Marathon Oil Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 20, 2025

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to Oceaneering's Fourth Quarter and Full Year twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. There will be a question and answer period after the speakers' remarks. With that, I will now turn the call over to Hilary Frisbie, Oceaneering's Senior Director of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead. Thanks,

Speaker 1

Desiree. Good morning, and welcome to Oceaneering's fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four earnings conference call. Today's call is being webcast and a replay will be available on Oceaneering's website. With me on the call today are Rob Larson, President and Chief Executive Officer, who will be providing our prepared comments and Alan Curtis, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind participants that statements we make during this call regarding our future financial performance, business strategy, plans for future operations and industry conditions are forward looking statements made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Speaker 1

Our comments today also include non GAAP financial measures. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our fourth quarter press release. We welcome your questions after the prepared statements. I will now turn the call over to Rod.

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning and thanks for joining the call today. First off, thank you to our investors, our customers, our vendors, partners and most importantly, the Oceaneers around the globe for continuing to believe in and contribute to the Oceaneering story. During 2024, we recorded notable order intake of $2,900,000,000 demonstrating our customers' confidence in our ability to deliver safe and reliable services and products repurchased approximately $20,000,000 in shares demonstrated continued value for our customers as evidenced by our year end remotely operated vehicle or ROV uptime rate of 99% further progressed pricing in our ROV business, improving 13% over the course of the year realized a three sixty one basis point improvement in Subsea Robotics or SSR EBITDA margin year over year, exiting 2024 at 36% attained our highest quarterly revenue since the fourth quarter of twenty fifteen and surpassed $100,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA for the first time since the second quarter of twenty sixteen one, a contract from the Defense Innovation Unit to build a Freedom Vehicle, our hybrid ROV autonomous underwater vehicle, AUV and to establish an onshore remote operations center for the U. S. Navy, highlighting the cross industry applications for our technology made targeted adjustments to our portfolio, including the fourth quarter acquisition of Global Design Innovation Limited or GDI, a UK based provider of digital and software solutions and exits from other businesses.

Speaker 2

And I would be remiss if I failed to mention our steadfast commitment to safety, which in 2024 led to a 56% reduction in high potential incidents and a total recordable incident rate or TRIR of 0.29 for the year, nearly matching our record low TRIR achieved in 2022. Now I will focus my comments on our performance for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024, our market outlook for 2025, our consolidated 2025 outlook including our expectation to generate positive free cash flow the range of $110,000,000 to $130,000,000 and EBITDA in the range of $380,000,000 to $430,000,000 and our segment outlook for the full year and first quarter of twenty twenty five. Now starting with our fourth quarter twenty twenty four results. For the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, we reported net income of $56,100,000 or 0.55 per share, a 26% year over year increase. Consolidated revenue of $713,000,000 was 9% higher than in the same period of the prior year with revenue increases in each of our operating segments.

Speaker 2

Fourth quarter twenty twenty four consolidated operating income of $77,900,000 was 64% higher year over year due to significant improvements in our SSR and Offshore Project Group or OPG segments. Our consolidated adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization or adjusted EBITDA of $102,000,000 represented a 35% increase year over year and was slightly above both the midpoint of our implied guidance range provided at the beginning of the fourth quarter and consensus estimates. Although we experienced typical fourth quarter seasonality in SSR, it is worth noting that their results declined only slightly while OPG's fourth quarter revenue, operating income and EBITDA improved and represented its best quarter in 2024. We generated $128,000,000 of cash from operating activities in the fourth quarter and invested approximately $34,000,000 in organic capital expenditures, including $18,000,000 in growth and $16,000,000 in maintenance. Additionally, as previously mentioned, we acquired GEI.

Speaker 2

We ended the quarter with free cash flow of $94,500,000 As of 12/31/2024, our cash balance was $498,000,000 Now let's look at our business operations by segment for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four as compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. SSR operating income of $63,500,000 was 26% higher compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three on a 6% increase in revenue. EBITDA margin also improved year over year to 36% from 32% reflecting continued pricing progression in ROV and tooling and improved execution in our ROV and survey groups. Average ROV revenue per day utilized was $10,786 a 12% year over year increase, while fleet utilization of 66% and days utilized of 15,211 were slightly lower. ROV fleet use during the quarter of 64% in drill support and 36% in vessel based activity was essentially the same as in the fourth quarter twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2

The revenue split between our ROE business and our combined cooling and survey businesses as a percentage of our total SSR revenue was 7723%, which was relatively flat during the same period in 2023. As of 12/31/2024, we had 59% of the contracted floating rig market with ROV contracts on 84 of the 142 floating rigs contract. We ended the quarter and the year just as we began with a fleet count of two fifty ROV systems. Turning to manufactured products. Our fourth quarter revenue of $143,000,000 increased 8% year over year.

Speaker 2

Operating income of $4,200,000 and operating income margin of 3% declined primarily due to reserve taken on an umbilical project. Year end 2024 backlog was $6.00 $4,000,000 a decrease of $17,000,000 compared to 12/31/2023. The book to bill ratio of 0.7 for the full year of 2024 compared to 1.31 in the full year of 2023 was lower than expected due to the timing of awards for Max Mover counterbalance forklifts. OPG achieved their highest levels of revenue, operating income and operating income margin in 2024 during the fourth quarter. As compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, operating income improved significantly to $39,300,000 Operating income margin improved to 21% from 9% and revenue increased 14% to $184,000,000 These improvements resulted from increased installation and intervention activity levels in West Africa and The Gulf Of Mexico.

Speaker 2

For Integrity Management and Digital Solutions or IMDS, fourth quarter operating income decreased by $1,200,000 and operating income margin declined from 5% to 3% despite a 9,100,000 increase in revenue primarily due to costs associated with acquisitions and divestitures in this segment. As previously announced, we completed the acquisition of GDi, which will report future financial results through IMDS. Our Aerospace and Defense Technologies or AdTech fourth quarter twenty twenty four operating income declined 1,100,000 and operating income margin declined to 10% on a $3,900,000 increase in revenue as compared to the same period last year. Operating income declined primarily due to changes in project mix with increased volume in our Marine Services division, which is lower margin manpower business, offsetting lower volume in our Oceaneering Technologies or OTEC division and the implementation of a discrete new ERP system for AdTech that supports our growth strategy to become a prime contractor to the U. S.

Speaker 2

Government. Fourth quarter twenty twenty four unallocated expenses of $41,100,000 were in line with the guidance for the quarter. Now I'll turn my focus to our full year 2024 results compared to 2023. For 2024, consolidated revenue increased 10% to $2,700,000,000 from $2,400,000,000 in 2023 with each of our operating segments achieving revenue growth. Consolidated 2024 operating income of $246,000,000 improved by $64,900,000 or 36% and adjusted EBITDA of $347,000,000 improved by $58,200,000 or 20% compared to 2023.

Speaker 2

EBITDA gains in our SSR, Manufactured Products and OPG segments more than offset declines in our IMDS and AdTech segments. As compared to 2023, cash flow from operations declined $6,700,000 to $2.00 $3,000,000 due to increased networking capital related to the timing of revenues and increased cash taxes. We invested $107,000,000 in organic capital expenditures, an increase from $101,000,000 in 2023. As previously discussed, we also spent approximately $27,000,000 in inorganic capital expenditures, which included the acquisition of GDI. For the full year of 2024, free cash flow was $96,100,000 compared to $109,000,000 in 2023.

Speaker 2

At year end, we had healthy liquidity with $498,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents and an undrawn $250,000,000 credit revolver. Now turning to our 2025 market outlook. We believe that Oceaneering is well positioned to take advantage of market dynamics in 2025 and beyond. Research services continue to report that breakeven costs and carbon intensity in the offshore operations are lower compared to most other forms of hydrocarbon development. Near term and long term oil and gas prices continue to be supportive of a healthy market for the services and products that we provide.

Speaker 2

We also continue to see growth opportunities within our AdTech segment. Analyst and Research Services projections for key energy related metrics that we track indicate that 2025 activity will be flat or slightly positive. We expect that the 2025 forecasted average Brent crude oil price of approximately $75 per barrel will be supportive of stable levels of offshore operating and capital spending throughout the year. The Deepwater Final Investment Decision or FID forecast indicates a year over year increase in 2025, providing added support for our forecast. Tree awards and project sanctions are indicators of the two to five year horizon for activities such as installations, equipment orders and offshore spending.

Speaker 2

Tree awards are forecasted to increase in 2025 with approximately two eighty five subsea trees expected to be awarded in 2025 as compared to two sixteen awards in 2024. Tree installations are forecasted to increase year over year with approximately three fifty installations forecasted for 2025 as compared to three thirty installations in 2024. Drilling rig demand is expected to be flat in 2025. While we view these market indicators as supportive, changes in the geopolitical landscape, including changes in regulations and trade policies, may impact the markets we serve and our customers' planned activities. Like our peers, we are closely monitoring the announcements of new tariffs, both by The U.

Speaker 2

S. And other countries, which we currently do not expect to have a material impact on our energy services and products. We are also monitoring the impact of budgetary reviews in The U. S. On our government related markets.

Speaker 2

At this time, we expect that the specific defense related markets that we serve will remain relatively stable with continued growth for the foreseeable future. Now for our 2025 consolidated outlook for Oceaneering. Based on our year end 2024 backlog, expected backlog conversion, anticipated 2025 order intake and current market fundamentals, we are projecting our 2025 consolidated revenue to grow by mid to high single digits with increased revenue in each of our operating segments. Our expectations for growth in revenue are driven by our expectations for continued pricing progression and favorable year over year project mix. We also expect higher operating income and operating income margins in each of our operating segments.

Speaker 2

While we remain confident in our backlog and sales pipeline, we felt it was prudent to acknowledge the aforementioned geopolitical risks and their potential impact on the markets we participate in. As reported yesterday, we have adjusted our EBITDA guidance range for the year. We anticipate generating $380,000,000 to $430,000,000 of EBITDA with the year over year improvement being led by our SSR, AdTech and Manufactured Products segments. At the midpoint of this range, our 2025 EBITDA would represent a 17% increase over our 2024 adjusted EBITDA. We anticipate generating positive free cash flow of $110,000,000 to $130,000,000 As has been the case over the past several years, we anticipate a substantial cash draw during the first quarter related to working capital changes associated with vendor payments and customer cash receipts and the payment of performance based incentive compensation.

Speaker 2

For 2025, we forecast our organic capital expenditures to total between $130,000,000 and $140,000,000 This includes approximately $52,000,000 to $56,000,000 of maintenance capital expenditures and $78,000,000 to $84,000,000 of growth capital expenditures. This total is inclusive of $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 associated with the implementation of a new ERP system. It is worth noting that the increase in capital expenditures is tied to growth opportunities related to new contracts. We forecast our twenty twenty five interest expense net of interest income to be in the range of $26,000,000 to $30,000,000 We expect our 2025 cash tax payments to be in the range of $110,000,000 to $120,000,000 This includes taxes incurred in countries that impose tax based on in country revenue and bear no relationship to the profitability of such operations. Directionally in 2025, for our operations by segment, for SSR, the expectation for improved results is based on sustained and continued pricing improvement in ROV, a stable overall demand for ROV days and improved results from our survey business.

Speaker 2

Results for tooling based services are expected to generally follow ROV days utilized. Revenue growth is expected to be in the high single digit range and EBITDA margins are expected to average in the mid-thirty percent range for the full year. For ROVs, we project that our 2024 service mix of 65% drill support and 35% vessel services will remain generally the same in 2025. We expect to continue to navigate concerns about white space and drilling schedules by maintaining and placing our ROV systems on higher class assets. Our overall ROV fleet utilization during the year is forecasted to range between the high 60% and low 70% with high seasonal activity during the second and third quarters.

Speaker 2

We expect to sustain our ROV market share in the 55% to 60% range for drill support services. We continue to see opportunities to improve ROV revenue per day utilized. In 2024, we saw an increase of 13 year over year from $9,315 in 2023 to $10,481 in 2024 with a 2024 exit rate of $10,786 For Manufactured Products, we expect operating margins to improve and operating results to improve significantly on increased revenue, primarily based on conversion of our existing backlog in energy products, growth in our Greylock Connectors business and improvements in our non energy product lines. For OPG, operating results are forecasted to improve on a flat to slight increase in revenue. These projections are based on expectations for improved vessel utilization in the Gulf Of Mexico and West Africa and increased activity levels in Brazil and Asia Pacific.

Speaker 2

Overall for 2025, OPG operating income margins are expected to average in the mid teens range for the year, primarily due to an increase in higher margin intervention work, including light well intervention and a meaningful reduction in drydock costs. IMDS operating results are forecasted to improve significantly on increased revenue with growth opportunities in digital and engineering services. Operating income margin is expected to improve to be in the high single digit to low double digit range for the year. AdTech operating results and revenue are expected to be significantly higher. We anticipate growth in all three of our government focused businesses led by OTEC as we commence work on expected new program awards and recovery in our Space Systems business.

Speaker 2

Operating income margins are expected to average in the low teens of the year. For 2025, we anticipate unallocated expenses to average approximately $45,000,000 per quarter. Now I'll discuss our outlook for the first quarter of twenty twenty five as compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four. On a consolidated basis, we expect our first quarter twenty twenty five revenue to increase and EBITDA to significantly increase with EBITDA in the range of $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 As compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four, our expectations for the first quarter of twenty twenty five by segment are: For SSR, we project revenue to increase and operating results to increase significantly. For OPG, we expect revenue and operating results to improve significantly due to ongoing work from the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four and due to the reduction of drydock costs and the related loss of vessel days that impacted the first quarter of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2

For manufactured products, IMDS and AdTech, we expect that revenue and operating results will be similar. We forecast unallocated expenses to be in the range of $45,000,000 In closing, I'd like to again thank our team of Oceaneers. It is their ingenuity, teamwork and commitment to our shared values that drives our success. As we look forward to the future, we remain focused on delivering innovative solutions to our customers, fulfilling our commitments to our shareholders and supporting and empowering our team. We appreciate everyone's continued interest in Oceaneering and will now be happy to take any questions you may have.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Eddie Kim with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning. Good morning. So the upward progression of your ROVs, the average revenue per day has been impressive at almost $10,800 in the quarter. Has that increased in pricing over the past several years, has that been driven more by the drilling support side or the vessel based work or the combination of both? And just given the expectation of a lot of white space this year on deepwater rigs, do you expect maybe a flattish kind of trajectory from 4Q levels through the end of the year?

Speaker 3

Or do you expect that will actually surpass about $11,000 a day as we move through the year?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ed. I would say, first of all, the pricing is coming from both. We're seeing improvements in both the vessel and the drill support. And then, I guess, we see, we see the days or the activity being flattish. But, but because, you know, it's the realization of price even from the exit, exit rate we have, there's been ongoing negotiations.

Speaker 2

Obviously, it's not the same. I would say that the bites come in smaller bites or the improvements come in smaller bites. But it's, but it's still we're still seeing some upward progression. So we expect to get even more through the through 2025 despite the flat days. And again, just kind of reassurance of that, not unlike we had flattish days and flattish activity in 2024.

Speaker 2

We still see the opportunity to demonstrate value 99% uptime and get that improvement in price over time.

Speaker 3

Got it. Understood. And my follow-up is just on your orders within the manufactured products segment. It looks like your book to bill for full year 2024 was about one times, which was a slight decrease from '23 of about 1.3 times book to bill. Apologies if I missed it, but for this year, is there any kind of guidance from an orders or a book to bill perspective on what we should expect?

Speaker 2

We haven't given that guidance yet.

Speaker 4

I think right now we haven't provided the guidance. But I think in the call notes, Rob did describe our expectation that our sales pipeline remains healthy. And I think that's an indicator of our belief in future orders this year will be

Speaker 5

coming.

Speaker 3

Got it. Great. That's all very helpful. I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Kurt Hallead with Benchmark Company. Your line is

Speaker 3

open.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning, everybody. Good morning, Kurt. I appreciate the color as always. I guess in the context of recent conference calls, we've heard from effectively almost all the offshore drillers that there's going to be a reacceleration of contract activity occurring here through the first part of twenty twenty five and obviously boding well for incremental activity in 2026 and 2027. So I guess a kind of two part question around your ROV utilization assumptions for the year.

Speaker 6

Can you give us a reminder or refresher on how potential downtime or white space on rigs, and how you kind of factor that in for 2025?

Speaker 2

I think it's all in the days. I mean, when we talk about the activity, I think in the rig activity, it's in our plan as flattish and that's, it's hard to take the average of what everybody's telling you. I think when Alan and I talk about it, it feels like we're maybe closer to the Transocean story than maybe some of the others. And that's just the blend of the assets we're on. I talk about these higher quality assets.

Speaker 2

But I think, there's lots of things going on under the water. One of the things that's helped us is we've quietly grown our market share in Brazil. And so we're pushing up higher there. We didn't we never used to talk that much about Brazil because some of the Petrobras contracts, were pretty onerous. And now that we see more of the drilling contractors, contracting ROVs directly and they really value uptime, we've been able to get better pricing and again, more market share in Brazil.

Speaker 2

So that's one of those things that happens that's sort of in the mix that kind of gives us some protection against the white space that everybody is talking about.

Speaker 6

Okay. Great. Appreciate that. Now maybe switching gears and and just keeping the topic of the mobile robotics forklifts, that business segment, I know you guys have shifted your manufacturing to more of an outsourced kind of model. Can you give us an update on how that's progressing?

Speaker 6

And give us an update on what kind of discussions you've been having with respect to incremental orders, for that business?

Speaker 2

I think the best thing the outsourced manufacturing we feel good about. We feel good about the quality coming from there. I think we're watching the pipeline. Customer is still very, very bullish. They like the product.

Speaker 2

They've got their own kind of shuffling of the deck about. We're not just sending these into one factory or two. We're servicing multiple factories so that as their schedule changes where they want to put things where they have time to kind of intervene into the production line, that scheduling has been one of the things that we got to keep our eye on as well as developing the next big customer and kind of taking some of these people who have, I would say, taken trial levels of vehicles and turn them into larger volume buyers.

Speaker 6

Got it. Okay. And then just one more on the manufacturing product, obviously, a decent book to bill on

Speaker 2

that

Speaker 6

front. What are some of the can you give us a feel for the margin improvement kind of go forward? How much of that is better price backlog? How much of that is more efficient operations? Just a little bit more flushing that out if you can.

Speaker 2

Yes. All of the above. I was kind of motion

Speaker 4

to run. I would jump in on

Speaker 2

this a little bit because

Speaker 4

I think we have been trying to signal that there is some improved margin sitting in backlog that we were waiting for delivery of small lead materials to come in, which we've been taking receipt of. And that's kind of giving us the confidence in the outlook for 2025 and the increase in revenues and increase in profits. So a large amount of it is sitting there and it is the efficiency we gained by having continuous throughput in these factories. I mean, these are large volume factories and they eat every day as we call it. So getting the utilization in, we absorb more of the overhead costs, QDC costs as we call it.

Speaker 4

So that improves margin. That's having daily throughput is a nice way to look at it in driving margin progression for us this year.

Speaker 2

Yes. And I would I'd just comment on book to bill even though we haven't given guidance. I think just we just tell everybody to watch what we're watching. We're looking for those tree orders. We're looking for tree installations.

Speaker 2

And those things kind of are the best indicator of what's out there. If we see year over year improvements in both of those, that bodes well for what's going to be let in the umbilical side. Yes.

Speaker 4

And I'll highlight something Rod had in the call notes here as well. We called out Greylock product. It's not one we speak about a whole lot, but it's a, a nice niche business as far as that, delivers, high temperature, high pressure connectors. And it's one that gets into many different markets. So I think the team there has been doing a nice job the last couple of years expanding into new markets.

Speaker 4

And we continue to see opportunity in that set.

Speaker 6

Excellent. Appreciate that color as always. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Kurt.

Operator

And we have another question from Josh Jain with Daniel Energy Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning. First question just on offshore products or sorry, offshore projects group. Always moves around a bit. The Q4 performance was quite strong and Q1 outlook highlights significantly higher activity year over year.

Speaker 5

Maybe you could go into more detail about not only for Q4, you talked about West Africa and Gulf Of Mexico, but also where you see some of the strength coming in 2025 and beyond.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Josh. And yes, we've been trying to do the best to talk about this story because I'm going to go back to we hinted at this when we talked about CapEx deployment. We spent a lot of time looking for these growth things, right? These pieces that are in our wheelhouse, in our specialty, but also things that we think grow faster than maybe the rest of the oilfield. If the oilfield tempers a little bit, these are things that are going to continue to grow because there's uptake on them.

Speaker 2

Light well intervention is one of the greatest ones. And we make an investment there. That light well intervention work. I joke that the best the cheapest barrels are the ones that are already behind pipe. So if you've got wells that you can rework, you can do the intervention, whether it's a mechanical or hydraulic intervention.

Speaker 2

I mean, those are that's just really good work. And that's some of the best margin work for us. We're doing it at a lower cost point for the customers because we're using a vessel of opportunity instead of having to have a specialty intervention vessel or a drill rig. So we see the customers getting more and more excited about that again. We see that we can invest in equipment and expand our footprint.

Speaker 2

That along with some of the rework of infrastructure like we saw in the Gulf Of Mexico and in West Africa this year, Those are the things that we really think that have been supportive of the OBG business rather than just call out IMR work. Those are longer contracts. Sometimes that equipment gets put on hire for months at a time. And so those things are a great stabilizing piece for the OPG business.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks. And just, I wanted to ask one on the ROV business, more of a focus on the vessel class rather than drill support. Could you speak to your, the visibility you have in the vessel class ROV market, supply demand today and where, I guess, how tight the market is today and the multi year opportunity set there? Because I would assume, as one of the other questions asked that, a decent amount of the day rate progression has come from this as well as drill support.

Speaker 5

So maybe you could just speak to those opportunities as well.

Speaker 2

I'm not when you say are you talking like on the vessel side, installation vessels, versus yes. I mean, we see a fixed amount. I mean, a lot of the really big vessels, pipeline stuff, a lot of those are done by customers who like to do their own ROVs. So those things aren't so much as you get down into the what they call a drill support vessel, a multipurpose service vessel or an ROV support vessel. Those are the things we see.

Speaker 2

And utilization has been good. I mean, when we look for one of those, on the OPG side, when we're looking for a vessel of opportunity to go attack a project, we find that the windows are not that easy to find. So I think the utilization of that class where we're mostly deployed has been pretty strong.

Speaker 5

And then maybe one last one, if I may, on M and A. You've made a clear in the past with free cash flow and incremental capital you'd like to invest in potentially disruptive technologies. As some multiples have compressed in the public space, I'm curious if you've seen more M and A opportunities sort of come through over the last six to nine months or if the number of opportunities has sort of remained consistent with where we've been over the last year? And then I'll turn it back.

Speaker 2

No, I think there's more stuff. I mean, I think we see more stuff. So that's exciting. We're waiting for our perfect pitch probably is the way to put that. GDI was great.

Speaker 2

I mean, GDI is such an exciting thing for us because it and I'm sure I've said this before, but what I love about it is it's really smart for infrastructure. We get a lot of bang for the buck because what they help you do is by taking a laser scan and a video, you can take that whole picture and determine corrosion and quantify corrosion. Cool part is that we're working really hard to get that deployed in the water. And we feel very confident that that's the next thing we get to do. Well, for us, that's a double bonus, right?

Speaker 2

We've got GDI doing all that interpretation work, but we're taking the video and we're doing laser scanning with ROVs. So anything that creates more dive time for ROVs pays us twice. And so we're pretty excited about things like that. So when we're watching the M and A space, we're really looking for the things that we are truly the best owner of.

Operator

That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Rauerson for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Desiree. Since there are no more questions, I'll just wrap up by thanking everyone again for joining the call. And this concludes our fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four conference call. Have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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