DexCom Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Thank you for standing-by my name is Abby, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the DexCom Inc. 4th-Quarter 2024 Earnings Release Conference Call. All lines have been placed on-mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number-one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press Star-1 again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Sean Christensen, VP of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go-ahead.

Sean Christensen
Vice President, Finance & Investor Relations at DexCom

Thank you, Abby, and welcome to DexCom's 4th-quarter and fiscal year 2024 earnings call. Our agenda begins with Kevin Sayer, DexCom's Chairman, President and CEO, who will summarize our recent highlights and ongoing strategic initiatives, followed by a financial review and outlook from Jeremy Sylvain, our Chief Financial Officer. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call up for your questions. At that time, we ask analysts to limit themselves to one question each, so we can provide an opportunity for everyone participating today. Please note that there are also slides available related to our 4th-quarter and fiscal year 2024 performance on the DexCom Investor Relations website on the Events and Presentations page. With that, let's review our Safe-Harbor statement. Some of the statements we will make on today's call may constitute forward-looking statements. These statements reflect management's intentions, beliefs and expectations about future events, strategies, competition, products, operating plans and performance. All forward-looking statements included on this call are made as of the date hereof based on information currently available to DexCom are subject to various risks and uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from those anticipated in the forward-looking statements. The factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by any of these forward-looking statements are detailed in DexCom's annual report on Form 10-K, most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Except as required by-law, we assume no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements after the date of this call or to conform these forward-looking statements to actual results. Additionally, during the call, we will discuss certain financial measures that have not been prepared in accordance with GAAP. Unless otherwise noted, all references to financial measures on this call are presented on a non-GAAP basis. This non-GAAP information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results or superior to results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Please refer to the tables in our earnings release and the slides accompanying our 4th-quarter and fiscal year 2024 earnings call for reconciliation of these measures to their most directly-comparable GAAP financial measure. Now, I will turn it over to Kevin.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

Thank you, Sean, and thank you, everyone, for joining us. Today, we reported 4th-quarter organic revenue growth of 8% compared to the 4th-quarter of 2023. This brought our full-year organic revenue growth to 12%, which was in-line with our latest 2024 guidance. 2024 was a year of strategic investment for Dexcom. And through these investments, we believe we enter 2025 in a stronger position to capitalize on our next wave of growth. To recap, over the past year, we broadened our commercial reach, launched new products that defined a category, built greater scale and advanced CGM reimbursement globally. Through this work, we continue to lead the biosensing market and have positioned ourselves to impact millions of more lives around the world. We ended 2024 with more than 2.8 million customers globally on our G-Series and D-Series products as demand for DexCom CGM remains high. This represents an increase of approximately 25% to our global active customer-base compared to 2023. This increase in customers was driven by momentum both in the category and through our improving execution in the field, which we're very excited about. This was evident in the US where our sales force productivity metrics showed improvement in the 4th-quarter. We have now grown our US prescriber base by more than 50,000 over the past year. Through these new relationships, we've successfully broadened our presence within primary-care and made early inroads with emerging CGM care points like maternal-fetal medicine. Importantly, across this growing physician base, we are also seeing prescribing depth improve. It often takes only a single DexCom experience for physicians to recognize the potential to deliver better care with DexCom CGM. As these new physicians now expand their use of DexCom CGM across their practices, we've seen the impact to our new patient performance build from the strong 3rd-quarter finish that we described on our last call. This helped us achieve another quarter of record new customer starts. As discussed earlier in the year, we knew that the opportunity ahead was tremendous when expanding the US sales force. With this focus on execution, we look to build upon our momentum in 2025 as we further cultivate these relationships and connect with the next leg of CGM prescribers. Our team is also helping many of these physicians navigate the evolving coverage landscape within diabetes care. In the past two years alone, reimbursement for CGM has significantly expanded as we've helped establish our clinical value well beyond insulin management. As many of you remember, a key milestone on this journey was the publication of our mobile randomized controlled trial, which demonstrated significantly improved outcomes beyond intensive insulin use. This data prompted clinical societies to update their standards of care and quickly led to widespread reimbursement for anyone on basal insulin. We are now seeing similar evidence build around the benefits of CGM regardless of where someone is in their diabetes journey. In fact, some data has shown even greater health outcomes for those not on insulin as CGM is providing them real-time feedback on lifestyle decisions for the first time. There is also a growing economic argument for incorporating CGM earlier into care plans as this has been shown to reduce hospitalizations, specialty visits and utilization of healthcare resources. As this comprehensive body of evidence continues to grow, payers have started to act. We recently shared that as of January 2025, two of the three largest PBMs now cover DexCom CGM for anybody with diabetes. With these national formularies leading away by the end-of-the year, DexCom will have coverage for more than 5 million people with type-2 diabetes who are not on insulin in the US. For context, this is even larger than the Type 2 basal reimbursement that came less than two years ago. And yet this only represents around 20% of the 25 million type-2 non-insulin lives with diabetes in the US. In 2025, we will be actively pursuing coverage for the remaining 20 million lives. To strengthen our case even more, we recently-announced that we initiated a randomized controlled trial for people with type-2 diabetes who are not on insulin and expect to complete enrollment soon. As we advance this important work to further expand coverage in the US, we have already significantly broadened access to DexCom technology with the launch of our over-the-counter product, STELLO. In-line with our mission to empower people to take control of health, this product has allowed us to reach many more people. As we said at the JP Morgan Conference last month, more than 140,000 people wore Stello in the first four months of the launch with demand spanning across the Type 2 diabetes, pre-diabetes and health and wellness populations. Importantly, regardless of where-is in their metabolic health journey, we're quickly enhancing Stello to make it more personalized and drive greater engagement across our platform. Key to this will be DexCom's proprietary generative AI technology, which was recently launched in its initial feature in STELLO and will become a key source of personalized content as we expand its functionality over-time. We're also building on the STELLO experience through targeted partnerships that will consolidate multiple biomarkers into our platform. This includes our recently-announced relationship with Aura, which will integrate DexCom glucose data with vital sign, sleep, stress, heart health and activity data from the Aura Ring to provide an even broader picture of health for our mutual customers. Overall, we've been thrilled by customer demand for in these initial months, and we're excited to build-on this momentum as we enter 2025. We see an opportunity to further elevate the STELA brand this year through product iteration, broad awareness campaigns and new distribution channels. This will include upcoming introduction on the Amazon storefront, which we expect to be live in the coming weeks. Finally, we ended the year-on a high note across our international business. We have spoken time-and-time again about the importance of building greater access and our most recent international coverage wins have again served as a nice catalyst for our business. Most notably, early in the 4th-quarter, we finalized basal coverage for our Dexcom OnePlus system in France and saw strong demand in the first-quarter of its implementation. France is another great example of our ability to leverage our product portfolio to match the needs of each customer and reimbursement system. It has also proven to be on the forefront of type-2 CGM coverage as one of the only two international markets with broad-basal coverage today. In fact, across many of our markets, even type-2 intensive coverage is in much earlier stages, overseeing interest and reimbursement steadily build. As it does, we believe we're better-positioned than at any time in our company's history to participate and lead growth in this category. As we look-forward to 2025, there is a lot for us to be excited about. We remain in a unique position to help pioneer a fast-growing industry that has significant potential to broaden its impact. With that, I'll turn it over to Jeremy.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Thank you, Kevin. As a reminder, unless otherwise noted, the financial measures presented today will be discussed on a non-GAAP basis. Reconciliations to GAAP can be found in today's earnings release as well as the slide deck on our IR website. For the 4th-quarter of 2024, we reported worldwide revenue of $1.11 billion compared to $1.03 billion for the 4th-quarter of 2023, representing growth of 8% on both a reported basis and organic basis. As a reminder, our definition of organic revenue excludes the impact of foreign-exchange, in addition to non-CGM revenue acquired or divested in the trailing-12 months. US revenue totaled $803 million for the 4th-quarter compared to $769 million for the 4th-quarter of 2023, representing an increase of 4%. As Kevin mentioned, new customer demand has steadily built over the past two quarters as our sales force productivity metrics continued to improve. Rebate eligibility again negatively impacted our US growth rate by several points in Q4, but we expect this impact to step-down in the first-quarter and then be minimal over the course of 2025. In the DME channel, our share remained stable during the 4th-quarter, in-line with our expectations based on the strengthening performance of our sales team. While channel mix again had the largest year-over-year impact to our revenue per customer in Q4, recent DME share trends should help this impact moderate over the course of 2025. International revenue grew 17%, totaling $311 million in the 4th-quarter. International organic revenue growth was 19% for the 4th-quarter. Our international business accelerated for the second-quarter in a row as new access wins and the expanded availability of G7 and DexCom OnePlus generated higher demand in many key markets. In addition to France, another nice win came in New Zealand where we unlocked broader type 1 coverage and saw a similar uptick in-demand. These are great examples of how each market is unique and at different stages of reimbursement development. As Kevin mentioned, we still see a long runway ahead to build much greater global access even within our existing markets. Our 4th-quarter gross profit was $661.2 million or 59.4% of revenue compared to 64.2% of revenue in the 4th-quarter of 2023. During the 4th-quarter, our gross margin was negatively impacted by a $21 million non-cash charge. The majority of this was related to inventory that our quality management system identified as being mishandled by one of our shipping partners. The remainder of this charge is related to new-build configurations that lowered our production yield in the quarter. As a result of these disruptions, we are currently managing channel inventory tightly for the next few weeks. Our facilities are running at full capacity to rebuild optimal supply for our distribution partners, and we expect to have these levels back to normal by the end-of-the first-quarter. This is why we have made the investment in capacity to manage through growth and scale opportunities. Operating expenses were $451.7 million for Q4 of 2024 compared to $421.1 million in Q4 of 2023. Operating income was $209.5 million or 18.8% of revenue in the 4th-quarter of 2024 compared to $242.7 million or 23.5% of revenue in the same quarter of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA was $300.1 million or 27.0% of revenue for the 4th-quarter compared to $321.5 million or 31.1% of revenue for the 4th-quarter of 2023. Net income for the 4th-quarter was $177.8 million or $0.45 per share. We remain in a great financial position, closing the quarter with approximately $2.6 billion of cash-and-cash equivalents. This provides us significant flexibility to both support our organic growth opportunities and assess strategic uses of capital on an ongoing basis. Turning to 2025 guidance. As we stated last month, we anticipate total revenue to be $4.6 billion, representing growth of 14% for the year. This guidance assumes continued strong category growth, steady DME share, new access wins internationally, broader distribution for and several product advancements across our platform. We also expect to see US revenue and volume growth converging as the year progresses as we lap some of the unique rebate and channel dynamics discussed earlier. From a margin perspective, we expect full-year non-GAAP gross profit margin to be in a range of 64% to 65%. Non-GAAP operating profit margin to be approximately 21% and adjusted EBITDA of approximately 30%. Our guidance assumes gross margins will improve at least 200 basis-points in 2025 as we convert more of our installed-base to G7 and drive greater scale at our high-volume manufacturing facilities. It also assumes a second-half launch of our 15-day G7 system, which we expect to provide greater gross margin leverage beyond 2025 as we convert more of our installed-base to the 15-day system. With that, we can open up the call for Q&A. Sean?

Sean Christensen
Vice President, Finance & Investor Relations at DexCom

Thank you, Jeremy. In addition to Kevin and Jeremy, we will also have Jake Leach, our Chief Operating Officer, joining us for our question-and-answer session. As a reminder, we ask our audience to limit themselves to only one question at this time and then re-enter the queue if necessary. Abby, please provide the Q&A instructions.

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin our question-and-answer session. If you have dialed-in and would like to ask a question, please press followed by the number-one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press Star-1 again. We kindly ask everyone to limit themselves to one question and come back to join the queue for follow-up. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. And our first question comes from the line of Larry Biegelsen with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Larry Biegelsen
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Kevin, I wanted to start with the issues you identified on the Q2 call, the sales force issue and the DME issues. And Jeremy gave some color in his prepared remarks, but I'd love to hear a little bit more from you on the status of each. It sounds like your share in the DME channel has stabilized. So how are you thinking about those issues that negatively impacted '24 in '25. Thanks for taking the questions.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

You bet, Larry. We've made great progress on those issues since we talked about them in the second-quarter. We worked very hard with our DME partners to identify opportunities to improve and to grow. We've also worked with our sales team to make sure we consider all channels across all markets and have that dual benefit offered where we can. With respect to the US sales force, what we've seen is this group that we brought on-board has now become more productive. I mentioned earlier that we've added 50,000 prescribers over the course of the year. And what we're seeing now, when we initially expanded that group, we saw the prescriptions per healthcare professional come down. That number has come back up even though they call -- they're calling on more healthcare professionals now. So we're seeing more productivity per prescriber even as we add more prescribers. So that group is doing what we asked them to. And I think that's really supported by the fact that we've had record new starts each in the last two quarters. So both those things are going very well for us right now.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Jeff Johnson with Baird. Your line is open.

Jeff Johnson
Analyst at Robert W. Baird

Thank you. Good afternoon, guys. Jeremy, you talked on the call about narrowing that kind of volume versus revenue gap in the US that has been pretty wide here in the last couple of quarters. I mean, if I just put some numbers on it, it seems like in the 4th-quarter, that gap was maybe 16 points, 17 points. Again, I don't have the perfect volume estimates in my number, but 16 or 17 points, that's down from maybe 20 21 points, something like that in the 3rd-quarter. Where do you think that goes? You said it falls off in the 1Q. Does it fall to low-double-digits, just that kind of volume versus revenue gap in the US? And then as it further converges throughout the year, can you get that back into the single-digits, into the mid-single digits? Just conceptually help us understand how to think about that gap between those US volumes and the US revenue growth? Thank you.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Sure, yeah. And thanks for the question. It will certainly converge and we talked -- as we walk-through it, I'll try to walk-through it in the cadence over the course of the year. So certainly, as we lap the rebate dynamic here in the first-quarter, that will start to converge a little bit here in the second-quarter. As you start to then compare year-over-year channels as we start to get those channel stability, you'll start to see that converge as you move into the third and the 4th-quarter. I mean as we get to the tail-end of the year. And so the amount that you would expect to see it come in, it starts to get much, much closer to the numbers that you quoted. We haven't given a specific number. But what we would say is the delta between volume and price, we've talked about our patient base being about 25% higher exiting the year. You've seen our growth numbers at 14% essentially as guide. And if you exclude STELLO from that, it's more like 12%. So you can already see implied there that the numbers are coming in if you just assume that the patient base continues to grow into next year. So you're already seeing it. I'd expect similar gaps as you see us exiting Q4 as we lap the rebate channel in 1Q, but you're going to start to see that coming in more-and-more over the course of the year. We don't have a number specifically to give you at this point, but you're right, it will start to come in closer and closer, especially as we exit 2025.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robbie Marcus with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Robbie Marcus
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Oh, great. Thanks for taking the question. Jeremy, maybe just to follow-up on that. There's a lot of considerations on both the top-line and down the P&L between 15-day sensor lapping of some of the headwinds on pricing. How should we think about cadence through the year? Obviously, the math points to a much stronger second-half on a growth rate basis. But how should we think about cadence through the year and particularly first-quarter as we set-up expectations here. Thanks a lot.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yes. Sure. Yeah. And as you think about the first -- I'll start with the first-quarter and then we can get to the year. We talked a little bit about this at your conference actually, Robbie, about how the first-quarter is going to look a little bit, I don't know, similar to where our historical sequential patterns have taken us. So if you look at our best sequential Q1 relative to Q4 in the past few years, it was about a 9% sequential decline. We talked about JPMorgan being about an 8% to 9% sequential decline. So it actually looks a little bit better in terms of seasonality here into Q1, and we'd expect it to do that. Nothing has changed. That was our guidance. We'd still expect that. And then typical seasonality over the course of the year, it should look relatively similar. I say that knowing full well that one percentage point in a split, if you will, can create a few different points of growth. But what I would say is there's going to be a relative stable cadence of improvement over the course of the year. Obviously, the comps in the back-half of the year make it a little bit easier. So you would imply that. But in terms of just thinking about how you progress through the course of the year, dollar-wise, the progress through the course of the year dollar-wise should look pretty good and consistent with, I'd say, more normal years. Last year was a bit of a unique year for us. So that will help you get cadence from that perspective. In terms of gross margin, typically from Q4 to-Q1, we step-back a couple of hundred basis-points. And this quarter, we talked about Q4 being a little bit burdened by some one-time charges. We've quantified those. I would expect there to be a little bit of a step-back from Q4 to-Q1. If you adjust for those one-time items, it means Q1 will be a little bit ahead of Q4 if you don't adjust for those items. Moving up over the course of the year. We've got to move through some of the Q1 dynamics as we move forward, which is going to include certainly working through some of the yields and improvements, which you talked about in Q4. We'll work-through a little bit of that in Q1. But as you move into the rest of the year, based on the volumes that we're moving through our Malaysia facility and really through our entire facilities, you're going to see that continue to improve and we have clear line-of-sight to our standard costs and what those margins look like, like really looking good as we exit the year. So this is a year where you're going to see a lot of the benefit of scale really drive that margin. You'll see a little bit of a benefit in the back-half of the year from 15-day as well. But the big driver is going to be even without 15-day. You're seeing us the scale and volume that's running to our facilities will certainly make that back of the half of the year look pretty good on a margin basis.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Daniel Antalfi with UBS. Your line is open.

Danielle Antalffy
Analyst at UBS Group

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks so much for taking the question. Congrats on a strong end to the -- excuse me here. I just wanted to follow-up on the comment around some of the type-2 coverage. I think two of the three largest PBMs are now covering for non-insulin using type-2. And Jeremy, maybe this question is for you and how to think about I appreciate what you're saying for 2025 and as far as revenue growth converging with volume growth. But as more of these non-insulin using type-2 patients come online. How should we think about that? So I guess this is more over the next few years? And will that diverge again before it reconverges? Or how do we think about that given that this is a less intensive patient population? And just trying to get a sense of what you guys are seeing from a pricing perspective from those? Thanks so much.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah, it's a good question. So maybe I can put some clarity there. So the unit economics of each purchase is actually similar across it. We don't necessarily have a different purchase price for a month of sensors between one disease state or another. So Type 1 and type-2 non-insulin using generally is at the same price point in our contracts. So from that perspective, profitability-wise, you shouldn't see any impact there. Now I think in the models, the one thing you will have to be mindful of is when you look at a PMPY basis, our type-2 users typically don't use the product as often. They can go a weekend without it. There's lower retention utilization. Similar to what we disclosed at JPMorgan Conference where we had our persistence and use of product there. So I think from a modeling perspective, profitability-wise, I don't think you make any changes there. From a revenue per patient and just through your modeling on a per year basis. I think you have to make those changes. And I think we've given the retention utilization data and that's up on the website. So that will be easy to at least model as you're moving through there. But good news there is, I think you're kind of implying, hey, is there an impact on gross margin, operating margin there isn't.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

No, Daniel, I'd just add to that. When we have coverage with these type-2 patients, our retention and utilization rates are actually quite high. It's not like it's a one month and you're done. These patients that this product is reimbursed, we know they stay on it because they have such good outcomes. So while the model may be slightly different in a reimbursed world, it's still very strong. There's very good utilization, very good patient retention.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Travis Steed with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Travis Steed
Analyst at Bank of America

Hey, thanks for the question and congrats. Just wanted to ask on the G715 day. I know you don't usually comment, but wanted to see how the process the FDA is going. I guess the question is really like what's given you the confidence to still say second-half launch here? And once you get that approval, how should we think about that process rolling out a couple of quarters before the patient base is kind of fully converted? Got it. Take that?

Jacob Leach
Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer at DexCom

Yeah. Thanks, Travis. This is Jake. The -- yeah, the 15-day review, right, we mentioned that we submitted it on the last call. So we're basically towards the tail-end of that review. We've had a great interactive, you know review with the FDA. We feel like we're right at the tail-end because we basically have answered all the questions that they've asked us. And as we do have the confidence that we're going to see an approval here shortly. We -- as you kind of transition over to once we have approval, we do expect to launch that product in the second-half of this year. Really, it's about securing coverage or we want to get 15-day product out as fast as possible, but we are mindful of user experience. We got to make sure we've got coverage in-place and we have to be mindful of our pump integrations as we launch this 15-day product. So that's why we expect approval here shortly, but we'll get it out here in the second -- second-half of the year. We're also looking-forward to presenting the 15-day clinical data at ATTD next month-in Europe. So that will be one of our lead investigators from that clinical trial is actually presenting the data. So we look-forward to sharing that with all of you next month.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Wensch with Citibank. Your line is open.

Joanne Wuensch
Analyst at Citibank

Thank you very much for taking the questions. Briefly, what does it take to get the 15-day integrated with the pumps? Is that a difficult process? And I'm going to also ask, I think they have heard or saw on a slide G8. Is there anything you can tell us about that? Thank you.

Jacob Leach
Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer at DexCom

Sure. Yes. So the good news is pump integration with the 15-day sensor, we thought about that as we were doing the original G7 integrations. So it is a much smaller lift than, for example, the difference between integrating -- as we moved it from G6 to G7, that was quite a big lift for our partners in terms of security interfaces and the Bluetooth interface. But as we look at the 15-day, there's a -- most of it stays exactly the same the pump basically interrogates the sensor and the sensor tells it's a 15 day. There is a little bit -- once we get approval, a little bit our pump partners have to do on validations, but we do anticipate it to be quite quick in terms of the integration with 15-day across our pump partner base. So we'll be mindful as soon as they get those done, we'll be pushing the product out harder into the channels, but that's part of it. And then your question about G8 is, we are very actively in the development process on G8. It will be our next hardware platform that we'll use across our portfolio of products. I won't get-in all the details, but a couple of highlights are it's a smaller wearable with even more capability built into it and we're looking towards compatibility with pumps much closer to launch of that product. We've learned a lot through our G7 integrations. And so we're very excited about the progress on G8. It also has a capability built into it.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

Yeah, I'd just add to that. We look at G8 also as a series of innovations. You know, the jump from G6 to G7, we learned a lot because we changed pretty much everything. We're going to do this more step-wise and we'll have literally a series of features leading to that configuration. Jay is talking about where you get to somewhere down the road. So we're looking-forward to revealing more about this product platform as time goes on.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Matt Taylor with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Matt Taylor
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Hi, guys. Thank you for taking the question. I did want to ask one about the expanding coverage in terms of the PBMs now covering these lives and also thinking through to hopefully next year or the year-after getting the non-intensive type-2 coverage. But I was just want to understand how you think about the additional lives being covered as a driver this year. Do you expect that group to show in the numbers? Is that contemplated in your guidance? And if you play through the study, when do you think you'll actually get more of an uptake in that non-insulin type-2 population?

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Matt. I can take that. You know the expectation, we've included it in our guidance some. Now there's all sorts of levels of uptake. And as you can imagine, every model has the ups and downs associated with it. We're really bullish on the long-term nature of it. I think it's about us getting out there and letting folks know they have coverage. So we're very mindful that there's education that we have to continue to do and the sales force is really excited about it. I know that the materials are now out there circulating in the field and so we're excited about pushing those. That will be some of the work we do over the course of this year. The work to be done now is -- you talked a little bit about the PBM. So it's working with -- we have two PBMs. And as you go deeper into those PBMs and you get to more customized formularies, we will be working with those PBMs to expand access even within there, knowing full well the benefits that CGM provides to those populations. We'll also be working with the third PBM, right, and looking and looking to at ways to ultimately gain coverage there. And so we're hard at-work there. And make no mistake on the flip side, we are also looking at how we would work with CMS and certainly to make sure that folks have access to the product. We know the benefits of folks using CGM and what it does to the system. And given the capitated nature of Medicare fee-for-service and even Medicare Advantage plans, those are real interesting things. And so we'll be working heavily there. What you generally need in those cases, not all-the-time, but it's always helpful is in RCT. And as you know, we've talked about in the past, we are running an RCT. And Jake would tell you, we're already in enrollment right now and we've talked about really completing that enrollment here in the first-half of this year with early readouts at the back-end of this year. So we'd be using that in conjunction with all of this evidence to look to expand coverage, but it is top-of-mind. So as we have our market access team potentially even listening to this call, they all know it's in the goals and for the year is just to make sure we advance this as much as we can.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Matthew O'Brien with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Matthew O'Brien
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Not sure if this is for Kevin or Jeremy or Jake for that matter. But are you expecting a record new patient number here in '25? And if so, can you just talk a little bit about the composition of where that's coming from just given that we're getting a little bit more saturated on the intensive side and a lot more of this needs to come from basal and then non-intensively managed type-2. So just maybe talk about the composition to get you to that level if you are committing to that and just making investors or helping investors feel comfortable you can do that given this patient population that historically you haven't been as strong with. Thanks.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah, sure. I can give you some -- at least how we're thinking about the year. Certainly, we do expect it to be a record patient year. So we are -- we do see continued penetration across the insulin-intensive segment and across T1 and T2 insulin intensive, we still expect quite a bit of penetration in that market and it still plays a very large portion of our new patient starts. We do expect a consistent penetration in basal over the course of this year. And so as you think about basal and the progress made across that population in 2024, we'd expect something similar here in 2025. And so that's continued steady adoption in basal. Remember basal is a big grower since it's a smaller base as part of that population, it will continue to contribute there. And then, of course, we do expect a greater contribution this year-on the Type 2 non-insulin side given some of the coverage that's in-place. And so it's continuing to move along basal. It's continuing to move along on insulin coverage as you start our insulin intensive coverage with the addition of type-2 here. And what's interesting and this doesn't include. So I think what's important is this is in our G-series and D-Series approach. And so we're not even including STELLO in those numbers. And so it should give you a little bit more confidence as we move even beyond type-2 pre-diabetes and health and wellness where we have an over-the-counter product like STELLO, that's just even more opportunity for us to take advantage of that. Kevin, no,

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

I would add, there's also some coverage wins that really start taking effect in 2025 in our US markets with basal coverage in France, some spotty growing basal coverage in Germany. We've had wins in Canada, Australia. We've got our direct team in Japan on the street now. So we see international growth in those markets. And I just kind of go on with what Jeremy said, now that we have more type-2 non-intensive open, obviously, that's going to contribute a larger portion of the new patients than we've done in the past because we have access to those people. But we still believe there's growth in the insulin population. I mean, as I disclosed earlier with 60% penetration in type 1 and 55% penetration in type-2 intensive, we've still got a lot of people that need access to this technology to better control their health. And we believe with the field force, their increased productivity and all the things we're doing, we're in a good place to get after it.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Bedford with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Jayson Bedford
Analyst at Raymond James

Good afternoon. Excuse me. I apologize if this is redundant, but it sounds like there's no change to the Stello expectation of 2% to 3% of sales. If you confirm that, great. But can you just also talk about the STELLA trend through the year, meaning specifically the timing of drivers? It sounds like Amazon is coming on soon. But when did the 5 million newly reimbursed come online and when do you have full app integration with Aura. Thanks.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah. Maybe I'll start with some of that and I can hand it off to Jake here. So let's start with the type-2 coverage first so that we can move into STELLO. So type-2 coverage that we announced effective 1/1. So it's already in-place right now. So that's good news. We all -- I can also confirm that is 2% to 3% -- the expectation is 2% to 3% of revenue in the year. So we've obviously considered the Type 2 coverage in making that call. In terms of the cadence over the year and the integrations in Amazon, maybe I can hand it to Jake just to cover some of the expectations around that.

Jacob Leach
Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer at DexCom

Sure. Yeah. So around Stello, we're working Fast and Furious on a whole host of new capabilities. We actually just launched one within the past weeks that allows users to look-back at their historic data within the app. So that was something -- that was one of the number-one requests we got after we launched Stello. And so we've got that function out in the field. We are working, as you mentioned, very closely with Aura on a deeper integration. Today, we do import already Aura data into the STELLO platform, but working with the team over at Aura, we're working on a deeper integration where we have access to a lot more of the intrinsic data from the Aura platform. And so we're working to integrate that into our app. So the first thing we're working on right now is just the pipes to get the data flowing in and then we'll start working on visualizations. You will start to see those integrations coming out in the first-half of this year, but we'll continue to. We have two very innovative groups with the team over at Aura and our software team. And so I'm really excited to see what they've been developing and we'll be throughout the course of the year having multiple releases that continue to build-on the functionality.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah. And then I think the last question is in channel. And so channel, we are seeing DME channels selling it today. You're seeing partners selling it now. And I think the Amazon is expected in 1Q, Jason. So we expect to see it here on Amazon very, very shortly. And so keep your eyes out, but 1Q is when we expect to launch.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Shagun Singh with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Shagun Singh
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thank you so much. Kevin and Jeremy, I was hoping you could walk us through some of the assumptions behind the 14% growth rate for 2025. It looks like there are some areas of conservatism. I don't think you assume DME share gains, you're assuming it to be flat. Why is that? You do have easy comps. You guys typically guide mid to-high teens, but you tend to exceed those. You do have a fully productive sales force, more reps year-over-year, two new product launches and then you are looking for record new patient starts. So can you walk me through that through the assumptions? Should we assume the 14% growth as a base-case? And then just on the 15-day sensor, what is assumed in that guidance for the second-half? Thank you.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Sure. Yeah, I can give you some of the data points here. We cover a little bit on the script, but I think it's helpful just to walk-through them. So we do expect about 1 to 2 points to be growth-related to STELLO. Obviously, if it was 1% last year and it's 2% to 3% this year, there's a couple of points there. As you peel that back, you'll see that the core, I'd say G&D series business is still in the low-teens growth, 12%, 13%. And as you break-down what happened in our international market, which we continue -- expect to continue to perform well. In the US market, you can see that the US market, we expect to grow a little faster than the US market, at least in the guidance and that's how we've set that up over the course of the year. But you still see the US -- the US performance doing quite well over the course of the year. I would say, I would say what we've given you is the figures that we think is reasonable given the year. We understand that over the course of last year, we put a few things in-place. Those had us take a bit of a step-back. So we want to make sure we put out some guidance that's very reasonable, that's very achievable and that's what we've done here. To your point, there are some tailwinds in those assumptions. Kevin alluded to it earlier, there's access wins outside the US and that's going to be very interesting. In the US, we have a sales force that's now up and stable and running and it's wonderful to see. They've done a really great job. And so really looking-forward to some of that. Obviously, with more-and-more coverage wins coming out there in the US over type-2, these are all things that are potential upsides and we'll certainly -- if we can achieve those, we'll certainly pass them along. But I think we wanted to be reasonable when we put through that guidance. And certainly, it's an acceleration when you look at the back-half of this year. As we exit the year, we had a 3.8%. So 14% would be a tailwind there. We do assume stable DME share. I think it's a prudent thing to do. We will be working closely with our DME partners. I think they've been wonderful through these past few weeks as we've navigated through this quarter, and I think they're great partners and we'll look to continue to partner with them. But I think that's a reasonable assumption to take a start into the year.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

Yeah, I'd just add one other thing with respect to 15 days, yes, that's another tailwind. But again, we don't have an approved product yet. We've talked about launching this in the second-half of the year, but there is a timeframe where we have to get coverage up and running with all the payers, get it through CMS for Medicare and then get it on the shelves and also integrate with our partners. There's a timeframe for a launch here. We learned a lot from the G7 launch. We'll apply all these to 15-day, but make no mistake about it, there's a little bit of a lag. It takes a little bit of time. And so while it's a tailwind, it's, it's going to be helpful. It's not the big tailwind. There's certainly some upside if things were to go very quickly, but what we've assumed is a base-case based on our knowledge and what we've experienced in the past.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Chris Basquali with Nephron Research. Your line is open.

Chris Pasquale
Analyst at Nephron Research

Thanks. I wanted to follow-up on Stello. You're coming off your first holiday season, first New Year's resolution season with the consumer product. Did you see an acceleration in subscription activity tied to those seasonal factors? And now with a few months under your belt of the launch, how are you feeling about your ability to keep users engaged after they've gone through their first couple of sensors? And you mentioned AI would just love to hear a little bit more about what role that plays in that engagement.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

I'll start a bit and I'll let Jake take the AI question. We did see a nice spike of New Year's resolutions in January as the year started. We saw a lot of people sign-up to get the year started and kick things off. With respect to users continuing to use Stello, our subscription renewal rate for those who signed-up to subscription plans has been -- has been excellent. Users have signed-up and they bought more sensors. We feel very good about that ironically or not ironically, but just as a side note, the type-2 diabetes population in certainly signs-up and buys more frequently than the others and that renewal rate has been very, very strong. So our initial design of that product, the way we thought the app would work is really serving the audience that we targeted for and then we'll add features over the course of the year that will benefit those users in addition to the other user groups that we serve. Jake, I'll let you take the AI stuff.

Jacob Leach
Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer at DexCom

Yes, sure. So we did roll-out the first generative AI capability within a glucose biosensor on. I mean it's really around those insight reports that the users get after a week of where. And it's -- we see good feedback. We actually did a staggered rollout of that. We rolled it out to half the users at first and then we quickly ramped that up so we kind of compare some of the usage patterns. And so I think one of the key areas that I talked about earlier when I said we've got a robust sequence of releases. A lot of it will be to continue to build-on the insights. The number-one thing now that we've got the historic data in the platform, the next request from users has been even deeper insights, which is clearly in our crosshairs as we look at the integration with Aura data and then the further utilization of that generative AI report and feedback. The insights are going to continue to get deeper and more personalized as we go and really looking-forward to releasing more of that capability throughout the year.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Steve Leachmann with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Steve Lichtman
Analyst at Oppenheimer

Hi, thanks guys. Just building on, ADA last year, you talked purposely about focusing stelllo messaging on the non-insulin type-2 first. With the coverage making real progress here, how are you thinking about that messaging changing over the next couple of years and there being more of a bifurcation between G-series for type-2 and STELLO for maybe pre-diabetes and beyond.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

You know, that's a great question and something we discuss on a regular basis. We know that if products reimbursed, we have a much better chance of getting it to somebody and them staying out and using it all-the-time. So what you're going to see is a migration of some of the features we put into Sello geared towards type-2 patients not on insulin into the G-Series app. So our users can have the opportunity to identify their glucose spikes, interact with G7 with the AI module and things like we put into the app. And conversely, you'll see STELLO will add more features again that would be more conducive to health and wellness and serving other populations pre-diabetes along those lines. But you'll see us migrate features from one app to the other where it makes a lot of sense and that's a credit to our software team and the software platform we built with our ability to iterate very quickly.

Jacob Leach
Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer at DexCom

One thing I'd add is that if you look at the indication for use on STELLO, it is very, very broad and that was purposeful and we went and pioneered the over-the-counter indication. It's all adults, not an insulin. So it very much is indicated for use outside of diabetes. And we intend to over-time continue to build the feature set-out to serve more-and-more users. We actually have quite a few of the users that have been using Stello to-date are in that category of health and wellness and longevity just seeking to learn more about their metabolic health through using this system. So we did target diabetes and pre-diabetes at first, but clearly, as the capability of the platform builds out, it's going to become more-and-more applicable to a broader group.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Kirby with Redburn Atlantic. Your line is open.

Issie Kirby
Analyst at Redburn Atlantic

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about the G8 sensor and how we should be thinking around potential accuracy improvements really going after MARD on the glucose monitoring side with this device? And then you've touched upon multi-analyte. What discussions are you having with payers about the ability to perhaps look at a premium price for a sense of these capabilities. Thanks.

Jacob Leach
Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer at DexCom

Yeah, thanks for the question. Yes, so we are always striving to enhance the accuracy and reliability of our sensors. You know, G7 is the most accurate sensor available, but there's still opportunities to enhance this technology and make it more accurate, more reliable for broader group of users. And so with -- even within the G7 platform, we're still working to further enhance the accuracy of that system. And so as we look to G8, we're actually building one of the things I mentioned, right, it's a smaller wearable, but with more capability and part of that capability is further ability to for fault detections as well as accuracy enhancements. And so we will -- we do intend to improve the accuracy of the system as we continue to build-on the different hardware platforms. The multi-analyte is we've got different analyts in various stages of development. There's actually quite a few. And so we're kind of early days during -- in terms of the use-case applications and whether -- we haven't really had a discussion around premium price yet. But the way that we think about it is amplifying the value of the CGM by adding those additional analytes and broader use cases in chronic diseases around diabetes is certainly one of the areas that we'll consider once we get the technology a little farther along.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Michael Polark with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Michael Polark
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Hi, good afternoon. I want to ask about the point estimate for the revenue guidance. Jeremy, you have a history of providing a range of about 5 points in recent years. So why just one number and not a range? If you had us think about a range around this 4.6, is 4.6 the floor, a midpoint? How would you frame that? I'd appreciate any color. Thank you.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Sure. Yeah. I mean, the reason we went with a point and obviously, we went out in January at JPM and now again, is last year was a bit of a unique year for us. I think what's really important is we set everybody with what our best thoughts are around the year. And so this is our best thoughts around the year. We don't necessarily want to couch it as good low, high, low, et-cetera, because we'd be putting out a range again. And so the best way to think about it is we really wanted to give everybody a thought about the year in the eyes of management after a year that I know that had some folks thrown for a bit of loops over the course of the year. And so we thought it was the right thing to do. And as the year moves on and as the year progress, we'll certainly give you guys updates, but it was really just designed around that is making sure we got everybody on the same page with us and we'll hopefully move all forward together

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bill Plavanic with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.

Bill Plovanic
Analyst at Canaccord Genuity Group

I'm going to go a different angle here. We've been talking about revenue a lot. I really want to talk about profitability if we can. Obviously, '24 was a tough year. We've really kind of tapped out of that 20-ish percent operating level. You're looking for a little increase in '25. How do we think about kind of the years after? Is this going to be something where it's a 1% expansion per year in operating adjusted operating? Or are there any lever points that could really accelerate this? Thanks for taking my question.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Sure. Thanks, Bill. Appreciate it. You know, I think there's a couple of things. One, obviously, one of the big things that we've been focusing on is building a bunch of levers into the business on the operating expense side. I think you've seen it over the years. OpEx as a percentage of revenue has continued to come down. I would expect that to take place over future years. That all being said, we do allocate a significant amount of money to R&D and that's intentional because of all the opportunities ahead of us. And so we balance this investment -- reinvestment in the business across both R&D and sales and marketing, because not only do we believe there's a lot of opportunities for development and growth, we also believe as we move into these new markets, there's a lot of opportunity to spread the word. And that's why we've invested in sales force expansion. It's why we invest in marketing. So levers are you can invest less in the business. I don't think that's what we really want to do. We are doing a wonderful job of managing G&A as an organization, and I think we'll continue to do that. So that's where the leverage will come from. The other piece of leverage will come from gross margin. I mean, we've guided out to 65 over the years. If you look in the past year, we came in obviously lower than that in 2024. So I think as you think about gross margin, certainly getting back to 65 and I think you guys all know the levers with 15-day and continuing to design cost-out of the product, those are opportunities that obviously can head back to the bottom-line over the years. So I think those are the two levers to play with. And as long as there's an opportunity to continue to reinvest in the business, which we believe will drive long-term growth, we'll continue to do that. If that doesn't make sense, there's certainly leverage we can get-in the P&L. I think, Bill, you know this from all the years you've done this, building levers is really important for a business. And some of those levers go into reinvestment, some of those levers will go back to return of investment. And those are the two things we're going to make sure we balance to grow the company.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Patrick Wood with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Patrick Wood
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Beautiful. Thanks for taking the question. 15 day again, so apologies about that, but it's obviously a big impact. I guess, how are you thinking long-term about what the average wear time will do because presumably there would be a subset of patients who may want to change their sensor a little bit more frequently for all kinds of different reasons, whether it's how they react to the adhesive or get stirsty or things like that. Do you have any inflow from like early days from STELLO to get a sense for changeout rates or I'm just trying to think where does it ultimately end-up? It's obviously not completely 15 days, but I'm just trying to get a sense where you think the average consumer is going to-end up. Thanks.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

Actually, our wearers are very happy with the 15-day wear so-far. And as far as them being unhappy with sticky tape or something not looking right, that really hasn't been that much of an issue. The number of patients getting to 15 days with STELLA has been very strong so-far. Look, 15 days is the preferred use-case for this patient population and for their caregivers. Certainly, there may be groups, for example, children where they may change more frequently. We have right now a very generous and a very yet efficient service model with the sensor fails it falls off. We work with people to make sure they have the sensors that they need. We're looking at that service model as we go to 15 days to make it as streamlined as possible. So people do have the experiences that they want. At the same time, we increase our profitability and our margins across the way. And this is something look at and talk about on a regular basis, Patrick. But most people really do want to wear it 15 days if they can. They'd rather not change the sensor.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah. And I think it's safe to say. I mean in the interim, you're 100% right, Patrick. The timing is going to be who moves, when they move, what the preferred. Longer-term, every one of them are going to be 18 days. So it's just a matter of timing as opposed to necessarily how many people are going to stay on at 10 day?

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Marie with BTIG. Your line is open.

Sam
Analyst at BTIG Research

Hey. Hey, good afternoon. This is Sam on for Marie. Thanks for taking the questions here. Maybe I can just ask about the sustainability of international growth and just getting your thoughts about contribution from maybe the several levers you have, whether it's expanding into new markets, going direct in other countries and it's increasing penetration through coverage wins. Thanks.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

Our primary goal internationally, again, is to go to the large international markets where sensors are approved, where CGM is approved and it's a growing technology. Certainly, there are countries in this group where there's more type 1 penetration to get. Many of the countries don't even cover type-2 intensive insulin use yet. So we're looking to drive more access there. And then, as I said earlier in the call, is only fully approved in two OUS markets, Japan and France. So we're looking to build the case in those markets. So we'll expand in the markets where CGM is already a proven technology and becoming the standard-of-care for insulin use. As far as other markets, when we launched D1 that our Dexcom One product in the beginning, we built a very efficient model to launch a digital platform in those geographies and get those geographies up and running. What we've experienced in those geographies, in all fairness is oftentimes it grows to reimbursement very quickly when the government sees how many of these sensors are purchased and the great outcomes these patients have as physicians put pressure on the reimbursement authorities. So we have good plans for those geographies where we're not -- that's not where the bulk of the international growth is going to come from. It's going to come from the large markets where CGM is reimbursed as we expand access and the category in general, similar to what we've done in the domestic market. Yeah.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Mike with Inc. Your line is open.

Mike Kratky
Analyst at Leerink Partners

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking our question. You walked through some of the growth trends across the different segments of the diabetes population earlier on the call. Maybe as a follow-up to that, have you seen any noteworthy shifts in your market-share that you're capturing across different segments and anything in particular you expect to see in 2025?

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah. I mean as you looked at over the course, Call-IT, say, the 4th-quarter, we had a really good -- a good bounce-back in the 3rd-quarter and a really strong 4th-quarter. And in the 4th-quarter, given it was record new patients and we saw strength really across-the-board, we saw some good, really good share performance across really all of it. Now the area when we historically we've had the lease share was in the area we haven't had coverage. And so as you fast-forward into 2025, coverage is a good opportunity for us there. And so I'd expect us to continue to do well, especially with the expanded sales force and all of the innovation we're putting into the product as well as having in the bag, and that's really important as we call them physicians. So expect us to do really well in the markets we're in. And then an area we alluded to a little bit earlier on the call where we haven't had coverage and we're excited to see where this goes in 2025 is in the non-insulin space. I think that's an area where with coverage, we expect to perform well. But I think you saw the performance in Q4. The new patient performance in Q4 is a precursor to really some a good jumping point for 2025.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Matt with Barclays. Your line is open.

Matt Miksic
Analyst at Barclays

Hey, thanks so much for taking the question. So just one quick clarification and then a question on some of the comments you made about economics of patients. So the quick clarification was just -- I'm not sure if you've given a timeframe for G8 yet approximately is it one year away, two years away that would be helpful. And then the question on the economics was, you know, I think the perception is among investors that as you move-up and Call-IT to the right lower acuity patient non-insulin and so on that the economics and the economic value of that per patient is lower. And it sounds like on a per unit basis, I think as you were describing earlier, not true. So is that -- is that purely driven by use-case utilization, renewed prescriptions and so on? Or is there different rebates? Maybe how would you sort of like dispute that kind of perception out there about that segment of the market? Thanks so much.

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

Let's start with your G8 question. We've not given a timeline. Right now, we're all hands-on-deck for 15-day G7 and that's the timeline we're most concerned about today as far as giving you guidance. Again, that's in the second-half of the year as we look-forward to approval in the not-too-distant future. With respect to these other markets as we get into non-intensive diabetes treatment, even bathal treatment when we started, we know that utilization rates amongst these patient groups are a bit different, but they're not as dramatically different as one would expect. Certainly, our type 1 patients who are made in some delivery systems, some of which don't even function without a sensor. The utilization there is going to be very, very-high, obviously and if they're having a good experience with their system, retention is incredibly strong as well. As we move down the acuity curve, what we see is utilization may decrease some. But as long as it's reimbursed, it doesn't decrease like it doesn't go from 90% down to 40%, it goes down a little bit. Now mind you, as we expand in these categories, and get more-and-more users, utilization patterns will change and they will shift. So maybe the value of a patient over the course of the year will come down a little bit. But if it's reimbursed, we don't expect it to come down that much where we have to build our models and learn more is with STELLO. With these cash-pay patients, how many centers are they going to purchase cash-wise, how many they're going to use and what does that look like? And we're too early in that journey to really define it.

Jereme Sylvain
Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer at DexCom

Yeah. And Matt, I think the question earlier was, do the economics per transaction change? I think the answer is no. However, does utilization change? The answer is yes. So it gets back to the per user per year. It may come down, but remember, the amount of sensors you sell comes down because it's a utilization question. So the gross margin and the op margins remain the same. I think that's the important part of it. So it depends. Are you talking about the economics of the transaction, the economics of the lifetime value of customer, they are different, but I think there was a question about does the margins go down because you're moving to a different -- and the answer is no.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the conference back over to Kevin for closing remarks..

Kevin Sayer
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer at DexCom

We thank everybody for participating today. We're very pleased with our 2024 results and a record new patients and the things we achieved in the 4th-quarter. We're looking-forward to a great 2025. Many levers in-place for us to have a great year, and we look-forward to your continued support. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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  • Sean Christensen
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  • Kevin Sayer
    Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer
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    Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer
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    Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer

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