SoundThinking Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 25, 2025

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Sound Thinking's Fourth Quarter and Full Year twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. My name is Diego, and I'll be your operator for today's call. Joining us are Sound Thinking's CEO, Ralph Clark and CFO, Alan Stewart. Please note that certain information discussed on the call today will include forward looking statements for our future events and Sound Thinking's business strategy and future financial and operating performance. These forward looking statements are only predictions and are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict and may cause actual results to differ materially from those stated or implied by those statements.

Operator

Certain of these risks and assumptions are discussed in Sound Pickings' SEC filings, including this registration statement on Form S-one. These forward looking statements reflect management's beliefs, estimates and predictions as of the date of this live broadcast, 02/25/2025, and Sound Thinking undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this call. Finally, I would like to remind everyone that this call will be recorded and made available for replay via a link available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website at ir.soundthinking.com. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Ralph.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Sound Thinking's Q4 twenty twenty four earnings call. I'll start by providing some high level commentary on our Q4 and year end 2024 financial results, along with an update on our key strategic initiatives. Al will then review our financial results in more detail before we take your questions. 2024 is in the books and it was a year of measurable strategic financial and operational progress for sound thinking even as we successfully pushed through some isolated headwinds. Our Q4 revenue decreased by 10% year over year to $23,400,000 primarily due to approximately $3,500,000 of a delay due to two contracts with New York City Police Department or NYPD that we have been working on to renew prior to contract expiration in Q4 twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1

One of the two contracts was formally signed and registered this February and the other is currently signed and working its way through New York City's formal registration process expected to be in the next thirty to forty five days. This delay is directly related to some of the recent and well documented political distractions and personnel turnover in the city and NYPD command staff. Despite that, our full year 2024 revenue still grew by 10% to a record $102,000,000 We believe this is a reflection of the strong demand for our public safety and security solutions across the Safety Smart platform as law enforcement agencies and security organizations respond to the ever increasing demands to be more responsive and accountable in delivering public safety outcomes to communities they are accountable to serve and protect. In 2024, ShotSpotter went live in 20 new cities, five new universities, we recognized 24 expansions and took 126 miles live. Overall, we booked 75,700,000 in net new and renewal subscription based ACV with 59% of those bookings representing multi year agreements.

Speaker 1

We're very pleased with the ShotSpotter International pipeline growth in 2024 bookings momentum including new city captures in Niteroi, Brazil Nelson Mandela Bay, South Africa and an expansion doubling our footprint in Montevideo, Uruguay. We believe our international sales momentum is a testament to the effectiveness of ShotSpotter in a large and virtually untapped market outside of The U. S. We expect to see future opportunities in new international cities in The Caribbean and Latin American markets building on our recent collective successes in Bahamas, Uruguay and soon to be Brazil. We were also very pleased to reestablish our approximately 30 square mile ShotSpotter deployment in Puerto Rico in Q4 of this year.

Speaker 1

Here too, we believe there may be opportunities to grow the ShotSpotter footprint beyond the current 30 square miles given the compelling need other communities and cities in Puerto Rico have in responding to and addressing gun violence on the island. As a reminder, our ShotSpotter service in Chicago operationally concluded in late September with a formal contract termination in November. In a very recent development, Chicago issued a formal RFP for gunshot detection technology to potentially cover the entire city of up to two thirty square miles for a five year term with three one year extensions. The Bidders Conference was held last week and formal bid submissions are due this April. While we're in the process of evaluating a potential response, we would note that the speed and compressed timeline of the Chicago gunshot detection RFP is in fact a testament not only to the compelling need, but also the positive impact that gunshot detection has on communities and saving lives.

Speaker 1

NYPD is currently our largest ShotSpotter customer and as mentioned earlier, we are thrilled to have successfully executed a three year contract renewal of approximately $21,900,000 securing the ShotSpotter service for NYPD through December of twenty twenty seven. Renewal extends our long term partnership and relationship of close to ten years and is indicative of the value at scale our ShotSpotter services provide. As we discussed in our twenty twenty four Investor Day, our technological capabilities and proven ability to execute at scale to drive public safety is what differentiates us in the marketplace. Our Safety Smart platform is uniquely and competitively positioned and we're excited about the platform roadmap and intentional investments we're making in leveraging advanced AIML capabilities in order to optimize our solutions. In 2024, we launched the next generation of our SafePoint weapons detection system, offering enhanced security solutions for various institutions, including hospitals and corporate locations.

Speaker 1

The next gen SafePoint features included advanced three d camera integration and added SOP-two and HIPAA compliance, which were critical success factors in securing two recent pilot wins with two separate hospital chains that are both in the top 10 hospital chains in The United States based on number of hospitals. We are very hopeful that once we successfully move past the pilot stage, we will be positioned to drive multimillion dollar ACV contract billings with these two chains while leveraging their early adopter status to other hospital chains. Our leading and comprehensive patrol management tool, Resource Router, is continuing to grow both in impact and sales traction. We believe the product market fit is strong in delivering value and this fact is supported by 100% ASP growth from 2023 to 2024 and approximately 4,000,000 of 2025 pipeline. The patrol division within a police department typically represents the largest portions of an agency's budget and ensuring efficient, effective and equitable public safety outcomes can be a complex challenge.

Speaker 1

Resource router is the only patrol operations tool on

Speaker 2

the market that provides real time relevant information that is easily accessible and actionable in the field. Early customer feedback has been very strong on the positive impact that Resource Router has enabled in Peel Control operations. We're very excited about pioneering a whole new category in data driven patrol management that enhances officer and public safety in an objective and transparent fashion.

Speaker 1

In 2024, we also announced our strategic partnership with Recore Systems for the rollout of our co branded Plate Ranger automatic license plate recognition or ALPR solution, which is fully integrated into our Safety Smart platform. We believe our Plate Ranger offering to be highly differentiated with respect to the seamless integration with our Safety Smart offerings along with our collaborative approach to integrate with other non sound thinking offerings. While still in the early days with our partnership, we are progressing well and we look forward to discussing more on this as the year progresses. In terms of market positioning, our strategic initiatives, ongoing product enhancements and new launches have strengthened our offerings. Our strategic partnerships and product innovations are the driving force behind our operational excellence, which has resulted in another world class net promoter score of 66% moving up 200 basis points from last year's 64%.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, a score of 60 or higher is considered world class in any industry. It's also notable since 2020 to year to date, the company has added over 85 new ShotSpotter customers, executed 50 plus expansions and processed over six sixty annualized renewals compared to only 15 non renewals, which is effectively over a forty:one ratio of renewals to non renewals. As of year end 2024, we had approximately $50,000,000 of twenty twenty five qualified ACV pipeline across our Safety Smart platform. Approximately 62% of that pipeline was non domestic ShotSpotter pipeline signaling our successful diversification efforts. We're making intentional investments in our top of funnel demand generation activities to continue to build on that pipeline for 2025 and beyond.

Speaker 1

We believe we are well positioned to drive 2025 revenue growth given our entering 2025 with $95,600,000 in annual recurring revenue or ARR despite the non renewal of Chicago in November of twenty twenty four. As such, we're increasing our full year revenue guidance to $111,000,000 to $113,000,000 representing approximately 10% year over year growth. If we were to include the revenue from Chicago last year to our pro form a revenue growth from 2024 to 2025, it would have been 19%. We're also increasing our full year 2025 adjusted EBITDA margin guidance range to 21% to 23%.

Speaker 2

We

Speaker 1

are confident in our guidance and believe we are well positioned to drive diversified and profitable growth in 2025 and beyond. In summary, 2024 was a transformative and productive year for Sound Thinking, highlighted by BioStone achievements and the showcasing of our collective grit in moving forward in our purpose. While we're not immune to some of the challenges with respect to market conditions, we are very proactive across our strategic and financial growth strategies and are constructive about the opportunities moving forward. We're pleased with our financial performance, operational excellence, product innovation and market leadership. We remain committed to advancing public safety through our unrelenting passion on making a positive impact.

Speaker 1

I'll now turn the call over to Alan to discuss our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2024 as well as guidance for 2025 in more detail.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Ralph, and good afternoon, everyone. We're pleased with our fourth quarter and year end 2024 results. Our strong financial performance reflects the success of our ongoing strategic initiatives, operational efficiency measures and our commitment to delivering value to our shareholders. In the fourth quarter, revenues were $23,400,000 representing a 10% decrease over the quarterly record $26,000,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. As Ralph mentioned, all of our financial results were impacted primarily due to the delayed renewal of two contracts with New York Police Department reflecting an approximately $3,500,000 delay and reduction of quarterly revenue by the same amount.

Speaker 3

One contract has already been awarded for our ShotSpotter renewal and the second contract is currently signed and working its way through the New York City's formal registration process expected in the next thirty to forty five days. Bookings of all of our Safety Smart Platform solutions, some of which are multi year contracts, are also growing healthily. Gross profit was $11,700,000 or 50% of revenue versus $15,000,000 or 58% of revenue for the prior year period. Our adjusted EBITDA was $1,700,000 compared to $4,800,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Our adjusted EBITDA decrease was directly related to delayed contracts.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, adjusted EBITDA, a non GAAP financial measure, is calculated by taking our GAAP net income or loss and adjusting out interest income, income taxes, depreciation, amortization and impairment restructuring costs and losses including on related fixed asset disposals, stock based compensation expenses and acquisition related expenses including adjustments to our contingent consideration obligations. Our operating expenses were $15,500,000 or 66% of revenues versus $10,600,000 or 41% of revenues in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three after including the change in fair value consideration related to our acquisitions of $4,800,000 in 2023. Breaking down our expenses, sales and marketing expense in the fourth quarter was $6,500,000 or 28 percent of total revenue compared to $7,400,000 or 28% of total revenue in line with the prior year period. Our R and D expenses were $3,500,000 or 15% of total revenue compared to $3,200,000 or 12% of total revenue in the prior year period. G and A expenses for the quarter were $5,500,000 or 24% of total revenue compared to $4,800,000 or 18% of total revenue for the prior year period.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, we expect our G and A expenses to grow less than our revenue on a percentage basis as our company grows. Our G and A net loss was approximately $4,100,000 or a loss of $0.32 per basic and diluted shares for the quarter based on 12,600,000.0 basic and diluted weighted average shares outstanding. This compares to a net income of $3,600,000 or $0.29 per basic share and $0.28 per diluted share based on 12,700,000.0 basic and 12,900,000.0 diluted weighted average shares outstanding for the prior year period. The increased loss was also related to delay of the approximately $3,500,000 in contract renewals as we continued to perform the services at the request of the customers, adding COGS and operating expense without the associated revenue. Turning to our full 2024 results.

Speaker 3

Revenues were a record $102,000,000 representing a 10% increase over the $92,700,000 in 2023. The increase in revenues was primarily due to new and expanding customer subscriptions. Having not had the NYPD contract renewal delays, we expect to have achieved over $105,500,000 in revenue matching our original revenue guidance for 2024. Gross profit was $57,900,000 or 57 percent of revenue versus $52,700,000 or 57% of revenue for the prior year period. Gross profit was also impacted by the contract renewal delays of the approximately $3,500,000 in revenue as we continue to provide the services at the request to customer adding cost of goods sold expense without the associated revenue.

Speaker 3

Our adjusted EBITDA was $14,400,000 in line with the $14,300,000 we achieved in 2023. Our operating expenses increased 22% to $65,700,000 or 64% of revenues versus $54,000,000 or 58% of revenues in 2023. We had a contingent consideration adjustment of $5,700,000 in 2023 and $600,000 in 2024 associated with the Forensic Logic and Safepoint acquisitions. In addition, 2024 included a full year of operating expense for Safepoint versus only four months of expenses included in 2023. We also had an increase in other costs in 2024 as we continue to grow our business.

Speaker 3

Breaking down our expenses, sales and marketing expense in 2024 was $28,100,000 or 28% of total revenue compared to $27,000,000 or 29% of total revenue in line with the prior year period. Our R and D expenses were $13,900,000 or 14% of total revenue compared to $12,100,000 or 13% of total revenue in the prior year period. G and A expense for the year were $23,900,000 or 23% of total revenue compared to $20,600,000 or 22% of total revenue for the prior year period. As a reminder, we expect our G and A expense to grow less than our revenue on a percentage basis as our company grows. Our GAAP net loss was approximately $9,200,000 or a loss of $0.72 per basic and diluted share for the year based on 12,700,000.0 basic and diluted weighted average shares outstanding.

Speaker 3

This compares to a net loss of $2,700,000 or 0.22 per basic and diluted shares based on 12,400,000.0 basic and diluted weighted average shares outstanding for the prior year period. The increased loss for the year was also related to the delay of the approximately $3,500,000 in revenue as we continue to form the services. Deferred revenue as of 12/31/2024 was largely in line at $44,200,000 compared to $49,500,000 at the end of Q3 twenty twenty four. Revenue retention rate for 2024 achieved 105% compared to 107% in 2023 and our sales and marketing spend per dollar of new annualized contract value was $0.63 compared to $0.52 in 2023. We ended the year with $13,200,000 in cash and cash equivalents versus $15,300,000 at the end of Q3 twenty twenty four and much higher than the $5,700,000 that we had at the end of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3

We repurchased 418,940 of our shares at an average price of $14.31 for approximately $6,000,000 throughout 2024. Currently, we have approximately $21,000,000 available on our line of credit as we have approximately $4,000,000 in debt outstanding, all on our line of credit. Now turning to our guidance for the full year of 2025. We are increasing our full year revenue guidance range to $111,000,000 to $113,000,000 We are also increasing our full year $2,025,000,000 dollars adjusted EBITDA margin guidance range to 21% to 23%. This updated guidance reflects the strength and momentum we are experiencing in our business in spite of the loss of approximately $9,700,000 for the loss of the Chicago contract in 2024.

Speaker 3

Overall, we are pleased with the progress we have made on each of our strategic initiatives and operational performance of the business. With that, we're now happy to open the call for questions. Operator, will you please open the line for Q and A?

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Trevor Walsh with Citizens JMP. Please state your question.

Speaker 2

Great. Hi, team. Thanks for taking

Speaker 4

the questions. Ralph, maybe for you, it sounded like when you were giving the update around the Chicago kind of new RFP that you were maybe on the fence around replying or kind of putting in a bid within that. Can you maybe just confirm if I heard that correctly or maybe just explain kind of how you're thinking about that engagement versus maybe prior kind of engagements with the city there?

Speaker 1

Sure. Yes. Thank you for that question. I think the first thing I would say is that we're extraordinarily encouraged to see Chicago actually issue an RFP for a gunshot detection system. But we are still evaluating our potential response.

Speaker 1

We haven't made a formal decision yet. But I can assure you that we're extraordinarily confident about the fact that we are the very best gunshot detection solution in the marketplace that has been proven at scale. And that's where we are with Chicago.

Speaker 2

Got it. Okay. Thanks for

Speaker 4

the color. And then, Alan, maybe just a quick one for you. You talked about some of the multimillion dollar opportunities with hospital chains related to SafePoint. Is that included in the guidance for $25,000,000 or is that still out just given where they're at in the sales cycle?

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you for that. That's a great question. I think it's important to know that in SafePoint right now, each quarter we've gotten a little bit more in the bookings. Q1 was about $500,000 Q2 was close to $1,000,000 Q3 was a little over $1,000,000 and Q4 was over $3,000,000 Now these bookings are multi year bookings, so they aren't necessarily all going to be annual revenue, but that's an indicator of sort of what we're talking about.

Speaker 3

So we are expecting some of those to contribute to the revenue guidance, the increased revenue guidance that we gave for '25.

Speaker 2

Great. Back in the queue.

Operator

And your next question comes from Bruce Goldfarb with Lake Street Capital. Please state your question.

Speaker 2

Congratulations on your results. Thanks for taking my question. Are you anticipating or nervous about any pipeline disruption

Speaker 5

from federal government DOGE efforts? Any exposure there?

Speaker 1

Yes. So thanks for that question. This is Ralph. I'll start and then Alan jump in as appropriate. I think there are probably three really important demand drivers that it's important to understand.

Speaker 1

And that is first and foremost, we've seen a really strong overall sentiment with respect to policing and public safety has shifted dramatically to the positive. And that's something we probably couldn't have said maybe a couple of years ago. Under staffing, the second issue is under staffing continues to be a challenge for agencies. And the third and last point is that, we're seeing agencies that are very receptive to leveraging technology as a force multiplier. So that's kind of the backdrop of the demand drivers.

Speaker 1

I mean, offsetting that, I think to your question or point is that we are watching very carefully the issues around kind of budgets and where budgets are being funded from. We do know and can expect that ARPA funds are beginning to dry up, which means that we have to be extraordinarily kind of creative along with our customers and prospects to go seek funding from other sources, both the private sector as well as increasingly moving to state level initiatives where we've seen some success at the state level. New Jersey being a great example of that. I think New York State is another example where they're taking on much more responsibilities to kind of work with local agencies to make sure that they have the resources they need in light of the fact that they are understaffed to be able to work with protecting the residents of their community. So it's something we're paying close attention to.

Speaker 1

It's not so much a Dodge impact, it's more around ARPA impact, I would say. But we've got some creative approaches we think that can help mitigate that issue.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Mike Latimore with Northland Capital Markets. Please state your question.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks very much. Yes, in terms of your ARR guidance for the year, can you give a rough range of how much of that would how much of the incremental growth would come from the gunshot detection category?

Speaker 3

Yes. Sure. This is Alan. I would say at this point, going from the around the $96,000,000 to we ultimately think it's going to be around $110,000,000 which is significant increase. We expect that the gunshot detection, if you start including some of the international, it will be somewhere between $8,000,000 and maybe $9,500,000 of that is what we would expect.

Speaker 3

Historically, we've had somewhere around there. The rest of it is coming from the other growth and the other products, which is also positive to get the delta.

Speaker 2

Yes. Great. And then on the SafePoint weapons detection area, you highlighted a couple

Speaker 3

of nice

Speaker 2

healthcare wins. Is that sort of the number one vertical where you're seeing momentum or are there what would be the top couple here couple of verticals for weapon detection?

Speaker 1

Yes. Thanks for that question. The three verticals that we're focused on are healthcare, gaming centers, because again, both the healthcare and gaming centers have an issue of wanting to do weapons detection, but doing it in a very low friction type manner, which is very unique to our particular solution versus other solutions. And the third vertical are some selected corporate sites where we're already deployed in some very large financial institutions in their lobby. If you were to be in New York City and walk through a couple of kind of world class financial institutions you could probably recognize our bollards out there.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll hand the floor back to Ralph Clark for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you to everyone that joined us today and thank you to my sound thinking colleagues, clients and partners for all of your support. Innovation and consistent execution against our strategic growth priorities really defined our achievements for 2024. And we believe this gives us very strong momentum heading into 2025. We have an outstanding company and will continue to be focused on maximizing shareholder value.

Speaker 1

I want to thank all of you for your insightful questions and for joining us today on this earnings call. We appreciate your continued interest and investment in sound thinking. We look forward to sharing our progress with you in the coming quarters. Thank you and have a great day.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's call. All parties may disconnect. Have a good

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