LON:BGEO Bank of Georgia Group Q4 2024 Earnings Report GBX 5,750 +90.00 (+1.59%) As of 04/25/2025 12:08 PM Eastern Earnings History Bank of Georgia Group EPS ResultsActual EPSGBX 1,612.18Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ABank of Georgia Group Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABank of Georgia Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/25/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, February 25, 2025Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Bank of Georgia Group Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 25, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:00:00Hello. Welcome, everybody, to Lime Finance Group PLC's earnings call. Today, we're presenting our results for the first quarter and the full year of 2024. My name is Nina Shakhoni. I'm head of IR, and I'll be joined on this call by the group CEO, Archil Gaciciladzem. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:00:19We are very pleased to report another strong set of results driven by strong performance across our key business divisions in Georgia and Armenia with Armenian Financial Services now accounting for 26% of the group's total asset. We have achieved a record adjusted profit for the full year of 1,800,000,000.0 CEL. That's a 32% increase versus 2023. And, we actually recorded significant items on top of this figure in 2024. Our return on equity stands at 30%. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:00:58Cost to income ratio is below 35%, and our loan portfolio quality remains very healthy with cost of credit risk ratio at 0.5% for the full year. Our CEO, Arshu, will provide a deeper dive into this results. But before that, I would like to invite our chief economist, Akaki Li Kokelli, who will review key macroeconomic developments impacting Georgia and Armenia, as well as the macro outlook moving forward. And with that, I'll just stop sharing my screen and get Akaki on the line. So now Akaki is on the line. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:01:48Akaki, you can go ahead. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:01:51Hi, Nini. Thank you. So I will be providing the macroeconomic update. Let me quickly share my screen. Okay. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:02:10So last year, Georgian and Armenian economies continue to demonstrate strong performance despite geopolitical and domestic political headwinds. The Georgian economy increased by 9.5% year on year, while the Armenian economy expanded by 5.9. Consumption spending has been a common growth driver amid improved labor market conditions, low inflation and reducing local currency interest rates. From this year, we expect growth to stabilize at around 5% in both countries, and we believe this rate is sustainable over the medium term. As you can see on the right hand side chart, per capita income levels in Armenia and Georgia has increased significantly over the past years. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:03:00However, there is remained well below the average level of Central And Eastern Europe. So there is plenty of room for catch up growth going forward. Downside risks are elevated. However, we believe that both economies will continue to be resilient and prudent macroeconomic policies will remain in place. The preliminary data from January suggests that strong economic performance was sustained in Georgia, so we do not exclude the possibility that growth may surprise on the upside. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:03:36As Georgia and Armenia are small open economies, external sector inflows are a key source of economic growth and local currency stability. As you can see, those inflows have remained quite resilient in both countries despite some moderation in Armenia recently, which was after one off spike in re exports. But more importantly, exports of Georgia and Armenia have become more diversified, particularly exports of non travel services such as transportation and storage and IT services have been increasing steadily. So those services provide not only diversification benefits, but also productivity gains to the overall economy. Resilient external sector inflows are key driver of exchange rates over the medium term. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:04:27And in Armenia, last year was a record high in terms of inflows. So Armenian DRAM was one of very few currencies in the region, which appreciated against the U. S. Dollar. These inflows were also strong in Georgia. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:04:43However, Georgian Lari weakened slightly due to sentiment shifts amid elevated uncertainty. However, from early twenty twenty five, GEOGEOEN LARI recovered somewhat and volatility decreased. Over the medium term, we expect both JEL and Armenian DRAM will be stable, underpinned by resilient fundamentals and prudent macroeconomic management. Stable exchange rates are also contribute to low and stable inflation. And as you can see on these charts, headline inflation has decreased substantially from early twenty twenty three, both in Armenia and Georgia. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:05:25And since then, the two countries have enjoyed favorable inflation environment with headline number below the central bank targets. However, the two central banks have chosen different, paces of easing. In Armenia, the Central Bank of Armenia delivered consecutive rate cuts last year, so it left little room for reductions in 2025. In the case of Georgia, the National Bank of Georgia basically has kept the policy rate at 8% since May 2024. So here, there is more room for reductions, but we do not expect any cuts this year as inflation risks are elevated amid the uncertainty amid ongoing uncertainty. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:06:14Overall, we expect inflation rates in Georgia and Armenia to pick up slightly this year from their very low levels of 2024. However, they should remain close to the Central Bank targets. Apart from low and stable inflation, solid policy buffers are also essential for macroeconomic stability. In this regard, there has been some deterioration in reserve adequacy in Armenia and Georgia, which took place last year. In Armenia, the main reason was increased exposure to export inflows, which, as I mentioned, was one off transitory, so its impact should decrease in the following periods. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:06:59While in Georgia, there was a decrease in the amount of international reserves amid central bank interventions to mitigate the impact of sentiment shifts on currency volatility. And also, the government of Georgia has paid down external debt and gradually substituting it with local currency debt. So the deterioration in reserves was not related to any issues in external balance. The Central Bank of Georgia has already started replenishing the reserves and we expect this process to continue going forward. And lastly, the commercial banks in the two countries maintained strong performance, long book portfolio increasing by 17% in constant currency last year in Georgia. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:07:55The growth was even higher in Armenia. At the same time, the dollarization has been going down in both countries contributing to lower exposure to exchange rate risk. And asset quality has remained decent with non performing loans in these two countries being one of the lowest among the peers. So this concludes my part of the presentation and now I will hand it back to Nini. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:08:25Thank you, Akaki. And with that, I'm handing over to Arshio, who will provide more color on the group's results now. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:08:39Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining the call. Let me share the presentation. There we go. Excellent. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:08:55I hope you can see it. So first, I'll cover some strategic parameters how we're doing with some of the numbers like, the user, the NPS, and so forth, and then we'll go with the results. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:09:12Artu, I apologize. We see a black slightly black screen on the top of your on the top of the presentation, maybe, if you can. Still there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:09:36Let me stop sharing and then return it again. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:09:49Still Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:10:00this this I still see it, but maybe I can try to share it. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:05How is it? Do you see it now or not? Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:10:07It covers the titles, and, like, the Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:11Alright. So why don't you share it then? Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:10:13I'll try. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:14So until Mimi shares it, I'll just mention that we had a record year. 2024 was a record by far in terms of profitability. Our profitability numbers are up by 33. 30 just one second, 31.9% normalized but then if you include the one off base, it's much higher. One off is related to the acquisition of AmeriBank, which we consolidated AmeriBank number one bank in Armenia. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:52So it was a major step for our group. We did promise the market at the time that we would change the holding name to better reflect the fact that we are now focused on two main geographies, two home markets, let's call it that, Georgia and Armenia. In both markets, we have systemic banks that are focused on customer satisfaction that are dedicated to the quality of their services through the digital offering. And there we have significant achievements as well. We have been yes, so our yes, next slide please. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:11:43So we have been recognized in 2024 as the world's best digital bank by Global Finance. Global Finance has a lot of different prices by region and by the product. But the best digital bank is the ultimate prize where the regional winners compete amongst each other and then one bank is chosen globally. And we were against number of regional winners in Western Europe. It was Santander. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:12:16In Southeast Asia, it was DBS and so forth. So we were recognized as the best digital bank in the overall offering of our application, but not just the application, but the overall processes, products, and so forth, which is a great achievement. And I would like to thank all the people our staff that is contributing to to the excellent products that that we create in the bank. And that happens together with our customers whose feedback we seek all the time to understand what they are happy about, what they are unhappy about, and what they would like to see going forward. Besides this, we also track global market and global innovations in fintech industry and see what's happening, what is picking up traction, what would be relevant for Georgian customers and Armenian customers, and then include those in our application like fractional trading, like money request, like bill split and all the rest of it. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:13:27This year also we added a number of different languages, Armenian, Azeri, and Turkish to our Georgian application alongside Georgian and English. There was to cover to better cover some of the villages where the ethnic minorities have a strong preference for Armenian and Mazari languages as well as to cater some of the Turkish population which is in the country which is relatively small. This has some commercial aspects to this but also has the financial access component to it. So we would like to make sure that all the entities, all our customers or potential customers have access to the best services that we offer so that they could get access to other facilities and financial resources that we offer as well. Also, our business mobile app is one of the best in the world. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:14:39So you can see on the next page, slide 16, you can see some of the numbers. So you do remember that over the last few years, we have been priding ourselves with the fact that our growth in both of these mobile applications are significant. In individual smartly active customers, our numbers have grown from almost 1,400, so 1,357,000 to 1,600,000, which is a significant growth, 17.5% growth year on year. So when we think that the growth has slowed down, we still see high teens growth in monthly active users of mobile application and now achieving 1,600,000, which is significant. What's also significant is that engagement is very good in fact and about 800,000 customers of retail customers daily access their banking through mobile application, which is significant and next only to social media and in fact, ahead of Saudi, our full delivery applications. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:15:55Also significant growth we see in mobile business users, specifically on the 26% usage in terms of daily usage and 18.9% monthly active users. So on both of these aspects, our growth still remains significant and that basically shows you strength of the franchise. So one thing is to see the numbers that are good. And the second thing is to see the quality of the franchise. And I can say that we're very happy with how the quality of the franchise is going. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:16:33And at the same time, our numbers are good. There's some causality there as well, but not necessarily at the same period sometimes. Dini, next page, please. One of the biggest upsides that we see also is in terms of the product being sold to see what percentage of our products are being sold digitally. As you can see, over the last few years, we've gone from about 17% to now about 62%, which is significant. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:17:06And this is the only way how our services could remain competitive and ahead of the market. And that's what we have committed to. A couple of years ago when it was 17%, we said that we would like to achieve 60%, seventy %. We are already above 60% but there's still upside and more we do, more we understand what the upsides are and we will probably see more upsides towards 70% over the years to come. As you can see in terms of loans, 84% of all loans now are being issued fully digitally and 68% of deposits. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:17:48Next page, please. Payments business and payments acquiring remains not just acquiring but payments overall remains a main focus for us because not only it generates profitability but it also generates and is a way of interacting with the customer on a daily basis. And as you can see on our acquiring business, we are seeing volume, corals of 26% year on year, which is significant as you can see with the market share of 57%. And in terms of issuing, so that's number of unique users using our card on monthly after users. It's up by 16.2%, which is also significant and we will continue focusing on this business as a key platform for our retail strength. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:18:45Our customer satisfaction remains part of the DNA already. I used to say it was a religion, but now it has become part of the DNA of the organization. Everybody is focused on this internally and on the front lines as well as internally. And we want to make sure that more and more of our customers are happy with our products and services. As you can see, we've achieved 71% in some over this year now at 67%, which is very high for any universal bank and is just shy of a love brand really. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:19:24You cannot hope to be a love brand when you're issuing loans and not hoping to get repaid. So since we're doing that pretty well, we are happy with 67% NPS, 67 NPS, it's not percentage. And we will remain focused on customer satisfaction. Now a few words on Armenia. As you may remember, we consolidated Armenia at the March. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:19:56So it has in 2024, it was only nine months. The overall standalone profitability of AmeriBank was PL411 million, which basically gives you an idea of the size of the business and we'll be seeing Ameria Bank grow from that point. What we are also seeing is a very strong growth of loans as well as deposits. Loans have grown above 30% year on year. And also, what is very good to see is that the monthly active users that we are seeing at Ameriabank of overall retail customers have grown by 22.4%. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:20:42On the digital side, the monthly active users have grown by 54.4% to about 232,000. So when you look at the potential, that Armenia offers, we believe these numbers can grow by five, six times over the next few years and this will create a very good coverage on the retail side. So a lot is ahead in Armenia. It's a top brand. It's a brand that speaks for quality, for customer service, for a very good culture, and it's capitalizing on that strength and good solid grounds that it stands on to offer more and more retail products. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:21:29And that's what we are seeing and more will come because the fourth quarter pickup that you see there is a result of very small tweaks that the team did at the end of the third quarter and more product development will be coming and we will be seeing more engagement from retail customers alongside the corporate and SME. Now a few words regarding the numbers. As you can see, the operating income grew by 57% and year on year it has grown by 41%, forty point eight %. But again, this doesn't include the first quarter because Almeria Bank was a standalone bank at the time before being consolidated into the group. Same can be spoken for the net interest income, which year on year is 55%, but so the quarterly number is up by 55% and the yearly number is 46%, again not including the first one. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:22:37So I think an easier way to compare is to look at our results presentation, which offer you plenty of different ways to look at it. All in all, we can say that please, Nina, next slide. All in all, we can say that our Georgia Financial Services have grown significantly very well over the quarterly numbers. In terms of the operating income, we're up by 16.1% and the profit year on year was up by 20.6%. So that was obviously strengthened by the Ameria Bank acquisition. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:23:26And right now, as Nini mentioned at the beginning of the presentation, Ameriabank's assets are 26% of the overall group's assets. And as we said three quarters ago, they didn't exist. And now in the consolidating metrics, it's more than quarter of the business. And again, when the consolidation happened, we did not dilute our shareholders, so we did not issue any new shares there. What's interesting is that our business, the Georgian entity, has grown just shy of 20% on the balance sheet side on the loan side and AmeriBank has grown by about 30%. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:24:06So all in all, when you see the overall growth of 65.9%, it obviously is a matter of consolidation, but then individual parts have grown significantly as well, which was very nice to observe. So that lays a very solid ground for further growth in the future. And that all of that has been happening while we are at the historical lows of the cost of risk as well. The NPL ratio was 2%, if I'm not mistaken. And the cost of risk was 0.5%. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:24:49And there too, we had very good performance in retail and SME, a slight pickup in corporate because of one single default. But even in that case, we remain at one of the lowest points of the NPL ratio. So our quality of our book is very good. And we have decent coverage with 63% without the collateral and 120 roughly with collateral. Please go ahead. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:25:22I'm now going to dwell on the profitability numbers. All I will say is that the second year that we are delivering 30% return on equity, which is decent by most measures. We expect in 2025 we have all the reasons to expect high 20s number, somewhere between 2530%. Our guidance is about 20% but we have a very good track record of delivering between 2530% of return on equity over the last many years other than 2020, obviously, when we deal with 13%. Next page, please. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:26:08Our capital buffers are very decent at Bank of Georgia and Core Tier one very good at Ameriabank. Now the slim capital buffer on total capital is caused by opportunities to deploy, capital and liquidity very profitably. And it was fine tuned, let's say, in December, to make sure that the deployment happened at the level that would be, compliant. But at the same time, we've been working, we've been holding a policy dialogue with Central Bank of Armenia together with the Banking Association in Armenia to support creating a legal framework for issuance of tier one instruments. It is in a draft form and we expect that over the next few months, we'll be able to the regulator will be able to formalize it and we should be able to then focus on issuing Tier one instruments for Ameriabec. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:27:12This will create additional buffers and more capital for it to grow. And as a reminder, over the last nine months, we have not taken out any dividends from Ameriabank and that was one of the reasons that it was able to grow because it was able to deploy all that capital into growth. It's basically what we guided in the acquisition. There was what we were going to do given the growth opportunities. And Armenia is a buzzing place. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:27:47There's a lot happening there. A lot of investment opportunities are being discussed. And that is an excellent place for us to do more. Please, Nini. There was plenty of liquidity. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:28:04We spoke about the fact that we were intending to keep very high liquidity at Georgia given the situation in the country, which we've all heard about and and which we have been monitoring. So we're still holding very high liquidity. Although this situation is is is becoming common, we'll probably be looking at deploying this liquidity or reducing somehow our deposit share as well just below 40%. It's at 41 now. Please. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:28:38The final one? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:28:39Yes. We've also announced dividends and this will bring our overall dividend per share to 9 lahren. And that would be significant CAGR over the last few years although 12.5% growth over last year but 33% CAGR over the last three years. Also what we would like to highlight one more time is that when we do buybacks, it's buyback and cancellation. As you can see over the last three years, we have reduced our share count by almost 10% from 49,200,000.0 to 44,400,000.0. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:29:21We are announcing more buybacks of NOK 107,700,000.0 and that will happen over the next few months. In fact, this is not the announcement of dividend. This is a recommendation of the board to do the dividend and this will be formalized later on. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:29:45That's it for the presentation? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:29:47Yes. We'll stop here and enter the most interesting part of the calls usually is the Q and A. So please feel free to ask a question. A better one would be in person, but happy to answer some typed up questions as well. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:30:09Archie, if you can see the question, I have slight drop with stopping the presentation. So if you can Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:30:16see I think you can well, I don't see any question in the chat. Nothing at this point, Nelini. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:30:35You don't see the right hand? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:30:43No, nothing in Q and A. Nothing in chat. So, I guess, should be in Q and A. Okay. So, we have two questions now coming in. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:30:56It's asked by anonymous. I don't even know if we should be answering anonymous questions. Hi. Thanks for the presentation. One question from my side. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:31:09Do you see the geopolitical tensions there? Is there any impact on the bank's operations? Thanks. At this point, we see that the tensions have subsided significantly. We saw some impact on the economy in December. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:31:26So we had a slowdown in mortgage issuances. We also had some slowdown in growth of the on the payment terminals. So we saw some impact in December. Having said that, we see almost full recovery in January in terms of economic activity. So while the tensions sometimes remain in this, there's people protesting on a daily basis, those numbers have reduced somewhat. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:32:00And on the economic front, we see that there's a full recovery of the economic activity from the lows of December. Thank you for strong performance. Should we expect the overall payout ratio to be at the lower end of the guidance in 2025? Is the capital distribution being constrained by the relatively low capital ratios in Armenia? The capital distribution, we should remain on the lower side, yes, and we guided that in the beginning of the year that over the next couple of years will be we expect to see higher growth in Armenia and that would mean no capital distribution from Armenia, but at the same time that would mean higher growth. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:32:46And if you recall, the beginning of the year, we updated our guidance of growth, balance sheet growth from about 10% to about 15%. So obviously, when there's growth that requires capital and right now, while we expected significant growth of about 25% in Armenia, that has been more, so above 30% in 2024. And while we expected about 1010% to 15% in Georgia, we had 19.3%. So in both geographies, we had significantly more growth that lays a very good foundation for the numbers forward. So obviously, when we have growth, then that requires capital and we distribute less. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:33:43Bruce Packer, no question just congrats to say on missing your return on equity target by being too profitable, Bruce. Thank you, Bruce. Thank you for appreciating our efforts. AmeriBank, Jon Yuan. AmeriBank will be will there be a shift to focus on retail banking? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:34:06NPS has been a key metric in guiding POG's operations for quite a while. Will there be a similar initiative at AmeriBank? Absolutely. We are focused on NPS there. There were different types of slight differences in terms of measurement. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:34:23That's why we've not been sharing those numbers. But in terms of the monthly active users, you've started to see significant growth. And this is just the beginning. When you look at Armenian population, it's about 3,000,000 and Georgia is about 3.7, so about 20% less. And and our monthly active user is digital monthly active user, and retail is 1,600,000. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:34:50So you could easily, easily have 1.2, one point three million there. And so so we can easily grow four or five times there. So it's a premium retail and corporate franchise that is now being scaled in terms of mass retail as well and that is being done digitally in a way without creating a large footprint that Bank of Georgia has. So it leapfrogs part of the development that we had here. So it's going to be even better. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:35:27But absolutely full commitment to customer care. In fact, it is already part of Ameriabank culture, but it was mainly focused on premium retail and now it will be scaled to more mass retail. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:35:48Arcelor, I got back and I can let some people who raised hands speak actually. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:35:53We have four more questions here, and I'll try to address those. And then let's go to raising hands. Simon Nelis, thanks for presentation. Please elaborate on a nice growth. It feels delivered in both Georgia and Armenia in Q4, particularly in Armenia. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:36:11How sustainable is this growth? We are seeing very good growth in Georgia in terms of the economy. So you have to realize that when we grew 19%, the market grew about 17%, so slightly slightly higher on Metro Georgia side in Georgia. But there was the economy that grew 9.5% and this is an economy that has enjoyed significant growth over the last few years and that has resulted in overall deleveraging of the economy. So the public debt is expected to be below 36% at the end of this year. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:36:56The public foreign debt is expected to be below 25% to GDP. Overall, debt has declined as well, overall countries' leverage. So it creates when you have such a significant growth in the economy, it creates very profitable opportunities for the corporates, for SMEs, and the income levels have been growing double digits, three years in a row as well for Georgian population. So all of this is creating significant opportunities for us. Will this continue forever? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:37:32I wish. But even if there's a slowdown to 4%, five %, which we believe is medium term upsold is sustainable, that would be fine. But every year, we say that that's what we expect because medium term, that's our expectation. But so far, so far we've seen Georgia grow and attract more and more business of different types, but logistics and energy is picking up as well as some of the other industries. Alex Hajar, can you please share your thoughts on potential income of Russian currencies via some sanctions potentially list on Georgian economy, trade or banking business? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:38:12Thank you. Georgian economy is not sanctioned. There are several individuals that are sanctioned, but overall, the economy, I would say, is not really sanctioned. In terms of the Russia Ukraine ceasefire, it very much depends what kind of, what kind of ceasefire and lifting of sanctions will happen. So they are significant. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:38:36Russia is one of the most heavily sanctioned economies right now, and some people expect that there will be a full lifting of all sanctions, but US, EU and UK. My expectation is different. It will probably be step by step and it will be tied to certain things, etcetera. So if that happens, I think there will be more economic activity in the region while logistically having alternative for Central Asia to while most of the cargo still goes to Russia but the South Caucasian corridor I think will remain as a significant alternative to have a lower risk route not just for the logistical part but also for the energy as well as business and so forth. So, I believe there will be more and more activity happening. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:39:36Now, if there's a full normalization, then that activity may be in waves. And overall, I'm very bullish about the region, especially South Caucasus. Simon Nellis, why is minority interest so low? You made 111,000,000 in Armenia but own only 90% of the business implying minority enforced quarter should have been around 10,000,000 but they were just under 2,000,000. Simon, very good observation. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:40:07You should know that we have a put call option agreement with a prefix price at the hold call level, which basically means that we treat it as debt. But officially, it's equity. So that's why you don't see it there. Andriy Oberger, hi, congratulations on results. Thank you. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:40:32Could you elaborate on what drove the impressive sequential net interest revenue growth in Armenia? Well, you are seeing very profitable opportunities in Armenia because there's a lot of corporate activity in Armenia and that's what we are seeing and that's the main result of it. Armenia accounted for 22% of group profit in Q4. Where is the likely to go in the future? Well, we are still seeing that Georgia is still enjoying high profitability given our position in the market that will probably remain at this point Like it is, although we do believe that Armenia has a significant growth potential especially given its ability to scale up its retail presence and more needs to be done there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:41:29Roman Fuzelov, Helios. Hi, congrats on the great results and thank you for the call. Can you please talk about the expected introduction of new products in Armenia to complement Almirya Bank's product suite and how you expect customers' balance sheets and profit growth to evolve from business in 2025 and beyond. Romer, I cannot say more. There are a lot of details. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:41:57Amiri Amiriya Bank has a lot of products, so it's not like we need to invent the bicycle there. And it's just small tweaks here and there, to to increase the engagements, to increase the way it's it's being offered to the customers, the way it's sold as well as increasing the quality of the flows in a number of different things. So it's a lot of small details. There's no revolution. It's only an evolution. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:42:24But you will see results will be coming because these small things end up in many miracles happening. Simon Nellis, can you provide some outlook for risk cost in both of your key markets? What do you think is normalized through the cycle cost of risk for each other market? We believe it's around 1%, but we are enjoying very high growth, benign economic environment overall. So high growth, low inflation, deleveraging overall. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:42:58So until that is happening, obviously, we are at forty, fifty, 60 basis points. But when the economy slow down, inflation picks up, etcetera, etcetera, then the weekly level will be around 1%. So on this, bright note, meaning Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:43:18So we have a few raised hands. The first raised hand I see is from Robert Sage. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:43:27Yes, Robert. Hi. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:43:28Yeah. Can you hear me? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:43:30Very well. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:43:31Thank you very much. I would also like to say congratulations, Archer. I thought there were great set of results. And the bit that particularly surprised me and impressed me, which I want to ask about, is this great spurt of loan growth that we saw in Ameria Bank in the fourth quarter. Am I right in that you said you were expecting about 30% loan growth for 2025 because you've just done over 16% in the fourth quarter alone, which did surprise me. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:43:59Anything you could give behind that and in terms of what we should be expecting on an ongoing basis, in particular for 2025, would be very interesting. And I'd also like to know when you sort of sense that that business could become self funding from a capital perspective. Are we looking sort of in the medium term for this to happen or do you think it might happen in '26 and '27? The second question I've got sort of goes back to an earlier question actually about the potential impact of the cessation of the Ukrainian war. And there are some people we get asked about it in terms of there are a lot of deposit inflows into Georgia, following the outbreak of that war. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:44:36And do you think there is a risk that some of your Georgian deposits in particular could flow back into Ukraine and Russia if there were to be a ceasefire? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:44:45Sure. Thank you for very good questions. So first is that, yes, in Armenia, we have seen significant growth, but not only on corporate side, but on retail side as well. In the retail side, not just on the monthly active users, but also on consumer side as well as corporate. We believe more will come there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:45:10We cannot guide in terms of the growth. But overall, let's say, over the next few years, we expect roughly 25% give or take growth there for two, three years, let's say. And then we'll see. And more may happen. But basically what we are seeing there is that there's a lot of opportunities are in the market. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:45:37The society is very entrepreneurial. The country is opening up to Europe. They've started now they are discussing the visa free travel. They've started to discuss the application for the membership. Now there's a lot of geopolitical volatility around, so it's difficult to to to say. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:46:01But one thing is clear that while Russian relationship remains significant, the country has managed to start a strategic relationship with The United States and has significant, conversations with Europe regarding deepening the relationship as well as normalizing Turkey. And most difficult part remains, obviously, Azerbaijan, but even there, there are all the efforts made to normalize the relationship. So, I don't know when, but if that if that conflict is somehow resolved, a lot of a lot of trade opportunities will open up. So there it's it's a it's a country that is, that is developing. There's a lot of business buzz and so forth when you go there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:46:48But also there are significant upsides there. Now in terms of so in terms of growth, you said 30%. We cannot guide 30% growth. Obviously, fourth quarter was significant, but we cannot hope to have that every quarter. But let's say 20% to 30% growth is something that should be absolutely achievable there and 25% would be a middle number for us to pick. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:47:12Now to add to that, you said when will it be that it will be self funded? It's very much self funded. So the only thing that we are not doing is we're not taking the capital out because as the bank delivers mid-20s return on equity as well as grows at mid-20s, it's absolutely able to fund its growth. Having said that, there are other capital instruments like Tier one that we would like to introduce there to create more buffers on the Tier one capital ratio as well as total capital and create more opportunities to grow if such opportunities present themselves. Now to answer your question regarding the political developments, expected political developments hopefully soon in terms of resolution of the conflict of the war, we don't expect any major outflows. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:48:13In fact, if there's been any normalization, we've already seen it. So there was inflows of capital and people when the war started in 02/2022 and beginning of 02/2023. It's basically have normalized. And you see it in the in the transfers of funds from Russia and Ukraine, we have seen it normalize to the long term trends. So and a lot of people have moved on to different countries, including Portugal and Spain for a lot of IT specialists, as well as Southeast Asia and and such. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:48:49But you have not seen significant outflows in the deposits because people have either kept their accounts here or they've kept most of it here and took some out. But basically, we do believe that our balance sheet is absolutely normalized already vis a vis the regional board that you're talking about. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:49:14Thank you. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:49:15Thank you, Robert. Another question come from Ronak Kadia. Hi, Ronak. Analyst00:49:23Hi. Hi. Can you hear me? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:49:27Yes, Ronak. We hear you very well. Analyst00:49:29Hi. Congratulations, for the results. Maybe three questions, all related to, Amiri. Firstly, just looking at the loan breakdown for Amiri, the last few years, consumer loan growth has been pretty strong. The exposure to individual loans has gone from less than 20% a few years ago to now 40%, so more than doubled. Analyst00:49:54Could you talk about you know, what type of loans they're providing within that individual loan segment? And maybe some some thoughts around, the sort of debt sustainability metrics for for for for for the consumers? So that's the first question. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:50:11Yeah. Let me answer it before we move on to the next one. So, it was a big jump in mortgages, in fact. So over the last few years, Armenia has enjoyed significant mortgage growth. A lot of mortgages as the incomes have grown, mortgages have become more and more popular. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:50:33And we have seen the development industry grow as well, prices pick up as well and so forth. So predominantly, this retail loan that you see is mainly mortgages. Although consumer loan is picking up and we hope it will pick up even more. In terms of sustainability, I don't have it on the top of my head right now, but you can see in the cost of risk and we have done a number of due diligence pre acquisition as well as post. It's a very solid good risk management structure that we see there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:51:08So we don't expect any major issues there. Analyst00:51:12Okay. Understood. I mean, this growth in mortgage loans seems to be a sector wide trend over the last four, five years. So but from your point of view, you're not particularly concerned that there's some sort of a real estate bubble or, you know, any concerns about valuations of real estate? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:51:34Nothing major, quite frankly. I mean, this price increases have been significant, but the demand has been significant as well. And what you see there is that there it was supported by the government providing different types of funding for people that have relocated from the region as well as the first time buyers such products will probably weather out over the time. But nevertheless, we don't expect to see any major issues there because you had an economy with a GDP per capita of about $4,000 to and become a GDP per capita of $9,000 and a lot of people want to have apartments, want to move out and so forth. So very similar to what you see in Georgia. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:52:24So, we don't we have not seen, bubbles. What we have seen in Georgia, for example, is that over the last few years, the number of transactions and volume of of transactions has not slowed down. It's relatively constant. Although three years ago, you had to buy an apartment two years before it was built. Now it's being built and before, you know, before, basically, it was sold before it was built. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:52:56But now it's like 30% apartments are still there to to be sold while it's being built. But it's it's it's yeah. We don't see we don't see the size of any major bubbles and we have looked at many different modes. Analyst00:53:14The second question is on margins for EMEA. There's been some pretty significant margin expansion in the last two or three years. By my estimates, margins currently around 6.3%, six point five %, more or less almost double from the 3%, three point five percent four, five years ago. Maybe again, could you just talk about the drivers of this? How much of this is just a structural improvement? Analyst00:53:39And what's been driving that? And how much of it is just cyclical because of maybe elevated rates that we've seen globally, in the last two, three years? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:53:49Bruno, you basically answered yourself. So it's basically partly due to the interest rate environment, partly due to the structural changes of the banking sector that you see there, and partly due to very high economic growth over the last few years. So the question remains how they will normalize. I bet that they will not go back to what what it used to be. Also depends on number of different things including, including overall economic activity, inflation, the overall debt in the society, how how the structure of the industry will be, the capital requirements and the regulation and so forth. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:54:27But so far, what we see is that you are seeing number of banks developing a bit faster than others. So it's a small economy. So you will see more concentration. There's no question about that. Okay. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:54:44And not just some area banks. There'll be two, three other banks. They'll strengthen and become bigger players and others will basically become less. Analyst00:54:56And final one from my point, and this maybe even applies partly to Bank of Georgia as well. Cost of risk last year, exceptionally low for both the Marriott and Bank of Georgia. I guess that's partly just because of the strong macro environment. But going forward, what's the expectations? What's the, I guess, the normalized rate in the medium term? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:55:21The normalized, we think, is around 1%. It has been coming down over the last decade, let's say. But basically, we think it's about 1%. Having said that, over the last few years, we have been well below that and have invested heavily in the risk management capabilities overall throughout these sectors, including on retail. But there are a number of sophisticated models being deployed in underwriting as well as collection, as well as call centers, as well as different many things. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:55:53So while we see that some of the capability will probably have a longer term impact, so far, we cannot say that it will significantly reduce it. So basically, we think there'll be around 1%. Having said that, in 2025, we have all the reasons to expect that LV will be older. Analyst00:56:12Okay. Analyst00:56:12Understood. Thanks, Akshat. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:56:15Thank you, Ronak. One of the questions, another question, I see is from Priya Rethought, and I'll let the person speak. Hello? Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:56:27Hi, can you hear me? Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:56:29Yes, hi. Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:56:30Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Just two from me. One on costs and one on capital. So on costs, going forward what do you see as a normalized level of cost growth? So we've seen a number of one offs and obviously the Ameriabank acquisition skewed the cost growth numbers. Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:56:47So how should we be thinking about that going forward? And the second on capital, it was great to see the extension of the buyback announced this quarter. What are your capital priorities going forward? So for example, what mix of buyback and dividends should we expect in achieving your medium term target? Thank you. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:57:09Yes. In terms of costs, what we have seen is it has been a very volatile environment over the last few years. While there has been significant growth in the economy, the inflation was very high as well and also a lot of strength and so we had very high income growth and since the big part and same in Armenia. And since big parts of our costs are human costs, salary costs, we've had slightly delayed cost increases. What we target is basically positive operating jaws or neutral at least, and that's what we target. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:57:46Having said that, sometimes there will be slightly more slightly less. But what you should expect is we are getting close to on both consolidated entity level around 35% cost income ratio. We should look at that and then improve that going forward is what we should expect. So medium term, as we grow significantly at least 15 plus percent, I would stick to those ratios. And then as the growth slows down, we'll probably invest slightly less in the franchise and then cost income should improve as we achieve higher scale in both markets. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:58:33That's about that. And the second question was about capital. So we guide 30% to 50% capital distribution as we are growing higher than the long term medium to long term expectation that we have, at those rates, we'll be probably looking at lower end of that distribution part, so closer to 30%. And then we'll increase it further if we are going slightly lower. So we are capital disciplined. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:59:10If we don't see profitable growth opportunities, then we distribute more. If we see there is way to deploy more capital and grow 25%, thirty % return on equity, then we deploy more capital because such opportunities are to be taken care of. Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:59:32Thank you. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:59:33Thank you. The next question is from Jan Demir. Can DemirEMEA Financials Analyst at Wood & Company00:59:40Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. So, Arcelor, I don't mean to split hairs on this, but the Georgia margin in the third quarter, you mentioned it would be stable. And I understand in the fourth quarter, it came down by 30 bps q on q. So I was wondering if you have any updates on that and what we should maybe expect for, for 02/2025. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:00:03Yes. John, I was wondering what you would find because it was pretty decent numbers. But well done. So, John, you're absolutely right. In fact, while we thought that post election we would reduce liquidity significantly faster, we've kept that extra liquidity in fact throughout Q4 in fact all of January as well and till today and we'll start deploying it. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:00:34So basically, we have set on much higher liquidity than usually we would given the environment. And the environment has is is being normalized right now, so so we'll be deploying it. So we did not expect that in the beginning of the fourth quarter. In fact, we expected to deploy it rather quickly, but this uncertainty continued longer than we thought. And that's the cost that you are seeing it because we would rather be safe than sorry in terms of liquidity in such environments. Can DemirEMEA Financials Analyst at Wood & Company01:01:11Fair enough. Fair enough. And maybe one more question on Armenia. So I think there is a $50,000,000 of non recurring fees in Armenia. So taking that into account just for modeling purposes, what kind of fee growth would you think is plausible for next year? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:01:36Jan, it's very difficult for me to say right now. AmeriBank franchise is a top corporate franchise by far and they have been able to generate very good investment banking fees from the number of deals that have been financing. There are all the reasons to believe they will continue. But having said that such fees have a certain volatility to it, not just in Armenia, but anywhere in the world. So it's more difficult for me to say. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:02:08But overall, I believe that AmeriBank has good reasons to expect 20 plus percent growth in all the months. Can DemirEMEA Financials Analyst at Wood & Company01:02:19Right. Makes sense. And congrats on the results as well. Thank you very much. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:02:23Thank you, John. Thank you. So I think I I see Ronak's hand, but I assume he just he I think he just didn't put it down. And Who Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:02:35knows, Nimi? Maybe he wanted to ask No. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:02:37He just he just removed it. So I I see another hand from Roman Fuzilov. I'll see if he has more questions. Analyst01:02:46Yeah. Thank you. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:02:47Hi, Roman. Analyst01:02:47Yeah. Just just thank you. Hi. Just one more from me. About Armenia, I'm curious how you see the competitive environment developing over time. Analyst01:02:58It seems like Amiriya and Archin have been gaining market share. I'm curious if you think that the competitive environment, I guess, the in industry structure will will begin to resemble Georgia's over time where two banks really begin to dominate the the sector in the same way that, that we've seen in Georgia over the last decade now or if you think it'll look different? Thank you. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:03:21I think most of the markets you see, I mean, most of the smaller markets and small, even large markets like Germany and France and U. K, etcetera, you see three, four banks dominating. That's what I expect in Armenia, not necessarily two, because I've heard directly from the regulator that they don't like to see two main banks dominating because they believe that could be a better structure for the customers, so it is three or more. Having said that there's naturally natural tendencies to for this market to consolidate and I expect that to happen unless somebody wants to stand there and not allow it, which will not be beneficial for the customer side. So there's some kind of balance between consolidation and competitiveness. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:04:14And I believe it's somewhere between two and four. So I do expect consolidation definitely happening there. Analyst01:04:23Is there sorry, go ahead. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:04:26You could argue that due to the consolidation in Georgia, you have seen significantly faster development in banking. So there's definitely benefit to consolidation in smaller markets for the industry, for the customer, for everybody. If it's two, it's three or four, it's a question mark, but definitely consolidation. Analyst01:04:49Is there an opportunity for Emeria to grow inorganically or are you big enough now that you think from a regulatory standpoint that will be difficult? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:04:59I don't think so, but it's difficult for me to judge. But I believe it should be possible to do an inorganic one. You said that it's a market which has been developing very fast and growing very fast where the margins have grown. So it's difficult to get an opportunity to consolidate. But if such opportunity would come along, why not? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:05:28Having said that, I am a big believer in making sure that the culture and the quality of what you are integrating matters a lot. And since the bank is organically growing very well, we have to balance between distorting such growth inorganically versus the benefits of such acquisition. But we definitely we are opportunistic people overall. Having said that, if so, yes, absolutely, it would be very interesting. But the price has to be right and the fit has to be right. Analyst01:06:15Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thanks again. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:06:18Thank you, Roman. And with that, I don't see further questions, Arshul. So I believe we can wrap it up. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:06:25Excellent. Well, thank you very much for joining the call, which lasted slightly more than an hour, which is unusually long for us. But that means that you had interest and that's very encouraging. And what I can say is that thank you for your trust and support. What we are seeing is that in 2024, we had a record year by margin effect. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:06:52We have become an international group. We have renamed the group, as you know, to Life Finance Group to reflect the nature of focusing on two main markets. In both markets, we had significant growth, significant profitability in both markets. And what's even more is franchise has never been better in terms of the quality. So the quality of the franchise, of services that we offer, the risk management, of the operations, of legal and so forth is getting better and better every day. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:07:23And we are committed to making it better to have prudent policies, prudent underwriting and at the same time to be opportunistic in terms of deploying capital, in terms of growth. And whenever we see that there's slowdown on that side, obviously, we will be distributing capital. Having said that, we are being recognized more and more by our colleagues, by different competition like Global Finance recognizing us as the best digital in the world. And that is happening alongside our commitment to best customer service. That by itself is not an objective. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:08:05What is an objective is to make sure that more and more of our customers are happy and are choosing our products and are willing to pay for it and then the rest just happens. So stay tuned. We are committed to growing to customer satisfaction and deploying capital in a profitable way. So talk to you soon. Thank you very much. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:08:29Thank you for joining. Thank you. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:00:00Hello. Welcome, everybody, to Lime Finance Group PLC's earnings call. Today, we're presenting our results for the first quarter and the full year of 2024. My name is Nina Shakhoni. I'm head of IR, and I'll be joined on this call by the group CEO, Archil Gaciciladzem. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:00:19We are very pleased to report another strong set of results driven by strong performance across our key business divisions in Georgia and Armenia with Armenian Financial Services now accounting for 26% of the group's total asset. We have achieved a record adjusted profit for the full year of 1,800,000,000.0 CEL. That's a 32% increase versus 2023. And, we actually recorded significant items on top of this figure in 2024. Our return on equity stands at 30%. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:00:58Cost to income ratio is below 35%, and our loan portfolio quality remains very healthy with cost of credit risk ratio at 0.5% for the full year. Our CEO, Arshu, will provide a deeper dive into this results. But before that, I would like to invite our chief economist, Akaki Li Kokelli, who will review key macroeconomic developments impacting Georgia and Armenia, as well as the macro outlook moving forward. And with that, I'll just stop sharing my screen and get Akaki on the line. So now Akaki is on the line. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:01:48Akaki, you can go ahead. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:01:51Hi, Nini. Thank you. So I will be providing the macroeconomic update. Let me quickly share my screen. Okay. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:02:10So last year, Georgian and Armenian economies continue to demonstrate strong performance despite geopolitical and domestic political headwinds. The Georgian economy increased by 9.5% year on year, while the Armenian economy expanded by 5.9. Consumption spending has been a common growth driver amid improved labor market conditions, low inflation and reducing local currency interest rates. From this year, we expect growth to stabilize at around 5% in both countries, and we believe this rate is sustainable over the medium term. As you can see on the right hand side chart, per capita income levels in Armenia and Georgia has increased significantly over the past years. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:03:00However, there is remained well below the average level of Central And Eastern Europe. So there is plenty of room for catch up growth going forward. Downside risks are elevated. However, we believe that both economies will continue to be resilient and prudent macroeconomic policies will remain in place. The preliminary data from January suggests that strong economic performance was sustained in Georgia, so we do not exclude the possibility that growth may surprise on the upside. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:03:36As Georgia and Armenia are small open economies, external sector inflows are a key source of economic growth and local currency stability. As you can see, those inflows have remained quite resilient in both countries despite some moderation in Armenia recently, which was after one off spike in re exports. But more importantly, exports of Georgia and Armenia have become more diversified, particularly exports of non travel services such as transportation and storage and IT services have been increasing steadily. So those services provide not only diversification benefits, but also productivity gains to the overall economy. Resilient external sector inflows are key driver of exchange rates over the medium term. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:04:27And in Armenia, last year was a record high in terms of inflows. So Armenian DRAM was one of very few currencies in the region, which appreciated against the U. S. Dollar. These inflows were also strong in Georgia. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:04:43However, Georgian Lari weakened slightly due to sentiment shifts amid elevated uncertainty. However, from early twenty twenty five, GEOGEOEN LARI recovered somewhat and volatility decreased. Over the medium term, we expect both JEL and Armenian DRAM will be stable, underpinned by resilient fundamentals and prudent macroeconomic management. Stable exchange rates are also contribute to low and stable inflation. And as you can see on these charts, headline inflation has decreased substantially from early twenty twenty three, both in Armenia and Georgia. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:05:25And since then, the two countries have enjoyed favorable inflation environment with headline number below the central bank targets. However, the two central banks have chosen different, paces of easing. In Armenia, the Central Bank of Armenia delivered consecutive rate cuts last year, so it left little room for reductions in 2025. In the case of Georgia, the National Bank of Georgia basically has kept the policy rate at 8% since May 2024. So here, there is more room for reductions, but we do not expect any cuts this year as inflation risks are elevated amid the uncertainty amid ongoing uncertainty. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:06:14Overall, we expect inflation rates in Georgia and Armenia to pick up slightly this year from their very low levels of 2024. However, they should remain close to the Central Bank targets. Apart from low and stable inflation, solid policy buffers are also essential for macroeconomic stability. In this regard, there has been some deterioration in reserve adequacy in Armenia and Georgia, which took place last year. In Armenia, the main reason was increased exposure to export inflows, which, as I mentioned, was one off transitory, so its impact should decrease in the following periods. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:06:59While in Georgia, there was a decrease in the amount of international reserves amid central bank interventions to mitigate the impact of sentiment shifts on currency volatility. And also, the government of Georgia has paid down external debt and gradually substituting it with local currency debt. So the deterioration in reserves was not related to any issues in external balance. The Central Bank of Georgia has already started replenishing the reserves and we expect this process to continue going forward. And lastly, the commercial banks in the two countries maintained strong performance, long book portfolio increasing by 17% in constant currency last year in Georgia. Akaki LiqokeliChief Economist at Bank of Georgia Group00:07:55The growth was even higher in Armenia. At the same time, the dollarization has been going down in both countries contributing to lower exposure to exchange rate risk. And asset quality has remained decent with non performing loans in these two countries being one of the lowest among the peers. So this concludes my part of the presentation and now I will hand it back to Nini. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:08:25Thank you, Akaki. And with that, I'm handing over to Arshio, who will provide more color on the group's results now. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:08:39Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining the call. Let me share the presentation. There we go. Excellent. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:08:55I hope you can see it. So first, I'll cover some strategic parameters how we're doing with some of the numbers like, the user, the NPS, and so forth, and then we'll go with the results. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:09:12Artu, I apologize. We see a black slightly black screen on the top of your on the top of the presentation, maybe, if you can. Still there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:09:36Let me stop sharing and then return it again. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:09:49Still Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:10:00this this I still see it, but maybe I can try to share it. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:05How is it? Do you see it now or not? Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:10:07It covers the titles, and, like, the Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:11Alright. So why don't you share it then? Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:10:13I'll try. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:14So until Mimi shares it, I'll just mention that we had a record year. 2024 was a record by far in terms of profitability. Our profitability numbers are up by 33. 30 just one second, 31.9% normalized but then if you include the one off base, it's much higher. One off is related to the acquisition of AmeriBank, which we consolidated AmeriBank number one bank in Armenia. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:10:52So it was a major step for our group. We did promise the market at the time that we would change the holding name to better reflect the fact that we are now focused on two main geographies, two home markets, let's call it that, Georgia and Armenia. In both markets, we have systemic banks that are focused on customer satisfaction that are dedicated to the quality of their services through the digital offering. And there we have significant achievements as well. We have been yes, so our yes, next slide please. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:11:43So we have been recognized in 2024 as the world's best digital bank by Global Finance. Global Finance has a lot of different prices by region and by the product. But the best digital bank is the ultimate prize where the regional winners compete amongst each other and then one bank is chosen globally. And we were against number of regional winners in Western Europe. It was Santander. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:12:16In Southeast Asia, it was DBS and so forth. So we were recognized as the best digital bank in the overall offering of our application, but not just the application, but the overall processes, products, and so forth, which is a great achievement. And I would like to thank all the people our staff that is contributing to to the excellent products that that we create in the bank. And that happens together with our customers whose feedback we seek all the time to understand what they are happy about, what they are unhappy about, and what they would like to see going forward. Besides this, we also track global market and global innovations in fintech industry and see what's happening, what is picking up traction, what would be relevant for Georgian customers and Armenian customers, and then include those in our application like fractional trading, like money request, like bill split and all the rest of it. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:13:27This year also we added a number of different languages, Armenian, Azeri, and Turkish to our Georgian application alongside Georgian and English. There was to cover to better cover some of the villages where the ethnic minorities have a strong preference for Armenian and Mazari languages as well as to cater some of the Turkish population which is in the country which is relatively small. This has some commercial aspects to this but also has the financial access component to it. So we would like to make sure that all the entities, all our customers or potential customers have access to the best services that we offer so that they could get access to other facilities and financial resources that we offer as well. Also, our business mobile app is one of the best in the world. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:14:39So you can see on the next page, slide 16, you can see some of the numbers. So you do remember that over the last few years, we have been priding ourselves with the fact that our growth in both of these mobile applications are significant. In individual smartly active customers, our numbers have grown from almost 1,400, so 1,357,000 to 1,600,000, which is a significant growth, 17.5% growth year on year. So when we think that the growth has slowed down, we still see high teens growth in monthly active users of mobile application and now achieving 1,600,000, which is significant. What's also significant is that engagement is very good in fact and about 800,000 customers of retail customers daily access their banking through mobile application, which is significant and next only to social media and in fact, ahead of Saudi, our full delivery applications. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:15:55Also significant growth we see in mobile business users, specifically on the 26% usage in terms of daily usage and 18.9% monthly active users. So on both of these aspects, our growth still remains significant and that basically shows you strength of the franchise. So one thing is to see the numbers that are good. And the second thing is to see the quality of the franchise. And I can say that we're very happy with how the quality of the franchise is going. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:16:33And at the same time, our numbers are good. There's some causality there as well, but not necessarily at the same period sometimes. Dini, next page, please. One of the biggest upsides that we see also is in terms of the product being sold to see what percentage of our products are being sold digitally. As you can see, over the last few years, we've gone from about 17% to now about 62%, which is significant. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:17:06And this is the only way how our services could remain competitive and ahead of the market. And that's what we have committed to. A couple of years ago when it was 17%, we said that we would like to achieve 60%, seventy %. We are already above 60% but there's still upside and more we do, more we understand what the upsides are and we will probably see more upsides towards 70% over the years to come. As you can see in terms of loans, 84% of all loans now are being issued fully digitally and 68% of deposits. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:17:48Next page, please. Payments business and payments acquiring remains not just acquiring but payments overall remains a main focus for us because not only it generates profitability but it also generates and is a way of interacting with the customer on a daily basis. And as you can see on our acquiring business, we are seeing volume, corals of 26% year on year, which is significant as you can see with the market share of 57%. And in terms of issuing, so that's number of unique users using our card on monthly after users. It's up by 16.2%, which is also significant and we will continue focusing on this business as a key platform for our retail strength. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:18:45Our customer satisfaction remains part of the DNA already. I used to say it was a religion, but now it has become part of the DNA of the organization. Everybody is focused on this internally and on the front lines as well as internally. And we want to make sure that more and more of our customers are happy with our products and services. As you can see, we've achieved 71% in some over this year now at 67%, which is very high for any universal bank and is just shy of a love brand really. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:19:24You cannot hope to be a love brand when you're issuing loans and not hoping to get repaid. So since we're doing that pretty well, we are happy with 67% NPS, 67 NPS, it's not percentage. And we will remain focused on customer satisfaction. Now a few words on Armenia. As you may remember, we consolidated Armenia at the March. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:19:56So it has in 2024, it was only nine months. The overall standalone profitability of AmeriBank was PL411 million, which basically gives you an idea of the size of the business and we'll be seeing Ameria Bank grow from that point. What we are also seeing is a very strong growth of loans as well as deposits. Loans have grown above 30% year on year. And also, what is very good to see is that the monthly active users that we are seeing at Ameriabank of overall retail customers have grown by 22.4%. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:20:42On the digital side, the monthly active users have grown by 54.4% to about 232,000. So when you look at the potential, that Armenia offers, we believe these numbers can grow by five, six times over the next few years and this will create a very good coverage on the retail side. So a lot is ahead in Armenia. It's a top brand. It's a brand that speaks for quality, for customer service, for a very good culture, and it's capitalizing on that strength and good solid grounds that it stands on to offer more and more retail products. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:21:29And that's what we are seeing and more will come because the fourth quarter pickup that you see there is a result of very small tweaks that the team did at the end of the third quarter and more product development will be coming and we will be seeing more engagement from retail customers alongside the corporate and SME. Now a few words regarding the numbers. As you can see, the operating income grew by 57% and year on year it has grown by 41%, forty point eight %. But again, this doesn't include the first quarter because Almeria Bank was a standalone bank at the time before being consolidated into the group. Same can be spoken for the net interest income, which year on year is 55%, but so the quarterly number is up by 55% and the yearly number is 46%, again not including the first one. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:22:37So I think an easier way to compare is to look at our results presentation, which offer you plenty of different ways to look at it. All in all, we can say that please, Nina, next slide. All in all, we can say that our Georgia Financial Services have grown significantly very well over the quarterly numbers. In terms of the operating income, we're up by 16.1% and the profit year on year was up by 20.6%. So that was obviously strengthened by the Ameria Bank acquisition. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:23:26And right now, as Nini mentioned at the beginning of the presentation, Ameriabank's assets are 26% of the overall group's assets. And as we said three quarters ago, they didn't exist. And now in the consolidating metrics, it's more than quarter of the business. And again, when the consolidation happened, we did not dilute our shareholders, so we did not issue any new shares there. What's interesting is that our business, the Georgian entity, has grown just shy of 20% on the balance sheet side on the loan side and AmeriBank has grown by about 30%. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:24:06So all in all, when you see the overall growth of 65.9%, it obviously is a matter of consolidation, but then individual parts have grown significantly as well, which was very nice to observe. So that lays a very solid ground for further growth in the future. And that all of that has been happening while we are at the historical lows of the cost of risk as well. The NPL ratio was 2%, if I'm not mistaken. And the cost of risk was 0.5%. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:24:49And there too, we had very good performance in retail and SME, a slight pickup in corporate because of one single default. But even in that case, we remain at one of the lowest points of the NPL ratio. So our quality of our book is very good. And we have decent coverage with 63% without the collateral and 120 roughly with collateral. Please go ahead. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:25:22I'm now going to dwell on the profitability numbers. All I will say is that the second year that we are delivering 30% return on equity, which is decent by most measures. We expect in 2025 we have all the reasons to expect high 20s number, somewhere between 2530%. Our guidance is about 20% but we have a very good track record of delivering between 2530% of return on equity over the last many years other than 2020, obviously, when we deal with 13%. Next page, please. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:26:08Our capital buffers are very decent at Bank of Georgia and Core Tier one very good at Ameriabank. Now the slim capital buffer on total capital is caused by opportunities to deploy, capital and liquidity very profitably. And it was fine tuned, let's say, in December, to make sure that the deployment happened at the level that would be, compliant. But at the same time, we've been working, we've been holding a policy dialogue with Central Bank of Armenia together with the Banking Association in Armenia to support creating a legal framework for issuance of tier one instruments. It is in a draft form and we expect that over the next few months, we'll be able to the regulator will be able to formalize it and we should be able to then focus on issuing Tier one instruments for Ameriabec. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:27:12This will create additional buffers and more capital for it to grow. And as a reminder, over the last nine months, we have not taken out any dividends from Ameriabank and that was one of the reasons that it was able to grow because it was able to deploy all that capital into growth. It's basically what we guided in the acquisition. There was what we were going to do given the growth opportunities. And Armenia is a buzzing place. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:27:47There's a lot happening there. A lot of investment opportunities are being discussed. And that is an excellent place for us to do more. Please, Nini. There was plenty of liquidity. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:28:04We spoke about the fact that we were intending to keep very high liquidity at Georgia given the situation in the country, which we've all heard about and and which we have been monitoring. So we're still holding very high liquidity. Although this situation is is is becoming common, we'll probably be looking at deploying this liquidity or reducing somehow our deposit share as well just below 40%. It's at 41 now. Please. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:28:38The final one? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:28:39Yes. We've also announced dividends and this will bring our overall dividend per share to 9 lahren. And that would be significant CAGR over the last few years although 12.5% growth over last year but 33% CAGR over the last three years. Also what we would like to highlight one more time is that when we do buybacks, it's buyback and cancellation. As you can see over the last three years, we have reduced our share count by almost 10% from 49,200,000.0 to 44,400,000.0. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:29:21We are announcing more buybacks of NOK 107,700,000.0 and that will happen over the next few months. In fact, this is not the announcement of dividend. This is a recommendation of the board to do the dividend and this will be formalized later on. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:29:45That's it for the presentation? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:29:47Yes. We'll stop here and enter the most interesting part of the calls usually is the Q and A. So please feel free to ask a question. A better one would be in person, but happy to answer some typed up questions as well. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:30:09Archie, if you can see the question, I have slight drop with stopping the presentation. So if you can Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:30:16see I think you can well, I don't see any question in the chat. Nothing at this point, Nelini. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:30:35You don't see the right hand? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:30:43No, nothing in Q and A. Nothing in chat. So, I guess, should be in Q and A. Okay. So, we have two questions now coming in. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:30:56It's asked by anonymous. I don't even know if we should be answering anonymous questions. Hi. Thanks for the presentation. One question from my side. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:31:09Do you see the geopolitical tensions there? Is there any impact on the bank's operations? Thanks. At this point, we see that the tensions have subsided significantly. We saw some impact on the economy in December. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:31:26So we had a slowdown in mortgage issuances. We also had some slowdown in growth of the on the payment terminals. So we saw some impact in December. Having said that, we see almost full recovery in January in terms of economic activity. So while the tensions sometimes remain in this, there's people protesting on a daily basis, those numbers have reduced somewhat. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:32:00And on the economic front, we see that there's a full recovery of the economic activity from the lows of December. Thank you for strong performance. Should we expect the overall payout ratio to be at the lower end of the guidance in 2025? Is the capital distribution being constrained by the relatively low capital ratios in Armenia? The capital distribution, we should remain on the lower side, yes, and we guided that in the beginning of the year that over the next couple of years will be we expect to see higher growth in Armenia and that would mean no capital distribution from Armenia, but at the same time that would mean higher growth. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:32:46And if you recall, the beginning of the year, we updated our guidance of growth, balance sheet growth from about 10% to about 15%. So obviously, when there's growth that requires capital and right now, while we expected significant growth of about 25% in Armenia, that has been more, so above 30% in 2024. And while we expected about 1010% to 15% in Georgia, we had 19.3%. So in both geographies, we had significantly more growth that lays a very good foundation for the numbers forward. So obviously, when we have growth, then that requires capital and we distribute less. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:33:43Bruce Packer, no question just congrats to say on missing your return on equity target by being too profitable, Bruce. Thank you, Bruce. Thank you for appreciating our efforts. AmeriBank, Jon Yuan. AmeriBank will be will there be a shift to focus on retail banking? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:34:06NPS has been a key metric in guiding POG's operations for quite a while. Will there be a similar initiative at AmeriBank? Absolutely. We are focused on NPS there. There were different types of slight differences in terms of measurement. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:34:23That's why we've not been sharing those numbers. But in terms of the monthly active users, you've started to see significant growth. And this is just the beginning. When you look at Armenian population, it's about 3,000,000 and Georgia is about 3.7, so about 20% less. And and our monthly active user is digital monthly active user, and retail is 1,600,000. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:34:50So you could easily, easily have 1.2, one point three million there. And so so we can easily grow four or five times there. So it's a premium retail and corporate franchise that is now being scaled in terms of mass retail as well and that is being done digitally in a way without creating a large footprint that Bank of Georgia has. So it leapfrogs part of the development that we had here. So it's going to be even better. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:35:27But absolutely full commitment to customer care. In fact, it is already part of Ameriabank culture, but it was mainly focused on premium retail and now it will be scaled to more mass retail. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:35:48Arcelor, I got back and I can let some people who raised hands speak actually. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:35:53We have four more questions here, and I'll try to address those. And then let's go to raising hands. Simon Nelis, thanks for presentation. Please elaborate on a nice growth. It feels delivered in both Georgia and Armenia in Q4, particularly in Armenia. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:36:11How sustainable is this growth? We are seeing very good growth in Georgia in terms of the economy. So you have to realize that when we grew 19%, the market grew about 17%, so slightly slightly higher on Metro Georgia side in Georgia. But there was the economy that grew 9.5% and this is an economy that has enjoyed significant growth over the last few years and that has resulted in overall deleveraging of the economy. So the public debt is expected to be below 36% at the end of this year. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:36:56The public foreign debt is expected to be below 25% to GDP. Overall, debt has declined as well, overall countries' leverage. So it creates when you have such a significant growth in the economy, it creates very profitable opportunities for the corporates, for SMEs, and the income levels have been growing double digits, three years in a row as well for Georgian population. So all of this is creating significant opportunities for us. Will this continue forever? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:37:32I wish. But even if there's a slowdown to 4%, five %, which we believe is medium term upsold is sustainable, that would be fine. But every year, we say that that's what we expect because medium term, that's our expectation. But so far, so far we've seen Georgia grow and attract more and more business of different types, but logistics and energy is picking up as well as some of the other industries. Alex Hajar, can you please share your thoughts on potential income of Russian currencies via some sanctions potentially list on Georgian economy, trade or banking business? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:38:12Thank you. Georgian economy is not sanctioned. There are several individuals that are sanctioned, but overall, the economy, I would say, is not really sanctioned. In terms of the Russia Ukraine ceasefire, it very much depends what kind of, what kind of ceasefire and lifting of sanctions will happen. So they are significant. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:38:36Russia is one of the most heavily sanctioned economies right now, and some people expect that there will be a full lifting of all sanctions, but US, EU and UK. My expectation is different. It will probably be step by step and it will be tied to certain things, etcetera. So if that happens, I think there will be more economic activity in the region while logistically having alternative for Central Asia to while most of the cargo still goes to Russia but the South Caucasian corridor I think will remain as a significant alternative to have a lower risk route not just for the logistical part but also for the energy as well as business and so forth. So, I believe there will be more and more activity happening. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:39:36Now, if there's a full normalization, then that activity may be in waves. And overall, I'm very bullish about the region, especially South Caucasus. Simon Nellis, why is minority interest so low? You made 111,000,000 in Armenia but own only 90% of the business implying minority enforced quarter should have been around 10,000,000 but they were just under 2,000,000. Simon, very good observation. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:40:07You should know that we have a put call option agreement with a prefix price at the hold call level, which basically means that we treat it as debt. But officially, it's equity. So that's why you don't see it there. Andriy Oberger, hi, congratulations on results. Thank you. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:40:32Could you elaborate on what drove the impressive sequential net interest revenue growth in Armenia? Well, you are seeing very profitable opportunities in Armenia because there's a lot of corporate activity in Armenia and that's what we are seeing and that's the main result of it. Armenia accounted for 22% of group profit in Q4. Where is the likely to go in the future? Well, we are still seeing that Georgia is still enjoying high profitability given our position in the market that will probably remain at this point Like it is, although we do believe that Armenia has a significant growth potential especially given its ability to scale up its retail presence and more needs to be done there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:41:29Roman Fuzelov, Helios. Hi, congrats on the great results and thank you for the call. Can you please talk about the expected introduction of new products in Armenia to complement Almirya Bank's product suite and how you expect customers' balance sheets and profit growth to evolve from business in 2025 and beyond. Romer, I cannot say more. There are a lot of details. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:41:57Amiri Amiriya Bank has a lot of products, so it's not like we need to invent the bicycle there. And it's just small tweaks here and there, to to increase the engagements, to increase the way it's it's being offered to the customers, the way it's sold as well as increasing the quality of the flows in a number of different things. So it's a lot of small details. There's no revolution. It's only an evolution. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:42:24But you will see results will be coming because these small things end up in many miracles happening. Simon Nellis, can you provide some outlook for risk cost in both of your key markets? What do you think is normalized through the cycle cost of risk for each other market? We believe it's around 1%, but we are enjoying very high growth, benign economic environment overall. So high growth, low inflation, deleveraging overall. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:42:58So until that is happening, obviously, we are at forty, fifty, 60 basis points. But when the economy slow down, inflation picks up, etcetera, etcetera, then the weekly level will be around 1%. So on this, bright note, meaning Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:43:18So we have a few raised hands. The first raised hand I see is from Robert Sage. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:43:27Yes, Robert. Hi. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:43:28Yeah. Can you hear me? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:43:30Very well. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:43:31Thank you very much. I would also like to say congratulations, Archer. I thought there were great set of results. And the bit that particularly surprised me and impressed me, which I want to ask about, is this great spurt of loan growth that we saw in Ameria Bank in the fourth quarter. Am I right in that you said you were expecting about 30% loan growth for 2025 because you've just done over 16% in the fourth quarter alone, which did surprise me. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:43:59Anything you could give behind that and in terms of what we should be expecting on an ongoing basis, in particular for 2025, would be very interesting. And I'd also like to know when you sort of sense that that business could become self funding from a capital perspective. Are we looking sort of in the medium term for this to happen or do you think it might happen in '26 and '27? The second question I've got sort of goes back to an earlier question actually about the potential impact of the cessation of the Ukrainian war. And there are some people we get asked about it in terms of there are a lot of deposit inflows into Georgia, following the outbreak of that war. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:44:36And do you think there is a risk that some of your Georgian deposits in particular could flow back into Ukraine and Russia if there were to be a ceasefire? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:44:45Sure. Thank you for very good questions. So first is that, yes, in Armenia, we have seen significant growth, but not only on corporate side, but on retail side as well. In the retail side, not just on the monthly active users, but also on consumer side as well as corporate. We believe more will come there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:45:10We cannot guide in terms of the growth. But overall, let's say, over the next few years, we expect roughly 25% give or take growth there for two, three years, let's say. And then we'll see. And more may happen. But basically what we are seeing there is that there's a lot of opportunities are in the market. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:45:37The society is very entrepreneurial. The country is opening up to Europe. They've started now they are discussing the visa free travel. They've started to discuss the application for the membership. Now there's a lot of geopolitical volatility around, so it's difficult to to to say. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:46:01But one thing is clear that while Russian relationship remains significant, the country has managed to start a strategic relationship with The United States and has significant, conversations with Europe regarding deepening the relationship as well as normalizing Turkey. And most difficult part remains, obviously, Azerbaijan, but even there, there are all the efforts made to normalize the relationship. So, I don't know when, but if that if that conflict is somehow resolved, a lot of a lot of trade opportunities will open up. So there it's it's a it's a country that is, that is developing. There's a lot of business buzz and so forth when you go there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:46:48But also there are significant upsides there. Now in terms of so in terms of growth, you said 30%. We cannot guide 30% growth. Obviously, fourth quarter was significant, but we cannot hope to have that every quarter. But let's say 20% to 30% growth is something that should be absolutely achievable there and 25% would be a middle number for us to pick. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:47:12Now to add to that, you said when will it be that it will be self funded? It's very much self funded. So the only thing that we are not doing is we're not taking the capital out because as the bank delivers mid-20s return on equity as well as grows at mid-20s, it's absolutely able to fund its growth. Having said that, there are other capital instruments like Tier one that we would like to introduce there to create more buffers on the Tier one capital ratio as well as total capital and create more opportunities to grow if such opportunities present themselves. Now to answer your question regarding the political developments, expected political developments hopefully soon in terms of resolution of the conflict of the war, we don't expect any major outflows. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:48:13In fact, if there's been any normalization, we've already seen it. So there was inflows of capital and people when the war started in 02/2022 and beginning of 02/2023. It's basically have normalized. And you see it in the in the transfers of funds from Russia and Ukraine, we have seen it normalize to the long term trends. So and a lot of people have moved on to different countries, including Portugal and Spain for a lot of IT specialists, as well as Southeast Asia and and such. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:48:49But you have not seen significant outflows in the deposits because people have either kept their accounts here or they've kept most of it here and took some out. But basically, we do believe that our balance sheet is absolutely normalized already vis a vis the regional board that you're talking about. Robert SageAnalyst at Peel Hunt00:49:14Thank you. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:49:15Thank you, Robert. Another question come from Ronak Kadia. Hi, Ronak. Analyst00:49:23Hi. Hi. Can you hear me? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:49:27Yes, Ronak. We hear you very well. Analyst00:49:29Hi. Congratulations, for the results. Maybe three questions, all related to, Amiri. Firstly, just looking at the loan breakdown for Amiri, the last few years, consumer loan growth has been pretty strong. The exposure to individual loans has gone from less than 20% a few years ago to now 40%, so more than doubled. Analyst00:49:54Could you talk about you know, what type of loans they're providing within that individual loan segment? And maybe some some thoughts around, the sort of debt sustainability metrics for for for for for the consumers? So that's the first question. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:50:11Yeah. Let me answer it before we move on to the next one. So, it was a big jump in mortgages, in fact. So over the last few years, Armenia has enjoyed significant mortgage growth. A lot of mortgages as the incomes have grown, mortgages have become more and more popular. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:50:33And we have seen the development industry grow as well, prices pick up as well and so forth. So predominantly, this retail loan that you see is mainly mortgages. Although consumer loan is picking up and we hope it will pick up even more. In terms of sustainability, I don't have it on the top of my head right now, but you can see in the cost of risk and we have done a number of due diligence pre acquisition as well as post. It's a very solid good risk management structure that we see there. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:51:08So we don't expect any major issues there. Analyst00:51:12Okay. Understood. I mean, this growth in mortgage loans seems to be a sector wide trend over the last four, five years. So but from your point of view, you're not particularly concerned that there's some sort of a real estate bubble or, you know, any concerns about valuations of real estate? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:51:34Nothing major, quite frankly. I mean, this price increases have been significant, but the demand has been significant as well. And what you see there is that there it was supported by the government providing different types of funding for people that have relocated from the region as well as the first time buyers such products will probably weather out over the time. But nevertheless, we don't expect to see any major issues there because you had an economy with a GDP per capita of about $4,000 to and become a GDP per capita of $9,000 and a lot of people want to have apartments, want to move out and so forth. So very similar to what you see in Georgia. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:52:24So, we don't we have not seen, bubbles. What we have seen in Georgia, for example, is that over the last few years, the number of transactions and volume of of transactions has not slowed down. It's relatively constant. Although three years ago, you had to buy an apartment two years before it was built. Now it's being built and before, you know, before, basically, it was sold before it was built. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:52:56But now it's like 30% apartments are still there to to be sold while it's being built. But it's it's it's yeah. We don't see we don't see the size of any major bubbles and we have looked at many different modes. Analyst00:53:14The second question is on margins for EMEA. There's been some pretty significant margin expansion in the last two or three years. By my estimates, margins currently around 6.3%, six point five %, more or less almost double from the 3%, three point five percent four, five years ago. Maybe again, could you just talk about the drivers of this? How much of this is just a structural improvement? Analyst00:53:39And what's been driving that? And how much of it is just cyclical because of maybe elevated rates that we've seen globally, in the last two, three years? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:53:49Bruno, you basically answered yourself. So it's basically partly due to the interest rate environment, partly due to the structural changes of the banking sector that you see there, and partly due to very high economic growth over the last few years. So the question remains how they will normalize. I bet that they will not go back to what what it used to be. Also depends on number of different things including, including overall economic activity, inflation, the overall debt in the society, how how the structure of the industry will be, the capital requirements and the regulation and so forth. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:54:27But so far, what we see is that you are seeing number of banks developing a bit faster than others. So it's a small economy. So you will see more concentration. There's no question about that. Okay. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:54:44And not just some area banks. There'll be two, three other banks. They'll strengthen and become bigger players and others will basically become less. Analyst00:54:56And final one from my point, and this maybe even applies partly to Bank of Georgia as well. Cost of risk last year, exceptionally low for both the Marriott and Bank of Georgia. I guess that's partly just because of the strong macro environment. But going forward, what's the expectations? What's the, I guess, the normalized rate in the medium term? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:55:21The normalized, we think, is around 1%. It has been coming down over the last decade, let's say. But basically, we think it's about 1%. Having said that, over the last few years, we have been well below that and have invested heavily in the risk management capabilities overall throughout these sectors, including on retail. But there are a number of sophisticated models being deployed in underwriting as well as collection, as well as call centers, as well as different many things. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:55:53So while we see that some of the capability will probably have a longer term impact, so far, we cannot say that it will significantly reduce it. So basically, we think there'll be around 1%. Having said that, in 2025, we have all the reasons to expect that LV will be older. Analyst00:56:12Okay. Analyst00:56:12Understood. Thanks, Akshat. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:56:15Thank you, Ronak. One of the questions, another question, I see is from Priya Rethought, and I'll let the person speak. Hello? Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:56:27Hi, can you hear me? Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:56:29Yes, hi. Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:56:30Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Just two from me. One on costs and one on capital. So on costs, going forward what do you see as a normalized level of cost growth? So we've seen a number of one offs and obviously the Ameriabank acquisition skewed the cost growth numbers. Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:56:47So how should we be thinking about that going forward? And the second on capital, it was great to see the extension of the buyback announced this quarter. What are your capital priorities going forward? So for example, what mix of buyback and dividends should we expect in achieving your medium term target? Thank you. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:57:09Yes. In terms of costs, what we have seen is it has been a very volatile environment over the last few years. While there has been significant growth in the economy, the inflation was very high as well and also a lot of strength and so we had very high income growth and since the big part and same in Armenia. And since big parts of our costs are human costs, salary costs, we've had slightly delayed cost increases. What we target is basically positive operating jaws or neutral at least, and that's what we target. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:57:46Having said that, sometimes there will be slightly more slightly less. But what you should expect is we are getting close to on both consolidated entity level around 35% cost income ratio. We should look at that and then improve that going forward is what we should expect. So medium term, as we grow significantly at least 15 plus percent, I would stick to those ratios. And then as the growth slows down, we'll probably invest slightly less in the franchise and then cost income should improve as we achieve higher scale in both markets. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:58:33That's about that. And the second question was about capital. So we guide 30% to 50% capital distribution as we are growing higher than the long term medium to long term expectation that we have, at those rates, we'll be probably looking at lower end of that distribution part, so closer to 30%. And then we'll increase it further if we are going slightly lower. So we are capital disciplined. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group00:59:10If we don't see profitable growth opportunities, then we distribute more. If we see there is way to deploy more capital and grow 25%, thirty % return on equity, then we deploy more capital because such opportunities are to be taken care of. Priya RathodEquity Associate at Jefferies00:59:32Thank you. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group00:59:33Thank you. The next question is from Jan Demir. Can DemirEMEA Financials Analyst at Wood & Company00:59:40Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. So, Arcelor, I don't mean to split hairs on this, but the Georgia margin in the third quarter, you mentioned it would be stable. And I understand in the fourth quarter, it came down by 30 bps q on q. So I was wondering if you have any updates on that and what we should maybe expect for, for 02/2025. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:00:03Yes. John, I was wondering what you would find because it was pretty decent numbers. But well done. So, John, you're absolutely right. In fact, while we thought that post election we would reduce liquidity significantly faster, we've kept that extra liquidity in fact throughout Q4 in fact all of January as well and till today and we'll start deploying it. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:00:34So basically, we have set on much higher liquidity than usually we would given the environment. And the environment has is is being normalized right now, so so we'll be deploying it. So we did not expect that in the beginning of the fourth quarter. In fact, we expected to deploy it rather quickly, but this uncertainty continued longer than we thought. And that's the cost that you are seeing it because we would rather be safe than sorry in terms of liquidity in such environments. Can DemirEMEA Financials Analyst at Wood & Company01:01:11Fair enough. Fair enough. And maybe one more question on Armenia. So I think there is a $50,000,000 of non recurring fees in Armenia. So taking that into account just for modeling purposes, what kind of fee growth would you think is plausible for next year? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:01:36Jan, it's very difficult for me to say right now. AmeriBank franchise is a top corporate franchise by far and they have been able to generate very good investment banking fees from the number of deals that have been financing. There are all the reasons to believe they will continue. But having said that such fees have a certain volatility to it, not just in Armenia, but anywhere in the world. So it's more difficult for me to say. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:02:08But overall, I believe that AmeriBank has good reasons to expect 20 plus percent growth in all the months. Can DemirEMEA Financials Analyst at Wood & Company01:02:19Right. Makes sense. And congrats on the results as well. Thank you very much. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:02:23Thank you, John. Thank you. So I think I I see Ronak's hand, but I assume he just he I think he just didn't put it down. And Who Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:02:35knows, Nimi? Maybe he wanted to ask No. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:02:37He just he just removed it. So I I see another hand from Roman Fuzilov. I'll see if he has more questions. Analyst01:02:46Yeah. Thank you. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:02:47Hi, Roman. Analyst01:02:47Yeah. Just just thank you. Hi. Just one more from me. About Armenia, I'm curious how you see the competitive environment developing over time. Analyst01:02:58It seems like Amiriya and Archin have been gaining market share. I'm curious if you think that the competitive environment, I guess, the in industry structure will will begin to resemble Georgia's over time where two banks really begin to dominate the the sector in the same way that, that we've seen in Georgia over the last decade now or if you think it'll look different? Thank you. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:03:21I think most of the markets you see, I mean, most of the smaller markets and small, even large markets like Germany and France and U. K, etcetera, you see three, four banks dominating. That's what I expect in Armenia, not necessarily two, because I've heard directly from the regulator that they don't like to see two main banks dominating because they believe that could be a better structure for the customers, so it is three or more. Having said that there's naturally natural tendencies to for this market to consolidate and I expect that to happen unless somebody wants to stand there and not allow it, which will not be beneficial for the customer side. So there's some kind of balance between consolidation and competitiveness. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:04:14And I believe it's somewhere between two and four. So I do expect consolidation definitely happening there. Analyst01:04:23Is there sorry, go ahead. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:04:26You could argue that due to the consolidation in Georgia, you have seen significantly faster development in banking. So there's definitely benefit to consolidation in smaller markets for the industry, for the customer, for everybody. If it's two, it's three or four, it's a question mark, but definitely consolidation. Analyst01:04:49Is there an opportunity for Emeria to grow inorganically or are you big enough now that you think from a regulatory standpoint that will be difficult? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:04:59I don't think so, but it's difficult for me to judge. But I believe it should be possible to do an inorganic one. You said that it's a market which has been developing very fast and growing very fast where the margins have grown. So it's difficult to get an opportunity to consolidate. But if such opportunity would come along, why not? Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:05:28Having said that, I am a big believer in making sure that the culture and the quality of what you are integrating matters a lot. And since the bank is organically growing very well, we have to balance between distorting such growth inorganically versus the benefits of such acquisition. But we definitely we are opportunistic people overall. Having said that, if so, yes, absolutely, it would be very interesting. But the price has to be right and the fit has to be right. Analyst01:06:15Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thanks again. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:06:18Thank you, Roman. And with that, I don't see further questions, Arshul. So I believe we can wrap it up. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:06:25Excellent. Well, thank you very much for joining the call, which lasted slightly more than an hour, which is unusually long for us. But that means that you had interest and that's very encouraging. And what I can say is that thank you for your trust and support. What we are seeing is that in 2024, we had a record year by margin effect. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:06:52We have become an international group. We have renamed the group, as you know, to Life Finance Group to reflect the nature of focusing on two main markets. In both markets, we had significant growth, significant profitability in both markets. And what's even more is franchise has never been better in terms of the quality. So the quality of the franchise, of services that we offer, the risk management, of the operations, of legal and so forth is getting better and better every day. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:07:23And we are committed to making it better to have prudent policies, prudent underwriting and at the same time to be opportunistic in terms of deploying capital, in terms of growth. And whenever we see that there's slowdown on that side, obviously, we will be distributing capital. Having said that, we are being recognized more and more by our colleagues, by different competition like Global Finance recognizing us as the best digital in the world. And that is happening alongside our commitment to best customer service. That by itself is not an objective. Archil GachechiladzeCEO & Executive Director at Bank of Georgia Group01:08:05What is an objective is to make sure that more and more of our customers are happy and are choosing our products and are willing to pay for it and then the rest just happens. So stay tuned. We are committed to growing to customer satisfaction and deploying capital in a profitable way. So talk to you soon. Thank you very much. Nini ArshakuniHead of IR at Lion Finance Group01:08:29Thank you for joining. Thank you. 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