Repligen Q4 2024 Earnings Report $81.63 -1.13 (-1.37%) As of 01:17 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Autoliv EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.44Consensus EPS $0.41Beat/MissBeat by +$0.03One Year Ago EPSN/AAutoliv Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$167.55 millionExpected Revenue$167.58 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$25.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAutoliv Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/20/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, February 20, 2025Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsAutoliv's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, April 16, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryALV ProfilePowered by Repligen Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 20, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 15 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Repligen Corporation's Fourth Quarter of twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. My name is MJ, and I will be your coordinator. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note there will be a question and answer session following the company's formal remarks. The company would like to note there will be a limited timeframe for Q and A and as such management kindly requests that each individual ask one question to try to accommodate all. Operator00:00:41I would now like to turn the call over to your host for today's call, Sonja Newman, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:52Thank you, and welcome to our fourth quarter of twenty twenty four report. On this call, we will cover business highlights and financial performance for the three and twelve month periods ending 12/31/2024, and will provide financial guidance for the full year 2025. Joining us on the call today are Repligen's President and Chief Executive Officer, Olivier Leillot and our Chief Financial Officer, Jason Garland. As a reminder, the forward looking statements that we make during this call, including those regarding our business goals and expectations for the financial performance of the company, are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual events or results to differ. Additional information concerning risks related to our business is included in our quarterly reports on Form 10 Q, our annual report on Form 10 ks and our current reports on eight ks, including the report that we are filing today, as well as other filings that we make with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:01:54Today's comments reflect management's current views, which could change as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. The company does not obligate or commit itself to update forward looking statements except as required by law. During this call, we are providing non GAAP financial results and guidance unless otherwise noted. Reconciliations of GAAP to non GAAP financial measures are included in the press release that we issued this morning, which is posted to Repligen's website and on sec.gov. Adjusted non GAAP figures in today's report include the following: Non COVID and organic revenue and or revenue growth cost of goods sold gross profit and gross margin operating expenses, including R and D and SG and A income from operations and operating margin tax rate on pretax income, net income, diluted earnings per share, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA, as well as adjusted EBITDA margins. Speaker 100:02:54These adjusted financial figures should not be viewed as an alternative to GAAP measures, but are intended to best reflect the performance of our ongoing operations. Now, let me turn the call over to Olivier. Speaker 200:03:07Thank you, Sandra. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our twenty twenty four fourth quarter and year end reports. We are happy with the way we finished 2024. And in addition to reporting our financial results in detail, we will share our 2025 strategic priorities and provide financial guidance for the new year. We have a lot of reasons to be positive about 2025 as we put specific 2024 headwinds behind us and we see a return to growth for the bioprocessing market. Speaker 200:03:38I'm pleased to share that we achieved the midpoint of our November guidance, delivering fourth quarter revenue of $167,500,000 and full year revenue of $634,400,000 despite a $3,500,000 exchange rate headwind in the quarter. Product differentiation, excellent execution by our team and better market conditions have enabled us to deliver a 13% revenue growth ex COVID in the fourth quarter versus the previous year. Our orders were also very strong in the fourth quarter with the highest order intake we've had since quarter two of twenty twenty two, and it was a six straight quarters that orders outpaced non COVID revenue. In quarter four, we were delighted by the strong performance from CDMOs and equipment, key market sectors that have been slower to recover. With this momentum and as our funnel continues to grow, we are well positioned as we enter 2025. Speaker 200:04:36After a great rebound in quarter three, our CDMO business had an even better quarter with sales and orders up high double digit sequentially. In fact, thanks to that very strong CDMO finish, our full year 2024 sales growth was similar at CDMO and pharma, both up high single digits. We saw a similar pattern for equipment. Following a solid quarter three, equipment was another important standout in the fourth quarter with both sales and orders up more than 30% sequentially. Thanks to that strong equipment finish, our full year 2024 sales growth was similar for consumables and equipment, both up 810% respectively. Speaker 200:05:20At the franchise level, filtration had another excellent quarter, both from a revenue and order point of view, and analytics had a record quarter both in sales and orders since we acquired C Tech in 2019. And finally, 2024 has been a great year for new modalities with low double digit growth in both sales and orders as we build momentum with key accounts and new technology launches. Before entering into more detail, I would like to say that managing to deliver 3% of revenue growth in 2024, excluding COVID, and considering the huge headwinds in protein and China demonstrate the fantastic execution of our teams and the uniqueness of our portfolio. And in fact, our full year revenue was in line with our initial outlook in February 2024, adjusting for the restatement and additional currency headwinds. When I reflect on the full year, in addition to the forward momentum of the market and our results, I'm also very pleased with how the Repugent team executed on the five strategic priorities we set at the beginning of twenty twenty four. Speaker 200:06:27First, our high probability funnel has increased through the year, driving fourth quarter orders to their highest level over the last ten quarters. And even with very strong Q4 orders, we replenished the funnel. At the December, our greater than 50% probability funnel was up 16% versus the end of twenty twenty three. Our greatest sales organization, including our extended care account management team, have done well in 2024, training new leads at our top pharma and CDMO accounts and improving our portfolio visibility. Next, we launched several differentiated new products in 2024. Speaker 200:07:08Of note, in May, we launched our game changing cross flow RX10 RPM system, the first and only single use TFF system for bench scale GMP production with in line fully automated protein concentration measurements. In December, we launched the Advipure double stranded RNA resin sold through our Opus prepack columns. This resin using beads from our newly acquired Tanti business is remarkable in that it is the first affinity resin to remove the double stranded RNA impurity from transcribed RNA without heat of solvents. These and other launches in 2024 are offering innovative solution for customers' unmet needs and add to our differentiated portfolio. We estimate that about 80% of our business come from highly differentiated technologies, which are a cornerstone in helping to grow above the market. Speaker 200:08:04Our third priority was to further base on our wins in new modalities. Our sales in new modalities have increased low double digits and now represents approximately 20% of our total revenue. We now have 25 accounts with sales above $1,000,000 The next priority was the successful integration of Mettanova and preparing for the launch of new single use mixer technologies. We successfully integrated Mettinova with our fleet management team and we are planning to formally launch our single use mixers in quarter two of twenty twenty five. And finally, we further strengthened our discipline in cost control and expanded margin. Speaker 200:08:44Through select rooftop consolidation and additional restructuring actions, our operation teams have achieved targeted productivity gains. This has enabled us to finish the year with Q4 adjusted gross margin at 50.7%, adjusted operating margin at 14.9 and adjusted EBITDA margin at 20.9%. For the full year, we successfully expanded our adjusted gross margin by 140 basis points. Jason will discuss this further. In addition to our stated priorities in 2024, we have onboarded several experienced leaders from across the industry to strengthen our bench and position us well for years of growth. Speaker 200:09:27This includes, but is not limited to, quality, services, product management and sales. We believe the diversity of talents and experience Repligen has today will enable us to become further fit for growth. So moving now to our fourth quarter and full year revenue and orders performance. As you saw in our press release this morning, fourth quarter twenty twenty four sales stepped up from third quarter by nearly $13,000,000 to reach $167,500,000 and $634,400,000 for the full year. Excluding COVID, this was our highest quarter in sales in quarter three of twenty twenty two, even with the higher than anticipated currency headwinds of $3,500,000 in quarter four and May for the year. Speaker 200:10:14Excluding COVID, we delivered Q4 revenue of 138% sequential growth. For the full year, 2024 non COVID revenue growth came in as expected, up 3%. Moving to orders, our opportunity funnel delivered. Orders were exceptionally strong in quarter four, up 11% both sequentially and year over year. As I mentioned, this was the highest order intake we've had since the second quarter of twenty twenty two. Speaker 200:10:44For the full year 2024, total orders were up 9% with all franchises except proteins up over 10. During the quarter, orders outpaced sales by 6% and for the full year, orders outpaced non COVID sales by 4%. As it relates to customer segments, quarter four was another strong quarter for pharma supported by our key account focus. In quarter four, pharma sales were up mid single digit sequentially and up high single digit excluding COVID year over year. Quarter four pharma orders reached a record level and were up approximately 20% versus quarter four of twenty twenty three. Speaker 200:11:27While pharma revenue was similar between H2 and H1, orders were up about 15% and landing 17% up for full year 2024. Within pharma, the remaining challenge is small biotech. Though our sales in quarter four were on par with low ish quarter three sales, order increased over 10% sequentially. We are hoping this will continue in the first half of twenty twenty five, though we will need to continue to monitor the funding environment. Where pharma as a whole has been going very well for several quarters, we now see confirmation that CDMO business has improved more durably and was a standout in the quarter. Speaker 200:12:08This is the case for both Tier one and Tier two CDMOs. CDMO revenue was up 20% sequentially and more than 40% year over year. Orders in quarter four also grew more than 15% sequentially and 11% year over year. Quarter four orders from CDMOs was the highest since quarter one of twenty twenty two, excluding COVID. We saw activity accelerate through the year with H2 CDMO sales about 40% higher than H1 and orders nearly 20% higher. Speaker 200:12:41This really illustrates the recovery of a critical market segment that reflects the overall health of the ecosystem. Moving now to product type, whereas consumables have had a positive trend for several quarters, equipment showed strong improvement and was another standout in the fourth quarter. Consumable performance was consistently healthy through the year and remained strong in the fourth quarter with non COVID revenues up more than 20% year over year and at the highest level since quarter two of twenty twenty two. Quarter '4 was also the highest order quarter for consumables in the last twelve quarters, up nearly 10% sequentially and 25% year over year. We are particularly excited by the traction we have due to our increased design in ATF in late phase and commercial products, as well as single use consumable attached to our systems. Speaker 200:13:35Moving to equipment, the rebound we saw in quarter three accelerated in quarter four with both sales and orders up more than 30% sequentially and more than 10% year over year. Excluding COVID, our Q4 equipment orders reached a record level and while it was a slower start to the year for equipment, we saw a rebound with H2 orders approximately 25% higher than in H1. This reflects our success implementing ATF controllers at the majority of large pharma and CDMO companies, as well as starting to platform our TFF and Chrome systems. Our top quality systems coupled with our in line PAT flow technology are really disrupting the market and we're excited about the future considering that every system placed can generate a flow of consumable sales. Moving now to franchise level business highlights. Speaker 200:14:29The top performers in the fourth quarter were Filtration and Process Analytics. While Filtration continued its positive trend through the year, in Analytics, we saw a strong turn up in the fourth quarter, having been impacted by equipment softness in the prior periods. Proteins played out a bit better than we anticipated, and we expect a return to growth in 2025 after this year's results. Finally, chromatography saw a nice sales pickup in the fourth quarter. Drilling down in each franchise and starting with filtration, our year over year filtration revenues ex COVID were up 30% in the fourth quarter and 14% for the full year. Speaker 200:15:10The strong sales performance was across the portfolio, our largest and most diverse. Filtration revenue exceeded $370,000,000 for the year, up 9% and representing nearly 60% of our total revenue. Within the portfolio, XLATF had a great year and finished with top line growth above 50%. Filtration orders in the fourth quarter were up about 30%, both sequentially and year over year, setting us up well for 2025. Excluding COVID, Q4 filtration orders were the highest of the last twelve quarters. Speaker 200:15:47Systems and flow kits orders were also at a record level in quarter four. So overall, great performance in quarter four for the different components of our filtration business and with strong contribution from new product launches. As we see continued strength and momentum exiting 2024, our expectation for 2025 is that this franchise will be up 9% to 12% on a reported basis and up twelve point five percent to fifteen point five percent excluding COVID. In chromatography, our year over year revenues were up 10% in the fourth quarter and down 3% for the full year. Chromatography revenue of $123,000,000 represented approximately 20% of total revenue in 2024. Speaker 200:16:34As mentioned previously, the full year decline was impacted by the higher mix of columns versus ratings sales. On orders, Chrome was slightly down for the quarter, but up mid double digit for full year 2024. In 2025, we will focus on converting more large pharma companies to Opus pre pack column and Chromesystems, capitalizing on our powerful sales organization and leveraging technology differentiation. For 2025, we expect chromatography revenue growth in the range of 10% to 15%. In 2024, our proteins revenue was $74,000,000 a decline of 28%, which was actually better than our initial expectations. Speaker 200:17:18For the full year, we collected almost 10% more protein orders and sales. It has been a reset year with OEM ligand demand down to the minimum level. We had numerous custom ligand and resin wins in 2024 that we believe will become a true tailwind for the future. We are already seeing healthy demand for the AbiPure double stranded RNA resin launch in December and look forward to introducing additional resins for unmet purification needs in 2025. Our close collaboration with Purelight on monoclonal antibodies and our AviTide 20 combined offering for emerging modalities should enable us to get back to 10% to 15% growth in 2025 with more control and ownership of this franchise future. Speaker 200:18:04Finally, our Process Analytics sales in Qalfour were up 11% sequentially and up 8% year on year. For the full year, analytics sales were $59,000,000 an increase of 4% to 2023. We are seeing good order traction for analytics, which were up 10% for the year. In an overall very challenging environment for Analytical Equipment and thanks to our fast growing Flow VPX and RPM product lines, we had a solid year overall. We are happy to have experienced the highest quarter in the history of that business for both orders and sales in quarter four. Speaker 200:18:39And with this momentum, we expect analytics revenue growth of 5% to 10% for 2025. Jason will speak to the regional performance in his section, but I will comment that China was one of our key headwinds in 2024. We are currently planning on China sales being flat to 2024, and we remain optimistic about our long term growth potential in this region. On the upside, the rest of Asia Pac performed well in 2024 with full year sales up 12%. Transitioning to our 2025 outlook, we expect our revenue to grow low double digits excluding COVID and potential foreign exchange impact. Speaker 200:19:21Pacing is expected to track to our historical norms that is second half stronger than first half with Q1 being the weakest quarter and Q4 the strongest. Our full year guidance for 2025 is in the range of US685 million dollars to US710 million dollars up 8% to 12% on a reported basis and up ten percent to fourteen percent excluding COVID. The great order traction we had over the last two quarters combined with our stronger product management and commercial team and a better market environment gives us high confidence in achieving our targets. To deliver these results, our twenty twenty five strategic priorities will center on the following: number one is accelerating and maintaining above market growth by further improving customer experience and focusing on accelerated growth at key accounts and in Asia. Number two is capitalizing on our best in class innovation with increased investment in R and D. Speaker 200:20:19We already launched SOLO plus in our analytics business at the beginning of this year. We will also be particularly focused on our single use mixers launch as well as several new ligands and resin for new modalities. Number three is increasing our margins by 100 to 200 basis points, combining pricing discipline and achieving our RPS activity targets. Number four is maintaining our ambition to acquire one to two businesses to further strengthen our position with a focus on new modalities and PAT. And finally, number five is becoming further fit for growth and positioning ourselves to be a significantly bigger business in the not too distant future. Speaker 200:21:00We will focus on implementing key tools for our human resources management and also creating a project management office to manage our key strategic program, including M and A integration, site consolidation and other key EBITDA generating projects. In summary, we are excited as we enter 2025. We have a great combination of the right team, products and market environment to deliver upon our priorities and goals. Our strong balance sheet will enable us to act on our M and A ambition as we identify unique technologies that can complement our differentiated portfolio. We have a clear plan for delivering long term reward for our shareholders and look forward to updating you on our progress through this new year. Speaker 200:21:44Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Jason for a report on our financial performance. Speaker 300:21:49Thank you, Olivier, and good morning, everyone. Today, we are reporting our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2024 and providing financial guidance for 2025. Unless otherwise noted, all financial measures discussed reflect adjusted non GAAP measures. As shared in our press release this morning, we delivered fourth quarter revenue of approximately $168,000,000 and full year revenue of $634,000,000 achieving the midpoint of our guidance despite a $3,500,000 exchange rate headwind in the quarter. This is a reported increase of 1% for the fourth quarter or up 3% on an organic basis, which excludes the impact of acquisitions and currency headwinds. Speaker 300:22:35As Olivier mentioned earlier, our fourth quarter non COVID revenue growth was up 13%, which we believe is more representative of our performance. There was no COVID related revenue during the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four versus $19,000,000 in 2023. Our full year 2024 revenue was flat and up 3% on a non COVID basis. FX was a net headwind of one point for the year and acquisitions contributed approximately two points of growth. As Olivier shared color on our product franchise performance, I'll provide more detail on the performance across the global regions starting with revenue, where North America represented approximately 50% of our total full year revenue, Europe represented 34% and Asia Pacific and the rest of the world represented 16%. Speaker 300:23:27North America had a great fourth quarter being up 20% in revenue. Asia was equally strong in 4Q with 20% revenue growth inclusive of China, while Europe was down 25% due to COVID and protein headwinds. For the full year 2024, it was encouraging to see our largest region North America delivering 12% revenue growth. Asia excluding China was also up 12% and for Europe non COVID revenue growth was a 2% decline while reported was down 6%. And finally, China was a $25,000,000 headwind for the year and represented about 3% of our 2024 full year revenue, down from about 7% in 2023. Speaker 300:24:15On regional orders for the full year, North America was up 14%, Europe was flat for the full year and fourth quarter orders were up 24%, and Asia excluding China was up 30% for the year. As Olivier shared, we are very excited about our ability to grow further in Asia and we'll be making investments to support growth. Finally, China orders were down about 20% for the year. However, second half orders were up 6% versus the first half, supporting our view that we have hit bottom. Transitioning to profit and margins, the fourth quarter twenty twenty four adjusted gross profit was $85,000,000 and we delivered 50.7% adjusted gross margin. Speaker 300:25:01This is down 1.8 percentage points versus last year, driven by a 3.5 headwind from COVID sales last year. Volume, price and productivity all drove net margin improvements. In fact, 50.7% is higher than the implied guide in November as we delivered more productivity than expected and have strong momentum carrying into 2025. For the full year 2024, adjusted gross profit was $320,000,000 up $10,000,000 year over year and adjusted gross margin was 50.4 again slightly above implied guidance with the upside from the fourth quarter. Gross margin increased 140 basis points year over year and 200 basis points excluding the drag from lower COVID volume than 2023. Speaker 300:25:54Outside COVID, the year over year increase was driven by strong productivity and net realized price. We'll continue to see COVID headwind on the year over year margin growth for 2025. In 2024, we continue to evaluate our operations and assets to ensure we are well positioned to grow. As a result, we have continued to execute activities under the restructuring plan started in the middle of twenty twenty three. In the fourth quarter, we incurred approximately $45,000,000 in non recurring restructuring and other inventory related charges. Speaker 300:26:29The majority was non cash inventory write offs from further product rationalization. It was also a result of further evaluation of the inventory positions of certain materials secured in turbulent supply conditions during the pandemic. The valuation also considered the market conditions of the last eighteen months and incorporated updated product strategies developed with new senior product management. Incorporating all of this, demand and product mix projections were revised as a part of the company's annual strategic planning and budget sessions in 2024. Where inventory exceeded the projected requirements to be used before reaching their expiration date, they are written off. Speaker 300:27:10These charges are non recurring in nature and therefore are reflected as expenses only in our GAAP P and L for the fourth quarter and full year and not in our non GAAP adjusted results. We believe the restructuring plan started in 2023 is essentially complete and we are well positioned to continue margin expansion in 2025. That said, we will continuously execute cost savings initiatives under our RPS productivity program and evaluate our site footprint, especially as we continue to make acquisitions. Continuing through the P and L, our adjusted income from operations was $25,000,000 in the fourth quarter and $82,000,000 for the full year, down approximately $5,000,000 and $6,000,000 versus 2023, respectively. The full year reduction is driven by $11,000,000 of twenty twenty three COVID related sales and $12,000,000 from the impact of bonuses returning to normal levels for 2024. Speaker 300:28:10Partially offsetting these impacts was income growth through price, manufacturing productivity and operating expense management. Our full year adjusted operating expenses are up approximately $16,000,000 versus last year, almost entirely driven by an increase in performance based bonuses we paid in 2024. Fourth quarter operating expenses were up about 4% year over year and were essentially higher than the third quarter, primarily due to the nature of year end expenses, sales investments and some additional costs for Tonti for the month of December. The team has done a good job in 2024 balancing cost management, while ensuring we are positioned to support growth and making necessary investments. We delivered fourth quarter twenty twenty four adjusted operating income margins of 14.9% consistent with the third quarter and with that ended the full year with 12.9% adjusted operating income margin near the midpoint of our prior guidance. Speaker 300:29:11This was down 100 basis points from 2023, which as mentioned earlier includes about 300 basis points of headwind from prior COVID business and bonuses returning to normal levels. Our full year adjusted EBITDA margin rate was 18.5%, which reflects the impact of greater than five percent point drag from depreciation on adjusted operating income. Adjusted net income for the fourth quarter was $25,000,000 and the full year was $89,000,000 down about $4,000,000 or 5% from 2023. Improved adjusted other income from higher interest income essentially offset the year over year reduction in adjusted operating income. That said, about $5,000,000 of higher adjusted income tax provisions fell through to adjusted net income. Speaker 300:30:04Our full year adjusted effective tax rate was 20.4% in line with our guidance, but more than four points higher than last year. Adjusted fully diluted earnings per share for the fourth quarter was $0.44 compared to $0.48 in the same period in 2023. For the full year 2024, adjusted fully diluted earnings per share was $1.58 about $0.07 lower than last year. Finally, our cash position at the end of 2024 was $757,000,000 down $27,000,000 Speaker 400:30:41sequentially after using $55,000,000 Speaker 300:30:41for the settlement of our for the settlement of our Tanti acquisition as expected. This was partially offset by another strong quarter of strong cash flow from operations as we generated $42,000,000 For the full year, we generated 178,000,000 of cash flow from operations, 56% more than 2023 on improved working capital management. I'll now move to an update on our guidance for the full year of 2025. I'll speak to adjusted financial guidance, but please note that our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliations for our 2025 guidance are included in the reconciliation tables in today's earnings press release. And for further clarity, our guidance is fully inclusive of our December acquisition of Tanti. Speaker 300:31:31That said, we do not expect to report acquisition related revenue for Tanti as their products will be used as a component in our Avatide resin sales. As highlighted earlier by Olivier, our revenue for 2025 is expected to be in the range of $685,000,000 to $710,000,000 This represents growth of eight percent to 12% on a reported basis or 9.5% to 13.5% organic growth and 10% to 14% growth for our non COVID business. Given the volatility related to currency exchange, we have assumed about a 150 basis points of year over year headwind. Any additional fluctuations higher or lower could change that view. We will report organic growth rates in our quarterly results removing the impact of currency. Speaker 300:32:20And as mentioned earlier, we do not currently have acquisition sales to remove from our organic growth rates. As Olivier shared, we expect revenues in the second half of twenty twenty five to be higher than the first half. We expect the first quarter will step down a bit sequentially from the fourth quarter, but with year over year growth roughly in line with the lower end of our full year guidance. We expect to deliver adjusted gross margins in the range of 51% to 52% with expansion from 2024. This is consistent with the 100 to 200 basis points of expansion that we have shared in our 2025 framework, now including roughly 50 basis points of headwind from foreign currency. Speaker 300:33:02We expect gross margin expansion will be driven by increased volume leverage, price improvements, manufacturing productivity and strategic sourcing savings, offset primarily by inflation and some 2024 COVID sales drag. Manufacturing productivity will be driven by our Repligen performance system across all categories of cost of goods sold. We expect to see our price return to historic levels of low single digit given the current market environment. Our current outlook on gross margin reflects the net effect of assumed currency headwinds. However, it does not include any impact from potential tariffs being discussed in the current global trade environment. Speaker 300:33:44We believe we would have minimal impacts from changes in trade with China, Mexico and Canada. That said, we continue to monitor the broader global trade environment as changes with Europe would have a much larger impact on Repligen. We expect our adjusted income from operations to be between $99,000,000 to $106,000,000 or 14% to 15% adjusted operating income margin, which is up 100 to 200 basis points versus 2024. Inflation, Tonti and investments in operating expenses will be the key headwinds. We expect to more than make up for that with gross margin improvements from volume leverage, price and manufacturing productivity. Speaker 300:34:28Overall, we will continue to manage operating expenses to grow slightly less than sales as we continue to balance cost efficiency with investments that are critical for growth and necessary to be fit for growth. We plan to increase R and D spending versus 2024. We will invest in the sales team with more application support and added leadership in Asia, and we plan to make G and A investments in tools and processes. Adjusted EBITDA margins are expected to be in the range of 20% to 21% for the year. Continuing through the P and L, we expect our adjusted other income to be down year over year by an estimated $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 or $23,000,000 to $24,000,000 This reflects an estimated one percentage point of lower average interest rate versus 2024. Speaker 300:35:18This may fluctuate with actual Fed actions taken through the year and it assumes minimal change in cash balance. Our 2025 adjusted effective tax rate is expected to increase to an estimated 22% to 23%. The increase versus twenty twenty four's ending rate of 20.4% is driven primarily by the absence of stock based compensation windfall benefit that we have seen in the last several years. We will continue to evaluate tax planning options to improve from here. Incorporating all of these items, we expect our adjusted fully diluted earnings per share to be between $1.67 and $1.76 up $0.09 to $0.18 respectively versus last year. Speaker 300:36:03We've entered 2025 with a strong balance sheet. We remain prudent in our spending while maintaining flexible dry powder for potential acquisitions. Our CapEx spending is expected to be down another 20% to 25% versus twenty twenty four with our spending back to pre COVID levels. As we wrap, let me reiterate our excitement to move forward in 2025 and our optimism about the bioprocessing market improving through the course of the year. We will remain laser focused on the execution of our strategic priorities, accelerating and maintaining above market growth, developing best in class innovation, expanding margins, maintaining our focus on strong M and A discipline and ensuring our people, processes and tools are fit in enabling our growth. Speaker 300:36:51With that, I will turn the call back to the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:36:57Thank you. Today's first question comes from Dan Arias with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:37:28Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for the questions here. Olivier, maybe a place to start would just to be to ask how things have evolved here. I mean, last quarter you felt good about CDMOs and capital equipment. You were cautious on China and emerging biotech. Speaker 500:37:42Is there anything that shifted at all? And it seems like order activity stepped up, but I would love to just hear what you think is most important here to start the year. And then I guess I'd specifically be interested in those Tier two CDMO accounts that showed some good signs of life last quarter. How confident are you in the sustainability of the improvement that it looks like you're seeing here? Thank you. Speaker 200:38:03Yes, Phil. I understand for the question. So you're absolutely right. I mean, what was really important for us in quarter four was a confirmation like both CDMO and capital equipment turnaround that we started to see in quarter three was really fully confirmed. And in fact, we had a huge acceleration on both sides. Speaker 200:38:20I mean, particularly on the CDMO side where we had sales and orders increasing tremendously in quarter four. I mean, our sales were up more than 40% and our orders were up more than 11%, which as mentioned in the script has brought us back to almost the same amount of growth at CDMO as we had at pharma for the entire year. And then we love that because we think CDMOs are like the exact reflection of the health of the entire ecosystem. And you mentioned the big guys. In fact, growth came from both Tier one and Tier two CDMOs. Speaker 200:38:55But yes, partially as the big guys, we see a lot of traction happening right now. They've announced a lot of big deals and I think the entire ecosystem is starting to benefit from it right now for sure. And then on capital equipment, that's the other one where probably we saw an improvement earlier than others and we had an incredible confirmation in quarter four. I mean, our sales were up more than 20% and our orders were up 25% versus quarter four of last year. So we've seen a huge improvement and we think our state of the art system offering is definitely positioning us very well on that side. Operator00:39:39The next question comes from Rachel Vatinstall with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:39:44Perfect. Good morning and thank you for taking the questions you guys. So I wanted to dig into the opportunity with ATF here. You mentioned that ATF grew above 50% for the year. So could you walk us through how much revenue did you guys do in ATF in 2024? Speaker 600:39:59And then separately, you've talked about getting spec'd into a blockbuster drug for ATF. You've also alluded to the fact that you may get spec'd into a second blockbuster drug. So how should we think about the timing of that benefit of getting specked in? Is there anything assumed for these blockbuster opportunities into 2025 guidance or would that be upside at this point? Speaker 200:40:18Yes. Thanks, Rachel. So as you know, the filtration business is the biggest of all of our businesses. It's more than half, about 60% of our total business. It did about US373 million dollars in 2024. Speaker 200:40:32We've never given the exact numbers of ATF, but it's the biggest part of the filtration business we have right now. And we are benefiting obviously from the fact we got designing in many late phase, if not commercial drugs over the last twelve to eighteen months. So what I mentioned in quarter three is a blockbuster that is on the market and the typical timeline when you get confirmation you're designing in a commercial drug, you're getting the orders within a quarter, you're going to deliver the hardware probably within the next six to twelve months and then you start to see the consumable sales happening probably after a year or so. So for us, it's all about making sure we have wins quarter by quarter and then that we have somehow more and more of this installed base because then the consumable share is going to increase. And in fact, for the first time in 2024, our consumables ATF sales were above our hardware sales, which is a sign like indeed the installed base is becoming really significant right now. Speaker 200:41:35So the last piece I would mention is, we've had we've been very successful getting design in with ATF at all CDMOs. I think in fact nine of the top 10 CDMOs are using ATF very broadly. And now a lot of pharma company are also starting to use ATF. So we so best is still to come. So a lot of tailwind coming on the consumable side for sure. Speaker 600:41:58Great. Thank you guys. Operator00:42:01The next question is from Puneet Souda with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:42:07Yes. Hi, Olivier, Jason. Thanks for taking my questions here. I'll wrap up in one question. I think the question here is just in terms of how sustainable are the order trends that you're seeing? Speaker 700:42:23Just given the backdrop of what we have seen from the peers, a recovery that hasn't been as smooth as one would have expected even back in 'twenty three or 'twenty four. Just so sort of trying to get a sense of that. And then wondering if you can elaborate if January and February order trends were also comparable to the Q4 and or maybe even the stronger, if you could elaborate on that? Thank you. Speaker 200:42:50Yes, absolutely. So I'll start probably by talking about the fact in 2024, our order intake has increased every single quarter after the other the previous one. So basically from quarter one to quarter two, quarter '2 to quarter three, quarter '3 to quarter four. And in fact between quarter four and quarter one, our order intake went up by 18%. So that's what we are very happy about because we've seen a progress of order intake really quarter by quarter. Speaker 200:43:17I would add to that and I know we don't want to talk too much about book to bill anymore. But as you know, we've been the first one releasing book to bill ratio above one and now it's like for six to seven quarters in a row. So that's why we're also very confident that the return to growth we've been experiencing now is very sustainable. And the last piece I would mention is really if I look at all of our franchises excluding protein, our order intake in 2024 was up double digit. So that's another very strong signal like we've got a strong portfolio of products. Speaker 200:43:50We recently said like about 80% of our portfolio is very differentiated. And I think that's a reflection of the growth we've seen in orders for the last several quarters now. Speaker 700:44:03And just to be clear on in the quarter itself, are you seeing any trends that give you confidence overall? Speaker 200:44:12Yes. So as you know very well, Puneet, we typically don't comment on the current quarter. All I can say is, we think are doing well and we are absolutely fine so far, yes. Speaker 400:44:23Okay. Thank you. Operator00:44:27The next question comes from Matt Larew with William Blair. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:44:34Hi. Good morning. It looks like based on recent order trends that there is pretty good visibility across the portfolio. Of course, the one area that really you're pawned for a different 2524% is proteins and you alluded to what that is. Could you really speak to the visibility on the protein side to that 10% to 15% growth? Speaker 800:44:54And maybe within that comment on any early traction you're seeing with the new product launch and anticipation of other product launches this year? Speaker 200:45:03Yes. Thanks, Matt, for the question. We knew like 2024 would be a tax year for protein. And in fact we were on third thinking we have probably million to million of headwind and it played out a little bit better than we expected, not that much better, but a little bit better. And the good news is as we knew it was a reset year. Speaker 200:45:23I mean the business at the top two OEM partners we had is almost down to zero right now, which means like no more headwind coming from that side. And what has been really good for us in 2024 is we progress really strongly on the rest of the portfolio and partially on our Avidide and our coming Tanti business where we won several deals for custom ligands or custom resin development. And as you just mentioned, we also launched our first resin using the 20 beats, the double stranded RNA resin, which has got really good traction so far. But the best is to come. I mean, we've got several product launches that are planned in 2025, focusing mostly on new modalities. Speaker 200:46:07So we really think like from this point we are today, we should be back to the double digit growth that we experienced before the hit with the other OEM partners. And what I love even more than anything else else is we've got our Disney in our hands much more today. I mean, it's so good that we can develop and launch our own resins because then we can really control our own commercial activities to the large extent. And then the collaboration with Purolite on the other side is also doing very well and we are working very closely with our partners on monoclonal antibody here. Operator00:46:47The next question comes from Jacob Johnson with Stephens. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:46:53Hey, good morning, everybody. Maybe following up on Rachel's ATF question kind of in a bigger picture way. Olivia, you mentioned CDMOs have adopted ATF. It seems like some traction with pharma recently. Kind of why are you seeing these wins with ATF now? Speaker 900:47:11It's a technology that's been around for a while. Are these seeds that were planted years ago? Is this key account strategy good execution by the sales team? Just curious kind of qualitatively what's been driving the ATF wins recently? Speaker 200:47:25Yes. No, it's a great question, Jacob. And it's a bit of all what you mentioned. I mean, so what people may not realize is we've got a large scale ATF solution, which is where people typically start putting their hand on the ATF technology, meaning like typically maybe three, four, five years ago also some of these company would have started testing the technology at the lab scale and realizing that it was working really well and then they might have decided to start getting it up a few years later and then have a couple of great successes operating at larger scale and so on. And then you know how it is with new technologies. Speaker 200:48:03Once the technology starts to be really well known in the industry, people are probably capable to adopt that faster and then just decide to move on maybe in a record timeframe versus what they would have done before. So if I look at the last big win we talked about in quarter three, which is a commercial drug, I mean, it's fair to say this one has been moving really fast and we start to see companies telling us, hey, we've got the proof of concept, this technology works really well. So and considering the regulatory changes are limited, we can probably activate implementing that technology faster than we would implement the technology that is not known at all in the industry. So it's a bit of a mix. You've got people who are faster than others. Speaker 200:48:48You've got people who have been having their hand on the technology for several years. What I all I can tell you is we still have a lot of wins, new wins coming, which is why we are also confident about the future and the wins are now beyond monocular antibodies where we start to see multiple wins on the new modality side using ACF as well. Speaker 900:49:08Got it. Super helpful. Thanks, Olivier. Operator00:49:12The next question is from Connor McNamara with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:49:19Hi. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on a solid quarter. Can you just talk about what end market assumptions you've incorporated into your fiscal twenty twenty five guide? You guided to Q1 that's going to be at the low end of your guidance range and then that would assume there's some acceleration for you guys. Is that are you assuming that end markets kind of return to historic growth rates by the end of the year or is it more Repligen specific that's driving that acceleration throughout the year? Speaker 200:49:49Yes, that's a really good question, Conor. I mean, again, I think we see ourselves a bit different than others from the point of view. Again, 80% of our portfolio is very differentiated. So I can't really talk about the global market and then how people would see it from their own angle at this stage. Well, what we see from our side is we are probably back to the same pattern we experienced before COVID where typically H2 is a little bit higher than H1, where the strongest quarter in the year is always quarter four and then quarter one, quarter '3 being a little bit lower, meaning we're going to see certain acceleration from quarter one to quarter two. Speaker 200:50:28That kind of the pattern we always experienced before COVID and we think we're pretty much back to the same situation for us in 2025 here. Speaker 400:50:39Great. Thanks. And then just on pricing, can you quantify pricing impact in 2024 and what you've incorporated in the 2025 guide? Thanks for the question. Speaker 300:50:50Yes. So we achieved kind of that low single digit pricing back to the historical levels that we've traditionally seen and expect a similar case in 2025. So we feel like from that angle, our product differentiation allows us to capture price, but to do it modestly and balance that with our customer relationships and again keeping our products cost competitive for those solutions. So we'll continue on that same trend. Operator00:51:22The next question comes from Matt Hewitt with Craig Hallum. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:51:27Good morning and congratulations on the strong finish to the year. A couple of questions regarding the equipment sales. Obviously, you're seeing a strong recovery there. Was there any budget flush impact in Q4? And I guess another question would be looking at your peers, some of them are still talking about headwinds on the equipment side. Speaker 1000:51:47What do you think is a key differentiator for you versus maybe some of the issues that your peers are still having? Thank you. Speaker 200:51:54Yes. Thanks, Matt, for the question. I think we need to look at hardware from one point of view, which is you've got what I call really the lab small scale type of hardware on one side, which is the C Tech part of our business. And then you've got more of the manufacturing larger scale type of hardware, which is what we call RTC on one side and large scale system on the other side. So if I look at the first bucket, which is more of the small scale type of hardware, we know like there is always a very strong quarter four and we experienced it. Speaker 200:52:27I mean, we said it in the script. I mean, we are the record quarter ever for since we acquired C Tech in terms of both orders and sales in quarter four. And I want to say probably half of it is like beginning of the start of a recovery for those smaller type of software. And I think that some of these analytical company have seen the same I think in quarter four. And then the other half is definitely coming from the seasonality where quarter four is always a quarter where you want to use your budget and then the order intake is always the higher saver. Speaker 200:52:59But then for the rest of the portfolio, which is really what I call the manufacturing situation is different. And then here, Matt, I want to think like the fact we launched from products that are real state of the art, really high-tech and not only high-tech from a hardware point of view, but combined with our PAT flow VPX technology, which is now included is almost 20% to 25% of every system we are selling is giving us a huge competitive advantage, which is why we are certainly gaining market share on that side. And then here, I mean, it depends. I mean, the fact we see CDMOs recovering so well makes me feel like we that's one of the reason why we start to see so much more CapEx spending again coming from CDMO and we've seen quite a bit of it in quarter four. So really on that side, which is a manufacturing hardware, I think we're gaining market share with probably better products, more and more features with our PAT technologies and certainly also very focused on new modalities, which as you know with the launch of RS10 in particular, we've had a lot of wins over the last several quarters now. Speaker 1000:54:08The Operator00:54:11next question is from Sabu Nambi with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:54:18Hi, guys. Thank you for taking my question. And a follow-up to the previous question. First off, thank you for clearly laying it out on how you achieved your 2025 guidance. Outside of ATF, I wanted to get additional color on why are you focused on newer modalities and packs in specific? Speaker 1100:54:33Are there areas where you see there is an unmet need and therefore winning accounts is easier or versus displacing some of the larger players? Speaker 200:54:43Yes. Thanks for the question, Subbu. We love new modalities for a lot of reasons. And I try to just mention maybe a couple of them. The first one is, when you look at the current pipeline of pharmaceutical company, I mean today almost half of the products they have in their pipeline are coming from new modalities. Speaker 200:55:03And obviously, it makes the life of the global end of R and D from those big pharma company very complex because we are probably in the past they were dealing with three or four different type of products. Now they have to deal with 10 to 15 different ones. So what do these guys need? They need a company that is capable to support them and support them with customized solution, support them with agility and the ability to turn around a solution for the problem they are facing that they don't have a good solution for. And we think we are doing well here because we are indeed agile and we are faster probably than many others to develop and launch new products and that's what probably those company really appreciate from us. Speaker 200:55:46So that's really one side I think of the picture that is very important. The second one really about new modalities, so diversity that I also very interesting from the point of view, there is not one solution that fits it all. I mean, you have to really be capable to adjust the way you look at manufacturing from a totally different angle because if you compare manufacturing of CAR T product on one side, manufacturing of a viral vector on the other side and our ADCs and so on and so on, I mean, they all have totally different requirements. And here again, you need to be capable to sit around the table and support the people the right way. And I think we all know like from a therapeutical point of view, there are beautiful stuff happening and that's probably in the next five to ten years a lot of these diseases that are not being cured today will be cured by some of these new modalities. Speaker 200:56:42So we are absolutely very excited about it and we think we are bringing a lot of good solutions to our customers on that side. Operator00:56:54The next question comes from Justin Bowers with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Speaker 1200:57:00Hi, good morning, everyone. Olivier, can you expand upon the strength you saw in hardware during the quarter? Did that include any platform wins, either expansions or new placements there? And maybe talk about just where which franchises you saw some of the strength in? Speaker 200:57:25Yes. No, absolutely. I mean, so on hardware, I talked already about Artisan and about the large scale system. Don't forget that also a big part of our ATS business consists in system as well, so in hardware. So it's across the board. Speaker 200:57:41I mean, as we mentioned, as you heard, that ATF did very well in 2024 and obviously the hardware part of ATF did very well in 2024 as well. And then on the rest, which is more the filtration and chromatography systems, which is now today very, very much depending on the artist in portfolio we acquired several years ago. So again, the reason why we are very successful here is because we've got very differentiating solutions with very high technology on one side and combination with PAC technologies on the other side and people really like them. I mean, the people probably didn't know us much two years ago. Now they start to know us much more and with the key account management focus we had particularly at some of these big pharma as indeed we are starting to get platform. Speaker 200:58:27I mean, I want to say three or four big pharma company have decided to start performing us last year for their CFF manufacturing solution. So that's definitely for us a big, big win we had in 2024. And then the last piece, partly for the assets in portfolio is there is full stickiness of consumable, meaning like once you install an RF system, you're going to get a flow of single use consumables for the next five to ten years. And that's going to be obviously a very significant tailwind for our business for the next few years as well here. Speaker 1200:59:04Thank you. And then one quick follow-up just on the strength ex and APAC ex China and some of the growth initiatives there. Is that currently being driven by CDMO or is there participation there in pharma and biotech as well? And where are you focusing the growth? Speaker 200:59:26Yes. I don't know exactly to tell you the truth, Justine. I would like to say that, I mean, if you think about a country like Korea, obviously, you've got both the biggest CDMO in the world and you've got probably one of the biggest biosimilar company in the world. So if you think about a country like that and I know I'm only picking up two companies down there, but you would say it's probably pretty balanced between the two. I don't have the exact number or something we would need to check. Speaker 200:59:55But back to the numbers themselves, I mean, you're right, like Asia did very well for us in 2024, excluding China. And in fact, APAC for the full year grew 12%, excluding China in terms of sales. And in terms of orders we grew around 16%. So it was a really good year for us. I mentioned Korea, which is obviously a big area of focus for us and others as well. Speaker 201:00:20But people try and forget country like Japan as well who have been rebounding very nicely now for the last two to three years because of government after COVID has decided to invest a lot of money. And then Singapore, which is kind of benefiting from the side of the softer China where people are back to invest a lot in Singapore as well. So, yes, Asia outside of China did very well for us in 2024 and we've got big hopes that growth is going to accelerate in 2025 and beyond. And then on China, we think we've reached a bottom. I mean our orders in the second half of twenty twenty four were slightly higher than our orders in the first half. Speaker 201:01:00So we are hoping we've reached a bottom and we are going to be back to growth mode somewhere probably around the second half of twenty twenty five. Operator01:01:13The next question comes from Paul Knight with KeyBanc. Speaker 1301:01:21Regarding the recovery in CDMOs, what do you think is happening there? Is it they're getting past making material for COVID or they're seeing better financing from biotech? It's been odd that they've been really bullish, but now we're starting to see if their orders for companies like Repligen, if you could comment on that first. Thanks. Speaker 201:01:45Yes. No, Paul, absolutely. And that's obviously a question we're asking ourselves every day. I'll start with the big CDMOs. I mean, the big CDMOs, what their obsession is to get those very large long term ten year supply contract with big pharma company on commercial drugs. Speaker 201:02:03And I mean if you look at the top two, if not maybe the top three or four, I mean they have announced some of these very big deals over the last several months. And I mean some of these deals have been the highest they have ever signed. And when you are one of these big CDM roles, I mean this is giving you a lot of clarity, a lot of confidence over the next five to ten years because you are kind of secured with the base business. You need to have to be successful for the next five to ten years. And then you can start to do cool things, with which is to grab maybe smaller products, earlier phase products that are going to be the products for the future. Speaker 201:02:41So I think the big guys are definitely in very good shape today. What I found interesting when we looked at our numbers was to see that the tail end, the smaller CDM or the Tier two as we call them, did very well for us for the last two quarters. And here you would say it's probably because they are also benefiting from some of the tail end of sort of the big pharma products that are not a good fit to the larger CDMOs because they are probably smaller in size. But also I think the BioSecure Act definitely had some impact for some of the Tier two CDMO, particularly in The U. S. Speaker 201:03:15Where we know some of these guys have benefited from it. In terms of the funding of small biotech, I mean, that's something we're still looking at very carefully. There was some improvement last year. I think the total funding was up about 45% versus 2023. What we didn't like too much was a trend where quarter by quarter funding went down, I mean, from $18,000,000,000 in quarter one to $15,000,000,000 in quarter two and then 12 and 12 in quarter three and quarter four. Speaker 201:03:44And I want to say, January was pretty weak as well as around $3,000,000,000 to $3,500,000,000 So that is something we still need to watch. If there is one segment that we think has not really recovered completely yet, it's resource small biotech. Speaker 1301:04:00And then lastly, I know you have a lot of hollow fiber capacity. What do you plan to do there? Could you use that capacity to somehow get into the GLP-one market? Or is that kind of just still in R and D? Speaker 201:04:15Yes. No, that's a really good question. I mean, among a lot of stuff we want to focus on, one of them is to make sure we spend more time with our commercial team to get a design in with some of these very differentiating products we have. And it's not only auto fiber, it's several others as well. So that's an initiative. Speaker 201:04:33And when you hear about the fact we are investing more into sales, I mean that's definitely one of the area where we want to get more of these application specialists in our team so that we can spend more time designing those beautiful technologies we have that we know are going to get more and more successes in the future. And then the Holofiber is one of them, it's not the only Speaker 301:04:55one. Thank you. Speaker 901:05:01We have Maybe one more Speaker 201:05:03question and yes. Operator01:05:04Our last question today will come from Deb Senkel with Wolfe Research. Speaker 1401:05:10Please go ahead. Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. There was an earlier question about your year end instrument performance versus peers and we're always hesitant to make calls about share shifts in an increasingly sticky market. That said, I am wondering if you are seeing any pickup in customers swapping out existing lines for your products in what seems to be an environment where, at least based on what we're hearing from others, it seems like the build out of new lines is still muted. So I'm wondering if that's some of what's different about what's going on with you versus peers. Speaker 1401:05:51And then just very quickly on guidance and really just pacing, given the order strength in Q4 and given how short it is now for you to or how not long it takes for you to fulfill orders, It does seem like Q1, the commentary would seemingly derisk things fairly substantially. I just want to make sure we're not missing anything in terms of the size of the orders, the duration of the orders, because it certainly seems like the bias would be to the upside given how you guided and the strength of orders into your end? Thank you. Speaker 201:06:32Yes, sure. No, I mean, for the first part of the question, I want to start by saying we are a very small actor on the hardware market. I mean, let's be honest, we are coming from a very low level. So obviously, when you're coming with new products on this very significant market and you're bringing beautiful products and you don't have a lot of market share, at the beginning of the day, you can really only win unless you're not doing the job properly. So, that's probably why we're seeing that market from a bit of a different angle. Speaker 201:07:05This being said, yes, we have had a lot of great wins over the last several quarters and because we do have great products again combined with the right PAT technology. So we are definitely gaining market share. I mentioned earlier, what we like is we start to get platform at some of these big pharma companies who started buying one, two, three systems maybe a couple of years ago and now who are buying one new system every other month. And that's something we are really very happy about because it means not only they like the product we launched a few years ago, but once they've been starting to use it, they realize like it's a big differentiator. So that's definitely where we see traction, but again we're coming from a low point in terms of having very low market share. Speaker 201:07:48And then just to answer the latter part of your question, yes, you're right. I mean typically hardware have a lead time of three to six months. So you would assume like the orders you have in your plan for sale in quarter one, you received them already in the previous quarter. That's absolutely fair, which is different from consumable where you can get consumable order in the quarter to deliver in the same quarter. So with this, I think we'll wrap it up for today. Speaker 201:08:20So thank you for joining the call. 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There are 15 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Repligen Corporation's Fourth Quarter of twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. My name is MJ, and I will be your coordinator. All participants will be in listen only mode. Please note there will be a question and answer session following the company's formal remarks. The company would like to note there will be a limited timeframe for Q and A and as such management kindly requests that each individual ask one question to try to accommodate all. Operator00:00:41I would now like to turn the call over to your host for today's call, Sonja Newman, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:52Thank you, and welcome to our fourth quarter of twenty twenty four report. On this call, we will cover business highlights and financial performance for the three and twelve month periods ending 12/31/2024, and will provide financial guidance for the full year 2025. Joining us on the call today are Repligen's President and Chief Executive Officer, Olivier Leillot and our Chief Financial Officer, Jason Garland. As a reminder, the forward looking statements that we make during this call, including those regarding our business goals and expectations for the financial performance of the company, are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual events or results to differ. Additional information concerning risks related to our business is included in our quarterly reports on Form 10 Q, our annual report on Form 10 ks and our current reports on eight ks, including the report that we are filing today, as well as other filings that we make with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:01:54Today's comments reflect management's current views, which could change as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. The company does not obligate or commit itself to update forward looking statements except as required by law. During this call, we are providing non GAAP financial results and guidance unless otherwise noted. Reconciliations of GAAP to non GAAP financial measures are included in the press release that we issued this morning, which is posted to Repligen's website and on sec.gov. Adjusted non GAAP figures in today's report include the following: Non COVID and organic revenue and or revenue growth cost of goods sold gross profit and gross margin operating expenses, including R and D and SG and A income from operations and operating margin tax rate on pretax income, net income, diluted earnings per share, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA, as well as adjusted EBITDA margins. Speaker 100:02:54These adjusted financial figures should not be viewed as an alternative to GAAP measures, but are intended to best reflect the performance of our ongoing operations. Now, let me turn the call over to Olivier. Speaker 200:03:07Thank you, Sandra. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our twenty twenty four fourth quarter and year end reports. We are happy with the way we finished 2024. And in addition to reporting our financial results in detail, we will share our 2025 strategic priorities and provide financial guidance for the new year. We have a lot of reasons to be positive about 2025 as we put specific 2024 headwinds behind us and we see a return to growth for the bioprocessing market. Speaker 200:03:38I'm pleased to share that we achieved the midpoint of our November guidance, delivering fourth quarter revenue of $167,500,000 and full year revenue of $634,400,000 despite a $3,500,000 exchange rate headwind in the quarter. Product differentiation, excellent execution by our team and better market conditions have enabled us to deliver a 13% revenue growth ex COVID in the fourth quarter versus the previous year. Our orders were also very strong in the fourth quarter with the highest order intake we've had since quarter two of twenty twenty two, and it was a six straight quarters that orders outpaced non COVID revenue. In quarter four, we were delighted by the strong performance from CDMOs and equipment, key market sectors that have been slower to recover. With this momentum and as our funnel continues to grow, we are well positioned as we enter 2025. Speaker 200:04:36After a great rebound in quarter three, our CDMO business had an even better quarter with sales and orders up high double digit sequentially. In fact, thanks to that very strong CDMO finish, our full year 2024 sales growth was similar at CDMO and pharma, both up high single digits. We saw a similar pattern for equipment. Following a solid quarter three, equipment was another important standout in the fourth quarter with both sales and orders up more than 30% sequentially. Thanks to that strong equipment finish, our full year 2024 sales growth was similar for consumables and equipment, both up 810% respectively. Speaker 200:05:20At the franchise level, filtration had another excellent quarter, both from a revenue and order point of view, and analytics had a record quarter both in sales and orders since we acquired C Tech in 2019. And finally, 2024 has been a great year for new modalities with low double digit growth in both sales and orders as we build momentum with key accounts and new technology launches. Before entering into more detail, I would like to say that managing to deliver 3% of revenue growth in 2024, excluding COVID, and considering the huge headwinds in protein and China demonstrate the fantastic execution of our teams and the uniqueness of our portfolio. And in fact, our full year revenue was in line with our initial outlook in February 2024, adjusting for the restatement and additional currency headwinds. When I reflect on the full year, in addition to the forward momentum of the market and our results, I'm also very pleased with how the Repugent team executed on the five strategic priorities we set at the beginning of twenty twenty four. Speaker 200:06:27First, our high probability funnel has increased through the year, driving fourth quarter orders to their highest level over the last ten quarters. And even with very strong Q4 orders, we replenished the funnel. At the December, our greater than 50% probability funnel was up 16% versus the end of twenty twenty three. Our greatest sales organization, including our extended care account management team, have done well in 2024, training new leads at our top pharma and CDMO accounts and improving our portfolio visibility. Next, we launched several differentiated new products in 2024. Speaker 200:07:08Of note, in May, we launched our game changing cross flow RX10 RPM system, the first and only single use TFF system for bench scale GMP production with in line fully automated protein concentration measurements. In December, we launched the Advipure double stranded RNA resin sold through our Opus prepack columns. This resin using beads from our newly acquired Tanti business is remarkable in that it is the first affinity resin to remove the double stranded RNA impurity from transcribed RNA without heat of solvents. These and other launches in 2024 are offering innovative solution for customers' unmet needs and add to our differentiated portfolio. We estimate that about 80% of our business come from highly differentiated technologies, which are a cornerstone in helping to grow above the market. Speaker 200:08:04Our third priority was to further base on our wins in new modalities. Our sales in new modalities have increased low double digits and now represents approximately 20% of our total revenue. We now have 25 accounts with sales above $1,000,000 The next priority was the successful integration of Mettanova and preparing for the launch of new single use mixer technologies. We successfully integrated Mettinova with our fleet management team and we are planning to formally launch our single use mixers in quarter two of twenty twenty five. And finally, we further strengthened our discipline in cost control and expanded margin. Speaker 200:08:44Through select rooftop consolidation and additional restructuring actions, our operation teams have achieved targeted productivity gains. This has enabled us to finish the year with Q4 adjusted gross margin at 50.7%, adjusted operating margin at 14.9 and adjusted EBITDA margin at 20.9%. For the full year, we successfully expanded our adjusted gross margin by 140 basis points. Jason will discuss this further. In addition to our stated priorities in 2024, we have onboarded several experienced leaders from across the industry to strengthen our bench and position us well for years of growth. Speaker 200:09:27This includes, but is not limited to, quality, services, product management and sales. We believe the diversity of talents and experience Repligen has today will enable us to become further fit for growth. So moving now to our fourth quarter and full year revenue and orders performance. As you saw in our press release this morning, fourth quarter twenty twenty four sales stepped up from third quarter by nearly $13,000,000 to reach $167,500,000 and $634,400,000 for the full year. Excluding COVID, this was our highest quarter in sales in quarter three of twenty twenty two, even with the higher than anticipated currency headwinds of $3,500,000 in quarter four and May for the year. Speaker 200:10:14Excluding COVID, we delivered Q4 revenue of 138% sequential growth. For the full year, 2024 non COVID revenue growth came in as expected, up 3%. Moving to orders, our opportunity funnel delivered. Orders were exceptionally strong in quarter four, up 11% both sequentially and year over year. As I mentioned, this was the highest order intake we've had since the second quarter of twenty twenty two. Speaker 200:10:44For the full year 2024, total orders were up 9% with all franchises except proteins up over 10. During the quarter, orders outpaced sales by 6% and for the full year, orders outpaced non COVID sales by 4%. As it relates to customer segments, quarter four was another strong quarter for pharma supported by our key account focus. In quarter four, pharma sales were up mid single digit sequentially and up high single digit excluding COVID year over year. Quarter four pharma orders reached a record level and were up approximately 20% versus quarter four of twenty twenty three. Speaker 200:11:27While pharma revenue was similar between H2 and H1, orders were up about 15% and landing 17% up for full year 2024. Within pharma, the remaining challenge is small biotech. Though our sales in quarter four were on par with low ish quarter three sales, order increased over 10% sequentially. We are hoping this will continue in the first half of twenty twenty five, though we will need to continue to monitor the funding environment. Where pharma as a whole has been going very well for several quarters, we now see confirmation that CDMO business has improved more durably and was a standout in the quarter. Speaker 200:12:08This is the case for both Tier one and Tier two CDMOs. CDMO revenue was up 20% sequentially and more than 40% year over year. Orders in quarter four also grew more than 15% sequentially and 11% year over year. Quarter four orders from CDMOs was the highest since quarter one of twenty twenty two, excluding COVID. We saw activity accelerate through the year with H2 CDMO sales about 40% higher than H1 and orders nearly 20% higher. Speaker 200:12:41This really illustrates the recovery of a critical market segment that reflects the overall health of the ecosystem. Moving now to product type, whereas consumables have had a positive trend for several quarters, equipment showed strong improvement and was another standout in the fourth quarter. Consumable performance was consistently healthy through the year and remained strong in the fourth quarter with non COVID revenues up more than 20% year over year and at the highest level since quarter two of twenty twenty two. Quarter '4 was also the highest order quarter for consumables in the last twelve quarters, up nearly 10% sequentially and 25% year over year. We are particularly excited by the traction we have due to our increased design in ATF in late phase and commercial products, as well as single use consumable attached to our systems. Speaker 200:13:35Moving to equipment, the rebound we saw in quarter three accelerated in quarter four with both sales and orders up more than 30% sequentially and more than 10% year over year. Excluding COVID, our Q4 equipment orders reached a record level and while it was a slower start to the year for equipment, we saw a rebound with H2 orders approximately 25% higher than in H1. This reflects our success implementing ATF controllers at the majority of large pharma and CDMO companies, as well as starting to platform our TFF and Chrome systems. Our top quality systems coupled with our in line PAT flow technology are really disrupting the market and we're excited about the future considering that every system placed can generate a flow of consumable sales. Moving now to franchise level business highlights. Speaker 200:14:29The top performers in the fourth quarter were Filtration and Process Analytics. While Filtration continued its positive trend through the year, in Analytics, we saw a strong turn up in the fourth quarter, having been impacted by equipment softness in the prior periods. Proteins played out a bit better than we anticipated, and we expect a return to growth in 2025 after this year's results. Finally, chromatography saw a nice sales pickup in the fourth quarter. Drilling down in each franchise and starting with filtration, our year over year filtration revenues ex COVID were up 30% in the fourth quarter and 14% for the full year. Speaker 200:15:10The strong sales performance was across the portfolio, our largest and most diverse. Filtration revenue exceeded $370,000,000 for the year, up 9% and representing nearly 60% of our total revenue. Within the portfolio, XLATF had a great year and finished with top line growth above 50%. Filtration orders in the fourth quarter were up about 30%, both sequentially and year over year, setting us up well for 2025. Excluding COVID, Q4 filtration orders were the highest of the last twelve quarters. Speaker 200:15:47Systems and flow kits orders were also at a record level in quarter four. So overall, great performance in quarter four for the different components of our filtration business and with strong contribution from new product launches. As we see continued strength and momentum exiting 2024, our expectation for 2025 is that this franchise will be up 9% to 12% on a reported basis and up twelve point five percent to fifteen point five percent excluding COVID. In chromatography, our year over year revenues were up 10% in the fourth quarter and down 3% for the full year. Chromatography revenue of $123,000,000 represented approximately 20% of total revenue in 2024. Speaker 200:16:34As mentioned previously, the full year decline was impacted by the higher mix of columns versus ratings sales. On orders, Chrome was slightly down for the quarter, but up mid double digit for full year 2024. In 2025, we will focus on converting more large pharma companies to Opus pre pack column and Chromesystems, capitalizing on our powerful sales organization and leveraging technology differentiation. For 2025, we expect chromatography revenue growth in the range of 10% to 15%. In 2024, our proteins revenue was $74,000,000 a decline of 28%, which was actually better than our initial expectations. Speaker 200:17:18For the full year, we collected almost 10% more protein orders and sales. It has been a reset year with OEM ligand demand down to the minimum level. We had numerous custom ligand and resin wins in 2024 that we believe will become a true tailwind for the future. We are already seeing healthy demand for the AbiPure double stranded RNA resin launch in December and look forward to introducing additional resins for unmet purification needs in 2025. Our close collaboration with Purelight on monoclonal antibodies and our AviTide 20 combined offering for emerging modalities should enable us to get back to 10% to 15% growth in 2025 with more control and ownership of this franchise future. Speaker 200:18:04Finally, our Process Analytics sales in Qalfour were up 11% sequentially and up 8% year on year. For the full year, analytics sales were $59,000,000 an increase of 4% to 2023. We are seeing good order traction for analytics, which were up 10% for the year. In an overall very challenging environment for Analytical Equipment and thanks to our fast growing Flow VPX and RPM product lines, we had a solid year overall. We are happy to have experienced the highest quarter in the history of that business for both orders and sales in quarter four. Speaker 200:18:39And with this momentum, we expect analytics revenue growth of 5% to 10% for 2025. Jason will speak to the regional performance in his section, but I will comment that China was one of our key headwinds in 2024. We are currently planning on China sales being flat to 2024, and we remain optimistic about our long term growth potential in this region. On the upside, the rest of Asia Pac performed well in 2024 with full year sales up 12%. Transitioning to our 2025 outlook, we expect our revenue to grow low double digits excluding COVID and potential foreign exchange impact. Speaker 200:19:21Pacing is expected to track to our historical norms that is second half stronger than first half with Q1 being the weakest quarter and Q4 the strongest. Our full year guidance for 2025 is in the range of US685 million dollars to US710 million dollars up 8% to 12% on a reported basis and up ten percent to fourteen percent excluding COVID. The great order traction we had over the last two quarters combined with our stronger product management and commercial team and a better market environment gives us high confidence in achieving our targets. To deliver these results, our twenty twenty five strategic priorities will center on the following: number one is accelerating and maintaining above market growth by further improving customer experience and focusing on accelerated growth at key accounts and in Asia. Number two is capitalizing on our best in class innovation with increased investment in R and D. Speaker 200:20:19We already launched SOLO plus in our analytics business at the beginning of this year. We will also be particularly focused on our single use mixers launch as well as several new ligands and resin for new modalities. Number three is increasing our margins by 100 to 200 basis points, combining pricing discipline and achieving our RPS activity targets. Number four is maintaining our ambition to acquire one to two businesses to further strengthen our position with a focus on new modalities and PAT. And finally, number five is becoming further fit for growth and positioning ourselves to be a significantly bigger business in the not too distant future. Speaker 200:21:00We will focus on implementing key tools for our human resources management and also creating a project management office to manage our key strategic program, including M and A integration, site consolidation and other key EBITDA generating projects. In summary, we are excited as we enter 2025. We have a great combination of the right team, products and market environment to deliver upon our priorities and goals. Our strong balance sheet will enable us to act on our M and A ambition as we identify unique technologies that can complement our differentiated portfolio. We have a clear plan for delivering long term reward for our shareholders and look forward to updating you on our progress through this new year. Speaker 200:21:44Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Jason for a report on our financial performance. Speaker 300:21:49Thank you, Olivier, and good morning, everyone. Today, we are reporting our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2024 and providing financial guidance for 2025. Unless otherwise noted, all financial measures discussed reflect adjusted non GAAP measures. As shared in our press release this morning, we delivered fourth quarter revenue of approximately $168,000,000 and full year revenue of $634,000,000 achieving the midpoint of our guidance despite a $3,500,000 exchange rate headwind in the quarter. This is a reported increase of 1% for the fourth quarter or up 3% on an organic basis, which excludes the impact of acquisitions and currency headwinds. Speaker 300:22:35As Olivier mentioned earlier, our fourth quarter non COVID revenue growth was up 13%, which we believe is more representative of our performance. There was no COVID related revenue during the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four versus $19,000,000 in 2023. Our full year 2024 revenue was flat and up 3% on a non COVID basis. FX was a net headwind of one point for the year and acquisitions contributed approximately two points of growth. As Olivier shared color on our product franchise performance, I'll provide more detail on the performance across the global regions starting with revenue, where North America represented approximately 50% of our total full year revenue, Europe represented 34% and Asia Pacific and the rest of the world represented 16%. Speaker 300:23:27North America had a great fourth quarter being up 20% in revenue. Asia was equally strong in 4Q with 20% revenue growth inclusive of China, while Europe was down 25% due to COVID and protein headwinds. For the full year 2024, it was encouraging to see our largest region North America delivering 12% revenue growth. Asia excluding China was also up 12% and for Europe non COVID revenue growth was a 2% decline while reported was down 6%. And finally, China was a $25,000,000 headwind for the year and represented about 3% of our 2024 full year revenue, down from about 7% in 2023. Speaker 300:24:15On regional orders for the full year, North America was up 14%, Europe was flat for the full year and fourth quarter orders were up 24%, and Asia excluding China was up 30% for the year. As Olivier shared, we are very excited about our ability to grow further in Asia and we'll be making investments to support growth. Finally, China orders were down about 20% for the year. However, second half orders were up 6% versus the first half, supporting our view that we have hit bottom. Transitioning to profit and margins, the fourth quarter twenty twenty four adjusted gross profit was $85,000,000 and we delivered 50.7% adjusted gross margin. Speaker 300:25:01This is down 1.8 percentage points versus last year, driven by a 3.5 headwind from COVID sales last year. Volume, price and productivity all drove net margin improvements. In fact, 50.7% is higher than the implied guide in November as we delivered more productivity than expected and have strong momentum carrying into 2025. For the full year 2024, adjusted gross profit was $320,000,000 up $10,000,000 year over year and adjusted gross margin was 50.4 again slightly above implied guidance with the upside from the fourth quarter. Gross margin increased 140 basis points year over year and 200 basis points excluding the drag from lower COVID volume than 2023. Speaker 300:25:54Outside COVID, the year over year increase was driven by strong productivity and net realized price. We'll continue to see COVID headwind on the year over year margin growth for 2025. In 2024, we continue to evaluate our operations and assets to ensure we are well positioned to grow. As a result, we have continued to execute activities under the restructuring plan started in the middle of twenty twenty three. In the fourth quarter, we incurred approximately $45,000,000 in non recurring restructuring and other inventory related charges. Speaker 300:26:29The majority was non cash inventory write offs from further product rationalization. It was also a result of further evaluation of the inventory positions of certain materials secured in turbulent supply conditions during the pandemic. The valuation also considered the market conditions of the last eighteen months and incorporated updated product strategies developed with new senior product management. Incorporating all of this, demand and product mix projections were revised as a part of the company's annual strategic planning and budget sessions in 2024. Where inventory exceeded the projected requirements to be used before reaching their expiration date, they are written off. Speaker 300:27:10These charges are non recurring in nature and therefore are reflected as expenses only in our GAAP P and L for the fourth quarter and full year and not in our non GAAP adjusted results. We believe the restructuring plan started in 2023 is essentially complete and we are well positioned to continue margin expansion in 2025. That said, we will continuously execute cost savings initiatives under our RPS productivity program and evaluate our site footprint, especially as we continue to make acquisitions. Continuing through the P and L, our adjusted income from operations was $25,000,000 in the fourth quarter and $82,000,000 for the full year, down approximately $5,000,000 and $6,000,000 versus 2023, respectively. The full year reduction is driven by $11,000,000 of twenty twenty three COVID related sales and $12,000,000 from the impact of bonuses returning to normal levels for 2024. Speaker 300:28:10Partially offsetting these impacts was income growth through price, manufacturing productivity and operating expense management. Our full year adjusted operating expenses are up approximately $16,000,000 versus last year, almost entirely driven by an increase in performance based bonuses we paid in 2024. Fourth quarter operating expenses were up about 4% year over year and were essentially higher than the third quarter, primarily due to the nature of year end expenses, sales investments and some additional costs for Tonti for the month of December. The team has done a good job in 2024 balancing cost management, while ensuring we are positioned to support growth and making necessary investments. We delivered fourth quarter twenty twenty four adjusted operating income margins of 14.9% consistent with the third quarter and with that ended the full year with 12.9% adjusted operating income margin near the midpoint of our prior guidance. Speaker 300:29:11This was down 100 basis points from 2023, which as mentioned earlier includes about 300 basis points of headwind from prior COVID business and bonuses returning to normal levels. Our full year adjusted EBITDA margin rate was 18.5%, which reflects the impact of greater than five percent point drag from depreciation on adjusted operating income. Adjusted net income for the fourth quarter was $25,000,000 and the full year was $89,000,000 down about $4,000,000 or 5% from 2023. Improved adjusted other income from higher interest income essentially offset the year over year reduction in adjusted operating income. That said, about $5,000,000 of higher adjusted income tax provisions fell through to adjusted net income. Speaker 300:30:04Our full year adjusted effective tax rate was 20.4% in line with our guidance, but more than four points higher than last year. Adjusted fully diluted earnings per share for the fourth quarter was $0.44 compared to $0.48 in the same period in 2023. For the full year 2024, adjusted fully diluted earnings per share was $1.58 about $0.07 lower than last year. Finally, our cash position at the end of 2024 was $757,000,000 down $27,000,000 Speaker 400:30:41sequentially after using $55,000,000 Speaker 300:30:41for the settlement of our for the settlement of our Tanti acquisition as expected. This was partially offset by another strong quarter of strong cash flow from operations as we generated $42,000,000 For the full year, we generated 178,000,000 of cash flow from operations, 56% more than 2023 on improved working capital management. I'll now move to an update on our guidance for the full year of 2025. I'll speak to adjusted financial guidance, but please note that our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliations for our 2025 guidance are included in the reconciliation tables in today's earnings press release. And for further clarity, our guidance is fully inclusive of our December acquisition of Tanti. Speaker 300:31:31That said, we do not expect to report acquisition related revenue for Tanti as their products will be used as a component in our Avatide resin sales. As highlighted earlier by Olivier, our revenue for 2025 is expected to be in the range of $685,000,000 to $710,000,000 This represents growth of eight percent to 12% on a reported basis or 9.5% to 13.5% organic growth and 10% to 14% growth for our non COVID business. Given the volatility related to currency exchange, we have assumed about a 150 basis points of year over year headwind. Any additional fluctuations higher or lower could change that view. We will report organic growth rates in our quarterly results removing the impact of currency. Speaker 300:32:20And as mentioned earlier, we do not currently have acquisition sales to remove from our organic growth rates. As Olivier shared, we expect revenues in the second half of twenty twenty five to be higher than the first half. We expect the first quarter will step down a bit sequentially from the fourth quarter, but with year over year growth roughly in line with the lower end of our full year guidance. We expect to deliver adjusted gross margins in the range of 51% to 52% with expansion from 2024. This is consistent with the 100 to 200 basis points of expansion that we have shared in our 2025 framework, now including roughly 50 basis points of headwind from foreign currency. Speaker 300:33:02We expect gross margin expansion will be driven by increased volume leverage, price improvements, manufacturing productivity and strategic sourcing savings, offset primarily by inflation and some 2024 COVID sales drag. Manufacturing productivity will be driven by our Repligen performance system across all categories of cost of goods sold. We expect to see our price return to historic levels of low single digit given the current market environment. Our current outlook on gross margin reflects the net effect of assumed currency headwinds. However, it does not include any impact from potential tariffs being discussed in the current global trade environment. Speaker 300:33:44We believe we would have minimal impacts from changes in trade with China, Mexico and Canada. That said, we continue to monitor the broader global trade environment as changes with Europe would have a much larger impact on Repligen. We expect our adjusted income from operations to be between $99,000,000 to $106,000,000 or 14% to 15% adjusted operating income margin, which is up 100 to 200 basis points versus 2024. Inflation, Tonti and investments in operating expenses will be the key headwinds. We expect to more than make up for that with gross margin improvements from volume leverage, price and manufacturing productivity. Speaker 300:34:28Overall, we will continue to manage operating expenses to grow slightly less than sales as we continue to balance cost efficiency with investments that are critical for growth and necessary to be fit for growth. We plan to increase R and D spending versus 2024. We will invest in the sales team with more application support and added leadership in Asia, and we plan to make G and A investments in tools and processes. Adjusted EBITDA margins are expected to be in the range of 20% to 21% for the year. Continuing through the P and L, we expect our adjusted other income to be down year over year by an estimated $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 or $23,000,000 to $24,000,000 This reflects an estimated one percentage point of lower average interest rate versus 2024. Speaker 300:35:18This may fluctuate with actual Fed actions taken through the year and it assumes minimal change in cash balance. Our 2025 adjusted effective tax rate is expected to increase to an estimated 22% to 23%. The increase versus twenty twenty four's ending rate of 20.4% is driven primarily by the absence of stock based compensation windfall benefit that we have seen in the last several years. We will continue to evaluate tax planning options to improve from here. Incorporating all of these items, we expect our adjusted fully diluted earnings per share to be between $1.67 and $1.76 up $0.09 to $0.18 respectively versus last year. Speaker 300:36:03We've entered 2025 with a strong balance sheet. We remain prudent in our spending while maintaining flexible dry powder for potential acquisitions. Our CapEx spending is expected to be down another 20% to 25% versus twenty twenty four with our spending back to pre COVID levels. As we wrap, let me reiterate our excitement to move forward in 2025 and our optimism about the bioprocessing market improving through the course of the year. We will remain laser focused on the execution of our strategic priorities, accelerating and maintaining above market growth, developing best in class innovation, expanding margins, maintaining our focus on strong M and A discipline and ensuring our people, processes and tools are fit in enabling our growth. Speaker 300:36:51With that, I will turn the call back to the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:36:57Thank you. Today's first question comes from Dan Arias with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:37:28Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for the questions here. Olivier, maybe a place to start would just to be to ask how things have evolved here. I mean, last quarter you felt good about CDMOs and capital equipment. You were cautious on China and emerging biotech. Speaker 500:37:42Is there anything that shifted at all? And it seems like order activity stepped up, but I would love to just hear what you think is most important here to start the year. And then I guess I'd specifically be interested in those Tier two CDMO accounts that showed some good signs of life last quarter. How confident are you in the sustainability of the improvement that it looks like you're seeing here? Thank you. Speaker 200:38:03Yes, Phil. I understand for the question. So you're absolutely right. I mean, what was really important for us in quarter four was a confirmation like both CDMO and capital equipment turnaround that we started to see in quarter three was really fully confirmed. And in fact, we had a huge acceleration on both sides. Speaker 200:38:20I mean, particularly on the CDMO side where we had sales and orders increasing tremendously in quarter four. I mean, our sales were up more than 40% and our orders were up more than 11%, which as mentioned in the script has brought us back to almost the same amount of growth at CDMO as we had at pharma for the entire year. And then we love that because we think CDMOs are like the exact reflection of the health of the entire ecosystem. And you mentioned the big guys. In fact, growth came from both Tier one and Tier two CDMOs. Speaker 200:38:55But yes, partially as the big guys, we see a lot of traction happening right now. They've announced a lot of big deals and I think the entire ecosystem is starting to benefit from it right now for sure. And then on capital equipment, that's the other one where probably we saw an improvement earlier than others and we had an incredible confirmation in quarter four. I mean, our sales were up more than 20% and our orders were up 25% versus quarter four of last year. So we've seen a huge improvement and we think our state of the art system offering is definitely positioning us very well on that side. Operator00:39:39The next question comes from Rachel Vatinstall with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:39:44Perfect. Good morning and thank you for taking the questions you guys. So I wanted to dig into the opportunity with ATF here. You mentioned that ATF grew above 50% for the year. So could you walk us through how much revenue did you guys do in ATF in 2024? Speaker 600:39:59And then separately, you've talked about getting spec'd into a blockbuster drug for ATF. You've also alluded to the fact that you may get spec'd into a second blockbuster drug. So how should we think about the timing of that benefit of getting specked in? Is there anything assumed for these blockbuster opportunities into 2025 guidance or would that be upside at this point? Speaker 200:40:18Yes. Thanks, Rachel. So as you know, the filtration business is the biggest of all of our businesses. It's more than half, about 60% of our total business. It did about US373 million dollars in 2024. Speaker 200:40:32We've never given the exact numbers of ATF, but it's the biggest part of the filtration business we have right now. And we are benefiting obviously from the fact we got designing in many late phase, if not commercial drugs over the last twelve to eighteen months. So what I mentioned in quarter three is a blockbuster that is on the market and the typical timeline when you get confirmation you're designing in a commercial drug, you're getting the orders within a quarter, you're going to deliver the hardware probably within the next six to twelve months and then you start to see the consumable sales happening probably after a year or so. So for us, it's all about making sure we have wins quarter by quarter and then that we have somehow more and more of this installed base because then the consumable share is going to increase. And in fact, for the first time in 2024, our consumables ATF sales were above our hardware sales, which is a sign like indeed the installed base is becoming really significant right now. Speaker 200:41:35So the last piece I would mention is, we've had we've been very successful getting design in with ATF at all CDMOs. I think in fact nine of the top 10 CDMOs are using ATF very broadly. And now a lot of pharma company are also starting to use ATF. So we so best is still to come. So a lot of tailwind coming on the consumable side for sure. Speaker 600:41:58Great. Thank you guys. Operator00:42:01The next question is from Puneet Souda with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:42:07Yes. Hi, Olivier, Jason. Thanks for taking my questions here. I'll wrap up in one question. I think the question here is just in terms of how sustainable are the order trends that you're seeing? Speaker 700:42:23Just given the backdrop of what we have seen from the peers, a recovery that hasn't been as smooth as one would have expected even back in 'twenty three or 'twenty four. Just so sort of trying to get a sense of that. And then wondering if you can elaborate if January and February order trends were also comparable to the Q4 and or maybe even the stronger, if you could elaborate on that? Thank you. Speaker 200:42:50Yes, absolutely. So I'll start probably by talking about the fact in 2024, our order intake has increased every single quarter after the other the previous one. So basically from quarter one to quarter two, quarter '2 to quarter three, quarter '3 to quarter four. And in fact between quarter four and quarter one, our order intake went up by 18%. So that's what we are very happy about because we've seen a progress of order intake really quarter by quarter. Speaker 200:43:17I would add to that and I know we don't want to talk too much about book to bill anymore. But as you know, we've been the first one releasing book to bill ratio above one and now it's like for six to seven quarters in a row. So that's why we're also very confident that the return to growth we've been experiencing now is very sustainable. And the last piece I would mention is really if I look at all of our franchises excluding protein, our order intake in 2024 was up double digit. So that's another very strong signal like we've got a strong portfolio of products. Speaker 200:43:50We recently said like about 80% of our portfolio is very differentiated. And I think that's a reflection of the growth we've seen in orders for the last several quarters now. Speaker 700:44:03And just to be clear on in the quarter itself, are you seeing any trends that give you confidence overall? Speaker 200:44:12Yes. So as you know very well, Puneet, we typically don't comment on the current quarter. All I can say is, we think are doing well and we are absolutely fine so far, yes. Speaker 400:44:23Okay. Thank you. Operator00:44:27The next question comes from Matt Larew with William Blair. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:44:34Hi. Good morning. It looks like based on recent order trends that there is pretty good visibility across the portfolio. Of course, the one area that really you're pawned for a different 2524% is proteins and you alluded to what that is. Could you really speak to the visibility on the protein side to that 10% to 15% growth? Speaker 800:44:54And maybe within that comment on any early traction you're seeing with the new product launch and anticipation of other product launches this year? Speaker 200:45:03Yes. Thanks, Matt, for the question. We knew like 2024 would be a tax year for protein. And in fact we were on third thinking we have probably million to million of headwind and it played out a little bit better than we expected, not that much better, but a little bit better. And the good news is as we knew it was a reset year. Speaker 200:45:23I mean the business at the top two OEM partners we had is almost down to zero right now, which means like no more headwind coming from that side. And what has been really good for us in 2024 is we progress really strongly on the rest of the portfolio and partially on our Avidide and our coming Tanti business where we won several deals for custom ligands or custom resin development. And as you just mentioned, we also launched our first resin using the 20 beats, the double stranded RNA resin, which has got really good traction so far. But the best is to come. I mean, we've got several product launches that are planned in 2025, focusing mostly on new modalities. Speaker 200:46:07So we really think like from this point we are today, we should be back to the double digit growth that we experienced before the hit with the other OEM partners. And what I love even more than anything else else is we've got our Disney in our hands much more today. I mean, it's so good that we can develop and launch our own resins because then we can really control our own commercial activities to the large extent. And then the collaboration with Purolite on the other side is also doing very well and we are working very closely with our partners on monoclonal antibody here. Operator00:46:47The next question comes from Jacob Johnson with Stephens. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:46:53Hey, good morning, everybody. Maybe following up on Rachel's ATF question kind of in a bigger picture way. Olivia, you mentioned CDMOs have adopted ATF. It seems like some traction with pharma recently. Kind of why are you seeing these wins with ATF now? Speaker 900:47:11It's a technology that's been around for a while. Are these seeds that were planted years ago? Is this key account strategy good execution by the sales team? Just curious kind of qualitatively what's been driving the ATF wins recently? Speaker 200:47:25Yes. No, it's a great question, Jacob. And it's a bit of all what you mentioned. I mean, so what people may not realize is we've got a large scale ATF solution, which is where people typically start putting their hand on the ATF technology, meaning like typically maybe three, four, five years ago also some of these company would have started testing the technology at the lab scale and realizing that it was working really well and then they might have decided to start getting it up a few years later and then have a couple of great successes operating at larger scale and so on. And then you know how it is with new technologies. Speaker 200:48:03Once the technology starts to be really well known in the industry, people are probably capable to adopt that faster and then just decide to move on maybe in a record timeframe versus what they would have done before. So if I look at the last big win we talked about in quarter three, which is a commercial drug, I mean, it's fair to say this one has been moving really fast and we start to see companies telling us, hey, we've got the proof of concept, this technology works really well. So and considering the regulatory changes are limited, we can probably activate implementing that technology faster than we would implement the technology that is not known at all in the industry. So it's a bit of a mix. You've got people who are faster than others. Speaker 200:48:48You've got people who have been having their hand on the technology for several years. What I all I can tell you is we still have a lot of wins, new wins coming, which is why we are also confident about the future and the wins are now beyond monocular antibodies where we start to see multiple wins on the new modality side using ACF as well. Speaker 900:49:08Got it. Super helpful. Thanks, Olivier. Operator00:49:12The next question is from Connor McNamara with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:49:19Hi. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on a solid quarter. Can you just talk about what end market assumptions you've incorporated into your fiscal twenty twenty five guide? You guided to Q1 that's going to be at the low end of your guidance range and then that would assume there's some acceleration for you guys. Is that are you assuming that end markets kind of return to historic growth rates by the end of the year or is it more Repligen specific that's driving that acceleration throughout the year? Speaker 200:49:49Yes, that's a really good question, Conor. I mean, again, I think we see ourselves a bit different than others from the point of view. Again, 80% of our portfolio is very differentiated. So I can't really talk about the global market and then how people would see it from their own angle at this stage. Well, what we see from our side is we are probably back to the same pattern we experienced before COVID where typically H2 is a little bit higher than H1, where the strongest quarter in the year is always quarter four and then quarter one, quarter '3 being a little bit lower, meaning we're going to see certain acceleration from quarter one to quarter two. Speaker 200:50:28That kind of the pattern we always experienced before COVID and we think we're pretty much back to the same situation for us in 2025 here. Speaker 400:50:39Great. Thanks. And then just on pricing, can you quantify pricing impact in 2024 and what you've incorporated in the 2025 guide? Thanks for the question. Speaker 300:50:50Yes. So we achieved kind of that low single digit pricing back to the historical levels that we've traditionally seen and expect a similar case in 2025. So we feel like from that angle, our product differentiation allows us to capture price, but to do it modestly and balance that with our customer relationships and again keeping our products cost competitive for those solutions. So we'll continue on that same trend. Operator00:51:22The next question comes from Matt Hewitt with Craig Hallum. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:51:27Good morning and congratulations on the strong finish to the year. A couple of questions regarding the equipment sales. Obviously, you're seeing a strong recovery there. Was there any budget flush impact in Q4? And I guess another question would be looking at your peers, some of them are still talking about headwinds on the equipment side. Speaker 1000:51:47What do you think is a key differentiator for you versus maybe some of the issues that your peers are still having? Thank you. Speaker 200:51:54Yes. Thanks, Matt, for the question. I think we need to look at hardware from one point of view, which is you've got what I call really the lab small scale type of hardware on one side, which is the C Tech part of our business. And then you've got more of the manufacturing larger scale type of hardware, which is what we call RTC on one side and large scale system on the other side. So if I look at the first bucket, which is more of the small scale type of hardware, we know like there is always a very strong quarter four and we experienced it. Speaker 200:52:27I mean, we said it in the script. I mean, we are the record quarter ever for since we acquired C Tech in terms of both orders and sales in quarter four. And I want to say probably half of it is like beginning of the start of a recovery for those smaller type of software. And I think that some of these analytical company have seen the same I think in quarter four. And then the other half is definitely coming from the seasonality where quarter four is always a quarter where you want to use your budget and then the order intake is always the higher saver. Speaker 200:52:59But then for the rest of the portfolio, which is really what I call the manufacturing situation is different. And then here, Matt, I want to think like the fact we launched from products that are real state of the art, really high-tech and not only high-tech from a hardware point of view, but combined with our PAT flow VPX technology, which is now included is almost 20% to 25% of every system we are selling is giving us a huge competitive advantage, which is why we are certainly gaining market share on that side. And then here, I mean, it depends. I mean, the fact we see CDMOs recovering so well makes me feel like we that's one of the reason why we start to see so much more CapEx spending again coming from CDMO and we've seen quite a bit of it in quarter four. So really on that side, which is a manufacturing hardware, I think we're gaining market share with probably better products, more and more features with our PAT technologies and certainly also very focused on new modalities, which as you know with the launch of RS10 in particular, we've had a lot of wins over the last several quarters now. Speaker 1000:54:08The Operator00:54:11next question is from Sabu Nambi with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:54:18Hi, guys. Thank you for taking my question. And a follow-up to the previous question. First off, thank you for clearly laying it out on how you achieved your 2025 guidance. Outside of ATF, I wanted to get additional color on why are you focused on newer modalities and packs in specific? Speaker 1100:54:33Are there areas where you see there is an unmet need and therefore winning accounts is easier or versus displacing some of the larger players? Speaker 200:54:43Yes. Thanks for the question, Subbu. We love new modalities for a lot of reasons. And I try to just mention maybe a couple of them. The first one is, when you look at the current pipeline of pharmaceutical company, I mean today almost half of the products they have in their pipeline are coming from new modalities. Speaker 200:55:03And obviously, it makes the life of the global end of R and D from those big pharma company very complex because we are probably in the past they were dealing with three or four different type of products. Now they have to deal with 10 to 15 different ones. So what do these guys need? They need a company that is capable to support them and support them with customized solution, support them with agility and the ability to turn around a solution for the problem they are facing that they don't have a good solution for. And we think we are doing well here because we are indeed agile and we are faster probably than many others to develop and launch new products and that's what probably those company really appreciate from us. Speaker 200:55:46So that's really one side I think of the picture that is very important. The second one really about new modalities, so diversity that I also very interesting from the point of view, there is not one solution that fits it all. I mean, you have to really be capable to adjust the way you look at manufacturing from a totally different angle because if you compare manufacturing of CAR T product on one side, manufacturing of a viral vector on the other side and our ADCs and so on and so on, I mean, they all have totally different requirements. And here again, you need to be capable to sit around the table and support the people the right way. And I think we all know like from a therapeutical point of view, there are beautiful stuff happening and that's probably in the next five to ten years a lot of these diseases that are not being cured today will be cured by some of these new modalities. Speaker 200:56:42So we are absolutely very excited about it and we think we are bringing a lot of good solutions to our customers on that side. Operator00:56:54The next question comes from Justin Bowers with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Speaker 1200:57:00Hi, good morning, everyone. Olivier, can you expand upon the strength you saw in hardware during the quarter? Did that include any platform wins, either expansions or new placements there? And maybe talk about just where which franchises you saw some of the strength in? Speaker 200:57:25Yes. No, absolutely. I mean, so on hardware, I talked already about Artisan and about the large scale system. Don't forget that also a big part of our ATS business consists in system as well, so in hardware. So it's across the board. Speaker 200:57:41I mean, as we mentioned, as you heard, that ATF did very well in 2024 and obviously the hardware part of ATF did very well in 2024 as well. And then on the rest, which is more the filtration and chromatography systems, which is now today very, very much depending on the artist in portfolio we acquired several years ago. So again, the reason why we are very successful here is because we've got very differentiating solutions with very high technology on one side and combination with PAC technologies on the other side and people really like them. I mean, the people probably didn't know us much two years ago. Now they start to know us much more and with the key account management focus we had particularly at some of these big pharma as indeed we are starting to get platform. Speaker 200:58:27I mean, I want to say three or four big pharma company have decided to start performing us last year for their CFF manufacturing solution. So that's definitely for us a big, big win we had in 2024. And then the last piece, partly for the assets in portfolio is there is full stickiness of consumable, meaning like once you install an RF system, you're going to get a flow of single use consumables for the next five to ten years. And that's going to be obviously a very significant tailwind for our business for the next few years as well here. Speaker 1200:59:04Thank you. And then one quick follow-up just on the strength ex and APAC ex China and some of the growth initiatives there. Is that currently being driven by CDMO or is there participation there in pharma and biotech as well? And where are you focusing the growth? Speaker 200:59:26Yes. I don't know exactly to tell you the truth, Justine. I would like to say that, I mean, if you think about a country like Korea, obviously, you've got both the biggest CDMO in the world and you've got probably one of the biggest biosimilar company in the world. So if you think about a country like that and I know I'm only picking up two companies down there, but you would say it's probably pretty balanced between the two. I don't have the exact number or something we would need to check. Speaker 200:59:55But back to the numbers themselves, I mean, you're right, like Asia did very well for us in 2024, excluding China. And in fact, APAC for the full year grew 12%, excluding China in terms of sales. And in terms of orders we grew around 16%. So it was a really good year for us. I mentioned Korea, which is obviously a big area of focus for us and others as well. Speaker 201:00:20But people try and forget country like Japan as well who have been rebounding very nicely now for the last two to three years because of government after COVID has decided to invest a lot of money. And then Singapore, which is kind of benefiting from the side of the softer China where people are back to invest a lot in Singapore as well. So, yes, Asia outside of China did very well for us in 2024 and we've got big hopes that growth is going to accelerate in 2025 and beyond. And then on China, we think we've reached a bottom. I mean our orders in the second half of twenty twenty four were slightly higher than our orders in the first half. Speaker 201:01:00So we are hoping we've reached a bottom and we are going to be back to growth mode somewhere probably around the second half of twenty twenty five. Operator01:01:13The next question comes from Paul Knight with KeyBanc. Speaker 1301:01:21Regarding the recovery in CDMOs, what do you think is happening there? Is it they're getting past making material for COVID or they're seeing better financing from biotech? It's been odd that they've been really bullish, but now we're starting to see if their orders for companies like Repligen, if you could comment on that first. Thanks. Speaker 201:01:45Yes. No, Paul, absolutely. And that's obviously a question we're asking ourselves every day. I'll start with the big CDMOs. I mean, the big CDMOs, what their obsession is to get those very large long term ten year supply contract with big pharma company on commercial drugs. Speaker 201:02:03And I mean if you look at the top two, if not maybe the top three or four, I mean they have announced some of these very big deals over the last several months. And I mean some of these deals have been the highest they have ever signed. And when you are one of these big CDM roles, I mean this is giving you a lot of clarity, a lot of confidence over the next five to ten years because you are kind of secured with the base business. You need to have to be successful for the next five to ten years. And then you can start to do cool things, with which is to grab maybe smaller products, earlier phase products that are going to be the products for the future. Speaker 201:02:41So I think the big guys are definitely in very good shape today. What I found interesting when we looked at our numbers was to see that the tail end, the smaller CDM or the Tier two as we call them, did very well for us for the last two quarters. And here you would say it's probably because they are also benefiting from some of the tail end of sort of the big pharma products that are not a good fit to the larger CDMOs because they are probably smaller in size. But also I think the BioSecure Act definitely had some impact for some of the Tier two CDMO, particularly in The U. S. Speaker 201:03:15Where we know some of these guys have benefited from it. In terms of the funding of small biotech, I mean, that's something we're still looking at very carefully. There was some improvement last year. I think the total funding was up about 45% versus 2023. What we didn't like too much was a trend where quarter by quarter funding went down, I mean, from $18,000,000,000 in quarter one to $15,000,000,000 in quarter two and then 12 and 12 in quarter three and quarter four. Speaker 201:03:44And I want to say, January was pretty weak as well as around $3,000,000,000 to $3,500,000,000 So that is something we still need to watch. If there is one segment that we think has not really recovered completely yet, it's resource small biotech. Speaker 1301:04:00And then lastly, I know you have a lot of hollow fiber capacity. What do you plan to do there? Could you use that capacity to somehow get into the GLP-one market? Or is that kind of just still in R and D? Speaker 201:04:15Yes. No, that's a really good question. I mean, among a lot of stuff we want to focus on, one of them is to make sure we spend more time with our commercial team to get a design in with some of these very differentiating products we have. And it's not only auto fiber, it's several others as well. So that's an initiative. Speaker 201:04:33And when you hear about the fact we are investing more into sales, I mean that's definitely one of the area where we want to get more of these application specialists in our team so that we can spend more time designing those beautiful technologies we have that we know are going to get more and more successes in the future. And then the Holofiber is one of them, it's not the only Speaker 301:04:55one. Thank you. Speaker 901:05:01We have Maybe one more Speaker 201:05:03question and yes. Operator01:05:04Our last question today will come from Deb Senkel with Wolfe Research. Speaker 1401:05:10Please go ahead. Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. There was an earlier question about your year end instrument performance versus peers and we're always hesitant to make calls about share shifts in an increasingly sticky market. That said, I am wondering if you are seeing any pickup in customers swapping out existing lines for your products in what seems to be an environment where, at least based on what we're hearing from others, it seems like the build out of new lines is still muted. So I'm wondering if that's some of what's different about what's going on with you versus peers. Speaker 1401:05:51And then just very quickly on guidance and really just pacing, given the order strength in Q4 and given how short it is now for you to or how not long it takes for you to fulfill orders, It does seem like Q1, the commentary would seemingly derisk things fairly substantially. I just want to make sure we're not missing anything in terms of the size of the orders, the duration of the orders, because it certainly seems like the bias would be to the upside given how you guided and the strength of orders into your end? Thank you. Speaker 201:06:32Yes, sure. No, I mean, for the first part of the question, I want to start by saying we are a very small actor on the hardware market. I mean, let's be honest, we are coming from a very low level. So obviously, when you're coming with new products on this very significant market and you're bringing beautiful products and you don't have a lot of market share, at the beginning of the day, you can really only win unless you're not doing the job properly. So, that's probably why we're seeing that market from a bit of a different angle. Speaker 201:07:05This being said, yes, we have had a lot of great wins over the last several quarters and because we do have great products again combined with the right PAT technology. So we are definitely gaining market share. I mentioned earlier, what we like is we start to get platform at some of these big pharma companies who started buying one, two, three systems maybe a couple of years ago and now who are buying one new system every other month. And that's something we are really very happy about because it means not only they like the product we launched a few years ago, but once they've been starting to use it, they realize like it's a big differentiator. So that's definitely where we see traction, but again we're coming from a low point in terms of having very low market share. Speaker 201:07:48And then just to answer the latter part of your question, yes, you're right. I mean typically hardware have a lead time of three to six months. So you would assume like the orders you have in your plan for sale in quarter one, you received them already in the previous quarter. That's absolutely fair, which is different from consumable where you can get consumable order in the quarter to deliver in the same quarter. So with this, I think we'll wrap it up for today. Speaker 201:08:20So thank you for joining the call. We really appreciate the time you took and we are all excited about the year to come and we'll talk soon together again. Thank you so much. Cheers. Operator01:08:33Cheers.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by