Gaia Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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March 10, 2025

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Gaia's Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Joining us today from Gaia are Yirka Resavi, Executive Chairman James Calhoun, CEO and Ned Preston, CFO. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Before we begin, management team would like to remind everyone that management's prepared remarks contain forward looking statements and management may make additional forward looking statements in response to your questions, including but not limited to statements of expectations, future events or future financial performance.

Operator

These statements do not guarantee future performance and therefore undue reliance should not be placed upon them. Although we believe these expectations are reasonable, Skye's management undertakes no obligation to revise any statements to reflect changes that occur after this call. Actual events or results could differ materially. These statements are based on current expectations of the company's management and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the Risk Factors section of Gaia's latest annual report on Form 10 ks filed with the SEC. All non GAAP financial measures referenced in today's call are reconciled in the company's earnings press release to the most directly comparable GAAP measure.

Operator

This call also contains time sensitive information that is accurate only as of the time and date of this broadcast, 03/10/2025. Finally, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being webcast and a recording will be available on for replay on Gaia's Investor Relations website at ir.kaya.com. I will now turn the call over to Gaia's Executive Chairman, Yirka Rissimi.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, Eriva. During the fourth quarter, our revenue grew 18% to $24,400,000 dollars with gross margin improving to 88.3 from 85.3% at the year ago quarter. Over last month, we raised for the first time in our history, our subscription prices for most of our existing members by at least $2 Even with some member losses caused by the price increase, our member count grew by 6%. Revenue for the year grew 12% to $90,200,000 Our gross profit per employee for the year improved to $730,000 from $660,000 Our ratio of the member lifetime value to our cost of acquisition climbed to over 6x. We had a positive free cash flow for both quarter and full year with the free cash flow improving for about $4,000,000 for the year.

Speaker 1

And James will now speak more about advances in the business.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jirka, and hello everyone. 2024 was a year of strengthening our member base, enhanced retention and delivering strong financial performance as we continue to scale Guy's impact and grow our conscious community. As Jirka mentioned, we successfully executed on positive free cash flow generation for Q4 and the full year. And in addition, we achieved top line revenue growth acceleration of 12% and we aim to accelerate revenue growth further in 2025, while sustaining free cash flow and delivering year on year improvements in earnings per share. Despite the anticipated churn impact from our pricing increase, our members grew at 6% demonstrating the strength of our engaged member base.

Speaker 2

Two notable facts in the strengthening of our member base are that we saw 11% growth in our direct members across high LTV regions, including The U. S, Canada and dark markets, reinforcing strong demand for Gaia's premium content and our commitment to long term member retention paid off with 12% growth in our annual direct member count, supporting both cash flow stability and sustained revenue growth. The Gaia Plus premium membership tier grew by over 25% highlighting the increasing demand for our exclusive content, live events and deeper engagement opportunities. As we drove increases in our annual member base and enhanced retention, deferred revenue on the balance sheet grew by $3,400,000 for the year. Switching to pricing, as Jirka mentioned, for the first time in our history, we successfully transitioned legacy members to the new pricing model in Q4, following a successful test in Q3 in The United Kingdom.

Speaker 2

This resulted in a limited 6.3% churn impact within that specific member cohort by year's end despite the 18% price increase establishing a strong foundation for higher ARPU in future periods. ARPU continued its upward trend year over year and grew to $107 on an annualized basis, driven by our pricing strategy, the full launch of Gaia Marketplace in Q3 and continued expansion of Gaia Plus subscriptions. We anticipate further ARPU increases on an annualized basis, which we will report annually. Our ongoing financial discipline also led to a 19% year over year improvement in EPS, demonstrating our ability to drive efficiency and profitability while growing top line revenue. We aim to continue accelerating margin expansion with further improvements in earnings for 2025 and beyond.

Speaker 2

In Q1 of twenty twenty five, we raised $8,000,000 to accelerate our artificial intelligence and Gaia community initiatives, which we are confident will add substantial long term value for our members and shareholders through driving improvements in retention and growth. Regarding AI, we are on a mission to build the world's first conscious generative AI. While traditional generative AI models have focused on knowledge accumulation and reasoning, our goal is to provide wisdom, training our model on our proprietary data set of conscious content for which we have 98 worldwide rights, making this truly an international initiative. This AI will be integrated into the Gaia platform to enhance the member experience with intelligent, deeply meaningful interactions, further solidifying our leadership in the conscious media space. AI will also power expanded search and discovery tools, enhancing content discoverability, accessibility and engagement.

Speaker 2

Additionally, we are leveraging AI to drive efficiency and language translation with our 11 Labs partnership, making Gaia's content more accessible worldwide, plus utilizing AI driven enhancements to drive operational efficiency, expanding our gross profit per employee. On the community front, Gaia has always been dedicated to fostering a global conscious community. It is at the heart of our mission. This next step in our strategic plan will be the key differentiator between Gaia and other major streamers. Our capital investment will focus on building technology and worldwide network that will grow community engagement, create meaningful connections and expand the network effect of our business.

Speaker 2

Imagine the best of Reddit, Meetup, WhatsApp and Facebook, that's what we're building with Gaia Community. This deeper level of engagement will further personalized connections to Gaia, driving retention and reinforcing the network effect of our business. The AI and community initiatives are planned to roll out with our scheduled 2026 price increase at the end of Q1 next year, which we anticipate will further accelerate top line growth and drive improvements in earnings in the long term. As we continue into 2025, our strategy remains focused on growing our community, enhancing engagement and leveraging technology to further personalize and optimize the member experience. We remain committed to expanding the value of Gaia Plus and scaling Gaia Marketplace ensuring that our premium subscribers receive even more exclusive content, live experiences and unique offerings.

Speaker 2

These efforts will contribute to incremental ARPU growth whilst reinforcing Gaia as the world's leading conscious media and community platform. With these initiatives in place, we are well positioned for another year of accelerated growth, strong cash flow generation and year on year improvements in earnings. And with that, our CFO, Ned Preston, will now provide deeper insights into our financial performance.

Speaker 3

Thank you, James. Revenues for the fourth quarter twenty twenty four increased 18% to $24,400,000 from $20,700,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three, primarily driven by growth of our member base and increasing ARPU. Member growth increased during the year, growing sequentially during the fourth quarter. As James mentioned, despite some member losses due to the price increase, we ended 2024 with a member count of 856,000, up from 806,000 at the end of twenty twenty three. Gross profit in the fourth quarter increased to $21,600,000 from $17,700,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3

Gross margin was 88.3% for the fourth quarter, up from 85.3 in the fourth quarter of last year. Net loss was negative $800,000 or negative $0.03 per share as compared to a net loss of $1,800,000 or negative $0.08 per share in the year ago quarter. With free cash flow improving by $2,200,000 to $600,000 up from $1,600,000 year over year. Shifting to the 2024 full year financial results, revenue for the year was $90,400,000 as compared to $80,400,000 in 2023, representing 12% growth on a year over year basis. Gross profit increased to $77,800,000 from $68,800,000 in 2023.

Speaker 3

Gross margin increased to 86.1 from 85.5%. We expect gross margins to be around 86% for fiscal year '20 '20 '5. Loss for the year was negative $5,400,000 or negative $0.22 per share as compared to a loss of $5,600,000 or negative $0.27 per share for 2023 with increased marketing spend and amortization and an operating cash flow improvement of $1,000,000 For the year, free cash flow improved by $4,000,000 to $2,700,000 up from negative $1,300,000 in the prior year. The cash balance as of 12/31/2024 was $5,900,000 with an unused $10,000,000 line of credit. That completes my summary.

Speaker 3

I'd like to now turn the call back over to Yirka for his closing comments.

Speaker 1

Yes. For the summary, we expect for this year the increasing annual growth rate with continuing growth of ARPU, increasing gross profit per employee, of course, continued generation of positive free cash flow. The price increase we executed last year combined with our new investment in the content, increased investment in content, artificial intelligence and community shall further improve our position. So and this concludes our remarks, I would like to open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll open the line for questions from the company's publishing analysts. Company requests that each participant limit their comments to one question and one follow-up. And our first question comes from Mark Argento from Lake Street Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon guys. Just wanted to drill down a little bit on commentary around expectations of growth in 2025. I think you said, growth will accelerate. Maybe you could just expand on that. Are we looking on a year over year basis?

Speaker 4

Are we looking sequentially up with Q4? Maybe if you could drill down on that a little bit that would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey Mark, it's Ned Preston. So yes, really our statement there is really on an annual basis. You just heard us say that we grew and 24% on an annual basis. So we look to accelerate there north of 12%.

Speaker 3

We did make a significant sequential move back in Q4 of last year with our quarterly revenue moving up from around $22,000,000 to over $24,000,000 So we do look to sequentially grow and starting here in Q1 as well. But really the suggestions earlier were really north of 12 on an annual basis.

Speaker 4

That's helpful. And then just quickly on AI, maybe you could just talk a little bit about what you're intending to do there. You launch in your own language model, are you going to leverage some existing AI tech? What could we expect to see from you guys in and around AI?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Mark. Regarding AI, we're essentially a rapid play. We're building the infrastructure now where we will be piped in to multiple LLMs so we can switch between them. Essentially, we're building, an integrated version of search, a generative AI model where people can, you know, have conversations essentially with our content library and also with, experts on our platform that have large amounts of content.

Speaker 2

And it'll be fully integrated into the product experience just like other major, tech companies have integrated AI into their product experience. And this is something we'll be rolling out in Q1 of next year alongside price increase. And we see it as a really positive way for members to interact in a more deep way with our content in a modern way that they're used to with these AI models becoming more mainstream.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks. I'll hop back in the queue.

Speaker 1

Yes. Just since James mentioned price increase, we plan to do another $2

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from George Kelly with Roth Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking the questions. First, curious with respect to the pricing increase that you took in late twenty twenty four, how much is filtered through your member base at this point? And are you still in early twenty twenty five seeing kind of stable retention in all the member metrics? Is it consistent with your expectations?

Speaker 2

Hi, George, it's James here. Yes, so correct, we increased it in Q4 of last year and we had The UK cohort start in Q3. We have a blend of monthly and annual members. And so all of the annual members will have transitioned to new pricing by the end of Q4. And yet we still have the annual members that will be upgrading throughout the rest of the year.

Speaker 2

So we're seeing that continue through till October, which was when we first announced the price increase on the majority of our member base, our direct member base. So I would say we had more than half of the price increase go through by the end of the year and we have a little bit less than 50% that will be flowing through from January on to October of twenty twenty five. In terms of the churn impact, the second part of your question, as we've gone through the member base in Q1 of this year, it's gone up slightly from our 6.3% that we had at the end of last year, but we're still more than making the delta on the price increase. So price increase was roughly 18%, half of that is 7.5%, We're still sitting under that from a churn impact perspective, so making more than the delta on that increase.

Speaker 5

Okay, understood. Thank you. And then second question on Ignaton. I was curious if you're still planning to launch sometime this spring and if you could give any detail around price point and like expectations. You mentioned Mark's question just about your revenue guidance expecting an acceleration this year, like how are you baking in Igniton and just anything about that launch would be helpful?

Speaker 1

Okay. So we plan to actually launch plan to introduce the brand somewhere in May, June timeframe and start to kind of sell in July. So it would be second part of the year. We made recently like last week on a board decision to discontinue our direct like self standing courses. And so which was for last year about $1,100,000 and we expect the Igniton will bring more than that in second part of the year.

Speaker 5

Okay, understood. Thank you.

Speaker 1

And did you want to ask more about that?

Speaker 5

Are you asking me, Yurika?

Speaker 1

Yes, if the answer is what you're looking for.

Speaker 5

Okay, sure. Yes, yes. No, I'm happy to. I appreciate it. Well, I mean, it representing more than $1,100,000 is a little broad.

Speaker 5

So it's just such an open ended thing and maybe it is to a certain degree for you too. So you're just not wanting to give too much data, but like what do you prefer?

Speaker 1

We have no idea until we sell the first few months how it's going to be received.

Speaker 5

Okay, fair enough. We'll just leave it there for now then.

Speaker 6

Okay.

Speaker 1

Thanks.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from James Sidoti with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. So, I think I heard Yirka say that you put another $2 price increase. When does that go into effect?

Speaker 2

Hi, Jim. It's James here. So, yes, Yirka mentioned it would be a $2 increase. So last year, we increased from US11.99 dollars to US13.99 dollars on our monthly membership and we plan to increase that to US15.99 dollars by the end of Q1 in 2026. And we would then parlay that US dollar amount into overseas currencies generally on a one for one basis.

Speaker 2

Some territories we are more localized and we might be a little lower. Instance, LatAm, we have slightly lower pricing compared to USD, but most other territories were on parity or even slightly above.

Speaker 6

All right. So I take it the fact that you are planning this another round of price increases. You're pretty happy with the results of the first round and the nutrition rate from the first round?

Speaker 2

That's correct, Jim. I think we're very impressed with the results from the first round of price increases. It was something sensitive for us as an organization as typically we've grandfathered members on legacy pricing. So like Yurika and I mentioned, this was the first time in the company's history where we increased prices for legacy members on old pricing. And the results were excellent.

Speaker 2

I also feel that the market in the streaming space is much more familiar and comfortable with price increases that roll out to existing members. So it's more that we're just coming to the standard in the market now and still trailing generally in terms of Netflix's standard pricing in most territories, but accelerating further to stay in lockstep with them.

Speaker 1

Yes, on the March, just for James said before, our net gain was roughly 10% of the

Speaker 6

price. Got it. Got it.

Speaker 3

And Jim, one other point on hey Jim, it's Ned. One other point on that price increase just to connect a couple of the dots we've talked about today. Is a lot of the investment that we went into on the AI and community front. A lot of those improvements will be coming out in the same time of next year. So as we're increasing the prices and for all the reasons that James and Yirka just shared with you, We'll also be having some enhancements from AI and community standpoint that our members existing and new would benefit from.

Speaker 6

Okay. And when you launch the Ignatant products, I assume that's going to be launched to your existing customer base. So should that minimize the amount of increased sales and marketing costs since you're basically going to be selling to your own customers now or do you expect to invest in additional sales and marketing?

Speaker 1

I would say the sales and marketing costs will be roughly same as the other around 40% because, yes, we're selling through Gaia marketplace, but also we'll sell Igniton, we'll sell them independently and obviously would have a launch. So that's going to be the launch of new product, which will be distributed through the Igniton already has distribution, have about 57 distributors above 50 countries today. So it will go through that network as well to start.

Speaker 6

And then last one is a balance sheet question. You have about $6,000,000 in debt, it's moved into short term debt. What's the will you finance that with another loan or used a lot of credit? What's the plans for that?

Speaker 3

Yes. Good catch there, Jim. Yes, that just is a change from an accounting standpoint based on our current loan. We plan to re up and do a very similar arrangement going forward later this year and it just flipped into a new category. But our expectation is to continue on with the same approach.

Speaker 1

This is a mortgage on our campus. It's not really how we don't draw anything on our $10,000,000 credit line. So this is about $5,900,000 I think we have a mortgage on real estate was probably three to four times the value. Correct. But if we're going to definitely pay a little more interest than we had before on a mortgage, but we also grow our cash balance or we start to gain some interest.

Speaker 1

Correct.

Operator

Thanks for clarifying.

Speaker 6

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, this does conclude our question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back to Mr. Riz Aviv for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you everyone for joining and we look forward to speak with you when we report our Q1 results on May 12. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you for joining us today for Guy's fourth quarter and full year conference call. You may now disconnect at this time.

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