NASDAQ:HPK HighPeak Energy Q4 2024 Earnings Report $8.55 -0.14 (-1.61%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$8.56 +0.00 (+0.06%) As of 07:58 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast HighPeak Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.06Consensus EPS $0.13Beat/MissMissed by -$0.07One Year Ago EPS$0.66HighPeak Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$234.81 millionExpected Revenue$247.32 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$12.51 millionYoY Revenue Growth-22.00%HighPeak Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date3/10/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, March 11, 2025Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsHighPeak Energy's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by HighPeak Energy Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 11, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00and thank you for standing by. Welcome to High Peak Energy twenty twenty four Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:34I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Stephen Tholen, CFO. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:43Good morning, everyone, and welcome to High Peak Energy's fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings call. Representing High Peak today are Chairman and CEO, Jack Hightower President, Michael Hollis and I am Stephen Tholen, the Chief Financial Officer. During today's call, we will make reference to our March investor presentation and our fourth quarter earnings release, which can be found on High Peak's website. Today's call participants may make certain forward looking statements related to the company's financial condition, results of operations, expectations, plans, goals, assumptions and future performance. So please refer to the cautionary information regarding forward looking statements and related risks in the company's SEC filings, including the fact that actual results may differ materially from our expectations due to a variety of reasons, many of which are beyond our control. Speaker 100:01:49We will also refer to certain non GAAP financial measures on today's call, so please see the reconciliations in the earnings release and in our March investor presentation. I will now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Jack Hightower. Speaker 200:02:08Thank you, Steve, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us today. My prepared remarks will begin on Slide four of our March investor presentation. So, if everybody has had a chance to do that and hopefully everybody has had a chance to review our press release. But before we turn the focus of today's call towards our 25 plans and guidance, I want to take a few minutes to highlight the tremendous success that we realized during last year's business. As you recall, going into 2024 calendar year, we laid out a set of core values, which included maintaining disciplined operations, strengthening our balance sheet and maximizing shareholder value. Speaker 200:02:54Maintaining disciplined operations incorporated our plan of maintenance level CapEx to hold production volumes flat, while aggressively focusing our attention on reducing our cost structure, both on the CapEx and OpEx side of the equation. Not only did we achieve our goals, we delivered significant improvements across the board. Our efficient two rig program delivered a 10% increase in production year over year. This was a significant beat compared to our initial 24 expectations of flat production volumes. We're continuing to realize strong production performance across the acreage position, which includes our extension areas in the Middle Spraberry Zone and that is extremely exciting. Speaker 200:03:47We increased our proved reserves by almost 30% to year end 2023 and that considers utilizing lower SEC guideline process for calendar year 2024. We not only continued to organically increase our acreage position, but we've already drilled wells and have demonstrated proven results on our new acreage that is similar to the core areas of our field. Our operations team continued hard work and intense focus translated to a 17% decrease in our lease operating expenses on a BOE basis. This is impressive as we have added a lot of new acreage and are tying those areas into our efficient infrastructure. We lowered our absolute debt by $120,000,000 during 'twenty four. Speaker 200:04:40We will pay down another $30,000,000 of our term loan balance at the March, and we were able to achieve 10% production increase in conjunction with a capital spend that was 40% less than in 2023. All these positive achievements translate into Hyatt continuing to improve our overall corporate efficiency, which is a theme that I will come back to here in a few slides as we discuss our 2025 outlook. Now, if you'll turn to Slide five, our key objectives slide and pillars of success. We're going to maintain capital discipline, especially in light of current market conditions, which remain volatile due to external factors. We will remain focused on continuing to improve our corporate efficiency, which is evidenced by our anticipated flat production volumes coupled with a two rig maintenance capital budget that is approximately 20% lower than in 2024. Speaker 200:05:50We will look to optimize our capital structure, which we anticipate will significantly reduce our interest expense burden and consequently increase our levered free cash flow. And we will continue to pursue shareholder friendly initiatives, which include paying down absolute debt, maintaining our dividend and opportunistically buying back shares. Now, I'd like everyone to turn to Slide six and take a few minutes talking about the last quarter's results. The fourth quarter was another solid quarter for us on all fronts. Production continued to average over 50,000 BOEs per day. Speaker 200:06:35And as you can see on the slide, we're off to another strong start in the first quarter as our volumes have averaged over 52,000 barrels a day. We are also able to reduce our lease operating expenses during the year and expect them to remain steady in 2025. The value of our proved reserves increased by 17% to the prior year. And again, that considers utilizing lower SEC guideline commodity process. Our 2024 EBITDA was roughly flat year over year, even though oil prices were lower on average during 2024. Speaker 200:07:17I'd also like to point out that our fourth quarter CapEx was a little higher than we originally anticipated. This was a result of some efficiency gains that we are realizing on the drilling and completion side of our business that allowed us to pull forward some drilling and stimulation activities into late twenty twenty four and to a lesser extent was also a result of initiating a couple of our key twenty twenty five infrastructure projects in the last year's business. We ended the year at just over 1.2x levered and we remain in a very healthy financial position, even in light of oil prices declining. On the shareholder value front, throughout 2024, we reduced our absolute debt by 120,000,000 paid out roughly $22,000,000 in dividends and repurchased approximately 2,400,000.0 shares of stock, equating to shareholder friendly initiatives of about $177,000,000 Again, 2024 was a very successful year for High Peak and we expect to continue to build off of that positive momentum in 2025. Now, I'm going to turn the call over to Mike Hollis, our President, and he's going to walk you through the next exciting slides. Speaker 300:08:40Thanks, Jack. Now turning to Slide seven. As Jack mentioned, we are continuing to see improved well results across our entire acreage. This helped translate to a 29% increase in our proved reserves year over year, which includes a 36% increase in our proved developed reserves. I would like to mention that our PUD reserves value is very conservative. Speaker 300:09:11It only includes roughly 200 of our remaining 700 Wolfcamp A and Lower Spraberry locations and no material Middle Spraberry PUDs. High Peak has had an impressive CAGR of 72% on our net proved reserves from year end 2020, especially considering that nearly 100% of our production growth has been through the drill bit. Our reserve growth translated to a notable reserve replacement of 345%. This includes extensions of 45,000,000 Boe and positive revisions of 18,000,000 Boe. And that's another strong statement. Speaker 300:09:58In spite of lower SEC pricings in 2024, Hypeak had upward revisions that virtually offset the 18,300,000 Boe we produced for the calendar year. Now turning to Slide eight. Now for one of the most important slides in the deck. We continue to achieve improved well performance across the board. This chart on the right shows our average performance over certain time periods going back to 2023. Speaker 300:10:32And as you can see, our results have continued to steadily improve. I'll take this opportunity to counter the naysayers over the last several years that implied that Hytheek's ability to generate high returns would degrade quickly as they have already drilled all of their good locations. Well, the results speak for themselves. As you can see on the map, the stars represent our recent activity and they are all representative of High Peak's decade and a half of primary inventory. I look forward to helping folks understand what has been missed in the past. Speaker 300:11:14As I've already discussed in the last quarter's call, the red stars on the map are the Judith A3H in the Callas Middle Spraberry well. These wells as well as what we and Allstate operators have drilled even further east of what is shown by the stars have achieved IPs of over 1,000 barrels of oil per day and associated gas. We now have our second Middle Spraberry well on production. It's an early flowback producing approximately 400 barrels of oil a day and associated gas. And we expect this well to match the production capability of our first Middle Spraberry well. Speaker 300:12:00This delineates five miles north and south in the hard flat top. And you may remember that I said virtually no Middle Spraberry PUDs were in our 2024 reserve report. It would be reasonable to assume that this will change in our 2025 reserve report. Now turning to slide nine. As we've discussed on previous calls, High P is absolutely differentiated from our peers due to the depth of our high quality inventory rich portfolio. Speaker 300:12:38Our technical and land teams have done a fantastic job of organically adding inventory to the extent that we have successfully replaced our inventory in our primary Wolfcamp A And Lower Spraberry zones year over year. And these aren't just sticks on the map. Again, we have actively been drilling in our expansion areas and have proven results in both formations that meet or beat our previous core areas in the field. Our bread and butter Wolfcamp A And Lower Spraberry wells have almost fifteen years of remaining inventory at our current two rig development cadence. And as we've mentioned on last quarter's call, we continue to delineate the Middle Sprayberry zone and at our current cost structure would potentially add more than 200 additional locations in our flattop area to our sub-fifty dollars breakeven inventory. Speaker 300:13:41Now turning to Slide 10. The key themes of our 2025 development plan remain consistent. Maintain capital discipline, prioritize what we can control, OpEx and CapEx, and continue to increase our overall corporate efficiency by holding production flat with less CapEx. We are going to continue our steady and efficient two rig development program with a primary focus of co developing our high return Wolfcamp A and Lower Spraberry zones, in addition to continuing our thoughtful and strategic delineation of the Middle Spraberry. This plan is level loaded, meaning we'll stay steady with our two rig and one frac crew throughout the year with the caveat that as Jack mentioned earlier, we are continuing to realize some efficiency gains on the D and C side, which translates into more work being done with the same number of rigs. Speaker 300:14:49As noted on Slide 10, we will realize about 33% of our annual budget in the first quarter. The majority of our 25 infrastructure projects are already in progress, causing our full year 2025 CapEx budget to be first half weighted. Also during the first quarter, we picked up a second spot completion crew to complete a four well pad, again drilling efficiencies outpacing original plans. As noted on our 2025 guidance, we have committed to some very important one time infrastructure projects that are also weighted to the first half of the year. Over the past fifteen months, we have added 30,000 net acres to our flattop position. Speaker 300:15:45Our first priority was establishing commercial proven success on this newly acquired acreage, which we have now demonstrated. Second step is to now connect all of these extension areas through our core life of field infrastructure system, which includes our company owned water system and our overhead electrical power distribution system, as well as we're doing some additional work on expanding our low pressure gas gathering system to all areas of our field. And we're also connecting our gathering system to additional takeaway outlets with other midstream partners. This will provide us with valuable redundancy in situations where our primary providers are down due to maintenance projects or experience capacity constraints. These projects are very important for the full development over the life of our field. Speaker 300:16:46Now focusing on our improving corporate efficiency. A few key things I would like to draw your attention to. Our 2025 development plan is anticipated to deliver similar production volumes coupled with a capital budget that's inclusive of these one time infrastructure projects that I just detailed that is over 20% lower than last year. And if we look ahead to the future and factoring in not having these one time 2025 projects, but also taking into account that our base infrastructure budget will continue to decrease compared to years past, assuming we don't continue to add new acreage at the same pace that we have, you could be looking at an all in maintenance CapEx budget that could be close to 30% less in 2026 over our lower budget in 2025 that's 20% lower than our previous year of 2024, thus providing a significant increase to our overall corporate efficiency and ultimately translating to more free cash flow for the company. Another item I'd like to point out, even though our 2025 guided turn in line range is slightly less than last year's, on a lateral footage basis, we are expecting to complete roughly 5% more lateral footage on a year over year basis, again, for a substantially lower all in capital budget. Speaker 300:18:27The Hi P team has built an extremely efficient machine designed for the long haul. We know there's always room for additional improvement and we have the right team in place to realize those gains. With my comments now complete, I'll turn the call back over to Jack to discuss High Peak's current capitalization. Speaker 200:18:47Thanks, Mike, and congratulations on a very successful 2024 and what we expect to be an even more efficient program this year. Now turning to Slide 11. Ladies and gentlemen, we wanted to include a slide highlighting our current capitalization for a few reasons. First, as everyone is aware, our current term loan carries a very high cost of capital at SOFR plus seven fifty basis points. Last year, this equated to roughly a 13% average interest rate, very high, which translated into about $150,000,000 of annual cash interest expense. Speaker 200:19:31One of our primary 2025 objectives is to transition to a more traditional capital structure. We anticipate this would lead to significant cash interest expense savings, materially extend our debt maturities and further increase our liquidity, remove the mandatory amortization associated with our term loan, providing High Peak with more flexibility and paying down debt at par. We have the freedom to navigate and choose our own path as High Peak is currently in a very healthy financial position with a reasonable amount of leverage and full liquidity, no near term debt maturities and a demonstrated track record of operating within cash flow and paying down absolute debt. However, normal way financing would materially improve our corporate structure and our financial position even further. This is something we're going to work on Speaker 300:20:33when Speaker 200:20:35our make whole provision expires March 12. The key takeaways, if you turn now to Slide 12, the key takeaways that I'd like to leave everyone with today are, we've built a very efficient machine here at High Peak. We expect to continue to build off of our twenty twenty four improvements. We've successfully continued to expand our large contiguous acreage position and have demonstrated strong well results in our expansion areas and some of our upside zones. We expect to continue that success going forward. Speaker 200:21:16Our well performance has continued to improve across acreage across our entire acreage block, while we have simultaneously lowered our drilling and completion costs, which translate into better overall returns for the company. We have a long runway of oily high value inventory, which is underpinned by roughly fifteen years of locations in our bread and butter Wolfcamp A and Loyersprayberry formations. Our intense focus on operational efficiency covered with our advantageous life of field infrastructure system continued to deliver peer leading margins. We're in a very healthy financial position, which we expect will be further enhanced as we look to optimize our capital structure. Our corporate efficiency is projected to continue to improve, highlighted by flat production volumes combined with a 20% lower capital budget this year. Speaker 200:22:15All these things ultimately lead to Hypeak being positioned for sustainable long term success. And with that, we'd like to open up the call to questions and we will answer any questions that you have. Thank you. Operator00:22:36Thank Our first question comes from the line of John White from Roth MKM Capital. Speaker 400:23:04Good morning and congratulations on the nice result, especially your improved report. Can you hear me okay? Speaker 300:23:23Barely. John, if you could speak up a little bit, we could barely hear you, buddy. Speaker 400:23:27Yes. I said congratulations on the nice results, especially your proved reserve report. Speaker 200:23:36Thank you. Speaker 400:23:39For 2025, how many Middle Spraberry wells are you planning? Speaker 300:23:46John, that's a great question. We've had fantastic results from our first two Middle Spraberry tests, the first being a couple of quarters ago that we announced. Our second Middle Spraberry well is in early flowback today. It looks very similar to the first well. I think it would be reasonable to expect us to be prudent and cautious as we step out and delineate the Middle Spraberry. Speaker 300:24:14The great thing is we have 200 locations up just in Flat Top that we suspect will be as good as what we're seeing here. Again, through 2025, I would think the number would be two to three additional wells this year would be reasonable. And CapEx kind of breakout, we get this question a lot between Flattop and signal peak, almost follows the acreage distribution between Flattop and Signal Peak, kind of 70%, thirty %, seventy % of that CapEx being kind of co developed Lower Spraberry and Wolfcamp A mostly in Flattop with again that kind of two to three Middle Spraberry wells that we would expect to do later in the year. And the remaining kind of 30% being sent down in Signal P. Speaker 400:25:08Okay. So all the Middle Spraberry wells for 2025 are going to be in Flat Top and none in Signal P. Is that right? Speaker 300:25:17That's what we're anticipating today. Again, there's some middle Spraberry wells that offset operators had drilled near our signal peak areas, and we're watching that obviously. But as we sit today, we're looking to delineate up in flattop as our main priority. Yes. Speaker 400:25:40Okay. Well, thanks very much and good luck in 2025. Speaker 300:25:45All right. Thank you, John. Operator00:25:48Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Robertson from Water Tower Research. Speaker 500:25:59Thanks. Good morning. Mike, when you spoke about infrastructure improvements, you talked about improving HIFEC's ability to handle gas volumes and deliver those to more potential outlets. Speaker 300:26:12Does that also have an Speaker 500:26:13impact on your ability to move more oil barrels by being able to effectively capture and sell gas? Speaker 300:26:23You bet, Jeff. No, that's a great question. And to that point, yes, we have made great strides in improving our infrastructure out to some of these newly acquired acreage positions that we've tested. Again, your first well or two, you don't have your entire infrastructure built out. So we did have some gas volumes that had to go to flare early on that are all now tied in. Speaker 300:26:52So that's increased some of it. To your point, had you not built out the infrastructure, there is a time limit to how long you could test an area before you have to have a solution for moving those gas molecules. And there's obviously value associated with those gas molecules. And one of our hedge position, you can see that we layered on some additional gas hedges. We layered it about 30,000 MMBTU a day from March of twenty twenty five to February of twenty twenty six at about $4.43 per MMBTU. Speaker 300:27:33Again, gas will never be a huge part of Hytheek's production with our current acreage position, again, because we do have such an oily mixture of our BOE. So we're very low API gravity oil barrel as well. We run about 36, 30 seven gravity on average. So when you look at our reserve report and you see that our oil percentage for the life of all these wells that are in that report moved from about 70% at 2023 year end to about 68% in year end 2024. That's more of what I think you're going to see for the next decade or so from high peak. Speaker 300:28:21We've been in maintenance mode for about a year and a half now. We were drilling with six rigs back in 2023. So I think what you've seen is things level out. And if I was looking from a modeling standpoint, I would think kind of low to mid 70% oil range and kind of that 85 ish percent liquids as a go forward for IP. Speaker 500:28:49Thanks. And when you think about corporate efficiency over the next several years, you've talked about being a or twenty twenty four growing production with less cash flow and expect that to be the I'm sorry, less CapEx and expect that to be the case in 2025 and likely in 2026. How does the infrastructure build out support your efficiency goals for the company? Speaker 300:29:14You bet, Jeff. No, great questions. Again, this infrastructure, you see that in our LOE. This infrastructure also helps us on the CapEx side to a lesser degree. For instance, we can run rigs off of Highline power. Speaker 300:29:30We have ample recycled fluid that we can utilize for our frac crews. We run as high as 100 recycled fluid on our frac jobs, again helping CapEx and OpEx. So as we build this infrastructure and tie everything together, it definitely improves the things we like to be able to control, again drilling OpEx, CapEx costs. Now whenever we look forward into 2025 and 2026, I think you hit on a very important point. We talk about being 20% less CapEx as a maintenance mode inclusive of some one time and we tried to break this out on the guidance slide. Speaker 300:30:16The one time infrastructure that we have to put in, once it's there, it's there for the life of field. But then if you also look at the line that breaks out the kind of midpoint of $45,000,000 for infrastructure. Again, just a little bit of clarity from Hytate, it's a little different than our peers. Again, I always like to call it blood, guts and feathers. When we give our D and C CapEx, if you notice, we know that it's drilling, completion, equipping the facilities for those wells, as well as a little bit of capitalized flow back water. Speaker 300:30:54So all in blood, guts and feathers is the D and C portion of the guidance. Now the $45,000,000 that's anything that is not on the well pad. So that's pipelines, overhead electric that tie in some of these new areas. So again, assuming that we don't go and put on another 30,000 acres in 2026, what you will see is that $45,000,000 line will also decrease. If I was a betting guy, I would say it would be about half or less of that $45,000,000 And of course, the one time piece goes away. Speaker 300:31:34All else being equal, that would reduce our 2026 budget by roughly 30%, again, being in a maintenance mode relatively flat. Now I mentioned that in 2023, we were running six rigs. We've been kind of in maintenance mode for a year and a half. What you're starting to see with Highpeak is the maturity, right, of our asset. Our corporate decline is beginning to come down. Speaker 300:32:02So again, when you look into the future, it's going to take less wells and completed feet to hold that production flat, which might translate into a couple percentage gain each year at even while we're staying at a maintenance CapEx mode because again we're can't fine tune down to the exact number of completed lateral feet to stay perfectly flat. But as our production base ages and corporate decline goes down, you'll see a slight build in production even at the two rig program. Again, all growing corporate efficiency, increasing free cash flow, again, allowing us to pay down debt. Again, at par, we assume if in the future we had normal way financing, we would be able to do that at par. Speaker 500:32:56And operationally, Mike, is it fair to think then that the infrastructure that will be in place with the current plan essentially sets the asset base up such that you could scale capital depending on the amount of cash flow you have and just the prevailing economic conditions? Great Speaker 300:33:16question. Hy Vee is again uniquely positioned with our asset base and our land position to do or to have the flexibility to go either way. If you remember, we were running six rigs back in 2023. This life of field infrastructure was built such that we could flex upwards to six, eight rigs if needed. We have the capacity through all these lines to move that type of volume. Speaker 300:33:46But also this land position, if for instance, oil prices were to drop precipitously lower than they are today and we had to slow down activity, we can hold through the drill bit all of the acreage at High Peak has the 143,000 acres with less than one rig running. So again, it gives High Peak the flexibility to take advantage of any kind of pricing environment that we have either now or in the future. Speaker 500:34:17If I could switch gears quickly to the capitalization, if you reduce the borrowing costs on the term loan by 100 basis points, Speaker 300:34:26I Speaker 500:34:26think it would be about $10,000,000 that would fall straight to free cash flow. Can you talk about Speaker 300:34:34I'm sorry, go ahead, Jeff. Speaker 500:34:36How do you weigh the merits of reducing debt under a new capital structure and buying back shares? Speaker 200:34:48Actually, I'll answer that question, Jeff. If you look at what our borrowing base, our rate is on our term loan with Fitch and of course we'd have new rating agency numbers as we go forward with a potential bond transaction or normalized capital structure. And based on that right now, you would expect, as you say, roughly $10,000,000 per basis point, but if you go from, let's say, hypothetically 8% down from 13%, that's almost $50,000,000 And then if you eliminate the amortization on that, you've got almost $170,000,000 As Mike said earlier, in terms of negative with oil prices going down, the flip side is if they go up and we decided to increase drilling, we have that flexibility too. So we have a lot of variability in our plan to do that. And with corporate efficiency improving also, we are going to be adding to our free cash flow. Speaker 200:36:08And by adding to our free cash flow, that's where we would be able to reduce debt and do it very quickly, should we choose to do so. And in fact, internally when we model it, we can literally pay off a large RBL and a corporate bond in less than five years, if we want to just maintain where we are today. Speaker 500:36:36Okay. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:36:38Thank you, Jeff. Operator00:36:41Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallHighPeak Energy Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xRemove Ads Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Annual report(10-K) HighPeak Energy Earnings HeadlinesHighPeak Energy: A Far More Mature Company Just Above The Going Public PriceApril 15 at 2:05 PM | seekingalpha.comHighPeak Energy: $60 Oil Complicates Its Term Loan RefinancingApril 15 at 12:50 PM | seekingalpha.comNow I look stupid. Real stupid... I thought what happened 25 years ago was a once- in-a-lifetime event… but how wrong I was. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00and thank you for standing by. Welcome to High Peak Energy twenty twenty four Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:34I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Stephen Tholen, CFO. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:43Good morning, everyone, and welcome to High Peak Energy's fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings call. Representing High Peak today are Chairman and CEO, Jack Hightower President, Michael Hollis and I am Stephen Tholen, the Chief Financial Officer. During today's call, we will make reference to our March investor presentation and our fourth quarter earnings release, which can be found on High Peak's website. Today's call participants may make certain forward looking statements related to the company's financial condition, results of operations, expectations, plans, goals, assumptions and future performance. So please refer to the cautionary information regarding forward looking statements and related risks in the company's SEC filings, including the fact that actual results may differ materially from our expectations due to a variety of reasons, many of which are beyond our control. Speaker 100:01:49We will also refer to certain non GAAP financial measures on today's call, so please see the reconciliations in the earnings release and in our March investor presentation. I will now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Jack Hightower. Speaker 200:02:08Thank you, Steve, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us today. My prepared remarks will begin on Slide four of our March investor presentation. So, if everybody has had a chance to do that and hopefully everybody has had a chance to review our press release. But before we turn the focus of today's call towards our 25 plans and guidance, I want to take a few minutes to highlight the tremendous success that we realized during last year's business. As you recall, going into 2024 calendar year, we laid out a set of core values, which included maintaining disciplined operations, strengthening our balance sheet and maximizing shareholder value. Speaker 200:02:54Maintaining disciplined operations incorporated our plan of maintenance level CapEx to hold production volumes flat, while aggressively focusing our attention on reducing our cost structure, both on the CapEx and OpEx side of the equation. Not only did we achieve our goals, we delivered significant improvements across the board. Our efficient two rig program delivered a 10% increase in production year over year. This was a significant beat compared to our initial 24 expectations of flat production volumes. We're continuing to realize strong production performance across the acreage position, which includes our extension areas in the Middle Spraberry Zone and that is extremely exciting. Speaker 200:03:47We increased our proved reserves by almost 30% to year end 2023 and that considers utilizing lower SEC guideline process for calendar year 2024. We not only continued to organically increase our acreage position, but we've already drilled wells and have demonstrated proven results on our new acreage that is similar to the core areas of our field. Our operations team continued hard work and intense focus translated to a 17% decrease in our lease operating expenses on a BOE basis. This is impressive as we have added a lot of new acreage and are tying those areas into our efficient infrastructure. We lowered our absolute debt by $120,000,000 during 'twenty four. Speaker 200:04:40We will pay down another $30,000,000 of our term loan balance at the March, and we were able to achieve 10% production increase in conjunction with a capital spend that was 40% less than in 2023. All these positive achievements translate into Hyatt continuing to improve our overall corporate efficiency, which is a theme that I will come back to here in a few slides as we discuss our 2025 outlook. Now, if you'll turn to Slide five, our key objectives slide and pillars of success. We're going to maintain capital discipline, especially in light of current market conditions, which remain volatile due to external factors. We will remain focused on continuing to improve our corporate efficiency, which is evidenced by our anticipated flat production volumes coupled with a two rig maintenance capital budget that is approximately 20% lower than in 2024. Speaker 200:05:50We will look to optimize our capital structure, which we anticipate will significantly reduce our interest expense burden and consequently increase our levered free cash flow. And we will continue to pursue shareholder friendly initiatives, which include paying down absolute debt, maintaining our dividend and opportunistically buying back shares. Now, I'd like everyone to turn to Slide six and take a few minutes talking about the last quarter's results. The fourth quarter was another solid quarter for us on all fronts. Production continued to average over 50,000 BOEs per day. Speaker 200:06:35And as you can see on the slide, we're off to another strong start in the first quarter as our volumes have averaged over 52,000 barrels a day. We are also able to reduce our lease operating expenses during the year and expect them to remain steady in 2025. The value of our proved reserves increased by 17% to the prior year. And again, that considers utilizing lower SEC guideline commodity process. Our 2024 EBITDA was roughly flat year over year, even though oil prices were lower on average during 2024. Speaker 200:07:17I'd also like to point out that our fourth quarter CapEx was a little higher than we originally anticipated. This was a result of some efficiency gains that we are realizing on the drilling and completion side of our business that allowed us to pull forward some drilling and stimulation activities into late twenty twenty four and to a lesser extent was also a result of initiating a couple of our key twenty twenty five infrastructure projects in the last year's business. We ended the year at just over 1.2x levered and we remain in a very healthy financial position, even in light of oil prices declining. On the shareholder value front, throughout 2024, we reduced our absolute debt by 120,000,000 paid out roughly $22,000,000 in dividends and repurchased approximately 2,400,000.0 shares of stock, equating to shareholder friendly initiatives of about $177,000,000 Again, 2024 was a very successful year for High Peak and we expect to continue to build off of that positive momentum in 2025. Now, I'm going to turn the call over to Mike Hollis, our President, and he's going to walk you through the next exciting slides. Speaker 300:08:40Thanks, Jack. Now turning to Slide seven. As Jack mentioned, we are continuing to see improved well results across our entire acreage. This helped translate to a 29% increase in our proved reserves year over year, which includes a 36% increase in our proved developed reserves. I would like to mention that our PUD reserves value is very conservative. Speaker 300:09:11It only includes roughly 200 of our remaining 700 Wolfcamp A and Lower Spraberry locations and no material Middle Spraberry PUDs. High Peak has had an impressive CAGR of 72% on our net proved reserves from year end 2020, especially considering that nearly 100% of our production growth has been through the drill bit. Our reserve growth translated to a notable reserve replacement of 345%. This includes extensions of 45,000,000 Boe and positive revisions of 18,000,000 Boe. And that's another strong statement. Speaker 300:09:58In spite of lower SEC pricings in 2024, Hypeak had upward revisions that virtually offset the 18,300,000 Boe we produced for the calendar year. Now turning to Slide eight. Now for one of the most important slides in the deck. We continue to achieve improved well performance across the board. This chart on the right shows our average performance over certain time periods going back to 2023. Speaker 300:10:32And as you can see, our results have continued to steadily improve. I'll take this opportunity to counter the naysayers over the last several years that implied that Hytheek's ability to generate high returns would degrade quickly as they have already drilled all of their good locations. Well, the results speak for themselves. As you can see on the map, the stars represent our recent activity and they are all representative of High Peak's decade and a half of primary inventory. I look forward to helping folks understand what has been missed in the past. Speaker 300:11:14As I've already discussed in the last quarter's call, the red stars on the map are the Judith A3H in the Callas Middle Spraberry well. These wells as well as what we and Allstate operators have drilled even further east of what is shown by the stars have achieved IPs of over 1,000 barrels of oil per day and associated gas. We now have our second Middle Spraberry well on production. It's an early flowback producing approximately 400 barrels of oil a day and associated gas. And we expect this well to match the production capability of our first Middle Spraberry well. Speaker 300:12:00This delineates five miles north and south in the hard flat top. And you may remember that I said virtually no Middle Spraberry PUDs were in our 2024 reserve report. It would be reasonable to assume that this will change in our 2025 reserve report. Now turning to slide nine. As we've discussed on previous calls, High P is absolutely differentiated from our peers due to the depth of our high quality inventory rich portfolio. Speaker 300:12:38Our technical and land teams have done a fantastic job of organically adding inventory to the extent that we have successfully replaced our inventory in our primary Wolfcamp A And Lower Spraberry zones year over year. And these aren't just sticks on the map. Again, we have actively been drilling in our expansion areas and have proven results in both formations that meet or beat our previous core areas in the field. Our bread and butter Wolfcamp A And Lower Spraberry wells have almost fifteen years of remaining inventory at our current two rig development cadence. And as we've mentioned on last quarter's call, we continue to delineate the Middle Sprayberry zone and at our current cost structure would potentially add more than 200 additional locations in our flattop area to our sub-fifty dollars breakeven inventory. Speaker 300:13:41Now turning to Slide 10. The key themes of our 2025 development plan remain consistent. Maintain capital discipline, prioritize what we can control, OpEx and CapEx, and continue to increase our overall corporate efficiency by holding production flat with less CapEx. We are going to continue our steady and efficient two rig development program with a primary focus of co developing our high return Wolfcamp A and Lower Spraberry zones, in addition to continuing our thoughtful and strategic delineation of the Middle Spraberry. This plan is level loaded, meaning we'll stay steady with our two rig and one frac crew throughout the year with the caveat that as Jack mentioned earlier, we are continuing to realize some efficiency gains on the D and C side, which translates into more work being done with the same number of rigs. Speaker 300:14:49As noted on Slide 10, we will realize about 33% of our annual budget in the first quarter. The majority of our 25 infrastructure projects are already in progress, causing our full year 2025 CapEx budget to be first half weighted. Also during the first quarter, we picked up a second spot completion crew to complete a four well pad, again drilling efficiencies outpacing original plans. As noted on our 2025 guidance, we have committed to some very important one time infrastructure projects that are also weighted to the first half of the year. Over the past fifteen months, we have added 30,000 net acres to our flattop position. Speaker 300:15:45Our first priority was establishing commercial proven success on this newly acquired acreage, which we have now demonstrated. Second step is to now connect all of these extension areas through our core life of field infrastructure system, which includes our company owned water system and our overhead electrical power distribution system, as well as we're doing some additional work on expanding our low pressure gas gathering system to all areas of our field. And we're also connecting our gathering system to additional takeaway outlets with other midstream partners. This will provide us with valuable redundancy in situations where our primary providers are down due to maintenance projects or experience capacity constraints. These projects are very important for the full development over the life of our field. Speaker 300:16:46Now focusing on our improving corporate efficiency. A few key things I would like to draw your attention to. Our 2025 development plan is anticipated to deliver similar production volumes coupled with a capital budget that's inclusive of these one time infrastructure projects that I just detailed that is over 20% lower than last year. And if we look ahead to the future and factoring in not having these one time 2025 projects, but also taking into account that our base infrastructure budget will continue to decrease compared to years past, assuming we don't continue to add new acreage at the same pace that we have, you could be looking at an all in maintenance CapEx budget that could be close to 30% less in 2026 over our lower budget in 2025 that's 20% lower than our previous year of 2024, thus providing a significant increase to our overall corporate efficiency and ultimately translating to more free cash flow for the company. Another item I'd like to point out, even though our 2025 guided turn in line range is slightly less than last year's, on a lateral footage basis, we are expecting to complete roughly 5% more lateral footage on a year over year basis, again, for a substantially lower all in capital budget. Speaker 300:18:27The Hi P team has built an extremely efficient machine designed for the long haul. We know there's always room for additional improvement and we have the right team in place to realize those gains. With my comments now complete, I'll turn the call back over to Jack to discuss High Peak's current capitalization. Speaker 200:18:47Thanks, Mike, and congratulations on a very successful 2024 and what we expect to be an even more efficient program this year. Now turning to Slide 11. Ladies and gentlemen, we wanted to include a slide highlighting our current capitalization for a few reasons. First, as everyone is aware, our current term loan carries a very high cost of capital at SOFR plus seven fifty basis points. Last year, this equated to roughly a 13% average interest rate, very high, which translated into about $150,000,000 of annual cash interest expense. Speaker 200:19:31One of our primary 2025 objectives is to transition to a more traditional capital structure. We anticipate this would lead to significant cash interest expense savings, materially extend our debt maturities and further increase our liquidity, remove the mandatory amortization associated with our term loan, providing High Peak with more flexibility and paying down debt at par. We have the freedom to navigate and choose our own path as High Peak is currently in a very healthy financial position with a reasonable amount of leverage and full liquidity, no near term debt maturities and a demonstrated track record of operating within cash flow and paying down absolute debt. However, normal way financing would materially improve our corporate structure and our financial position even further. This is something we're going to work on Speaker 300:20:33when Speaker 200:20:35our make whole provision expires March 12. The key takeaways, if you turn now to Slide 12, the key takeaways that I'd like to leave everyone with today are, we've built a very efficient machine here at High Peak. We expect to continue to build off of our twenty twenty four improvements. We've successfully continued to expand our large contiguous acreage position and have demonstrated strong well results in our expansion areas and some of our upside zones. We expect to continue that success going forward. Speaker 200:21:16Our well performance has continued to improve across acreage across our entire acreage block, while we have simultaneously lowered our drilling and completion costs, which translate into better overall returns for the company. We have a long runway of oily high value inventory, which is underpinned by roughly fifteen years of locations in our bread and butter Wolfcamp A and Loyersprayberry formations. Our intense focus on operational efficiency covered with our advantageous life of field infrastructure system continued to deliver peer leading margins. We're in a very healthy financial position, which we expect will be further enhanced as we look to optimize our capital structure. Our corporate efficiency is projected to continue to improve, highlighted by flat production volumes combined with a 20% lower capital budget this year. Speaker 200:22:15All these things ultimately lead to Hypeak being positioned for sustainable long term success. And with that, we'd like to open up the call to questions and we will answer any questions that you have. Thank you. Operator00:22:36Thank Our first question comes from the line of John White from Roth MKM Capital. Speaker 400:23:04Good morning and congratulations on the nice result, especially your improved report. Can you hear me okay? Speaker 300:23:23Barely. John, if you could speak up a little bit, we could barely hear you, buddy. Speaker 400:23:27Yes. I said congratulations on the nice results, especially your proved reserve report. Speaker 200:23:36Thank you. Speaker 400:23:39For 2025, how many Middle Spraberry wells are you planning? Speaker 300:23:46John, that's a great question. We've had fantastic results from our first two Middle Spraberry tests, the first being a couple of quarters ago that we announced. Our second Middle Spraberry well is in early flowback today. It looks very similar to the first well. I think it would be reasonable to expect us to be prudent and cautious as we step out and delineate the Middle Spraberry. Speaker 300:24:14The great thing is we have 200 locations up just in Flat Top that we suspect will be as good as what we're seeing here. Again, through 2025, I would think the number would be two to three additional wells this year would be reasonable. And CapEx kind of breakout, we get this question a lot between Flattop and signal peak, almost follows the acreage distribution between Flattop and Signal Peak, kind of 70%, thirty %, seventy % of that CapEx being kind of co developed Lower Spraberry and Wolfcamp A mostly in Flattop with again that kind of two to three Middle Spraberry wells that we would expect to do later in the year. And the remaining kind of 30% being sent down in Signal P. Speaker 400:25:08Okay. So all the Middle Spraberry wells for 2025 are going to be in Flat Top and none in Signal P. Is that right? Speaker 300:25:17That's what we're anticipating today. Again, there's some middle Spraberry wells that offset operators had drilled near our signal peak areas, and we're watching that obviously. But as we sit today, we're looking to delineate up in flattop as our main priority. Yes. Speaker 400:25:40Okay. Well, thanks very much and good luck in 2025. Speaker 300:25:45All right. Thank you, John. Operator00:25:48Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Robertson from Water Tower Research. Speaker 500:25:59Thanks. Good morning. Mike, when you spoke about infrastructure improvements, you talked about improving HIFEC's ability to handle gas volumes and deliver those to more potential outlets. Speaker 300:26:12Does that also have an Speaker 500:26:13impact on your ability to move more oil barrels by being able to effectively capture and sell gas? Speaker 300:26:23You bet, Jeff. No, that's a great question. And to that point, yes, we have made great strides in improving our infrastructure out to some of these newly acquired acreage positions that we've tested. Again, your first well or two, you don't have your entire infrastructure built out. So we did have some gas volumes that had to go to flare early on that are all now tied in. Speaker 300:26:52So that's increased some of it. To your point, had you not built out the infrastructure, there is a time limit to how long you could test an area before you have to have a solution for moving those gas molecules. And there's obviously value associated with those gas molecules. And one of our hedge position, you can see that we layered on some additional gas hedges. We layered it about 30,000 MMBTU a day from March of twenty twenty five to February of twenty twenty six at about $4.43 per MMBTU. Speaker 300:27:33Again, gas will never be a huge part of Hytheek's production with our current acreage position, again, because we do have such an oily mixture of our BOE. So we're very low API gravity oil barrel as well. We run about 36, 30 seven gravity on average. So when you look at our reserve report and you see that our oil percentage for the life of all these wells that are in that report moved from about 70% at 2023 year end to about 68% in year end 2024. That's more of what I think you're going to see for the next decade or so from high peak. Speaker 300:28:21We've been in maintenance mode for about a year and a half now. We were drilling with six rigs back in 2023. So I think what you've seen is things level out. And if I was looking from a modeling standpoint, I would think kind of low to mid 70% oil range and kind of that 85 ish percent liquids as a go forward for IP. Speaker 500:28:49Thanks. And when you think about corporate efficiency over the next several years, you've talked about being a or twenty twenty four growing production with less cash flow and expect that to be the I'm sorry, less CapEx and expect that to be the case in 2025 and likely in 2026. How does the infrastructure build out support your efficiency goals for the company? Speaker 300:29:14You bet, Jeff. No, great questions. Again, this infrastructure, you see that in our LOE. This infrastructure also helps us on the CapEx side to a lesser degree. For instance, we can run rigs off of Highline power. Speaker 300:29:30We have ample recycled fluid that we can utilize for our frac crews. We run as high as 100 recycled fluid on our frac jobs, again helping CapEx and OpEx. So as we build this infrastructure and tie everything together, it definitely improves the things we like to be able to control, again drilling OpEx, CapEx costs. Now whenever we look forward into 2025 and 2026, I think you hit on a very important point. We talk about being 20% less CapEx as a maintenance mode inclusive of some one time and we tried to break this out on the guidance slide. Speaker 300:30:16The one time infrastructure that we have to put in, once it's there, it's there for the life of field. But then if you also look at the line that breaks out the kind of midpoint of $45,000,000 for infrastructure. Again, just a little bit of clarity from Hytate, it's a little different than our peers. Again, I always like to call it blood, guts and feathers. When we give our D and C CapEx, if you notice, we know that it's drilling, completion, equipping the facilities for those wells, as well as a little bit of capitalized flow back water. Speaker 300:30:54So all in blood, guts and feathers is the D and C portion of the guidance. Now the $45,000,000 that's anything that is not on the well pad. So that's pipelines, overhead electric that tie in some of these new areas. So again, assuming that we don't go and put on another 30,000 acres in 2026, what you will see is that $45,000,000 line will also decrease. If I was a betting guy, I would say it would be about half or less of that $45,000,000 And of course, the one time piece goes away. Speaker 300:31:34All else being equal, that would reduce our 2026 budget by roughly 30%, again, being in a maintenance mode relatively flat. Now I mentioned that in 2023, we were running six rigs. We've been kind of in maintenance mode for a year and a half. What you're starting to see with Highpeak is the maturity, right, of our asset. Our corporate decline is beginning to come down. Speaker 300:32:02So again, when you look into the future, it's going to take less wells and completed feet to hold that production flat, which might translate into a couple percentage gain each year at even while we're staying at a maintenance CapEx mode because again we're can't fine tune down to the exact number of completed lateral feet to stay perfectly flat. But as our production base ages and corporate decline goes down, you'll see a slight build in production even at the two rig program. Again, all growing corporate efficiency, increasing free cash flow, again, allowing us to pay down debt. Again, at par, we assume if in the future we had normal way financing, we would be able to do that at par. Speaker 500:32:56And operationally, Mike, is it fair to think then that the infrastructure that will be in place with the current plan essentially sets the asset base up such that you could scale capital depending on the amount of cash flow you have and just the prevailing economic conditions? Great Speaker 300:33:16question. Hy Vee is again uniquely positioned with our asset base and our land position to do or to have the flexibility to go either way. If you remember, we were running six rigs back in 2023. This life of field infrastructure was built such that we could flex upwards to six, eight rigs if needed. We have the capacity through all these lines to move that type of volume. Speaker 300:33:46But also this land position, if for instance, oil prices were to drop precipitously lower than they are today and we had to slow down activity, we can hold through the drill bit all of the acreage at High Peak has the 143,000 acres with less than one rig running. So again, it gives High Peak the flexibility to take advantage of any kind of pricing environment that we have either now or in the future. Speaker 500:34:17If I could switch gears quickly to the capitalization, if you reduce the borrowing costs on the term loan by 100 basis points, Speaker 300:34:26I Speaker 500:34:26think it would be about $10,000,000 that would fall straight to free cash flow. Can you talk about Speaker 300:34:34I'm sorry, go ahead, Jeff. Speaker 500:34:36How do you weigh the merits of reducing debt under a new capital structure and buying back shares? Speaker 200:34:48Actually, I'll answer that question, Jeff. If you look at what our borrowing base, our rate is on our term loan with Fitch and of course we'd have new rating agency numbers as we go forward with a potential bond transaction or normalized capital structure. And based on that right now, you would expect, as you say, roughly $10,000,000 per basis point, but if you go from, let's say, hypothetically 8% down from 13%, that's almost $50,000,000 And then if you eliminate the amortization on that, you've got almost $170,000,000 As Mike said earlier, in terms of negative with oil prices going down, the flip side is if they go up and we decided to increase drilling, we have that flexibility too. So we have a lot of variability in our plan to do that. And with corporate efficiency improving also, we are going to be adding to our free cash flow. Speaker 200:36:08And by adding to our free cash flow, that's where we would be able to reduce debt and do it very quickly, should we choose to do so. And in fact, internally when we model it, we can literally pay off a large RBL and a corporate bond in less than five years, if we want to just maintain where we are today. Speaker 500:36:36Okay. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:36:38Thank you, Jeff. Operator00:36:41Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by