NYSE:MSA MSA Safety Q4 2024 Earnings Report $153.66 +0.34 (+0.22%) Closing price 04/25/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$155.00 +1.34 (+0.87%) As of 04/25/2025 04:10 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast MSA Safety EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.25Consensus EPS $2.23Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/AMSA Safety Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected Revenue$521.44 millionBeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMSA Safety Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/12/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, February 13, 2025Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsMSA Safety's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by MSA Safety Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 13, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the MSA Safety Fourth Quarter and Full Year twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Larry De Maria. Operator00:00:31Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:33Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to MSA Safety's fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four earnings conference call. This is Larry De Maria, Executive Director of Investor Relations. I'm joined by Steve Blanco, President and CEO Lee Macheusny, Senior Vice President and CFO and Stephanie Sciullo, President of our Americas segment. During today's call, we'll discuss MFA fifty's fourth quarter and full year financial results along with our full year 2025 outlook. Speaker 100:00:58Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that the matters discussed during this call may include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements include, but are not limited to, both projections and anticipated levels of future performance. Forward looking statements involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. These risks, uncertainties and other factors are detailed in our SEC filings. MSA Safety undertakes no duty to publicly update any forward looking statements made on this call, except as required by law. Speaker 100:01:33We've included certain non GAAP financial measures as part of our discussion this morning. The non GAAP reconciliations are available in the appendix of today's presentation. The presentation and press release are available on our Investor Relations website at investors.msasafety.com. Moving on to today's agenda. First, Steve will highlight the importance of our mission and Friday business update from the fourth quarter and full year 2024. Speaker 100:01:56We will then review our financial performance in 2025 outlook. To conclude, Steve will outline our 2025 strategic priorities before providing closing comments. We will then open the call for your questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Steve Blanco. Steve? Speaker 200:02:12Thanks, Larry, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for your continued interest in MSA Safety. Starting on Slide four, 2024 marked MSA Safety's one hundred and tenth year as a purpose driven company. Over that time, we've remained dedicated to our mission that men and women may work in safety and that they, their families and their communities may live and help throughout the world. Today, we are better positioned than ever to help our customers solve their toughest safety challenges. Speaker 200:02:42As we move forward into 2025, we remain focused on fulfilling our mission and protecting the more than 40,000,000 workers around the world that place their trust in the MSA brand. I want to personally thank all of our associates for their continued commitment to our singular mission of safety. Before we get into our recent performance, I'd like to acknowledge and thank the more than fifteen thousand first responders, including our customers from the Los Angeles County and Los Angeles City Fire Departments, who have been heroically fighting to end the devastating fires in Southern California. As we've done with past disasters, MSA is partnering with the American Red Cross to help those directly impacted. And our team continues to monitor situation for additional opportunities to provide support. Speaker 200:03:32Now on Slide five to provide a business update on the quarter and full year. Our team executed well against the backdrop of a dynamic operating environment to conclude 2024. Financial results for the quarter were mixed as we achieved margin expansion through SG and A management, earnings growth and solid free cash flow generation despite sales growth that was lower than expectations. Sales were impacted by pockets of industrial market weakness and softer U. S. Speaker 200:04:03Fire service demand as well as foreign exchange headwinds. That said, overall demand was resilient across our product categories as evidenced by healthy order pace in the fourth quarter and we continue to see order momentum so far this quarter. Sequentially, backlog reduction was attributable to seasonal customer deliveries as well as the anticipated U. S. Air Force delivery. Speaker 200:04:28From a commercial perspective, we announced the award of a ten year thirty three million dollars breathing apparatus contract with the U. S. Coast Guard and delivered on the second tranche of the U. S. Air Force order. Speaker 200:04:39Additionally, we received our largest ever order for the MSA plus connected portables, which was a competitive win from a large energy customer in North America. We remain encouraged by our pipeline for connected devices in 2025, as we continue to meet our customers where they are on their connected journey. Moving now to our product categories, sales in fire service on a reported basis were up high single digits year over year, primarily due to double digit growth in SCBA, which benefited from positive impacts of shipping the final units of the U. S. Air Force order as well as strong performance in international markets. Speaker 200:05:18Sales and Detection were down low single digits year over year on a contraction in fixed gas and flame detection, primarily due to a challenging comp, partially offset by high single digit growth in portable gas detection, which continued to perform well across traditional and connected devices. Industrial PPE sales were down mid single digits for the year. We had low single digit growth in industrial head protection, offset by a low single digit decline in fall protection as well as double digit contraction in other PPE sales. From a full year perspective, net sales growth finished the year up 1% on a reported basis and 2% on an organic basis, compounding on top of the 17% reported growth we delivered in 2023. While top line growth was more modest than we originally anticipated, we remain encouraged by the positive long term trends in industrial safety technology, our innovation pipeline and the overall resiliency of the business. Speaker 200:06:20Strong operating leverage driven by resilient gross margins and SG and A management enabled adjusted operating margin expansion and 10% adjusted earnings growth. Turning to Slide six. At our Investor Day last May, we introduced our strategy, which we refer to as Accelerate, to deliver long term profitable growth, as well as 2028 financial targets. The progress we have made this year on advancing this strategy provides us with a strong foundation to build on in 2025 and beyond. And it reinforces our confidence and commitment to our 2028 financial targets. Speaker 200:06:58I'd like to take a few moments to highlight a few of the key accomplishments in 2024. First, we leverage our market leading innovation and new product development process, which includes a high focus on voice of customer to introduce innovative products and solutions across our categories. In Fire Service, we launched the new Karnes eighteen thirty six Fire Helmet and we completed work on our next generation G1 SCBA, which we recently submitted to the NFPA for its approval to the 2025 standard. In detection, we bolstered our fixed gas and flame detection portfolio with the release of the FL5000 multi spectrum IR flame detector. And in industrial PPE, we released our newest industrial head protection solution, the vGuard H2 Safety Helmet. Speaker 200:07:51Our team's ability to deliver innovative products and solutions across our portfolio reinforces our competitive and continued leadership in the premium safety solutions market. We also leaned into the implementation of our targeted growth accelerators. This included accelerating our customer solutions and recurring revenue through our MSA plus Connected Worker platform. Connected portables were our fastest growing category in 2024, and we expect further growth in 2025 via customer acquisitions, existing conversions of customers and additional product development. As an organization, we continue to apply the principles of the MSA business system to drive continuous improvement in all we do. Speaker 200:08:38We further deployed our broad operational excellence program with a strong focus on maximizing our customer experience and operating margin enhancement. Our goal remains to deliver productivity and sourcing savings, manage price and inflation, improve quality and deliver an exceptional customer experience. These initiatives are paying dividends and resonating within the organization, helping us drive continued expansion of gross and operating profit, while improving customer satisfaction. Finally, our strong financial profile and balance sheet enabled effective capital allocation through organic growth investments and the return of capital to shareholders in the form of dividends and share buybacks. In addition, we remain highly disciplined in our approach to M and A, and we continue to evaluate inorganic growth opportunities that meet our strategic and financial goals. Speaker 200:09:36With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Lee to walk us through the fourth quarter and full year '20 '20 '4 financial results in more detail and our 'twenty five outlook. Lee? Speaker 300:09:47Thank you, Steve, and good day, everyone. We appreciate you joining the call. Let's start on Slide seven with the quarterly financial highlights. Fourth quarter sales were $500,000,000 an increase of 1% on a reported basis and 2% organic over the prior year. Healthy growth in the fire service was partially offset by a low single digit contraction in detection and a mid single digit contraction in industrial PP and E. Speaker 300:10:14We had contributions from volume and pricing in the quarter and currency translation was a 1% headwind to overall growth. Order pace remained solid in the fourth quarter, up 14% year over year and second half orders are up 10% versus the same prior year period. While macro and geopolitical conditions remain dynamic, we continue to see mix, but generally resilient market conditions and retain an active new business pipeline. This system with normal seasonal patterns, our book to bill was slightly below one times and as we anticipated we reduced backlog following an increase in the third quarter. Backlog conversion was largely in fire service more specifically related to the G1 SCBA. Speaker 300:11:01Now moving on to margins. Gross profit in the fourth quarter was resilient at 46.9 percent, down 120 basis points over the prior year. Gross margin contraction was attributable to inflation and large project mix, which was partially offset by price and productivity programs. GAAP operating margin was 23.5% with adjusted operating margin of 24, up 70 basis points over the prior year and incremental operating margin of 113%. The margin increase was largely due to effective SG and A management and lower variable compensation expense, along with our sustained price inflation focus and continued productivity execution. Speaker 300:11:46Our laser focus on driving sustainable margin improvements continues to yield results. GAAP net income in the quarter totaled $88,000,000 or $2.22 per diluted share. On an adjusted basis, diluted earnings per share were $2.25 up 9% over the prior year. The increase was largely due to higher operating profit driven by sales growth and effective SG and A management, lower interest expense as a result of ongoing deleveraging and a lower year over year effective tax rate. Now I'd like to review our segment performance. Speaker 300:12:21In our Americas segment, sales increased 1% year over year on a reported basis, as growth in fire service was partially offset by contractions in detection and industrial PPE. Currency translation was a 2% headwind. Adjusted operating margin was 30.7%, up 90 basis points year over year. Margin expansion was largely driven by price realization, productivity and SG and A management. In our International segment, growth was flat year over year on both a reported and organic basis. Speaker 300:12:56Double digit growth in Fire Service was balanced with mid single digit contractions in Detection and Industrial PPE. Currency translation was relatively neutral in the quarter. And adjusted operating margin was 17.6%, a year over year decrease of 60 basis points due to inflationary pressures partially offset by price. Now moving on to Slide eight, where I'll review our full year 2024 results. Relatively broad based demand offset some pockets of weakness throughout the year, leading to total net sales of $1,800,000,000 up 1% reported and 2% organic compared to last year. Speaker 300:13:38Positive contributions from price were partially offset by modest FX pressure, primarily in Latin America. Both segments contributed low single digit growth. Gross profit margin was 47.6% in 2024, about flat year over year. Adjusted operating margin was 22.9%, up 70 basis points compared to the prior year. Incremental operating margins were 81%. Speaker 300:14:07Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $7.7 up 10% over the prior year. Our continued ability to generate capital efficient growth was evidenced by our 22.9% adjusted return on capital employed. Now turning to Slide nine. Free cash flow in the fourth quarter was 93,000,000 representing a conversion rate of 105%. Free cash flow was driven by higher earnings, backlog conversion and solid working capital execution with an improvement of working capital efficiency of 70 basis points year over year. Speaker 300:14:45With that said, we did finish the year slightly below our target levels tied to the sales shortfall and balance sheet hedging programs. We invested $14,000,000 in CapEx, repaid $43,000,000 in debt and returned $20,000,000 in dividends to shareholders and repurchased $10,000,000 of shares. For the full year, free cash flow was $242,000,000 compared to $397,000,000 in the prior year, which was adjusted for the divestiture of MSA LLC completed in January of twenty twenty three. Full year conversion rate of 80% was below our targeted levels, primarily due to working capital and higher cash compensation and tax payments related to our strong performance in 2023. Now during 2024, we invested $54,000,000 in CapEx, repaid $94,000,000 of debt, returned $79,000,000 in dividends to shareholders and repurchased $30,000,000 of shares. Speaker 300:15:45Net debt at the end of the year was $343,000,000 including cash of $165,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the full year was $469,000,000 or 26% of sales. We strengthened our financial position in 2024, ending the year with significant liquidity and net leverage of 0.7 times. Our overall financial strength provides us with ample liquidity, enables our balanced capital deployment strategy and continued investments in growth. Through the continued implementation of MSA business system, we made great progress this year reducing our backlog to normalized levels and lowering backorders. This has had meaningful benefits, including improved delivery times and fill rates, as well as greater productivity measures and reduce working capital. Speaker 300:16:36And while we're still in the early innings of implementing our business system, it has been very rewarding to see these projects come to life across the globe. I'm now on to Slide 10. Before turning to our 2025 outlook, I wanted to take a minute to reflect on our financial performance trends. At a high level, our resiliency is reflected in the organic growth, incremental margins and our improved balance sheet. As I look towards our 2028 goals, we can look at the last three years as a baseline to why we remain optimistic even with a dynamic 2025 upon us. Speaker 300:17:14Let's turn to our 2025 outlook on Slide 11. We've taken a balanced approach in our outlook based on the positive long term dynamics inherent in our industry that underpin demand. The essential nature of our differentiated products and solutions, and the stability and diversity of our portfolio and end markets. However, the operating environment will be dynamic with continued uncertain macroeconomic and geopolitical climate. Additionally, we've noticed since our May 2024 Investor Day, we have challenging comps to the delivery of the U. Speaker 300:17:50S. Air Force orders and incremental backlog conversion in 2024. Overall, fire service remains healthy and we have confidence in our strategy to navigate the upcoming North America and FPA standard change for fire service, Though there could be some timing dynamics throughout the year. With this backdrop, we remain cautiously optimistic in our outlook, which balances the opportunities and risks we see ahead of us, as well as the resilient nature of our business. We expect to generate low single digit organic sales growth in 2025, which would be in our normal mid single digit range if not for the comparison headwinds I just mentioned. Speaker 300:18:34Finally, I would also note that our sales cadence in 2025 will be in line with historical trends. For modeling purposes, I will also provide some below the line drivers that impact the results. We expect our tax rate to be between 2425% in 2025. And based on current rates, interest expense is expected to be approximately $24,000,000 to $27,000,000 We expect pension and other non operating income to be $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 higher than 2024 levels. In addition, while we expect organic sales growth to be up low single digits, certainly current foreign exchange rates imply a further headwind to reported sales. Speaker 300:19:16We are not immune to external factors that could impact our top and bottom line, but we will continue to be agile in the event of the operating environment differing meaningfully from our expectations. For example, while we do not include tariffs in our outlook, we stand ready to navigate any potential impact we see. Finally, I'd like to share my gratitude to our global team for their solid execution and operating performance in 2024. We are well positioned entering '25 and we will continue to be fully focused on executing our accelerated strategy, delivering on our financial commitments and creating sustainable value for our shareholders. Now, I'd like to turn the call back to Steve and he can outline the key areas of focus for 2025. Speaker 200:20:04Thanks, Lee. And I'm on Slide 12. As I look ahead into 2025, our team around the world continues to maintain their focus on serving our mission and executing our strategy while controlling what we can control. Our 2025 initiative strongly emphasized growth and extending our leadership position in safety technology through innovation, implementing the MSA business system and delivering continued improvements in operations and maintaining our disciplined approach to capital allocation. On Slide 13, overall, we executed well in what we see as a dynamic environment in 2024, attribute to the team's focus on serving that mission and the inherent resiliency of our business. Speaker 200:20:47As we turn to '25, we remain focused on driving profitable growth and building on the foundational work we completed in 2024 for our Accelerate strategy. I'm confident our focus and determination will help drive long term value creation for our shareholders and continue to make MSA safety the preferred choice for our customers around the world. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for Q and A. Operator00:21:15Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And your first question today will come from Ross Sperinblick with William Blair. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:21:47Hey, good morning gentlemen. Speaker 200:21:49Good morning, Ross. Speaker 400:21:51Steve, you called out firming orders in your commentary there. Can you maybe just help us size the cadence as we move through the quarter and into January? And maybe just frame some of the puts and takes as we think about the growth expectations throughout 2025? Speaker 200:22:05Yes. For you mean the order pace we've seen thus far, Russ? Speaker 400:22:08Exactly. Yes. Speaker 200:22:11Yes. So if we looked at the overall fourth quarter, we started out, we would say, where we hope to be in fourth quarter. December was lighter than we anticipated. A lot of that industrial wise, slower December than we thought. And I think it fit that thesis of that shopping us in industrial, which our distributors kind of shared with us as well. Speaker 200:22:37So we weren't seeing what we thought maybe in December, but as we looked into year to date thus far, it's been a really solid start across the board, especially in our Detection business. Fire service has been good. So as we look at it, overall, I think we look at the 25 story, the incoming and the pipeline really matching up with what we anticipated. As we talked even back to Investor Day, I think it fits really well with what we initially thought strategically we'd focus on and how we've kind of moved forward into the detection space and fall protection is clearly a category as well. So, so far, I'd say the order pace is just as we hoped it would be and the pipeline is the same. Speaker 400:23:27Okay. I mean, with the coming NFPA standard change, I mean, do you get the sense that there's been any deferred ordering in anticipation of the new product launches? Speaker 200:23:36Yes, that's a good question too. So, this first, the fire service business continues to be resilient and the pipeline is good. I would say that the pace of ordering wasn't to the level we anticipated as we ended the year. We had the fire service, the Air Force order, which was nice, but we actually expected it to be a little stronger. Now, again, we're not seeing any competitive accounts take those orders from us, but a slower pace. Speaker 200:24:03As we look into 2025, we are cautious because of the NFPA standard change in the latter part of the year that promulgates probably early twenty six. But I think we're really well positioned. Our team's done a nice job really talking to the customer base on who will potentially wait and who won't. And in our view, we got a pretty good base of business that won't wait, but there certainly are customers that are going to consider, hey, I want to wait and see what the new standard does. Speaker 400:24:33Okay. That's very helpful. And just one more for me. You also referenced a large MSA Plus order. Excuse me if I missed it. Speaker 400:24:40Was this a new or existing customer? Just like to better understand some of the competitive dynamics and moving into the marketplace? Speaker 200:24:48Yes. Thanks for the question. So this was a competitive conversion, a large customer in North America, great competitive conversion where we competed against all of the primary competitors you might expect and the team did a fantastic job. Speaker 400:25:05That's great to hear. All right. I'll jump back in queue. Thanks guys. Speaker 200:25:08Thanks Ross. Operator00:25:11Your next question today will come from Saree Boroditsky with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:25:17Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just focusing a little bit on the margins, America margins exiting the year at almost 31%. How does this set you up as you think about the margin potential heading into 2025? Speaker 300:25:31Yes. So good morning. Well, I'd probably bring you back to our goal each year is to target 30 to 50 basis points of improvement. That's certainly what we're going to do each year. I would say when we think about '25 that will be a bit harder. Speaker 300:25:49Certainly FX is out there. I've said this a number of times, we go after that type of improvement and if something goes wrong, you've got something to combat it. So, I mean, right now, I'm not going to get into the game with predicting FX, but we certainly know it's if I look at the rates today, it's at least a point and times even in the last few weeks has been more than that. But I still think for the year, we're looking to move the margins up and it's going to be more in the gross margin area than in the SG and A area as we think about our outlook for 2025. Speaker 500:26:23That's helpful. Then maybe switching to international, a similar question. Can you just talk through the variability in international margins as we head into 2025? How do you think about the step down into the first quarter sequentially and then how should margins trend through the remainder of the year? Speaker 300:26:38Yes, good question. I think for international, but also just for the entire portfolio, there's definitely a step down in 1Q just simply because of volume leverage. And that's how we see it. We made a comment about just the outlook for the year. You're going to see a more normal seasonal pattern in our sales. Speaker 300:26:57The last couple of years, you've had some anomalies because of large orders or backlogs and things like that. But there is a variability in international. It doesn't have the same market position or market dynamics that we do in North America. But we are working on the same things. We're working on productivity, launching NPD. Speaker 300:27:19We certainly have done restructuring over time to attack our cost base. And I think it's more of a long term play. I There are structural differences between the international markets in North America, so there'll be a difference. But certainly, we have this margin objectives, we're going after it across the globe, Sri. Speaker 500:27:41I appreciate that. And then just one more, you mentioned just the normal seasonality for the year, but if I just kind of focus on Americas and Fire Service, just talk about how you're thinking about the cadence to the Fire Service sales given the challenging comp in the fourth quarter? Speaker 300:27:55Yes, sure. Yes, so I'll give you a couple dynamics to think about. So we're talking about low single digit organic growth as our target for the year. It's certainly when I say you have a normal seasonal pattern, that's always going to again have that lower first quarter, a little bit step up in the second quarter and there's a larger back half. Typically, our sales overall are probably about 47% to 48% in the first half of the year and the remainder is in the back half. Speaker 300:28:24So when you drop that in into 2025, that's going to give you just a different view because in the first half of twenty twenty four, we had Air Force, we also had a kind of our final rundown of extra backlog. In Fire overall, as we share, we think for the year, it will be a negative growth year because of those comps. And certainly the harder comp is in the first half of the year versus the second half. And I'll just add to that because beyond that, we've talked about that since May. We still have our focus on detection being our leading pro segment. Speaker 300:29:03That's still our view for 2025 as well. And then industrial PP certainly default protections are focused to get that into a positive as well in 2025. Speaker 500:29:13I appreciate the color. Thanks so much. Operator00:29:22And your next question today will come from Jeff Van Sinderen with B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:29:29Good morning, everyone. You touched a little bit about this on your prepared comments, but wondering if you can speak a little bit more about what you're doing in terms of product innovation in 'twenty five and I guess even into 'twenty six. And then could some of those innovation initiatives create demand for replacements and upgrades in the Detection segment? Just curious about what you're seeing there. Speaker 200:29:54Yes. Thanks for the question. So I mean, broadly speaking, as you know and we talked a bit about this in the prepared comments, but innovation is where we lead and it helps us differentiate who we are in the marketplace. We spend a lot of time with our customers, a lot of VOC or voice of customer activity to inform us and gain the insights to really come up with solutions to the challenges they identify. So I would look at '25 and '26. Speaker 200:30:22You know '25, you think about what we talked with fire service. We've taken advantage of this switch to enhance the G1, specifically with what we see as the next generation G1 that we'll showcase at this year's FDIC. And that's focused on optimizing comfort, functionality, ergonomics, etcetera. And then if you lean in the detection space a little bit more, I think what's really good for us and I'll talk about this in two categories because we see detection as the fixed monitoring and then we look at the portable side of this. So if you look at the portable side of this business, we really are leaning into the connected platform a lot. Speaker 200:31:04We have the IO4. We also have a robust plan of product software updates and cloud capabilities that will continue to roll out throughout 2025 and beyond. So you'll see some of that show up this year. Certainly, that does have that's part of our strategic initiative set of the Accelerate strategy we talked about in May that's coming to fruition and should see some really nice benefits. A lot of that might be the latter half of the year as far as when you see the revenue side of that, but really good progress there. Speaker 200:31:37And in the fixed side, that fixed monitoring space, it's a really strong business, great diversity in the portfolio. And we've got an expanded solution set because of our HVAC refrigeration and automation and that came through Bacharach, came through the SNC acquisition. That adds to the strong base in energy that we already have, including clean, including the best storage space where we play in and that strong installed base. So I think when we think of detection, it's really fitting out or filling out really well with what we expected and it's going to be a key growth driver into the future. Speaker 600:32:19Okay, terrific. And then just wanted to follow-up a little bit on the new NFPA standard changes this year. As you think about that, what do you feel needs to happen for that business to normalize under the new standard? And then I guess, I know this is a tough question, but how do you see sort of the timeframe of that playing out? Speaker 200:32:42Well, these standards come out usually every five to six years. So this is something that's not new. So we do have a lot of experience with this. Typically, what you see is you see customers evaluate where they're at in the buying cycle and a lot of customers can't wait. And then they also evaluate what's changing in the standard and how do they view that relative to the needs they have as a specific department. Speaker 200:33:08So the 25 standard, which the timing is really up to the NFPA when they get through all of the approval processes. They have to do all the testing. We've submitted our platform and certainly our competitors we think are doing the same. But they have to go through all of that process and then they validate those different platforms for approval. And we would expect that to promulgate probably early twenty six. Speaker 200:33:35Again, we don't know the timing exactly, but that would be likely. But if you look at that standard, the changes on it relative to typical standard changes are fairly minor. They're not significant in nature. So that's kind of the thoughts our team has. There certainly will be customers that wait. Speaker 200:33:54We expect that to happen. There always are, but it's a fairly normalized standard change in our view. And we did as I said, I think we look at our G1 platform, which we launched in 2014 and we've continued to enhance that for our customers. So including the 2018 standard, we've made each or taken advantage of each standard change opportunity to really upgrade that. But this latest enhancement for the G1 and what we've done on the next gen, we think the timing is perfect. Speaker 200:34:25So next year when it promulgates, this '25 standard will be twelve years out from that first twenty fourteen G1, perfect timing for those first units to come back up. So we feel really good as we go into the future on this. '25 is going to be a little choppy. The comp for Air Force and certainly the standard change, but we think we're well prepared. Speaker 600:34:48Good to hear. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:34:52You bet. Thanks for the questions. Operator00:34:55This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Larry De Maria for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:35:03Thank you. We appreciate you joining the call this morning and for your continued interest in MSA Safety. If you missed a portion of today's call, an audio replay will be made available later today on our Investor Relations website and will be available for the next ninety days. We look forward to updating you on our continued progress again next quarter. Operator00:35:22The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMSA Safety Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Annual report(10-K) MSA Safety Earnings HeadlinesMSA Safety Incorporated (NYSE:MSA) Receives $194.20 Average Price Target from BrokeragesApril 26 at 1:11 AM | americanbankingnews.com3 Volatile Stocks with Questionable FundamentalsApril 22, 2025 | finance.yahoo.comHere’s How to Claim Your Stake in Elon’s Private Company, xAIElon Musk has done it again. 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Email Address About MSA SafetyMSA Safety (NYSE:MSA) develops, manufactures, and supplies safety products and technology solutions that protect people and facility infrastructures in the fire service, energy, utility, construction, and industrial manufacturing applications, as well as heating, ventilation, air conditioning, and refrigeration industries worldwide. The company's core product offerings include fixed gas and flame detection systems, such as gas detection monitoring systems, and flame detectors and open-path infrared gas detectors; breathing apparatus products, including self-contained breathing apparatus; hand-held portable gas detection instruments to detect the presence or absence of various gases in the air; industrial head protection products; firefighter helmets and protective apparel; and fall protection equipment, such as confined space equipment, harnesses, lanyards, and self-retracting lifelines, as well as engineered systems. In addition, the company offers air-purifying respirators, eye and face protection products, ballistic helmets, and gas masks. It serves distributors and end-users through indirect and direct sales channels. The company offers its products under the V-Gard, Cairns, and Gallet brand names. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the MSA Safety Fourth Quarter and Full Year twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Larry De Maria. Operator00:00:31Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:33Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to MSA Safety's fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four earnings conference call. This is Larry De Maria, Executive Director of Investor Relations. I'm joined by Steve Blanco, President and CEO Lee Macheusny, Senior Vice President and CFO and Stephanie Sciullo, President of our Americas segment. During today's call, we'll discuss MFA fifty's fourth quarter and full year financial results along with our full year 2025 outlook. Speaker 100:00:58Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that the matters discussed during this call may include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements include, but are not limited to, both projections and anticipated levels of future performance. Forward looking statements involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. These risks, uncertainties and other factors are detailed in our SEC filings. MSA Safety undertakes no duty to publicly update any forward looking statements made on this call, except as required by law. Speaker 100:01:33We've included certain non GAAP financial measures as part of our discussion this morning. The non GAAP reconciliations are available in the appendix of today's presentation. The presentation and press release are available on our Investor Relations website at investors.msasafety.com. Moving on to today's agenda. First, Steve will highlight the importance of our mission and Friday business update from the fourth quarter and full year 2024. Speaker 100:01:56We will then review our financial performance in 2025 outlook. To conclude, Steve will outline our 2025 strategic priorities before providing closing comments. We will then open the call for your questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Steve Blanco. Steve? Speaker 200:02:12Thanks, Larry, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for your continued interest in MSA Safety. Starting on Slide four, 2024 marked MSA Safety's one hundred and tenth year as a purpose driven company. Over that time, we've remained dedicated to our mission that men and women may work in safety and that they, their families and their communities may live and help throughout the world. Today, we are better positioned than ever to help our customers solve their toughest safety challenges. Speaker 200:02:42As we move forward into 2025, we remain focused on fulfilling our mission and protecting the more than 40,000,000 workers around the world that place their trust in the MSA brand. I want to personally thank all of our associates for their continued commitment to our singular mission of safety. Before we get into our recent performance, I'd like to acknowledge and thank the more than fifteen thousand first responders, including our customers from the Los Angeles County and Los Angeles City Fire Departments, who have been heroically fighting to end the devastating fires in Southern California. As we've done with past disasters, MSA is partnering with the American Red Cross to help those directly impacted. And our team continues to monitor situation for additional opportunities to provide support. Speaker 200:03:32Now on Slide five to provide a business update on the quarter and full year. Our team executed well against the backdrop of a dynamic operating environment to conclude 2024. Financial results for the quarter were mixed as we achieved margin expansion through SG and A management, earnings growth and solid free cash flow generation despite sales growth that was lower than expectations. Sales were impacted by pockets of industrial market weakness and softer U. S. Speaker 200:04:03Fire service demand as well as foreign exchange headwinds. That said, overall demand was resilient across our product categories as evidenced by healthy order pace in the fourth quarter and we continue to see order momentum so far this quarter. Sequentially, backlog reduction was attributable to seasonal customer deliveries as well as the anticipated U. S. Air Force delivery. Speaker 200:04:28From a commercial perspective, we announced the award of a ten year thirty three million dollars breathing apparatus contract with the U. S. Coast Guard and delivered on the second tranche of the U. S. Air Force order. Speaker 200:04:39Additionally, we received our largest ever order for the MSA plus connected portables, which was a competitive win from a large energy customer in North America. We remain encouraged by our pipeline for connected devices in 2025, as we continue to meet our customers where they are on their connected journey. Moving now to our product categories, sales in fire service on a reported basis were up high single digits year over year, primarily due to double digit growth in SCBA, which benefited from positive impacts of shipping the final units of the U. S. Air Force order as well as strong performance in international markets. Speaker 200:05:18Sales and Detection were down low single digits year over year on a contraction in fixed gas and flame detection, primarily due to a challenging comp, partially offset by high single digit growth in portable gas detection, which continued to perform well across traditional and connected devices. Industrial PPE sales were down mid single digits for the year. We had low single digit growth in industrial head protection, offset by a low single digit decline in fall protection as well as double digit contraction in other PPE sales. From a full year perspective, net sales growth finished the year up 1% on a reported basis and 2% on an organic basis, compounding on top of the 17% reported growth we delivered in 2023. While top line growth was more modest than we originally anticipated, we remain encouraged by the positive long term trends in industrial safety technology, our innovation pipeline and the overall resiliency of the business. Speaker 200:06:20Strong operating leverage driven by resilient gross margins and SG and A management enabled adjusted operating margin expansion and 10% adjusted earnings growth. Turning to Slide six. At our Investor Day last May, we introduced our strategy, which we refer to as Accelerate, to deliver long term profitable growth, as well as 2028 financial targets. The progress we have made this year on advancing this strategy provides us with a strong foundation to build on in 2025 and beyond. And it reinforces our confidence and commitment to our 2028 financial targets. Speaker 200:06:58I'd like to take a few moments to highlight a few of the key accomplishments in 2024. First, we leverage our market leading innovation and new product development process, which includes a high focus on voice of customer to introduce innovative products and solutions across our categories. In Fire Service, we launched the new Karnes eighteen thirty six Fire Helmet and we completed work on our next generation G1 SCBA, which we recently submitted to the NFPA for its approval to the 2025 standard. In detection, we bolstered our fixed gas and flame detection portfolio with the release of the FL5000 multi spectrum IR flame detector. And in industrial PPE, we released our newest industrial head protection solution, the vGuard H2 Safety Helmet. Speaker 200:07:51Our team's ability to deliver innovative products and solutions across our portfolio reinforces our competitive and continued leadership in the premium safety solutions market. We also leaned into the implementation of our targeted growth accelerators. This included accelerating our customer solutions and recurring revenue through our MSA plus Connected Worker platform. Connected portables were our fastest growing category in 2024, and we expect further growth in 2025 via customer acquisitions, existing conversions of customers and additional product development. As an organization, we continue to apply the principles of the MSA business system to drive continuous improvement in all we do. Speaker 200:08:38We further deployed our broad operational excellence program with a strong focus on maximizing our customer experience and operating margin enhancement. Our goal remains to deliver productivity and sourcing savings, manage price and inflation, improve quality and deliver an exceptional customer experience. These initiatives are paying dividends and resonating within the organization, helping us drive continued expansion of gross and operating profit, while improving customer satisfaction. Finally, our strong financial profile and balance sheet enabled effective capital allocation through organic growth investments and the return of capital to shareholders in the form of dividends and share buybacks. In addition, we remain highly disciplined in our approach to M and A, and we continue to evaluate inorganic growth opportunities that meet our strategic and financial goals. Speaker 200:09:36With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Lee to walk us through the fourth quarter and full year '20 '20 '4 financial results in more detail and our 'twenty five outlook. Lee? Speaker 300:09:47Thank you, Steve, and good day, everyone. We appreciate you joining the call. Let's start on Slide seven with the quarterly financial highlights. Fourth quarter sales were $500,000,000 an increase of 1% on a reported basis and 2% organic over the prior year. Healthy growth in the fire service was partially offset by a low single digit contraction in detection and a mid single digit contraction in industrial PP and E. Speaker 300:10:14We had contributions from volume and pricing in the quarter and currency translation was a 1% headwind to overall growth. Order pace remained solid in the fourth quarter, up 14% year over year and second half orders are up 10% versus the same prior year period. While macro and geopolitical conditions remain dynamic, we continue to see mix, but generally resilient market conditions and retain an active new business pipeline. This system with normal seasonal patterns, our book to bill was slightly below one times and as we anticipated we reduced backlog following an increase in the third quarter. Backlog conversion was largely in fire service more specifically related to the G1 SCBA. Speaker 300:11:01Now moving on to margins. Gross profit in the fourth quarter was resilient at 46.9 percent, down 120 basis points over the prior year. Gross margin contraction was attributable to inflation and large project mix, which was partially offset by price and productivity programs. GAAP operating margin was 23.5% with adjusted operating margin of 24, up 70 basis points over the prior year and incremental operating margin of 113%. The margin increase was largely due to effective SG and A management and lower variable compensation expense, along with our sustained price inflation focus and continued productivity execution. Speaker 300:11:46Our laser focus on driving sustainable margin improvements continues to yield results. GAAP net income in the quarter totaled $88,000,000 or $2.22 per diluted share. On an adjusted basis, diluted earnings per share were $2.25 up 9% over the prior year. The increase was largely due to higher operating profit driven by sales growth and effective SG and A management, lower interest expense as a result of ongoing deleveraging and a lower year over year effective tax rate. Now I'd like to review our segment performance. Speaker 300:12:21In our Americas segment, sales increased 1% year over year on a reported basis, as growth in fire service was partially offset by contractions in detection and industrial PPE. Currency translation was a 2% headwind. Adjusted operating margin was 30.7%, up 90 basis points year over year. Margin expansion was largely driven by price realization, productivity and SG and A management. In our International segment, growth was flat year over year on both a reported and organic basis. Speaker 300:12:56Double digit growth in Fire Service was balanced with mid single digit contractions in Detection and Industrial PPE. Currency translation was relatively neutral in the quarter. And adjusted operating margin was 17.6%, a year over year decrease of 60 basis points due to inflationary pressures partially offset by price. Now moving on to Slide eight, where I'll review our full year 2024 results. Relatively broad based demand offset some pockets of weakness throughout the year, leading to total net sales of $1,800,000,000 up 1% reported and 2% organic compared to last year. Speaker 300:13:38Positive contributions from price were partially offset by modest FX pressure, primarily in Latin America. Both segments contributed low single digit growth. Gross profit margin was 47.6% in 2024, about flat year over year. Adjusted operating margin was 22.9%, up 70 basis points compared to the prior year. Incremental operating margins were 81%. Speaker 300:14:07Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $7.7 up 10% over the prior year. Our continued ability to generate capital efficient growth was evidenced by our 22.9% adjusted return on capital employed. Now turning to Slide nine. Free cash flow in the fourth quarter was 93,000,000 representing a conversion rate of 105%. Free cash flow was driven by higher earnings, backlog conversion and solid working capital execution with an improvement of working capital efficiency of 70 basis points year over year. Speaker 300:14:45With that said, we did finish the year slightly below our target levels tied to the sales shortfall and balance sheet hedging programs. We invested $14,000,000 in CapEx, repaid $43,000,000 in debt and returned $20,000,000 in dividends to shareholders and repurchased $10,000,000 of shares. For the full year, free cash flow was $242,000,000 compared to $397,000,000 in the prior year, which was adjusted for the divestiture of MSA LLC completed in January of twenty twenty three. Full year conversion rate of 80% was below our targeted levels, primarily due to working capital and higher cash compensation and tax payments related to our strong performance in 2023. Now during 2024, we invested $54,000,000 in CapEx, repaid $94,000,000 of debt, returned $79,000,000 in dividends to shareholders and repurchased $30,000,000 of shares. Speaker 300:15:45Net debt at the end of the year was $343,000,000 including cash of $165,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the full year was $469,000,000 or 26% of sales. We strengthened our financial position in 2024, ending the year with significant liquidity and net leverage of 0.7 times. Our overall financial strength provides us with ample liquidity, enables our balanced capital deployment strategy and continued investments in growth. Through the continued implementation of MSA business system, we made great progress this year reducing our backlog to normalized levels and lowering backorders. This has had meaningful benefits, including improved delivery times and fill rates, as well as greater productivity measures and reduce working capital. Speaker 300:16:36And while we're still in the early innings of implementing our business system, it has been very rewarding to see these projects come to life across the globe. I'm now on to Slide 10. Before turning to our 2025 outlook, I wanted to take a minute to reflect on our financial performance trends. At a high level, our resiliency is reflected in the organic growth, incremental margins and our improved balance sheet. As I look towards our 2028 goals, we can look at the last three years as a baseline to why we remain optimistic even with a dynamic 2025 upon us. Speaker 300:17:14Let's turn to our 2025 outlook on Slide 11. We've taken a balanced approach in our outlook based on the positive long term dynamics inherent in our industry that underpin demand. The essential nature of our differentiated products and solutions, and the stability and diversity of our portfolio and end markets. However, the operating environment will be dynamic with continued uncertain macroeconomic and geopolitical climate. Additionally, we've noticed since our May 2024 Investor Day, we have challenging comps to the delivery of the U. Speaker 300:17:50S. Air Force orders and incremental backlog conversion in 2024. Overall, fire service remains healthy and we have confidence in our strategy to navigate the upcoming North America and FPA standard change for fire service, Though there could be some timing dynamics throughout the year. With this backdrop, we remain cautiously optimistic in our outlook, which balances the opportunities and risks we see ahead of us, as well as the resilient nature of our business. We expect to generate low single digit organic sales growth in 2025, which would be in our normal mid single digit range if not for the comparison headwinds I just mentioned. Speaker 300:18:34Finally, I would also note that our sales cadence in 2025 will be in line with historical trends. For modeling purposes, I will also provide some below the line drivers that impact the results. We expect our tax rate to be between 2425% in 2025. And based on current rates, interest expense is expected to be approximately $24,000,000 to $27,000,000 We expect pension and other non operating income to be $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 higher than 2024 levels. In addition, while we expect organic sales growth to be up low single digits, certainly current foreign exchange rates imply a further headwind to reported sales. Speaker 300:19:16We are not immune to external factors that could impact our top and bottom line, but we will continue to be agile in the event of the operating environment differing meaningfully from our expectations. For example, while we do not include tariffs in our outlook, we stand ready to navigate any potential impact we see. Finally, I'd like to share my gratitude to our global team for their solid execution and operating performance in 2024. We are well positioned entering '25 and we will continue to be fully focused on executing our accelerated strategy, delivering on our financial commitments and creating sustainable value for our shareholders. Now, I'd like to turn the call back to Steve and he can outline the key areas of focus for 2025. Speaker 200:20:04Thanks, Lee. And I'm on Slide 12. As I look ahead into 2025, our team around the world continues to maintain their focus on serving our mission and executing our strategy while controlling what we can control. Our 2025 initiative strongly emphasized growth and extending our leadership position in safety technology through innovation, implementing the MSA business system and delivering continued improvements in operations and maintaining our disciplined approach to capital allocation. On Slide 13, overall, we executed well in what we see as a dynamic environment in 2024, attribute to the team's focus on serving that mission and the inherent resiliency of our business. Speaker 200:20:47As we turn to '25, we remain focused on driving profitable growth and building on the foundational work we completed in 2024 for our Accelerate strategy. I'm confident our focus and determination will help drive long term value creation for our shareholders and continue to make MSA safety the preferred choice for our customers around the world. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for Q and A. Operator00:21:15Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And your first question today will come from Ross Sperinblick with William Blair. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:21:47Hey, good morning gentlemen. Speaker 200:21:49Good morning, Ross. Speaker 400:21:51Steve, you called out firming orders in your commentary there. Can you maybe just help us size the cadence as we move through the quarter and into January? And maybe just frame some of the puts and takes as we think about the growth expectations throughout 2025? Speaker 200:22:05Yes. For you mean the order pace we've seen thus far, Russ? Speaker 400:22:08Exactly. Yes. Speaker 200:22:11Yes. So if we looked at the overall fourth quarter, we started out, we would say, where we hope to be in fourth quarter. December was lighter than we anticipated. A lot of that industrial wise, slower December than we thought. And I think it fit that thesis of that shopping us in industrial, which our distributors kind of shared with us as well. Speaker 200:22:37So we weren't seeing what we thought maybe in December, but as we looked into year to date thus far, it's been a really solid start across the board, especially in our Detection business. Fire service has been good. So as we look at it, overall, I think we look at the 25 story, the incoming and the pipeline really matching up with what we anticipated. As we talked even back to Investor Day, I think it fits really well with what we initially thought strategically we'd focus on and how we've kind of moved forward into the detection space and fall protection is clearly a category as well. So, so far, I'd say the order pace is just as we hoped it would be and the pipeline is the same. Speaker 400:23:27Okay. I mean, with the coming NFPA standard change, I mean, do you get the sense that there's been any deferred ordering in anticipation of the new product launches? Speaker 200:23:36Yes, that's a good question too. So, this first, the fire service business continues to be resilient and the pipeline is good. I would say that the pace of ordering wasn't to the level we anticipated as we ended the year. We had the fire service, the Air Force order, which was nice, but we actually expected it to be a little stronger. Now, again, we're not seeing any competitive accounts take those orders from us, but a slower pace. Speaker 200:24:03As we look into 2025, we are cautious because of the NFPA standard change in the latter part of the year that promulgates probably early twenty six. But I think we're really well positioned. Our team's done a nice job really talking to the customer base on who will potentially wait and who won't. And in our view, we got a pretty good base of business that won't wait, but there certainly are customers that are going to consider, hey, I want to wait and see what the new standard does. Speaker 400:24:33Okay. That's very helpful. And just one more for me. You also referenced a large MSA Plus order. Excuse me if I missed it. Speaker 400:24:40Was this a new or existing customer? Just like to better understand some of the competitive dynamics and moving into the marketplace? Speaker 200:24:48Yes. Thanks for the question. So this was a competitive conversion, a large customer in North America, great competitive conversion where we competed against all of the primary competitors you might expect and the team did a fantastic job. Speaker 400:25:05That's great to hear. All right. I'll jump back in queue. Thanks guys. Speaker 200:25:08Thanks Ross. Operator00:25:11Your next question today will come from Saree Boroditsky with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:25:17Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just focusing a little bit on the margins, America margins exiting the year at almost 31%. How does this set you up as you think about the margin potential heading into 2025? Speaker 300:25:31Yes. So good morning. Well, I'd probably bring you back to our goal each year is to target 30 to 50 basis points of improvement. That's certainly what we're going to do each year. I would say when we think about '25 that will be a bit harder. Speaker 300:25:49Certainly FX is out there. I've said this a number of times, we go after that type of improvement and if something goes wrong, you've got something to combat it. So, I mean, right now, I'm not going to get into the game with predicting FX, but we certainly know it's if I look at the rates today, it's at least a point and times even in the last few weeks has been more than that. But I still think for the year, we're looking to move the margins up and it's going to be more in the gross margin area than in the SG and A area as we think about our outlook for 2025. Speaker 500:26:23That's helpful. Then maybe switching to international, a similar question. Can you just talk through the variability in international margins as we head into 2025? How do you think about the step down into the first quarter sequentially and then how should margins trend through the remainder of the year? Speaker 300:26:38Yes, good question. I think for international, but also just for the entire portfolio, there's definitely a step down in 1Q just simply because of volume leverage. And that's how we see it. We made a comment about just the outlook for the year. You're going to see a more normal seasonal pattern in our sales. Speaker 300:26:57The last couple of years, you've had some anomalies because of large orders or backlogs and things like that. But there is a variability in international. It doesn't have the same market position or market dynamics that we do in North America. But we are working on the same things. We're working on productivity, launching NPD. Speaker 300:27:19We certainly have done restructuring over time to attack our cost base. And I think it's more of a long term play. I There are structural differences between the international markets in North America, so there'll be a difference. But certainly, we have this margin objectives, we're going after it across the globe, Sri. Speaker 500:27:41I appreciate that. And then just one more, you mentioned just the normal seasonality for the year, but if I just kind of focus on Americas and Fire Service, just talk about how you're thinking about the cadence to the Fire Service sales given the challenging comp in the fourth quarter? Speaker 300:27:55Yes, sure. Yes, so I'll give you a couple dynamics to think about. So we're talking about low single digit organic growth as our target for the year. It's certainly when I say you have a normal seasonal pattern, that's always going to again have that lower first quarter, a little bit step up in the second quarter and there's a larger back half. Typically, our sales overall are probably about 47% to 48% in the first half of the year and the remainder is in the back half. Speaker 300:28:24So when you drop that in into 2025, that's going to give you just a different view because in the first half of twenty twenty four, we had Air Force, we also had a kind of our final rundown of extra backlog. In Fire overall, as we share, we think for the year, it will be a negative growth year because of those comps. And certainly the harder comp is in the first half of the year versus the second half. And I'll just add to that because beyond that, we've talked about that since May. We still have our focus on detection being our leading pro segment. Speaker 300:29:03That's still our view for 2025 as well. And then industrial PP certainly default protections are focused to get that into a positive as well in 2025. Speaker 500:29:13I appreciate the color. Thanks so much. Operator00:29:22And your next question today will come from Jeff Van Sinderen with B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:29:29Good morning, everyone. You touched a little bit about this on your prepared comments, but wondering if you can speak a little bit more about what you're doing in terms of product innovation in 'twenty five and I guess even into 'twenty six. And then could some of those innovation initiatives create demand for replacements and upgrades in the Detection segment? Just curious about what you're seeing there. Speaker 200:29:54Yes. Thanks for the question. So I mean, broadly speaking, as you know and we talked a bit about this in the prepared comments, but innovation is where we lead and it helps us differentiate who we are in the marketplace. We spend a lot of time with our customers, a lot of VOC or voice of customer activity to inform us and gain the insights to really come up with solutions to the challenges they identify. So I would look at '25 and '26. Speaker 200:30:22You know '25, you think about what we talked with fire service. We've taken advantage of this switch to enhance the G1, specifically with what we see as the next generation G1 that we'll showcase at this year's FDIC. And that's focused on optimizing comfort, functionality, ergonomics, etcetera. And then if you lean in the detection space a little bit more, I think what's really good for us and I'll talk about this in two categories because we see detection as the fixed monitoring and then we look at the portable side of this. So if you look at the portable side of this business, we really are leaning into the connected platform a lot. Speaker 200:31:04We have the IO4. We also have a robust plan of product software updates and cloud capabilities that will continue to roll out throughout 2025 and beyond. So you'll see some of that show up this year. Certainly, that does have that's part of our strategic initiative set of the Accelerate strategy we talked about in May that's coming to fruition and should see some really nice benefits. A lot of that might be the latter half of the year as far as when you see the revenue side of that, but really good progress there. Speaker 200:31:37And in the fixed side, that fixed monitoring space, it's a really strong business, great diversity in the portfolio. And we've got an expanded solution set because of our HVAC refrigeration and automation and that came through Bacharach, came through the SNC acquisition. That adds to the strong base in energy that we already have, including clean, including the best storage space where we play in and that strong installed base. So I think when we think of detection, it's really fitting out or filling out really well with what we expected and it's going to be a key growth driver into the future. Speaker 600:32:19Okay, terrific. And then just wanted to follow-up a little bit on the new NFPA standard changes this year. As you think about that, what do you feel needs to happen for that business to normalize under the new standard? And then I guess, I know this is a tough question, but how do you see sort of the timeframe of that playing out? Speaker 200:32:42Well, these standards come out usually every five to six years. So this is something that's not new. So we do have a lot of experience with this. Typically, what you see is you see customers evaluate where they're at in the buying cycle and a lot of customers can't wait. And then they also evaluate what's changing in the standard and how do they view that relative to the needs they have as a specific department. Speaker 200:33:08So the 25 standard, which the timing is really up to the NFPA when they get through all of the approval processes. They have to do all the testing. We've submitted our platform and certainly our competitors we think are doing the same. But they have to go through all of that process and then they validate those different platforms for approval. And we would expect that to promulgate probably early twenty six. Speaker 200:33:35Again, we don't know the timing exactly, but that would be likely. But if you look at that standard, the changes on it relative to typical standard changes are fairly minor. They're not significant in nature. So that's kind of the thoughts our team has. There certainly will be customers that wait. Speaker 200:33:54We expect that to happen. There always are, but it's a fairly normalized standard change in our view. And we did as I said, I think we look at our G1 platform, which we launched in 2014 and we've continued to enhance that for our customers. So including the 2018 standard, we've made each or taken advantage of each standard change opportunity to really upgrade that. But this latest enhancement for the G1 and what we've done on the next gen, we think the timing is perfect. Speaker 200:34:25So next year when it promulgates, this '25 standard will be twelve years out from that first twenty fourteen G1, perfect timing for those first units to come back up. So we feel really good as we go into the future on this. '25 is going to be a little choppy. The comp for Air Force and certainly the standard change, but we think we're well prepared. Speaker 600:34:48Good to hear. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:34:52You bet. Thanks for the questions. Operator00:34:55This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Larry De Maria for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:35:03Thank you. We appreciate you joining the call this morning and for your continued interest in MSA Safety. If you missed a portion of today's call, an audio replay will be made available later today on our Investor Relations website and will be available for the next ninety days. We look forward to updating you on our continued progress again next quarter. Operator00:35:22The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by