Alexander & Baldwin Q4 2024 Earnings Report

Alexander & Baldwin EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.30
• Consensus EPS: $0.15
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.15
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Alexander & Baldwin Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $62.45 million
• Expected Revenue: $49.68 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$12.77 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Alexander & Baldwin Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2024
• Date: 2/27/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, February 27, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 5:00PM ET

Alexander & Baldwin (NYSE:ALEX) engages in the real estate business. It operates through the Commercial Real Estate and Land Operations segments. The Commercial Real Estate segment includes investments and acquisitions, construction and development, and in-house leasing and property management. The Land Operations segment consists of legacy landholdings, assets, and liabilities subject to the company's simplification and monetization effort. The company was founded by Samuel Thomas Alexander and Henry Perrine Baldwin in 1870 and is headquartered in Honolulu, HI.

Alexander & Baldwin Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Operator]

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Fourth Quarter '20 '20 '4 Alexander and Baldwin Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen only mode. This call is being recorded on Thursday, 02/27/2025. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Imanaka, Senior Manager on the Development team.

[Operator]

Please go ahead.

[Michael Imanaka, Sr. Development Manager at Alexander & Baldwin]

Thank you, operator. Aloha and welcome to Alexander and Baldwin's fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four earnings conference call. My name is Michael Imanaka and I'm a Senior Manager on the ANB Development team. With me today are ANV's Chief Executive Officer, Lance Parker and Chief Financial Officer, Clayton Chun. We are also joined by Kit Milan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management, who is available to participate in the Q and A portion of the call.

[Michael Imanaka, Sr. Development Manager at Alexander & Baldwin]

During our call, please refer to our fourth quarter twenty twenty four financial presentation available on our website at investors. Alexanderbaldwin dot com slash events. Before we commence, please note that statements in this presentation that are not historical facts are forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by the relevant forward looking statements. These forward looking statements include, but are not limited to, statements regarding possible or assumed future results of operations, business strategies, growth opportunities and competitive positions. Such forward looking statements speak only as of the date the statements were made and are not guarantees of future performance.

[Michael Imanaka, Sr. Development Manager at Alexander & Baldwin]

Forward looking statements are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors that could cause actual results and the timing of certain events to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by the forward looking statements. These factors include, but are not limited to, prevailing market conditions and other factors related to the company's REIT status and the company's business, evaluation of alternatives by the company's related to its non core assets and the risk factors discussed in the company's most recent Form 10 K, Form 10 Q and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The information in this presentation should be evaluated in light of these important risk factors. We do not undertake any obligation to update the company's forward looking statements. Management will be referring to non GAAP financial measures during our call today.

[Michael Imanaka, Sr. Development Manager at Alexander & Baldwin]

Please refer to our statement regarding the use of these non GAAP measures and reconciliations included in our twenty twenty four fourth quarter supplemental information and presentation materials. Lance will start today's presentation with an overview, then hand it off to Clayton for a discussion of financial matters. To close, Lance will return for some final remarks, then we will open it up for your questions. With that, let me turn the call over to Lance.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Thanks, Michael. Great job. To everyone joining us, aloha. 2024 was my first year as the CEO of ANB and I can't help but reflect on the performance of the company over the past several years compared to our retail peers. It's becoming a REIT in 2017, our same store NOI growth has averaged 3.8% per year compared to 2.3% for the NAREIT shopping center subsector.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

We began presenting FFO in 2020 and achieved a CAGR on CRE and corporate FFO of 20.4% compared to 9.3% for the NAREIT shopping center subsector. We achieved these impressive results, but it really wasn't until last year that we were able to fully concentrate on executing our Hawaii focused commercial real estate strategy. Throughout 2024, I emphasized our four priorities related to this execution operational excellence, balance sheet strength and flexibility, streamlining our business and cost structure and growth. Over the course of the year, we grew our FFO and NOI and saw a strong leasing activity in the portfolio. We improved our capital structure by refinancing $130,000,000 of mortgage debt with unsecured debt at fixed rates, extended the maturity date on our revolving credit facility to 2028 and established a new at the market share program.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

We opportunistically sold more than 400 acres of non core landholdings, enabling us to reduce carrying costs within the land operations segment. And from a growth perspective, thanks to Michael and the rest of our development team, we began construction of our 30,000 square foot industrial asset on the island of Mali. Importantly, the team has been busy underwriting other development and redevelopment opportunities. This of course is in addition to the 81,500 square foot industrial asset we purchased in the third quarter of last year. Operationally, we ended the year on a high note with better than expected results in the fourth quarter and for the full year.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Same store NOI grew by 2.4% for the quarter and 2.9% for the year. Excluding the impact of collections of prior year reserves, our same store NOI growth was 2.9% for the quarter and 3.3% for the year. We executed 47 leases in our improved property portfolio, representing more than 140,000 square feet of GLA and two zero nine leases or 630,000 square feet of GLA during 2024. Our blended leasing spreads remained strong in the fourth quarter at 14% on a comparable basis and 11.7% for 2024. Our leased occupancy was 94.6%, up 60 basis points sequentially and 10 basis points lower than last year.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

The sequential improvement was driven by a two thirty basis point increase in our retail portfolio due to the backfill of our large vacancy at Wainai Mall. Economic occupancy at quarter end was 92.9%, down 10 basis points from last quarter as well as the same period last year. These results were driven by the industrial and office vacancies we previously mentioned. We believe that the short term decline in occupancy will provide long term opportunity through repositioning. S and L at quarter end was $3,400,000 and includes rent for the recently announced Marlin Bar by Tommy Bahama, which we look forward to opening at Queens Marketplace later this year and about $1,000,000 of ABR related to our build to suit at Maui Business Park, which is expected to become economic at the end of twenty twenty five.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

We are committed to driving operational results from our CRE portfolio with the mindset that good day to day outcomes are the foundation for long term shareholder value. Looking ahead to 2025, the team will be focused on the following objectives: improving revenue in our retail assets through timely renewals and new leases increasing occupancy within our industrial portfolio developing our existing land bank of industrial assets and sourcing accretive external acquisitions and creative investments. With that, I'll turn the call over to Clayton to discuss our financial results and guidance. Clayton?

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Thanks, Lance and Aloha, hi, everyone. We closed out 2024 strong with fourth quarter FFO of $0.3 per share, reflecting a $0.03 increase as compared to the same quarter last year and AFFO of $0.19 per share, $0.02 higher than last year. The year over year FFO and AFFO increase was driven primarily by stronger operating results within our commercial real estate portfolio. For the full year, FFO was $1.37 per share, $0.28 higher than the prior year. The higher year over year FFO was primarily attributed to higher land sale margin, stronger commercial real estate performance and improved G and A in 2024.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Full year 2024 FFO also reflects certain net favorable non cash swap and financing related adjustments that occurred in the first quarter. '20 '20 '4 AFFO was $1.1 per share or $0.23 higher than the prior year due primarily to higher land sale margins, CRE performance and G and A improvements. Each of these metrics benefited from collections of prior year reserves of approximately $1,700,000 or $0.02 per share in 2024 versus $2,100,000 of collection or $0.03 per share in 2023. During 2024, we continued our efforts to streamline the business and made meaningful progress to improve our cost structure. We decreased G and A expenses by $4,200,000 or 12.4% in 2024 as compared to 2023.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

We also made significant progress in reducing carrying costs for land operations during the year. We entered 2024 with a carrying cost run rate of $6,000,000 to $7,000,000 Based upon activity during the year, however, we simplified our cost structure and ended 2024 incurring carrying costs totaling 5,800,000 for the year and a run rate ranging from $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 We will continue to prioritize simplifying land operations and we'll provide updates as we make progress throughout the year. Turning to our balance sheet. We continue to maintain a strong and flexible balance sheet. And during the fourth quarter, we took additional steps to further enhance it.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

In October, we recast our revolving credit facility, extending the maturity to October of twenty twenty eight, while maintaining the spread on our borrowings. In December, we also paid off our $73,000,000 mortgage, which was secured by Pearl Highlands Center. As of 2024 year end, our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio stood at 3.6 times. Approximately 96% of our debt was at fixed rates and our debt maturity profile remains solid with no significant maturities in 2025. With respect to our dividend, we paid a fourth quarter dividend of $0.225 per share on January 8 and our Board declared a first quarter twenty twenty five dividend of $0.225 payable on April 7.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Moving on to 2025, we are issuing guidance as follows. We expect same store NOI growth of 2.4% to 3.2%, FFO between $1.13 and $1.2 per share and CRE and corporate related FFO of $1.11 to $1.16 per share. While we are not providing quarterly guidance, it should be noted that our quarterly metrics may vary due to the timing of certain items throughout the year. I'd now like to provide some context and highlight important assumptions related to our guidance. First, our CRE and corporate FFO guidance reflects a 4.1% increase at the midpoint when normalizing 2024 for the $0.02 of FFO attributed to the swap and financing related adjustments.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

The increase reflected in the 2025 FFO is primarily driven by core CRE performance. Second, our guidance takes into account the approximately 50,000 square feet of vacancy within our industrial portfolio and 13,000 square feet within our office portfolio that we mentioned last quarter. We have both near term and long term opportunities that we're pursuing for these spaces and we'll provide information in the future. Our FFO guidance also includes a $0.01 of contribution related to external acquisitions programmed for the second half of twenty twenty five. With respect to G and A, on the heels of achieving a 12.4% reduction in costs in 2024, we will continue to actively pursue opportunities to further simplify our cost structure.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

But we expect the trajectory of our G and A level to moderate in 2025 ranging from a flat to a $0.01 per share improvement from 2024. Finally, our total FFO guidance also assumes contributions from land operations ranging from $0.02 to $0.04 per share in 2025, reflecting a modest amount of assumed land sales margin in joint venture income. With that, I will turn the call over to Lance for his closing remarks.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Thank you, Clayton. I'm pleased with the strategic accomplishments and operating results we achieved last year. I'm also excited about the prospects for 2025 and I'm confident in our ability to continue executing on our strategy to ultimately drive consistent growth in returns for our shareholders. For the remainder of this year, I will report on our progress in the context of the following three priorities, improving our CRE portfolio performance, internal and external growth and streamlining our business and cost structure. And with that, we'll conclude our formal remarks and open the call up to questions.

[Operator]

Thank Your first question comes from Gaurav Mehta of Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

[Gaurav Mehta, Managing Director at Alliance Global Partners]

Yes. Thank you. I wanted to go back to your comments about your 2025 priorities around external growth. I think you mentioned that you're looking at underwriting more development and redevelopment opportunities within your portfolio. I was hoping to get some more color on what you guys are looking at.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Hey, Gaurav, it's Lance. Nice to hear from you. Thanks for the question. I've started to, I would say, be a little bit more optimistic in my remarks over the last couple of quarters with regards to certainly with regards to external growth. And I would say as we look ahead to 2025 that continues to be consistent.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Pricing remains challenging, but we are seeing opportunities in the marketplace. And so I am encouraged by that. But specific to your question, we will continue to look and mind opportunities on internal growth. And so specifically on the development front, we talked about the build to suit at Maui Business Park and that's going to contribute about $1,000,000 to our S and O pipeline. So something like that, we're seeing similar opportunities within the Maui Business Park for potential build to suits, potentially even some speculative development.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

The industrial market here in Hawaii remains very strong. And I would say similarly to some of our land bank with industrial properties on Oahu, we've started to see some interest there as well. So I'm hopeful that we'll be able to make some announcements later in the year with regard to those initiatives. And then I guess I would just add, this really is sort of the first time we're being transparent about the fact that we are carrying a $0.01 of FFO in our guidance for the full year and that would be for growth initiatives.

[Gaurav Mehta, Managing Director at Alliance Global Partners]

Okay. Second question on your lease expirations for 2025. Do you have any known move outs for the leases that are expiring this year?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Do we have any known move outs? I just want to make sure I understand the question.

[Gaurav Mehta, Managing Director at Alliance Global Partners]

Yes. Are you expecting like any move outs within the exploration that you have this year?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Yes. Kit, you want to take a stab at that?

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

Sure. Last quarter, we signaled that there was about 50,000 square feet of industrial move outs for that was going to occur in the fourth quarter. We were pleased that 33,000 square feet of that actually stayed in and is actually still there. And we do have backfill opportunities for that that we're actively pursuing. We did have one tenant bankruptcy and that was Liberated Brands.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

Very low exposure overall about $450,000 of ABR and only about 7,000 square feet in total between one retail asset and one industrial asset.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

And then I would just add, Gura, for some additional color. We do provide our lease expiration schedule in our supplement. And given our WALT on in any given year, I would expect to see somewhere in the low double digits, low teens in terms of roll. Our roll on an ABR basis for 2025 is just over 8%. So kudos to our leasing team for really getting ahead of a lot of the renewals and mitigating that risk for us this year.

[Gaurav Mehta, Managing Director at Alliance Global Partners]

Okay. Thank you. That's all I had.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Rob Stevenson of Janney. Please go ahead.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Hey, Rob, are you there? Operator, can you check, Rob may not, I'm not sure if his volume is working. If not, maybe we can put him back in the queue and tee up somebody else.

[Rob Stevenson, Managing Director - Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott]

You guys hear me?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Oh, can now. Hey, Rob. Hey, Rob.

[Rob Stevenson, Managing Director - Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott]

Okay. Finally unmuted me. The bankrupt tenant, Liberty branch you said, do you have that space back or is that still in the bankruptcy process?

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

We do not have

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

the space back. They're actually still open and operating and doing their liquidation sale.

[Rob Stevenson, Managing Director - Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott]

Okay. Do you have any expected timing? Is that sort of mid year, late year, 2026 before you get that space back? I know it's not a lot of ABR or space, but just curious as to your ability to start marketing that space to another tenant in the interim?

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

So we expect it around mid year and the good news is that we actually already have some prospects for the space at Queens Market Place.

[Rob Stevenson, Managing Director - Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott]

Okay, that's great. And then, in the supplemental, there was a big jump quarter over quarter in the leased occupancy in the retail portfolio. What I think it was like two thirty basis points. What drove that?

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

Sure. So the primary driver is actually really good news. It was back fill of the Waianae Mall anchor space that we talked about that terminated in January of last year. So the tenant that we did put in there is a community use. The lease is relatively short term, which provides us with future optionality.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

And it was really capital efficient. It didn't require very little capital outlay. So the good news overall is that we backfilled it very quickly.

[Rob Stevenson, Managing Director - Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott]

Okay. And then last one for me. Clayton, beyond the sort of $0.02 to $0.04 of land operations, what's the biggest lever that causes you to go to either the low end or the high end of the guidance? What's the biggest swing factors in the guidance range for '25 at this point in the year for you?

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Yes. Hi, Rob. So for us, I would say that the low end, it's going to involve delayed tenant occupancy or unplanned vacancies. I think bad debt could also come into play in terms of the low end of it. And then in terms of the high end of our guidance is effectively the inverse of that.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

So to the extent that we're able to have our tenants take possession of spaces earlier, then that could certainly be helpful for our FFO. And the same could be said with respect to bad debt to the extent that we have stronger bad debt collections and just overall tenant health continues to improve, then that would be accretive from for us from a FFO perspective.

[Rob Stevenson, Managing Director - Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott]

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time tonight.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

All right. Thanks Rob.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Alexander Goldfarb of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies]

Hey, morning out there. So a few questions. Just following up on Rob's tenant credit question. Your bankruptcies are obviously very low and credit for you guys tends to be good. Are you expecting that to continue this year?

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies]

The one, curious your bad debt reserve and two, is there something specific about the retailers on Hawaii such that maybe when there are tenant credit issues sort of the Hawaiian outpost sort of the last to be affected? Just sort of curious about the tenant health out in Hawaii versus the sister locations on the Mainland?

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

Sure. Aloha, Alex. How are you doing? So what I'll tell you

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

is that

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

good, good. So collections have remained really strong. We're not seeing any signs of overall trouble. Customer traffic on Oahu was actually up year over year and that's where we have most of our centers. Even though it was flat elsewhere in the portfolio and tenant sales have remained strong.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

We exceeded our percentage rental for the quarter and the year. Now in terms of bad debt itself, the opportunity set for prior year reserve recoveries has decreased dramatically. In fact, it was down about 40% in Q4 twenty twenty four versus 2023. So obviously that opportunity set going down is a good thing. It means that we're seeing less and less bad debt as we go forward.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

We don't have a lot of exposure to Green Street's tenant watch list and we have no real exposure to big bankrupt tenants other than the Liberated Brands that we just mentioned. And in terms of your question about retailers, one of the I think pharmacy is on everybody's mind right now. And I'll give the example of Longs. So Longs is a CVS tenant. And in Hawaii, that Longs banner is more seen like a local retailer.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

And all of those stores are very strong. And in fact, we just renewed one of those stores at Manoa Marketplace because the sales are so high there. So I think there's a little bit of insulation for some of the national brands overall.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies]

Okay. That's helpful. And then the second question is legacy overhead from the land business. Maybe it was a year or two ago, you guys discussed as you exit the land business, there were certain costs. I think there were more pension related and sort of disconnected from the actual business, but that were harder to reduce over time.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies]

When I look in your presentation, you talk about pretty healthy reduction both in corporate and in land business on overhead expense. So just want to revisit some of these stickier legacy land costs. Are you able to accelerate the unwind of some of these legacy pension costs or there's a certain level that's always going to be there even after you sell the last acreage of land?

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Hi, Alex, Clayton. So, yes, with respect to the holding costs for land operations, we have made quite a bit of progress in simplifying the cost structure there and that really corresponded with our ability to just simplify that segment overall. The composition of the remaining costs, it is a combination of you have personnel costs as well as just what I'd characterize as stewardship. So with the land that we have there, there's just natural costs that are associated with owning the land. And so to the extent that we're able to monetize the remaining non core lands, there will be variable costs that come out of the system by virtue of that.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

It should be noted though that within land operations, we do have some aspects of what we deem to be core land holdings and so that would be namely Maui Business Park. And so we expect to keep a hold of those assets for a longer period of time. So I think it's important to point that out.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies]

Okay. Okay. And then just a final question on the land sales specifically. What is the what's your what's the buyer appetite out there for land? I have to believe it's only getting stronger just people seem to like real estate these days.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies]

But what's the buyer appetite? And as you whittle the holdings down, is it are you ending up with small pockets here and there? Or is the remaining still sort of large chunks that are sort of efficient to sell?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Hey, Alex, it's Lance. So I'll answer the question in sort of two buckets. One is our true sort of non core land bucket, which represents, call it about 3,000 acres left in the portfolio. Those are mostly smaller acreages that are disaggregated unlike the large contiguous swaths of land that we used to have that we sold in our two actually three big chunks, two in Maui and one on Kauai. So these would be a little bit more opportunistic.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

I would say in general, land interest remains high, although financing for smaller agricultural lots isn't I wouldn't not that it's not plentiful, but that can be challenging from time to time. So that's sort of our non core bucket. And then as Clayton mentioned within Latin operations, we do have Maui Business Park. We do consider that core. And there specifically, I will say that interest remains strong.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

So this is immediately adjacent to the airport, fully entitled, fully off-site infrastructured. And we are continuing to see strong demand to buy. So that said, I think it's important to note that as we continue to either build out or sell out, we will be taking a much more strategic perspective with regard to Maui Business Park, meaning a stronger likelihood of us retaining lots to build long term for our portfolio as opposed to just selling out the remainder of the business park.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies]

Happy to hear that. I know we've discussed that over the years, but given they're not making more Hawaii looks, I guess, except for beach erosion or whatever, good to hear that you're keeping more than Maui Business Park for selling. Thank you.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Okay. Thanks, Alex. Thanks, Alex.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Mitch Germain of Citizens. Please go ahead.

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

Hey guys, how are you? So I wanted to ask Al, thanks guys. I just want to ask Al's question differently. I mean, obviously you talked about cost containment and there's a couple of buckets there, right? There's obviously what's happening on the land side, right?

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

As you sell more, there's also probably some staff utilization changes that are happening there. Is there anything else that is driving that $4,000,000 plus decline year over year?

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Hey, Mitch, it's Clayton. Yes. So with respect to the $4,000,000 G and A reduction that you're referring to, that was outside of land operations. We have obviously our corporate overhead. There's some aspects of commercial real estate that also has G and A, but that's really been a considerable focus of ours over the past few years.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

And as we've transformed the company and become a pure play REIT, we've been able to streamline processes. We've focused on ways in which we can automate what we've done and as well as just from a personnel standpoint, we've had our leadership changes and the like. And so through all of that, we've been able to reap some of the benefits of cost efficiencies that we're now seeing play out. And so that's really what the $4 plus million efficiency was this past year. So as we look ahead, we're going to continue to focus on identifying ways in which we can be more efficient and streamline our operations further.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

But as I said in the prepared remarks, for 2025, we're expecting to have that trajectory moderate.

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

And by moderate, you mean, you're going to have about a possibly a tad more G and A? I just want to make sure what I understand from that terminology moderate.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Yes. So we're expecting to the G and A level overall to be flat to a $0.01 per share improvement as compared to 2024.

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

And the word improvement means better, lower G and A, just to make sure that

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Lower G and A, yes.

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

That's what I was trying to get. Okay, great.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

That's correct.

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

Great. Okay, great. On the land slide, I never can say these right, but Kapolei Business Park, it was carved out previously, it's no longer there. Is that what was driving the land activity in the fourth quarter?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

We did have a couple of parcels in Kapolei Business Park that we did sell, Mitch. So maybe somewhat contrary to my comments about Maui Business Park and long term strategic for building within our portfolio, We are very much focused on that, but we did get some pretty compelling pricing to sell two lots that we did have two smaller lots that from a development standpoint could have been done. But on a net present value, we determined that the best use or was really to kind of recycle that capital. And so we use that as part of the capital stack in our acquisition of that 81,000 square foot industrial building that we purchased in October of last year. So that did drive part of the activity that was reported in Q4.

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

Got you. That's good to know. Last question for me, same store. I think you've got a little bit of a deceleration that is being implied by your guidance. I'm just trying to understand some of the variables that are kind of the principles that are guiding kind of where your outlook is being based on for next year obviously.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

So I'll talk about it in terms of asset classes. So first and foremost on the retail front, we had really strong retail leasing in 2024. And as a result, we expect same store growth in 2025 to be significant as those spaces continue to go economic and renewal spreads kick in. On the industrial side, growth will be somewhat anemic due to that lease terminations we referenced before at Kakaako Commerce Center in Park. But the good news is that we do have prospects for both of those assets.

[Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management at Alexander & Baldwin]

So we expect the rent to turn on quicker than what we originally expected. And then on the ground side, we don't have any meaningful resets or rent steps in 2025. So growth will be minimal this year.

[Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC]

Thank you.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Thanks, Mitch.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from Brandon McCarthy of Sidoti. Please go ahead.

[Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company]

Hey, good afternoon, everybody.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Hey, Brandon. Hey, Brandon.

[Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company]

Hey, just want to touch on a follow-up to rent spreads. I think last quarter they saw a nice jump, kind of above that 7% to 8% blended comparable spread level that we saw in the first half of this year. But it looks like it stayed pretty elevated for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. I guess were there any one off items that drove that or is that I guess what's kind of baked into that 14% number?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Yes. Kind of building off of some of Kit's earlier comments, we did see strong leasing activity in 2024. So I would say baseline remained strong. But that said, really sort of exactly to your point, we did have a couple of individual leases that really sort of drove the performance for the quarter. And I would say the one specifically in Kit's earlier example of the CVS longs renewal, that was an example where we got a pretty significant lift in ABR.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

It was an anchor space in our Manoa Marketplace shopping center. And so that was a contributor to the spread that we received in the quarter.

[Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company]

Great, great. And just to clarify, are you optimistic or confident that the year end spreads of that 11.7%, do you think 2025 will see a kind of level similar to that?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

I'm going to stop short of providing a number or sort of guidance on the spread itself. But what I can say is that based on what we're seeing in the beginning of the year, we do expect leasing interest to remain strong, consistent with the type of interest that we saw in 2024.

[Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company]

Great. That's helpful. And then one more question for me. Just curious on the office exposure in the portfolio. I know it's obviously small percentage of NOI, but how can we kind of think about that office those office assets?

[Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company]

And I think at one point you mentioned they were non core in general, but can we think those assets may be repurposed or sold altogether?

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Yes. So just to provide a little bit more context, just in terms of relative scale to the overall portfolio, we're talking about 4% -ish of NOI, so relatively small, therefore non core or non strategic, I should say. Small in its impact and non strategic in that that's not an asset class that we view us owning long term. So with that in mind, we do have four assets, three of which are on Maui. I would say the one in Oahu is strategic and core because it sits within a shopping center.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

And so it really acts more like a retail asset than a standalone office building. And then the three on Maui, we've talked in the past and I think to the extent that we find appropriate investments, those would be good opportunities for our capital recycling. And so we'll certainly keep it in mind as an opportunity as part of our capital that we look to either deploy or redeploy into new investments.

[Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company]

Great. Thanks, Lance. And I'll ask you just one quick follow-up question here. I think Clayton you mentioned that growth expectations kind of incorporate about a penny in FFO per share on acquisitions for the upcoming year. Just curious if you could provide some more color or detail on that outlook?

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

So effectively that's just reflecting our we've been signaling the fact that we're encouraged with what we're seeing overall and the fact that we have been prioritizing growth. And so in terms of what the composition actually is, we're not in a position to comment on specifics of what that would entail. But it could be a combination of external as well as internal opportunities.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

So I would just add, so effectively it's unspecified growth. So we expect to be able to place the capital and receive that penny throughout the year, but it is not ascribed to anything specific. We did talk about the $1,000,000 of ABR in our S and O pipeline attributed to the build to suit at Maui Business Park. We do expect that to come online at the end of the year and go economic. So it won't have it'll be a de minimis impact to FFO just because of timing.

[Lance Parker, President & CEO at Alexander & Baldwin]

So this really is to Clayton's point, just our confidence in the market and our ability to place capital.

[Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company]

That makes sense. That's all for me. Thanks everybody.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

All right.

[Operator]

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to Clayton Chun, Chief Financial Officer.

[Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO at Alexander & Baldwin]

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us today. If you have any follow-up questions, feel free to call us at (808) 525-8475 or email us at investorrelationsabhi dot com. Aloha and have a great day.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference. Thank you

Participants

Executives

• Michael Imanaka, Sr. Development Manager
• Lance Parker, President & CEO
• Clayton Chun, Executive VP, Treasurer & CFO
• Kit Millan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management

Analysts

• Gaurav Mehta, Managing Director at Alliance Global Partners
• Rob Stevenson, Managing Director - Head of Real Estate Research at Janney Montgomery Scott
• Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director at Piper Sandler Companies
• Mitch Germain, Managing Director - Real Estate Research at JMP Securities LLC
• Brendan McCarthy, Equity Analyst at Sidoti & Company