Cognizant Technology Solutions Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Now, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Tyler Scott, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Tyler Scott
Tyler Scott
Vice President, Investor Relations at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. By now, you should have received a copy of the earnings release and investor supplement for the company's fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four results. If you have not, copies are available on our website cognizant.com. The speakers we have on today's call are Ravi Kumar, Chief Executive Officer and Justin Delal, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that some of the comments made on today's call and some of the responses to your questions may contain forward looking statements.

Tyler Scott
Tyler Scott
Vice President, Investor Relations at Cognizant Technology Solutions

These statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties as described in the company's earnings release and other filings with the SEC. Additionally, during our call today, we will reference certain non GAAP financial measures that we believe provide useful information for our investors. Reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures, where appropriate, to the corresponding GAAP measures can be found in the company's earnings release and other filings with the SEC. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Ravi. Please go ahead.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Thank you, Tyler, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four earnings call. I joined Cognizant two years ago, drawn by its heritage and unique DNA, along with its extraordinary ability to sense, incubate and scale new technologies for global enterprises, often ahead of peers and clients.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We set out to harness these trends and reclaim our place in the winners circle. I'm pleased to report solid progress in 2024. We successfully pivoted from stabilization to growth, building momentum throughout the year. Q4 marked a high point for year over year revenue growth, large deals signings and bookings. Operationally, we completed our next gen program, delivering savings reflected in our adjusted operating margin and strengthening our ability to make strategic investments and drive profitable growth.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Our 2024 results reflect the strong execution of our strategic priorities, accelerating growth, becoming an employer of choice and modernizing operations. Our North Star remains returning to the winner's circle with top quartile revenue growth while steadily expanding our margins over time. Let's take a moment to reflect on 2024 starting with our growth initiatives, which gained momentum through large deals, platform enhancements, new and strengthened partnerships and strategic acquisitions. With respect to platforms, our AI Labs made significant advancements with our AI capabilities and offerings in 2024. We introduced FlowSource for full stack engineering, NeuroEdge for real time AI, Neuro Cybersecurity for AI enabled proactive defense and NeuroAI Multi Agent Accelerator for AI agent development.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We also added multi agent orchestration capabilities to our NeuroAI platform and we debuted our AI powered Cognizant Moment to help clients reimagine client experiences. In 2024, we expanded our breadth and depth of our global alliances ecosystem and we added two strategic acquisitions to our portfolio, Tredera and Belkam. Tredera made us one of ServiceNow's largest partners and in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, ServiceNow elevated us to global elite status, the highest level of partnership recognition within their ecosystem. Belkant significantly strengthens our opportunity in the $190,000,000,000 ER and D market. We believe our integration is on track.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We recently completed Phase one of the integration focused on commercial integration for clients outside of aerospace and defense. And in the fourth quarter, we signed a multi year deal valued at several hundred million dollars with an Aerospace client. Finally, one last note about our efforts to accelerate revenue. Our NPS client satisfaction scores improved to a historic high in 2024. Turning to our second strategic priority of becoming an employer of choice, developing and strengthening our associates is key to our future.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We drove AI rescaling at scale, sustained high employee engagement scores and maintained low voluntary attrition. I'm also pleased to share we have 13,000 current employees who have returned to Cognizant. These metrics combined with our rising NPS scores are evidence of the high correlation between happy employees and happy clients. Our grassroots innovation initiative Blue Bolt continues to generate tangible ideas for clients. Our associates doubled the number of ideas in 2024, submitting nearly 240,000 of which 47,000 were implemented by clients.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Our Synapse program equipped more than 400,000 people with skills for future work opportunities well on our way to our goal of 1,000,000 workers. Our work in 2024 earned prestigious recognition including Forbes World's Best Employers, Newsweek's America's Most Reliable Companies and ranking number seven on Fortune's changed the world list. Turning to our third strategic priority, we took several steps during the year to simplify and modernize our operations. For example, completing our next gen cost program helped drive sequential adjusted operating margin performance throughout the year while supporting our growth investments. We optimized and diversified our infrastructure in part by directing our India expansion into smaller cities in India.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

You have heard me call AI a double engine of transformation because it offers Cognizant the opportunity to accelerate our own progress as much as it does for clients. We are rapidly applying AI across the organization to strengthen our operating agility, while at the same time quickly sharing our learnings with clients. We've identified more than 200 internal AI use cases applying AI across three major dimensions associate experience and productivity, enabling business operations and to improve our technology and security landscape. These will remain important priorities in 2025. Now let me turn to some highlights from the quarter.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We finished the year on a strong note with accelerating momentum as we delivered another quarter of improved year over year organic revenue growth and expanded our adjusted operating margin sequentially ahead of our expectations. Revenue was $5,100,000,000 up 6.7% year over year in constant currency. Performance included the contribution of Belkan and improved organic growth driven again by our two largest segments Health Sciences and Financial Services. Organic revenue growth was fueled by recently won deals and improved discretionary spending primarily in Financial Services. We signed 10 large deals in Q4, up from seven a year ago, reflecting strong momentum across service lines and industries, including digital engineering, financial services and cloud services.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

This brought our large deal total to 29 in 2024 compared to 17 in 2023. Health sciences led with over 10% revenue growth. This included continued strength in TriZyto, our differentiated software platform that is used to process about two thirds of U. S. Healthcare claims.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

As a recent example, we entered an agreement in 2024 to enhance healthcare operations for Blue Shield of California with our TriZetto Facets platform as a service solution. And our Financial Services segment delivered another quarter of year over year growth supported by increased demand for cloud data and modernization services. Adjusted operating margin improved sequentially to 15.7%, driving full year performance that exceeded our expectations while we continue to make investments in AI and M and A. Taking a step back, we believe our expanding Gen AI capabilities are gaining momentum in the marketplace. For example, we now have over 1,200 early GenAI engagements compared to 1,000 at the end of third quarter.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We see demand for AI services expanding across industries as use cases proliferate. This includes predictive analytics for patient outcomes, drug discovery and virtual health assistance in healthcare. Credit scoring and analysis, customer service or automation and fraud detection and financial services. Predictive maintenance, quality control and supply chain optimization and manufacturing, content personalization and targeted advertising and media, just to name a few. Another great application of our AI capabilities is Store360 recently launched for the retail industry with our strategic partner ServiceNow.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Store360 aims to help retailers streamline store operations, enhance employee productivity and improve their customer experience with integrated automated and predictive Gen AI capabilities. We are already seeing early interest and excitement. We also signed a five year agreement with Toyota during the quarter to infuse Gen AI across its software development cycles by leveraging hyper automation AI and process reengineering. It is a great example of proactive solutioning allowing us to deliver significant productivity for the customer that can be redeployed to cover new services under an extended contract tenure. And we renewed our strategic partnership with McDonald's to streamline operations and support its delivery of exceptional customer experiences.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Our multi year agreement aims to transform McDonald's legacy infrastructure into modern cloud based systems using our neuro IT operations and SkyGrid platforms to improve system observability, reliability and agility. Lastly, we expanded our partnership with Gilead Sciences. Our collaboration will engage our expertise in machine learning and GenAI with an agentic framework to improve productivity and generate cost savings. Our new agreement accelerates Gilead's digital transformation allowing Gilead to focus on its core mission of discovering and delivering critical medicines. And we are also seeing traction with global capability centers or GCCs.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Earlier this year, we were notified that we won a new strategic partnership with a leading insurance provider to establish the GCC in India. We will work to enhance their operational efficiency, accelerate digital transformation and expand their global talent footprint leveraging our deep expertise in building and scaling GCCs. This partnership reinforces our position as a trusted transformation partner and marks a significant milestone in our continued growth in the GCC space. These are just a few recent examples illustrating how our innovative solutions and strategic partnerships powered by cutting edge technologies are delivering significant value to our clients in addition to helping accelerate our commercial momentum. As we think about AI enabled enterprise landscapes, I'm very excited about the role Cognizant can play in reimagining businesses, reshaping operating models, co creating new products and services and redefining work, workforces and the workplaces of our clients.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

The recent advances in democratizing foundation models are efficiently diffusing value to the front end of the AI value chain. We can play a big role for our clients in unlocking newer efficiency and innovation value levers and we think it will be a force multiplier. We believe our industry domain strength at the intersection of design, deep engineering and operations will allow us to stay differentiated and be a front runner as we see a proliferation of AI led services. We see the AI enabled opportunity playing out in three distinct vectors with the first already here. First, the most mainstream use case of AI is tech for tech or its application in software development cycles with the help of Code Assist platforms.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We have our own developer workbench on the Flowsource platform. In the fourth quarter, we estimated that 20% of our code accepted by developers was generated by AI, allowing us to do more for less and unleash a wave of hyper productivity. Our belief is with this level of hyper productivity, there will be an opportunity for partners like us to help clients unlock the estimated trillions of dollars of technical debt, find viable ways to modernize legacy systems and applications, automate infrastructure and operations and eliminate the backlog of workloads. The Vector2 opportunity will be about modernizing the data and cloud foundation for integrating AI into enterprise landscapes. We believe this opportunity will require building last mile infrastructure related to domain specific cognitive and reasoning frameworks, explainability and traceability, verification and multi agent orchestration and platforms.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

It also involves ensuring that AI's use is ethical and responsible and the output is optimized for accuracy and costs. Our belief is that this process of identification will drive significant innovation cycles leading to new AI enabled products and services work that is being advanced by our AI labs. And finally, Vector3 is about untapped and newer service pools that we believe will unlock by identification. Our view is that software may no longer be mainly a tool for organizing work, but can become the worker itself capable of understanding, executing and improving services traditionally delivered by humans. We expect the most transformative applications of AI will be those that collaborate with human teams with the potential to unlock new and previously unimaginable categories of work.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We see a future where a system of agents can inject autonomous intelligence into workflows by grasping context, applying reasoning and building a team of experts that each contribute unique knowledge and abilities. This evolution of services as a software as we call it is expected to dramatically expand our addressable spend through new access to our clients' expansive business operations budgets rather than their technology budgets alone. Early use case opportunities for many of our clients are to identify horizontal business functions like sales and marketing, human resources functions and customer service, as well as vertical functions like clinical operations, retail operations and connected care to name a few. I will close by saying that 2024 accomplishments have strengthened Cognizant operationally and strategically by broadening our portfolio while increasing our agility. We believe we are now transitioning from a phase of stabilization to a phase of growth.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Our early investments in AI, practical tooling, thought leadership and unique capabilities at the intersection of design, tech led engineering and operations gives us confidence that we have the right to win in this dynamically changing IT services market. We believe we are well positioned to capitalize on the growth opportunities ahead and confident that our strategic focus will help us deliver improved revenue growth to get us back to the winner's circle and gradual margin expansion over time.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Before I turn to Jatin to review our financials in greater depth, I would like to thank our clients and partners for the trust and our associates worldwide for their steadfast dedication and daily drive to deliver. We look forward to updating you in more detail at our March 25 Investor Day in New York. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jatin.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Thank you, Ravi, and thank you all for joining us. Our fourth quarter results underscore the progress we have made against our strategic priorities to improve commercial momentum and enhance operational excellence.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Fourth quarter revenue of $5,100,000,000 grew 6.7% year over year in constant currency at the high end of our guidance range. Organic revenue growth was driven by Health Sciences, which grew more than 10% year over year and Financial Services, which grew approximately 3%. Our acquisitions of Third Era and Belkin have supported our entry into new end markets with attractive long term growth profiles. Fourth quarter revenue included approximately four fifty basis points of year over year growth from these acquisitions. For the full year, revenue of $19,700,000,000 increased 1.9% year over year in constant currency and included approximately 200 basis points of growth from Third Era and Belkken.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We were very pleased with our fourth quarter adjusted operating margin of 15.7%. This performance driven by completion of our NextGen program and our rigorous actions to strengthen operations drove full year adjusted operating margin of 15.3%. This was 20 basis points ahead of our guidance. This also represents 20 basis points of margin expansion year over year, net of significant investments we have made to accelerate growth such as Belkin and our AI platforms. Now let's turn to the details of the quarter.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

By segment, Health Sciences saw broad based strength across payer, provider and life sciences end markets. Clients continue to prioritize cost optimization, cloud migration and legacy modernization projects, which are helping to more than offset the muted discretionary spending environment. Within financial services, growth was balanced with positive trends across capital markets, cards and payments, FinTech and commercial banking clients. We saw further albeit gradual pickup in discretionary spending. In North America, we are seeing an improved pipeline of opportunities for transformation and modernization projects across both insurance and select areas of banking and financial services clients.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

In addition, we have continued to see healthy growth in Canada, driven by the recent new bookings. Products and Resources or P and R growth was driven by Belkin. As we noted last quarter, the segment has been pressured by cautious discretionary environment across end markets. This includes automotive, aerospace, manufacturing and logistics among others. We signed three large deals in this segment in the fourth quarter.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Despite the near term pressure, we are excited about the opportunities we see across P and R, where the convergence of information technology and operational technology is rapidly accelerating. Communication, media and technology performance was consistent with last quarter as clients remain focused on cost optimization and discretionary spending budgets have been pressured. From geographic perspective, growth was led by North America, which increased more than 8% year over year. Health Sciences, Belkken and Banking and Financial Services all supported the growth. Europe grew by about 1% year over year.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

By segment strength in Health Sciences and Financial Services were offset by softness in Products and Resources. And finally, Rest of the World increased about 4% year over year. This reflected solid growth across most segments. Now turning to bookings. Fourth quarter bookings increased 11% year over year, driven by large deals.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

On a trailing twelve month basis, bookings grew 3% year over year and represented a 1.4x book to bill. Trends in smaller deals improved, which supported a low to mid single digit increase in our trailing twelve month annual contract value, both sequentially and year over year. Turning to expenses, quarter four marked the end of the NextGen program and we incurred about $49,000,000 of costs related to the program in the quarter. Excluding the impact of this cost, adjusted operating margin was 15.7% significantly above our expectations. Year over year margin declined by 40 basis points, primarily reflecting the impact of Belkan and increased compensation costs.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

This was partially offset by savings from next gen, high utilization and a favorable currency exchange rates. We are pleased to be exiting the year with an improved cost base and more resilient operating model. Now moving to cash flow and capital allocation. Fourth quarter free cash flow was $837,000,000 This brought full year free cash flow to $1,800,000,000 or 82% of our net income. This is in line with our guidance.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

As a reminder, free cash flow was negatively impacted by the previously disclosed impact from a $360,000,000 payment made to Indian tax authorities in relation to our ongoing dispute of our 2016 tax matter. We ended the year with cash and short term investments of $2,200,000,000 or net cash of $1,300,000,000 DSO of seventy eight days decreased by three days from third quarter and increased by one day versus the prior year. For the full year, we returned $1,200,000,000 of capital to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends, including $300,000,000 in the fourth quarter. And we invested $1,600,000,000 in two strategic acquisitions. Turning to our forward outlook now.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Before I start, I would like to reiterate our strategy that our strategy is built around driving long term EPS growth through revenue growth and modest operating margin expansion, which we believe will support enduring shareholder value creation. For the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we expect revenue to grow 5.6% to 7.1% year over year or 6.5% to 8% in constant currency. Sequentially, this represents a range of negative 0.5% to positive 1% growth in constant currency basis. For the full year 2025, we expect revenue to increase 2.6% to 5.1% or 3.5% to six percent in constant currency. Details of revenue in dollars are available in our press release and supplement.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We expect Belkken will contribute a little more than two fifty basis points of growth in 2025 with a greater contribution in the first half of the year compared with the second half. As a reminder, we closed the acquisition of Belkin at the August 2024 and it contributed approximately $300,000,000 to our 2024 revenue. For the full year, we expect adjusted operating margins will be 15.5% to 15.7. This represents a 20 basis points to 40 basis points of expansion of our strong performance in 2024. Over time, we expect our growing adoption of automation and AI to drive better productivity and higher margins.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We remind you that in the first quarter, seasonality typically drives a modest sequential margin decline. We expect our full year adjusted tax rate to be between 2425%. Some of you may have noticed that we are no longer providing net interest income guidance. We made this change to align our guidance metrics more closely with the industry. For the full year, we expect our net interest income will decline modestly given lower cash balances exiting the year.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

This leads to full year 2025 earnings per share guidance of $4.9 to $5.06 This represents 3% to 7% growth compared to our 2024 adjusted EPS. This growth includes more than two percentage points of expected headwind from unfavorable foreign currency exchange rates impacting reported revenue and other below that line items including slightly higher tax rate. For the full year, we expect free cash flow will represent more than 90% of the net income. In 2025, we do not expect material changes to our capital allocation strategy. We plan to balance the return of capital to shareholders with inorganic growth investments that strengthen our capabilities and support our growth ambition.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

For the full year, we expect to return approximately $1,200,000,000 to shareholders including about $600,000,000 in share repurchases and remainder towards our regular quarterly dividend. We expect a weighted average dilutive share count of about $493,000,000 for 2025. And during the year, we plan to repay the $300,000,000 outstanding under our credit facility. With that, we will open the call for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question is from Brian Burgin with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Bryan Bergin
MD - Equity Research at TD Cowen

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you. I want to start with bookings here. So you exited with building momentum on the larger deal front. Do you feel like you're reaching a rhythm now where you'll have more consistent quarterly bookings performance?

Bryan Bergin
MD - Equity Research at TD Cowen

Ravi, maybe talk about go to market and just a large deal engine now versus where you've been as you've gone through 2024?

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. Thank you for that question. Yes. I mean, we've got some phenomenal momentum on large deals. We did 29 of them, $100,000,000 plus in 2024 versus $17,000,000 in 2023.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So there are multiple things, which I believe are going to help us in 2025. First, we have build velocity of deal making. Second, we have a book to bill now of 1.4. Third, I would say is the small deals are starting to come back. So we are excited about it because it has monetization in the same year.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

In fact, our ACV numbers, we track that internally, higher than before, which gives me again great confidence that it's a combination of ACV and TCV. We also do a bid versus date inside the company and we are looking pretty good on the deals we signed in 2024, the deals we signed in 2023. We are executing to pretty good track. So I would say we are now in a rhythm. We are accessing the deals well.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Our win rates are significantly higher. It's a spread. In fact, over the two years, we have moved from application services to infrastructure services to now engineering services, which is a combination of the organic engineering strength we had and the stuff we got from Belcan. We also got a breadth of the industries from healthcare

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

to

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

financial services to products and resources to now progressively moving from Americas to other parts of the world. So this is a great rhythm for us, good tail velocity to getting into '25 and it is very good spread. So it is resilient and sustainable for the future.

Bryan Bergin
MD - Equity Research at TD Cowen

Okay. That's good to hear. And then the follow-up on just the growth outlook is, as you built the plan here, the organic growth plan for 2025, can you comment on potentially how some of these industries unfold relative to what you saw in 2024 as it relates to healthcare versus financial solutions versus P and R and comm MediaTek?

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. So because we have the breadth and the resilience now, I mean, our growth is going to be very broad based and all around. You've seen Healthcare, we have done 10% Y on Y, which is pretty healthy on a good big base. We are having pretty all round growth all the way from payer provider to life sciences. On financial services, where I started last year to where I am today, we are we have now created a rhythm of Y on Y growth for the subsequent quarters.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

And we are very, very excited about the fact that Financial Services, we are seeing discretionary coming back and we are actually capturing a lot of that. Now we are starting to with the muscle we have created on a broader capability, we are starting to see communications, which and the technology, which is a muscle we created in the last two years is doing well. Products and resources with retail and consumer goods was otherwise doing well and now we have strengthened manufacturing with the power of the Belkan capability we built. So it's all around comprehensive organic growth we're looking at. And I'm also excited about the fact that while Americas is actually a principal market and it is leading the way, the international markets are starting to contribute to this process.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Our first quarter guidance is pretty strong. I mean, this is one of those quarters, which is normally seasonally weak, but if you see the midpoint of the guidance range, we are positive. So it is tail velocity from quarter four cutting into quarter one plus all the momentum we have.

Bryan Bergin
MD - Equity Research at TD Cowen

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Jason Kupferberg with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Jason Kupferberg
Jason Kupferberg
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Good morning guys or good afternoon I should say. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to just start on the organic growth for the year. It looks like we're targeting 1% to 3.5% organic constant currency. The midpoint of that, I guess, would be pretty consistent with how you exited 2024 on the same basis.

Jason Kupferberg
Jason Kupferberg
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

So just wondering, in terms of acceleration, it sounds like there's more discretionary spending going on and you have some bookings momentum exiting the year. So, it doesn't seem like we've built much acceleration into the guide on an underlying basis, but is that just conservatism or are there other considerations there?

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. So, it's the start of the year. The visibility into the second half, you kind of build it in the next few weeks. We are hoping there is continued buoyancy into the second half, so that the upper end of the range is doable. So the way I constructed it is, there is a tail velocity into the first half of the year and that is constructed to the middle of the guidance range.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

And then we are hoping we continue to execute well. We continue to see the same buoyancy we're seeing now. I mean, discretionary is starting to come back. And as the visibility builds in, we do our best to outperform. If you look at the last four quarters, we got to the upper end of the guidance range in the last four quarters, including the one we just concluded.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So I would say, I mean, that's how I'm seeing it. I mean, there is, when I spoke to all of you one quarter ago to where we are today, I'm more optimistic about the future.

Jason Kupferberg
Jason Kupferberg
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. That's very helpful. And I know you touched on GenTek AI earlier. Wondering if clients are starting to talk more about it and what's Cognizant doing to invest to prepare for that opportunity? And then just any views on how DeepSeq could ultimately impact the IT services industry?

Jason Kupferberg
Jason Kupferberg
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. So I spoke in detail in the just a few minutes ago. Yes, I think I put this in three vectors. The first vector is writing code. I'm a strong believer that writing code with machines amplifying humans is only going to get us to write more.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We will unlock billions of dollars of legacy debt, legacy technology that's sitting on corporate landscapes, backlogs and we are seeing that in our deals now. I mean, one of the reasons why we are winning large deals is productivity is baked into it and the early investments we made is helping us to win because the productivity assumptions between providers is very different. I mean, we've done now 29 plus 17 deals in the last two years. A lot of that productivity we have baked in is AI led. So we're excited about the efficiency part of this process.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

The second lever is how does it help on innovation and growth. I mean, our clients are starting to invest on us. We have 1,200 projects running now and a lot of heavy lift, cloud migration, data modernization, the last mile infrastructure, we have platforms to help our clients that helps us to create a stickiness and helps us to accelerate the journey and helps us to make the journey of agentification predictable. In fact, we have our own agentification platform, which is an orchestration layer. If you have existing software, which has agents, this can orchestrate between the software pools.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

If you do not have an identification layer, this can actually act as an identification layer. So we think we are way ahead of most of our peers and this is probably an opportunity of a lifetime. It is also unlocking new pools of addressable spend, which we didn't earlier address, which is things I spoke about, which is say, connected care or retail operations or drug discovery. So the service pools, which we didn't capture before, are now available to us. So we are now seeing opportunities, which are not just at the CIO, it's actually across the business operations of the company.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So I think the addressable pool of work is going to be multifold to where we are, where we were before and that gives me confidence that this is a force multiplier for companies like ours. In context to DeepSeq, it's a simple quick summary. DeepSeq is uniquely democratized a layer at the back end, which is the foundation models and it has commoditized that layer. So a lot of that money will now flow into the front end and it will accelerate the adoption of AI into enterprise landscapes. And as it does so, we will be in the middle of it, heavy lifting and helping our clients.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So the DeepSeek opportunity uniquely is a moment, is an inflection point on transferring that value from the back end to the front end.

Jason Kupferberg
Jason Kupferberg
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you, Ravi.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Surinder Thind
Surinder Thind
Senior VP & Equity Analyst at Jefferies

Thank you. Rami, just kind of building up on the last part. If you think about the proprietary solutions that you're building within the AI landscape and all of the changing demand, can you provide a bit more color there in terms of the sustainability of those types of solutions that you're building? Or is this one of those things where as you go to a client, you build a solution and then somebody follows you really quickly? I just wanted to better understand that the shifting model of before it was all about services, but now we're injecting what sounds like a bit more of a software layer into the solution itself and if that's sustainable.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Thank you, Surinder. If you remember in the London conference, I started talking about this and we've come a long way from there. The layer of software, I call it fast software, is practical tooling needed by our clients to either accelerate the journey or to bridge a gap or potentially to build micro industry vertical templates, which the existing software doesn't contain. I mean, very similar to how enterprise software was built many years ago, how the cloudification of technology in some ways changed the role of system integrators. Now I would say all of this is helping our clients.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

I'll give you one example. We have a platform called FlowSource, which is an orchestration layer on top of Code Assist platforms like GitHub. Now that orchestration layer is something we built practically because we figured out that as you bring code written by machines and you bring code written by humans and you think it together, you need a developer workbench, which will synchronize that effort and improve productivity. And will some of the existing platforms replicate that functionality over a period of time? Maybe yes.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

But by then we will start to look at advanced problems to solve. Some of the problems we have today, some of the gaps we have today will remain gaps and it's the job of system integrator to fix them and some

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

of them will productize.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

And as they get productized, we move to the next endeavor, the next problem solving endeavor. There is work between efficiency of the output and cost efficiencies needed for making AI enterprise grade. Some of that optimization will automatically happen with software and some of it will not. So I would say it's an evolving role of a system integrator. The heavy lift will remain.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

I am now venturing not just into identifying landscapes. I'm venturing one step further, which is identifying new service pools, which we did not capture. I'll give you one example. If you take sales and marketing function, all the data sitting in software is structured data. If I actually tap into unstructured data in a sales cycle, I mean, there is data sitting in chat messages, data sitting in emails, data sitting in minutes of meetings of salespeople who are actually working on.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

And if you want to find the momentum of the company, well, sales momentum of the company, you could identify that pool and then transfer that into value, which means that was a labor pool we didn't touch. Either people were doing it and we didn't capture it or new sets of work, which people were not doing, which is unstructured data, I mean, it was not getting tapped. So I see this as an opportunity for not just technology spend of enterprises, I see this as an opportunity to go into the operations of companies and identify it and create service pools, which we can address. And we do believe we are our strength at that intersection of deep engineering, operations and industry domain will help us. And this is no longer theoretical.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

This is real life projects we are now implementing for our clients. And some of those examples I've already stated in my remarks.

Surinder Thind
Surinder Thind
Senior VP & Equity Analyst at Jefferies

That's helpful. And then when I think about as I look ahead and I think about all of the large deals you sign, the ramp, the managed services wins, Is that where most of the growth should come from in 2025 as we wait discretionary spend to improve on the consulting side? Or how should we think about the two segments? And maybe how much integration is there when we think about the large deals in terms of the sharing of work between consulting and managed services with the large deal?

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. So I'll take that, Sundar. This is I think the texture of the work is changing little bit between 2024 and 2025. In 2024, we saw that it was essentially the large deals and the volumes led by large deals were driving the growth. But 2025 as we exit particularly quarter four, we have seen some improvement as I described in my opening comments in annual contract value terms, which means we are getting some discretionary spend back and therefore the volume or the texture of growth will be slightly different to '25 where you will see both the short end work as well as the volumes which are being added by the large contracts or large deals.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Especially in financial services where there is more discretionary. In fact, Surinder, I just mentioned earlier that ACV numbers have significantly jumped in quarter four, which is an indication of not just large deals, but also smaller deals coming back.

Surinder Thind
Surinder Thind
Senior VP & Equity Analyst at Jefferies

That's very helpful. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Jonathan Lee with Guggenheim Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Jonathan Lee
Managing Director, Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

Great. Thanks for taking our questions. Tremendous to see the margin outperformance here. Can you unpack what drove that, especially with software utilization and perhaps some Ruby benefit? And what incremental levers could you see into calendar '20 '20 '5?

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Sure. So while using numerically the utilization looks softer in quarter four, but we continue to execute very well on the ground. So this is a this sort of under represents the operational improvement on that we have been able to achieve over last twelve months the way we run the organization. So I think that is one big driver that is also reflected in the performance on the gross margin side. We have definitely seen a benefit on the profitability coming through our next gen program.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

That is another key contributor to the performance for 2024 in general and specifically for quarter four.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So overall,

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

our operational rigor has improved significantly in the last two years. And we have some runway. I mean, we have the pyramid, we're continuing to sharpen the pyramid, AI led productivity, sharing with our clients and share part of it accruing to us. Our next gen program, which we started in 2023, flew into it had a flow through into 2024 and it will have a flow through into 2025. So we are very excited about it.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

And the large deals for which we were always budgeting if something goes wrong, but the reality is the bid versus date on large deals also contributed to the margin growth. I mean, we have really executed our large deals very well. So we are very pleased with where we have landed on the margin and the runway we have for '25. So and interestingly, we also done M and A and we have absorbed the margin dilution plus we are investing heavily into AI. We are absorbing that as well.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So I mean the ability to contribute to margins, create an expansion and that's going to be my desire. We want to keep an expansive desire to improve our margins, but continue our investments and stay ahead of our peers.

Jonathan Lee
Managing Director, Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

Thanks for that detail there. And to support your growth in 2025, can you talk through how you're sticking that pace of hiring and perhaps geographic mix of talent base given Belkin adds a new dynamic there?

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Sure. So, we continue to hire

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

as

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

we need for our growth and certainly it's a cycle that you will see panning out in 2025 also. Probably from Q1 and onwards, you should start seeing the addition of headcount versus what you've seen in previous few quarters. Overall, we are well placed in every geography from availability of talent from a bench standpoint, as well as our capacity to hire as we need in each of the geographies. So we feel quite good as we enter 2025 from a supply equation standpoint.

Jonathan Lee
Managing Director, Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

Appreciate the color guys.

Operator

Our next question is from James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

James Faucette
James Faucette
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

Thanks. I appreciate all the detail and color here today. I just wanted to ask a quick follow-up question on Belkin. I think if I heard you correctly that you expected it will contribute roughly 200 basis points in 2025. Does that include both inorganic and the organic period after August?

James Faucette
James Faucette
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

And I guess as part of that in your growth assumptions, are you building in any other inorganic contribution from maybe deals that haven't been announced or closed yet?

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes, sure. So essentially, this provides for the two fifty basis point is the number that I have mentioned in my opening comments. And that two fifty basis point is essentially for the additional eight months approximately eight months of revenue that we will get from Belkan in 2025. We have not factored in any additional inorganic in that two fifty basis points.

James Faucette
James Faucette
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

Oh, that's great. Okay. So that's very clear. Thank you for that. And then I'm wondering as you're like I think your messaging, Ravi, has been really clear and we've seen kind of this consistent improvement where we're now to this point where it seems like discretionary is improving and that's great to hear and on top of that the large deals etcetera.

James Faucette
James Faucette
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

As we went into the end of this year and I know it's a little early still on budgeting processes to have a conclusive view, but did you see any budget flush type engagements or bookings maybe like what you've seen in past years? And what's your early temperature in terms of growth for most people's budgets? It sounds like it's pretty positive, but is that universal? Thanks guys.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. So I mean, this is sectoral in a way, but I also want to tell you that the mood is very business favoring, right? I mean, people are expecting the regulation to be coming down and it's a pro business environment. The uncertainty around us is starting to settle down. There is lesser uncertainty in general across the world, which means all those dollars will actually trickle down to innovation and discretionary work.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

I would say Financial Services, I'm very pleased with where we are at Financial Services, which is where all the discretionary conversations are. We're very pleased with the progress we've made, the how we are seeding the opportunities which are coming our way. You would have noticed one other area I spoke about which is global capability centers. A lot of our clients are actually saying, can you help us set up global capability centers, which is interestingly one of our biggest trends, setting up the ID shop for one of our clients, but doing it in a build out of the transfer. So lot of all round opportunities to play with.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

As the AI wave is hitting enterprises, the reality check on the data and their cloud migration is reopening that journey. I mean, the heavy lift on data modernization and cloud migration is a unique opportunity for us. We are a very different company now in two years. I mean, I would say we have heterogeneity in our landscape on services, all the way from experience, application services, BPO ops to engineering. And we now have more vertical play.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

I mean, we aren't just a financial services healthcare company. We now have multiple verticals to play with. So I would say the I'm optimistic. I don't know if things will change in the second half, but I'm optimistic about the fact that where we were a year ago, where we were a quarter ago to where we are now, I feel very optimistic.

James Faucette
James Faucette
Managing Director at Morgan Stanley

That's great color. Appreciate that, Robbie.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Tien Tsin Huang with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

Hi. Thanks so much. Just to build on James' question, you mentioned the GCCs here, Ravi. Can you expand on what that means for Cognizant in general, if that is a new theme that you see emerging? And does this change the balance of trade between in sourcing and outsourcing?

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

Just trying to understand how to relate to that and how Cognizant is going to see that? Thank you.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So, multiple things for Cognizant to be a part of the One third of the GCs one third of the worker one third of the tech services in offshoring destinations like India is GCCs. So we have a big role to play. They are themselves directly buyers of services. So that's one. Second, a number of them who do not have access to that market because that's a different labor market.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We are a sizable, formidable player in India. So it gives us an opportunity to help these companies build, operate and transfer. In fact, last year I signed a deal, it's in the public domain, where I did build, operate, transform and transfer. Essentially, we are building it for them, we are operating it to them, we are applying AI tooling and then we are transferring it to them and then we underwrote all the AI tooling for the next couple of years, which means we are just going to give them they can draw from us. There is a third set of offering, which is the microservices around GCC, which is you focus on the core and offload the non core to us and we will set up for you.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

I mean there are a variety of templates on this and companies are reorganizing, I call them two point zero and they're reorganizing their technology ops and BPO together. I mean, my universe is not technology anymore. Operations of companies are actually getting offloaded to nearshoring and offshoring destinations. And that's a new addressable spend. And finally, engineering of companies.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

I mean, if you are a car company, you would probably outsource your HR applications and CRM applications. Writing software to drive to run the car, you're probably not going to outsource. You want to build it yourself. Building it is not easy. So we can actually give you deep engineering capacity to build your own core.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

So we have a number of opportunities which we have won and which we have in the pipe and I've actually mentioned about one in my earnings, which is primarily a insurer who just signed up with us. So we are kind of excited about this opportunity.

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

Yes, that's really interesting and thoughtful. Always appreciate your comments. Just had to ask you Ravi, as you're talking to clients and you've talked about a lot of themes here. How would you characterize just overall budget and client decision making with all this news flow that's happening? You got tariffs and immigration and tax, all this stuff.

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

How would you characterize that?

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes, technology is a very interesting space when everybody is growing, you use technology to grow. And if there is uncertainty, you use technology to improve efficiency. So you can win in the turns with technology. So I've seen it in both sides. And I think as a company, we're agile to anchor on both sides.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

When the market is soft, you want to anchor on efficiency. When the market is taking off, you want to anchor on innovation. And I think in some ways AI can do both. So I'm anchoring on both sides. That's why I placed this opportunity in those three vectors because I do see this as a player on both sides, which is why it is exciting.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Budgets are

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

I

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

mean the visibility of budgets are much better than last year. Is it completely up and running? I don't think so. As we move into the year, we will see more. But we are in a much better spot than last year.

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

Thank you so much. Always appreciate

Tien-tsin Huang
Tien-tsin Huang
Senior Analyst at JP Morgan

it.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. This is actually Liuya Yu on for Jim Schneider. My question is, how do you see the divergence in consumer behavior right now between The UK and Continental Europe? Is this being driven by geopolitical considerations?

Analyst

Or do you think it's being driven by the composition of industries of these clients such as like banking versus industrial? Thank you.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Is this specific to Europe or otherwise?

Analyst

Yes, Europe. So between The UK and Continental Europe.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. So I mean, Continental Europe still has uniquely first time outsourcing opportunities, which can manifest itself into not just offshoring, but outsourcing and offshoring. And sometimes in fact, Continental Europe has one of the most number of GCCs going back to the old topic. So I see that opportunity in some ways a very different it's in a very different stage of evolution in comparison to The U. S.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

And UK. And some industries are very mature and some industries are really opening it up for the first time. UK is a much more mature market. We have a big role in UK. I mean we are strong in financial services.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

We also do public sector in The UK. We are pretty strong in consumer and comps. So UK is a very different market. I think it's much more ahead in terms of outsourcing, offshoring and actually efficiency cycles. But I would say in Continental Europe, if we make the right investments, which we are doing over the last two years, we are unlocking much more than before.

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Our presence is much the proportion of business we do out of Europe and Asia Pacific is much lower than The U. S. In comparison to

Ravi Kumar S
Ravi Kumar S
CEO at Cognizant Technology Solutions

our peers. So that's an area for us to capture more and be a challenger in some of these geographies.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Yes. I just want to add a point on UK versus Europe. I think UK has really started to show a lot of momentum in the second half of twenty twenty four than what we saw before.

Jatin Dalal
Jatin Dalal
Chief Financial Officer at Cognizant Technology Solutions

The current quarter, there is a delta between UK and Europe and that's more led by a fact that one of our CMT customers renewed a contract in U. S. Versus UK. So there is some movement of revenue between geographies. But otherwise, we continue to see good momentum in UK.

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the floor back over to management for any closing comments.

Tyler Scott
Tyler Scott
Vice President, Investor Relations at Cognizant Technology Solutions

Great. Well, thank you all for joining us tonight and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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      Tyler Scott
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      Ravi Kumar S
      CEO
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      Jatin Dalal
      Chief Financial Officer
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