NASDAQ:ADAP Adaptimmune Therapeutics Q4 2024 Earnings Report $0.27 +0.01 (+2.46%) As of 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Adaptimmune Therapeutics EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.26Consensus EPS -$0.17Beat/MissMissed by -$0.09One Year Ago EPSN/AAdaptimmune Therapeutics Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$3.22 millionExpected Revenue$16.56 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$13.34 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAdaptimmune Therapeutics Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date3/24/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, March 20, 2025Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsAdaptimmune Therapeutics' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 13, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Adaptimmune Therapeutics Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 20, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 17 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to the Adaptimmune's Q4 and Full Year twenty twenty four Business Update Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen only mode. The conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. I now like to turn the floor over to Julie Miller, Investor Relations for Adaptimmune. Operator00:00:34Julie, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:36Good morning, and welcome to Adaptimmune's conference call to discuss our full year and fourth quarter twenty twenty four business updates. I would ask you to review the full text of our forward looking statements from this morning's press release. We anticipate making projections during this call and actual results could differ materially due to several factors, including those outlined in our latest filings with the SEC. Adrian Rockliffe, our Chief Executive Officer is here with me for the prepared portion of the call and other members of our leadership team will be available for Q and A. With that, I'll turn the call over to Adrian Rockliffe. Speaker 100:01:13Ad? Speaker 200:01:16Thanks, Judy, and thank you, everybody, for joining us on today's call. I'd like to begin by discussing the TCELLRA launch and the fantastic momentum that we've seen building since our approval late last year. This launch, as you know, has been our top priority, and we have provided some updated performance metrics in this morning's press release. But I'm going to go into more details on this call so that you can see why we're so excited that our long range forecast of at least $400,000,000 in combined synovial sarcoma sales seems very achievable given these early success indicators. Currently, we have 20 authorized treatment centers or ATCs available through our network, which you can find on tcellular.com and that's pretty much updated in real time for the most part. Speaker 200:02:06These 20 ATCs represent a full two thirds of our planned treatment network for approximately 30 sites. So we are very much ahead of schedule in setting up these ATCs. When we launched last year, we intended to have the full network established by late twenty twenty six. And our Q3 earnings in November and based on enthusiasm from sites and the progress that we've seen up to that point, we accelerated that timeline to the end of this year. Now having two thirds of these sites up and running already, we are very much on track to have the full network by the end of the year. Speaker 200:02:43Now on to patients being treated with TESARA. In Q4 last year, we A3 three patients and two of those were invoiced, resulting in Q4 recorded product revenue of $1,200,000 In Q1 twenty twenty five, as of today, we have aporeased ten more patients and we have three additional aporeases scheduled by the March for an anticipated total of 13 patients Aforeased in Q1 twenty twenty five. This means we're likely to Aforese more than four times as many patients in Q1 as we did in the prior quarter. Furthermore, we anticipate that the majority of the 10 patients they've released in Q1 to date will be invoiced in Q1 with the remainder in Q2. As such, we anticipate invoicing three to four times as many patients in Q1, I. Speaker 200:03:32E. Approximately six to eight patients as we did in the prior quarter. But we can see this launch is accelerating rapidly and our KPIs are in line with or indeed exceeding our projections, which is a testament to the team's hard work and to the unmet need of sarcoma patients and the recognition from their treating physicians that T cell offers a real solution. And we anticipate the acceleration of these numbers will continue. We have an additional pool of around 20 patients who are biomarker positive, and we expect the majority of these patients to be treated in Q2 and Q3 this year. Speaker 200:04:09And behind that, we estimate that approximately thirty patients are in various stages of testing. Now we don't have full visibility into all of the MAGE A four testing that occurs, but more than eighty patients have completed testing for MAGE A four using our sponsored testing program since launch with a positivity rate, which is as expected around sixty five percent. On the payer front, we've had tremendous success with reimbursement. Over seventy percent of commercial and Medicare lives are in plans that already have established policies in place to cover Tysara. To date, we haven't experienced a single denial, which is a great accomplishment for the team and even greater outcome for patients, obviously. Speaker 200:04:53Before we move on launch performance, I'd be remiss not to discuss manufacturing, since this is so important for cell therapies. As you know, an effective, efficient delivery of autologous cell therapies is, in our view, a critical, indeed a defining characteristic for successful commercialization campaigns. Decellular manufacturing has exceeded all of our goals and expectations. Although the numbers so far are small, 100 of the released products were manufactured to specification with no manufacturing failures. Our average turnaround time from apheresis to product release has been less than our target of thirty days. Speaker 200:05:32We've had no capacity bottlenecks so far, and we have a robust supply of all the key materials, including importantly, vector already in place. We should have no trouble meeting the anticipated accelerating demand in the coming quarters that I referenced earlier. The net result of everything we're seeing across our treatment network, our commercial and manufacturing teams is that we anticipate sales of TCELLRA will continue to accelerate in each quarter this year as the pipeline of new patients flows through, as new ATCs come online and as the timelines for each patient moving through the process becomes more efficient and more streamlined. As of now, we have good visibility of the patients we expect for delivery in April. And although we're not yet in a position to provide formal revenue guidance, we feel very confident that the current consensus analyst forecast of approximately $25,000,000 of sales in 2025 is very achievable. Speaker 200:06:32This is a testament to the commercial and CMC capabilities we've thoughtfully and strategically built and which are now firing on all cylinders. Most importantly though, it's a testament to the strength of the clinical data as reflected in the approved label, which has provided patients and their treating oncologists with the confidence that TCELLRA is the right choice. Now Now we've built this commercial infrastructure not only for Ticellar, the first product in the sarcoma franchise, but also for the next product, LetyCell, which we expect to be on the market in 2027. The data we've generated for LetyCell is as strong as that TCELLRA and will be the basis for the BLA filing, which is on track for submission later this year. TCELLRA and Letycel form the basis of our sarcoma franchise. Speaker 200:07:21And as stated previously, we expect to see U. S. Peak sales of approximately $400,000,000 Since Letysel will use the same commercial footprint as TCELLRA, we will achieve significant operational channel and cost synergies. Put another way, the incremental cost to launch Letocell is minor given that most of the capabilities would already be in place by the time of launch in 2027. Now I'm going to elaborate a little more on Letocell and in particular on the Ignite ESO pivotal data that met its primary endpoint and was presented at CITOS last year. Speaker 200:07:59Efficacy is similar to what we saw with Afamisal, which was the basis for approval of Asticellara And in the sixty four patients treated with Letticell in the IGD IDSAR trial, there is a forty two percent overall response rate. This also included six complete responses. And that's a complete response rate of almost ten percent in these advanced metastatic synovial sarcoma and myxoid liposarcoma patients. For these patients with few other options, this is a transformational advance. As I mentioned, these data will serve as the basis for the rolling BLA filing plan to begin later this year. Speaker 200:08:37And I also want to point you to a KOL event we previously hosted, which we've linked in our PR this morning. Doctor. Sandra Deangelo from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center led after CTOS. Doctor. DeAngelo, who has been the lead investigator in our trials, framed Lettucell from the perspective of the provider. Speaker 200:08:57She was enthusiastic not only about the data, but also about having another future treatment option. She speaks compellingly about her patients who often in the prime of their lives receive a devastating diagnosis of synovial sarcoma or myxoid liposarcoma and have limited treatment options. Doctor. DeAngelo highlighted Nextel's significant improvement over standard of care and described the treatment journey from screening to dosing as streamlined. If you want to understand the transformative nature of these therapies in this space, I encourage you to listen to her presentation, which is on our website. Speaker 200:09:33Let us now expand our Cycoma franchise into NY ESO expressing synovial sarcoma and myxoid liposarcoma, which we anticipate will more than double the number of treatable patients in The U. S. Each year. We estimate that LetyCell will eventually make up over 60% of our combined sarcoma franchise revenue. Switching gears a little, last quarter, we shared the key priorities for our restructuring and for the company going forward. Speaker 200:10:02These were: one, to build a successful business with what we anticipate will be two FDA approved products in sarcoma Two, to substantially reduce the need to bring in additional capital before becoming cash flow positive. And three, to achieve our objective to be cash flow breakeven in 2027. The update of the launch of TECERRA and the progress with Netocel demonstrates we are well on track to meet the first of these objectives, building our sarcoma business. On the capital reductions and the cash flow breakeven in the 2027 objectives, we have two updates for you today. First, we are pausing spending on our preclinical programs targeting PRAME and CD70. Speaker 200:10:47This decision reduces our forward cash flow demands in the period through 2028 by approximately $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 This is in addition to the $300,000,000 of forward cash savings over this period we announced at the end of last year as a result of our restructuring. Secondly, we've engaged TV Cowen to help us explore all strategic options and evaluate every financial opportunity to ensure we achieve our goals and optimize value for our shareholders. This includes potential partnerships or collaborations, strategic combinations, various financial transactions and multiple pipeline monetization opportunities. We won't say much more beyond this. And while we appreciate all your questions, we will only provide an update on the progress of these initiatives when we have something meaningful to discuss. Speaker 200:11:36We have a lot of options of financial levers we can pull while we continue to execute our commercial strategy from position of strength with the early success of the TCELLRA launch. In summary, we have great traction and acceleration of the launch of TCELLRA and we'll continue to provide updates on this and the progress of Letticell towards a rolling BLA submission later this year. We will continue to effectively manage our costs as we push towards profitability in 2027. And in the context of the current capital markets, we will leave no stone unturned to enable us to achieve our objectives. And with that, I'll open the call up for questions. Speaker 200:12:16Operator? Operator00:12:49Our first question today comes from Mark Frum from TD Cowen. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 300:12:57Hi. This is Alex on for Mark. Thanks so much for taking my question. Just a couple on the TAELLRA launch. So first, could you comment on the pace of Afreasys during Q1, specifically where patient numbers higher in March versus January? Speaker 300:13:11And then given the cost savings you're working on, how many patients per year do you think you'll need to treat in order to achieve profitability in 2027? Thanks. Speaker 200:13:25So I'm going to ask Cynthia to comment on the pace of A4ECs as we've gone through the last part of last year and into this year. And then I'll take the second question on profitability for the company as a whole. Speaker 400:13:41Thank you, Adrian. Thank you so much. So, yes, the pace of A3s has been increasing. As you would imagine, we started to open our ATC network last year. So the majority of the A3s came from the first ATCs that were open. Speaker 400:14:01We see that the A3s rebate came from five different ATCs. And as we continue to onboard treatment centers, the pace has been increasing over time. So we certainly had a greater number of A3s in February and March than we had in the prior months. So the pace has been really very exciting. Speaker 200:14:28And on the second question, we deliberately and specifically haven't provided forward revenue guidance through any of the mechanisms that your questions imply. So I'm not going to actually give you forward guidance on 2027 at that point, but other than to say that the by that point, of course, TCELLRA has sort of been essentially in its second full year after launch, its third year after approval. And obviously, Letiselle will have launched by that point in time. And it's the combination of those two together that get us to operating profitability. Operator00:15:18Our next question comes from Michael Schmidt from Guggenheim. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:15:24Hi, this is Paul on for Michael. Thanks for taking our questions. So just on the launch as well, last quarter, I believe you mentioned there had been fifteen confirmed double positive patients as of November. Can you just confirm what portion of those patients are the ones who went on to undergo apheresis this year? And for those who did not, are they still candidates for treatment down the line? Speaker 500:15:42Or if they dropped out of the treatment journey, do you have any visibility into why? Speaker 600:15:49Cynthia? Speaker 400:15:52Yes. So we the majority of the patients that were double positive have already been starting the journey and the 10 patients that we Aphried so far are part of those. The majority of the others are still in the journey at different stages. We would expect some dropouts, not all of the patients are going to eventually be treated. We haven't seen a lot of them to date, but there could be different reasons why patients could potentially drop out. Speaker 400:16:26But what we've been seeing is the majority of them went through A3s or RS2 waiting to be treated. Speaker 500:16:37Okay. And then perhaps just a follow-up. Do you have any visibility into what line of therapy that the patients typically are on who are going into testing? In other words, what proportion of patients who are getting tested could immediately move into treatment if qualified as double positive versus those that are perhaps earlier and being tested in frontline and still being treated with other therapies? Thank you. Speaker 400:17:01The majority of the patients, the large majority of the patients are patients that are being tested with intent to be treated with the cell route. So they have already been exposed to chemotherapies. They could be at different stages of their journey. Over time, we do expect to see testing happening earlier in the treatment journey and it's something that we'll hopefully be able to support as we grow into the awareness of biomarkers. But today, the majority of the patients tested are patients that are eligible to start being treated with TESARO right away. Speaker 600:17:45Okay. Thank Speaker 200:17:47you. Thanks, Will. Operator00:17:50Our next question comes from Jonathan Chang from Leerink Partners. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 700:17:56Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, on the path to profitability in 2027, can you remind us what the assumptions are and other considerations that feed into that goal? Speaker 200:18:13Certainly. So when we were previous when we previously announced the restructuring, we talked about the pattern of our spending in 2025, '20 '20 '6 and 2027. You might recall that we said that we would reduce our spending by about 50,000,000 anticipated in 2025 from the levels in 2024 and then by 70,000,000 to 80,000,000 each of 2026 and 2027. And that implies a cost base coming down from a little north of 200,000,000 to $130,000,000 1 hundred and 40 million dollars We've now subsequently announced that we are pausing the investment in Prime and $520,000,000 And whilst we haven't calendarized that, that has a significant incremental impact in future years on that, reducing that still further. Against that backdrop, we have the approval and launch of two products, TCELLRA obviously last year and the sales of that which we're now really starting to see ramp up and offset that. Speaker 200:19:31And then we anticipate the approval of LetuCell on the basis of the BLA, which will complete in the second quarter of next year and which we anticipate the first sales in 2027 on approval in late twenty twenty six. So first recognized sales in 2027. And it's the combination of those two ramping up. And we've not provided specific annual sales guidance for either product or in total, but we have said that we anticipate U. S. Speaker 200:20:04Sales of $400,000,000 in total at peak for our sarcoma franchise. Hopefully, that's helpful. Speaker 700:20:15Understood. So I guess just synthesizing all of that together, did you believe you have sufficient cash today to get to your goal of being profitable in 2027? Or does it assume No. Speaker 200:20:33Let's be we said that last year. That remains the case now. And the opportunities that we are exploring with the help of TD Cowen to enable us to bridge to that profitability to ensure that we are able to appropriately finance the company over this time period to get to that goal of profitability in 2027. Speaker 700:21:02Understood. Maybe just one last question for me then. How are you guys thinking about potential business development opportunities for the company, for your programs, platform, etcetera? Speaker 200:21:14Yes. So we have as you know, we have a pipeline of opportunities, praying the CD70 program. We have an ongoing collaboration and partnership with our partner Galapagos on UZACEL. And then we have the non U. S. Speaker 200:21:35Territories for our sarcoma franchise. All of those are available for partnering. And as we said last year that we were actively exploring and we continue to actively explore partnerships for all of those. Moving more broadly, we anticipate that we will explore all options to be able to secure the future of the sarcoma franchise and of the company. And just we anticipate that the properly financed company is our number one priority. Speaker 200:22:16As you've seen, the equity capital markets are challenging. Now the good news is that TCEARO is going as well, if not better than we had envisioned, but that just makes it even more important for us to have a properly financed company. And we are exploring all options. This includes the partnerships that you've mentioned and collaborations. It includes strategic combinations. Speaker 200:22:40It includes other financial transactions and the opportunity Got it. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Jonathan. Speaker 700:22:58Got it. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:23:01Thanks, Jonathan. Operator00:23:03Our next question comes from Tony Butler from Robin and Renshaw. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 800:23:11Good morning, Adrian. And this is probably a question for Cynthia. If you actually look at the telesolar map and realizing that the goal of 30 ATC sites, obviously all of them to date are in the East, in the South and out West. So the question is, would the remainder, of course, I assume be in the Midwest, Missouri through, I guess, Utah, if you think about it. But also importantly given the cost comments that you've made, cost reduction comments that you made, is there a notion or a thought that you in fact may need more salespeople certainly in that Midwest region? Speaker 800:23:50Thanks very much. Speaker 400:23:55I can address the question directly. So take it, Tony. Yes. So, yes, the distribution of the sites was designed based on the concentration of patients that we see in these cancer centers already. So we do expect to see more in the middle of the country, but also the largest concentration and that's why a lot of the sites are where they are today that there is a higher concentration of patients there too. Speaker 400:24:28Our goal with the 30 treatment centers is to be able to provide access in a smoother way to the majority of the patients today. We currently have a footprint that we announced before of five regions with five key commercial leads and five medical leads in the field. And we are open to exploring opportunities to continue to increase. But at this point, we feel that this is the right number of people that we need to provide the right focus on the treatment centers. Speaker 800:25:05Thanks, Cynthia. Operator00:25:11Our next question comes from Gregg Evan Bay from Mizuho. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 900:25:19Yes, thanks. Good morning and thank you for the updates on the launch and congrats there. I had two questions relatively brief. Could you just remind us about the commercial strategy? Is it currently right now where your energies are primarily or singularly focused on The U. Speaker 900:25:38S? Or in other words, can you just remind us what the ex U. S. Strategy is that you would think that you would undertake on your own or is it with a partner? And then any timelines on filing in Europe? Speaker 900:25:52And then secondly, I was just struck just in the press release just on, I guess, the lack of the financials for the quarter. I realize that the K might come out next week. But that being said, any comments on OpEx in particular and kind of thoughts around OpEx trends for 2025 given the restructuring, given the goal of achieving profitability in 2027 relative to the uptake for TCEARA? Speaker 200:26:31Thanks, Greg. So I'll take the first question on broader strategies, commercialization strategies on our sarcoma franchise and then I'll ask Gavin to comment on the costs and the financials. So with respect to the Ex U. S, our view is that it is absolutely the absolutely critical thing for us to do is establish a commercially viable business around our sarcoma franchise in The United States. And that's the number one priority for us from a product commercialization perspective. Speaker 200:27:13It is obvious to us that there is demand outside of The United States and many people with synovial sarcoma and myxoid liposarcoma who would benefit from TCELLRA and from Letocell. And we've been clear for a while that we will explore both opportunities to territories where that is rational and also opportunities to partner where that is rational where that makes sense to. We can take advantage of other people's infrastructure, etcetera. Nonetheless, the most important thing is that we get The U. S. Speaker 200:27:54Right and that's really where all of our focus is internally at the moment. And so whilst we are having discussions with third parties about ex U. S. Strategies, our focus is very clearly on The United States. Gavin, do you want to talk on the financials? Speaker 1000:28:14Yes. Thanks, Greg. With regards to no financials in the earnings released today, given the impact of the restructuring on internal teams and the fact that we've got some new areas for the auditors considering including revenue and inventory. We just need a little more time to finish the 10 ks off. So we'll be publishing that on Monday. Speaker 1000:28:38With regards to your forward looking questions around OpEx in 2025, I'll reiterate what we said at the Q4. We think the restructuring will reduce our run rate costs in 2025 by around about $50,000,000 Today, we've announced that we'll be putting our preclinical programs on hold in PRAME and ADP five twenty. That will drive incremental savings of roughly $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 over the next four years. An element of that will be in 2025 And we'll be able to update you in more detail on that at the Q1 earnings call. Operator00:29:22Our next question comes from Ynon Xu from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 600:29:29Hi. Thanks for taking our questions. This is Quan on for Yanan. So our question is also around TCELLA launch and ATC. So you mentioned that the majority of patients of frederases so far came from majority of them came from the first five ATCs. Speaker 600:29:48Can you remind us when did those five ATCs became active? And do you expect the additional ATCs to onboard patients as efficiently as those five ATCs? Thank you. Thank Speaker 400:30:05you. I can address that question. So those five ATCs were active last year throughout the launch and we do expect now the ATCs that have been activated this year to bring additional patients. In fact, eighty five percent of the ATCs of the 20 that are already in our website have identified at least one patient, the majority of them multiple patients. And so that's going to continue to grow as we onboard and activate more ATCs. Speaker 600:30:49Got it. Thank you for that. And can you remind us what percentage of the patient that the first twenty ATCs cover and how about the next 10? Thank you. Speaker 400:31:03So what's happening today is that the patients are and it's going to continue to happen to a certain extent. The patients can be tested anywhere. So they are being tested locally and then when that patient is a biomarker positive patient for both biomarkers, then they end up getting referred to the treatment centers that are active already. So it's hard to calculate a number of patients per ATC because that referral pattern is being established as we activate these ATCs. But certainly the proximity to the patients and the proximity to where the referral sites are is going to make it easier for patients to get to the treatment centers, the more treatment centers we have. Speaker 400:31:57Does that answer your question? Speaker 600:31:59Yes. That's helpful. Thank you so much. Okay. Speaker 400:32:01Great. No, thank you. Operator00:32:06Our next question comes from George Farmer from Scotiabank. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1100:32:11Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First one is on your ex U. S. Efforts. Speaker 1100:32:17This was touched on earlier, but are you actively engaging in the process of trying to of filing in the EU or is that on hold? And realistically, when do you think this drug could be available or the cell therapy could be available in Europe? And my second question relates to PRAME CD70. Can you talk about any level of outside interest in these programs? And do you think that those programs could be monetized in any way in the near future? Speaker 1100:32:52Thanks. Speaker 500:33:00I Speaker 200:33:05was going to say we haven't provided timelines for the ex U. S. Filing etcetera. But I would like to ask Dennis to comment on the regulatory position and development position there, particularly for the EU. Speaker 1200:33:22Yes. Thanks, Ed. So we have for TAEZELRA, we are part of the PRIME scheme in Europe for this program. We have all the things that you would typically do pre approval in advance of marketing applications. So we have an agreed pediatric investigational plan. Speaker 1200:33:40We have working drug designation. For a variety of strategic reasons to make a stronger application, we're more likely to go in with the full trial results, meaning cohorts one, two and three of the STEARHEAD one trial. So as you know, right, we're looking to conclude our confirmatory evidence later this year. So we're going to report out the results of cohorts two and three in the third quarter. And when we have the totality of data that's independent of the launch activities in Europe, That's really the strategy we would go in with a marketing application in Europe if the decision was to pursue that. Speaker 200:34:22Thanks, Dennis. And with respect to your other question, I mean, the on PRAME and CD70, I mean, both of those programs target what I generally regarded in the industry as very high value, large opportunity targets. And they are already of interest to a range of pharma companies and other large and small biotechs who have programs in this space. And so we continue to believe that and we have ongoing discussions that those are likely to be valuable programs for us. However, I will refer to my comments in the scripted portion of this call that we are exploring all opportunities for in order to be able to enable us to be successful with our sarcoma franchise that includes those partnerships. Speaker 200:35:42It includes other collaborations, strategic combinations, other financial transactions and monetization opportunities as well. And we have a lot of those levers that we can pull and we will give updates when we have something tangible to talk about. Speaker 1100:36:05Okay. Thanks, Adrian. Speaker 200:36:07Yes, Stuart. Operator00:36:10Our next question comes from Arthur Heap from H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1300:36:18Hey, good morning, Ed and the team. Thanks for taking my question. So I apologize if this question has been addressed before. So could you give us more color on the patient number has been identified by market eligible for during so far during this year. Speaker 200:36:45Yes. So maybe I'll ask Cynthia to comment on that. Speaker 400:36:50Yes, I can address that. We in addition to the 10 patients that have been A3s, we do have line of sight for about 20 other patients that are double positive and are going to be getting into the journey moving forward. We see a lot of excitement from the sites with the launch and now the availability of this new option for patients in an area that has not had any innovation. So we see excitement in sites becoming treatment centers, but also with the other sarcoma centers of excellence in identifying and testing patients. Speaker 1300:37:36Thank you. And just a quick follow-up. So to date, what's the roughly conversion rate from the double positive patient to get the emphasis? Speaker 400:37:51So it's more a matter of time than percentage. And so each patient has a very different journey, so it can take different timings for them to be able to get through insurance approval, schedule ifreases and go through the process. It's just two very low numbers at this time for us to be able to calculate any very specific statistics. The majority of them are going through the journey over time. Speaker 1300:38:24Thank you. Very helpful. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 600:38:28Thanks, Al. Speaker 400:38:28Thank you. Operator00:38:30Our next question comes from Michael Kim from Zacks Small Cap Research. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1400:38:42First, just curious to get your perspective on the incremental $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 of savings related to pausing on PRAME and CD70, just in terms of how these incremental savings impact the anticipated timeline for reaching an inflection in operating Speaker 600:39:09profitability? Yes. Speaker 1000:39:10So thanks, Michael. So clearly those incremental savings will help accelerate that time to profitability, but there are Speaker 500:39:17a number of other Speaker 1000:39:18variables involved in that, including successful launch of Ticella and the acceleration and ramping that we're already seeing, though of course, we're four, five months into this. The launch of letter sales will be important part of that as well. So a number of variables, but continue to focus on our cost base and being judgmental about where we put our assets to work will clearly help in expediting that voyage to profitability. Speaker 1400:39:50Got it. Okay. And then appreciate the commentary on Lettucell in terms of initiating the BLA later this year with an anticipated approval in 'twenty six, which I think would represent a meaningfully shorter timeline with respect to the process for TAEZELRA. So just curious to get your thoughts on where you might be able to leverage your experience with TAEZELRA to drive synergies or efficiencies? And then what sort of timeline are you building in for FDA approval once you complete the BLA? Speaker 1400:40:35Thanks. Speaker 200:40:38Thanks, Robert. I'm going to ask Dennis to talk about the how the learnings from TCELLRA have built into our plans for LetyCell and the path to approval. And then maybe I'll ask Cynthia to talk about how we anticipate the launch of LetyCell in the context of a fully established commercial organization and treatment network that we've established with TESARRA. Dennis, do Speaker 600:41:06you want to go first? Speaker 1200:41:09Yes, sure. Thanks, Ed. There are a lot of learnings that we have from the Dacelra BLA review and approval that we have already incorporated into the planning of the Lettucell BLA as we prepare it. So they could be on the clinical side just or the CMC side things at the FDA going through that process. But essentially the same patient population that they would expect to see as far as planning around the the companion diagnostics and having contemporaneous approval. Speaker 1200:41:43So all those learnings will be applied. Now to your question about the FDA review period, we have breakthrough therapy designation for both indications for Letticell, both for synovial sarcoma and more recently that we received for mixoid round cell led sarcoma. That application, that breakthrough therapy designation was based on the results of the IGNITE ESO, right? Speaker 1300:42:08So the FDA has already seen some of the Speaker 1200:42:10data from the pivotal trial. But as you know, these designations grant a lot of avenues to expedite development. Among them is the rolling review, which we intend to pursue that and we'll start that process at the end of the year. We would also be eligible for a priority review and a priority review for this application would essentially be eight months. So this is the some of the timings that go into the plan where we would expect approval at the end of next year. Speaker 1200:42:39And then Cynthia, I think you're going to have some additional comments about the launch activities. Speaker 400:42:45Yes. Thank you, Dennis. So from a commercial perspective, as you would imagine, there's a lot of synergies. So initially, targeted therapy in sarcoma is something new. So testing patients is something that is being established right now for Kacelra and that's going to be established when we bring Latticell on board. Speaker 400:43:06It's going to be a different target, but the paradigm of testing patients for sarcoma is going to be established. JTC network is going to be available and a lot easier to just pick up on Ladysel. Commercial platform is in place in terms of ordering and all of the chain of custody, chain of identity process is all established already. And we do have a small commercial team, but really we're very proud of the team that is in the field across both medical and commercial. They're very experienced in working with the sites and the customer overlap with Latico, it's 100%. Speaker 400:43:46So we're going to leverage exactly the same network and commercial footprint, medical footprint that we have in place at this time. So a lot of synergies with Lettucell. Speaker 1400:44:03Great. Very helpful. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Martin. Speaker 400:44:07Thank you. Operator00:44:17Our next question comes from Peter Lawson from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1500:44:23Great. Thanks for the update. Thanks for taking the questions. Just on the ATCs that are actively infusing patients, kind of how many have infused more than one patient and what percentage of those ATCs are actively infusing and then just your confidence level around kind of whether it's meeting or exceeding that target of 30 sensors by year end. Speaker 200:44:51Cynthia? Speaker 400:44:53I can address that. So as I mentioned before, about five ATCs have been the ones responsible for the patients that have been increased so far. We do have ATCs that infused more than one patient. And the pace in which the ATCs are enrolling patients and having patients they freeze is exactly as what we would expect. The pace of onboarding ATCs has actually been a little faster than what we expected based on prior experiences. Speaker 400:45:30And I attribute that really to the excitement of the sarcoma specialists to be able to offer this new treatment option for their patients. So and also the fact we learned a lot from the prior cell therapy programs. We had a lot of conversations with our treatment centers to make sure that we implemented an onboarding process that was as simple as it could possibly be. And having a team that is very focused and customized to meet the needs of these customers in a way that the process is as simple as it can be and it can be expedited and we can troubleshoot very specifically as needed. Speaker 1500:46:24Great. Thank you. And then there are any capacity constraints or matter of fact in bottlenecks that could potentially limit the patient infusions you need to kind of hit to 2025 and also that 2027 profitability number? Speaker 400:46:41We have not seen any capacity limitations so far, not on our manufacturing side, not on the site side as well in terms of A380s beds and maybe John can comment on this as well, but we are capacity is enough to reach all of our goals. But John, you want to comment on it? Speaker 1600:47:05Sure. Thanks, Sanjay. Absolutely. I think some of the challenges that we've perhaps seen in other CAR T launches that we've learned from have put us in a position where we don't have capacity constraints. Adrian mentioned that we've been exceeding our targets of the thirty day time from the A3s collection to release. Speaker 1600:47:24And he also mentioned that while it's a small number, we've had a 100% success rate thus far with our commercial, which is of course both of those are different than what you've seen in other CAR T. So it just gives us continued confidence that we've set this up right for a successful launch and ultimately on the way to Medicell as well. Speaker 1500:47:41Got you. Thank you. I know it's hard to kind of break out individual components, but for that cost savings from PRAME, CD70 and headcount reduction, What proportion of that is kind of folded into the commercial rollout versus extending the cash runway? Speaker 1300:48:03Gavin? Yes, Peter, I Speaker 1000:48:05think you're right when you say it's difficult to break those components at the moment. We'll certainly give a further update to the Q1 earnings update. But we are absolutely focused on successful commercial launch and applying resources appropriately to support what's been so far a very successful launch of TECELRA. Operator00:48:33And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Adrian Lockliff for closing remarks. Speaker 200:48:44Thanks and thank you everybody for your questions. As I think we've demonstrated, we have great traction and acceleration on the launch of TESARRA and I'm really looking forward to being able to update you on that as we move through the year and also on the progress towards the BLA for Letisail. We will continue to manage the cost base. We will continue to push forward through to profitability in 2027. And we will leave no stone unturned to enable us to achieve that from a financing perspective. Speaker 200:49:18And with that, I'll close the call. Thank you all for your questions and your interest. Operator00:49:25This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. 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There are 17 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to the Adaptimmune's Q4 and Full Year twenty twenty four Business Update Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen only mode. The conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. I now like to turn the floor over to Julie Miller, Investor Relations for Adaptimmune. Operator00:00:34Julie, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:36Good morning, and welcome to Adaptimmune's conference call to discuss our full year and fourth quarter twenty twenty four business updates. I would ask you to review the full text of our forward looking statements from this morning's press release. We anticipate making projections during this call and actual results could differ materially due to several factors, including those outlined in our latest filings with the SEC. Adrian Rockliffe, our Chief Executive Officer is here with me for the prepared portion of the call and other members of our leadership team will be available for Q and A. With that, I'll turn the call over to Adrian Rockliffe. Speaker 100:01:13Ad? Speaker 200:01:16Thanks, Judy, and thank you, everybody, for joining us on today's call. I'd like to begin by discussing the TCELLRA launch and the fantastic momentum that we've seen building since our approval late last year. This launch, as you know, has been our top priority, and we have provided some updated performance metrics in this morning's press release. But I'm going to go into more details on this call so that you can see why we're so excited that our long range forecast of at least $400,000,000 in combined synovial sarcoma sales seems very achievable given these early success indicators. Currently, we have 20 authorized treatment centers or ATCs available through our network, which you can find on tcellular.com and that's pretty much updated in real time for the most part. Speaker 200:02:06These 20 ATCs represent a full two thirds of our planned treatment network for approximately 30 sites. So we are very much ahead of schedule in setting up these ATCs. When we launched last year, we intended to have the full network established by late twenty twenty six. And our Q3 earnings in November and based on enthusiasm from sites and the progress that we've seen up to that point, we accelerated that timeline to the end of this year. Now having two thirds of these sites up and running already, we are very much on track to have the full network by the end of the year. Speaker 200:02:43Now on to patients being treated with TESARA. In Q4 last year, we A3 three patients and two of those were invoiced, resulting in Q4 recorded product revenue of $1,200,000 In Q1 twenty twenty five, as of today, we have aporeased ten more patients and we have three additional aporeases scheduled by the March for an anticipated total of 13 patients Aforeased in Q1 twenty twenty five. This means we're likely to Aforese more than four times as many patients in Q1 as we did in the prior quarter. Furthermore, we anticipate that the majority of the 10 patients they've released in Q1 to date will be invoiced in Q1 with the remainder in Q2. As such, we anticipate invoicing three to four times as many patients in Q1, I. Speaker 200:03:32E. Approximately six to eight patients as we did in the prior quarter. But we can see this launch is accelerating rapidly and our KPIs are in line with or indeed exceeding our projections, which is a testament to the team's hard work and to the unmet need of sarcoma patients and the recognition from their treating physicians that T cell offers a real solution. And we anticipate the acceleration of these numbers will continue. We have an additional pool of around 20 patients who are biomarker positive, and we expect the majority of these patients to be treated in Q2 and Q3 this year. Speaker 200:04:09And behind that, we estimate that approximately thirty patients are in various stages of testing. Now we don't have full visibility into all of the MAGE A four testing that occurs, but more than eighty patients have completed testing for MAGE A four using our sponsored testing program since launch with a positivity rate, which is as expected around sixty five percent. On the payer front, we've had tremendous success with reimbursement. Over seventy percent of commercial and Medicare lives are in plans that already have established policies in place to cover Tysara. To date, we haven't experienced a single denial, which is a great accomplishment for the team and even greater outcome for patients, obviously. Speaker 200:04:53Before we move on launch performance, I'd be remiss not to discuss manufacturing, since this is so important for cell therapies. As you know, an effective, efficient delivery of autologous cell therapies is, in our view, a critical, indeed a defining characteristic for successful commercialization campaigns. Decellular manufacturing has exceeded all of our goals and expectations. Although the numbers so far are small, 100 of the released products were manufactured to specification with no manufacturing failures. Our average turnaround time from apheresis to product release has been less than our target of thirty days. Speaker 200:05:32We've had no capacity bottlenecks so far, and we have a robust supply of all the key materials, including importantly, vector already in place. We should have no trouble meeting the anticipated accelerating demand in the coming quarters that I referenced earlier. The net result of everything we're seeing across our treatment network, our commercial and manufacturing teams is that we anticipate sales of TCELLRA will continue to accelerate in each quarter this year as the pipeline of new patients flows through, as new ATCs come online and as the timelines for each patient moving through the process becomes more efficient and more streamlined. As of now, we have good visibility of the patients we expect for delivery in April. And although we're not yet in a position to provide formal revenue guidance, we feel very confident that the current consensus analyst forecast of approximately $25,000,000 of sales in 2025 is very achievable. Speaker 200:06:32This is a testament to the commercial and CMC capabilities we've thoughtfully and strategically built and which are now firing on all cylinders. Most importantly though, it's a testament to the strength of the clinical data as reflected in the approved label, which has provided patients and their treating oncologists with the confidence that TCELLRA is the right choice. Now Now we've built this commercial infrastructure not only for Ticellar, the first product in the sarcoma franchise, but also for the next product, LetyCell, which we expect to be on the market in 2027. The data we've generated for LetyCell is as strong as that TCELLRA and will be the basis for the BLA filing, which is on track for submission later this year. TCELLRA and Letycel form the basis of our sarcoma franchise. Speaker 200:07:21And as stated previously, we expect to see U. S. Peak sales of approximately $400,000,000 Since Letysel will use the same commercial footprint as TCELLRA, we will achieve significant operational channel and cost synergies. Put another way, the incremental cost to launch Letocell is minor given that most of the capabilities would already be in place by the time of launch in 2027. Now I'm going to elaborate a little more on Letocell and in particular on the Ignite ESO pivotal data that met its primary endpoint and was presented at CITOS last year. Speaker 200:07:59Efficacy is similar to what we saw with Afamisal, which was the basis for approval of Asticellara And in the sixty four patients treated with Letticell in the IGD IDSAR trial, there is a forty two percent overall response rate. This also included six complete responses. And that's a complete response rate of almost ten percent in these advanced metastatic synovial sarcoma and myxoid liposarcoma patients. For these patients with few other options, this is a transformational advance. As I mentioned, these data will serve as the basis for the rolling BLA filing plan to begin later this year. Speaker 200:08:37And I also want to point you to a KOL event we previously hosted, which we've linked in our PR this morning. Doctor. Sandra Deangelo from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center led after CTOS. Doctor. DeAngelo, who has been the lead investigator in our trials, framed Lettucell from the perspective of the provider. Speaker 200:08:57She was enthusiastic not only about the data, but also about having another future treatment option. She speaks compellingly about her patients who often in the prime of their lives receive a devastating diagnosis of synovial sarcoma or myxoid liposarcoma and have limited treatment options. Doctor. DeAngelo highlighted Nextel's significant improvement over standard of care and described the treatment journey from screening to dosing as streamlined. If you want to understand the transformative nature of these therapies in this space, I encourage you to listen to her presentation, which is on our website. Speaker 200:09:33Let us now expand our Cycoma franchise into NY ESO expressing synovial sarcoma and myxoid liposarcoma, which we anticipate will more than double the number of treatable patients in The U. S. Each year. We estimate that LetyCell will eventually make up over 60% of our combined sarcoma franchise revenue. Switching gears a little, last quarter, we shared the key priorities for our restructuring and for the company going forward. Speaker 200:10:02These were: one, to build a successful business with what we anticipate will be two FDA approved products in sarcoma Two, to substantially reduce the need to bring in additional capital before becoming cash flow positive. And three, to achieve our objective to be cash flow breakeven in 2027. The update of the launch of TECERRA and the progress with Netocel demonstrates we are well on track to meet the first of these objectives, building our sarcoma business. On the capital reductions and the cash flow breakeven in the 2027 objectives, we have two updates for you today. First, we are pausing spending on our preclinical programs targeting PRAME and CD70. Speaker 200:10:47This decision reduces our forward cash flow demands in the period through 2028 by approximately $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 This is in addition to the $300,000,000 of forward cash savings over this period we announced at the end of last year as a result of our restructuring. Secondly, we've engaged TV Cowen to help us explore all strategic options and evaluate every financial opportunity to ensure we achieve our goals and optimize value for our shareholders. This includes potential partnerships or collaborations, strategic combinations, various financial transactions and multiple pipeline monetization opportunities. We won't say much more beyond this. And while we appreciate all your questions, we will only provide an update on the progress of these initiatives when we have something meaningful to discuss. Speaker 200:11:36We have a lot of options of financial levers we can pull while we continue to execute our commercial strategy from position of strength with the early success of the TCELLRA launch. In summary, we have great traction and acceleration of the launch of TCELLRA and we'll continue to provide updates on this and the progress of Letticell towards a rolling BLA submission later this year. We will continue to effectively manage our costs as we push towards profitability in 2027. And in the context of the current capital markets, we will leave no stone unturned to enable us to achieve our objectives. And with that, I'll open the call up for questions. Speaker 200:12:16Operator? Operator00:12:49Our first question today comes from Mark Frum from TD Cowen. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 300:12:57Hi. This is Alex on for Mark. Thanks so much for taking my question. Just a couple on the TAELLRA launch. So first, could you comment on the pace of Afreasys during Q1, specifically where patient numbers higher in March versus January? Speaker 300:13:11And then given the cost savings you're working on, how many patients per year do you think you'll need to treat in order to achieve profitability in 2027? Thanks. Speaker 200:13:25So I'm going to ask Cynthia to comment on the pace of A4ECs as we've gone through the last part of last year and into this year. And then I'll take the second question on profitability for the company as a whole. Speaker 400:13:41Thank you, Adrian. Thank you so much. So, yes, the pace of A3s has been increasing. As you would imagine, we started to open our ATC network last year. So the majority of the A3s came from the first ATCs that were open. Speaker 400:14:01We see that the A3s rebate came from five different ATCs. And as we continue to onboard treatment centers, the pace has been increasing over time. So we certainly had a greater number of A3s in February and March than we had in the prior months. So the pace has been really very exciting. Speaker 200:14:28And on the second question, we deliberately and specifically haven't provided forward revenue guidance through any of the mechanisms that your questions imply. So I'm not going to actually give you forward guidance on 2027 at that point, but other than to say that the by that point, of course, TCELLRA has sort of been essentially in its second full year after launch, its third year after approval. And obviously, Letiselle will have launched by that point in time. And it's the combination of those two together that get us to operating profitability. Operator00:15:18Our next question comes from Michael Schmidt from Guggenheim. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:15:24Hi, this is Paul on for Michael. Thanks for taking our questions. So just on the launch as well, last quarter, I believe you mentioned there had been fifteen confirmed double positive patients as of November. Can you just confirm what portion of those patients are the ones who went on to undergo apheresis this year? And for those who did not, are they still candidates for treatment down the line? Speaker 500:15:42Or if they dropped out of the treatment journey, do you have any visibility into why? Speaker 600:15:49Cynthia? Speaker 400:15:52Yes. So we the majority of the patients that were double positive have already been starting the journey and the 10 patients that we Aphried so far are part of those. The majority of the others are still in the journey at different stages. We would expect some dropouts, not all of the patients are going to eventually be treated. We haven't seen a lot of them to date, but there could be different reasons why patients could potentially drop out. Speaker 400:16:26But what we've been seeing is the majority of them went through A3s or RS2 waiting to be treated. Speaker 500:16:37Okay. And then perhaps just a follow-up. Do you have any visibility into what line of therapy that the patients typically are on who are going into testing? In other words, what proportion of patients who are getting tested could immediately move into treatment if qualified as double positive versus those that are perhaps earlier and being tested in frontline and still being treated with other therapies? Thank you. Speaker 400:17:01The majority of the patients, the large majority of the patients are patients that are being tested with intent to be treated with the cell route. So they have already been exposed to chemotherapies. They could be at different stages of their journey. Over time, we do expect to see testing happening earlier in the treatment journey and it's something that we'll hopefully be able to support as we grow into the awareness of biomarkers. But today, the majority of the patients tested are patients that are eligible to start being treated with TESARO right away. Speaker 600:17:45Okay. Thank Speaker 200:17:47you. Thanks, Will. Operator00:17:50Our next question comes from Jonathan Chang from Leerink Partners. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 700:17:56Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, on the path to profitability in 2027, can you remind us what the assumptions are and other considerations that feed into that goal? Speaker 200:18:13Certainly. So when we were previous when we previously announced the restructuring, we talked about the pattern of our spending in 2025, '20 '20 '6 and 2027. You might recall that we said that we would reduce our spending by about 50,000,000 anticipated in 2025 from the levels in 2024 and then by 70,000,000 to 80,000,000 each of 2026 and 2027. And that implies a cost base coming down from a little north of 200,000,000 to $130,000,000 1 hundred and 40 million dollars We've now subsequently announced that we are pausing the investment in Prime and $520,000,000 And whilst we haven't calendarized that, that has a significant incremental impact in future years on that, reducing that still further. Against that backdrop, we have the approval and launch of two products, TCELLRA obviously last year and the sales of that which we're now really starting to see ramp up and offset that. Speaker 200:19:31And then we anticipate the approval of LetuCell on the basis of the BLA, which will complete in the second quarter of next year and which we anticipate the first sales in 2027 on approval in late twenty twenty six. So first recognized sales in 2027. And it's the combination of those two ramping up. And we've not provided specific annual sales guidance for either product or in total, but we have said that we anticipate U. S. Speaker 200:20:04Sales of $400,000,000 in total at peak for our sarcoma franchise. Hopefully, that's helpful. Speaker 700:20:15Understood. So I guess just synthesizing all of that together, did you believe you have sufficient cash today to get to your goal of being profitable in 2027? Or does it assume No. Speaker 200:20:33Let's be we said that last year. That remains the case now. And the opportunities that we are exploring with the help of TD Cowen to enable us to bridge to that profitability to ensure that we are able to appropriately finance the company over this time period to get to that goal of profitability in 2027. Speaker 700:21:02Understood. Maybe just one last question for me then. How are you guys thinking about potential business development opportunities for the company, for your programs, platform, etcetera? Speaker 200:21:14Yes. So we have as you know, we have a pipeline of opportunities, praying the CD70 program. We have an ongoing collaboration and partnership with our partner Galapagos on UZACEL. And then we have the non U. S. Speaker 200:21:35Territories for our sarcoma franchise. All of those are available for partnering. And as we said last year that we were actively exploring and we continue to actively explore partnerships for all of those. Moving more broadly, we anticipate that we will explore all options to be able to secure the future of the sarcoma franchise and of the company. And just we anticipate that the properly financed company is our number one priority. Speaker 200:22:16As you've seen, the equity capital markets are challenging. Now the good news is that TCEARO is going as well, if not better than we had envisioned, but that just makes it even more important for us to have a properly financed company. And we are exploring all options. This includes the partnerships that you've mentioned and collaborations. It includes strategic combinations. Speaker 200:22:40It includes other financial transactions and the opportunity Got it. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Jonathan. Speaker 700:22:58Got it. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:23:01Thanks, Jonathan. Operator00:23:03Our next question comes from Tony Butler from Robin and Renshaw. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 800:23:11Good morning, Adrian. And this is probably a question for Cynthia. If you actually look at the telesolar map and realizing that the goal of 30 ATC sites, obviously all of them to date are in the East, in the South and out West. So the question is, would the remainder, of course, I assume be in the Midwest, Missouri through, I guess, Utah, if you think about it. But also importantly given the cost comments that you've made, cost reduction comments that you made, is there a notion or a thought that you in fact may need more salespeople certainly in that Midwest region? Speaker 800:23:50Thanks very much. Speaker 400:23:55I can address the question directly. So take it, Tony. Yes. So, yes, the distribution of the sites was designed based on the concentration of patients that we see in these cancer centers already. So we do expect to see more in the middle of the country, but also the largest concentration and that's why a lot of the sites are where they are today that there is a higher concentration of patients there too. Speaker 400:24:28Our goal with the 30 treatment centers is to be able to provide access in a smoother way to the majority of the patients today. We currently have a footprint that we announced before of five regions with five key commercial leads and five medical leads in the field. And we are open to exploring opportunities to continue to increase. But at this point, we feel that this is the right number of people that we need to provide the right focus on the treatment centers. Speaker 800:25:05Thanks, Cynthia. Operator00:25:11Our next question comes from Gregg Evan Bay from Mizuho. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 900:25:19Yes, thanks. Good morning and thank you for the updates on the launch and congrats there. I had two questions relatively brief. Could you just remind us about the commercial strategy? Is it currently right now where your energies are primarily or singularly focused on The U. Speaker 900:25:38S? Or in other words, can you just remind us what the ex U. S. Strategy is that you would think that you would undertake on your own or is it with a partner? And then any timelines on filing in Europe? Speaker 900:25:52And then secondly, I was just struck just in the press release just on, I guess, the lack of the financials for the quarter. I realize that the K might come out next week. But that being said, any comments on OpEx in particular and kind of thoughts around OpEx trends for 2025 given the restructuring, given the goal of achieving profitability in 2027 relative to the uptake for TCEARA? Speaker 200:26:31Thanks, Greg. So I'll take the first question on broader strategies, commercialization strategies on our sarcoma franchise and then I'll ask Gavin to comment on the costs and the financials. So with respect to the Ex U. S, our view is that it is absolutely the absolutely critical thing for us to do is establish a commercially viable business around our sarcoma franchise in The United States. And that's the number one priority for us from a product commercialization perspective. Speaker 200:27:13It is obvious to us that there is demand outside of The United States and many people with synovial sarcoma and myxoid liposarcoma who would benefit from TCELLRA and from Letocell. And we've been clear for a while that we will explore both opportunities to territories where that is rational and also opportunities to partner where that is rational where that makes sense to. We can take advantage of other people's infrastructure, etcetera. Nonetheless, the most important thing is that we get The U. S. Speaker 200:27:54Right and that's really where all of our focus is internally at the moment. And so whilst we are having discussions with third parties about ex U. S. Strategies, our focus is very clearly on The United States. Gavin, do you want to talk on the financials? Speaker 1000:28:14Yes. Thanks, Greg. With regards to no financials in the earnings released today, given the impact of the restructuring on internal teams and the fact that we've got some new areas for the auditors considering including revenue and inventory. We just need a little more time to finish the 10 ks off. So we'll be publishing that on Monday. Speaker 1000:28:38With regards to your forward looking questions around OpEx in 2025, I'll reiterate what we said at the Q4. We think the restructuring will reduce our run rate costs in 2025 by around about $50,000,000 Today, we've announced that we'll be putting our preclinical programs on hold in PRAME and ADP five twenty. That will drive incremental savings of roughly $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 over the next four years. An element of that will be in 2025 And we'll be able to update you in more detail on that at the Q1 earnings call. Operator00:29:22Our next question comes from Ynon Xu from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 600:29:29Hi. Thanks for taking our questions. This is Quan on for Yanan. So our question is also around TCELLA launch and ATC. So you mentioned that the majority of patients of frederases so far came from majority of them came from the first five ATCs. Speaker 600:29:48Can you remind us when did those five ATCs became active? And do you expect the additional ATCs to onboard patients as efficiently as those five ATCs? Thank you. Thank Speaker 400:30:05you. I can address that question. So those five ATCs were active last year throughout the launch and we do expect now the ATCs that have been activated this year to bring additional patients. In fact, eighty five percent of the ATCs of the 20 that are already in our website have identified at least one patient, the majority of them multiple patients. And so that's going to continue to grow as we onboard and activate more ATCs. Speaker 600:30:49Got it. Thank you for that. And can you remind us what percentage of the patient that the first twenty ATCs cover and how about the next 10? Thank you. Speaker 400:31:03So what's happening today is that the patients are and it's going to continue to happen to a certain extent. The patients can be tested anywhere. So they are being tested locally and then when that patient is a biomarker positive patient for both biomarkers, then they end up getting referred to the treatment centers that are active already. So it's hard to calculate a number of patients per ATC because that referral pattern is being established as we activate these ATCs. But certainly the proximity to the patients and the proximity to where the referral sites are is going to make it easier for patients to get to the treatment centers, the more treatment centers we have. Speaker 400:31:57Does that answer your question? Speaker 600:31:59Yes. That's helpful. Thank you so much. Okay. Speaker 400:32:01Great. No, thank you. Operator00:32:06Our next question comes from George Farmer from Scotiabank. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1100:32:11Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First one is on your ex U. S. Efforts. Speaker 1100:32:17This was touched on earlier, but are you actively engaging in the process of trying to of filing in the EU or is that on hold? And realistically, when do you think this drug could be available or the cell therapy could be available in Europe? And my second question relates to PRAME CD70. Can you talk about any level of outside interest in these programs? And do you think that those programs could be monetized in any way in the near future? Speaker 1100:32:52Thanks. Speaker 500:33:00I Speaker 200:33:05was going to say we haven't provided timelines for the ex U. S. Filing etcetera. But I would like to ask Dennis to comment on the regulatory position and development position there, particularly for the EU. Speaker 1200:33:22Yes. Thanks, Ed. So we have for TAEZELRA, we are part of the PRIME scheme in Europe for this program. We have all the things that you would typically do pre approval in advance of marketing applications. So we have an agreed pediatric investigational plan. Speaker 1200:33:40We have working drug designation. For a variety of strategic reasons to make a stronger application, we're more likely to go in with the full trial results, meaning cohorts one, two and three of the STEARHEAD one trial. So as you know, right, we're looking to conclude our confirmatory evidence later this year. So we're going to report out the results of cohorts two and three in the third quarter. And when we have the totality of data that's independent of the launch activities in Europe, That's really the strategy we would go in with a marketing application in Europe if the decision was to pursue that. Speaker 200:34:22Thanks, Dennis. And with respect to your other question, I mean, the on PRAME and CD70, I mean, both of those programs target what I generally regarded in the industry as very high value, large opportunity targets. And they are already of interest to a range of pharma companies and other large and small biotechs who have programs in this space. And so we continue to believe that and we have ongoing discussions that those are likely to be valuable programs for us. However, I will refer to my comments in the scripted portion of this call that we are exploring all opportunities for in order to be able to enable us to be successful with our sarcoma franchise that includes those partnerships. Speaker 200:35:42It includes other collaborations, strategic combinations, other financial transactions and monetization opportunities as well. And we have a lot of those levers that we can pull and we will give updates when we have something tangible to talk about. Speaker 1100:36:05Okay. Thanks, Adrian. Speaker 200:36:07Yes, Stuart. Operator00:36:10Our next question comes from Arthur Heap from H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1300:36:18Hey, good morning, Ed and the team. Thanks for taking my question. So I apologize if this question has been addressed before. So could you give us more color on the patient number has been identified by market eligible for during so far during this year. Speaker 200:36:45Yes. So maybe I'll ask Cynthia to comment on that. Speaker 400:36:50Yes, I can address that. We in addition to the 10 patients that have been A3s, we do have line of sight for about 20 other patients that are double positive and are going to be getting into the journey moving forward. We see a lot of excitement from the sites with the launch and now the availability of this new option for patients in an area that has not had any innovation. So we see excitement in sites becoming treatment centers, but also with the other sarcoma centers of excellence in identifying and testing patients. Speaker 1300:37:36Thank you. And just a quick follow-up. So to date, what's the roughly conversion rate from the double positive patient to get the emphasis? Speaker 400:37:51So it's more a matter of time than percentage. And so each patient has a very different journey, so it can take different timings for them to be able to get through insurance approval, schedule ifreases and go through the process. It's just two very low numbers at this time for us to be able to calculate any very specific statistics. The majority of them are going through the journey over time. Speaker 1300:38:24Thank you. Very helpful. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 600:38:28Thanks, Al. Speaker 400:38:28Thank you. Operator00:38:30Our next question comes from Michael Kim from Zacks Small Cap Research. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1400:38:42First, just curious to get your perspective on the incremental $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 of savings related to pausing on PRAME and CD70, just in terms of how these incremental savings impact the anticipated timeline for reaching an inflection in operating Speaker 600:39:09profitability? Yes. Speaker 1000:39:10So thanks, Michael. So clearly those incremental savings will help accelerate that time to profitability, but there are Speaker 500:39:17a number of other Speaker 1000:39:18variables involved in that, including successful launch of Ticella and the acceleration and ramping that we're already seeing, though of course, we're four, five months into this. The launch of letter sales will be important part of that as well. So a number of variables, but continue to focus on our cost base and being judgmental about where we put our assets to work will clearly help in expediting that voyage to profitability. Speaker 1400:39:50Got it. Okay. And then appreciate the commentary on Lettucell in terms of initiating the BLA later this year with an anticipated approval in 'twenty six, which I think would represent a meaningfully shorter timeline with respect to the process for TAEZELRA. So just curious to get your thoughts on where you might be able to leverage your experience with TAEZELRA to drive synergies or efficiencies? And then what sort of timeline are you building in for FDA approval once you complete the BLA? Speaker 1400:40:35Thanks. Speaker 200:40:38Thanks, Robert. I'm going to ask Dennis to talk about the how the learnings from TCELLRA have built into our plans for LetyCell and the path to approval. And then maybe I'll ask Cynthia to talk about how we anticipate the launch of LetyCell in the context of a fully established commercial organization and treatment network that we've established with TESARRA. Dennis, do Speaker 600:41:06you want to go first? Speaker 1200:41:09Yes, sure. Thanks, Ed. There are a lot of learnings that we have from the Dacelra BLA review and approval that we have already incorporated into the planning of the Lettucell BLA as we prepare it. So they could be on the clinical side just or the CMC side things at the FDA going through that process. But essentially the same patient population that they would expect to see as far as planning around the the companion diagnostics and having contemporaneous approval. Speaker 1200:41:43So all those learnings will be applied. Now to your question about the FDA review period, we have breakthrough therapy designation for both indications for Letticell, both for synovial sarcoma and more recently that we received for mixoid round cell led sarcoma. That application, that breakthrough therapy designation was based on the results of the IGNITE ESO, right? Speaker 1300:42:08So the FDA has already seen some of the Speaker 1200:42:10data from the pivotal trial. But as you know, these designations grant a lot of avenues to expedite development. Among them is the rolling review, which we intend to pursue that and we'll start that process at the end of the year. We would also be eligible for a priority review and a priority review for this application would essentially be eight months. So this is the some of the timings that go into the plan where we would expect approval at the end of next year. Speaker 1200:42:39And then Cynthia, I think you're going to have some additional comments about the launch activities. Speaker 400:42:45Yes. Thank you, Dennis. So from a commercial perspective, as you would imagine, there's a lot of synergies. So initially, targeted therapy in sarcoma is something new. So testing patients is something that is being established right now for Kacelra and that's going to be established when we bring Latticell on board. Speaker 400:43:06It's going to be a different target, but the paradigm of testing patients for sarcoma is going to be established. JTC network is going to be available and a lot easier to just pick up on Ladysel. Commercial platform is in place in terms of ordering and all of the chain of custody, chain of identity process is all established already. And we do have a small commercial team, but really we're very proud of the team that is in the field across both medical and commercial. They're very experienced in working with the sites and the customer overlap with Latico, it's 100%. Speaker 400:43:46So we're going to leverage exactly the same network and commercial footprint, medical footprint that we have in place at this time. So a lot of synergies with Lettucell. Speaker 1400:44:03Great. Very helpful. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Martin. Speaker 400:44:07Thank you. Operator00:44:17Our next question comes from Peter Lawson from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 1500:44:23Great. Thanks for the update. Thanks for taking the questions. Just on the ATCs that are actively infusing patients, kind of how many have infused more than one patient and what percentage of those ATCs are actively infusing and then just your confidence level around kind of whether it's meeting or exceeding that target of 30 sensors by year end. Speaker 200:44:51Cynthia? Speaker 400:44:53I can address that. So as I mentioned before, about five ATCs have been the ones responsible for the patients that have been increased so far. We do have ATCs that infused more than one patient. And the pace in which the ATCs are enrolling patients and having patients they freeze is exactly as what we would expect. The pace of onboarding ATCs has actually been a little faster than what we expected based on prior experiences. Speaker 400:45:30And I attribute that really to the excitement of the sarcoma specialists to be able to offer this new treatment option for their patients. So and also the fact we learned a lot from the prior cell therapy programs. We had a lot of conversations with our treatment centers to make sure that we implemented an onboarding process that was as simple as it could possibly be. And having a team that is very focused and customized to meet the needs of these customers in a way that the process is as simple as it can be and it can be expedited and we can troubleshoot very specifically as needed. Speaker 1500:46:24Great. Thank you. And then there are any capacity constraints or matter of fact in bottlenecks that could potentially limit the patient infusions you need to kind of hit to 2025 and also that 2027 profitability number? Speaker 400:46:41We have not seen any capacity limitations so far, not on our manufacturing side, not on the site side as well in terms of A380s beds and maybe John can comment on this as well, but we are capacity is enough to reach all of our goals. But John, you want to comment on it? Speaker 1600:47:05Sure. Thanks, Sanjay. Absolutely. I think some of the challenges that we've perhaps seen in other CAR T launches that we've learned from have put us in a position where we don't have capacity constraints. Adrian mentioned that we've been exceeding our targets of the thirty day time from the A3s collection to release. Speaker 1600:47:24And he also mentioned that while it's a small number, we've had a 100% success rate thus far with our commercial, which is of course both of those are different than what you've seen in other CAR T. So it just gives us continued confidence that we've set this up right for a successful launch and ultimately on the way to Medicell as well. Speaker 1500:47:41Got you. Thank you. I know it's hard to kind of break out individual components, but for that cost savings from PRAME, CD70 and headcount reduction, What proportion of that is kind of folded into the commercial rollout versus extending the cash runway? Speaker 1300:48:03Gavin? Yes, Peter, I Speaker 1000:48:05think you're right when you say it's difficult to break those components at the moment. We'll certainly give a further update to the Q1 earnings update. But we are absolutely focused on successful commercial launch and applying resources appropriately to support what's been so far a very successful launch of TECELRA. Operator00:48:33And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Adrian Lockliff for closing remarks. Speaker 200:48:44Thanks and thank you everybody for your questions. As I think we've demonstrated, we have great traction and acceleration on the launch of TESARRA and I'm really looking forward to being able to update you on that as we move through the year and also on the progress towards the BLA for Letisail. We will continue to manage the cost base. We will continue to push forward through to profitability in 2027. And we will leave no stone unturned to enable us to achieve that from a financing perspective. Speaker 200:49:18And with that, I'll close the call. Thank you all for your questions and your interest. Operator00:49:25This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.Read morePowered by