NASDAQ:TBPH Theravance Biopharma Q4 2024 Earnings Report $9.54 +0.09 (+0.95%) As of 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Theravance Biopharma EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.31Consensus EPS -$0.05Beat/MissMissed by -$0.26One Year Ago EPSN/ATheravance Biopharma Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$18.75 millionExpected Revenue$29.90 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$11.15 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATheravance Biopharma Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/26/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, February 26, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsTheravance Biopharma's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Theravance Biopharma Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 26, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. I'd like to welcome everyone to the Theravance Biopharma Fourth Quarter and Full Year twenty twenty four Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the company's formal remarks. Also, today's conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:37And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Rick Whittingham, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:45Yes. Good afternoon, and welcome to Theravance Biopharma's Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Earnings Results Conference Call. On Slide two, you'll find our forward looking statements disclaimer, which covers certain risk factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially from any forward looking statements we might make in today's call and which are further described in our filings with the SEC. Moving to Slide three, I'm joined today by Rhonda Farnam, Chief Business Officer Anya Miller, Head of Development and Aziz Swaff, Chief Financial Officer. On Slide four, I'll begin by highlighting our fourth quarter results, which represent a strong close to the year. Speaker 100:01:30Fourth quarter YUPELRI net sales increased 10% over the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, reaching $66,700,000 an all time high and our hospital performance was excellent with doses up 49% year over year. With ampriloxetine, we achieved solid enrollment in Cypress throughout the quarter and remain on track with our development timelines. In December, we had a positive exchange with the FDA, which reaffirmed our expectations around filing, should Cypress be positive. We learned that two abstracts have been accepted for oral presentations at the upcoming American Academy of Neurology meeting in April. And we completed market research underscoring the potential for ampriloxetine to address significant unmet needs of patients with MSA and symptomatic NoH. Speaker 100:02:26Finally, based on 2024 TRELEGY net sales reported by GSK, we've earned a $50,000,000 milestone payment from Royalty Pharma. We continue to manage our expenses carefully and delivered full year results, which fell within our guidance ranges. I'll cover our strategic priorities on Slide five. For YUPELRI, we continue to focus on growing revenue while increasing brand profitability. In addition, there's a potential for a near term $25,000,000 sales milestone in The U. Speaker 100:03:01S, as well as milestone in royalty income from China once approved. With ampriloxetine, we're moving towards completing enrollment in the open label portion of the Cypress study, while simultaneously preparing for an expedited NDA filing. We plan to request priority review in order to bring this much needed potential treatment to patients as quickly as possible. And we'll continue to build awareness of NoH within the MSA community. Turning to Trelegy, where there's a potential of an additional $150,000,000 of milestones in the coming twenty four months, plus the considerable value of our retained interest in Trelegy royalties. Speaker 100:03:46We remain dedicated to maximizing the value of Trelegy and are committed to returning excess capital to our shareholders. We'll continue to build on our recent track record of strong expense management and capital discipline to deliver sustainable value to our investors. I'll now turn the presentation over to Rhonda to cover YUPELRI's performance in the quarter. Rhonda? Speaker 200:04:10Thanks, Rick. Beginning on Slide seven, I'm pleased to report that the Theravance Viatris commercial partnership delivered a strong finish to 2024, having driven UPelry net sales growth of 10% in the quarter reaching approximately $67,000,000 and full year sales of $239,000,000 with YUPELRI recording its highest level of profitability since launch. The growth in Q4 was primarily driven by a 9% increase in demand. Additionally, pricing continued to be favorable compared to the first half of twenty twenty four, which is a reflection of Beatrice's efforts in demonstrating effective pricing strategy execution as well as an improved channel mix, meaning stronger demand in the higher margin channels aligning with our brand objectives. While the record high net sales this quarter closely tracked with demand generation, I will remind you that we traditionally experienced seasonal dips in reported net sales as we transition from the fourth quarter to the first quarter of the following year. Speaker 200:05:24Turning to Slide eight, we continue to experience considerable momentum in the hospital setting, which exemplifies the strength and effectiveness of the TheraVance hospital selling capability. During the quarter, there were 285,000 uproarious doses pulled through to hospital customers, up forty nine percent year over year. In addition, we continue to broaden our base of formulary wins and therapeutic interchange protocols, achieving the highest annual gain since pre COVID and resulting in an increased long acting net market share of nearly 20% by the end of the fourth quarter. Strong hospital performance remains critical to our overall brand strategy, specifically in transitioning patients from the hospital to the community setting, where YUPELRI's long acting net market share maintained roughly 32% through the end of the year. To summarize on Slide nine, YUPELRI delivered another strong year of net sales growth of 8% in 2024 and driven by an impressive full year 11% growth in demand. Speaker 200:06:34Additionally, we're encouraged by the potential sales milestones in The U. S. Along with the extended IP protection to 02/1939 and the opportunity for future milestones and royalties in China. At this point, I'll turn things over to Aziz for an update on Trelegy. Aziz? Speaker 300:06:54Thanks, Rhonda. I'll start on Slide 11, where I'll discuss our potential to earn milestones for Trelegy. In 2024, GSK reported full year sales of $3,500,000,000 up twenty six percent year over year, which triggered a $50,000,000 milestone payment to Theravance with cash receipt received this month. Going forward, given the grant's continued growth trajectory and consensus being well above the required thresholds, we believe there is a high probability of achieving the higher end of milestones in both 2025 and 2026, totaling an additional $150,000,000 On Slide 12, I'll comment on our royalty interest in Trelegy. In mid-twenty twenty nine, we will start to receive royalties based on ex U. Speaker 300:07:39S. Sales and in January 2031, start to receive royalties based on U. S. Sales. As a reminder, these royalties expire on a country by country basis the later of fifteen years after commercial launch or until expiration of the longest lived patent. Speaker 300:07:57To give you a sense of the potential financial implications for Theravance, we've outlined consensus net sales on the right hand side of the slide. Based on these projections, we expect to receive several hundred million of cumulative royalties starting in 2029 and lasting through the duration of the royalty terms. Combining these royalties with $150,000,000 of probable milestones over the next two years represents a significant and durable source of value to the company. With that, I'll pass it to Anya to provide an amproloxetine update. Anya? Speaker 400:08:33Thanks, Aziz. I'll begin the development update on the top of Slide 14. We continue to focus on important academic institutions and affiliated MSA centers of excellence as we near the completion of enrollment in the Cypress study. We have observed a solid month over month enrollment rate over the last quarter. This progress keeps us on track to achieve our objective of enrolling the final patient in the open label portion of Cypress by the middle of this year and disclosing top line results of the study approximately six months later. Speaker 400:09:06We are very pleased to announce that we've had two abstracts accepted for oral presentations at the upcoming American Academy of Neurology annual meeting scheduled to take place this April in San Diego. Our first oral presentation will focus on the analysis of supine blood pressure measured in the home with a twenty four hour ambulatory blood pressure monitor, the gold standard method for detecting supine hypotension allowing us to assess the impact of ampriloxetine on supine blood pressure in the double blind randomized controlled Study 01/1969. The second oral presentation looks at order static blood pressures and then its norepinephrine levels and allows for a detailed analysis of the mechanism of action of ampriloxetine in the previous randomized withdrawal Study 170. Turning now to the bottom of the slide, I also want to provide an update on where we stand with preparations for the ampriloxetine NDA. We are very encouraged by a recent Type C interactions with the FDA in December of last year where we reaffirmed alignment on key requirements for a full approval should the SITR study be positive. Speaker 400:10:11In this interaction, we covered important pre NDA topics including content of the NDA and our data analysis plan. This represents another important milestone on our journey to advance amproloxetine as a new treatment option for NoH in patients with MSA. We are well positioned to complete key modules of the NDA in advance of the Cypress readout and then be poised for an expedited regulatory filing should Cypress be positive. We also intend to request a priority review at the time of filing. Now I'll turn the call back to Rhonda to highlight some of the work we've been doing in support of our launch preparedness. Speaker 400:10:47Rhonda? Speaker 200:10:48Thanks, Anya. Focusing on Slide 15, as part of our launch preparation efforts supporting disease education and awareness and our work developing product positioning, we have been actively engaged with the MSA community. Today, I'd like to share with you some of the early results of our market research, which supports the high unmet need for an improved NoH therapy. In Q4, we conducted a blinded survey of 200 board certified neurologists and cardiologists who are treating patients with MSA and are familiar with NoH symptoms. As you see on the left hand side of Slide 15, the vast majority of those we surveyed agreed that there is a significant need for better NoH therapies with over seventy percent of neurologists indicating that they strongly agreed. Speaker 200:11:44On the right, we asked these physicians to rank different attributes that they consider to be most important in selecting a new treatment for NoH. Effectiveness and improving NoH symptoms ranked highest, followed closely by the ability to improve a patient's quality of life and durability and maintaining symptom improvements. Finally, safety and tolerability including avoiding worsening of supine hypertension also ranked amongst the top five most important attributes. Next, we turn to Slide 16, which highlights ampriloxetine's target product profile. This profile is based on the results in the MSA subpopulation from the previous Phase three study and closely matches the market research respondents rate desired attributes. Speaker 200:12:39Based on this assumption and if FDA approved, ampreloxetine could provide a differentiated new treatment option with a meaningful improvement in OHSA composite scores, positive impact on patients daily activities of living and durable effectiveness. Market research also suggests that ampriloxetine small once daily pill without the need for dose titration is another point of differentiation. As this could provide a better experience especially for patients with MSA who often have difficulty swallowing. Lastly, as shown in the graph on the right, ampreloxetine's target product profile has the potential to address the high unmet need in the NoH population if FDA approved. The majority of physicians had a favorable view of ampreloxetine blinded target product profile with ninety percent of neurologists and eighty percent of cardiologists signaling they are likely to prescribe such a product if available. Speaker 200:13:46The results from our initial market research coupled with discussions with neurologists and advocacy organizations have reinforced our belief in the significant impact ambraloxetine could have on the estimated forty thousand patients with MSA in The U. S. Suffering with NoH symptoms. Now, I will turn the presentation back to Aziz to cover the financials. Aziz? Speaker 300:14:11Thanks, Rhonda. Let's begin with the quarterly results. Slides eighteen and nineteen cover the detailed financials. On Slide 20, I'll highlight our quarterly performance where we generally exceeded expectations and stayed within all financial guidance ranges for the full year. In the fourth quarter, collaboration revenue grew by 8% to approximately $19,000,000 and YUPELRI brand level cash profitability reached its highest level to date. Speaker 300:14:38Operating expenses excluding share based comp increased to $22,000,000 this quarter. This was due to incremental commercial and medical affairs spend on aproloxetine pre launch activities and increased R and D expenses due to an uptick in Cypress patient enrollment. As mentioned for the year, R and D, SG and A and share based comp expense were all within our full year financial guidance ranges. We utilized $3,000,000 of cash this quarter and $14,000,000 for the full year, aligning with our goal of maintaining a strong balance sheet, while progressing towards the completion of the Cypress study. We ended the year with $88,000,000 of cash, which excludes the $50,000,000 Trelegy milestone cash receipt. Speaker 300:15:22On Slide 21, I'll provide our 2025 financial guidance. First, we're guiding to R and D expense, excluding share based comp of between $32,000,000 and $38,000,000 This reflects the completion of the Cypress study with clinical trial costs decreasing in the second half of the year, offset by one time incremental spend to facilitate the majority to facilitate the completion of a majority of the NDA prior to data readout. Second, we expect slight growth to our SG and A expense, driven by measured investments for ampreloxetine in areas such as market research, market access and medical affairs in preparation for potential NDA filing. For the year, we expect total SG and A expense excluding share based comp to be between $50,000,000 and $60,000,000 Third, we expect share based comp to decrease year over year to a range of $18,000,000 to $20,000,000 driven by continued cost cutting initiatives. And finally, we expect non GAAP losses and cash burn to be similar to 2024 levels, where we had non GAAP losses of $16,000,000 and cash burn of $14,000,000 For both metrics, we anticipate higher levels in the first half of the year with improvements coming in the second half. Speaker 300:16:37And as Rhonda has mentioned, Q1 collaboration revenue will be impacted by typical Yucallari seasonality we've experienced over the past several years. Lastly, our accounting treatment for the TRELEGY milestones have been updated to reflect recent changes to accounting guidelines. We will now only recognize other income if cumulative milestones exceed $194,000,000 For example, achieving the remaining $150,000,000 of milestones would result in only $6,000,000 of other income recognized in 2026 with no other income recognized in 2024 and 2025. As a reminder, this accounting treatment has no impact on cash receipt, which we expect in Q1 of each year. With that, I'll pass it back to Rick to conclude. Speaker 300:17:24Rick? Speaker 100:17:26Thanks Aziz. To summarize on Slide 22, we entered 2025 in a strong financial position with a compelling outlook for shareholders. We ended the year with $88,000,000 in cash excluding the $50,000,000 we just received from Royalty Pharma, no debt and up to another $150,000,000 in Trelegy related potential milestones in the near term. We're also increasingly optimistic regarding the value that the Trelegy royalties may bring to the company and remain committed to ensuring our shareholders benefit directly from our financial success. Thanks to the hard work of our employees and our partner, Viatris, we're well positioned to continue driving YUPELRI growth for the foreseeable future with strong demand generation and a winning patient centered strategy. Speaker 100:18:19We're optimistic regarding the growing contributions to Theravance, which not only include our share of U. S. Profits, but meaningful royalties in China and potential near term milestones in both territories. Finally, I'd highlight the transformation continue to complete continue to expect to complete enrollment in the open label portion of Cypress by mid-twenty twenty five with top line data expected approximately six months later. Based on the results we've generated to date, as well as feedback from the community and market research, we believe ampriloxetine has the potential to deliver meaningful clinical benefits to many patients with MSA who suffer debilitating symptoms of NoH. Speaker 100:19:10We thank you for your continued support, ready to take your questions. Operator? Operator00:19:15Thank you, sir. And our first question comes from the line of Douglas Tsao from H. C. Wainwright. Your question please. Speaker 500:19:58Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on the progress. Maybe as a starting point, I guess I would like to hear a little bit more from Rhonda about what really drove so much of the success in the hospital channel this particular quarter. I mean, was it just sort of a follow through on some of the execution or sort of some of the initiatives you've had ongoing or was there anything in particular that led to this real sort of step up in performance? Speaker 200:20:30Thanks Doug. Really always appreciate your questions. On the hospital front, the team is executing the strategy very clearly and to see the wins in larger systems and that these systems are now more frequently, not always, but more frequently coming with therapeutic interchange as part of the initial formulary approval that brings additional volume as I think you already appreciate. You will see a doubling of market share in those accounts that have a therapeutic interchange versus a conventional formulary approval. So team is executing. Speaker 200:21:10They know where to go. They have a strategy of not only ensuring that concomitant use becomes adopted in protocols and then following on with that to ensure if there's opportunity with converting short acting nebulized use to long acting that certainly follows through. So we're just very, very pleased with what our small team of 14 have been able to accomplish, particularly this last quarter. Speaker 500:21:37And Rhonda, I guess on the therapeutic interchange side, I'm just curious, I mean, how long when did those wins occur? And did you sort of anticipate seeing this improvement or just maybe not quite as early, just because sort of the magnitude or sort of the sort of inflection is quite impressive? Speaker 200:22:05It starts with knowing who to focus on and then it takes a full team effort, with starting with national accounts and having C suite discussions with ensuring that when requested that the medical team can provide the clinical information that's necessary for completing the dossier submission for formulary review. And then once approved, that's when the sales team is certainly there to ensure the pull through or recognizing the clinicians whether they're hospitalists, radiation therapy or the pulmonologist, specialist and the discharge team understand the access meaning formulary is approved, so product is available and that everyone involved knows how to use it. And then ensuring that these patients are leaving the hospital with what they were exposed to in the hospital with their YUPELRI script in hand so that they continue their maintenance care post. So it's the execution again. It's knowing where to prioritize the effort. Speaker 500:23:11And then one final one for me, if I can. I know you talked a lot about sort of improvement in your focus on the channel mix to improve the gross to net. And I think sort of some of that improvement seems to have happened maybe faster than you expected. And I guess I'm just curious sort of the trajectory we should expect to see on that front into 2025? Speaker 200:23:37Well, as we've commented in the past, in partnership with ViaTrust, this not only starts with effective execution, but also ensuring there's contracting discipline along the way and effective pricing strategy. So we certainly did comment that it would take probably more into 2025 before you would see more rightsizing of that. But I think that strategy of pricing coupled with that improvement in channel mix, meaning getting to those higher margin volumes pushing through or being pulled through, that's what's driving the improvement. And we're very pleased about it obviously. Speaker 500:24:22Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:24:25Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Julian Harrison from BTIG. Your question please. Speaker 600:24:33Hi, good afternoon. Congrats on a very strong end to 2024 and for taking my questions. Thank you for taking my questions. It looks like 4Q was really a standout quarter on the hospital side. Kind of related to the last questions asked, I'm wondering if you could comment on any follow through of that trajectory or trend you saw in 4Q into the first two months of twenty twenty five? Speaker 100:25:01Rhonda, you want to take that? Speaker 200:25:03Yes. Julien, not to get ahead of ourselves as a comment in Q1 can typically be a softer quarter. I think everyone's quite aware of what's happening particularly on the hospital front relative to RSV flu and census being high in the hospital. So I think the demonstrated need of ensuring that having product access to YUPELRI is paying off and that's also whether I would probably classify that is unfortunate giving patients are having difficulties, there's a need. So I do think that is a tailwind for us. Speaker 600:25:46Okay, great. Thank you. And then, can you remind us of the next steps for UPELRI in China? Are you just waiting for a regulatory decision there with your partner, Viatris? Do you have an approximate sense of the timing of next steps too? Speaker 200:26:04Definitely, it's the waiting for the regulatory commentary back to the ViaTrust team and for planning assumptions as we've stated in the past. That two year window is what we typically would expect from time of submission to approval. So that's still what we're operating under. Speaker 300:26:27And as a reminder that, so this is within June of twenty twenty four, so last year. So two years from then would be middle of next year is kind of the baseline assumption for that. That obviously triggers a $7,500,000 milestone and then very high 14% to 20% royalties on any potential sales in the market. Speaker 600:26:49Excellent. That's helpful. And then finally, I'm just curious if you could talk more about your recent feedback from the FDA on ampreloxetine. Wondering if you could share specifically what spurred that interaction and can you talk in any more detail about what you receive clarity on? Speaker 100:27:09Andy, you want to take that? I don't know, we can't hear Anya, but this was a Type C meeting. We just wanted to make sure that we understood what the content of the filing should be, make sure that we had everything documented in terms of FDA expectations for the filing. And that was really just good regulatory practice. So that as we said, we can invest the money in 2025, really developing and writing the NDA such that it would provide for an expedited filing once we had Cypress results hopefully that are positive. Speaker 600:28:05Got it. Thank you. That makes sense. Operator00:28:11Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of David Risinger from Leerink Partners. Your question please. Speaker 700:28:19Yes, thanks very much and thanks for all of the detail today and congrats on the fourth quarter performance. So I just had some basic sort of financial questions. So first, was there any channel stocking or any other anomalies that benefited the fourth quarter net revenue? Second, what percentage of YUPELRI sales are non hospital sales dollars? Just wanted to understand, if hospital is like 90% of net sales of YUPELRI or 60% of net sales of YUPELRI? Speaker 700:29:00Just wanted to understand that. And then third, could you just explain why the non hospital sales dollars are trending down year over year? Thanks very much. Speaker 100:29:19Just in terms of the and I'll turn this over to Terzeth over to Rhonda, but just in terms of sort of year end levels, I think based on what we understand, year end inventory levels were about the same as they are every year for ViaTrust. So I don't think there was anything unusual there. Rhonda? Speaker 200:29:41That's correct, Rick. David, your second question, if I understand correctly, the percent of UPELRIE that runs through the hospital channel and what proportion of that of the total brand, is that correct? Speaker 700:29:56Yes. Just trying to understand what percentage of YUPELRI sales dollars come from the non hospital category, however you categorize it? And then why is that trending down year over year? Speaker 200:30:18The hospital business accounts for in pure volume within the inpatient setting is roughly 10% of the total brand. So you can see it's a smaller proportion leading 90% to the larger channels of the community setting, which includes long term care. So you'll have to orient me to what your question or where you're finding data of what the decline is because that's not in line with what we're seeing relative to the demand increase, which was 11% full year for last year. Speaker 700:30:54Oh, got it. Yes. To orient you, so the slide only discusses the hospital growth and volume of something like 49% and the company never discusses non hospital volume or non hospital sales dollars. So that's what drove the question. I was wondering what is happening in non hospital since the slide this quarter and historical quarters only relate to hospital. Speaker 700:31:27So that's what was driving the question. But I misperceived, I thought that hospital was a larger percentage of the sales dollars, but obviously since you just disclosed that the hospital volume is only 10% of total YUPELRI volume, Now I have better context and I understand that non hospital is growing. Speaker 200:31:55That's right. Thank you, David. And I think a point of differentiation there, it's unit dose in the hospital and an average day is roughly three point five days for exacerbating patients, whereas obviously I think you appreciate in the community setting it's a thirty day script. So that's a volume differentiator right there. Speaker 700:32:17Got it. Thank you. Speaker 100:32:18The other you want to just touch on demand growth as well, just so that David's got that, Rhonda? Speaker 200:32:26Yes. I offered that up at the beginning, 11% full year. Speaker 100:32:33And so, yes, David, the strategy here for us and Beatrice is, we're in the hospital driving uses of use in the hospital such that the patient can have a good experience with the product that obviously we're talking about the ability to breathe better, good experience and therefore get a prescription as they leave the hospital for outpatient use. And we get about eighty percent between eighty percent and ninety percent depending on the quarter of patients leaving the hospital with the script. And I think for the future, another source of growth for us and Viatris is just simply converting a higher and higher percentage of those scripts to really true chronic therapy out in the outpatient setting. Speaker 700:33:26Got it. Thanks again. Operator00:33:30Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Franke from TD Cowen. Your question Speaker 200:33:43please. Hi, Speaker 800:33:43this is Alex on for Mark. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question. So just a couple on ampreloxetine. First, what do you ultimately see as the bar for success for the Cypress readout? And then assuming Cypress is positive, what would kind of be the scale of the commercial organization you need to kind of assemble to market the drug? Speaker 800:34:04And will any of that build occur ahead of the data? Or is the potential OpEx increase entirely a 2026 story? Speaker 100:34:14Thanks. Yes, just I think that we've touched on this before, but a one point change in the OHS composite score is a clinically meaningful change. So seeing a one point move in the OhSA composite, come in evaluating patients and the randomized withdrawal and that being statistically significant that would constitute success both from a statistical as well as a clinical meaningfulness viewpoint. I'll let Rhonda touch on the other point, but really just on the spend, we will hold off on increasing the size of the organization until after we have Cypress data. But Rhonda, just you want to qualitatively talk about the size of an organization? Speaker 200:35:11Yes. Alex, it's an important question and work that we have underway for determining what is the optimal size when it relates to specific in person promotion. But what I will say given what we understand about the market today and having a very close evaluation of claims to particularly understand what's being prescribed and where and by who, we believe we can be very efficient with how we assemble and deploy the sales effort. And when I say the sales effort, that would be any personnel, whether that's in person or we have virtual reach and then that complemented by digital surround sound with omni channel reach. So appreciating that the script view that we have today, it helps us to appreciate the concentration of the potential targets with that being roughly 3,000 prescribers and then that being concentrated across, I believe two fifty centers that we centers and clinics that we want to ensure we're highly focused on. Speaker 200:36:24So that concentration really allows us to be very efficient, which I think we set the example of how efficiently we can operate with our current sales team. Speaker 300:36:34And Alex, this is Zaze. Just to clarify the cost question. So, yes, as you mentioned, the SG and A is going up, but not by much, right? The midpoint of guidance is $55,000,000 relative to actuals of $53,000,000 in 2024. So you're going up a couple of million bucks, very measured investment in medical affairs, market access, etcetera, market research, etcetera. Speaker 300:37:02This is all external spend and basically no incremental FTEs prior to the Cypress data readout. So no incremental FTEs baked into the guidance in 2025 for SG and A. Speaker 800:37:16Got it. Thanks again. Operator00:37:19Thank you. And it appears that we have no further questions on the phone. I'd now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Windcamp. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:37:29Yes. Just like to thank everyone for joining us today and thank you for the questions. We look forward to an exciting 2025 being able to deliver on the strategic priorities that we outlined in today's call. Have a great day. Thank you. Operator00:37:46Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. 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Email Address About Theravance BiopharmaTheravance Biopharma (NASDAQ:TBPH) is a diversified biopharmaceutical company primarily focused on the discovery, development and commercialization of organ-selective medicines. Its purpose is to pioneer a new generation of small molecule drugs designed to better meet patient needs. Its research is focused in the areas of inflammation and immunology. In pursuit of its purpose, Theravance Biopharma applies insights and innovation at each stage of its business and utilizes its internal capabilities and those of partners around the world. The Company applies organ-selective expertise to target disease biologically, to discover and develop medicines that may expand the therapeutic index with the goal of maximizing efficacy and limiting systemic side effects. These efforts leverage years of experience in developing lung-selective medicines to treat respiratory disease, including FDA-approved YUPELRI® (revefenacin) inhalation solution indicated for the maintenance treatment of patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Its pipeline of internally discovered programs is targeted to address significant patient needs. Theravance Biopharma has an economic interest in potential future payments from Glaxo Group Limited or one of its affiliates (GSK) pursuant to its agreements with Innoviva, Inc. relating to certain programs, including TRELEGY. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. I'd like to welcome everyone to the Theravance Biopharma Fourth Quarter and Full Year twenty twenty four Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the company's formal remarks. Also, today's conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:37And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Rick Whittingham, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:45Yes. Good afternoon, and welcome to Theravance Biopharma's Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Earnings Results Conference Call. On Slide two, you'll find our forward looking statements disclaimer, which covers certain risk factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially from any forward looking statements we might make in today's call and which are further described in our filings with the SEC. Moving to Slide three, I'm joined today by Rhonda Farnam, Chief Business Officer Anya Miller, Head of Development and Aziz Swaff, Chief Financial Officer. On Slide four, I'll begin by highlighting our fourth quarter results, which represent a strong close to the year. Speaker 100:01:30Fourth quarter YUPELRI net sales increased 10% over the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, reaching $66,700,000 an all time high and our hospital performance was excellent with doses up 49% year over year. With ampriloxetine, we achieved solid enrollment in Cypress throughout the quarter and remain on track with our development timelines. In December, we had a positive exchange with the FDA, which reaffirmed our expectations around filing, should Cypress be positive. We learned that two abstracts have been accepted for oral presentations at the upcoming American Academy of Neurology meeting in April. And we completed market research underscoring the potential for ampriloxetine to address significant unmet needs of patients with MSA and symptomatic NoH. Speaker 100:02:26Finally, based on 2024 TRELEGY net sales reported by GSK, we've earned a $50,000,000 milestone payment from Royalty Pharma. We continue to manage our expenses carefully and delivered full year results, which fell within our guidance ranges. I'll cover our strategic priorities on Slide five. For YUPELRI, we continue to focus on growing revenue while increasing brand profitability. In addition, there's a potential for a near term $25,000,000 sales milestone in The U. Speaker 100:03:01S, as well as milestone in royalty income from China once approved. With ampriloxetine, we're moving towards completing enrollment in the open label portion of the Cypress study, while simultaneously preparing for an expedited NDA filing. We plan to request priority review in order to bring this much needed potential treatment to patients as quickly as possible. And we'll continue to build awareness of NoH within the MSA community. Turning to Trelegy, where there's a potential of an additional $150,000,000 of milestones in the coming twenty four months, plus the considerable value of our retained interest in Trelegy royalties. Speaker 100:03:46We remain dedicated to maximizing the value of Trelegy and are committed to returning excess capital to our shareholders. We'll continue to build on our recent track record of strong expense management and capital discipline to deliver sustainable value to our investors. I'll now turn the presentation over to Rhonda to cover YUPELRI's performance in the quarter. Rhonda? Speaker 200:04:10Thanks, Rick. Beginning on Slide seven, I'm pleased to report that the Theravance Viatris commercial partnership delivered a strong finish to 2024, having driven UPelry net sales growth of 10% in the quarter reaching approximately $67,000,000 and full year sales of $239,000,000 with YUPELRI recording its highest level of profitability since launch. The growth in Q4 was primarily driven by a 9% increase in demand. Additionally, pricing continued to be favorable compared to the first half of twenty twenty four, which is a reflection of Beatrice's efforts in demonstrating effective pricing strategy execution as well as an improved channel mix, meaning stronger demand in the higher margin channels aligning with our brand objectives. While the record high net sales this quarter closely tracked with demand generation, I will remind you that we traditionally experienced seasonal dips in reported net sales as we transition from the fourth quarter to the first quarter of the following year. Speaker 200:05:24Turning to Slide eight, we continue to experience considerable momentum in the hospital setting, which exemplifies the strength and effectiveness of the TheraVance hospital selling capability. During the quarter, there were 285,000 uproarious doses pulled through to hospital customers, up forty nine percent year over year. In addition, we continue to broaden our base of formulary wins and therapeutic interchange protocols, achieving the highest annual gain since pre COVID and resulting in an increased long acting net market share of nearly 20% by the end of the fourth quarter. Strong hospital performance remains critical to our overall brand strategy, specifically in transitioning patients from the hospital to the community setting, where YUPELRI's long acting net market share maintained roughly 32% through the end of the year. To summarize on Slide nine, YUPELRI delivered another strong year of net sales growth of 8% in 2024 and driven by an impressive full year 11% growth in demand. Speaker 200:06:34Additionally, we're encouraged by the potential sales milestones in The U. S. Along with the extended IP protection to 02/1939 and the opportunity for future milestones and royalties in China. At this point, I'll turn things over to Aziz for an update on Trelegy. Aziz? Speaker 300:06:54Thanks, Rhonda. I'll start on Slide 11, where I'll discuss our potential to earn milestones for Trelegy. In 2024, GSK reported full year sales of $3,500,000,000 up twenty six percent year over year, which triggered a $50,000,000 milestone payment to Theravance with cash receipt received this month. Going forward, given the grant's continued growth trajectory and consensus being well above the required thresholds, we believe there is a high probability of achieving the higher end of milestones in both 2025 and 2026, totaling an additional $150,000,000 On Slide 12, I'll comment on our royalty interest in Trelegy. In mid-twenty twenty nine, we will start to receive royalties based on ex U. Speaker 300:07:39S. Sales and in January 2031, start to receive royalties based on U. S. Sales. As a reminder, these royalties expire on a country by country basis the later of fifteen years after commercial launch or until expiration of the longest lived patent. Speaker 300:07:57To give you a sense of the potential financial implications for Theravance, we've outlined consensus net sales on the right hand side of the slide. Based on these projections, we expect to receive several hundred million of cumulative royalties starting in 2029 and lasting through the duration of the royalty terms. Combining these royalties with $150,000,000 of probable milestones over the next two years represents a significant and durable source of value to the company. With that, I'll pass it to Anya to provide an amproloxetine update. Anya? Speaker 400:08:33Thanks, Aziz. I'll begin the development update on the top of Slide 14. We continue to focus on important academic institutions and affiliated MSA centers of excellence as we near the completion of enrollment in the Cypress study. We have observed a solid month over month enrollment rate over the last quarter. This progress keeps us on track to achieve our objective of enrolling the final patient in the open label portion of Cypress by the middle of this year and disclosing top line results of the study approximately six months later. Speaker 400:09:06We are very pleased to announce that we've had two abstracts accepted for oral presentations at the upcoming American Academy of Neurology annual meeting scheduled to take place this April in San Diego. Our first oral presentation will focus on the analysis of supine blood pressure measured in the home with a twenty four hour ambulatory blood pressure monitor, the gold standard method for detecting supine hypotension allowing us to assess the impact of ampriloxetine on supine blood pressure in the double blind randomized controlled Study 01/1969. The second oral presentation looks at order static blood pressures and then its norepinephrine levels and allows for a detailed analysis of the mechanism of action of ampriloxetine in the previous randomized withdrawal Study 170. Turning now to the bottom of the slide, I also want to provide an update on where we stand with preparations for the ampriloxetine NDA. We are very encouraged by a recent Type C interactions with the FDA in December of last year where we reaffirmed alignment on key requirements for a full approval should the SITR study be positive. Speaker 400:10:11In this interaction, we covered important pre NDA topics including content of the NDA and our data analysis plan. This represents another important milestone on our journey to advance amproloxetine as a new treatment option for NoH in patients with MSA. We are well positioned to complete key modules of the NDA in advance of the Cypress readout and then be poised for an expedited regulatory filing should Cypress be positive. We also intend to request a priority review at the time of filing. Now I'll turn the call back to Rhonda to highlight some of the work we've been doing in support of our launch preparedness. Speaker 400:10:47Rhonda? Speaker 200:10:48Thanks, Anya. Focusing on Slide 15, as part of our launch preparation efforts supporting disease education and awareness and our work developing product positioning, we have been actively engaged with the MSA community. Today, I'd like to share with you some of the early results of our market research, which supports the high unmet need for an improved NoH therapy. In Q4, we conducted a blinded survey of 200 board certified neurologists and cardiologists who are treating patients with MSA and are familiar with NoH symptoms. As you see on the left hand side of Slide 15, the vast majority of those we surveyed agreed that there is a significant need for better NoH therapies with over seventy percent of neurologists indicating that they strongly agreed. Speaker 200:11:44On the right, we asked these physicians to rank different attributes that they consider to be most important in selecting a new treatment for NoH. Effectiveness and improving NoH symptoms ranked highest, followed closely by the ability to improve a patient's quality of life and durability and maintaining symptom improvements. Finally, safety and tolerability including avoiding worsening of supine hypertension also ranked amongst the top five most important attributes. Next, we turn to Slide 16, which highlights ampriloxetine's target product profile. This profile is based on the results in the MSA subpopulation from the previous Phase three study and closely matches the market research respondents rate desired attributes. Speaker 200:12:39Based on this assumption and if FDA approved, ampreloxetine could provide a differentiated new treatment option with a meaningful improvement in OHSA composite scores, positive impact on patients daily activities of living and durable effectiveness. Market research also suggests that ampriloxetine small once daily pill without the need for dose titration is another point of differentiation. As this could provide a better experience especially for patients with MSA who often have difficulty swallowing. Lastly, as shown in the graph on the right, ampreloxetine's target product profile has the potential to address the high unmet need in the NoH population if FDA approved. The majority of physicians had a favorable view of ampreloxetine blinded target product profile with ninety percent of neurologists and eighty percent of cardiologists signaling they are likely to prescribe such a product if available. Speaker 200:13:46The results from our initial market research coupled with discussions with neurologists and advocacy organizations have reinforced our belief in the significant impact ambraloxetine could have on the estimated forty thousand patients with MSA in The U. S. Suffering with NoH symptoms. Now, I will turn the presentation back to Aziz to cover the financials. Aziz? Speaker 300:14:11Thanks, Rhonda. Let's begin with the quarterly results. Slides eighteen and nineteen cover the detailed financials. On Slide 20, I'll highlight our quarterly performance where we generally exceeded expectations and stayed within all financial guidance ranges for the full year. In the fourth quarter, collaboration revenue grew by 8% to approximately $19,000,000 and YUPELRI brand level cash profitability reached its highest level to date. Speaker 300:14:38Operating expenses excluding share based comp increased to $22,000,000 this quarter. This was due to incremental commercial and medical affairs spend on aproloxetine pre launch activities and increased R and D expenses due to an uptick in Cypress patient enrollment. As mentioned for the year, R and D, SG and A and share based comp expense were all within our full year financial guidance ranges. We utilized $3,000,000 of cash this quarter and $14,000,000 for the full year, aligning with our goal of maintaining a strong balance sheet, while progressing towards the completion of the Cypress study. We ended the year with $88,000,000 of cash, which excludes the $50,000,000 Trelegy milestone cash receipt. Speaker 300:15:22On Slide 21, I'll provide our 2025 financial guidance. First, we're guiding to R and D expense, excluding share based comp of between $32,000,000 and $38,000,000 This reflects the completion of the Cypress study with clinical trial costs decreasing in the second half of the year, offset by one time incremental spend to facilitate the majority to facilitate the completion of a majority of the NDA prior to data readout. Second, we expect slight growth to our SG and A expense, driven by measured investments for ampreloxetine in areas such as market research, market access and medical affairs in preparation for potential NDA filing. For the year, we expect total SG and A expense excluding share based comp to be between $50,000,000 and $60,000,000 Third, we expect share based comp to decrease year over year to a range of $18,000,000 to $20,000,000 driven by continued cost cutting initiatives. And finally, we expect non GAAP losses and cash burn to be similar to 2024 levels, where we had non GAAP losses of $16,000,000 and cash burn of $14,000,000 For both metrics, we anticipate higher levels in the first half of the year with improvements coming in the second half. Speaker 300:16:37And as Rhonda has mentioned, Q1 collaboration revenue will be impacted by typical Yucallari seasonality we've experienced over the past several years. Lastly, our accounting treatment for the TRELEGY milestones have been updated to reflect recent changes to accounting guidelines. We will now only recognize other income if cumulative milestones exceed $194,000,000 For example, achieving the remaining $150,000,000 of milestones would result in only $6,000,000 of other income recognized in 2026 with no other income recognized in 2024 and 2025. As a reminder, this accounting treatment has no impact on cash receipt, which we expect in Q1 of each year. With that, I'll pass it back to Rick to conclude. Speaker 300:17:24Rick? Speaker 100:17:26Thanks Aziz. To summarize on Slide 22, we entered 2025 in a strong financial position with a compelling outlook for shareholders. We ended the year with $88,000,000 in cash excluding the $50,000,000 we just received from Royalty Pharma, no debt and up to another $150,000,000 in Trelegy related potential milestones in the near term. We're also increasingly optimistic regarding the value that the Trelegy royalties may bring to the company and remain committed to ensuring our shareholders benefit directly from our financial success. Thanks to the hard work of our employees and our partner, Viatris, we're well positioned to continue driving YUPELRI growth for the foreseeable future with strong demand generation and a winning patient centered strategy. Speaker 100:18:19We're optimistic regarding the growing contributions to Theravance, which not only include our share of U. S. Profits, but meaningful royalties in China and potential near term milestones in both territories. Finally, I'd highlight the transformation continue to complete continue to expect to complete enrollment in the open label portion of Cypress by mid-twenty twenty five with top line data expected approximately six months later. Based on the results we've generated to date, as well as feedback from the community and market research, we believe ampriloxetine has the potential to deliver meaningful clinical benefits to many patients with MSA who suffer debilitating symptoms of NoH. Speaker 100:19:10We thank you for your continued support, ready to take your questions. Operator? Operator00:19:15Thank you, sir. And our first question comes from the line of Douglas Tsao from H. C. Wainwright. Your question please. Speaker 500:19:58Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on the progress. Maybe as a starting point, I guess I would like to hear a little bit more from Rhonda about what really drove so much of the success in the hospital channel this particular quarter. I mean, was it just sort of a follow through on some of the execution or sort of some of the initiatives you've had ongoing or was there anything in particular that led to this real sort of step up in performance? Speaker 200:20:30Thanks Doug. Really always appreciate your questions. On the hospital front, the team is executing the strategy very clearly and to see the wins in larger systems and that these systems are now more frequently, not always, but more frequently coming with therapeutic interchange as part of the initial formulary approval that brings additional volume as I think you already appreciate. You will see a doubling of market share in those accounts that have a therapeutic interchange versus a conventional formulary approval. So team is executing. Speaker 200:21:10They know where to go. They have a strategy of not only ensuring that concomitant use becomes adopted in protocols and then following on with that to ensure if there's opportunity with converting short acting nebulized use to long acting that certainly follows through. So we're just very, very pleased with what our small team of 14 have been able to accomplish, particularly this last quarter. Speaker 500:21:37And Rhonda, I guess on the therapeutic interchange side, I'm just curious, I mean, how long when did those wins occur? And did you sort of anticipate seeing this improvement or just maybe not quite as early, just because sort of the magnitude or sort of the sort of inflection is quite impressive? Speaker 200:22:05It starts with knowing who to focus on and then it takes a full team effort, with starting with national accounts and having C suite discussions with ensuring that when requested that the medical team can provide the clinical information that's necessary for completing the dossier submission for formulary review. And then once approved, that's when the sales team is certainly there to ensure the pull through or recognizing the clinicians whether they're hospitalists, radiation therapy or the pulmonologist, specialist and the discharge team understand the access meaning formulary is approved, so product is available and that everyone involved knows how to use it. And then ensuring that these patients are leaving the hospital with what they were exposed to in the hospital with their YUPELRI script in hand so that they continue their maintenance care post. So it's the execution again. It's knowing where to prioritize the effort. Speaker 500:23:11And then one final one for me, if I can. I know you talked a lot about sort of improvement in your focus on the channel mix to improve the gross to net. And I think sort of some of that improvement seems to have happened maybe faster than you expected. And I guess I'm just curious sort of the trajectory we should expect to see on that front into 2025? Speaker 200:23:37Well, as we've commented in the past, in partnership with ViaTrust, this not only starts with effective execution, but also ensuring there's contracting discipline along the way and effective pricing strategy. So we certainly did comment that it would take probably more into 2025 before you would see more rightsizing of that. But I think that strategy of pricing coupled with that improvement in channel mix, meaning getting to those higher margin volumes pushing through or being pulled through, that's what's driving the improvement. And we're very pleased about it obviously. Speaker 500:24:22Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:24:25Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Julian Harrison from BTIG. Your question please. Speaker 600:24:33Hi, good afternoon. Congrats on a very strong end to 2024 and for taking my questions. Thank you for taking my questions. It looks like 4Q was really a standout quarter on the hospital side. Kind of related to the last questions asked, I'm wondering if you could comment on any follow through of that trajectory or trend you saw in 4Q into the first two months of twenty twenty five? Speaker 100:25:01Rhonda, you want to take that? Speaker 200:25:03Yes. Julien, not to get ahead of ourselves as a comment in Q1 can typically be a softer quarter. I think everyone's quite aware of what's happening particularly on the hospital front relative to RSV flu and census being high in the hospital. So I think the demonstrated need of ensuring that having product access to YUPELRI is paying off and that's also whether I would probably classify that is unfortunate giving patients are having difficulties, there's a need. So I do think that is a tailwind for us. Speaker 600:25:46Okay, great. Thank you. And then, can you remind us of the next steps for UPELRI in China? Are you just waiting for a regulatory decision there with your partner, Viatris? Do you have an approximate sense of the timing of next steps too? Speaker 200:26:04Definitely, it's the waiting for the regulatory commentary back to the ViaTrust team and for planning assumptions as we've stated in the past. That two year window is what we typically would expect from time of submission to approval. So that's still what we're operating under. Speaker 300:26:27And as a reminder that, so this is within June of twenty twenty four, so last year. So two years from then would be middle of next year is kind of the baseline assumption for that. That obviously triggers a $7,500,000 milestone and then very high 14% to 20% royalties on any potential sales in the market. Speaker 600:26:49Excellent. That's helpful. And then finally, I'm just curious if you could talk more about your recent feedback from the FDA on ampreloxetine. Wondering if you could share specifically what spurred that interaction and can you talk in any more detail about what you receive clarity on? Speaker 100:27:09Andy, you want to take that? I don't know, we can't hear Anya, but this was a Type C meeting. We just wanted to make sure that we understood what the content of the filing should be, make sure that we had everything documented in terms of FDA expectations for the filing. And that was really just good regulatory practice. So that as we said, we can invest the money in 2025, really developing and writing the NDA such that it would provide for an expedited filing once we had Cypress results hopefully that are positive. Speaker 600:28:05Got it. Thank you. That makes sense. Operator00:28:11Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of David Risinger from Leerink Partners. Your question please. Speaker 700:28:19Yes, thanks very much and thanks for all of the detail today and congrats on the fourth quarter performance. So I just had some basic sort of financial questions. So first, was there any channel stocking or any other anomalies that benefited the fourth quarter net revenue? Second, what percentage of YUPELRI sales are non hospital sales dollars? Just wanted to understand, if hospital is like 90% of net sales of YUPELRI or 60% of net sales of YUPELRI? Speaker 700:29:00Just wanted to understand that. And then third, could you just explain why the non hospital sales dollars are trending down year over year? Thanks very much. Speaker 100:29:19Just in terms of the and I'll turn this over to Terzeth over to Rhonda, but just in terms of sort of year end levels, I think based on what we understand, year end inventory levels were about the same as they are every year for ViaTrust. So I don't think there was anything unusual there. Rhonda? Speaker 200:29:41That's correct, Rick. David, your second question, if I understand correctly, the percent of UPELRIE that runs through the hospital channel and what proportion of that of the total brand, is that correct? Speaker 700:29:56Yes. Just trying to understand what percentage of YUPELRI sales dollars come from the non hospital category, however you categorize it? And then why is that trending down year over year? Speaker 200:30:18The hospital business accounts for in pure volume within the inpatient setting is roughly 10% of the total brand. So you can see it's a smaller proportion leading 90% to the larger channels of the community setting, which includes long term care. So you'll have to orient me to what your question or where you're finding data of what the decline is because that's not in line with what we're seeing relative to the demand increase, which was 11% full year for last year. Speaker 700:30:54Oh, got it. Yes. To orient you, so the slide only discusses the hospital growth and volume of something like 49% and the company never discusses non hospital volume or non hospital sales dollars. So that's what drove the question. I was wondering what is happening in non hospital since the slide this quarter and historical quarters only relate to hospital. Speaker 700:31:27So that's what was driving the question. But I misperceived, I thought that hospital was a larger percentage of the sales dollars, but obviously since you just disclosed that the hospital volume is only 10% of total YUPELRI volume, Now I have better context and I understand that non hospital is growing. Speaker 200:31:55That's right. Thank you, David. And I think a point of differentiation there, it's unit dose in the hospital and an average day is roughly three point five days for exacerbating patients, whereas obviously I think you appreciate in the community setting it's a thirty day script. So that's a volume differentiator right there. Speaker 700:32:17Got it. Thank you. Speaker 100:32:18The other you want to just touch on demand growth as well, just so that David's got that, Rhonda? Speaker 200:32:26Yes. I offered that up at the beginning, 11% full year. Speaker 100:32:33And so, yes, David, the strategy here for us and Beatrice is, we're in the hospital driving uses of use in the hospital such that the patient can have a good experience with the product that obviously we're talking about the ability to breathe better, good experience and therefore get a prescription as they leave the hospital for outpatient use. And we get about eighty percent between eighty percent and ninety percent depending on the quarter of patients leaving the hospital with the script. And I think for the future, another source of growth for us and Viatris is just simply converting a higher and higher percentage of those scripts to really true chronic therapy out in the outpatient setting. Speaker 700:33:26Got it. Thanks again. Operator00:33:30Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Franke from TD Cowen. Your question Speaker 200:33:43please. Hi, Speaker 800:33:43this is Alex on for Mark. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question. So just a couple on ampreloxetine. First, what do you ultimately see as the bar for success for the Cypress readout? And then assuming Cypress is positive, what would kind of be the scale of the commercial organization you need to kind of assemble to market the drug? Speaker 800:34:04And will any of that build occur ahead of the data? Or is the potential OpEx increase entirely a 2026 story? Speaker 100:34:14Thanks. Yes, just I think that we've touched on this before, but a one point change in the OHS composite score is a clinically meaningful change. So seeing a one point move in the OhSA composite, come in evaluating patients and the randomized withdrawal and that being statistically significant that would constitute success both from a statistical as well as a clinical meaningfulness viewpoint. I'll let Rhonda touch on the other point, but really just on the spend, we will hold off on increasing the size of the organization until after we have Cypress data. But Rhonda, just you want to qualitatively talk about the size of an organization? Speaker 200:35:11Yes. Alex, it's an important question and work that we have underway for determining what is the optimal size when it relates to specific in person promotion. But what I will say given what we understand about the market today and having a very close evaluation of claims to particularly understand what's being prescribed and where and by who, we believe we can be very efficient with how we assemble and deploy the sales effort. And when I say the sales effort, that would be any personnel, whether that's in person or we have virtual reach and then that complemented by digital surround sound with omni channel reach. So appreciating that the script view that we have today, it helps us to appreciate the concentration of the potential targets with that being roughly 3,000 prescribers and then that being concentrated across, I believe two fifty centers that we centers and clinics that we want to ensure we're highly focused on. Speaker 200:36:24So that concentration really allows us to be very efficient, which I think we set the example of how efficiently we can operate with our current sales team. Speaker 300:36:34And Alex, this is Zaze. Just to clarify the cost question. So, yes, as you mentioned, the SG and A is going up, but not by much, right? The midpoint of guidance is $55,000,000 relative to actuals of $53,000,000 in 2024. So you're going up a couple of million bucks, very measured investment in medical affairs, market access, etcetera, market research, etcetera. Speaker 300:37:02This is all external spend and basically no incremental FTEs prior to the Cypress data readout. So no incremental FTEs baked into the guidance in 2025 for SG and A. Speaker 800:37:16Got it. Thanks again. Operator00:37:19Thank you. And it appears that we have no further questions on the phone. I'd now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Windcamp. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:37:29Yes. Just like to thank everyone for joining us today and thank you for the questions. We look forward to an exciting 2025 being able to deliver on the strategic priorities that we outlined in today's call. Have a great day. Thank you. Operator00:37:46Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.Read morePowered by