NYSE:OR Osisko Gold Royalties Q4 2024 Earnings Report $23.35 -0.37 (-1.58%) Closing price 04/17/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$23.34 -0.01 (-0.05%) As of 04/17/2025 05:47 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Osisko Gold Royalties EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.16Consensus EPS $0.14Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/AOsisko Gold Royalties Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$56.74 millionExpected Revenue$68.31 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$11.57 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AOsisko Gold Royalties Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/19/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, February 20, 2025Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsOsisko Gold Royalties' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress ReleaseEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Osisko Gold Royalties Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 20, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:00:00Good morning, everybody, and thanks for being on today's call. For those of us in Quebec or Ontario, I hope the run on snow shovels will be behind us soon, so we can turn our minds to more temperate outdoor activities. Procedurally, I'll run through our prepared presentation, and then we'll subsequently open up the line for question and answer session. For those participating online via the webcast, you can submit your questions in advance through the webcast platform. Today's presentation will also be available and downloadable online through our corporate website. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:00:36Please note there are forward looking statements in this presentation from which actual results may differ. Also, please note that given we have now officially shifted our presentation currency to U. S. Dollars, the basis of presentation will all be in USD, unless otherwise noted. I'm joined on the call this morning by Frederic Ruel, the company's Chief Financial Officer and VP Finance, amongst the others as indicated on Slide three. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:01:07When looking at Ascisco's full year 2024 and as noted in our preliminary Q4 twenty twenty four numbers that we released back in early January, the company had a very solid year, all things considered. Ascisco earned 20,005 gold equivalent ounces in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, which allowed us to end the year at 80,740 geos in aggregate, a figure that came in slightly above the midpoint of the company's revised guidance of 77,000 to 83,000 geos for the full year 2024. Buoyed by strong precious metals prices, Osisko achieved record annual revenues of US191.2 million dollars at a peer leading cash margin of 96.5%. Thanks to another strong annual performance from our cornerstone 5% royalty at Agnico Eagle's Canadian Malartic mine, as well as impressive results from our other operating partners. Esysco ended the 2024 year with $59,000,000 in cash and net debt of just under $35,000,000 after the company paid down almost $85,000,000 against its revolving credit facility throughout 2024. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:02:25Recall that draws against the facility were made in Q4 twenty twenty four upon the closing of both the Dal Garanga royalty transaction as well as the Gibraltar Silver Stream amendments, both of which were announced and closed last year. With respect to our ongoing commitment to return capital to shareholders, the company declared and paid its quarterly dividend of CAD 0.065 per share in Q4, marking its forty first consecutive dividend with over C316 million dollars return to shareholders from these distributions. Subsequent to the quarter, the Cisco's Board approved a quarterly dividend of $0.065 per common share payable on 04/15/2025 to shareholders of record as of close of business on 03/31/2025. Not only does our long term growth trajectory still spell great things coming for a Cisco five years out, but the company is also still expecting geo delivery growth in 2025 over 2024. However, the slope of that growth is likely less steep than we previously anticipated. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:03:39More on that later. We're extremely proud of the just under US300 million dollars of transactions that we committed to and or closed in 2024, marking that the second consecutive year in which Assysco deployed capital of a similar quantum. With respect to our opportunity set, the company's pipeline continues to remain robust with our corporate development team running at full steam. And we remain optimistic that Ascisco will complete at least one or possibly two meaningful transactions in 2025. We now pivot to the company's financial performance for the full year of 2024. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:04:21For those that are interested, quarterly numbers for Q4 can be found in the appendix of today's presentation. As previously noted, annual revenues were a record for the company and effectively tracked higher year over year precious metal prices, despite lower reported year over year geo deliveries when compared to the full year of 2023. '20 '20 '4 net earnings of $0.09 per share represented a substantial increase over 2023, the latter of which was affected primarily by significant non cash impairment charges on investments. Most importantly though, 2024 saw yet another year over year improvement in cash flow per share, the seventh consecutive year of cash flow per share increases, as well as positive annual adjusted earnings of $0.52 per common share. As at the end of twenty twenty four, the company had 21 producing assets with the addition of our newest production asset, the Nandimi mine in Ghana, where it was reported that the mine did reach the significant milestone of pouring its first gold in November of last year. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:05:33Esysco's geos earned in 2024 come predominantly from Canada, and we derive just over 93% of our geos from precious metals, gold representing 67% and silver at 27% with the remainder coming primarily from copper. In terms of contributions to Asysco's GEO delivery profile, a key difference heading into 2025 is that the other category now primarily consists of copper versus previous years where that category used to primarily consist of diamonds. This will continue going forward as 2025 should be the first full year of contributions from the CSA copper stream. Asysco's near to medium term, we'll see additional base metal contributions in the form of South thirty two's Hermosa Taylor and Merameca Copper's MOD project. Some comments on specific mine performances during the 2024 year before speaking about a couple of our more material assets in greater detail. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:06:39The Canadian Malartic had yet another impressive year. The Ignico continued to source ore feed primarily from the Barnett Pit. The asset remains the Cisco's most significant contributor to GEOs earned by a solid, solid margin. We don't expect that to change anytime soon and we could not be more pleased about this. Performance from Capstone's Mantos Blancos operation unfortunately experienced a year over year decrease in large part due to milling rates well below Phase one expansion design levels of 20,000 tonne per day. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:07:14Recall that given our two month lag of the silver stream from Mantos, Cisco's geo delivery year effectively ended on 10/31/2024. Now the good news is that since then, Capstone has reported in the final two months of 2024 and now also into 2025, the mill has been operating comfortably at Phase one nameplate throughput. We truly believe that as it relates to the previous throughput bottlenecks at Mantos Blanco's, Capstone has officially turned the corner. I'd like to recognize their operational team on the significant achievement and I will speak more on Mantos Blanco's later in my remarks. As it relates to other assets, I would highlight how quickly Mack Copper's CSA has become a key asset for Ascisco, and that should continue into both 2025 and for many, many years to come. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:08:11We believe we are now in the early innings of what will be ongoing and meaningful geo growth coming from the Alamos Gold's Island Gold District, especially as our partner looks to complete its Phase three expansion at Island, including the shaft in the first half of twenty twenty six. As I mentioned earlier, the number of currently producing assets in our portfolio actually stands at 20, if Nandini is excluded. And despite our understanding that the mine poured its first gold back in November 2024, our first meaningful payment from Nandini is now expected to be received in the second half of twenty twenty five and will bring the number of producing and or paying assets to 21. At this stage, in terms of our organic growth, we're expecting this '21 number to stay flat through 2025 with no new assets already in the portfolio expected to come online between now and the end of the year. If one were to ask what differentiates Ascisco from its peers, jurisdictions with limited geopolitical strife is certainly at the top of the list. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:09:21On Slide eight, Osisko's exposure to Tier one mining jurisdictions, which we've defined as Canada, U. S. And Australia is second to none. This slide compares Assysco to its peers on a net asset value basis, so accounts for both current and future exposure. As you can see, Assysco stands out versus its relevant peer set by a very sizable margin. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:09:47This peer leading exposure to Tier one minuteing jurisdictions remain a top consideration when assessing new opportunities for our company. As such, it is no accident that Ascisco was the only company amongst those on the page that in 2024 to have actually increased its NAV exposure in these jurisdictions, primarily through the Dalgaranga acquisition and the Gibraltar amendment. I would like to note that if you were to strictly look on a geo basis for 2024, our exposure to Tier one minuteing jurisdictions is roughly the same as our net asset value at 78%. Before I discuss Ascisco's updated 2025 guidance and twenty twenty nine five year outlook, I wanted to take some time to highlight a couple of our key assets in our portfolio. And I'll start with the asset that will likely be providing the biggest number of positive external catalysts to Asysco in 2025, at least as it relates to crystallizing its pathway towards future growth, and that is Alamos' gold Island Gold District. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:10:56Prior to the completion of the Phase three expansion shaft at Island in the first half of twenty twenty six and the subsequent doubling of underground mining rates, Alamos is expecting to roll out a trifecta of good news over the next twelve months. In fact, we've already received the first of the three pieces of good news with Alamos recently announcing the ninth consecutive annual increase in reserves. This updated mineral reserve will serve as a basis for an updated life of mine plan at Island Gold District, which now obviously includes Island Gold, Magino and the Magino Mill. This life of mine plan is a second piece of good news and is expected to be released in mid-twenty twenty five. Finally, before the end of the year, Alamos is expected to release the results of an Island Gold District expansion study, which could potentially see underground mining rates increase beyond the current expectation of 2,400 tonnes per day. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:11:59We would expect or we would recommend our shareholders to continue to watch this space as Alamos continues to take what was already a phenomenal asset and makes it even bigger and better. Just under a week ago, Ignico Eagle provided a comprehensive update as it relates to our cornerstone asset, the Canadian Malartic Complex. And as always, there are certainly some key items of note. First, the assets 2025 guidance was decreased slightly versus previous expectations due to Igneco finishing off the necessary technical work to allow for continued in pit tailings disposal. This works is expected to be completed in Q2, meaning the main impact of this adjustment will be seen in the first quarter. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:12:50Second, what could be seen as a modest loss of ounces in 2025 as being more than made up by increased production from the mine in 2027, surpassing previous expectations. Largely thanks to progress being made underground with Odyssey, now expected to contribute an impressive 240,000 ounces to the overall mix at Canadian Malartic that year. Of note, for 2026, expectations were largely unchanged. Thirdly, exploration continues to be a key focus for Agneco at Canadian Malartic. With $40,000,000 of spending expected in 2025. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:13:33These results will help provide the geological data that will inform future expansions at Odyssey, including a conceptual second shaft scenario. Exploration initiatives continue to pay dividends for Igneco, with Igneco last week announcing the discovery of the new underground eclipse zone, which is fully covered by a 5% royalty. Finally, some additional information was provided in terms of Igneco's vision to bring the complex to 1,000,000 ounces of production in the 2030s. This would include a second shaft in addition to the recently consolidated regional opportunities to fill the mill. Studies are underway on Marvin, of which Cisco has roughly a 0.9% NSR for 15,000 ton per day through the Malartic mill as early as 02/1933. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:14:29While Agnico is looking at Wassomac supplying 3,000 tons per day at some point going forward. And while Ascisco has no royalty on Wassamack, it should be noted that we would receive our $0.4 per tonne royalty, milling royalty as well as when Marvin does come into the Canadian Malartic Milling Complex. Now quickly revisiting Mantos Blancos on Slide 12, and more specifically as it relates to our 2025 outlook. As previously noted, we remain convinced that Capstone has now put the throughput bottlenecks behind them, as further evidenced by the information they released last night after market close. However, while the plant throughput challenges have seemingly been solved, silver grades are not expected to pick up until the second half of twenty twenty five. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:15:27And this provides a good segue as we move into the next slide. On Slide 13, where we've outlined both the company's 2025 GEO delivery guidance, as well as the updated five year growth outlook to 2029. Starting with 2025, Sysco expects GEO's earned to range between $80,000 to $88,000 in 2025 at an average cash margin of approximately $0.97 The 2025 guidance assumes Capstone's Mentos Blancos mine will continue to operate at its Phase one nameplate throughput capacity of 20,000 tonnes per day, as well as the commencement of meaningful payments associated with the GEOs earned from the Nandini mine in the second half of twenty twenty five. In addition, the guidance assumes a full year of GEOs earned from the copper stream from Mac Copper's CSA mine and the NSR royalty at G Mining's TZ mine. And while we are extremely excited to have the CSA copper stream as a growing material contributor to our overall geo delivery mix, our new 2025 guidance reflects the current consensus copper gold ratio, which is obviously tilted in gold's favor as of late. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:16:48This might technically impact GEO guidance, but clearly we're not complaining about a nearly $3,000 per ounce gold price as it relates to our growing cash flows, given we're still about 94% exposed to precious metals. While we previously had expected to see a larger step change in 2025 over 2024, we have provided what we think is a realistic range based on our very recently updated understanding on the following: A, the mine sequencing at both Igneco's Canadian Malartic Complex and the AK deposit at Macassa B, the silver grade sequencing at Capstone's Montos Blancos mine over the course of the year and C, slower than previously anticipated ramp ups from some of our newer production assets. After considering these more asset specific profiles, our expectation is that the GEOs delivered to Assisco in 2025 will be back half weighted, likely close to a 40 five-fifty five split. Switching to the updated five year outlook to 2029, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone to see this range lower than our last year's 2028 outlook due in large part to the absence of the Eagle mine. In other words, Eagle is not included in our 2029 outlook. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:18:20As Cisco had been previously expecting approximately 10,000 GEOs earned from Eagle for that future year. Eagle has now been partially offset by the addition of Dalgaranga, where first production could come as early as late twenty twenty six. In terms of new development assets expected to contribute about half of this overall growth, we are only officially including Dalgaranga, Windfall, Hermosa and Maramacca within these estimates. With the balance of the growth to be fueled by the expansions and production profiles from some of our other key operating partners. In addition, we've included the Mantos Blanco's Phase two expansion in our optionality bar, but we'll have a better idea on the timeline there in the fourth quarter of this year, at which point Capstone is expected to release an updated technical report for Mantos, including the feasibility study work around the planned Phase two expansion to 27,000 to 30,000 ton per day of planned throughput. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:19:27I'll once again reiterate as I often do that all of the growth you see here out to 2029 is completely bought and paid for. In other words, there is absolutely zero contingent capital associated with the Cisco realizing its geo delivery growth over the next five years. Finally, touching briefly again on Eagle, progress under the direction of the Internal Review Board, the receiver and the territorial government continues to move forward, but slower than previously expected. Based on what we understand today, the Internal Review Board is scheduled to provide its final report on the root cause analysis to key stakeholders, including the receiver by no later than June fifteen of this year. Underpinning this updated growth profile is a list of near term catalysts from our key assets that we provided on Slide 14, with additional catalysts provided in this presentation's appendix. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:20:32We've already highlighted what we can expect from Agneco, Alamos and Capstone, but as many of you know, exciting details continue to emerge in terms of future growth and expansions at our other key assets, including Mac Copper's CSA. On the newer asset slide of things, I would flag that expectations have been set by our new partner Spartan Resources to have a feasibility study completed on the Dalgaranga project by mid-twenty twenty five, which we think will be followed quickly by final investment decision given this brownfield project is now fully permitted and also largely funded. Finally, we'll end the formal part of the presentation on Slide 12, which outlines the current state of Ascisco's balance sheet. Sorry, we're on Slide 15, correct? All in U. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:21:29S. Dollars, our new presentation currency as of this quarter. At quarter end, we had total debt of just under $94,000,000 and net debt of only $35,000,000 As we stated previously, the covenant performance is exceptionally strong with our 96% cash margins experienced in 2024 and expected to continue throughout the year, thanks to our royalty heavy portfolio of producing assets. Our much improved balance sheet is one of the key achievements we are proud of in 2024, especially in light of the near US300 million dollars of new transactions closed or committed to over the same time period. As I mentioned in the past, despite our impressive organic growth profile, Assisco doesn't expect to sit on its hands in 2025. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:22:21Our financial position provides the company with the capacity and flexibility to continue its strategy of disciplined allocation in the pursuit of high quality, accretive precious metal streams and royalties that will bolster the company's current and near term geo deliveries and cash flow that should accrue to our shareholders benefit. And with that, I'd like to thank everyone for listening today. We'll now open up the line for questions, as well as questions posted on the webcast. If we don't get to all the questions on the line, we'll make sure to respond offline to those that we don't cover during this webcast. Joel, operator? Operator00:23:05Thank And your first question comes from Tanya Jakusconek with Scotiabank. Your line is now open. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:23:32Great. Good morning. I think that's me. Morning, the team. I just wanted to circle back on the outline for 2025 and you did mention the 40 fivefifty 5, Jason, for the production profile. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:23:50Does that mean that Q1 and Q2 are relatively equal? Again, I know pricing changes this, but on what we know today is Q1 are Q1 and Q2 equal and then we see that stronger Q4 and we have a bigger bump in Q3? I'm just trying to understand the year. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:24:09Yes, look, very good question. Thank you, Tanya. And as you can appreciate, we don't give quarter to quarter guidance. However, what we can say is, certainly as we said in my remarks, the Q2 does pick up. The one of the bigger drivers with our obviously our core asset being Canadian Malartic and they've disclosed this will have a weaker than anticipated what we anticipated Q1. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:24:34So you can think Q1 will be the weakest quarter over the 2025 with obviously some improvement going into Q2, representing again about 45% of the GEOs delivered and then the back half Q3, Q4, with Q4 having the effectively Q3, Q4 having stronger quarters and making up that 55% of the deals delivered over the course of 2025. I hope that provides a little bit more clarity. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:25:05Yes. No, it was just looking at some of the ramp ups that you had mentioned. Definitely Canadian Mallard made sense and then just the Nandini royalty Nandini's contribution would be the other one coming in, in the second half. So I think we got all of the ones in line for that profile. Second question I have has to do on your capital allocation. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:25:30So second question is on the business itself, the transaction opportunities and then the third is on the dividend and share buyback. So just on my second question, which is the investment in the business, I just wanted to ask again, what are the opportunities that you yourself are seeing out there, size wise and sort of you focus on production versus development? And then I'm interested in the bigger opportunities that are out there. How big could you go and would you be interested in syndication of any transaction? So let's start there. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:26:12There's a lot to unpack there. Thank you, Tanya, for that question. Maybe I'll start firstly with the last question around syndication. Obviously in 2024, as everyone knows, we did do a syndicated deal with Franco. So I think that answers the question that we're certainly open to doing syndicated deals. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:26:29We think it makes a lot of sense in certain circumstances. And obviously the deal that we did with Casquivel, there was a unique set of circumstances that benefited both ourselves and Franco. So certainly are open to syndicated deals and that also feeds well or relates to your question on sizing because clearly if we did do syndicated deals being a Cisco and intermediate golden royalty of streaming, we can certainly punch well above our weight and look at transactions around the $1,000,000,000 plus, again, if we did some smart syndication. Again, that flow is into the opportunity set. So the opportunity set currently, I would say is very robust, where our team has certainly got a lot of files that we're working through. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:27:18I wouldn't say though and caution the analysts and investors, I wouldn't say it's as frenetic as it was mid-twenty twenty four. We're certainly seeing some opportunities specifically in the copper space either being paused and or groups just doing more studies. And as you can appreciate these big expansions and or acquisitions or development builds with base metal copper assets in particular are multi billion dollar commitments. And again, as you know, obviously gold has significantly outperformed copper over the past at least six, seven months. So, we're starting to see some trepidation, let's just say by various boards and others of fully endorsing projects that are $1,000,000,000 few years spend, for which again we being a Cisco, we're looking at doing obviously capital providing financing on streams of precious metals, specifically silver and or gold. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:28:22Moving to the capital allocation question, and first and foremost, as you know, our business is to acquire very good high quality assets in very good jurisdictions with strong technical acumen partners. That is our core business. As I said, our pipeline is robust. So we continue to look at opportunities, but we will be disciplined. We do have to obviously make return for our shareholders. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:28:52We're cognizant about our hurdle rates. We will be disciplined as we deploy that capital, but that really is the main focus of the company. We do, as you know, pay a dividend. And again, it wouldn't be again, rule of thumb, as you know, is historically we paid out anywhere between 20% to 30%, twenty %, twenty five % of our operating cash flow in a dividend. If you just take what we presented in terms of our 2025 GEO profile, you impute what the existing commodity prices are. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:29:28I think it's fair to say come May when we actually take it to our Board, there should be again all things being equal and commodity prices being what they're at, there should be a recommendation by this management team to our Board to increase our dividend. And we'd like to keep that cadence up of once per year evaluating the business. And if appropriate, we'd increase our dividend to our shareholders, given the fact that our yield where we obviously follow that our dividend yield somewhere around 1% or just under 1%. Again, there was a lot to unpack there, Tanya. I don't know if you had other questions. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:30:05Yes, I did have some follow-up. So just on the transaction, I didn't quite get what size range you are seeing and are the opportunities that you are seeing either in the development, it seems, rather than already in production? And are we looking for opportunities in 02/1930 and beyond? I'm just trying to understand how far out these opportunities from a timing perspective? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:30:32So our focus is not 02/1930 and beyond. We obviously have a responsibility to look at anything that does come in that's of quality. So I will caveat that. In terms of our sweet spot, again, given how we think about our balance sheet and Fred, our CFO, thinks about our balance sheet, We're very comfortable, and this is U. S. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:30:53Dollars, of doing transactions between $50,000,000 and $500,000,000 The majority of the pipeline that we're looking at fits well within that $50,000,000 to $500,000,000 I would say on a weighted basis, there's more $50,000,000 transactions than $500,000,000 as I think you can appreciate that they're rare, but we certainly have a few opportunities in that $500,000,000 and even slightly above that. But that's really where our sweet spot is, Tanya. And we're seeing plenty of flow that we think, again, as I stated, if we can get one or two of those transactions across the line in 2025, we'll be very happy because we think that will all accrue to shareholders benefit. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:31:35So if we're looking at a shorter timeframe, I would assume that you would be looking at probably more advanced projects and the development phase to be in this time frame of beyond 02/1930 sorry beyond Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:31:50'4? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:31:50Our criteria, yes, our main criteria is either cash flowing assets or assets that will have an impact within our five year outlook. So receiving GOs cash flow consideration prior to the end of again what we put out our five year outlook to 2029. Again, there's always exceptions to those, but that's really what our focus is. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:32:14And then my last question just circles back to shareholder returns. We didn't touch on any share buybacks. How do you rank your share buyback versus your dividend in terms of returning capital? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:32:28Yes. So the way we look at share buybacks is certainly a tool. I mean, we did do some share buybacks as you recall in 2024, a whopping 26,000 shares. I mean, it wasn't much, we know that, but that was directly after again, we had the disappointment with respect to Eagle. And we believed as a management team that from an internal NAV or internal value perspective, there was good value for us to go and buy back shares. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:32:59And you can see in our disclosure that was slightly below CAD23 for which we bought back, it was only CAD26000, but we're obviously restricted to in terms of volume per day that we can we'd like we have liked to bought back a bit more than that. But we'll be again disciplined when we think about buybacks as well. If we believe that there's a dislocation and what we think fundamental value is versus what's obviously in the capital markets, we will step in, we can buy up to 9,900,000.0 shares in the marketplace. So, again, we will be active if we see the opportunity and really be opportunistic about lowering our share count because as you know, we've talked about this before, this team in particular is very focused on per share metrics. If we can get more exposure to our shareholders to assets on a per share basis like Malartic, like Mentos, like CSA, those are high quality accretive transactions for our shareholders. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:34:01Okay. Thank you for taking my questions. I'll pass it to somebody else. Thank you. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:34:06A pleasure. Stay warm Tanya. Thank you. Operator00:34:17Your next question comes from Adrian Dey with Adrian Dey Asset Management. Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:34:24Yes, good morning. Thank you. Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:34:27You're Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:34:27obviously very comfortable and like your copper exposure. I'm just wondering a sort of hypothetical question, if an opportunity came along to perhaps exchange your copper assets for a good quality gold asset, would that be something you'd be willing to do? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:34:52Look, it's an interesting question, Adrian, and thank you for your question. I think, again, we're an organization that's opened and we I think we've evidenced in 2024 and before that we're quite creative on ensuring that we're open to the transactions and structures that are accretive to shareholder value. We as an organization, we are and I'd be very clear and I've been clear with yourself that we are a precious metal vehicle. We'll continue to be a precious metal vehicle. However, we do like certain base metal commodities. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:35:24We do have a positive constructive view on copper. If there's opportunities in a high quality asset that we can pick up some more copper, like what we've done with CSA, we certainly will do that. But to answer directly your question, if we see value and there's a good arbitrage of swapping copper out for precious, it all comes down to whether or not that's going to be accretive to shareholders. So yes is the answer. I think it would be a specific set of circumstances. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:35:53I don't think it's the easiest kind of transaction to facilitate for a whole host of reasons that you would know, but we certainly would be open to it because again, the main thesis and thrust that we put out from an investment perspective is that we are a precious metals vehicle. Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:36:11Okay. Okay. Now that's helpful. Thank you. Operator00:36:16There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:36:25Thank you, Joelle. Thanks for your attention this morning. We know that all of you are in the midst of a very busy earning season, so appreciate you calling in. If for whatever reason your question wasn't answered today or you're looking for more information about our business, please don't hesitate to reach out to Grant or any of the other executives as we are very happy to engage and provide further information. In closing, we believe we've laid out the parameters for successful 2025 for our shareholders and look further to providing further updates as we progress through our fiscal year 2025. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:37:01Thank you very much for your attention today. Operator00:37:04Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:00:00Good morning, everybody, and thanks for being on today's call. For those of us in Quebec or Ontario, I hope the run on snow shovels will be behind us soon, so we can turn our minds to more temperate outdoor activities. Procedurally, I'll run through our prepared presentation, and then we'll subsequently open up the line for question and answer session. For those participating online via the webcast, you can submit your questions in advance through the webcast platform. Today's presentation will also be available and downloadable online through our corporate website. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:00:36Please note there are forward looking statements in this presentation from which actual results may differ. Also, please note that given we have now officially shifted our presentation currency to U. S. Dollars, the basis of presentation will all be in USD, unless otherwise noted. I'm joined on the call this morning by Frederic Ruel, the company's Chief Financial Officer and VP Finance, amongst the others as indicated on Slide three. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:01:07When looking at Ascisco's full year 2024 and as noted in our preliminary Q4 twenty twenty four numbers that we released back in early January, the company had a very solid year, all things considered. Ascisco earned 20,005 gold equivalent ounces in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, which allowed us to end the year at 80,740 geos in aggregate, a figure that came in slightly above the midpoint of the company's revised guidance of 77,000 to 83,000 geos for the full year 2024. Buoyed by strong precious metals prices, Osisko achieved record annual revenues of US191.2 million dollars at a peer leading cash margin of 96.5%. Thanks to another strong annual performance from our cornerstone 5% royalty at Agnico Eagle's Canadian Malartic mine, as well as impressive results from our other operating partners. Esysco ended the 2024 year with $59,000,000 in cash and net debt of just under $35,000,000 after the company paid down almost $85,000,000 against its revolving credit facility throughout 2024. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:02:25Recall that draws against the facility were made in Q4 twenty twenty four upon the closing of both the Dal Garanga royalty transaction as well as the Gibraltar Silver Stream amendments, both of which were announced and closed last year. With respect to our ongoing commitment to return capital to shareholders, the company declared and paid its quarterly dividend of CAD 0.065 per share in Q4, marking its forty first consecutive dividend with over C316 million dollars return to shareholders from these distributions. Subsequent to the quarter, the Cisco's Board approved a quarterly dividend of $0.065 per common share payable on 04/15/2025 to shareholders of record as of close of business on 03/31/2025. Not only does our long term growth trajectory still spell great things coming for a Cisco five years out, but the company is also still expecting geo delivery growth in 2025 over 2024. However, the slope of that growth is likely less steep than we previously anticipated. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:03:39More on that later. We're extremely proud of the just under US300 million dollars of transactions that we committed to and or closed in 2024, marking that the second consecutive year in which Assysco deployed capital of a similar quantum. With respect to our opportunity set, the company's pipeline continues to remain robust with our corporate development team running at full steam. And we remain optimistic that Ascisco will complete at least one or possibly two meaningful transactions in 2025. We now pivot to the company's financial performance for the full year of 2024. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:04:21For those that are interested, quarterly numbers for Q4 can be found in the appendix of today's presentation. As previously noted, annual revenues were a record for the company and effectively tracked higher year over year precious metal prices, despite lower reported year over year geo deliveries when compared to the full year of 2023. '20 '20 '4 net earnings of $0.09 per share represented a substantial increase over 2023, the latter of which was affected primarily by significant non cash impairment charges on investments. Most importantly though, 2024 saw yet another year over year improvement in cash flow per share, the seventh consecutive year of cash flow per share increases, as well as positive annual adjusted earnings of $0.52 per common share. As at the end of twenty twenty four, the company had 21 producing assets with the addition of our newest production asset, the Nandimi mine in Ghana, where it was reported that the mine did reach the significant milestone of pouring its first gold in November of last year. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:05:33Esysco's geos earned in 2024 come predominantly from Canada, and we derive just over 93% of our geos from precious metals, gold representing 67% and silver at 27% with the remainder coming primarily from copper. In terms of contributions to Asysco's GEO delivery profile, a key difference heading into 2025 is that the other category now primarily consists of copper versus previous years where that category used to primarily consist of diamonds. This will continue going forward as 2025 should be the first full year of contributions from the CSA copper stream. Asysco's near to medium term, we'll see additional base metal contributions in the form of South thirty two's Hermosa Taylor and Merameca Copper's MOD project. Some comments on specific mine performances during the 2024 year before speaking about a couple of our more material assets in greater detail. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:06:39The Canadian Malartic had yet another impressive year. The Ignico continued to source ore feed primarily from the Barnett Pit. The asset remains the Cisco's most significant contributor to GEOs earned by a solid, solid margin. We don't expect that to change anytime soon and we could not be more pleased about this. Performance from Capstone's Mantos Blancos operation unfortunately experienced a year over year decrease in large part due to milling rates well below Phase one expansion design levels of 20,000 tonne per day. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:07:14Recall that given our two month lag of the silver stream from Mantos, Cisco's geo delivery year effectively ended on 10/31/2024. Now the good news is that since then, Capstone has reported in the final two months of 2024 and now also into 2025, the mill has been operating comfortably at Phase one nameplate throughput. We truly believe that as it relates to the previous throughput bottlenecks at Mantos Blanco's, Capstone has officially turned the corner. I'd like to recognize their operational team on the significant achievement and I will speak more on Mantos Blanco's later in my remarks. As it relates to other assets, I would highlight how quickly Mack Copper's CSA has become a key asset for Ascisco, and that should continue into both 2025 and for many, many years to come. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:08:11We believe we are now in the early innings of what will be ongoing and meaningful geo growth coming from the Alamos Gold's Island Gold District, especially as our partner looks to complete its Phase three expansion at Island, including the shaft in the first half of twenty twenty six. As I mentioned earlier, the number of currently producing assets in our portfolio actually stands at 20, if Nandini is excluded. And despite our understanding that the mine poured its first gold back in November 2024, our first meaningful payment from Nandini is now expected to be received in the second half of twenty twenty five and will bring the number of producing and or paying assets to 21. At this stage, in terms of our organic growth, we're expecting this '21 number to stay flat through 2025 with no new assets already in the portfolio expected to come online between now and the end of the year. If one were to ask what differentiates Ascisco from its peers, jurisdictions with limited geopolitical strife is certainly at the top of the list. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:09:21On Slide eight, Osisko's exposure to Tier one mining jurisdictions, which we've defined as Canada, U. S. And Australia is second to none. This slide compares Assysco to its peers on a net asset value basis, so accounts for both current and future exposure. As you can see, Assysco stands out versus its relevant peer set by a very sizable margin. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:09:47This peer leading exposure to Tier one minuteing jurisdictions remain a top consideration when assessing new opportunities for our company. As such, it is no accident that Ascisco was the only company amongst those on the page that in 2024 to have actually increased its NAV exposure in these jurisdictions, primarily through the Dalgaranga acquisition and the Gibraltar amendment. I would like to note that if you were to strictly look on a geo basis for 2024, our exposure to Tier one minuteing jurisdictions is roughly the same as our net asset value at 78%. Before I discuss Ascisco's updated 2025 guidance and twenty twenty nine five year outlook, I wanted to take some time to highlight a couple of our key assets in our portfolio. And I'll start with the asset that will likely be providing the biggest number of positive external catalysts to Asysco in 2025, at least as it relates to crystallizing its pathway towards future growth, and that is Alamos' gold Island Gold District. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:10:56Prior to the completion of the Phase three expansion shaft at Island in the first half of twenty twenty six and the subsequent doubling of underground mining rates, Alamos is expecting to roll out a trifecta of good news over the next twelve months. In fact, we've already received the first of the three pieces of good news with Alamos recently announcing the ninth consecutive annual increase in reserves. This updated mineral reserve will serve as a basis for an updated life of mine plan at Island Gold District, which now obviously includes Island Gold, Magino and the Magino Mill. This life of mine plan is a second piece of good news and is expected to be released in mid-twenty twenty five. Finally, before the end of the year, Alamos is expected to release the results of an Island Gold District expansion study, which could potentially see underground mining rates increase beyond the current expectation of 2,400 tonnes per day. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:11:59We would expect or we would recommend our shareholders to continue to watch this space as Alamos continues to take what was already a phenomenal asset and makes it even bigger and better. Just under a week ago, Ignico Eagle provided a comprehensive update as it relates to our cornerstone asset, the Canadian Malartic Complex. And as always, there are certainly some key items of note. First, the assets 2025 guidance was decreased slightly versus previous expectations due to Igneco finishing off the necessary technical work to allow for continued in pit tailings disposal. This works is expected to be completed in Q2, meaning the main impact of this adjustment will be seen in the first quarter. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:12:50Second, what could be seen as a modest loss of ounces in 2025 as being more than made up by increased production from the mine in 2027, surpassing previous expectations. Largely thanks to progress being made underground with Odyssey, now expected to contribute an impressive 240,000 ounces to the overall mix at Canadian Malartic that year. Of note, for 2026, expectations were largely unchanged. Thirdly, exploration continues to be a key focus for Agneco at Canadian Malartic. With $40,000,000 of spending expected in 2025. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:13:33These results will help provide the geological data that will inform future expansions at Odyssey, including a conceptual second shaft scenario. Exploration initiatives continue to pay dividends for Igneco, with Igneco last week announcing the discovery of the new underground eclipse zone, which is fully covered by a 5% royalty. Finally, some additional information was provided in terms of Igneco's vision to bring the complex to 1,000,000 ounces of production in the 2030s. This would include a second shaft in addition to the recently consolidated regional opportunities to fill the mill. Studies are underway on Marvin, of which Cisco has roughly a 0.9% NSR for 15,000 ton per day through the Malartic mill as early as 02/1933. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:14:29While Agnico is looking at Wassomac supplying 3,000 tons per day at some point going forward. And while Ascisco has no royalty on Wassamack, it should be noted that we would receive our $0.4 per tonne royalty, milling royalty as well as when Marvin does come into the Canadian Malartic Milling Complex. Now quickly revisiting Mantos Blancos on Slide 12, and more specifically as it relates to our 2025 outlook. As previously noted, we remain convinced that Capstone has now put the throughput bottlenecks behind them, as further evidenced by the information they released last night after market close. However, while the plant throughput challenges have seemingly been solved, silver grades are not expected to pick up until the second half of twenty twenty five. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:15:27And this provides a good segue as we move into the next slide. On Slide 13, where we've outlined both the company's 2025 GEO delivery guidance, as well as the updated five year growth outlook to 2029. Starting with 2025, Sysco expects GEO's earned to range between $80,000 to $88,000 in 2025 at an average cash margin of approximately $0.97 The 2025 guidance assumes Capstone's Mentos Blancos mine will continue to operate at its Phase one nameplate throughput capacity of 20,000 tonnes per day, as well as the commencement of meaningful payments associated with the GEOs earned from the Nandini mine in the second half of twenty twenty five. In addition, the guidance assumes a full year of GEOs earned from the copper stream from Mac Copper's CSA mine and the NSR royalty at G Mining's TZ mine. And while we are extremely excited to have the CSA copper stream as a growing material contributor to our overall geo delivery mix, our new 2025 guidance reflects the current consensus copper gold ratio, which is obviously tilted in gold's favor as of late. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:16:48This might technically impact GEO guidance, but clearly we're not complaining about a nearly $3,000 per ounce gold price as it relates to our growing cash flows, given we're still about 94% exposed to precious metals. While we previously had expected to see a larger step change in 2025 over 2024, we have provided what we think is a realistic range based on our very recently updated understanding on the following: A, the mine sequencing at both Igneco's Canadian Malartic Complex and the AK deposit at Macassa B, the silver grade sequencing at Capstone's Montos Blancos mine over the course of the year and C, slower than previously anticipated ramp ups from some of our newer production assets. After considering these more asset specific profiles, our expectation is that the GEOs delivered to Assisco in 2025 will be back half weighted, likely close to a 40 five-fifty five split. Switching to the updated five year outlook to 2029, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone to see this range lower than our last year's 2028 outlook due in large part to the absence of the Eagle mine. In other words, Eagle is not included in our 2029 outlook. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:18:20As Cisco had been previously expecting approximately 10,000 GEOs earned from Eagle for that future year. Eagle has now been partially offset by the addition of Dalgaranga, where first production could come as early as late twenty twenty six. In terms of new development assets expected to contribute about half of this overall growth, we are only officially including Dalgaranga, Windfall, Hermosa and Maramacca within these estimates. With the balance of the growth to be fueled by the expansions and production profiles from some of our other key operating partners. In addition, we've included the Mantos Blanco's Phase two expansion in our optionality bar, but we'll have a better idea on the timeline there in the fourth quarter of this year, at which point Capstone is expected to release an updated technical report for Mantos, including the feasibility study work around the planned Phase two expansion to 27,000 to 30,000 ton per day of planned throughput. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:19:27I'll once again reiterate as I often do that all of the growth you see here out to 2029 is completely bought and paid for. In other words, there is absolutely zero contingent capital associated with the Cisco realizing its geo delivery growth over the next five years. Finally, touching briefly again on Eagle, progress under the direction of the Internal Review Board, the receiver and the territorial government continues to move forward, but slower than previously expected. Based on what we understand today, the Internal Review Board is scheduled to provide its final report on the root cause analysis to key stakeholders, including the receiver by no later than June fifteen of this year. Underpinning this updated growth profile is a list of near term catalysts from our key assets that we provided on Slide 14, with additional catalysts provided in this presentation's appendix. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:20:32We've already highlighted what we can expect from Agneco, Alamos and Capstone, but as many of you know, exciting details continue to emerge in terms of future growth and expansions at our other key assets, including Mac Copper's CSA. On the newer asset slide of things, I would flag that expectations have been set by our new partner Spartan Resources to have a feasibility study completed on the Dalgaranga project by mid-twenty twenty five, which we think will be followed quickly by final investment decision given this brownfield project is now fully permitted and also largely funded. Finally, we'll end the formal part of the presentation on Slide 12, which outlines the current state of Ascisco's balance sheet. Sorry, we're on Slide 15, correct? All in U. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:21:29S. Dollars, our new presentation currency as of this quarter. At quarter end, we had total debt of just under $94,000,000 and net debt of only $35,000,000 As we stated previously, the covenant performance is exceptionally strong with our 96% cash margins experienced in 2024 and expected to continue throughout the year, thanks to our royalty heavy portfolio of producing assets. Our much improved balance sheet is one of the key achievements we are proud of in 2024, especially in light of the near US300 million dollars of new transactions closed or committed to over the same time period. As I mentioned in the past, despite our impressive organic growth profile, Assisco doesn't expect to sit on its hands in 2025. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:22:21Our financial position provides the company with the capacity and flexibility to continue its strategy of disciplined allocation in the pursuit of high quality, accretive precious metal streams and royalties that will bolster the company's current and near term geo deliveries and cash flow that should accrue to our shareholders benefit. And with that, I'd like to thank everyone for listening today. We'll now open up the line for questions, as well as questions posted on the webcast. If we don't get to all the questions on the line, we'll make sure to respond offline to those that we don't cover during this webcast. Joel, operator? Operator00:23:05Thank And your first question comes from Tanya Jakusconek with Scotiabank. Your line is now open. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:23:32Great. Good morning. I think that's me. Morning, the team. I just wanted to circle back on the outline for 2025 and you did mention the 40 fivefifty 5, Jason, for the production profile. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:23:50Does that mean that Q1 and Q2 are relatively equal? Again, I know pricing changes this, but on what we know today is Q1 are Q1 and Q2 equal and then we see that stronger Q4 and we have a bigger bump in Q3? I'm just trying to understand the year. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:24:09Yes, look, very good question. Thank you, Tanya. And as you can appreciate, we don't give quarter to quarter guidance. However, what we can say is, certainly as we said in my remarks, the Q2 does pick up. The one of the bigger drivers with our obviously our core asset being Canadian Malartic and they've disclosed this will have a weaker than anticipated what we anticipated Q1. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:24:34So you can think Q1 will be the weakest quarter over the 2025 with obviously some improvement going into Q2, representing again about 45% of the GEOs delivered and then the back half Q3, Q4, with Q4 having the effectively Q3, Q4 having stronger quarters and making up that 55% of the deals delivered over the course of 2025. I hope that provides a little bit more clarity. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:25:05Yes. No, it was just looking at some of the ramp ups that you had mentioned. Definitely Canadian Mallard made sense and then just the Nandini royalty Nandini's contribution would be the other one coming in, in the second half. So I think we got all of the ones in line for that profile. Second question I have has to do on your capital allocation. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:25:30So second question is on the business itself, the transaction opportunities and then the third is on the dividend and share buyback. So just on my second question, which is the investment in the business, I just wanted to ask again, what are the opportunities that you yourself are seeing out there, size wise and sort of you focus on production versus development? And then I'm interested in the bigger opportunities that are out there. How big could you go and would you be interested in syndication of any transaction? So let's start there. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:26:12There's a lot to unpack there. Thank you, Tanya, for that question. Maybe I'll start firstly with the last question around syndication. Obviously in 2024, as everyone knows, we did do a syndicated deal with Franco. So I think that answers the question that we're certainly open to doing syndicated deals. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:26:29We think it makes a lot of sense in certain circumstances. And obviously the deal that we did with Casquivel, there was a unique set of circumstances that benefited both ourselves and Franco. So certainly are open to syndicated deals and that also feeds well or relates to your question on sizing because clearly if we did do syndicated deals being a Cisco and intermediate golden royalty of streaming, we can certainly punch well above our weight and look at transactions around the $1,000,000,000 plus, again, if we did some smart syndication. Again, that flow is into the opportunity set. So the opportunity set currently, I would say is very robust, where our team has certainly got a lot of files that we're working through. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:27:18I wouldn't say though and caution the analysts and investors, I wouldn't say it's as frenetic as it was mid-twenty twenty four. We're certainly seeing some opportunities specifically in the copper space either being paused and or groups just doing more studies. And as you can appreciate these big expansions and or acquisitions or development builds with base metal copper assets in particular are multi billion dollar commitments. And again, as you know, obviously gold has significantly outperformed copper over the past at least six, seven months. So, we're starting to see some trepidation, let's just say by various boards and others of fully endorsing projects that are $1,000,000,000 few years spend, for which again we being a Cisco, we're looking at doing obviously capital providing financing on streams of precious metals, specifically silver and or gold. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:28:22Moving to the capital allocation question, and first and foremost, as you know, our business is to acquire very good high quality assets in very good jurisdictions with strong technical acumen partners. That is our core business. As I said, our pipeline is robust. So we continue to look at opportunities, but we will be disciplined. We do have to obviously make return for our shareholders. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:28:52We're cognizant about our hurdle rates. We will be disciplined as we deploy that capital, but that really is the main focus of the company. We do, as you know, pay a dividend. And again, it wouldn't be again, rule of thumb, as you know, is historically we paid out anywhere between 20% to 30%, twenty %, twenty five % of our operating cash flow in a dividend. If you just take what we presented in terms of our 2025 GEO profile, you impute what the existing commodity prices are. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:29:28I think it's fair to say come May when we actually take it to our Board, there should be again all things being equal and commodity prices being what they're at, there should be a recommendation by this management team to our Board to increase our dividend. And we'd like to keep that cadence up of once per year evaluating the business. And if appropriate, we'd increase our dividend to our shareholders, given the fact that our yield where we obviously follow that our dividend yield somewhere around 1% or just under 1%. Again, there was a lot to unpack there, Tanya. I don't know if you had other questions. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:30:05Yes, I did have some follow-up. So just on the transaction, I didn't quite get what size range you are seeing and are the opportunities that you are seeing either in the development, it seems, rather than already in production? And are we looking for opportunities in 02/1930 and beyond? I'm just trying to understand how far out these opportunities from a timing perspective? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:30:32So our focus is not 02/1930 and beyond. We obviously have a responsibility to look at anything that does come in that's of quality. So I will caveat that. In terms of our sweet spot, again, given how we think about our balance sheet and Fred, our CFO, thinks about our balance sheet, We're very comfortable, and this is U. S. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:30:53Dollars, of doing transactions between $50,000,000 and $500,000,000 The majority of the pipeline that we're looking at fits well within that $50,000,000 to $500,000,000 I would say on a weighted basis, there's more $50,000,000 transactions than $500,000,000 as I think you can appreciate that they're rare, but we certainly have a few opportunities in that $500,000,000 and even slightly above that. But that's really where our sweet spot is, Tanya. And we're seeing plenty of flow that we think, again, as I stated, if we can get one or two of those transactions across the line in 2025, we'll be very happy because we think that will all accrue to shareholders benefit. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:31:35So if we're looking at a shorter timeframe, I would assume that you would be looking at probably more advanced projects and the development phase to be in this time frame of beyond 02/1930 sorry beyond Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:31:50'4? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:31:50Our criteria, yes, our main criteria is either cash flowing assets or assets that will have an impact within our five year outlook. So receiving GOs cash flow consideration prior to the end of again what we put out our five year outlook to 2029. Again, there's always exceptions to those, but that's really what our focus is. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:32:14And then my last question just circles back to shareholder returns. We didn't touch on any share buybacks. How do you rank your share buyback versus your dividend in terms of returning capital? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:32:28Yes. So the way we look at share buybacks is certainly a tool. I mean, we did do some share buybacks as you recall in 2024, a whopping 26,000 shares. I mean, it wasn't much, we know that, but that was directly after again, we had the disappointment with respect to Eagle. And we believed as a management team that from an internal NAV or internal value perspective, there was good value for us to go and buy back shares. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:32:59And you can see in our disclosure that was slightly below CAD23 for which we bought back, it was only CAD26000, but we're obviously restricted to in terms of volume per day that we can we'd like we have liked to bought back a bit more than that. But we'll be again disciplined when we think about buybacks as well. If we believe that there's a dislocation and what we think fundamental value is versus what's obviously in the capital markets, we will step in, we can buy up to 9,900,000.0 shares in the marketplace. So, again, we will be active if we see the opportunity and really be opportunistic about lowering our share count because as you know, we've talked about this before, this team in particular is very focused on per share metrics. If we can get more exposure to our shareholders to assets on a per share basis like Malartic, like Mentos, like CSA, those are high quality accretive transactions for our shareholders. Tanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at Scotiabank00:34:01Okay. Thank you for taking my questions. I'll pass it to somebody else. Thank you. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:34:06A pleasure. Stay warm Tanya. Thank you. Operator00:34:17Your next question comes from Adrian Dey with Adrian Dey Asset Management. Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:34:24Yes, good morning. Thank you. Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:34:27You're Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:34:27obviously very comfortable and like your copper exposure. I'm just wondering a sort of hypothetical question, if an opportunity came along to perhaps exchange your copper assets for a good quality gold asset, would that be something you'd be willing to do? Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:34:52Look, it's an interesting question, Adrian, and thank you for your question. I think, again, we're an organization that's opened and we I think we've evidenced in 2024 and before that we're quite creative on ensuring that we're open to the transactions and structures that are accretive to shareholder value. We as an organization, we are and I'd be very clear and I've been clear with yourself that we are a precious metal vehicle. We'll continue to be a precious metal vehicle. However, we do like certain base metal commodities. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:35:24We do have a positive constructive view on copper. If there's opportunities in a high quality asset that we can pick up some more copper, like what we've done with CSA, we certainly will do that. But to answer directly your question, if we see value and there's a good arbitrage of swapping copper out for precious, it all comes down to whether or not that's going to be accretive to shareholders. So yes is the answer. I think it would be a specific set of circumstances. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:35:53I don't think it's the easiest kind of transaction to facilitate for a whole host of reasons that you would know, but we certainly would be open to it because again, the main thesis and thrust that we put out from an investment perspective is that we are a precious metals vehicle. Adrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset Management00:36:11Okay. Okay. Now that's helpful. Thank you. Operator00:36:16There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:36:25Thank you, Joelle. Thanks for your attention this morning. We know that all of you are in the midst of a very busy earning season, so appreciate you calling in. If for whatever reason your question wasn't answered today or you're looking for more information about our business, please don't hesitate to reach out to Grant or any of the other executives as we are very happy to engage and provide further information. In closing, we believe we've laid out the parameters for successful 2025 for our shareholders and look further to providing further updates as we progress through our fiscal year 2025. Jason AttewCEO, President & Director at Osisko Gold Royalties00:37:01Thank you very much for your attention today. Operator00:37:04Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJason AttewCEO, President & DirectorAnalystsTanya JakusconekDirector specializing in Gold & Precious Minerals at ScotiabankAdrian DayChairman and CEO at Adrian Day Asset ManagementPowered by