retail, travel, entertainment and then the lapping of Reg I. That was really the step up that we saw in the U.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

S. We feel really good about that. And then like we talked about as well across the regions. And so from a payment volume standpoint, feel really good about that. Cross border, maybe the added commentary on cross border was if you look at e commerce, e commerce was up a point from Q4, cross border e commerce benefiting from the stronger retail and holiday.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

And then travel though did step up by 4 points from Q4 and not just Q4, but maybe the last two quarters, which had been around that same level. We're seeing strong travel results from across all the regions. And so again, we feel really good about that. But all that said, it's a quarter into the year and we're going to obviously wait to see how Q2 plays out, but we feel pretty good about the outlook into the Q2.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Darrin Peller with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Darrin Peller
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

Guys, thanks. Just a couple of two parts to a question. But first one is really to do with the underlying trends we're going to see through the year with regard to the moving parts on some of your easier lapping, given that there were some businesses you talked about that should that had come off last year that laps. How does that impact your volume trajectory in the U. S?

Darrin Peller
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

As the year progresses, we can think about that. Obviously, Reg I. I started to help already. And then maybe just a quick follow-up on rebates incentives. I know you talked about this being the higher quarter that we were going to start the year off at.

Darrin Peller
Managing Director at Wolfe Research, LLC

Maybe just if you could help us, was this in line with your expectations in terms of the results that we saw? Or is anything changing around timing on it? Or did it really come in as expected? Thanks again, guys.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Okay. Let me try to tackle all three of those things, Darren. In terms of the full year guide, you are recalling correctly, when we started the year, we talked about sort of the dynamics in half 1 and half 2 and why we anticipated growth to be accelerating throughout the course of the year. Incentives was part of that story. We are as we said before, as expected, this is going to be a big year for renewals with more than 20% of our payment volume impacted and starting really meaningfully with that renewal cycle in the first half of the year.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

That has occurred. You saw incentives grow 13% in Q1 versus the 6% we saw in Q4. That will continue. We anticipate Q2 incentives growth will continue to reflect that renewal cycle. You mentioned Reg II.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

I think we've covered that. We are lapping what was modest impact from a year ago. And then there are some lapping benefits from portfolio as well that are more centered toward the second half of the year as well. That all said, again, I just have said it before. So the last question when Will asked, it's a quarter into the year.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

We reflected the Q1 upside and adjusted our Q2 outlook to reflect that. And we'll certainly talk about have to as we get closer to it.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question?

Operator

Thank you. Andrew Jeffrey with William Blair. You may go ahead.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Andrew, are you there? Operator, maybe we can go to the next caller and come back to Andrew in a bit.

Operator

One moment, please. And Andrew, you may go ahead, sir.

Andrew Jeffrey
Research Analyst at William Blair

Hi. Thank you. Can you hear me now?

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Yes. Now we can.

Andrew Jeffrey
Research Analyst at William Blair

I apologize for that. I'm sorry. I wanted to ask on value added services, given the recent closure of feature space and I think some emphasis in Pismo. Can you talk, Ryan, has there been a philosophical change or a change in emphasis perhaps in Visa's value added services initiatives? And going forward, as we think about greater opportunities in that area, should we think about Visa maybe emphasizing some more security offerings versus processing and gateway?

Andrew Jeffrey
Research Analyst at William Blair

Just trying to frame that up.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes. We continue to be very excited about the progress that we're making in value added services across the board. There's no change in emphasis as it relates to the priority or the prioritization of kind of the areas where we've been building products and serving clients. So we continue to be very focused on delivering solutions to merchants and acquirers, very focused on delivering solutions to issuers, very focused on delivering fraud and risk solutions broadly across the ecosystem as well as advisory business.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

I talked about some examples in my prepared remarks. We have had some great acquisitions. The way that we think about acquisitions is we're constantly kind of looking for companies around the world that we can bring into our ecosystem, accelerate their growth, accelerate our kind of products that we're bringing to our clients and Pismo and FeatureSpace are 2 great examples of those. In terms of Pismo, we're having real good success kind of with our sales pipeline all around the world. We're having conversations with clients that I don't think Pismo ever would have had, certainly not this early in their evolution.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

And the reason we're able to do that is we're bringing kind of the amazing capabilities that Pismo offers together with the deep relationships and partnerships that we have as well as kind of our long track record of delivering resilient solutions to our clients and partners. FeatureSpace is early, but we're already having a ton of success. I got a ton of great client and partner feedback once we closed that acquisition. We've known FeatureSpace for many, many years. We partnered with them.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We also competed against them. We know their capabilities really, really well. One of the things that you're seeing from us is that we're continuing to take the amazing capabilities that we have at Visa, whether that's our fraud capabilities, our network capabilities, our processing capabilities, we're unbundling those from the Visa stack, we're enhancing them and then we're delivering them to a broader array of clients and partners many times unrelated to Visa transactions or the VisaVet platform itself. So we continue to focus on all those areas in value added service. We continue to have good success and you'll continue to see us kind of move down this kind of program of unbundling our capabilities, enhancing them and delivering them to a much broader set of clients.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Thank

Operator

you. Harshita Rawat from Bernstein. You may go ahead.

Harshita Rawat
Senior Research Analyst at AB bernstein

Good afternoon. So Ryan, I want to follow-up on your comments on kind of this unbundling of the capabilities and ask about Visa A2A. You talked about 10 new RTP network partnerships. What are you hearing from your issuer and merchant customers? Bill pay is probably an obvious use case.

Harshita Rawat
Senior Research Analyst at AB bernstein

How should we think about the roadmap of use cases, monetization models and also the dynamics vis a vis debit in terms of cannibalization? Thank you.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes. You're right. This notion of unbundling our capabilities is very relevant in the value added services space for some of the reasons that I mentioned. It's also very relevant in the consumer payment space and Visa account to account is a great example. A great example where we've unbundled kind of our brand and acceptance, our rules in terms of charge backs, disputes and returns and how things work as well as kind of our risk management capabilities.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We've unbundled that from the Visa stack and now we're delivering that to our partners initially in the UK with Visa A2A and then more broadly across Europe and other places over time. We still are on track to launch Visa A2A in early 2025. After we announced it, we've done what we always do, which is have a bunch of great conversations with clients and partners and regulators in the U. K. As you mentioned, the initial use case is targeted at bill pay.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

And what we found through those conversations is there's a real need. There's a real need to add the types of processes and rules and the trusted brand that we have to account to account payments starting in bill pay to give consumers more confidence to use it, merchants more reason and confidence to offer it. And we're excited about it. I mean obviously bill pay in U. K.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Is just the start. But we think the power of kind of taking some of these Visa capabilities into the account to account space is going to be a great benefit for our clients and our partners in the ecosystem. You mentioned Visa account to account. It's a similar story kind of on what we've been doing in account to account protect, where we've taken our kind of decades of risk experience, our data, our scoring algorithms and unbundled that from kind of the Visa stack and we're delivering that to, as I said in my prepared remarks, we're targeting up to 10 RTP networks during the course of this year. I mentioned that the banks we're now working with in Brazil to reduce fraud on PIX transactions.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We've had great success with Pay. UK in the UK reducing fraud on account to account transactions. And you're going to hear a lot more on from other partners and other networks around the world. These two examples are both driven by client needs. I mean that is what drives our innovation agenda.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

That's what drives our product delivery agenda. We've been hearing from clients all around the world that they're looking for Visa to help them with these types of challenges, both driving account safe and secure account to account payments around the world. So, very excited about it and you'll continue to hear more from us on it.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next caller is Timothy Chouteau with UBS. Please go ahead, sir.

Timothy Chiodo
Timothy Chiodo
Managing Director at UBS Group

Great. Thank you. I want to take a little bit into the mix components of the cross border business. So you said in the past that roughly about 60% of it is travel and the other roughly 40% is e commerce. And I know that evolved a little bit throughout COVID and now into the recovery period.

Timothy Chiodo
Timothy Chiodo
Managing Director at UBS Group

But when we think about the e commerce component, I believe that some of the Visa Direct related pieces are sitting there. So whether it be the remittances that are cross border or the marketplace payouts, I was hoping you could dig into those 2 or that broader bucket. If there's any rough growth rates or growth contribution or sizing? And if not, just any general comments around that aspect of the cross border business?

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Thanks for the question, Tim. Yes, let's unpack that as well. We've been doing some unpacking here. In terms of e commerce, you had the mix that you've shared is the mix that we've shared in terms of travel and e commerce with e commerce having sustained slightly better over the last few quarters. Obviously, this quarter, the 2 growth rates converge.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

That was good to see. And within that, Visa Direct does have a cross border component. Visa Direct cross border we talked about Visa Direct transactions growing 34%. The cross border portion of that is growing much faster. It's obviously a small portion of the total transactions.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

It's growing much faster than that. And so we continue to appreciate that Visa Direct in total, the momentum is great and continues to be a really good opportunity. But yes, when you add it all together, we're seeing great growth across e commerce and cross border. And as you know, the yields are accretive as well.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

The only thing I'd

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

add is that given in the very big scheme of things, with all the success we're having in cross border Visa Direct, which is great and we are having great success, it's still a very small portion of our cross border transactions and payment volume around the world in the big scheme of things.

Operator

James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

James Faucette
James Faucette
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

Hi, thanks. I wanted to just follow-up a little bit on the cross border question. How much benefit in the past we've seen different periods when cryptocurrencies have done well, but that's also helped the cross border kind of e commerce component. I wonder how much of an uplift you saw from that? And I guess tied in with that as we've seen kind of growth rates decelerate a little bit here in January, what's your current visibility on particularly travel?

James Faucette
James Faucette
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

And what are you seeing around bookings there? Any color you could provide on those 2 things would be great. Thanks.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Hi, James. Crypto, so how and where does crypto impact the business? Well, there are a few ways that crypto can show up in our underlying drivers. But typically when we see an impact, we do see it in our cross border e commerce volumes. I talked about some of the drivers of that this quarter relative to Q4.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

But obviously, given the recent demand and sort of activity around crypto, It is a modest benefit, I would say, to our cross border e commerce, but it's one of the smaller benefits I talked about sort of the other things that impact that. And so that's where we do see it

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

typically.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Jason Kuperberg with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Jason Kupferberg
Jason Kupferberg
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you guys. I wanted to touch on tokenization for a minute. I think you said number of tokens were up 44% in the quarter, obviously pretty robust number. So, if you can just give us a general update on tokenization strategy and any potential timing or magnitude of actual monetization opportunity from tokenization, obviously, understanding the benefits of it from a fraud and security perspective, but just wondering if there's any direct monetization we should be thinking about?

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Happy to talk about tokens.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

You did get the number right and we agree that it's significant. Let me just step back and maybe put the whole token kind of roadmap in perspective. Visa Network tokens have been and will be one of our most important investment priorities across the company. In many ways, we led the wave of token innovation and adoption. It's been I think it's been about a decade since we issued the first Visa token.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

I remember, I think in 2020, we got to 1,000,000,000 tokens. And that was a big milestone. But in hindsight, like we were really just approaching the beginning of the steep part of the S curve. You go back to what you said about 44% growth. So we've now got more than 12,500,000,000 tokens across the ecosystem.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We got 8,400 issuers around the world that are issuing them in 200 plus markets around the world. And we've got a third of all Visa transactions that are now tokenized. We did $21,000,000,000 $22,000,000,000 token transactions in the last quarter. And as you alluded to, the adoption is proliferating because the performance improvement is meaningful. If you just look at e commerce on tokenized transactions, we have 6 percentage point higher approval rates.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

That is significantly higher sales for our merchant partners and 30% reduction in fraud rates, which is good for everybody in the ecosystem. It's also tokens have become one of our most important platforms for enabling innovation.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

For example, I think it was last quarter I talked about in Europe, we're using tokens to simplify the e commerce checkout experience.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We've embedded Fido pass keys via Visa tokens into Click2Pay and we're making e commerce checkout as easy as it is that you and I unlock our phone with our face or fingerprint. So that's an example of tokens being a platform to drive innovation around the world.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

They're also a critical enabler of our value added services and those we deepen relationships with our partners and we also grow revenue. To your question around monetization, what would be a couple of examples? We've got merchants that are using our token credential enrichment service. So we embed this in Visa tokens so that we continually update Visa credentials for merchants that subscribe to this service. And then they don't have to worry about consumers updating their credentials when their cards expire.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

So they don't miss a subscription renewal or a sale. And we are revenue for that service. We also offer a service, if you think about on the issuer side, that allows our issuers to create a heat map of all their consumers' tokens across the entire eco system. And they pay for this service from us so that they can enable their customers to add view and manage their Visa cards across merchants that they use in their daily lives. So, we have a vast array of services that we both ship and that we're building and plan to ship built on our tokens.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

And the revenue that we generate from these token enabled services is meaningful and it will be even more meaningful going forward.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Thank you. Bryan Keane with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Bryan Keane
Bryan Keane
Managing Director, Senior Equity Analyst - Payments, Processors, and IT Services at Deutsche Bank

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Bryan, just want to ask about X Money. How long does a project like that take for you guys to implement with X? Any kind of idea on how fast and how much volume that might ramp?

Bryan Keane
Bryan Keane
Managing Director, Senior Equity Analyst - Payments, Processors, and IT Services at Deutsche Bank

And any thoughts on economics? I assume it's just kind of Visa Direct type transactions. Thanks.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes. I think the X partnership is a great example in what's been a kind of long list of Fintech and Big Tech, crypto, digital wallets, social messaging apps and the like that have looked around at their options and concluded that the Visa platform, the Visa network and the Visa network of networks is kind of the best, most reliable, biggest money movement platform that's really engineered to enable their developers to quickly implement the types of solutions that they're looking to implement. And it's just it's another great step in that journey that we've been taking. As you said, the partnership is built on the Visa Direct platform. It's going to allow the 600,000,000 or so active monthly users of X to fund their X Money account.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

So to move money into it, They're going to be able to transfer funds back to their bank account instantly from their X Money account.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

There's going to be creators on the X platform that can now get paid much faster when they use Visa Direct to move money back into their bank accounts. So just it's a great credit to the partnership between our team and the ex money team and I think building out those use cases and we're just excited to continue to expand the number of use cases on our platform. Next question please.

Operator

Thank you. Dominic Gabriel from Compass Point, you may go ahead please.

Dominick Gabriele
Analyst at Compass Point Research & Trading LLC

Hey, thanks so much for taking my question.

Dominick Gabriele
Analyst at Compass Point Research & Trading LLC

I was actually just curious if you heard through your partners on either the consumer or commercial side, if the threat of tariffs pushed up any commercial spending or consumer spending and if you've tracked that

Dominick Gabriele
Analyst at Compass Point Research & Trading LLC

in the past? Thanks so much.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes. We haven't seen anything directly related to that. And I think just like, I guess, broadening the question a bit. I think on tariffs broadly, we're going to have to wait and see what happens. I think it's going to be very difficult to predict what's going to get implemented, where it's going to get implemented.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

And as we see these things potentially get implemented, we'll have a better sense on what impacts it has for our business and we can let you know then.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Thank you. Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Bryan Bergin
Managing Director at TD Cowen

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you. I wanted to talk on commercial. So I think I caught 6% growth, so one point improvement there in quarter on quarter. Can you talk more about the trends in commercial spend in 1Q?

Bryan Bergin
Managing Director at TD Cowen

And is further improvement expected or I guess sustainable here in the 2025 outlook relative to what you saw in 2024?

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Thanks for the question. You got the numbers right. Commercial volumes were up from Q4, a little over a point. And that Q1 growth was aided by a couple of things, favorable days mix in the U. S.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

And internationally, which was the inverse of what I talked about in Q4 where days mix was a little bit of a headwind. I also referenced stronger commercial cross border volumes as well. And maybe the third one, it's small, but there was less of a drag from ATS as it continues to evolve. I also referenced strong results from client portfolios that helped cross border volumes in Europe and AP that also benefited commercial. This all contributed nicely to our strong new flows revenue performance.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

That is a trend that we in terms of commercial volumes that is embedded into our expectations are embedded into our Q2 guidance. We anticipate they remain steady, stable and strong through the remainder of the year.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Dan Kirlin with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Dan Perlin
Dan Perlin
Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. I was wondering if

Dan Perlin
Dan Perlin
Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets

you could just speak to the point around the strength of the dollar and really like the purchasing power parity associated with that. So for I guess it plays into cross border obviously for outbound U. S, but higher for people to come in the United States, but also just in terms of just spending patterns. I mean, obviously, this is going to be a strong period for a little while. And I'm just wondering to what extent there's the proportional benefit to your business.

Dan Perlin
Dan Perlin
Managing Director at RBC Capital Markets

Thank you.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes. I mean, clearly the dollar has strengthened meaningfully and quickly. You got it right, which is all else equal, with a stronger dollar, you have stronger purchasing power for Americans outside of America. In kind of historical periods where we've had a stronger dollar, We have ultimately seen that lead to some travel patterns for outbound from the U. S.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

The opposite of that is obviously it's more expensive for people to travel to the U. S. In kind of again historical periods of relatively stronger dollars, we've seen some shift in travel patterns of people who might otherwise have traveled to the U. S. Going to other places around the world.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Having said that, it's still early. This particular situation we're going to have to monitor. And even though in past times you have seen some changes in travel corridors as a result of a strengthening dollar, we typically have seen the travel spending overall remain consistent. People just plan their holidays in different places around the world, but that takes time. We're only we're a pretty short period into this stronger dollar period so far.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

So assuming we stay at this point, we'll be able to give you more insight next quarter and future quarters.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Andrew Schmidt with Citi Global Markets. Please go ahead.

Andrew Schmidt
Equity Research Analyst at Citi Global Markets

Hey, Ryan. Hey, Chris. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to ask on the regulatory environment in the U. S.

Andrew Schmidt
Equity Research Analyst at Citi Global Markets

Obviously, a new regulatory regime here. I'm wondering just your view on that and just conversations maybe you've had with issuers or other parties, just trying to get a better sense. I know there's a few things going on in the U. S. Obviously.

Andrew Schmidt
Equity Research Analyst at Citi Global Markets

Curious how you're feeling? Thanks so much.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes. We're optimistic. Our clients are optimistic. I think what we've heard so far is that the administration wants to move quickly to reduce and simplify regulations and they're doing it kind of with a goal of spurring economic growth, efficiency, innovation, all very good things. So we're optimistic that these changes are going to reduce the regulatory burden for businesses in general in America, which is good for America and ultimately should be good for Visa.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We're optimistic as our clients are that they're going to reduce the regulatory burden, specifically in the financial sector, which will in turn help our FI clients accelerate digital payments and in general run their businesses more efficiently and more effectively, which is very good for them, which is in turn good for us. So we're optimistic, but again, it's early and we just have to see what gets implemented, where it gets implemented and how quickly it does.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Craig Maurer with Feet Partners. Please go ahead.

Craig Maurer
Managing Director at Financial Technology Partners

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to go back to some of the big deal renewals you discussed early in the call and ask about the interplay of the different revenue lines in these renewals. What I'm trying to understand is you're obviously making pricing concessions when you make these large when you enter into these large renewals or deal expansions.

Craig Maurer
Managing Director at Financial Technology Partners

To what degree are you able to make up for that with other revenue or VAS being sold into these issuers? And I know this is complicated, but how much is that accounting for the expansion we're seeing in some of the other revenue? Thanks.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes. First just reflecting on this quarter, the last quarter, as you've seen, we've just been having great tremendous success with clients all over the world. And they continue to choose Visa because of our brand, because of our products, because of our innovation, because of our people, but increasingly because of our value added services and because of our CMS or new flows capabilities. And I guess I would answer your question this way. When we engage and our teams engage with partners on these types of renewal extension, new business deals that you're talking about, it is vastly different than it was 3 or 4 years ago.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

The types of conversations that we're having with our clients are much more multifaceted. They're very rich conversations about a broad array of services that we can provide them, one of which is of course network services for their debit cards and credit cards. But in a much more significant way, we're having conversations about processing, about services, about fraud and risk services, about ways that as part of a multifaceted agreement, we can expand from historical relationships and consumer payments to small business cards, commercial cards, fleet specific priorities around fleet for example or around agricultural verticals or different types of B2B verticals. It's just a it's a very different sales motion. It's a very different type of negotiation.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

But importantly, as you alluded to, it involves a lot of different revenue levers than we historically would have had. So, it varies from client to client and market to market and what's important to them. But our teams are increasingly having success building on deep relationships historically in consumer payments and taking the opportunity of these renewals to really expand our partnerships especially into new flows opportunities into VaaS opportunities, deepening our relationship with those partners and creating new revenue growth opportunities.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Next question please.

Operator

Jeff Cantwell with Seaport Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Jeff Cantwell
Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Great. Thank you. Does the news this week on DeepSeq influence how you're thinking about your business strategy, possibly in terms of whether you're thinking about stepping up the usage of AI to help with managing internal costs or maybe in terms of whether you're thinking about using AI as a tool to support your growth and unlock new revenue opportunities? Because it does appear from an outsider's perspective, AI potentially could help improve operating efficiency. It might even perhaps support some of your revenue areas like authorization or fraud prevention.

Jeff Cantwell
Senior Equity Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

So wanted to ask you for your view on what DeepSeq and the rise of AI generally means for Visa as far as strategy and where do you see opportunity going forward? Thanks.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

Yes, we agree with you. Everything that's happening in the world, whether it's DeepSeq or the many, many things that have happened before or will happen after it, all are examples of opportunities for us broadly across Visa. We were very early adopters of artificial intelligence and we continue to drive hard at the adoption of generative AI as we have for the last couple of years. So we've been working to embed AI and AI tooling into our company's operations, I guess broadly. We've seen material gains in productivity particularly in our engineering teams.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

We've deployed AI tooling in client services, sales, finance, marketing, really everywhere across the company. And we were a very early adopter of applied AI in the analytics and modeling space. Very early by like decades, we've been using AI in that space. So our data science and risk management teams have at this point decades of applied experience with AI and they're aggressively adopting the current generations of AI technology to enhance both our internal and our market facing predictive and detective modeling capabilities. Our product teams are also aggressively adopting GAI to build and ship new products.

Ryan McInerney
Ryan McInerney
CEO at Visa

I think I talked last quarter about data tokens. That's a great example. And just as the Internet itself fundamentally changed the way that we all shop and buy and the way commerce works itself, We deeply believe that AI is going to be a driving force that is going to change the way digital commerce works. And we have an amazing team of people that are working really hard to ensure that Visa plays a central and sustainable role in the next version of digital commerce. And I think we'll have more to say about that in future quarters.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

Last question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Tien Tsin Huang from JPMorgan, you may go ahead.

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

Hey, thanks. I've closed it out with a question and a clarification if you don't mind. Just on the question with Asia Pac, it looks like that's the only laggard again as a region, otherwise growth is really good. Any change in outlook for Asia Pac and the usual macro versus structural question there? Just curious if there's any change in taking the region.

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

My clarification was just on the restructuring. Was that contemplated in your prior guide? And will I presume that the savings that you get from that will be reinvested pretty quickly? Sorry if I missed that. Thank you.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Great, Ty. Okay. Let me quickly get to it. Maybe the latter one first, just to clear it. Restructuring, it reflects we took we recorded a charge this quarter.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

It's reflected in the guide for the full year. It's really focusing on expenses. We don't expect another charge this year. And sorry, remind me your first question again. Asia Pacific.

Chris Suh
Chris Suh
CFO at Visa

Asia Pacific, yes, sorry. So AP growth, I think you characterized it right. It is moderately up from Q4, about a point, a little bit more than a point, but it still reflects a somewhat muted environment. So it's growing at 1% in total, moving in the right direction, but still quite muted.

Jennifer Como
Jennifer Como
Senior Vice President & Global Head of Investor Relations at Visa

And with that, we'd like to thank you for joining us today. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call or e mail our Investor Relations team. Thanks again, and have a great day.

Operator

Thank you all for participating in Visa's fiscal first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. That concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect at this time and please enjoy the rest of your day.

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