NYSE:TXNM TXNM Energy Q4 2024 Earnings Report $52.62 -0.16 (-0.30%) As of 04/16/2025 03:58 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast TXNM Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.30Consensus EPS $0.30Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/ATXNM Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$476.96 millionExpected Revenue$496.05 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$19.09 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATXNM Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/21/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateFriday, February 21, 2025Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsTXNM Energy's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by TXNM Energy Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 21, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and welcome to the TX Nano Energy Q4 twenty twenty four Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:34Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, Ashia, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning for the TXNM Energy twenty twenty four earnings call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at txnmenergy.com. Joining me today are TXNM Energy Chairman and CEO, Pat Vincent Calant President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Terry and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Lisa Eden. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that TXNM Energy assumes no obligation to update this information. Speaker 100:01:32For a detailed discussion of factors affecting TXNM Energy results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10 K, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as reports on Form eight K filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat. Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on the eve of National Margarita Day. We thought that bringing this day to your attention now would allow you to celebrate the holiday on its eve and on the actual day. Speaker 100:02:07You can thank us for that later. I'll start on slide four with our financial results and company updates. Ongoing earnings for 2024 are $2.74 per share at the high end of our guidance for the year. This continues our strong track record of achieving our targets. We are introducing guidance for 2025 at a range of $2.74 to $2.84 per share. Speaker 100:02:37This reflects strong growth in Texas and incorporates the Utica settlement in our rate request in New Mexico, which I will talk more about in a minute. We also incorporated this P and M unopposed settlement into our long term targets along with the incremental investment opportunities we have shared over the last year. Our five year investment plan in Texas Lisa Speaker 200:03:05will Speaker 100:03:09provide more details on all those numbers. Lisa will provide more details on all those numbers. Now for a few company updates. In December, the Board increased the dividend by 5%. This keeps us within our targeted payout ratio of 50% to 60% for 2025. Speaker 100:03:33Given our strong investment opportunities, the Board believes this is the appropriate target. Before I hand it over to Don for an update on our utilities, I want to highlight two outstanding regulatory accomplishments for the year. At PNM, the team's engagement with stakeholders has provided us the opportunity to bring an unopposed stipulation to the New Mexico Public Regulation Commission and our pending rate request. This is a significant accomplishment and I am very proud of the work that the team has done. At TNMP, our team put together their first system resiliency plan and reached a unanimous settlement with parties in the fourth quarter. Speaker 100:04:16This plan includes significant improvement to our system to strengthen resiliency against severe weather events, including wildfire prevention and vegetation management. Don, I'll turn it over to you for more details. Speaker 200:04:32Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I'll turn on Slide six with TNMP. TNMP continues to set new system peak records, including another one in December, finishing the year with an 18% increase over the 2023 peak. We are still seeing growth across the board from our traditional volumetric and demand based customers and from data centers on both distribution and transmission basis. Data center demand on our system totaled over 600 megawatts at the end of the year, which reflects 200 megawatts added during the fourth quarter. Speaker 200:05:09Our interconnection requests in 2024 were 10% higher than the number of requests in 2023, leading to an increased growth expectation in 2025. We are expecting 2% to 4% growth from distribution customers build on a volumetric basis and 4% to 6% from customers build on a demand basis. On the regulatory front, Pat talked about the unopposed settlement in our system resiliency plan filing with $566,000,000 of capital investments. This adds to the successful year of semi annual TCOS and DCRF filings that we discussed last quarter recovering over $350,000,000 of new rate base. In West Texas, the projects described as common in ERCOT's Permian Basin Reliability Study are moving forward after receiving no protests. Speaker 200:06:03We are working through the process set forth by the commission and executing the local projects and developing schedules for the required CCN filings. We are also securing the equipment needed for these projects. As we look forward to 2025 and beyond, on Slide seven, we will continue to focus on supporting the high level of growth in Texas with a reliable and resilient grid. We have increased our capital investments to support a higher level of core projects across our service territory. The capital spending for the Permian Basin reliability common projects have been incorporated into our five year plan. Speaker 200:06:42Approximately $350,000,000 is included through 2029, while the remaining $400,000,000 is in 02/1930. Projects will be cleared into service individually and included in our TCOS filings as they are completed. There is still an opportunity for incremental investments associated with the three forty five kV import pass, although we have not included this in our capital or earnings power. ERCOT has recommended in favor of the higher voltage alternatives, which will not ERCOT plan. The future is expected to make a decision on the import pass voltage by May. Speaker 200:07:22We have already included the capital in our forecast for 2025 through 2027. We expect that Union Feeds capital will continue to include a similar level of spending at $200,000,000 per year as we each of the specific and apply our learning plans. We'll not meet a specific assumption around mobile generation as we expect ongoing legislative session to modify the rules in place. In total, we increased T and A by just over one to a total of $4,200,000,000 We expect to continue to utilize semi annual key costs and DCRF mechanisms to recover our capital investments. We have talked about filing a base rate review in 2025, recognizing that the components of our base rates last approved in 2018 have changed over time. Speaker 200:08:22We will look to file this case near the end of the year after we make both of our TCOS and DCRF filings. Let's move on to P and M on Slide eight. We continue to make progress on our transition to clean energy. We added another 500 megawatts of solar and storage to our system in November, bringing our total for the year to approximately 1,500 megawatts and nearly doubling our carbon free resource capacity. The resources approved for 2026 will bring our portfolio to 75% carbon free. Speaker 200:08:56The approval of our grid modernization plan was another PNM highlight in 2024 that will bring benefits to our customers. The update to our grid will allow for more customer integration of renewable resources and will provide customers more information to better manage their energy usage. 2024 was a constructive regulatory year for us at PNM. In November, we reached an unopposed stipulation with the intervening parties to our general rate request. The details of the stipulation are in the appendix. Speaker 200:09:28The agreement balance key issues from each of the parties and keeps customers at the forefront with a phased in rate approach. Earlier in the year, we received approval of our grid modernization plan and our 2026 resource application. Workshops held by the commission on regional markets helped us formalize our path to join the California day ahead market, which is expected to bring significant benefits to B and M customers. Turning to Slide nine, we will continue to focus on balancing customer affordability with our systems infrastructure needs. The phase in of our proposed rates in our 2025 rate request is one example. Speaker 200:10:08Under the unopposed stipulation, we will phase in our rates beginning July 2025 with the full amount in April of twenty twenty six. Hearings on our stipulated agreement took place earlier this week, wrapping up on Tuesday. We would expect a decision from the commission in the second quarter ahead of our requested implementation of rates in July. Regional coordination that expands our energy imbalance market and day ahead market could also lower customers' net fuel costs. And we will continue to partner with the state on its efforts for economic development, which has the effect of reducing the per customer cost on system wide investments. Speaker 200:10:48The New Mexico business community has been building momentum for multiple economic development bills in this year's legislative session, including bills focused on utility site readiness. This would allow us to better plan for expected load additions versus waiting to run through regulatory processes after customer agreements are finalized and reduce the amount of time it takes to bring new customers online. Our five year investment includes the approved grid modernization plan and 2026 resource application and also now the 2028 resource Hearings on the 2028 resource are scheduled for early April and we expect a decision from the commission in the third quarter. We have added transmission projects at PNM's Abell two three forty five kV transmission lines to increase the connection to critical transmission paths serving our high load areas. These projects are designed to serve expected increases in system peak demand and ease the constraints on existing lines. Speaker 200:11:51We will need to file for a CCN at the commission, which we expect to do in the second half of this year. We also expect to file an application for new resources identified in our IRP. We issued an all source RFP for resources available between 2029 and 02/1932, and we'll be working through those proposals this year. We forecasted a need of at least 500 megawatts of new capacity by 02/1930 with the actual amount dependent upon the types of resources selected from the independently monitored process. We have not included any amounts associated with our investment plan and we'll wait for that process to play out. Speaker 200:12:30As you can tell, it will be another busy year for us in Texas and New Mexico. With that, I'll turn it over to Lisa for a more detailed look at the numbers. Speaker 100:12:39Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 11 with a recap of 2024 results. Earnings per share was $2.74 coming in at the high end of our guidance for this year. Earnings benefited from recovery of capital investments through TCOS and DCRS mechanisms at TNMP, the implementation of new retail rates at PNM in January and our annual FERC rate update. Higher retail load growth, particularly at P and M, was partially offset by milder weather year over year. Speaker 100:13:19Improved market performance on our decommissioning thrust also improved earnings. Lower market prices reduced our deferred transmission margin. We implemented new depreciation rates at P and M as part of the rate review finalized at the beginning of twenty twenty four, resulting in increased depreciation. We also had higher depreciation, property tax and interest expense associated with new investments year over year. Lastly, dilution impact from shares issued in December of twenty twenty three lowered our per share amount of earnings. Speaker 100:14:00Now turning to 2025 on Slide 12. I'll cover the assumptions around our guidance introduced today at a range of $2.74 to $2.84 P and M includes the midyear implementation of the first phase of customer rate versus a full year of the costs associated with new investments. This also causes more of our quarterly distribution to be weighted to the second half of the year. CNMP is expected to have another year of strong earnings growth as we recover transmission and distribution investments through the TCOS and BTRS mechanisms before filing our rate case towards the end of the year. Detailed year over year drivers for each of our segments are available independent. Speaker 100:14:58On Slide 13, we have rolled forward our capital plans to 2029 and incorporated the additional investments that Dawn discussed, increasing our five year forecast to $7,800,000,000 This is a $1,600,000,000 increase from our prior five year total, largely at TNMP, where rate base grew 17% over the period. And surpasses TNMP retail in 2027, total rate base grows over 12%. I'll cover our financing plans on Slide 14. In 2024, we sold $100,000,000 of equity through our ATM program and settled those shares in December. We also did another $50,000,000 in forward sales under the program during the fourth quarter. Speaker 100:15:59We do not plan to settle those shares until December of twenty twenty five. In June, we issued $550,000,000 of junior subordinated convertible loans to refinance a portion of our term loans at the holding company, providing a debt for debt exchange with equity credit. Our financing plans in 2025 include the refinancing of the remaining $450,000,000 balance of holding company term loans. And we will continue to utilize instruments that provide equity credit for this refinancing. To fund our increased capital investment plan and maintain our credit metrics, we continue to assume the issuance of equity or equity linked securities consistent with our previous statements. Speaker 100:16:54We have assumed the $1,600,000,000 of incremental capital is financed with 44% equity or $700,000,000 This brings our total equity need for this $7,800,000,000 investment plan to $1,300,000,000 This will be achieved through a variety of ways like our ATM program or other offerings, and we will make those decisions based on market opportunities throughout the period. On Slide 15, we have incorporated the updates from our capital and financing plan into our potential earnings power view through 2029. These updates support our increased EPS growth target of 7% to 9%. Our previous target was 6% to 7% using our 2024 guidance midpoint. We have rebased our growth target using this year's guidance midpoint of $2.79 and incorporated several updates. Speaker 100:18:07In this view of our business, the lines of PNM resale, P and M First and P and M P reflects Reece's math and assume and meet our goals to earn our authorized returns using the allowed equity ratio. At P and M Retail, we have incorporated the 9.45% ROE and 51% equity layer from our pending stipulation. The midyear implementation of new rates and the impact of the basin results in the lower earned return in 2025. However, the stipulated increase of our ROE and equity lift layer grows our earnings potential in future years. We also refreshed our capital plan and incorporated a new investments at PNM for our proposed 2028 resource application and planned transmission bill, bumping up the combined rate base for P and M retail and PER to $5,000,000,000 in 2028 and $5,400,000,000 in 2029, increasing P and M's earnings potential. Speaker 100:19:20P and M P is the fastest growing part of our business with rate base growth of 17% over the period. Our updated plan to add $500,000,000 of rate base through 2028 and then continue the higher growth rate through 2029. The earnings growth earnings potential growth at a corresponding rate based on the 9.65% ROE and 45% equity layer last approved for TNMP in 2018. For those of you who may be comparing this slide through a prior version, I'll take a moment to note that the roll forward of our base period also includes a roll forward of our share count to 2025. This has the effects of shifting the 2025 amount previously categorized as financing into each of the utilities to align with our earnings guidance. Speaker 100:20:24To provide additional transparency into our financing impact, we're showing two separate lines. The existing financing line carries forward our 2025 holding company debt balance under a range of different financing alternatives. This line includes the impact of the junior subordinated convertible bond issued in 2024 along with the refinancing of the remaining term loan. The growth financing line contemplates the cost of any new equity or debt issuances at the parent to fund our capital investment plan. A total of $1,300,000,000 of equity content is assumed across the five years with ranges to include varying amounts of types or types of financing instruments. Speaker 100:21:16Taken together, these pieces add up to the potential earnings per share in 2029 of $3.86 at the midpoint, supporting the top half of our 7% to 9% earnings growth target. We are confident in our ability to achieve these targets and create value for shareholders. With that, I'll turn it back over to Pat. Thank you, Lisa. We have our shades on here in New Mexico in part because it is sunny here today, but most importantly because 7% to 9% is a pretty significant growth rate highlighting the high level of growth we are seeing in Texas. Speaker 100:21:58Before I open it up for questions, let me thank our teams across Texas and New Mexico for the wonderful accomplishments they achieved in 2024. I am looking forward to seeing what we can do in 2025. Ashia, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:22:17Thank First question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:22:42Hey, good morning team. Wow, you guys must be feeling pretty cool with those shades on I say, Speaker 100:22:47I had Julian mine her little Martian shades green and yellow, courtesy of Roswell. Speaker 300:22:55There we go. Very apropos to New Mexico indeed. Excellent. And kudos on the update here. Very nicely done. Speaker 300:23:02One of only a handful moving their EPS CAGRs of late. So very good indeed. Maybe to follow-up on that in fact. As you think about what's in the plan and maybe specifically what's not in the plan, can we go through a couple of nuances here? Obviously, you provided some degree of updates here on IRP, but ultimately, especially in the later dated portion of the plan, can you speak a little bit to what the incremental opportunity is? Speaker 300:23:30Again, I just wanted to clarify what's not. And then also, I think you provided some additional commentary in the remarks here on the Permian and the total $750,000,000. But how do you think about the different potential scenarios that could play out in May around that $750,000,000 and upside there as well as any related opportunities that could enter tie into New Mexico? Those are all five questions, Julian. We're going to try. Speaker 400:23:53I think it was what's Speaker 100:23:54the upside to the upside, Julian? Speaker 300:23:58No, absolutely. Let me talk a Speaker 200:24:00little bit about New Mexico first, because I think that's helpful and then I'll jump to Texas. So in New Mexico, I mean, it's a balance for us about portability and our CapEx plan, but there are a few things that are happening in New Mexico that we're excited about. And one of them is economic development legislation, which would allow us to pre build. And that really benefits pre build CapEx infrastructure that we would need to serve larger customers. And that both benefits our existing customers based on rates and and affordability in that arena and also benefits New Mexico as well. Speaker 200:24:38The second element is we did add our first transmission, a small transmission aligned to in the capital plan. And as we look at New Mexico going forward, the opportunity to help existing customers is to remove some of those constraints. So there's going to be opportunities as we think in the latter part of the plan for continued transmission bill to unlock some of those constraints that we have there. And I think the third thing in New Mexico is you were in the midst of the 2029 to 02/1932 RFP and that's the replacement of four corners would be in there. And again, we have to run through that process and don't want to get ahead of that because it is governed by an independent evaluator, but there would be opportunity there. Speaker 200:25:22In the Texas side, we've added a significant amount of opportunity over $1,000,000,000 of capital, But Texas continues to perform well. And I talked a little bit about the interconnections, 10% interconnection requests between 2023 and 2024. And I'll tell you that's in every service area that we operate and that's The Gulf, that's North Of Dallas. They're spread fairly evenly in West Texas. And it's interesting because we're seeing data center interest in each of those. Speaker 200:25:52And in both the residential and we're seeing a significant data interconnection request in in both North Of Dallas as well as the Gulf Coast area. As we think about the play out of the Permian Basin, we're excited that we got the $750,000,000 I know we've added that into our plan. Again, $400,000,000 will be added in 02/1930 when we roll that out next year. I think the three forty five kV as well as the seven sixty five kV, it looks like parties have filed and there is about 10 that are pro with the commission and about eight or nine that are against. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. Speaker 200:26:35As I mentioned, ERCOT has pushed pretty hard for this larger seven sixty five kV. But we'll have to wait and see. If it goes that route, we wouldn't expect any more capital out of that plan. If it goes to three forty five kV, we would see in the upwards of another $900,000,000 So that's kind of the landscape both in Texas and New Mexico as we think forward. Speaker 300:27:00Got it. Yes, a lot Speaker 200:27:02of moving pieces there indeed still on Speaker 300:27:04the upside to the upside as you say. But sorry, in the more mundane sense though, just to come back to nitpicking on the commentary. For 2025 financing activity, I think you said the remaining $4.50 term loan. What structure are you assuming there? And just what's reflected in the updated long term guidance? Speaker 300:27:22I think you alluded to this, but I just want to make it a little bit more explicit. Speaker 100:27:25Yes, Julian. So we're looking at replacing that term loans really just for debt, right? And then include equity content to strengthen our credit metrics. So that's what we're looking to do. Speaker 300:27:41Got it. All right. And that's reflected in the some of that equity content is reflected in the updated EPS? Speaker 100:27:48That's reflected in throughout the earnings period and we split out sort of existing financing. So the term loans are included in that existing financing line and then you have the growth financing and that's really the equity and all the things that are associated with growing the investments and the growing capital budget that we have. Speaker 300:28:14Wonderful. All right, guys. I'll let it be. Thank you so much. All right. Speaker 300:28:17All the best. See you guys soon. Speaker 400:28:18Thank you, Operator00:28:22guys. Our next question comes from Michael Lonergan with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:28:28Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 400:28:31Good morning, Michael. Good morning. Speaker 300:28:33Good morning. So in the Texas legislative session, House Bill 2,868 was introduced. I know it's obviously early in the session, but as it stands now, it would require the PUC to use the utilities actual capital structure or the national average in determining rates. So my question is when you file your Texas rate case towards the end of the year, what are you targeting for your actual capital structure going into the case? Speaker 200:29:00I don't want to hop in front of us filing the actual rate case, but we're very cognizant of the House Bill 2,868. Speaker 300:29:12And then in that rate case, are there any key components or big ticket items we should expecting aside from ROE and capital structure? Obviously, you have the TCOS and DCRF mechanisms covering that capital, but anything in particular we should keep note of? You haven't had the rate case since 2018 as you had mentioned? Speaker 200:29:31Yes. Given the mechanisms in Texas, the TCOS and DCOS, we're fairly close to earning our ROE every year. So it will really be balancing between the distribution and transmission side of the businesses. And it's been we're starting our seventh year. So it's important to go in and allow that balance to happen. Speaker 300:29:54Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. Operator00:30:01Our next question comes from Anthony Cordell with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:30:08Hey, good morning, team. Just one housekeeping question first. What was the song was playing before the call started? Was it like an Eddie Rabbit tune? Speaker 100:30:19No, no, the future is so bright, you've got to wear shades. Speaker 400:30:25Who is the artist on that? Speaker 100:30:28Let me check. Let me check. Speaker 400:30:30That is fine. I could Google it. Excuse me, I wasn't familiar with this, but nicely done. I guess Timbuk3. Timbuk3. Speaker 400:30:42I must have a box set somewhere in my house, a CD box set of that. I guess just quickly not to nitpick on Slide 15, you really lay out the earnings power potential. I don't know if you want to give more clarity, but I think when you talk about the say the growth financing line, I just picked one of the years 2027, the $0.35 to $0.41 I think you talk about that the range there is really different alternatives for equity financing. Could you just tell me what the bookends are? This would assume all equity or this would assume a different type of instrument? Speaker 400:31:19Is there something like that that you would be willing to share? Speaker 100:31:23So Anthony, great to talk to you and great question. I think that when we look at over the five year period, we put out that we're going to do 1,300,000,000 of equity linked securities. And so what we included in this line is just a variety of ways of financing that both from a timing and using different security. And really this line is it's time to give you sort of guidance what that would look like in executing on that equity plan. Speaker 400:31:57I didn't do the math, but does this assume like a linear like linear pro tuitioning equity over the period? Or is there some lumpiness to your assumption of the $1,300,000,000 financing over the plan? Speaker 100:32:11So, Anthony, I mean, capital is not even every year, which means that rate base is not even. And then you have different clearings depending on if you have sort of quicker projects or more long term projects, which means that also financing will also be not evenly spread during that time period. So it's really matching your capital rate base with financing. Speaker 400:32:38Great. And Lisa had asked me to make sure I asked Pat a couple of questions. So Pat, just I know you probably just want to talk about the company, but your other job I think you're the President of EEI. I'm just curious industry's approach to maybe wildfire. I mean I guess my question would be, do you is there a bind with all the utilities where the wildfire sensitivity for your company may be more focused on the some other utilities where maybe urban utility like a Con Edison or something may not be as focused on it. Speaker 400:33:11I'm just wondering about I'm wondering any where DEI or where is the industry focused on maybe wildfire legislation or whatever at the federal level? And is there support though across all the utilities for it? Speaker 100:33:26I think what Anthony, I would love to have that discussion with you, but I will have that offline because wildfire is a complicated story and it is an EEI priority and the good news is the utilities are aligned. But let's take that one that We'll let Ms. Goodman set something up and I can wear my shades for you. Speaker 400:33:44You bet. Thanks so much. Okay. Operator00:33:54The next question comes from Andrew Weisel with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:34:01Hi. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Here in New York, we need to wear sunglasses because it's so bright with the sun reflecting off the snow on the ground. So I'm a little bit jealous. Speaker 300:34:11We're sorry. Well, first one quick question to clarify for Don. I think you mentioned something about mobile generation units in Texas in the prepared remarks. Sorry if I missed it, but just to clarify, did the new CapEx plan include spending related to those tenth gen units or not? Speaker 200:34:29No. We're going to wait till legislation works its way through and the rules were set and then legislate. There's some legislation out there. So we'll wait until that happens and then make some decisions at that point. Speaker 300:34:41Okay. Thanks for clarifying. And on the new CAGR impressive number and certainly a good pickup there. I want to understand how should we think about the wider range at 200 basis points versus 100 previously? Is that a function of the higher numbers or a reflection of regulatory uncertainty? Speaker 300:35:00Or how should we think about that? Speaker 100:35:05I think, Andrew, that we've just we used to have a two percentage points and then we narrowed it and now it's a five year period. There's a lot of CapEx included in this budget. And so we were just comfortable with the 7% to 9% range, a little larger than we've had in the in last year. Speaker 300:35:29Okay. Then lastly for me on the dividend growth, 5% increase. Is that a good bogey for how we should be thinking about the next few years at least till you get to the middle of the targeted 50% to 60%? And then once you get there, should we think about dividend eventually accelerating to match the pace of earnings? Or is that not even a consideration at this point? Speaker 100:35:53No. The Board looks at it every year and there's a variety of factors. And one of it is the pace of earnings, it's our capital spending, etcetera, etcetera. So it can change during the year, but we just I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is we just target at the middle of that payout ratio. Some years it will be a little lower, some years it will be a little under, but the target is the middle. Speaker 300:36:14Okay. So 5% until we get toward that middle probably? Speaker 100:36:19It will change every year. It won't vary significantly, but it does it can vary by year. Speaker 300:36:27Okay, fair enough. Thank you very much everyone. Speaker 100:36:30Thank you. The Operator00:36:35next question comes from Ryan Levine with Citi. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:36:40Good morning, everybody. Happy Seashore Margarita Day. Given the history around Four Corners and the comments made in the prepared remarks, curious if there's any color you could share around the timeline for stakeholder engagement this call? Speaker 200:37:02As it relates to Four Corners itself? Speaker 500:37:05Well, yes. And what type of solutions that any decision there made from Yes. Speaker 200:37:14We've committed to within our rate case and through our interveners that our plan is to exit four corners in 02/1931 when the operating agreement is done and so forth. And that's why we've issued one of the reasons why we've issued the '29 to 32 RFP is a replacement alternative for the Four Corners, our couple of hundred megawatts that are there plus the additional growth that we expect. I Speaker 500:37:41mean, just a follow-up for that. I mean, given all the new generation being built in this country, are there any long lead time items that you need to take action this year or in the near term to be able to address that incremental generation in that? Speaker 200:37:58Yes. Good question. And we issued the RFP a lot sooner than we normally would for that specific reason. So we have the results of that RFP internally by mid year and then as we work through it and so forth. So we're well in advance of what we normally would have issued the RFP on and it's a broader window of that as well too. Speaker 200:38:18And that's the whole reason why we did that process. Speaker 300:38:22Okay. Thank you. Speaker 200:38:25Thank you, Ryan. Operator00:38:29This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Fat Quintin Kullan for any closing remarks. Please go Speaker 100:38:37ahead. Thank you. And thank you all for joining us this morning. We hope you enjoy the eve of National Margarita Day and then again tomorrow. We'll see I'm sure many of you soon on the road. Speaker 100:38:47Thank you all. Bye bye. Operator00:38:51The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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Email Address About TXNM EnergyTXNM Energy (NYSE:TXNM), through its subsidiaries, provides electricity and electric services in the United States. It operates through Public Service Company of New Mexico (PNM) and Texas-New Mexico Power Company (TNMP) segments. The PNM segment engages in the generation, transmission, and distribution of electricity. The segment owns and leases communications, office and other equipment, office space, vehicles, and real estate. It generates electricity using coal, natural gas and oil, and nuclear fuel and waste, as well as solar, wind, geothermal, and battery storage energy sources. The TNMP segment provides regulated transmission and distribution services. The segment also owns and leases vehicles, service facilities, and office locations throughout its service territory. The company serves residential, commercial, and industrial customers and end-users of electricity in New Mexico and Texas. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and welcome to the TX Nano Energy Q4 twenty twenty four Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:34Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, Ashia, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning for the TXNM Energy twenty twenty four earnings call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at txnmenergy.com. Joining me today are TXNM Energy Chairman and CEO, Pat Vincent Calant President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Terry and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Lisa Eden. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that TXNM Energy assumes no obligation to update this information. Speaker 100:01:32For a detailed discussion of factors affecting TXNM Energy results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10 K, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as reports on Form eight K filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat. Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on the eve of National Margarita Day. We thought that bringing this day to your attention now would allow you to celebrate the holiday on its eve and on the actual day. Speaker 100:02:07You can thank us for that later. I'll start on slide four with our financial results and company updates. Ongoing earnings for 2024 are $2.74 per share at the high end of our guidance for the year. This continues our strong track record of achieving our targets. We are introducing guidance for 2025 at a range of $2.74 to $2.84 per share. Speaker 100:02:37This reflects strong growth in Texas and incorporates the Utica settlement in our rate request in New Mexico, which I will talk more about in a minute. We also incorporated this P and M unopposed settlement into our long term targets along with the incremental investment opportunities we have shared over the last year. Our five year investment plan in Texas Lisa Speaker 200:03:05will Speaker 100:03:09provide more details on all those numbers. Lisa will provide more details on all those numbers. Now for a few company updates. In December, the Board increased the dividend by 5%. This keeps us within our targeted payout ratio of 50% to 60% for 2025. Speaker 100:03:33Given our strong investment opportunities, the Board believes this is the appropriate target. Before I hand it over to Don for an update on our utilities, I want to highlight two outstanding regulatory accomplishments for the year. At PNM, the team's engagement with stakeholders has provided us the opportunity to bring an unopposed stipulation to the New Mexico Public Regulation Commission and our pending rate request. This is a significant accomplishment and I am very proud of the work that the team has done. At TNMP, our team put together their first system resiliency plan and reached a unanimous settlement with parties in the fourth quarter. Speaker 100:04:16This plan includes significant improvement to our system to strengthen resiliency against severe weather events, including wildfire prevention and vegetation management. Don, I'll turn it over to you for more details. Speaker 200:04:32Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I'll turn on Slide six with TNMP. TNMP continues to set new system peak records, including another one in December, finishing the year with an 18% increase over the 2023 peak. We are still seeing growth across the board from our traditional volumetric and demand based customers and from data centers on both distribution and transmission basis. Data center demand on our system totaled over 600 megawatts at the end of the year, which reflects 200 megawatts added during the fourth quarter. Speaker 200:05:09Our interconnection requests in 2024 were 10% higher than the number of requests in 2023, leading to an increased growth expectation in 2025. We are expecting 2% to 4% growth from distribution customers build on a volumetric basis and 4% to 6% from customers build on a demand basis. On the regulatory front, Pat talked about the unopposed settlement in our system resiliency plan filing with $566,000,000 of capital investments. This adds to the successful year of semi annual TCOS and DCRF filings that we discussed last quarter recovering over $350,000,000 of new rate base. In West Texas, the projects described as common in ERCOT's Permian Basin Reliability Study are moving forward after receiving no protests. Speaker 200:06:03We are working through the process set forth by the commission and executing the local projects and developing schedules for the required CCN filings. We are also securing the equipment needed for these projects. As we look forward to 2025 and beyond, on Slide seven, we will continue to focus on supporting the high level of growth in Texas with a reliable and resilient grid. We have increased our capital investments to support a higher level of core projects across our service territory. The capital spending for the Permian Basin reliability common projects have been incorporated into our five year plan. Speaker 200:06:42Approximately $350,000,000 is included through 2029, while the remaining $400,000,000 is in 02/1930. Projects will be cleared into service individually and included in our TCOS filings as they are completed. There is still an opportunity for incremental investments associated with the three forty five kV import pass, although we have not included this in our capital or earnings power. ERCOT has recommended in favor of the higher voltage alternatives, which will not ERCOT plan. The future is expected to make a decision on the import pass voltage by May. Speaker 200:07:22We have already included the capital in our forecast for 2025 through 2027. We expect that Union Feeds capital will continue to include a similar level of spending at $200,000,000 per year as we each of the specific and apply our learning plans. We'll not meet a specific assumption around mobile generation as we expect ongoing legislative session to modify the rules in place. In total, we increased T and A by just over one to a total of $4,200,000,000 We expect to continue to utilize semi annual key costs and DCRF mechanisms to recover our capital investments. We have talked about filing a base rate review in 2025, recognizing that the components of our base rates last approved in 2018 have changed over time. Speaker 200:08:22We will look to file this case near the end of the year after we make both of our TCOS and DCRF filings. Let's move on to P and M on Slide eight. We continue to make progress on our transition to clean energy. We added another 500 megawatts of solar and storage to our system in November, bringing our total for the year to approximately 1,500 megawatts and nearly doubling our carbon free resource capacity. The resources approved for 2026 will bring our portfolio to 75% carbon free. Speaker 200:08:56The approval of our grid modernization plan was another PNM highlight in 2024 that will bring benefits to our customers. The update to our grid will allow for more customer integration of renewable resources and will provide customers more information to better manage their energy usage. 2024 was a constructive regulatory year for us at PNM. In November, we reached an unopposed stipulation with the intervening parties to our general rate request. The details of the stipulation are in the appendix. Speaker 200:09:28The agreement balance key issues from each of the parties and keeps customers at the forefront with a phased in rate approach. Earlier in the year, we received approval of our grid modernization plan and our 2026 resource application. Workshops held by the commission on regional markets helped us formalize our path to join the California day ahead market, which is expected to bring significant benefits to B and M customers. Turning to Slide nine, we will continue to focus on balancing customer affordability with our systems infrastructure needs. The phase in of our proposed rates in our 2025 rate request is one example. Speaker 200:10:08Under the unopposed stipulation, we will phase in our rates beginning July 2025 with the full amount in April of twenty twenty six. Hearings on our stipulated agreement took place earlier this week, wrapping up on Tuesday. We would expect a decision from the commission in the second quarter ahead of our requested implementation of rates in July. Regional coordination that expands our energy imbalance market and day ahead market could also lower customers' net fuel costs. And we will continue to partner with the state on its efforts for economic development, which has the effect of reducing the per customer cost on system wide investments. Speaker 200:10:48The New Mexico business community has been building momentum for multiple economic development bills in this year's legislative session, including bills focused on utility site readiness. This would allow us to better plan for expected load additions versus waiting to run through regulatory processes after customer agreements are finalized and reduce the amount of time it takes to bring new customers online. Our five year investment includes the approved grid modernization plan and 2026 resource application and also now the 2028 resource Hearings on the 2028 resource are scheduled for early April and we expect a decision from the commission in the third quarter. We have added transmission projects at PNM's Abell two three forty five kV transmission lines to increase the connection to critical transmission paths serving our high load areas. These projects are designed to serve expected increases in system peak demand and ease the constraints on existing lines. Speaker 200:11:51We will need to file for a CCN at the commission, which we expect to do in the second half of this year. We also expect to file an application for new resources identified in our IRP. We issued an all source RFP for resources available between 2029 and 02/1932, and we'll be working through those proposals this year. We forecasted a need of at least 500 megawatts of new capacity by 02/1930 with the actual amount dependent upon the types of resources selected from the independently monitored process. We have not included any amounts associated with our investment plan and we'll wait for that process to play out. Speaker 200:12:30As you can tell, it will be another busy year for us in Texas and New Mexico. With that, I'll turn it over to Lisa for a more detailed look at the numbers. Speaker 100:12:39Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 11 with a recap of 2024 results. Earnings per share was $2.74 coming in at the high end of our guidance for this year. Earnings benefited from recovery of capital investments through TCOS and DCRS mechanisms at TNMP, the implementation of new retail rates at PNM in January and our annual FERC rate update. Higher retail load growth, particularly at P and M, was partially offset by milder weather year over year. Speaker 100:13:19Improved market performance on our decommissioning thrust also improved earnings. Lower market prices reduced our deferred transmission margin. We implemented new depreciation rates at P and M as part of the rate review finalized at the beginning of twenty twenty four, resulting in increased depreciation. We also had higher depreciation, property tax and interest expense associated with new investments year over year. Lastly, dilution impact from shares issued in December of twenty twenty three lowered our per share amount of earnings. Speaker 100:14:00Now turning to 2025 on Slide 12. I'll cover the assumptions around our guidance introduced today at a range of $2.74 to $2.84 P and M includes the midyear implementation of the first phase of customer rate versus a full year of the costs associated with new investments. This also causes more of our quarterly distribution to be weighted to the second half of the year. CNMP is expected to have another year of strong earnings growth as we recover transmission and distribution investments through the TCOS and BTRS mechanisms before filing our rate case towards the end of the year. Detailed year over year drivers for each of our segments are available independent. Speaker 100:14:58On Slide 13, we have rolled forward our capital plans to 2029 and incorporated the additional investments that Dawn discussed, increasing our five year forecast to $7,800,000,000 This is a $1,600,000,000 increase from our prior five year total, largely at TNMP, where rate base grew 17% over the period. And surpasses TNMP retail in 2027, total rate base grows over 12%. I'll cover our financing plans on Slide 14. In 2024, we sold $100,000,000 of equity through our ATM program and settled those shares in December. We also did another $50,000,000 in forward sales under the program during the fourth quarter. Speaker 100:15:59We do not plan to settle those shares until December of twenty twenty five. In June, we issued $550,000,000 of junior subordinated convertible loans to refinance a portion of our term loans at the holding company, providing a debt for debt exchange with equity credit. Our financing plans in 2025 include the refinancing of the remaining $450,000,000 balance of holding company term loans. And we will continue to utilize instruments that provide equity credit for this refinancing. To fund our increased capital investment plan and maintain our credit metrics, we continue to assume the issuance of equity or equity linked securities consistent with our previous statements. Speaker 100:16:54We have assumed the $1,600,000,000 of incremental capital is financed with 44% equity or $700,000,000 This brings our total equity need for this $7,800,000,000 investment plan to $1,300,000,000 This will be achieved through a variety of ways like our ATM program or other offerings, and we will make those decisions based on market opportunities throughout the period. On Slide 15, we have incorporated the updates from our capital and financing plan into our potential earnings power view through 2029. These updates support our increased EPS growth target of 7% to 9%. Our previous target was 6% to 7% using our 2024 guidance midpoint. We have rebased our growth target using this year's guidance midpoint of $2.79 and incorporated several updates. Speaker 100:18:07In this view of our business, the lines of PNM resale, P and M First and P and M P reflects Reece's math and assume and meet our goals to earn our authorized returns using the allowed equity ratio. At P and M Retail, we have incorporated the 9.45% ROE and 51% equity layer from our pending stipulation. The midyear implementation of new rates and the impact of the basin results in the lower earned return in 2025. However, the stipulated increase of our ROE and equity lift layer grows our earnings potential in future years. We also refreshed our capital plan and incorporated a new investments at PNM for our proposed 2028 resource application and planned transmission bill, bumping up the combined rate base for P and M retail and PER to $5,000,000,000 in 2028 and $5,400,000,000 in 2029, increasing P and M's earnings potential. Speaker 100:19:20P and M P is the fastest growing part of our business with rate base growth of 17% over the period. Our updated plan to add $500,000,000 of rate base through 2028 and then continue the higher growth rate through 2029. The earnings growth earnings potential growth at a corresponding rate based on the 9.65% ROE and 45% equity layer last approved for TNMP in 2018. For those of you who may be comparing this slide through a prior version, I'll take a moment to note that the roll forward of our base period also includes a roll forward of our share count to 2025. This has the effects of shifting the 2025 amount previously categorized as financing into each of the utilities to align with our earnings guidance. Speaker 100:20:24To provide additional transparency into our financing impact, we're showing two separate lines. The existing financing line carries forward our 2025 holding company debt balance under a range of different financing alternatives. This line includes the impact of the junior subordinated convertible bond issued in 2024 along with the refinancing of the remaining term loan. The growth financing line contemplates the cost of any new equity or debt issuances at the parent to fund our capital investment plan. A total of $1,300,000,000 of equity content is assumed across the five years with ranges to include varying amounts of types or types of financing instruments. Speaker 100:21:16Taken together, these pieces add up to the potential earnings per share in 2029 of $3.86 at the midpoint, supporting the top half of our 7% to 9% earnings growth target. We are confident in our ability to achieve these targets and create value for shareholders. With that, I'll turn it back over to Pat. Thank you, Lisa. We have our shades on here in New Mexico in part because it is sunny here today, but most importantly because 7% to 9% is a pretty significant growth rate highlighting the high level of growth we are seeing in Texas. Speaker 100:21:58Before I open it up for questions, let me thank our teams across Texas and New Mexico for the wonderful accomplishments they achieved in 2024. I am looking forward to seeing what we can do in 2025. Ashia, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:22:17Thank First question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:22:42Hey, good morning team. Wow, you guys must be feeling pretty cool with those shades on I say, Speaker 100:22:47I had Julian mine her little Martian shades green and yellow, courtesy of Roswell. Speaker 300:22:55There we go. Very apropos to New Mexico indeed. Excellent. And kudos on the update here. Very nicely done. Speaker 300:23:02One of only a handful moving their EPS CAGRs of late. So very good indeed. Maybe to follow-up on that in fact. As you think about what's in the plan and maybe specifically what's not in the plan, can we go through a couple of nuances here? Obviously, you provided some degree of updates here on IRP, but ultimately, especially in the later dated portion of the plan, can you speak a little bit to what the incremental opportunity is? Speaker 300:23:30Again, I just wanted to clarify what's not. And then also, I think you provided some additional commentary in the remarks here on the Permian and the total $750,000,000. But how do you think about the different potential scenarios that could play out in May around that $750,000,000 and upside there as well as any related opportunities that could enter tie into New Mexico? Those are all five questions, Julian. We're going to try. Speaker 400:23:53I think it was what's Speaker 100:23:54the upside to the upside, Julian? Speaker 300:23:58No, absolutely. Let me talk a Speaker 200:24:00little bit about New Mexico first, because I think that's helpful and then I'll jump to Texas. So in New Mexico, I mean, it's a balance for us about portability and our CapEx plan, but there are a few things that are happening in New Mexico that we're excited about. And one of them is economic development legislation, which would allow us to pre build. And that really benefits pre build CapEx infrastructure that we would need to serve larger customers. And that both benefits our existing customers based on rates and and affordability in that arena and also benefits New Mexico as well. Speaker 200:24:38The second element is we did add our first transmission, a small transmission aligned to in the capital plan. And as we look at New Mexico going forward, the opportunity to help existing customers is to remove some of those constraints. So there's going to be opportunities as we think in the latter part of the plan for continued transmission bill to unlock some of those constraints that we have there. And I think the third thing in New Mexico is you were in the midst of the 2029 to 02/1932 RFP and that's the replacement of four corners would be in there. And again, we have to run through that process and don't want to get ahead of that because it is governed by an independent evaluator, but there would be opportunity there. Speaker 200:25:22In the Texas side, we've added a significant amount of opportunity over $1,000,000,000 of capital, But Texas continues to perform well. And I talked a little bit about the interconnections, 10% interconnection requests between 2023 and 2024. And I'll tell you that's in every service area that we operate and that's The Gulf, that's North Of Dallas. They're spread fairly evenly in West Texas. And it's interesting because we're seeing data center interest in each of those. Speaker 200:25:52And in both the residential and we're seeing a significant data interconnection request in in both North Of Dallas as well as the Gulf Coast area. As we think about the play out of the Permian Basin, we're excited that we got the $750,000,000 I know we've added that into our plan. Again, $400,000,000 will be added in 02/1930 when we roll that out next year. I think the three forty five kV as well as the seven sixty five kV, it looks like parties have filed and there is about 10 that are pro with the commission and about eight or nine that are against. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. Speaker 200:26:35As I mentioned, ERCOT has pushed pretty hard for this larger seven sixty five kV. But we'll have to wait and see. If it goes that route, we wouldn't expect any more capital out of that plan. If it goes to three forty five kV, we would see in the upwards of another $900,000,000 So that's kind of the landscape both in Texas and New Mexico as we think forward. Speaker 300:27:00Got it. Yes, a lot Speaker 200:27:02of moving pieces there indeed still on Speaker 300:27:04the upside to the upside as you say. But sorry, in the more mundane sense though, just to come back to nitpicking on the commentary. For 2025 financing activity, I think you said the remaining $4.50 term loan. What structure are you assuming there? And just what's reflected in the updated long term guidance? Speaker 300:27:22I think you alluded to this, but I just want to make it a little bit more explicit. Speaker 100:27:25Yes, Julian. So we're looking at replacing that term loans really just for debt, right? And then include equity content to strengthen our credit metrics. So that's what we're looking to do. Speaker 300:27:41Got it. All right. And that's reflected in the some of that equity content is reflected in the updated EPS? Speaker 100:27:48That's reflected in throughout the earnings period and we split out sort of existing financing. So the term loans are included in that existing financing line and then you have the growth financing and that's really the equity and all the things that are associated with growing the investments and the growing capital budget that we have. Speaker 300:28:14Wonderful. All right, guys. I'll let it be. Thank you so much. All right. Speaker 300:28:17All the best. See you guys soon. Speaker 400:28:18Thank you, Operator00:28:22guys. Our next question comes from Michael Lonergan with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:28:28Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 400:28:31Good morning, Michael. Good morning. Speaker 300:28:33Good morning. So in the Texas legislative session, House Bill 2,868 was introduced. I know it's obviously early in the session, but as it stands now, it would require the PUC to use the utilities actual capital structure or the national average in determining rates. So my question is when you file your Texas rate case towards the end of the year, what are you targeting for your actual capital structure going into the case? Speaker 200:29:00I don't want to hop in front of us filing the actual rate case, but we're very cognizant of the House Bill 2,868. Speaker 300:29:12And then in that rate case, are there any key components or big ticket items we should expecting aside from ROE and capital structure? Obviously, you have the TCOS and DCRF mechanisms covering that capital, but anything in particular we should keep note of? You haven't had the rate case since 2018 as you had mentioned? Speaker 200:29:31Yes. Given the mechanisms in Texas, the TCOS and DCOS, we're fairly close to earning our ROE every year. So it will really be balancing between the distribution and transmission side of the businesses. And it's been we're starting our seventh year. So it's important to go in and allow that balance to happen. Speaker 300:29:54Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. Operator00:30:01Our next question comes from Anthony Cordell with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:30:08Hey, good morning, team. Just one housekeeping question first. What was the song was playing before the call started? Was it like an Eddie Rabbit tune? Speaker 100:30:19No, no, the future is so bright, you've got to wear shades. Speaker 400:30:25Who is the artist on that? Speaker 100:30:28Let me check. Let me check. Speaker 400:30:30That is fine. I could Google it. Excuse me, I wasn't familiar with this, but nicely done. I guess Timbuk3. Timbuk3. Speaker 400:30:42I must have a box set somewhere in my house, a CD box set of that. I guess just quickly not to nitpick on Slide 15, you really lay out the earnings power potential. I don't know if you want to give more clarity, but I think when you talk about the say the growth financing line, I just picked one of the years 2027, the $0.35 to $0.41 I think you talk about that the range there is really different alternatives for equity financing. Could you just tell me what the bookends are? This would assume all equity or this would assume a different type of instrument? Speaker 400:31:19Is there something like that that you would be willing to share? Speaker 100:31:23So Anthony, great to talk to you and great question. I think that when we look at over the five year period, we put out that we're going to do 1,300,000,000 of equity linked securities. And so what we included in this line is just a variety of ways of financing that both from a timing and using different security. And really this line is it's time to give you sort of guidance what that would look like in executing on that equity plan. Speaker 400:31:57I didn't do the math, but does this assume like a linear like linear pro tuitioning equity over the period? Or is there some lumpiness to your assumption of the $1,300,000,000 financing over the plan? Speaker 100:32:11So, Anthony, I mean, capital is not even every year, which means that rate base is not even. And then you have different clearings depending on if you have sort of quicker projects or more long term projects, which means that also financing will also be not evenly spread during that time period. So it's really matching your capital rate base with financing. Speaker 400:32:38Great. And Lisa had asked me to make sure I asked Pat a couple of questions. So Pat, just I know you probably just want to talk about the company, but your other job I think you're the President of EEI. I'm just curious industry's approach to maybe wildfire. I mean I guess my question would be, do you is there a bind with all the utilities where the wildfire sensitivity for your company may be more focused on the some other utilities where maybe urban utility like a Con Edison or something may not be as focused on it. Speaker 400:33:11I'm just wondering about I'm wondering any where DEI or where is the industry focused on maybe wildfire legislation or whatever at the federal level? And is there support though across all the utilities for it? Speaker 100:33:26I think what Anthony, I would love to have that discussion with you, but I will have that offline because wildfire is a complicated story and it is an EEI priority and the good news is the utilities are aligned. But let's take that one that We'll let Ms. Goodman set something up and I can wear my shades for you. Speaker 400:33:44You bet. Thanks so much. Okay. Operator00:33:54The next question comes from Andrew Weisel with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:34:01Hi. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Here in New York, we need to wear sunglasses because it's so bright with the sun reflecting off the snow on the ground. So I'm a little bit jealous. Speaker 300:34:11We're sorry. Well, first one quick question to clarify for Don. I think you mentioned something about mobile generation units in Texas in the prepared remarks. Sorry if I missed it, but just to clarify, did the new CapEx plan include spending related to those tenth gen units or not? Speaker 200:34:29No. We're going to wait till legislation works its way through and the rules were set and then legislate. There's some legislation out there. So we'll wait until that happens and then make some decisions at that point. Speaker 300:34:41Okay. Thanks for clarifying. And on the new CAGR impressive number and certainly a good pickup there. I want to understand how should we think about the wider range at 200 basis points versus 100 previously? Is that a function of the higher numbers or a reflection of regulatory uncertainty? Speaker 300:35:00Or how should we think about that? Speaker 100:35:05I think, Andrew, that we've just we used to have a two percentage points and then we narrowed it and now it's a five year period. There's a lot of CapEx included in this budget. And so we were just comfortable with the 7% to 9% range, a little larger than we've had in the in last year. Speaker 300:35:29Okay. Then lastly for me on the dividend growth, 5% increase. Is that a good bogey for how we should be thinking about the next few years at least till you get to the middle of the targeted 50% to 60%? And then once you get there, should we think about dividend eventually accelerating to match the pace of earnings? Or is that not even a consideration at this point? Speaker 100:35:53No. The Board looks at it every year and there's a variety of factors. And one of it is the pace of earnings, it's our capital spending, etcetera, etcetera. So it can change during the year, but we just I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is we just target at the middle of that payout ratio. Some years it will be a little lower, some years it will be a little under, but the target is the middle. Speaker 300:36:14Okay. So 5% until we get toward that middle probably? Speaker 100:36:19It will change every year. It won't vary significantly, but it does it can vary by year. Speaker 300:36:27Okay, fair enough. Thank you very much everyone. Speaker 100:36:30Thank you. The Operator00:36:35next question comes from Ryan Levine with Citi. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:36:40Good morning, everybody. Happy Seashore Margarita Day. Given the history around Four Corners and the comments made in the prepared remarks, curious if there's any color you could share around the timeline for stakeholder engagement this call? Speaker 200:37:02As it relates to Four Corners itself? Speaker 500:37:05Well, yes. And what type of solutions that any decision there made from Yes. Speaker 200:37:14We've committed to within our rate case and through our interveners that our plan is to exit four corners in 02/1931 when the operating agreement is done and so forth. And that's why we've issued one of the reasons why we've issued the '29 to 32 RFP is a replacement alternative for the Four Corners, our couple of hundred megawatts that are there plus the additional growth that we expect. I Speaker 500:37:41mean, just a follow-up for that. I mean, given all the new generation being built in this country, are there any long lead time items that you need to take action this year or in the near term to be able to address that incremental generation in that? Speaker 200:37:58Yes. Good question. And we issued the RFP a lot sooner than we normally would for that specific reason. So we have the results of that RFP internally by mid year and then as we work through it and so forth. So we're well in advance of what we normally would have issued the RFP on and it's a broader window of that as well too. Speaker 200:38:18And that's the whole reason why we did that process. Speaker 300:38:22Okay. Thank you. Speaker 200:38:25Thank you, Ryan. Operator00:38:29This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Fat Quintin Kullan for any closing remarks. Please go Speaker 100:38:37ahead. Thank you. And thank you all for joining us this morning. We hope you enjoy the eve of National Margarita Day and then again tomorrow. We'll see I'm sure many of you soon on the road. Speaker 100:38:47Thank you all. Bye bye. Operator00:38:51The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by