NASDAQ:ACT Enact Q4 2024 Earnings Report $35.49 +0.26 (+0.74%) As of 04/24/2025 04:00 PM Eastern Enact EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.09Consensus EPS $1.02Beat/MissBeat by +$0.07One Year Ago EPSN/AEnact Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected Revenue$309.30 millionBeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AEnact Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/4/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, February 5, 2025Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsEnact's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, April 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 1, 2025 at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Company ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Enact Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 5, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to INAX Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Daniel Cole, Vice President of Investor Relations. You may begin. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:00:17Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to our fourth quarter earnings call. Joining me today are Rohit Gupta, President and Chief Executive Officer and Dean Mitchell, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Rohit will provide an overview of our business, performance and progress against our strategy. Dean will then discuss the details of our quarterly results before turning the call back to Rohit for closing remarks. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:00:42We will then take your questions. The earnings materials we issued after market closed yesterday contain our financial results for the quarter along with a comprehensive set of financial and operational metrics. These are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Today's call is being recorded and will include the use of forward looking statements. These statements are based on current assumptions, estimates, expectations and projections as of today's date. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:01:15Additionally, they are subject to risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to be materially different, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise such statements as a result of new information. For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review the cautionary language regarding forward looking statements in today's press release as well as in our filings with the SEC, which will be available on our website. Please keep in mind the earnings materials and management's prepared remarks today include certain non GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these measures to the most relevant GAAP metrics can be found in the press release, our earnings presentation and our upcoming SEC filing on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Rohit. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:02:08Thank you, Daniel. Good morning, everyone. Before we begin, I want to express our deepest sympathies to those affected by the devastation caused by the wildfires in the Los Angeles area and to acknowledge and thank all the firefighters and first responders for their bravery and tireless efforts in protecting the community. Our hearts go out to the entire community during this incredibly difficult time and we are committed to supporting recovery efforts. It is challenging to comprehend the events we are currently witnessing. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:02:40Following the devastation caused by Hurricane Helene, we have now faced yet another catastrophe where our employees and borrowers reside. Both communities will continue to receive our support as they work towards rebuilding. Turning back to our financial results, I want to take a moment to reflect on the incredible year we had in 2024. This year was marked by very strong performance as we executed on our strategic priorities amidst a complex economic backdrop. We continue to deliver value for our customers, drive operational efficiencies in our business, maintain a strong balance sheet and deliver strong capital returns to our shareholders. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:03:23For the full year, adjusted operating income was a new record high of $718,000,000 or $4.56 per diluted share, up 9% year over year and was driven by our strong credit performance. Additionally, adjusted return on equity was 15% and adjusted book value was $34.16 per share, up 12% year over year. Even in an environment with high rates and low housing affordability, we wrote $51,000,000,000 of new insurance written and ended the year with record insurance in force of $269,000,000,000 supporting approximately 140,000 families in achieving homeownership and putting them on a path of building wealth. These results combined with our strong balance sheet and our expense management discipline enabled us to pursue our capital allocation priority. During the year, we issued $750,000,000 in senior notes, our first investment grade debt issuance as a public company and the largest in the industry in over a decade, allowing us to further strengthen our financial position while also saving $2,000,000 in annual interest expense. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:04:37Additionally, in a year when the market continued to face inflationary pressures, we reduced our expenses by 2% excluding restructuring costs. While continuing to invest for future growth, we returned capital of $354,000,000 to shareholders, which was above the high end of our capital return guidance. During the year, our ratings were upgraded by S and P from BBB plus to A-. Additionally, in January 2025, Fitch upgraded our ratings from A- to A. These upgrades are another testament to our resilient business model, consistent delivery against our strategic priorities and the strength of our balance sheet. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:05:21I'm very proud of what our team accomplished this past year and thank our dedicated and talented employees who made it possible. Moving on to fourth quarter results, we reported adjusted operating income of $169,000,000 up 7% year over year. Adjusted earnings per share was $1.09 and adjusted return on equity was 13.5% during the quarter. The operating environment and The U. S. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:05:49Housing market specifically continue to be constructive overall. The long term demographic drivers of housing demand remain robust with low inventory continuing to support elevated home prices. The labor markets are demonstrating resilience with consistent wage growth surpassing the rate of inflation. Overall, our long term view of The U. S. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:06:11Economy and housing remains positive. In the near term, we continue to evaluate the current landscape and will adapt as necessary. Our credit and manufacturing quality continues to be strong resulting in high quality NIW and a portfolio with considerable embedded equity. At the end of the fourth quarter, approximately 70% of our insurance in force had mortgage rates below 6% and the credit quality of our insured portfolio remains strong. Additionally, the risk weighted average FICO score of the portfolio was 745, the risk weighted average loan to value ratio was 93% and layered risk was 1.3% of risk in force. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:06:56Pricing remained constructive in the quarter and we maintained our commitment to prudent underwriting standards. Our pricing engine allows us to deliver competitive pricing on a risk adjusted basis and we continue to underwrite and select risk prudently while generating attractive returns. As anticipated, new delinquencies increased by 6% reflecting the effects of recent hurricanes. Excluding the hurricane impact, new delinquencies rose by 1%, which is in line with historical seasonal trends. Our resilient consumer, strong embedded equity and our loss mitigation efforts continued to drive robust cure rates at 52% for the quarter. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:07:40This strong cure performance drove a reserve release of $56,000,000 during the quarter and our resulting loss ratio was 10%. We continue to see strong credit performance and remain well reserved for a range of scenarios. As I mentioned earlier, we maintained a disciplined approach to expense management while investing in technologies and processes that improve the customer experience and our business operations. During the quarter, our expenses were $58,000,000 a 2% decrease from the same period in 2023 despite an inflationary environment. Moving to our robust capital position, our PMIERs sufficiency was 167% or $2,100,000,000 above requirements. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:08:27During the quarter, we continued to execute against our CRT strategy entering into two quota share reinsurance agreements. Additionally, in January, we executed two forward excess of loss reinsurance transactions covering our 2025 and 2026 book years. We did these transactions at attractive cost of capital and favorable terms. We remain committed to prudent risk management and capital optimization, while also supporting our ability to serve our customers. Our capital position and cash flow have enabled us to effectively pursue our capital allocation priorities, which are to support existing policyholders by maintaining a strong balance sheet, invest in our business to drive organic growth and efficiencies, fund attractive new business opportunities to diversify our platform and return excess capital to shareholders. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:09:24In the past, we have spoken about our desire to extend our platform into compelling adjacencies that leverage our capabilities across mortgage, housing and credit. To that end, we are pleased with ANAC RE's continued performance. ANACRE has maintained strong underwriting standards while generating attractive risk adjusted returns. ANACRE continues to participate in GSE single and multifamily deals that we find attractive and we are excited to build upon this momentum. And AccReim remains a long term growth opportunity that has both capital and expense efficient. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:10:01Finally, in the fourth quarter, we again delivered on our commitment to return capital to our shareholders by returning over $102,000,000 through share buybacks and our quarterly dividend. Since our IPO, we have returned over $1,100,000,000 to shareholders. We also remain committed to our capital allocation priorities including returning capital to shareholders and expect to continue our share buyback and dividend programs while remaining flexible in our approach based on market conditions and subject to the approval of our Board of Directors. Shifting to the current policy environment, with every new administration, there is always discussion regarding new efforts on GSE report. As I have stated in the past, we have support for our franchise and products on both sides of the aisle and our industry puts private capital ahead of taxpayer dollars. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:10:57We look forward to working with the new administration to support people responsibly achieving the dream of homeownership. In closing, we are grateful to our dedicated teams for their relentless focus on executing against our strategic priority. Our strong 2024 results underscore the effectiveness of our approach and our commitment to creating long term value for our customers and shareholders. With that, I will now turn the call over to Dean. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:11:28Thanks, Rohit. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:11:29Good morning, everyone. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:11:31We delivered another set of very strong results in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. GAAP net income was $163,000,000 or $1.05 per diluted share compared to $0.98 per diluted share in the same period last year and $1.15 per diluted share in the third quarter of twenty twenty four. Return on equity was 13%. Adjusted operating income was $169,000,000 or $1.09 per diluted share compared to $0.98 per diluted share in the same period last year and $1.16 per diluted share in the third quarter of twenty twenty four. Adjusted operating return on equity was 13.5%. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:12:12For the full year, GAAP net income was $688,000,000 or $4.37 per diluted share as compared to $666,000,000 or $4.11 per diluted share in 2023. Adjusted operating income for 2024 totaled $718,000,000 or $4.56 per diluted share compared to $676,000,000 or $4.18 per diluted share in 2023. Turning to revenue drivers, primary insurance in force increased to $269,000,000,000 in the fourth quarter, up $1,000,000,000 sequentially and up $6,000,000,000 or 2% year over year. New insurance written was $13,000,000,000 down 2% sequentially, primarily driven by seasonality, partially offset by an estimated increase in refinance originations and up 27% year over year due primarily to higher originations and a resulting larger MI market size. Persistency was 82% in the fourth quarter, down one point sequentially and down four points year over year. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:13:27The decrease year over year was primarily driven by a decline in mortgage rates in September 2024. Our portfolio remains resilient to mortgage rate volatility with 8% of the mortgages in our portfolio having rates at least 50 basis points above December's average mortgage rate. Looking ahead, we anticipate that elevated persistency will continue to help offset the impact of higher mortgage rates. Total net premiums earned were $246,000,000 down $3,000,000 or 1% sequentially and up $6,000,000 or 2% year over year. The decrease sequentially was primarily driven by higher ceded premiums. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:14:09The increase year over year was primarily driven by premium growth from attractive adjacencies and primary insurance in fourth growth, partially offset by higher ceded premiums. Starting in 2023, we began to leverage quota share reinsurance structures, which are very efficient from a cost of capital perspective, but include ceded commissions, ceded losses and profit commissions in addition to ceded premiums. This quarter, new delinquencies from our covered 2023 and 2024 book years increased ceded losses and reduced profit commissions and in turn increased our ceded premiums. Despite this, the net cost of our quota share reinsurance remained flat for the quarter. As we recently announced two new quota share transactions, we expect quota share transactions to make up a larger part of our CRT program going forward. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:15:06Turning to primary premiums, our base premium rate of 40 basis points is aligned with our guidance that base rate would be relatively flat in 2024. As a reminder, our base premium rate is impacted by several factors and tends to modestly fluctuate from quarter to quarter. We expect our base rate in 2025 to stabilize around current levels. Our net earned premium rate was 35.5 basis points, down 0.8 basis points sequentially driven by higher ceded premiums. Investment income in the fourth quarter was $63,000,000 up $2,000,000 or 3% sequentially and up $7,000,000 or 12% year over year. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:15:50Elevated interest rates have increased our investment portfolio yields and as our portfolio rolls over, we anticipate further yield improvement. During the quarter, our new money investment yield continued to exceed 5% contributing to an overall portfolio book yield of 4%. Our focus remains on high quality assets and maintaining a resilient A rated portfolio. As we have previously stated, we typically hold investments to maturity. However, we may selectively pursue income enhancement opportunities. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:16:24During the quarter, we identified assets that upon selling allow us to recoup losses through higher net investment income. However, we still view our investment portfolio's unrealized loss position as materially non economic. New delinquencies increased sequentially to 13,700 from 13,000 with an estimated 1,000 new delinquencies from 2024 hurricanes. Our new delinquency rate remained consistent with pre pandemic levels and for the quarter was 1.5% compared to 1.4% sequentially and 1.2% in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. We maintain our claim rate on new delinquencies at 9% for the fourth quarter, but recorded hurricane related delinquencies at a 2% claim rate, which is in line with our historical experience from prior storms. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:17:17Historically, hurricane related new delinquencies cured a very high rate as our MI policy excludes property damage and requires homes to be habitable before we pay a claim. Total delinquencies in the fourth quarter increased sequentially to $23,600 from $21,000 as news outpaced cures. The primary delinquency rate for the quarter was two point four percent compared to two point two percent sequentially and two point one percent in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Excluding the impact of hurricane related delinquencies, our new Dell grade would have been 1.4% and our primary delinquency rate would have been 2.3% in the current quarter reflecting continued strong credit performance. Losses in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four were $24,000,000 dollars and the loss ratio was 10% compared to $12,000,000 and 5% respectively in the third quarter of twenty twenty four and $24,000,000 and 10% respectively in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:18:27The current quarter reserve release of $56,000,000 from favorable pure performance and loss mitigation activities compares to a reserve release of $65,000,000 and $53,000,000 in the third quarter of twenty twenty four and fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, respectively. We remain focused on expense discipline through We remain focused on expense discipline throughout 2024. Full year 2024 expenses adjusted for approximately $5,000,000 of reorganization costs were $218,000,000 or 2% lower than 2023 due to prudent expense management. The reorganization costs represent approximately one percentage point of our reported 23% expense ratio for the full year 2024. Expenses in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four were $58,000,000 and the expense ratio was 24% compared to $56,000,000 and 22% respectively in the third quarter of twenty twenty four and $59,000,000 and 25% respectively in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:19:45For 2025, we anticipate a range of $220,000,000 to $225,000,000 as we continue to prudently manage our expense base while also investing in our growth initiatives and modernization driving future efficiencies in addition to the normal inflationary dynamics. We continue to operate from a strong our third our third party CRT program provides $1,900,000,000 of PMIERs capital credit. Our PMIERs sufficiency was 167% or $2,100,000,000 above PMIERs requirements at the end of the fourth quarter. During the quarter, we entered into two quota share reinsurance agreements, which feed approximately 27% of our 2025 and 2026 new insurance written to a broad panel of highly rated reinsurers. Additionally, subsequent to quarter end, we entered into two new excess of loss reinsurance agreements that provide an additional $225,000,000 and $260,000,000 of coverage on our 2025 and 2026 books respectively. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:21:06While the 2025 forward transactions follow our normal execution cadence, we assess the reinsurance market as attractive from a cost and capacity perspective and we opportunistically secured coverage on an additional forward year for 2026. We remain committed to the programmatic CRT program and agile in its execution as we continue to source cost effective capital and volatility protection for our robust balance sheet. Let me now turn to capital allocation. Today, we announced the first quarter twenty twenty five dividend of $0.185 per common share payable March 14. Additionally, we returned over $354,000,000 to shareholders in 2024 in the form of dividends and share repurchases. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:21:58During the quarter, we paid out $28,000,000 or $0.185 per share through our quarterly dividend and bought back 2,100,000.0 shares at a weighted average share price of $34.75 for a total of $74,000,000 For the full year 2024, we repurchased 7,600,000.0 shares at a weighted average share price of $31.95 for a total of $243,000,000 dollars In January, we repurchased an additional 600,000.0 shares at a weighted average share price of $32.6 for a total of $19,300,000 dollars As of 01/31/2025, there was approximately $74,000,000 remaining on our $250,000,000 share repurchase authorization. During 2025, we will continue to balance investing in growth opportunities across the business with our commitment to return capital to our shareholders and expect capital return to shareholders to be aligned with the $350,000,000 returned in 2024. Our preference remains to return capital to shareholders via our quarterly dividend and share repurchases. This can be seen by our announced quarterly dividend and January's share buyback activity. As in the past, the final amount in form of capital return to shareholders will ultimately depend on business performance, market conditions and regulatory approvals. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:23:32Overall, we are incredibly pleased with our performance throughout 2024 and the momentum we have in 2025 thus far. We will remain focused on prudently managing risk, maintaining a strong balance sheet and delivering solid returns for our shareholders. With that, let me turn the call back to Rohit. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:23:53Thanks, Dean. Looking ahead to 2025, we remain optimistic about the opportunities ahead. Our disciplined approach, strong financial position and strategic execution provide a solid foundation to navigate the evolving landscape. We are committed to helping people responsibly achieve the dream of homeownership and our dedication to this principle underpins all aspects of our business and rise our efforts to deliver exceptional value for all our stakeholders. Operator, we are now ready for Q and A. Operator00:24:28We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Bose George with KBW. Please go ahead. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:25:06Hey, everyone. Good morning. Actually, I wanted to ask first about dig into the capital return a little more. Your guidance of the $350,000,000 for this year suggests that your debt to capital will keep strengthening. It's already at a very, I would say, attractive level. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:25:23And if you're in a higher for longer market where growth rates remain very modest, I mean, could we see a greater level of capital return or would you let your capital just continue to strengthen and see what happens? Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:25:38Yes, Bose. Hey, it's Dean. Thanks for the question. Yes, our capital return guidance is similar to 2024 at $350,000,000 I think from a process perspective, we're going to follow kind of our past practice, which is to guide to the level of planned capital return at the beginning of the year and then continue to assess the factors that influence that amount really as the year progresses. I think we made reference to those in our prepared remarks, but generally focused on business performance performance rather, the macroeconomic environment, both the prevailing and perspective, and then the regulatory landscape. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:26:19So if those factors turn more positive, we'll certainly reconsider capital return guidance as we did in 2024 when we raised our guidance kind of mid year. But really as we stand here in February, we feel confident in the $350,000,000 and then as I said continue to assess from here. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:26:39Okay, great. Makes sense. Thanks. And then just switching over to the reinsurance business. At the moment, that's I guess all GSE CRT. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:26:49With the changes in D. C, has there been discussions about potentially that piece that ramping up some more to derisk the GSEs further? Just leaving aside any GSE reform or privatization issues? Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:27:02Yes. Good morning, Bose. Thank you for your question. So absolutely, there is potential for GSE CRT volume to pick up under different scenarios. Our experience in the last eighteen months have been positive since we established the entity, not only in terms of participating in the transaction, but also starting off with one rating and then getting S and P A minus rating in 2024. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:27:25As we move forward, if the market gets bigger, either because GSE is actually start ceding more risk or there is some kind of de risking initiative from the regulator or broadly from the administration that would be a net positive and will allow us to deploy capital in an area where we find risk adjusted returns attractive. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:27:49The next question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. Please go ahead. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:27:56Thanks. You guys have talked about kind of the impact of seasoning of some of the larger books on credit quality. Can you just talk about as we look forward to 2025 the impacts that seasoning should have on delinquencies and possibly claim rates? Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:28:18Yes, sure, Doug. Thanks for the question. In terms of aging of the portfolio, the average age of our book increased about three point eight years seasoned. That's up from about three point six years last quarter. And that continues to progress closer to the plateau of a normal delinquency development curve that we talked about last quarter, somewhere in that range three to four years. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:28:44I think what that means is that we should see the increase in new delinquency development slow, begin to slow, especially as we think about that relative to last year's increase. Obviously, any assessment of delinquency development is subject to the macroeconomic environment. More recently, natural disasters and other credit related drivers. But I think if we hold those constant, we should see the aging impact start to slow on our portfolio. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:29:18I appreciate that Dean. And I guess as you look at the performance of kind of the 2023 vintage, how would you kind of characterize the performance of kind of that vintage versus kind of the prior years? Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:29:34And Doug, when you say vintage, are you talking accident year? Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:29:38Origination year. Origination year. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:29:42Okay, sorry. Yes, on origination year, very early, but I'd say good performance. We look for any signs of emerging deterioration and we haven't seen any we haven't seen the emergence of any of that across any of our risk attributes. So I'd say very early in the development, but signs are pointing well. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:30:06Yes. And I would just add to that. I agree with what Dean said. As we have said in the past, book years of 2022, '20 '20 '3, '20 '20 '4 have more purchase originations just given the rate environment and as a result have different credit characteristics. So think about higher loan to value, slightly lower FICO, which is just normal for purchase originations. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:30:28So with that, those books are going to trend differently than 2020 and 2021 vintages in addition to also embedded home price appreciation in the previous books. But to Dean's point, tracking in line with expectations. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:30:43Great. Appreciate the answers. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:30:46Thanks, Doug. Thank you. Operator00:30:49This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Rohit Gupta for any closing remarks. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:30:58Thank you, Megan. Thank you everyone for joining. We appreciate your interest in Enact and I look forward to seeing many of you in Florida at UBS's Financial Services Conference on February 10 and at Bank of America's Financials Conference on February 11. Thank you. Operator00:31:16The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to INAX Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Daniel Cole, Vice President of Investor Relations. You may begin. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:00:17Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to our fourth quarter earnings call. Joining me today are Rohit Gupta, President and Chief Executive Officer and Dean Mitchell, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Rohit will provide an overview of our business, performance and progress against our strategy. Dean will then discuss the details of our quarterly results before turning the call back to Rohit for closing remarks. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:00:42We will then take your questions. The earnings materials we issued after market closed yesterday contain our financial results for the quarter along with a comprehensive set of financial and operational metrics. These are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Today's call is being recorded and will include the use of forward looking statements. These statements are based on current assumptions, estimates, expectations and projections as of today's date. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:01:15Additionally, they are subject to risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to be materially different, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise such statements as a result of new information. For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review the cautionary language regarding forward looking statements in today's press release as well as in our filings with the SEC, which will be available on our website. Please keep in mind the earnings materials and management's prepared remarks today include certain non GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these measures to the most relevant GAAP metrics can be found in the press release, our earnings presentation and our upcoming SEC filing on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Rohit. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:02:08Thank you, Daniel. Good morning, everyone. Before we begin, I want to express our deepest sympathies to those affected by the devastation caused by the wildfires in the Los Angeles area and to acknowledge and thank all the firefighters and first responders for their bravery and tireless efforts in protecting the community. Our hearts go out to the entire community during this incredibly difficult time and we are committed to supporting recovery efforts. It is challenging to comprehend the events we are currently witnessing. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:02:40Following the devastation caused by Hurricane Helene, we have now faced yet another catastrophe where our employees and borrowers reside. Both communities will continue to receive our support as they work towards rebuilding. Turning back to our financial results, I want to take a moment to reflect on the incredible year we had in 2024. This year was marked by very strong performance as we executed on our strategic priorities amidst a complex economic backdrop. We continue to deliver value for our customers, drive operational efficiencies in our business, maintain a strong balance sheet and deliver strong capital returns to our shareholders. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:03:23For the full year, adjusted operating income was a new record high of $718,000,000 or $4.56 per diluted share, up 9% year over year and was driven by our strong credit performance. Additionally, adjusted return on equity was 15% and adjusted book value was $34.16 per share, up 12% year over year. Even in an environment with high rates and low housing affordability, we wrote $51,000,000,000 of new insurance written and ended the year with record insurance in force of $269,000,000,000 supporting approximately 140,000 families in achieving homeownership and putting them on a path of building wealth. These results combined with our strong balance sheet and our expense management discipline enabled us to pursue our capital allocation priority. During the year, we issued $750,000,000 in senior notes, our first investment grade debt issuance as a public company and the largest in the industry in over a decade, allowing us to further strengthen our financial position while also saving $2,000,000 in annual interest expense. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:04:37Additionally, in a year when the market continued to face inflationary pressures, we reduced our expenses by 2% excluding restructuring costs. While continuing to invest for future growth, we returned capital of $354,000,000 to shareholders, which was above the high end of our capital return guidance. During the year, our ratings were upgraded by S and P from BBB plus to A-. Additionally, in January 2025, Fitch upgraded our ratings from A- to A. These upgrades are another testament to our resilient business model, consistent delivery against our strategic priorities and the strength of our balance sheet. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:05:21I'm very proud of what our team accomplished this past year and thank our dedicated and talented employees who made it possible. Moving on to fourth quarter results, we reported adjusted operating income of $169,000,000 up 7% year over year. Adjusted earnings per share was $1.09 and adjusted return on equity was 13.5% during the quarter. The operating environment and The U. S. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:05:49Housing market specifically continue to be constructive overall. The long term demographic drivers of housing demand remain robust with low inventory continuing to support elevated home prices. The labor markets are demonstrating resilience with consistent wage growth surpassing the rate of inflation. Overall, our long term view of The U. S. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:06:11Economy and housing remains positive. In the near term, we continue to evaluate the current landscape and will adapt as necessary. Our credit and manufacturing quality continues to be strong resulting in high quality NIW and a portfolio with considerable embedded equity. At the end of the fourth quarter, approximately 70% of our insurance in force had mortgage rates below 6% and the credit quality of our insured portfolio remains strong. Additionally, the risk weighted average FICO score of the portfolio was 745, the risk weighted average loan to value ratio was 93% and layered risk was 1.3% of risk in force. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:06:56Pricing remained constructive in the quarter and we maintained our commitment to prudent underwriting standards. Our pricing engine allows us to deliver competitive pricing on a risk adjusted basis and we continue to underwrite and select risk prudently while generating attractive returns. As anticipated, new delinquencies increased by 6% reflecting the effects of recent hurricanes. Excluding the hurricane impact, new delinquencies rose by 1%, which is in line with historical seasonal trends. Our resilient consumer, strong embedded equity and our loss mitigation efforts continued to drive robust cure rates at 52% for the quarter. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:07:40This strong cure performance drove a reserve release of $56,000,000 during the quarter and our resulting loss ratio was 10%. We continue to see strong credit performance and remain well reserved for a range of scenarios. As I mentioned earlier, we maintained a disciplined approach to expense management while investing in technologies and processes that improve the customer experience and our business operations. During the quarter, our expenses were $58,000,000 a 2% decrease from the same period in 2023 despite an inflationary environment. Moving to our robust capital position, our PMIERs sufficiency was 167% or $2,100,000,000 above requirements. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:08:27During the quarter, we continued to execute against our CRT strategy entering into two quota share reinsurance agreements. Additionally, in January, we executed two forward excess of loss reinsurance transactions covering our 2025 and 2026 book years. We did these transactions at attractive cost of capital and favorable terms. We remain committed to prudent risk management and capital optimization, while also supporting our ability to serve our customers. Our capital position and cash flow have enabled us to effectively pursue our capital allocation priorities, which are to support existing policyholders by maintaining a strong balance sheet, invest in our business to drive organic growth and efficiencies, fund attractive new business opportunities to diversify our platform and return excess capital to shareholders. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:09:24In the past, we have spoken about our desire to extend our platform into compelling adjacencies that leverage our capabilities across mortgage, housing and credit. To that end, we are pleased with ANAC RE's continued performance. ANACRE has maintained strong underwriting standards while generating attractive risk adjusted returns. ANACRE continues to participate in GSE single and multifamily deals that we find attractive and we are excited to build upon this momentum. And AccReim remains a long term growth opportunity that has both capital and expense efficient. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:10:01Finally, in the fourth quarter, we again delivered on our commitment to return capital to our shareholders by returning over $102,000,000 through share buybacks and our quarterly dividend. Since our IPO, we have returned over $1,100,000,000 to shareholders. We also remain committed to our capital allocation priorities including returning capital to shareholders and expect to continue our share buyback and dividend programs while remaining flexible in our approach based on market conditions and subject to the approval of our Board of Directors. Shifting to the current policy environment, with every new administration, there is always discussion regarding new efforts on GSE report. As I have stated in the past, we have support for our franchise and products on both sides of the aisle and our industry puts private capital ahead of taxpayer dollars. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:10:57We look forward to working with the new administration to support people responsibly achieving the dream of homeownership. In closing, we are grateful to our dedicated teams for their relentless focus on executing against our strategic priority. Our strong 2024 results underscore the effectiveness of our approach and our commitment to creating long term value for our customers and shareholders. With that, I will now turn the call over to Dean. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:11:28Thanks, Rohit. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:11:29Good morning, everyone. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:11:31We delivered another set of very strong results in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. GAAP net income was $163,000,000 or $1.05 per diluted share compared to $0.98 per diluted share in the same period last year and $1.15 per diluted share in the third quarter of twenty twenty four. Return on equity was 13%. Adjusted operating income was $169,000,000 or $1.09 per diluted share compared to $0.98 per diluted share in the same period last year and $1.16 per diluted share in the third quarter of twenty twenty four. Adjusted operating return on equity was 13.5%. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:12:12For the full year, GAAP net income was $688,000,000 or $4.37 per diluted share as compared to $666,000,000 or $4.11 per diluted share in 2023. Adjusted operating income for 2024 totaled $718,000,000 or $4.56 per diluted share compared to $676,000,000 or $4.18 per diluted share in 2023. Turning to revenue drivers, primary insurance in force increased to $269,000,000,000 in the fourth quarter, up $1,000,000,000 sequentially and up $6,000,000,000 or 2% year over year. New insurance written was $13,000,000,000 down 2% sequentially, primarily driven by seasonality, partially offset by an estimated increase in refinance originations and up 27% year over year due primarily to higher originations and a resulting larger MI market size. Persistency was 82% in the fourth quarter, down one point sequentially and down four points year over year. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:13:27The decrease year over year was primarily driven by a decline in mortgage rates in September 2024. Our portfolio remains resilient to mortgage rate volatility with 8% of the mortgages in our portfolio having rates at least 50 basis points above December's average mortgage rate. Looking ahead, we anticipate that elevated persistency will continue to help offset the impact of higher mortgage rates. Total net premiums earned were $246,000,000 down $3,000,000 or 1% sequentially and up $6,000,000 or 2% year over year. The decrease sequentially was primarily driven by higher ceded premiums. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:14:09The increase year over year was primarily driven by premium growth from attractive adjacencies and primary insurance in fourth growth, partially offset by higher ceded premiums. Starting in 2023, we began to leverage quota share reinsurance structures, which are very efficient from a cost of capital perspective, but include ceded commissions, ceded losses and profit commissions in addition to ceded premiums. This quarter, new delinquencies from our covered 2023 and 2024 book years increased ceded losses and reduced profit commissions and in turn increased our ceded premiums. Despite this, the net cost of our quota share reinsurance remained flat for the quarter. As we recently announced two new quota share transactions, we expect quota share transactions to make up a larger part of our CRT program going forward. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:15:06Turning to primary premiums, our base premium rate of 40 basis points is aligned with our guidance that base rate would be relatively flat in 2024. As a reminder, our base premium rate is impacted by several factors and tends to modestly fluctuate from quarter to quarter. We expect our base rate in 2025 to stabilize around current levels. Our net earned premium rate was 35.5 basis points, down 0.8 basis points sequentially driven by higher ceded premiums. Investment income in the fourth quarter was $63,000,000 up $2,000,000 or 3% sequentially and up $7,000,000 or 12% year over year. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:15:50Elevated interest rates have increased our investment portfolio yields and as our portfolio rolls over, we anticipate further yield improvement. During the quarter, our new money investment yield continued to exceed 5% contributing to an overall portfolio book yield of 4%. Our focus remains on high quality assets and maintaining a resilient A rated portfolio. As we have previously stated, we typically hold investments to maturity. However, we may selectively pursue income enhancement opportunities. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:16:24During the quarter, we identified assets that upon selling allow us to recoup losses through higher net investment income. However, we still view our investment portfolio's unrealized loss position as materially non economic. New delinquencies increased sequentially to 13,700 from 13,000 with an estimated 1,000 new delinquencies from 2024 hurricanes. Our new delinquency rate remained consistent with pre pandemic levels and for the quarter was 1.5% compared to 1.4% sequentially and 1.2% in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. We maintain our claim rate on new delinquencies at 9% for the fourth quarter, but recorded hurricane related delinquencies at a 2% claim rate, which is in line with our historical experience from prior storms. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:17:17Historically, hurricane related new delinquencies cured a very high rate as our MI policy excludes property damage and requires homes to be habitable before we pay a claim. Total delinquencies in the fourth quarter increased sequentially to $23,600 from $21,000 as news outpaced cures. The primary delinquency rate for the quarter was two point four percent compared to two point two percent sequentially and two point one percent in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Excluding the impact of hurricane related delinquencies, our new Dell grade would have been 1.4% and our primary delinquency rate would have been 2.3% in the current quarter reflecting continued strong credit performance. Losses in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four were $24,000,000 dollars and the loss ratio was 10% compared to $12,000,000 and 5% respectively in the third quarter of twenty twenty four and $24,000,000 and 10% respectively in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:18:27The current quarter reserve release of $56,000,000 from favorable pure performance and loss mitigation activities compares to a reserve release of $65,000,000 and $53,000,000 in the third quarter of twenty twenty four and fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, respectively. We remain focused on expense discipline through We remain focused on expense discipline throughout 2024. Full year 2024 expenses adjusted for approximately $5,000,000 of reorganization costs were $218,000,000 or 2% lower than 2023 due to prudent expense management. The reorganization costs represent approximately one percentage point of our reported 23% expense ratio for the full year 2024. Expenses in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four were $58,000,000 and the expense ratio was 24% compared to $56,000,000 and 22% respectively in the third quarter of twenty twenty four and $59,000,000 and 25% respectively in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:19:45For 2025, we anticipate a range of $220,000,000 to $225,000,000 as we continue to prudently manage our expense base while also investing in our growth initiatives and modernization driving future efficiencies in addition to the normal inflationary dynamics. We continue to operate from a strong our third our third party CRT program provides $1,900,000,000 of PMIERs capital credit. Our PMIERs sufficiency was 167% or $2,100,000,000 above PMIERs requirements at the end of the fourth quarter. During the quarter, we entered into two quota share reinsurance agreements, which feed approximately 27% of our 2025 and 2026 new insurance written to a broad panel of highly rated reinsurers. Additionally, subsequent to quarter end, we entered into two new excess of loss reinsurance agreements that provide an additional $225,000,000 and $260,000,000 of coverage on our 2025 and 2026 books respectively. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:21:06While the 2025 forward transactions follow our normal execution cadence, we assess the reinsurance market as attractive from a cost and capacity perspective and we opportunistically secured coverage on an additional forward year for 2026. We remain committed to the programmatic CRT program and agile in its execution as we continue to source cost effective capital and volatility protection for our robust balance sheet. Let me now turn to capital allocation. Today, we announced the first quarter twenty twenty five dividend of $0.185 per common share payable March 14. Additionally, we returned over $354,000,000 to shareholders in 2024 in the form of dividends and share repurchases. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:21:58During the quarter, we paid out $28,000,000 or $0.185 per share through our quarterly dividend and bought back 2,100,000.0 shares at a weighted average share price of $34.75 for a total of $74,000,000 For the full year 2024, we repurchased 7,600,000.0 shares at a weighted average share price of $31.95 for a total of $243,000,000 dollars In January, we repurchased an additional 600,000.0 shares at a weighted average share price of $32.6 for a total of $19,300,000 dollars As of 01/31/2025, there was approximately $74,000,000 remaining on our $250,000,000 share repurchase authorization. During 2025, we will continue to balance investing in growth opportunities across the business with our commitment to return capital to our shareholders and expect capital return to shareholders to be aligned with the $350,000,000 returned in 2024. Our preference remains to return capital to shareholders via our quarterly dividend and share repurchases. This can be seen by our announced quarterly dividend and January's share buyback activity. As in the past, the final amount in form of capital return to shareholders will ultimately depend on business performance, market conditions and regulatory approvals. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:23:32Overall, we are incredibly pleased with our performance throughout 2024 and the momentum we have in 2025 thus far. We will remain focused on prudently managing risk, maintaining a strong balance sheet and delivering solid returns for our shareholders. With that, let me turn the call back to Rohit. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:23:53Thanks, Dean. Looking ahead to 2025, we remain optimistic about the opportunities ahead. Our disciplined approach, strong financial position and strategic execution provide a solid foundation to navigate the evolving landscape. We are committed to helping people responsibly achieve the dream of homeownership and our dedication to this principle underpins all aspects of our business and rise our efforts to deliver exceptional value for all our stakeholders. Operator, we are now ready for Q and A. Operator00:24:28We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Bose George with KBW. Please go ahead. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:25:06Hey, everyone. Good morning. Actually, I wanted to ask first about dig into the capital return a little more. Your guidance of the $350,000,000 for this year suggests that your debt to capital will keep strengthening. It's already at a very, I would say, attractive level. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:25:23And if you're in a higher for longer market where growth rates remain very modest, I mean, could we see a greater level of capital return or would you let your capital just continue to strengthen and see what happens? Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:25:38Yes, Bose. Hey, it's Dean. Thanks for the question. Yes, our capital return guidance is similar to 2024 at $350,000,000 I think from a process perspective, we're going to follow kind of our past practice, which is to guide to the level of planned capital return at the beginning of the year and then continue to assess the factors that influence that amount really as the year progresses. I think we made reference to those in our prepared remarks, but generally focused on business performance performance rather, the macroeconomic environment, both the prevailing and perspective, and then the regulatory landscape. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:26:19So if those factors turn more positive, we'll certainly reconsider capital return guidance as we did in 2024 when we raised our guidance kind of mid year. But really as we stand here in February, we feel confident in the $350,000,000 and then as I said continue to assess from here. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:26:39Okay, great. Makes sense. Thanks. And then just switching over to the reinsurance business. At the moment, that's I guess all GSE CRT. Bose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:26:49With the changes in D. C, has there been discussions about potentially that piece that ramping up some more to derisk the GSEs further? Just leaving aside any GSE reform or privatization issues? Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:27:02Yes. Good morning, Bose. Thank you for your question. So absolutely, there is potential for GSE CRT volume to pick up under different scenarios. Our experience in the last eighteen months have been positive since we established the entity, not only in terms of participating in the transaction, but also starting off with one rating and then getting S and P A minus rating in 2024. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:27:25As we move forward, if the market gets bigger, either because GSE is actually start ceding more risk or there is some kind of de risking initiative from the regulator or broadly from the administration that would be a net positive and will allow us to deploy capital in an area where we find risk adjusted returns attractive. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:27:49The next question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. Please go ahead. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:27:56Thanks. You guys have talked about kind of the impact of seasoning of some of the larger books on credit quality. Can you just talk about as we look forward to 2025 the impacts that seasoning should have on delinquencies and possibly claim rates? Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:28:18Yes, sure, Doug. Thanks for the question. In terms of aging of the portfolio, the average age of our book increased about three point eight years seasoned. That's up from about three point six years last quarter. And that continues to progress closer to the plateau of a normal delinquency development curve that we talked about last quarter, somewhere in that range three to four years. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:28:44I think what that means is that we should see the increase in new delinquency development slow, begin to slow, especially as we think about that relative to last year's increase. Obviously, any assessment of delinquency development is subject to the macroeconomic environment. More recently, natural disasters and other credit related drivers. But I think if we hold those constant, we should see the aging impact start to slow on our portfolio. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:29:18I appreciate that Dean. And I guess as you look at the performance of kind of the 2023 vintage, how would you kind of characterize the performance of kind of that vintage versus kind of the prior years? Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:29:34And Doug, when you say vintage, are you talking accident year? Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:29:38Origination year. Origination year. Dean MitchellChief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Enact00:29:42Okay, sorry. Yes, on origination year, very early, but I'd say good performance. We look for any signs of emerging deterioration and we haven't seen any we haven't seen the emergence of any of that across any of our risk attributes. So I'd say very early in the development, but signs are pointing well. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:30:06Yes. And I would just add to that. I agree with what Dean said. As we have said in the past, book years of 2022, '20 '20 '3, '20 '20 '4 have more purchase originations just given the rate environment and as a result have different credit characteristics. So think about higher loan to value, slightly lower FICO, which is just normal for purchase originations. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:30:28So with that, those books are going to trend differently than 2020 and 2021 vintages in addition to also embedded home price appreciation in the previous books. But to Dean's point, tracking in line with expectations. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:30:43Great. Appreciate the answers. Daniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & Finance at Enact00:30:46Thanks, Doug. Thank you. Operator00:30:49This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Rohit Gupta for any closing remarks. Rohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive Officer at Enact00:30:58Thank you, Megan. Thank you everyone for joining. We appreciate your interest in Enact and I look forward to seeing many of you in Florida at UBS's Financial Services Conference on February 10 and at Bank of America's Financials Conference on February 11. Thank you. Operator00:31:16The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDaniel KohlVP - Investor Relations & FinanceRohit GuptaPresident and Chief Executive OfficerDean MitchellChief Financial Officer and TreasurerAnalystsBose GeorgeManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS GroupPowered by