Johnson Controls International Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 5, 2025

There are 15 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Johnson Controls First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Jim Lucas, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning and thank you for joining our conference call to discuss Johnson Controls' fiscal first quarter twenty twenty five results. The press release and related tables that were issued earlier this morning, as well as the conference call slide presentation can be found on the Investor Relations portion of our website at johnsoncontrols.com. Joining me on the call today are Johnson Controls' Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, George Oliver and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Van Diepenby. Before we begin, let me remind you that during our presentation today, we will make forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by forward looking statements due to a variety of risks and uncertainties.

Speaker 1

Please refer to our SEC filings for a detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties in addition to the inherent limitations of such forward looking statements. We will also reference certain non GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are contained in the schedules attached to our press release and in the appendix of this presentation, both of which can be found on the Investor Relations section of Johnson Controls website. I will now turn the call over to George.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. I'd like to start by taking a moment to thank all Johnson Controls employees for their hard work and tremendous contributions in helping us achieve an excellent start to the year with our strong quarterly results. Before we get into the details on results, I I want to briefly address the CEO transition we announced today. As you've likely seen, the Board and I have selected Joakim Guadimenez to succeed me as CEO of John's Controls in March.

Speaker 2

I will remain on the Board through August 1 to support a seamless transition and will remain an advisor to the company until I officially retire at the December. It has been the honor of my career to lead John's Controls for eight years working alongside an incredible team and to have been a part of the JCI Tycho merger before that. We have accomplished a tremendous amount during that time and I could not be more pleased with the company we have built. Together, we have successfully simplified our portfolio and positioned our company as a leading pure play building solutions provider. We are driving results based on our unique value proposition with an ability to serve our customers over the lifecycle of the building.

Speaker 2

The Company's future lies in building on the momentum we have underway. Our Company has an incredibly strong bench, including our talented CFO, Mark. This transition came together after a rigorous and thoughtful succession planning process. And I am confident that as you get to know Yoakum, you will agree that the company is in very capable hands and he is the right leader for Johnson Controls. Yoakum comes from Danaher where he worked for thirteen years.

Speaker 2

He is a highly accomplished executive with extensive experience scaling global companies with a foundation of customer orientation, innovation and efficiency. His track record of leading service oriented businesses and leveraging technology to deliver best in class financial performance is uniquely suited for where Johns Controls is in its value creation journey. I will remain fully engaged until Yocum steps into the CEO role, then I will work with him and the rest of the management team as we seamlessly transition leadership and set John's Controls up for continued success. With that, I will turn to a more in-depth discussion of our first quarter performance. Let's begin with Slide four.

Speaker 2

John's Controls is starting 2025 with great momentum and a clear focus as validated by our first quarter results. Importantly, each of our businesses contributed to robust revenue growth and significant margin expansion and remain positioned for ongoing shareholder value creation. These results reinforce the considerable progress we have made through our transformation efforts and demonstrate the success of our strategic initiatives, which have driven increased demand for our core systems and service offerings. We are confident that our performance provides a solid foundation as we move through the year. Order momentum remained solid with 16% growth in the quarter, driven by double digit growth in both systems and service.

Speaker 2

The sustained demand for our tailored engineered solutions offerings has not only fueled growth, but also positions us well for continued success. Our focus on driving operational excellence and fostering innovation is enabling our performance and building on our capability to deliver consistent, predictable results. Taking into account our strong performance to date, we are raising our guidance for the year. Mark will provide more details later in the call. We are confident in our ability to maintain our momentum and deliver long term shareholder value creation.

Speaker 2

Please turn to the next slide. Jones Controls is experiencing consistent progress across key verticals, demonstrating the breadth of our expertise and stability of our business model. Our global presence across multiple domains with a simplified operating model enables us to assist and grow our customer relationships over the course of the entire building lifecycle, while also delivering safe, healthy and sustainable solutions. By focusing on the entire lifecycle, we create great customer intimacy, while achieving a high level of customer retention, a key metric and differentiator. Our services business supported by long contractual engagements empowers us to optimize performance at every phase across all building systems, driving increased value for our customers.

Speaker 2

This is largely achieved through our global branch network and its more than 20,000 qualified technicians, but also through the continuous advancements in innovation and strategic use of AI. We leverage remote monitoring by employing AI to drive utilization and efficiency. For instance, proactive repair recommendations are contributing to a larger share of our overall services growth. Additionally, customer surveys indicate that John's Controls technicians are regarded as trusted advisors, which is due in large part to our local market strategy. Our product agnostic central operations infrastructure supports our technicians with monitoring, call intake, dispatch and technical support to ensure a seamless and efficient process.

Speaker 2

This provides best in class turnaround time and improves system uptime. We continue to build momentum as a leading solutions provider to data centers, which is one of our fastest growing verticals and remains an attractive opportunity. I am pleased to report that Johnson Controls was recently named the number one implementer among data center thermal management providers and was recognized as a top innovator. We are one of only two players to be named an overall leader in the field and are proud to be a key partner in supporting the infrastructure of the digital economy. We are capitalizing on the significant transformation underway to support safer and more efficient manufacturing, reshoring initiatives in Industry four point zero.

Speaker 2

This is illustrated by how we are driving mission critical solutions in the healthcare vertical. Hospitals and healthcare facilities face growing challenges, including agent infrastructure and the need to meet ambitious sustainability targets. Our comprehensive portfolio, including advanced HVAC systems, fire protection and our OpenBlue platform helps healthcare providers enhance air quality, improve infection control and reduce energy costs while meeting regulatory requirements. OpenBlue is another area where we have expanded upon our generative AI capabilities. Our software can now easily explain building equipment faults and trends using generative AI and help users with easy to understand investigation and resolution steps.

Speaker 2

Additionally, we can now analyze energy and carbon emissions across a real estate portfolio and evaluate compliance against any local regulations related to excess carbon emissions, helping customers better plan and prioritize capital improvement projects and facility improvement measures. Pharmaceutical manufacturing is also a dynamic area where demand for advanced production environments, including clean rooms, has surged to support the production of the innovative therapies and medications. These facilities require precise temperature, humidity and air quality management. Our leading solutions ensure that they can operate efficiently, safely and sustainably. Across the broader manufacturing sector, our ability to integrate smart, energy efficient and resilient technologies helps manufacturers optimize their operations and achieve their long term goals.

Speaker 2

Our performance in these verticals and our use of AI demonstrate our ability to address the unique needs of mission critical environments across a range of industries. By leveraging our advanced technology, digital innovation and focus on sustainability, we continue to deliver measurable value for our customers and position ourselves as a leader in driving long term growth. In summary, our strong start to fiscal twenty twenty five reflects the success of our strategy to simplify our portfolio and position Johns Controls as a leading pure play building solutions provider. The significant progress in our transformation is enabling us to achieve more consistent and predictable performance as we continue to deliver value for our stakeholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Mark.

Speaker 3

Thanks, George. Before I review our results, I would like to thank you for your leadership of Johnson Controls. I have deeply appreciated your partnership over the years and want to wish you all the best in your well deserved retirement. I look forward to working with you and you, Kim, over the coming months to ensure a seamless transition. Please turn to Slide six.

Speaker 3

Our long cycle backlog and unwavering commitment to operational excellence enables us to produce strong first quarter results and deliver enhanced shareholder value. Organic revenue grew 10% and segment margin expanded a robust 200 basis points to 15%, led by substantial improvement in both EMEA and Global Products. Adjusted EPS of $0.64 was up nearly 40% year over year and exceeded the high end of our guidance range by $0.04 We are pleased with our strong start to the year that reinforced our operational strength and effective strategy. On the balance sheet, we ended the first quarter with $1,200,000,000 in available cash and net debt decreased to 2.3 times, which is within our long term target range of two to 2.5 times. Our adjusted free cash flow of approximately $600,000,000 improved nearly $800,000,000 year over year.

Speaker 3

This trend demonstrates the significant improvements in our working capital fundamentals leading to increased efficiency, reduced cost and enhanced customer satisfaction. Let's now discuss our segment result in more details on Slide seven through nine. Beginning on Slide seven, Global Products had a strong start to the year. Organic sales grew 15% as price remained positive and we delivered 11 points of volume growth. Applied HVAC grew more than 30% with strong double digit growth in North America and EMEA.

Speaker 3

Adjusted segment EBITDA margin expanded an impressive seven forty basis points to 30.1% as our enhanced operational efficiencies are producing substantial margin improvements. Turning to Slide eight and nine to discuss our Building Solutions performance. Building Solutions delivered a strong quarter with consistent performance across all regions. Orders grew 16% in the quarter with strong double digit growth in both systems and service. Orders in North America increased 18% in the quarter, led by over 20% growth in system as we continue to see strong demand for data centers, healthcare, broader industrial and manufacturing.

Speaker 3

Additionally, we experienced an uptick in order during the quarter as our customer proactively adapt to the changing global landscape, including anticipated tariffs. Service grew 10% with broad based strength across the portfolio. In EMEA, orders were up 6% with 9% growth in service and 4% growth in system. In Asia Pacific, progress continued as our year long effort to rebuild the pipeline led to positive outcomes. Overall, orders grew 32%, led by 40% growth in system, while service grew in the low teens.

Speaker 3

Organic sales increased 8%, led by 10% growth in service and 8% growth in systems. Sales in North America were up 10% organically with continued strength across HVAC and controls. In EMEA, organic sales grew 6% with solid growth in controls, fire, security and industrial refrigeration. In Asia Pacific, sales grew 5% organically, led by strong double digit growth in our Resilient Service business. The Building Solutions segments have experienced notable margin improvements through strategically building backlog with higher margin system jobs with a long service tail.

Speaker 3

Our margin story remained consistent this quarter, mirroring the positive trends observed in previous quarters. By region, EMEA adjusted segment EBITDA margin expanded two forty basis points to 10.1%, driven by improved productivity and the positive mix from growth in service. In North America, adjusted margin expanded 60 basis points to 12.1, reflecting the execution of a higher margin backlog. In APAC, adjusted margin expanded 20 basis to 9.3%, driven by positive mix from our service business. Building solutions backlog remains at record levels, growing 11% to $13,200,000,000 Service backlog grew 8% and system backlog grew 12% year over year.

Speaker 3

Our record backlog provides visibility into future revenue, enabling us to drive consistent and predictable financial results. This strong foundation allows us to strategically plan and meet the sustained demand for our solutions, ensuring continued growth. Let's discuss our fiscal second quarter and full year guidance on Slide 10. We exited the first quarter with strength and sustained momentum as we executed on our strategic initiative and expanded our record backlog. This solid foundation offered great visibility into the remainder of fiscal twenty twenty five and position us well for continued success and growth.

Speaker 3

For the second quarter, we anticipate organic sales growth of mid single digit, adjusted segment margin expansion over 150 basis points to approximately 16.5% and adjusted EPS in the range of $0.77 to $0.79 representing 12% to 14% growth. For the full year, we continue to expect organic sales growth of mid single digits, which remains consistent with our long term growth algorithm. Following a strong start to the year and an improved service mix, we are pleased to raise our full year guidance for both margin and adjusted EPS. Considering the potential impact of tariff as known today and reflected in our guide, we anticipate higher profitability and continued enhancement in our financial performance. This expectation is primarily due to our operational focus and strong beginning to the year.

Speaker 3

We now anticipate adjusted segment EBITDA margin to expand over 80 basis points and adjusted EPS in the range of $3.5 to $3.6 per share, representing 9% to 12% growth. The positive cash flow at the start of the year demonstrate our working capital fundamentals continue to improve. As a result, we now anticipate achieving a free cash flow conversion of 90% or greater for the full year. We continue to target returning 100% of our free cash flow to shareholders through dividend and share repurchase. Our strong start to the year was driven by our ongoing transformation effort, enhanced operational focus and precise execution.

Speaker 3

Streamlining processes and prioritizing key initiatives have led to early successes, setting a positive tone for the rest of the year. This solid foundation position us well for continued growth and achievement. We look forward to leveraging our strong momentum throughout fiscal year twenty twenty five. With that operator, please open the lines for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And our first question comes from Nigel Coe from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the all the details. So congratulations on Joachim's appointment. I'm just wondering, George, as Chairman of the Board, maybe you could talk about what sort of mandates you're delivering to Joachim as he came in with a freehand.

Speaker 4

Just wondering any sort of guardrails around his mandate?

Speaker 2

I mean, we named Joachim effective on March 12. It was through a rigorous and thoughtful succession planning process. He comes with, as we've discussed, thirteen year Dannerher, experience with Dannerher, extensive experience scaling global companies with a foundation of customer orientation, innovation efficiency. I think as you look at his background, his track record of leading service oriented businesses, leveraging technology to be able to deliver best in class financial performance is uniquely suited for where John's Controls is in its value creation journey. I think as we've talked about with the strategy that we've developed, you can see the momentum that we've built with that strategy.

Speaker 2

I think he comes in, brings incredible operational background and a lot of work around strategy that as we take that foundation forward, we're going to be positioned to be able to capitalize on the full growth potential of the company. Couldn't be more excited to have him coming on board, working with him and ultimately going through a seamless transition.

Speaker 4

Okay. It doesn't sound like there's any okay, great. And then just maybe a question for Mark on the free cash conversion that's sort of 90% plus for the full year. Maybe just remind us how much does that include cash restructuring payments with the ongoing program? And just maybe just touch on some of the changes you're making to the process to maybe just deliver better and more consistent free cash flow.

Speaker 3

Nigel, so we include about two fifty million dollars of restructuring cash in our 90% conversion. And that's obviously a headwind against what you would expect to see at around 100%. We've talked about the other structural challenges that we've seen. As far as changes we are making and we've made, it's all about our operating system. And going back to the fundamental on what type of jobs we accept, how do we plan on billing the customer and collecting on the progress payment.

Speaker 3

It's also a lot of the work that has been done within our Global Products team in leveraging better volume and relying less on inventory to be able to drive that growth. You saw Global Products in the quarter grew about 11% unit with about the same level of inventory they had to hold in those businesses versus last year. So we are very pleased with what we are seeing from an operational standpoint and also fundamental change and that allows us to convert better from a free cash flow standpoint.

Operator

The next question comes from Steve Tusa from JPMorgan.

Speaker 5

Congrats on the appointment. And it seems like it was a nice exhaustive search, seems like a good outcome. So just kind of calibrating the guidance here, I mean your orders are comping up 16%, your organic this quarter was pretty strong, yet you kind of held the mid single digit guide. Anything you're concerned about in the next few quarters, although you did guide second quarter pretty well as well? So anything in the back half?

Speaker 5

Obviously, the comps get a bit tougher, but anything you're worried about in the back half to drive that type of slowing?

Speaker 3

Yes, I wouldn't call it slowing. But yes, you're right, Steve. The second half comp is become more difficult, particularly our fourth quarter, where we had very solid growth last year in Q4 and year on year compare there is pretty heavy and the math, of course, of Q4 is also higher from a total revenue standpoint, make the arithmetic of the second half growth a little tougher. I think the way you need to think about that mid single digit is all of our businesses will grow in that mid single digit level. APAC maybe a little bit higher than the rest.

Speaker 3

I think for us to be comfortable to start raising above that level, we need a little bit more clarity on what we think tariff is going to do overall to our markets, our end markets, particularly North America. And then seeing if APAC actually rebounds. Right now, we're seeing them kind of bottoming out and we're starting some growth, but it's not the level of growth you would expect given the couple of challenging years these markets have seen.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then just lastly on data center related business. I assume the orders are still pretty strong. Do you expect an acceleration in, you booked a lot of orders last year, the lead times are a bit longer. Are you still seeing accelerated growth rates from a sales perspective in data center for 'twenty five versus 'twenty four?

Speaker 3

Yes, versus '24. Both orders and revenue is accelerating. What you saw in the first quarter that solid order, particularly North America, some of that had to do with some acceleration of those orders that people were trying to get ahead of the change in leadership in the country here in January. And then some of it had to do with further visibility that some of our larger dealer center customer have now on their demand for cooling over the next couple of years. But we don't see that momentum slowing down whatsoever.

Operator

The next question comes from Scott Davis from Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning, guys. And I'll echo my colleagues' comments on Yocum. We know him well and he's going to be a great fit for you guys. So congrats.

Speaker 7

Thanks Scott.

Speaker 6

I'll wait till he starts to ask the questions about his mandates and stuff. But I do want to ask a little bit about your order book. And has it changed over time, meaning are the orders a little bit longer duration now than they used to be? Are people trying to get in the queue? Just given how large so many of these projects are, obviously data center, but not just data center, the projects overall should be meaningfully larger than perhaps what we've seen at least in recent history.

Speaker 6

Do you see a change in that order book, the duration, the lead times, that type of thing?

Speaker 3

We do see a little bit of a shift toward longer cycle businesses and that comes not just market back, but also how we address the opportunity we see in the market. And we see the pipeline of opportunity continue to grow. And as we focus our commercial organization towards the most attractive parts of the market where we can actually sell value and margin, but also attach a long service tail to the opportunities we look at. Naturally, that means we build a little bit stronger customer intimacy. With that comes order that are probably a little bit earlier than we saw historically, where we were a little bit more transactional and reactive to the market, and therefore, we take order kind of later in the cycle.

Speaker 3

So yes, naturally, our orders have a tendency now to have a little bit longer tail than they did. And then the core verticals that are growing, data center, healthcare and manufacturing, are more, I would say, complex and elaborate customer that do multi year planning. That includes pushing orders' ability to revenue a little further down the timeline.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. And guys, this is not a criticism, just one would love to have some color though on incremental margins. When I just think about the service mix this quarter and then the price in that backlog, I would have guessed maybe incrementals would be a little bit higher than 30%. But I know there's lots of there's always puts and takes to that.

Speaker 6

Maybe if we can just get a little color on that and I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Speaker 3

No, absolutely. There's two real aspect, I would say, conservatism still. The first one comes from foreign exchange, right? We've bought a nickel of pressure coming from just purely the dollar strengthening. It's not big, but from a margin rate standpoint, it puts a little bit of pressure.

Speaker 3

And the second thing I'd tell you is, we really need to have a little bit more clarity around tariff and what it will do and how we will be able to pass on that price to the customer and can we drive also margin on that price ultimately. And as you know, that tariff landscape is very fluid and changing rapidly. And so our ability to, with clarity, predict what it will do to our margin expansion is kind of is a little bit muted in the second half.

Operator

The next question comes from Julian Mitchell from Barclays.

Speaker 7

Maybe just wanted to follow-up if you could give any more detail on the tariff perspective in terms of share of costs or production from some of the affected areas and how we think about the speed with which you'd offset those effects with higher prices and then anything more fundamental post that?

Speaker 3

Yes. It's hard to tell you with precision exactly how it's going to be affecting. I'll tell you two or three things. The first one is we have evolved our manufacturing strategy to manufacture in region for the region, and that has helped us protecting some part of what's been announced. As I mentioned earlier, that landscape around tariff is very uncertain right now and every day almost it's changing.

Speaker 3

But we do have manufacturing capabilities in North America that are not just based in the Continental U. S. Some of it in New Mexico, some of it is in Canada. And so depending on how those tariff will be enacted, will have a particular impact. I'll tell you, we have successfully dealt in the past with tariff, either by passing it on to the customer, sometimes with margin, sometimes just one for one.

Speaker 3

And we've also been able to pass on some of the pressure we see through the supply chain, either directly on price concession on our suppliers or naturally you'll have the effect of currencies on

Speaker 8

some of

Speaker 3

the tariffs that will offset some of that pressure. We're working very diligently on our supply chain levers to drive better resiliency in that supply chain and allow us to continue to drive that regionalization, reworking a little bit of supply chain network to kind of minimize ultimately the effect of tariffs should they be enacted.

Speaker 7

That's great. Thank you. And then just my follow-up would be around the corporate costs. Just really the spirit of the question, trying to understand the sort of pace of stranded cost reduction and the exit rate into 2026 for that line. Because I think your guide for this year implies it's sort of $260 ish million, the corporate cost in the first half and then a decent step down in the second half from that number.

Speaker 7

So is a sort of exit rate from this year a good steady state with kind of stranded costs leaned out when we're thinking about the medium term? Thank you.

Speaker 3

No, for sure. So, part of that stranded cost is obviously sitting at corporate and the timing of moving some of that cost that you would have maybe historically seen in the segments that we've divested is now kind of sitting at corporate. And as we look at the restructuring and the benefit of that restructuring, as you mentioned, you're going to see a lot of that coming out of the corporate expense in the second half, but particularly into 'twenty six as we are going to be able to fully enact a lot of the activities from a transformation and restructuring, allowing us to really drive a lot of leverage on our corporate costs and taking it down quite materially looking beyond this current fiscal year.

Operator

Our next question comes from Amit Mehrotra from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thanks. Thanks a lot. Good morning, everybody. George, as you I just wanted to come back to the CEO question maybe one more time. There's obviously been a lot of progress on the strategic side.

Speaker 9

So I assume you shouldn't expect much change in terms of where the portfolio of businesses is today, maybe an acceleration of the product productivity margin opportunity. So maybe you can just talk about what you guys found Yoakum sort of bringing to the table that you and the Board found particularly attractive for the company?

Speaker 2

Yes. The journey we've been on and with the strategy, we've really set Jones Controls up to be the leader building commercial building solutions that are really built on at the core of it is the technology and our products, it's our digital platform that we deploy, and then it's ultimately the services that we gain with the connectivity and the use of data. And so as we've looked at the portfolio, we are we'll complete the residential and light commercial divestiture by

Speaker 4

the end

Speaker 2

of the year. That's a big step towards being more of a pure play. It's roughly about 10% of the remaining portfolio that might not be core to the commercial buildings solutions. And so we'll continue to update you as we address those on an ongoing basis. But we feel really good about how we're positioned in the market, the differentiation that we bring to our customers and then the operating model that we're operating with that now is delivering very predictable results, right from how we're working with customers, how we're building pipeline, how we're converting pipeline and ultimately how we're attaching services.

Speaker 2

And so as I said earlier, with Yoakum's experience coming in and his operational experience as well as strategic experience, certainly as we look at the portfolio and the ability to be able to create growth, we see significant opportunity. And so a lot of the focus will be now capitalizing on that opportunity with the strong operating system that we've built, really understating the secular trends that are underway in the commercial building segment. And we believe that we're going to be uniquely positioned now to capitalize on more than our fair share.

Speaker 9

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you. And just related to that, maybe one follow-up for Mark. With respect to margin outlook, can you just talk about maybe the cadence of margins from here as we progress through fiscal 'twenty five?

Speaker 9

And then as you think about benchmark the business and look at where the productivity opportunities are, maybe more longer term question, where do you think the biggest margin opportunity exists today for the business?

Speaker 3

Yes. Looking first at how we look at the second quarter, you'll see margin improvement obviously across the board, but the biggest opportunity will come from EMEA and Global Product as well as as we see that lift in volume in Asia Pacific, you'll see margin returning more closer to historical level. So for second quarter and probably the same applies consistently for the second half for the same segments. That's where we see the opportunity from margin lift. North America will see improvement, but not at the same level as those other three businesses that see a lot of opportunity.

Speaker 3

Longer term, if you think about the opportunity set here, it's really twofold. The first one is, we've set in place an operating model that works really well and is starting to deliver performance. But the continued simplification and the restructuring efforts we are doing around where we manufacture, how we manufacture the amount of product we have in our line card and how we deploy our commercial resource around the market against that great franchise of product we've established and how we continue to establish customer intimacy in all the market to drive better growth. I think that's where you're going to continue to see improvement in our margin because that will provide the right level of growth to support better lift in our base cost. We kind of fix the foundation of our cost and it's all about leverage here and it's really that focus around customer back trying to continue to drive more than our fair share from a market growth standpoint.

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Snyder from Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 8

Maybe I wanted to ask about two kind of longer term questions here. The first is on the growth profile. The company is talking to kind of mid single digit growth this year. Obviously, some tough comps in here in the back half, so maybe stepping down to exit the year. But when you think longer term, how much runway do you think there is for the company to kind of maintain this mid single digit organic growth?

Speaker 8

Obviously, backlog is still incredibly high. Orders don't seem to be slowing down much. So any views on just the duration behind this? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. So if you look at the long term outlook rate around that mid single digit, it's reported first by our continued service growth. That service business is probably going to run mid single to high single digit, really coming from two fundamental change in the operating model. First, every time we think about a new system, we try to get as much as we can from a service entitlement associated to that. That means focusing on the right vertical, but also continuously increasing our customer intimacy.

Speaker 3

The second thing I'd tell you is, we have created a base of products and capabilities that are well suited for the subsegments of the market that are fundamentally growing at a higher pace than what you would see in the expectation of GDP growth. And I'm thinking here about obviously data center we keep on talking about, but it's also generally our manufacturing capabilities as well as our healthcare businesses. Those three segments continue to up base the market. That comment is actually applicable to the vast majority of our geographies. And I think it will continue to evolve that way.

Speaker 3

So continue to drive product capabilities that serve that market well and where we can continuously generate value will help support that mid single digit and hopefully more than that over the long term algorithm.

Speaker 8

Thank you. I appreciate that. And then I want to follow-up on some of the earlier commentary about the company realizing better margin backlog kind of starting to flow through into the P and L. So I guess is that will that continue? I imagine prices kind of steadily pushed higher here over the last couple of years.

Speaker 8

So is the expectation or is the margin and the backlog kind of continually getting better? And then the second piece of that, you guys obviously have a very big backlog there, there's long duration behind it. Is there a price protectionism in the event that we get more tariffs coming through here? Are you guys able to offset that with price on what's already in

Speaker 3

the backlog? Thank you. Great question. So the margins in the backlog continue to improve simply because we continue to be able to sell value to customer. There's obviously going to be an inflection point at sometime in the future, but we're far from that inflection point as the way we see it.

Speaker 3

As far as tariffs, a large part of our backlog has contractual abilities for us to pass on that price. Some of those contracts allows us to pass the price and probably maintain margin. Some of those, it's more of a one to one and therefore we can recuperate the headwind associated with the tariff, but maybe not the margin on top. And then there's a portion of our backlog that is with larger order, largest customer that have, I would say, a little bit more leverage, and we will have to negotiate with those customers how we are going to deal with the potential tariff that could be applicable for those products. I'll tell you that for the vast majority of those customer where maybe not word for word we have full protection, we've created products that are critical to their success and we have real great partnership with them.

Speaker 3

And so I feel very comfortable that we'll find a way to make it economical for both side and create a successful relationship with those customers.

Operator

Our next question comes from Joe O'Dea from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Hi, Joe. Is your line on mute? Our next question is from Joe Ritchie from Goldman Sachs.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hey guys, good morning and nice start to the year.

Speaker 11

Let me just kind of

Speaker 10

focus, I guess, my questions on margins. So if I recall last quarter when we were talking about Global Products, there was an expectation I think that the margins were going to be kind of closer towards like the low to mid-20s and they came in a lot better. And so my first question is what really surprised to the upside this quarter on global product margins?

Speaker 3

I wouldn't say surprise, right? We always put some conservatism to our guidance to try and make sure we don't surprise to the negative too much. There's two elements that really drove the outsized margin of Global Product in the first quarter. It's first, their ability from a third party revenues endpoint to drive a nice unit growth. That 11% unit growth was a little higher than what our original low to mid 20s first half was contemplating.

Speaker 3

That team has done an excellent job driving that book and bill business, that short cycle business at a very high level. Some of it came from, very transparently from some orders accelerating as some people were positioning inventory prior to the new administration taking control in January, but some of it is really fundamentally better blocking and tackling from a commercial standpoint. The other part is that as the data center vertical growth continues to accelerate, that business saw the benefit both in terminal margin and external margin as we saw a lot of growth in our product sales through our field based business, our Building Solutions business in the other segment. And as you know, a little bit of volume in that business goes a long way, and we saw across the board better volume, better units, particularly on our equipment and our HVAC business that help really absorb those factory, get great productivity and really see a nice margin lift.

Speaker 10

That's super helpful, Mark. I guess maybe just a quick follow-up to that. So was there a way to maybe quantify that kind of tariff loading comment for the first quarter? And then as you think about the second half of the year, it looks like you're inventing about flattish margins. Is that just some conservatism because you're not really sure how the tariffs are going to play out?

Speaker 3

I'll answer the later with one word. Yes, the uncertainty on tariff forced us, so to say, to put some conservatives on how we look at the second half and what it's going to do to margin rate. As far as what that did to the first quarter, I'll point you more in orders than revenue. If you look at that really strong first quarter of order of about 16%, I would say about a third of that was orders that we would have normally probably sown in the second quarter, where customer were just accelerating the orders because they wanted to get the uncertainty associated with not just tariff, but overall the macroeconomic or political landscape and they wanted to get ahead of it. So there's a little bit of volatility in all those as you know, if you look at all those quarter over quarter.

Speaker 3

And so I think this will solidify the year as we start really strongly, but we probably had some benefits in Q1 of orders that we would have normally seen in Q2 and that will probably be reflected in our orders in the second quarter.

Operator

Our next question comes from Noah Kaye from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Thank you. Just looking at the organic sales growth by mix of offerings, Applied, really leading the group here. When we think about the mid single digit organic growth for the year, Mark, can you kind of give us some goalposts for how you think about that among the different offerings? We would assume that Applied will continue to be a leader here, but any color you can provide would be helpful.

Speaker 3

We do see continued growth in applied and also in industrial refrigeration. Both those businesses with the heat pump conversion in Europe as well as the data center globally and manufacturing is a great tailwind for HVAC applied business. Our more transactional business or more electronics business, I'm thinking about our controls business as well as our private security, has a challenge in second half of the year, to be honest with you. The indicator still from a construction standpoint are not super, super strong. They're flattish.

Speaker 3

And that dampens a little bit our ability to grow from that market vertical. We've also been very diligent in driving the commercial team within those businesses to really focus on the subparts of the market that drive service. And so we think that while those particular for the client may be a little bit challenged in the second half of the year from a growth standpoint, not being able to hit double digit, they will at least provide a great base for ability to grow service in the long term.

Speaker 12

Very helpful. Thanks, Mark. And then, you mentioned earlier the real focus on service entitlements for new business. Maybe just refresh us on where that entitlement and the attachment rate related to it fits today and kind of where you see it going over the next year or two?

Speaker 3

Yes. Our attachment rate right now is depending on the business line between the low 40s to the high 40s. The best businesses are higher than that obviously in the 60s and 70s. And where we think ultimately of entitlement is, while I don't want to box myself to an exact number, I always point to industries that have demonstrated an ability to drive a very, very high attach rate. I'm thinking about oil and gas industry or for example, the elevator industry that is able to drive sixty, seventy, maybe sometimes higher than that.

Speaker 3

We feel that's where our entitlement is long term. It means making some change to our operating model, drive more manufacturing for service and a few changes to how we address certain end market, but we think that entitlement is absolutely attainable over the mid to long term.

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Obin from Bank of America.

Speaker 13

Congratulations on successful CEO succession.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 13

Yes. Just a question, I apologize, it was asked. In North America Building Solutions, productivity was a negative $20,000,000 drag. As I said, I apologize if you explained it, but I think it's somewhat unusual. And how should we think about it for the rest of the year?

Speaker 3

Yes, it's a short term thing. So as we continue to see growth opportunity in North America, we've invested in incremental resources to drive against that growth, whether it's our commercial team and continue to hire more seller and more sales support, as well as the ability to drive incremental service and technician to be able to support that growth. And as you go through a large hiring docket like that, What ends up happening in the very short term, you have a little bit of productivity as you onboard those people and make them the best possible self and drive productivity for the rest of the enterprise. So I wouldn't take that small $20,000,000 headwind in the quarter as the new normal for that business. It's really more of an uptick as we as really made investments to continue to fuel that growth.

Speaker 13

Got you. Thank you. And on Fire and Security, mid single digit, nice growth. A, could you just talk about sort of what's driving acceleration EMEA to high single digits global products mid single digits and how sustainable these trends are into the second half?

Speaker 3

Yes, the accelerated growth in EMEA is really around what we've been talking about for the last year almost is we re pivot completely that commercial organization and have taken a little bit more control over which part of the backlog they look at and just basic commercial intensity. We're going to continue to drive that team and we believe that the mid to high single digit non bio and security in that business is going to continue to evolve. I'd say that the mid single digit, that global product you saw in the quarter is twofold. Very strong performance commercially, but kind of an easy compare if you look at the first quarter of last year where we were still reeling out the challenges we saw associated with the cyber incident. And so they had a bit of an easier compare, that team, because they were very impacted by that incident.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sahil Manocha from RBC Capital. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. This is Sahil Manocha on for Deane Dray. Just one quick question for me. With net debt to EBITDA of 2.3 times and a cash position of $1,200,000,000 How are you thinking about capital deployment priorities in the current environment?

Speaker 3

Our capital priorities have not changed. So we'll return 100% of free cash flow back to shareholder this year. The proceed of our divestiture, assuming there's nothing material from an M and A standpoint that comes between now and the fourth quarter, will be 100% return to the shareholder via share repurchases. We will take our discontinued operations business cash flow and use that cash flow to reduce a little bit leverage and to bring it closer to the lower end of our two to 2.5. But our capital allocation and the diligence we have there as a full support of the Board, and it's not going to change anytime soon.

Operator

And our next question comes from Steve Volkmann from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

A couple of questions, I guess, on sort of where you are relative to capacity. So on applied and I guess large chiller specifically, I'm guessing things are fairly tight. Is there some color you can give us on that? And then should we be expecting some capacity additions at some point?

Speaker 3

I would regionalize that answer a little bit. In North America, we have a little bit of capacity, but we are very close to be at capacity. We see obviously a very strong backlog and a continued backlog, so we have great visibility there. In EMEA, we are at capacity. We need to probably expand a little bit capacity to be able to follow the trend we see in data center as well as heat pump.

Speaker 3

And then in Asia Pacific, we still have quite a bit of capacity to be transparent with you because the market has bottomed up, but it hasn't rebounded yet. And so our factories in Asia have the ability to drive a whole lot more growth in the future.

Speaker 14

Okay. All right, great. And then maybe also on the same thread here. I think, Mark, you just said something about adding some additional field engineers, I guess, in systems and service. But where are you on sort of utilizing these folks?

Speaker 14

Is there still upside to that? Do you really need more people in order to grow that business more?

Speaker 3

So our operating model really drives very high level of productivity within our field technician. We are continuously working on tools to make them more productive. We George talked about it in his opening comments. AI is not just a great opportunity for us from a cooling and top line growth standpoint. It's also an incredible opportunity to make our field technician that much more productive.

Speaker 3

Either it's helping them figuring out what the problem is with a particular system or having them standing ready a little faster when it comes to the type of product or services that they need to deliver that field labor because it in our field labor because it's a critical element of our service growth. Our ability to continuously drive service is critical. And as you see us growing services mid to high single digit, productivity will help us rely less on labor, but there's still going to be a labor component and we're going to continuously be searching for the next great talent there.

Operator

Our next question comes from Andy Kaplowitz from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Speaker 8

Good morning, Andy. Hi, Andy.

Speaker 11

So APAC order growth, as you said, was actually quite strong. I know you're still probably a bit cost about calling the all clear there. But can you call a definitive turn in that market with the understanding that it's still a fluid environment given the tariff situation?

Speaker 2

Andy, as we saw early signs of the softness in the region, this goes back over the last eighteen months. We proactively took steps to adapt to the lower demand and ultimately the increased counterparty risk. And though as we rebuild the pipeline, we've now seen very strong rebound here with orders at 32% in the quarter. We believe that we found the bottom and with the current run rate, which is in line with the slower market demand. And so I think based on what we've seen, we've seen real stabilization in the business and now we're really returning to growth, not only in building the backlog, but the way that we're going to convert going forward.

Speaker 2

I think, Andy, what's most important is the way that we continue to build services in spite of some of the pressure on the new systems. Services continues to be strong. We'll continue to help maintain a healthy segment EBITDA margin as well as continuing while we're continuing to rebuild the systems business. So I think we'll see continued growth within Asia Pac, not only recovery in China, but across the overall Asia Pac region.

Speaker 11

And obviously, there's a lot of questions on data centers, which makes sense, but you obviously have a lot of applied verticals and it seems like you're still getting leadership out of healthcare or education, but maybe you can opine on some of these verticals and the visibility that you have. You're seeing improvement in office, for example, like what are you seeing across the verticals?

Speaker 3

Yes. Great question. So we continue to see strong double digit on data center as well as health care and some other vertical. We still don't see any acceleration in what I would call power real estate, which is offices and mixed buildings would fall into that category for us. You still have owners that are trying to figure out what they're going to do with their current asset and you still see some hesitation in making certain investments.

Speaker 3

It's a market that's not declining. It's just not growing at the pace of the other. We have great solutions and product to address that particular vertical as it rebounds, but it's not where we are seeing the most growth. Infrastructure is seeing still some good tailwind from higher commitment from a construction standpoint, and we're still seeing some positive side there. And then everything from a semiconductor manufacturing or cleanroom, biomed manufacturing still globally sees a great tailwind, and I don't think we are going to see a stop to that trend anytime soon.

Operator

The next question comes from Joe O'Dea from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Hi. Sorry about that earlier. Thanks for getting me back in queue.

Operator

Wanted to start on just restructuring and your progress over the course of the quarter. Just revisit kind of how you're thinking about the cost impact in 'twenty five, the savings impact, whether anything is trending kind of ahead or behind the plans there?

Speaker 3

Yes. So our expectation hasn't changed from a cost or timing of it. What I'll tell you is embedded in our guide in the second half, we've seen early signs of progress of the benefits. We started addressing very early on the stranded costs we saw as we were getting close to closing the transaction of our divestiture of the ADTI business as well as the residential and light commercial. And that gave us a little bit of a leg up on our ability to drive some of cost out earlier on.

Speaker 3

I think you're going to see some good sign in the second half of the year from a cost standpoint. But the vast majority of the benefit will really be yielded in fiscal year 'twenty six as we close the transaction in Q4. It will give us an opportunity to really address the vast majority of that stranded cost in the fourth quarter into the first quarter of fiscal year twenty twenty six.

Operator

Great. That's helpful color. And then just wanted to come back to an earlier comment and about pricing going into backlog and talking about sort of selling value to the customer and just to understand your evaluation of the pricing today and the pricing opportunities. And so what goes into kind of evaluating the value you're delivering and to what degree do you think you're being appropriately compensated

Speaker 10

for that?

Speaker 3

Well, it varies on all the different vertical we play. But what I'll tell you is our ability to drive outcome for customer allows us to not have to go into deep detail into what is the actual pricing of each component of the offering we present to them. It's a full solution, it's packaged, and it allows us within our organization to drive best costing and maintain margin at all time. Obviously, things change, whether it's tariff or otherwise, and we have contractual ways to actually address that to change orders with customer. As we actually go and implement those system, the application varies out and most of our contract have an ability for us to address that through a process that is very defined and allows us to most of the time recover not only our cost, but as well the margin and sometimes drive even better value for the customer and JCI.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to George Oliver for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Yes, thanks. To wrap up the call today, this quarter, Jones Controls achieved record setting backlog, double digit organic sales growth and broad based strength across our portfolio. Our strong start to fiscal twenty twenty five is a testament to Johns Control's talented, hardworking team, as well as our unwavering commitment to innovation and operational excellence. And I am confident that YOKEM is well suited to lead Johns Control's next chapter of growth as we build on the strong momentum underway to unlock enhanced value for our stakeholders. With that operator, that concludes our call today.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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