Pentair Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 4, 2025

There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Pentair 4th Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please Please also note today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Shelly Hubbard, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Jamie, and welcome to Pentair's 4th quarter 2024 earnings conference call. On the call with me are John Stauch, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Bob Fishman, our Chief Financial Officer. On today's call, we will provide details on our Q4 and full year performance as outlined in this morning's press release. On the Pantera Investor Relations website, you can find our earnings release and slide deck, which is intended to supplement our prepared remarks during today's call and provide a reconciliation of differences between GAAP and non GAAP financial measures that we will reference. The non GAAP financial measures provided should not be considered as a substitute for or superior to the measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP.

Speaker 1

They are included as additional clarifying items to aid investors in further understanding the company's performance, in addition to the impact these items and events have on the financial results. Before we begin, let me remind you that during our presentation today, we will make forward looking statements, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future events. Listeners are cautioned that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond the control of Pentair. These risks and uncertainties can cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We advise listeners to carefully review the risk factors in our most recent Form 10 Q and Form 10 ks.

Speaker 1

Please note that during today's presentation, we will be making references to record financial results. These references reflect the time period post the nVent separation in 2018. Following our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. Please limit your questions to 2 and reenter the queue if needed to allow everyone an opportunity to participate. As a reminder, you can reference our 2024 Investor Day presentation on our IR website.

Speaker 1

Please visit our Pentair Investor Relations website and click on Events and Presentations to find these materials. I will now turn the call over to John.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Shelly, and good morning, everyone. It has been a crazy last 96 hours, and we are excited to finally share our 2024 results and 2025 guidance with you. Our guidance as shared today includes the recently announced China tariffs, and we believe we have captured the risk of the potential Canada and Mexico tariffs within our 2025 EPS guidance range. Bob will provide more detailed information within his remarks regarding this dynamic situation. 2024 is another transformative year for Pantera, and we are very pleased with the strong performance of our balanced water portfolio.

Speaker 2

We were excited to share our vision in March at our Investor Day and we exceeded our financial goals driven by transformation and executing our strategy as evidenced by record profitability and cash flow in 2024. We continue to demonstrate resilience across our Move, Improve and Enjoy Water segments as we diversified and mitigated risk amidst the dynamic macroeconomic and geopolitical environment. Within Flow, we continue to grow our commercial business and launch cutting edge innovation with our eccentric impeller, while evolving our go to market strategy in industrial solutions to drive profitability. In Water Solutions, our commercial filtration business posted strong sales and we launched our 1st commercial PFAS certified filtration product, which continued to gain momentum. And in pool, the aftermarket drove strong sales growth despite weakness in new and remodeled pools, which were impacted by higher interest rates.

Speaker 2

We also focused on new product development with new launches planned for 2025. Overall, we finished 2024 in a stronger financial and operational position than we started the year. I'm very proud of our entire team at Pentair who continue to deliver for our customers while creating value for our shareholders. Let's turn to the Q4 executive summary on Slide 4. We posted record Q4 adjusted operating income and ROS marking the 11th consecutive quarter of year over year ROS expansion.

Speaker 2

We also delivered triple digit margin expansion across our Flow, Water Solutions and Pool segments, which led to record ROS for all three segments driven by our transformation initiatives. In the 4th quarter, sales were down 1%, but better than expected from the beginning of the quarter even with FX headwinds. Adjusted operating income increased 17% to a Q4 record of $231,000,000 ROS expanded by 370 basis points to a 4th quarter record of 23.8 percent and adjusted EPS was $1.08 up 24%, another Q4 adjusted EPS record. Let's move to the full year executive summary on Slide 5. 2024 was another record year for adjusted operating income, ROS and adjusted EPS despite sales ending down 1%.

Speaker 2

Our team was very successful at mitigating top line risk amidst macroeconomic weakness globally. In full year 2024, we delivered sales of $4,100,000,000 record adjusted operating income of $959,000,000 up 12%, record ROS of 23.5 percent, expanding 2 70 basis points and record adjusted EPS of $4.33 up 15%. At our 2024 Investor Day, we disclosed our 3 year targets a goal of 24% ROS by 2026 year end. From solid execution across our Flow, Water Solutions and Pool segments, which drove triple digit margin expansion through transformation and early eightytwenty progress, we continue to drive operational efficiencies that exceeded our goals in 2024, especially record ROS of 23.5%, which nearly hit our target 2 years early. We are now increasing our 20 26 ROS target to 26%.

Speaker 2

Bob will provide more details in a moment on why we have increased our confidence in achieving a higher ROS target by 2026. In 2024, we generated record free cash flow of $693,000,000 and increased our dividend by approximately 9% with 2025 marking the 49th consecutive year of dividend increases, further solidifying our status as dividend aristocrats. Lastly, we are introducing 2025 adjusted EPS guidance of $4.65 to $4.80 up 9% at the midpoint. We expect that transformation in eightytwenty can deliver our targeted margin expansion in 2025 and beyond. Let's turn to Slide 6.

Speaker 2

Over the last 5 years, we have increased sales by over 6.5% compounded annually, while expanding margins 600 basis points. Nearly 500 of the 600 basis points were delivered in the last 2 years. All three of our segments have produced strong sales growth and significant margin expansion since 2019. We continue to expect great opportunity ahead to drive long term sales growth across flow, water solutions and pool through organic growth and potential tuck in or bolt on acquisitions. Let's turn to Slide 7.

Speaker 2

We are helping the world sustainably move, improve and enjoy water, life's most essential resource, through our 3 segments, each with over $1,000,000,000 in sales in 2024 and together creating a balanced and resilient water portfolio. We are pleased with the ROS achievements of each segment. We believe transformation in eightytwenty will continue to drive higher profitability going forward. Let's turn to Slide 8. In 2024, our transformation program continued its momentum delivering over $100,000,000 in productivity savings net of investments.

Speaker 2

All 4 of our transformation pillars, which include pricing excellence, sourcing excellence, operational excellence and organizational effectiveness contributed to these productivity savings. As we continue to focus on reducing complexity, streamlining our operations and optimizing our organization for future growth, we expect to deliver $80,000,000 net of investments in productivity savings in 2025, driven by transformation and accelerated through eightytwenty. In early 2024, we began to implement eightytwenty across our 3 segments with staggered implementation plans. I'm happy to share that our segments have moved beyond the stages of analysis, assessment and are all developing action plans to implement these efforts into our operations. By year end, all segments have begun their Quad four exits while simultaneously improving our service and operations to better serve our Quad 1 customers.

Speaker 2

We expect these actions to drive core growth and profitability in 2025 and beyond while simplifying our business and operations. Let's turn to Slide 9. Before I hand the call over to Bob, I wanted to reiterate some key takeaways. 2024 demonstrated another year of record adjusting operating income, ROS and adjusted EPS, driven by transformation and continued execution across all segments. We drove record free cash flow and we took a balanced approach to capital deployment through organic growth investments, dividends, share repurchases and a small tuck in acquisition and pool.

Speaker 2

We expect eightytwenty to accelerate our transformation initiatives to drive focused, profitable growth in 2025

Speaker 3

and we

Speaker 2

are introducing full year 2025 guidance reflecting growth in adjusted EPS of approximately 9% at the midpoint. Lastly, we continue to believe that we are well positioned to address opportunities from favorable secular trends, which include concerns about access to clean and reliable water, increased awareness of human made contaminants impacting water quality, aging commercial, public and municipal infrastructure, interest in outdoor healthy living with people gathering at pools for exercise and fun and favorable housing migration to the Sunbelt states, which represents a large mix of our pool sales. I will now pass the call over to Bob, who will discuss our performance and financial results in more detail. Bob?

Speaker 4

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Let's start on Slide 10 titled Q4 2024 Pentair Performance. I will also be discussing our full year performance on Slide 11. We delivered another strong quarter of margin expansion and adjusted EPS growth despite sales being down slightly. These results were driven by pool sales growth and triple digit margin expansion across each of our Flow, Water Solutions and Pool segments.

Speaker 4

Sales for Q4 were down 1%, which was slightly better than we guided driven by higher than expected pool sales, which nearly offset an expected decline in flow and water solution sales. 4th quarter adjusted operating income increased 17% to $231,000,000 and return on sales expanded 3 70 basis points year over year to 23.8%. This improvement was driven primarily by our transformation initiatives. Adjusted EPS of $1.08 was up 24% versus the prior year. For the full year, sales were down 1% at $4,100,000,000 with core sales flat driven by growth in pool, which offset lower flow and water solution sales.

Speaker 4

Our residential businesses continued to be impacted by higher interest rates. Adjusted operating income grew 12% and return on sales expanded 270 basis points to a record 23.5 percent. All three segments significantly expanded margins and set new annual Ross records. Adjusted EPS increased to a record $4.33 up 15% versus the prior year. Please turn to Slide 12 labeled Q4 2024 Flow Performance.

Speaker 4

In addition to the 4th quarter performance for Flow, I will also be referencing the full year performance on Slide 13. In Q4, flow sales were down 5% to $361,000,000 Commercial sales were up 7%, reaching a new annual sales record. Residential sales were down due to higher interest rates and Industrial Solutions sales were impacted by delayed CapEx spend. At this time, we do expect certain delayed industrial projects to begin in 2025. Reportable segment income was up 13% and return on sales increased 320 basis points to 20.4% driven by transformation.

Speaker 4

For the year, flow sales decreased 4% to $1,500,000,000 as a decline in residential and industrial solutions sales more than offset an increase of 5% in commercial. Residential sales decline in flow remained consistent each quarter in 2024, which we believe suggest stabilization within end markets impacted by higher interest rates. Full year reportable segment income grew 13% and return on sales increased 3 20 basis points to 21%, a record margin for Flow driven by transformation. Please turn to Slide 14, labeled Q4 2024 Water Solutions Performance. In addition to the 4th quarter performance for Water Solutions, I will also be referencing the full year performance on Slide 15.

Speaker 4

In Q4, water solutions sales decreased 4% to $258,000,000 Commercial sales were down 5%, reflecting a decline in commercial ice, which more than offset sales growth in commercial filtration. Manitowoc ice performed as expected with sales down mid single digits in 2024 following 2 consecutive years of 20% growth each. Reportable segment income grew 21% to $62,000,000 and return on sales expanded 500 basis points to 24.1 percent, a new quarterly record, driven primarily by productivity from our transformation initiatives. For the year, Water Solutions sales decreased 4%, reportable segment income grew 3% and return on sales increased 160 basis points to 22.6%, a new full year record. Please turn to Slide 16, labeled Q4 2024 Pool Performance.

Speaker 4

In addition to the Q4 performance for pool, I'll also be referencing the full year performance on Slide 17. In Q4, pool sales grew 5% to $354,000,000 driven by both price and volume. Reportable segment income increased 14% and return on sales increased 2 50 basis points to 33.8%. Demand increased more than expected, partially driven by the impact from the Florida hurricanes in late September early October. For the year, pool sales grew 7%, driven by price and volume.

Speaker 4

Reportable segment income increased 14% and return on sales increased 220 basis points to 33.2%, a new annual record driven by growth and transformation. Please turn to Slide 18, label transformation initiatives and eightytwenty. At our 2024 Investor Day, we provided a RAS target of 24% by full year 2026, while providing a path to 26%. I'm excited to say that we are now increasing our target to 26% by full year 'twenty six year end, even though we do expect slightly lower sales by 2026 than we outlined at Investor Day due to continued higher interest rates and a deferred residential recovery. We are pleased that we expect to be able to protect our profitability as outlined at our 2024 Investor Day, even with macroeconomic uncertainty.

Speaker 4

If interest rates in residential markets improve, we expect to further benefit from our transformation initiatives at these higher productivity levels across all three segments. Over the last two years, we have driven nearly $175,000,000 in productivity savings, which has led to our confidence in our 26% ROSS target by 2026. We expect full year 2025 ROS to be approximately 24.5% to 25%. I'll provide more detail on our full year 2025 guidance in a moment. Please turn to Slide 19, labeled balance sheet and cash flow.

Speaker 4

We closed 2024 in a very strong financial position with strong free cash flow and cash flow margin, a load leverage ratio and a higher return on invested capital. In 2024, our free cash flow was $693,000,000 up nearly 26% year over year. Our cash flow margin was 17%, which reflects a capital light model. Our net debt leverage ratio was 1.5 times, down from 2 times at 2023 year end. Our ROIC was 15.5%, up from 14.3% in 2023.

Speaker 4

With a focus on being good stewards of capital, we continue to target high teens ROIC longer term. In 2024, we repurchased 1,600,000 shares for a total of $150,000,000 We have $450,000,000 available under the current authorization. We also increased our dividend approximately 9% for 2025. This marks the 49th consecutive year of a dividend increase and reaffirms our dividend aristocrat status. As we begin 2025, we are committed to maintaining our disciplined capital allocation strategy.

Speaker 4

We believe our strong free cash flow allows us ample opportunity and flexibility to invest in organic growth, make tuck in or bolt on acquisitions, repurchase shares and pay a dividend. We plan for these actions to be guided by our high teens ROIC target. Moving to Slide 20, titled Q1 and Full Year 2025 Pentair Outlook and Expectations. We also provide more detailed guidance on Slide 21. For the full year, we are introducing our adjusted EPS guidance range of approximately $4.65 to $4.80 which represents a year over year increase of 7% to 11%.

Speaker 4

We expect total Pentair sales in fiscal 2025 to be approximately flat to up 2%, including FX headwinds. We expect flow sales to be up slightly. Water Solutions sales are expected to be down approximately low single digits to flat. And pool sales are expected to increase approximately 4% to 5% in full year 2025. We expect total Pentair adjusted operating income to increase approximately 6% to 9% with RAS expansion of roughly 125 basis points at the midpoint to approximately 24.5% to 25%.

Speaker 4

Also for the full year, we expect corporate expense of approximately $85,000,000 net interest expense of roughly $80,000,000 with a weighted average interest rate of slightly over 5% and adjusted tax rate of approximately 17%, up slightly from 16.5% in 2024 and a share count of approximately 166,500,000. For the Q1, we expect sales to be down approximately 3% to 4% to between $975,000,000 to $985,000,000 We expect pool sales to grow approximately 3% to 4%, water solution sales to be down approximately high single digits and flow sales to be down approximately mid single digits. As a reminder, in Q1 2024, Water Solutions was shipping ICE backlog and current orders. By Q2 2024, Water Solutions had entered a more normalized operating environment. In flow, higher interest rates, FX and delayed CapEx are expected to impact sales in Q1 2025 for residential and industrial solutions.

Speaker 4

Eightytwenty actions are expected to impact both water solutions and flow in Q1. These eightytwenty actions are expected to improve profitability as the year progresses. We expect quarterly sales to increase year over year beginning in Q2 with the growth rate improving in Q3 and Q4. We also expect normal seasonality in sales in 2025, whereby Q2 is typically our highest sales quarter followed by Q3 and then Q4. We expect 1st quarter adjusted operating income to be up 3% to 5% due to lower sales and higher ROSS.

Speaker 4

We expect strong ROSS expansion in Q1 for total Pentair, including ROSS expansion in each of our 3 segments. Similar to sales, we expect Ross to follow a normal seasonality pattern with the highest rate in Q2 followed by Q3 then Q4. We're also introducing adjusted EPS guidance for the Q1 of approximately $1 to $1.02 an increase of approximately 6% to 9%. In the first half of twenty twenty five, we expect adjusted EPS to be slightly less than 50% of our full year adjusted EPS guide, roughly in line with our historical norm. Q1 is expected to be the lowest quarter for sales, adjusted operating income, RAS and adjusted EPS as compared to the remaining 3 quarters in full year 2025.

Speaker 4

We are targeting strong free cash flow in 2025 of 100 percent of net income. As a reminder, Q1 is a cash use quarter in any given year, while Q2 is typically our highest cash generation quarter. At this time, our 2025 adjusted EPS guidance range for the full year includes what we know today concerning tariffs, including a 10% tariff on roughly $200,000,000 of product sourced from China. We have approximately $300,000,000 of product manufactured and purchased from Mexico. We believe we have captured the impact of a 25% tariff in Mexico within our adjusted EPS guidance range for 2025.

Speaker 4

We have no significant spend in Canada. We have been effective in the past with the use of pricing to offset higher costs since approximately 75% of our revenue goes through 2 step distribution. We have continued to accelerate transformation funnels, implement eightytwenty and remain focused on investing in the long term growth of our company. Moving to Slide 21, we have provided additional detail for our guidance. On the left hand side of the chart, you can see the sales walk.

Speaker 4

We expect total Pentair sales in fiscal 2025 to be up approximately 1% at the midpoint. We expect volume to be up slightly, price to read out between 1.5% 2% and FX to be a 1 point headwind. We expect flow sales to be up slightly, reflecting approximately low single digit growth in commercial, down low single digits in Industrial Solutions and approximately flat in residential. Water Solutions sales are expected to be essentially flat. Commercial sales in full year 2025 are expected to be up low single digits and residential to be down lowtomidsingle digits.

Speaker 4

Pool sales are expected to increase approximately 4% to 5% in full year 2025. We expect new and remodeled pools and the aftermarket to each be up low single digits and we expect our recently completed December acquisition to contribute approximately 2% sales growth. As a reminder, new and remodeled pools represent about 40% of sales and aftermarket is about 60%. Our sales guidance reflects continued macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainty and cautious optimism of residential end market recovery in the second half of twenty twenty five. On the right hand side of the chart, you can see the walk on adjusted operating income.

Speaker 4

We expect adjusted operating income to increase approximately 8% at the midpoint and RAS to be approximately 24.5% to 25%, up 125 basis points year over year at the midpoint. The volume price acquisitions column is primarily price, which is expected to offset inflation. We expect transformation in eightytwenty to drive approximately $80,000,000 of productivity savings, which is the main Ross expansion driver. We are very pleased with our strong performance and finish in 2024. Our transformation program exceeded our expectations and is expected to continue to drive momentum into 2025.

Speaker 4

We have built a strong foundation and believe we can continue to drive long term growth, profitability and shareholder value. I'd now like to turn the call over to the operator for Q and A, after which John will have a few closing remarks. Jamie, please open the line for questions. Thank you.

Speaker 5

We will

Operator

now begin the question and answer session. And our first question today comes from Brett Linzey from Mizuho. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning and congrats on a great quarter. Good morning. Thank you. Yes. What is the to square some of the moving pieces on the legacy transformation program versus the new eightytwenty, I guess of the incremental $80,000,000 how's that split between the two savings buckets?

Speaker 6

And then if you could just help frame the cumulative value savings you think for the Eightytwenty program over a multiyear period?

Speaker 2

Yes. So first of all, Eightytwenty, we're excited to have it launched in all of our businesses and we've gone through the analysis. And as you know, it puts you your revenue in quadrants and you do that both by part and by customer. So we were we're just going to keep the benefits of transformation in the productivity column regardless if it's eightytwenty or transformation. What eightytwenty does do though, Brett, is it helps us focus the business.

Speaker 2

And so it identifies what we really want to grow and where we don't want to spend our time growing, which has benefits to all 4 of the pillars under transformation. So we would expect over time that this is another additive to our transformation expectations, but it's going to be captured in that productivity column as we go forward.

Speaker 6

Okay. Got it. And then I guess just shifting over to price, obviously, a lot of moving pieces with tariffs. Appreciate the bottoms up view for the segments. I guess, how are you thinking about price as a contributor in those segments?

Speaker 6

And then maybe if you could parse out what's normal course of business price versus tariff related pricing to offset the stated tariffs that you're embedding in the guide?

Speaker 4

Yes. Thank you for the question. So we've guided to 1.5% to 2% price. Think about that as being pretty consistent across the segments. We did mention that tariffs are included in our adjusted EPS guidance.

Speaker 4

Think about the fact that we can use price to offset any additional tariff costs. So price for us would be additive to that 1.5% to 2% guidance. And you would expect revenue to float higher if tariffs do happen.

Speaker 2

We do have $20,000,000 of price captured in the 1.5% to 2%, which is the 10% on the China tariffs, but we don't have anything related to Mexico and Canada yet in the price line.

Speaker 6

All right. Got it. Thanks. Best of luck.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Julian Mitchell from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning. Maybe just, first off, wanted to try and understand the seasonality a little bit and what's being assumed there. So I think that the Q1 is a little bit lighter share of the year than normal because of currency and perhaps a tough start in commercial in water. Maybe help us kind of understand how you're thinking about the first half as a share of the year in terms of earnings? And when we're thinking about the phasing of the tariff headwinds, when are you assuming that comes into the company and starts affecting sales and earnings?

Speaker 2

Yes. So I mean, we as you remember last year, we had anticipated that we would see and the industry anticipated that they would see some type of recovery in residential channels. So what happened was we saw a little bit of a loading in the distribution channels in anticipation of the residential recovery, which did not materialize. So we have our last quarter of headwinds in Q1, which is why you see that as a little bit more challenge. In addition, we had one program in ICE, China that rolled off and that was its last quarter contribution.

Speaker 2

Outside of that, sequentially moving from Q4 to Q1, we're generally seeing things the same. So we see Q2 is the recovery back to easier comparisons, as we move through the year. And as far as your questions on tariffs, we'll see some minimal impact in Q1, but the majority of it will roll out pretty consistently between Q2, Q3 and Q4.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. Thank you. And then just maybe following up on the pool market outlook. Maybe help us understand kind of where inventories as you see it among your distributors right now, How much kind of early buy occurred in Q4 versus normal? And what's the assessment on the sort of new build market health this year?

Speaker 4

Yes. I would say that, we're staying cautious even though you've got new pool builds in 2024, really at historical lows. We're trying not to get ahead of ourselves. So our view is for new pools and remodels up low single digits, aftermarket up low single digits and then we have the benefit of the December acquisition. Our view is that early buy was at historical levels as well as the inventory, that sits within the distributors and dealers also had historical levels.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Tusa from JPMorgan. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning. Hey, Steve. Hi, Steve.

Speaker 3

Hey, interesting 96 hours. It's been an interesting 4 to 5 years, I think. Don't you would agree with that?

Speaker 2

There's something, right, Steve?

Speaker 3

Every day, there's something. Yes. So just trying to like really squint at the bridge on 21, Slide 21. Where are the tariffs embedded there? I guess it's like $95,000,000 Is that kind of the simple math on the tariffs?

Speaker 3

That's kind of the done math, I guess. But is that embedded in inflation?

Speaker 2

No. So right now, we would have roughly, as Bob said, we have roughly $200,000,000 of China that would have $20,000,000 more of inflation in it. And then you would expect that $20,000,000 to be in price, as a general view. If we were to see the Mexico and Canada, it's primarily all Mexico for us, you would see additive price and you'd see additive inflation, Steve.

Speaker 3

Okay. So you're not

Speaker 2

I got you. Source and purchase products and depending on where that lands, you can do the math and that's how we're thinking about it.

Speaker 3

I got it. So you're not embedding the Mexico yet. You're embedding the China. That's an inflation and then you're offsetting that with price and that would be your lever if Mexico comes around?

Speaker 4

Exactly. That's right. But our view is we've got the EPS protected because again we would offset the tariff costs with the price.

Speaker 3

With the price, right. And I guess just backing up to the bridges here and the rate of inflation that you're seeing, how do you tease out that like rate of inflation versus what you're getting into the numbers from sourcing. It just seems like the inflation where are you seeing the most inflation? It just seems a bit high relative to our expectations at least. And how are you kind of like teasing that out?

Speaker 2

Yes. So we were seeing moderating inflation clearly. I think what we're anticipating is that we're going to get that little bit of China tariff. But as you know, Steve, most people reflect and raise their commodity prices equal to what happened from those source products. So you're going to see a little bit of an uptick in inflation across the board as people try to take advantage of getting a little bit more price.

Speaker 2

So freight was the other area that we were seeing a little bit of uptick in. Outside of that, we were seeing moderating to slightly declining inflation as we're moving through the business model in Q4.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Blair from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 8

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Hey, how are you?

Speaker 8

I'm well. Thanks. I just want to follow-up on transformation for a bit. If we look at the segment income and RAS walk you provided at Investor Day, is there any meaningful shift in segment contribution through 2026 now that you officially revised the medium term ROSS target to the 26% level?

Speaker 4

We continue to believe that each of the segments will participate within the ROSS expansion story. If you think about we laid out a path to the 26% by 2026 at Analyst Day. And we just delivered $107,000,000 We're guiding to $80,000,000 So that puts us at, call it, dollars 187,000,000 190,000 dollars So again, to get to that $260,000,000 take another $70,000,000 of transformation. Obviously, we'll build funnels that are higher than that. That will help us mitigate any risk that we might have or provide upside.

Speaker 4

But we are on a very good path to continue a sustainable journey on transformation.

Speaker 2

And I would add that part of the confidence is the introduction of eightytwenty allows us to focus and identify and see more opportunities. But also just as a reminder, we're doing this without the benefit of growth. And transformation will show up as a form of scale across our existing factories and overhead costs when we do get that contribution for revenue. And we believe it's out there. We just don't know when it's going to come and we need some help on interest rates and some efforts in the residential housing side.

Speaker 2

So that's our encouragement. And I think as we continue to move along, we feel good that the programs that we've introduced have created structural changes and we believe we're going to benefit from those when the growth comes forward.

Speaker 8

Certainly see it in the numbers. Maybe offer some color on G and F. I know those are a smaller deal, but speak to the asset strategic fit, how it enhances your pool offering and then how we should think about growth rates, ROSS contribution, any accretion?

Speaker 2

Yes. We're really excited. It's an example of taking a look across a product line and understanding where you might have opportunities. And while we're really strong in heater positions in most of the markets in Florida and in some of the South, heat pumps which are more, electric based are the preferred option. And it wasn't to strengthen our product line.

Speaker 2

And so we had the opportunity to add and solidify some really important positions in Florida. And that's what Gulfstream represents. And it's an example of a really nice tuck in acquisition that really fits nicely with our strategy business model and financial expectations.

Speaker 4

Yes. Just roughly from a numbers perspective, we closed that acquisition at the beginning of December. We expect in 2025, roughly $35,000,000 would come from that acquisition of top line revenue with about $5,000,000 included in 2024 in that 1 month of December. So what we're expecting, a net benefit of the $30,000,000 and that's the two points of growth that Pool would see. It's roughly a 30% RAS business and we bought it at about 10 times EBITDA.

Speaker 4

So really nice bolt on acquisition for us expanding again our portfolio within the heater area.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 2

Good morning Jeff.

Speaker 9

Just on margin expansion, I think you're calling for 125 basis points all in. Any kind of way to think about how the segments play out, either order of magnitude or are they all kind of equal contributors?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think, equal will I think pool has done a really nice job driving value and we're continuing to invest in growth in pool, both trying to drive automation and new products. So think about pool being closer to 100 basis points and the other 2 being equal in their contribution roughly to the difference, Jeff.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. And then Water Solutions, I just want to unpack what you're seeing in resi because we're seeing kind of 2 down years. You're expecting another down year. Is it just rates or is there something else going on there? And then just on the commercial side, it seems like you're through after 1Q, you'll be through the backlog drawdown in ICE.

Speaker 9

But just what are you seeing in that commercial foodservice space from a fundamental standpoint?

Speaker 2

Yes. So I'll answer the residential one first. I mean, as you can imagine, our favorite types of housing for residential filtration and even flow are rural homes that have a well and most all wells have water softening and then filtration. When you get into the urban environments, water is generally acceptable to the people who drink it and therefore you don't see the same level of filtration penetration. So the interest rates have really hurt that urban sprawl and the farther out builds and that's where I think the residential business has been hit harder.

Speaker 2

The second element is, a lot of water softeners are financed and the consumer financing challenges have led to lower demand in that particular space. What we've been also doing is spending eightytwenty to think through the product portfolio and be very thoughtful about where we want to play long term. And so you're seeing some head some top line headwind in lieu of getting more margin expansion so we can operationalize our footprint a little bit better, Jeff. As far as the commercial, North American ice performed just slightly down for the year last year. Most of the year over year challenges in the commercial was related to, as I mentioned, China.

Speaker 2

And that was a large local coffee rollout that happened in 2023. That was pretty lumpy to the year over year effect of how we compared against that in 2024.

Speaker 10

But when you take a

Speaker 2

look at the North American ice market, it actually outperformed our expectations last year. And we just had that headwind related to China.

Speaker 9

And you see more of that continuing?

Speaker 2

We have one more quarter of challenged year over year, which is Q1, which is the last quarter for that. And then we'd expect to get to more of that mid single digits normal growth rate that ICE has generally benefited from.

Operator

Your next question comes from Nigel Coe from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 11

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Good morning. So another chat question. So I mean this is a nerdy question, but do you price it through a regular price increase and therefore you have to give customers the customer notice or would it be a surcharge which might be more immediate?

Speaker 11

So just wondering on that. And then thinking about the exposure across the three businesses, I think we would have seen that the pool business has more Mexico and China exposure. Just maybe any color there would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. So first of all, we have in normal conditions 30 to 60 day notice periods across most of our dealer distributor relationships. Obviously, when these types of events happen, we skew them more closer to the 30 day window for most of our largest customers. So that gives you a level. Usually, we have enough inventory in hand to mitigate any timing impact there.

Speaker 2

As far as exposure, I mean, interestingly, our Water Solutions business is that would be the most exposed to Mexico given the fact that most of all the residential products are made in Mexico. And then we have our North American ice manufacturing in Mexico. And so those would be the so they will have a little bit more effort to recover the tariffs. And we feel like the other two businesses don't have that same level of exposure.

Speaker 11

Okay. That's great. And then just my follow on is the $80,000,000 of initiatives for the benefits in 2025. Are there any just to be clear, are there any investments against that $80,000,000 or is that a clean number that flows through to the bottom line?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks for asking. That's the net impact. And so that will have both positive benefits from transformation net of any strategic growth investments. And yes, we are making strategic growth investments, primarily in Water Solutions and in Pool.

Speaker 2

And so you could think about transformation being a little bit higher and then being offset by incremental investments to longer term growth programs.

Operator

Our next question comes from Nathan Jones from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 5

Good morning. This is Adam Farley on for Nathan. I wanted to follow-up on eightytwenty. Which of the segments are seeing the most near term revenue headwinds from Quad 4 actions? And then also, have Quad 1 actions identified any areas that can potentially benefit from additional growth investments?

Speaker 2

Yes. So eightytwenty in itself is not a growth limiter. Quite frankly, there isn't in the base program itself, there's not really a view that you lose revenue. That being said, our various acquisitions over time create a more of a portfolio opportunity. So Water Solutions is seeing that will help drive margin performance and lead to better productivity paths to Quad 3s, which are changing the way that you transact with customers.

Speaker 2

And all of the businesses have seen early signs of customers in Quad 1 that like what we're doing and feel like there's opportunities to partner more effective with us.

Speaker 12

All right.

Speaker 5

Thank you for taking my question.

Speaker 2

You're welcome.

Operator

Your next question comes from Deane Dray from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question. Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Dean.

Speaker 10

Hey, just want to circle back on pool and the growth rates assumed and I recall it was not too long ago right after COVID where there was this worry that there'd never be another pool built because everyone that could build possibly build 1 had done it. But now we're look to be at a more normalized level. So what's on low single digits for new and remodeled and aftermarket, is that are we at sort of the normalized rate given demographics and regional? Is it does it reflect interest rate pressures or labor shortages in the contract, especially on the new build? Just kind of are we at a normalized level here?

Speaker 10

Or are there still some headwinds?

Speaker 2

Deane, this is John. I want to jump in here. I feel strongly we're not. I mean, if you go back to 2019, which we always point to as what we would say as a more normal year for both North American housing starts and pool starts. When you look at 2019, both of those views to 2025, we're down 24% in housing starts and 23% down in new pool builds.

Speaker 2

It's not surprising because pool builds generally are a percentage of new housing starts given that most homes built in the south have pools attached to them. So we have a long way to go to get back to normal. What we see in 2025 though is flattish, overall new pool builds, slightly higher new remodels and the ongoing benefit of aftermarket, which just feels good for a change, given what we've struggled with in 2024 and 2023.

Speaker 10

That's really helpful. And the second question, I'm not sure how much you can comment on this, but there's been press reports of a very large asset that's being shopped that does food and beverage, water treatment. And just kind of high level thoughts, is this an opportunity for you? Might there be a competitive impact if this business actually gets acquired by what would be a more natural owner versus where it is presently? So just how do you

Speaker 2

think this all plays out? Yes. Not aware of that at all, Dean. But I mean, we continue to be focused on taking our businesses, especially the ones that we love that are focused on our move and prove it to joy. And we're in the bolt on mode and so not aware of any assets, so no comment on that.

Operator

Our next question comes from Andy Kaplowitz from Citigroup. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 12

Hey, good morning, everyone. Hi, Andy. Maybe just a little bit more on flow. When you're assuming when are you assuming CapEx delays might begin to subside there within the industrial businesses? And we know you've been continuing to streamline your overall flow business.

Speaker 12

So what is the ongoing impact of that in 2025?

Speaker 2

First of all, Andy, thank you Pat. It's a small part of our business, roughly $200 and some million that's really related to food and beverage and industrial. So they tend to be a little bit more projects related to expansion of beer and obviously then we sell beer membrane filtration. And then ultimately a lot of our CO2 and gas management aspects. So it's a smaller piece of our portfolio, but we are happening to see delays in those projects.

Speaker 2

And we're not counting on those delays to recover here in the near term, really related to financing and the overall expansion of their business models globally.

Speaker 12

And then John, to the point of new pools sort of standing at these very low levels, you've guided to break and fix and remodeling up low single digits for 2025. Are you seeing or when should we see like sort of pent up demand as everybody is just sitting there? Could we see a little bit of improvement because there just hasn't been a lot of new pool activity in Brig and 6300 Mileage? Or how are you thinking about that? And then have you seen any impact from hurricanes or maybe any thought process around potentially replacing the wildfire areas in California on the pool side?

Speaker 2

Yes. So real quick. We think we're into at least the second half before we see meaningful recovery in the residential side. I think as rates start to come down or equity markets stabilize, which are the 2 funding sources for our general pool owners, we believe stabilization leads to decisions which lead to then moving forward with projects. So I think we remain optimistic that aftermarket remodels will continue as people take advantage of their lower mortgages and their existing home base in the short run.

Speaker 2

And then hopefully, we'll see the builds as we go forward. As far as hurricanes, yes, we did benefit in Q4 slightly from the hurricanes, obviously, tragic events that we don't root for. And we imagine that most of the housing rebuilds in California will also once again have pools as they remodel. Obviously, horrific situation, so our hearts go out to those people. But either of those events will have some longer term penetration aspect to them.

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Krill from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 13

Hi, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Let me go back to the, I guess, updated 2026 margin targets. Just like, can you flesh out like what sales growth are you assuming for 2026 in order to hit this new twenty 6% margin? And is there any new contingency in there, similar to what you provided at the Investor Day?

Speaker 13

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. Again, just as a reminder, at Investor Day, we talked about mid single digit growth. We just guided 20 25% to flat to up 2%. So we've assumed something similar at this point for 2026 to achieve the profitability targets that we need. Again, hopefully, we'll be surprised on the upside.

Speaker 4

The deferred residential recovery comes back, pool starts to grow at more historical rates, but continuing to drive that transformation program to deliver the bottom line.

Speaker 13

Okay. So, fair to assume that if we go back to your mid single digit growth target, there's a little bit of upside to that 26%?

Speaker 2

I don't I mean, right now, we're updating that we feel good about the 26% R West. I think embedded in those numbers, as Bob and I said at Investment Day, was growing about $100,000,000 of EBITDA per year through 2026. So you could calculate how you get back to what the revenue number is and that's really a reflection of the fact that we didn't get the mid single digit growth recovery earlier in this 3 year window that we had hoped for. So we're not raising our overall expectations. We're saying there's a different path to achieve it.

Speaker 13

Understood. And then real quickly, just on eighty 20, is it fair? I don't think it was commented on explicitly, but is it about a 2 point headwind in the sales bridge you're assuming or about half of the Quad 4 sales?

Speaker 2

No, that's for maybe a business. But overall, we would expect to see no more than roughly a point of headwind from Quad IV exits from an overall Pentair perspective. And those are embedded in our volume assumptions in our current guide.

Operator

And our next question comes from Joe Giordano from TD Cowen. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. This is Zaneh Khanan on for Joe. I wanted to start with debt. Should we be expecting some significant debt pay down during this year? And does the guide assume any debt reduction?

Speaker 4

We will continue to drive the leverage ratio down as a combination of just having more EBITDA and slight debt pay down. So again, when we look at our capital allocation strategy, it's increasing the dividend to the 9% that we talked about. It's share repurchases to offset dilution. It's some debt pay down and bolt on acquisitions. So really balanced capital allocation strategy.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you for that. And you mentioned the residential end market improvement in the second half is included in the guide. Could you help frame how you view Q2 in terms of the bridge? Do you see Q2 improving a little bit, but most of the improvement in the second half or

Speaker 14

no improvement until the second half?

Speaker 2

We see really, really modest improvements as we move to the second half. We're not anticipating significant amount of rate reductions, which is what we really would like to see to get the jump start going. So what we have is a lot easier comparisons year over year and a lot more valuable contribution to the revenue streams. That was helpful.

Operator

Our next question comes from Saree Boroditsky from Jefferies. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 15

Thanks for fitting me in. So just building on eightytwenty, you talked about focusing on profitable growth. Can you just talk about how you're driving growth in those top clients and products? What are some of the investments required? And how are you incentivizing teams to adhere to this strategy?

Speaker 2

Yes. I'll do it as quickly as possible. I mean, it's really about identifying what it was that people really saw in your strength as a company and they started buying core products, for core and marks from you. And then over time, you added a bunch of complexity and alternatives. So it's really getting back to your strengths and then working and partnering with, as you said, incentivizing the dealer, incentivizing distributor and making sure you're incentivizing your salespeople to push through your top products to your top customers.

Speaker 15

And then quickly back on the tariffs, you talked about potential pricing actions, but just wanted to see how you're thinking about sourcing given some of the work you've done previously and maybe any changes on how you're thinking about producing and water treatment products in Mexico? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, I would say that structurally, we thought we had a really good situation. We've worked under the agreement that was put in place and this was a really good alternative to Service North America, both from a standpoint of not just access to products, but also access to labor, because we're pretty tight in some of the manufacturing labor markets that we participate in. So right now, I think we would react accordingly with dealing with what we need to do in the short run and then look longer term strategically what the best alternatives would be.

Operator

And our next question comes from Brian Lee from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 14

Hey guys, good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. Just two quick ones, might have missed it, but on the pool view for 2025, fair to assume sort of a normalized 2 to 3 points of price and the rest is volume?

Speaker 4

Yes. For pool, it's more like consistent with the overall company, 1.5 to 2 points of price is what's expected.

Speaker 14

Okay. Fair enough. And then I know a lot of focus around the tariffs and sourcing and cost risk. There is a larger fairly large European player that you compete with. I'm not sure if as all the dust settles on the tariff situation, if the EU were to get involved or get caught up in this.

Speaker 14

Does that become a potential market share tailwind for you guys depending on kind of how all the balls fall in place here? Sort of what products, what could you maybe stand to benefit? Just trying to understand the competitive dynamic if certain regions like Mexico and Canada maybe don't end up seeing tariffs in other regions like permutations that might actually beat your advantage potentially?

Speaker 2

Yes. It's hard to speculate. I would say that we're looking at those and strategizing. I think the bigger challenge is when we have these types of actions, you can get disrupted in supply chains and give temporary advantage or disadvantage to different regions. But we're a large global player as well.

Speaker 2

And we have a large global manufacturing footprint and global capabilities. And so when we have more certainty of what's going to happen, we'll react accordingly. Okay. Thank you for joining the call today. In closing, I want to reiterate some key themes on Slide 22.

Speaker 2

We delivered record earnings as a result of solid execution and transformation. We drove significant margin expansion across our balanced water portfolio despite continued macroeconomic headwinds. We ensured performance accountability across the organization. We ended the year with an even stronger balance sheet and record free cash flow. And we maintained a disciplined capital allocation strategy with a focus on driving higher return on invested capital.

Speaker 2

And finally, we believe our focused growth strategy and solid execution are building a solid foundation for long term growth, profitability and shareholder value. Thank you, everyone. Have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference call and presentation. We do thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

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