Fractyl Health Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Fractal Health's Fourth Quarter and Full Year twenty twenty four Financial Results and Business Updates Call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a question and answer session following management's prepared remarks. I will now turn the call over to Brian Duque, Head of Investor Relations and Corporate Development at Fractal.

Operator

Brian, you may now begin.

Brian Luque
Brian Luque
Head - IR & Corporate Development at Fractyl Health

Thank you. This afternoon, we issued a press release that outlines the topics we plan to discuss today. This release is available at www.fractal.com under the Investors tab. Joining us on the call today are Doctor. Harith Rajagopalan, Chief Executive Officer and Lisa Davidson, Chief Financial Officer.

Brian Luque
Brian Luque
Head - IR & Corporate Development at Fractyl Health

During this call, we make forward looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our forward looking statements. We provide a comprehensive list of risk factors in our SEC filings, including the annual report on Form 10 K filed today, which I encourage you to review. Any forward looking statements on the call are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties, speak only as of the call's original date, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of the statements, even if subsequent events cause the company's views to change. It is now my pleasure to pass the call over to Harish.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Thank you, Brian, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. GLP-one drugs have undoubtedly transformed people's ability to achieve short term weight loss. However, real world data revealed a significant unmet need in obesity that remains. Nearly sixty five percent of patients discontinue these treatments within the first year with many experiencing rapid weight regain thereafter.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

According to a recent study in JAMA, only a minority of individuals who stop taking GLP-one drugs reinitiate therapy within one year. So while these drugs deliver initial success, long term weight maintenance remains elusive for too many people caught in an unending pattern of loss and regain. Even as more drug options become available, it's becoming clear that non drug options will play a crucial role in long term weight maintenance. This is the single largest gap in obesity care today. Fractal is pioneering the first potentially durable solution to address the weight maintenance crisis, not just managing symptoms, but tackling the root cause of obesity in the duodenum with Revita and developing a potentially one and done smart GLP-one gene therapy with RORJUVA.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

The unmet need is clear and we are driving as rapidly as possible to deliver important data sets to demonstrate the potential of our solutions to address this need. Today, I'll take you through the defining milestones of twenty twenty four and why we believe 2025 marks a pivotal step forward for Fractal as we are laser focused on our efforts to deliver long term metabolic health solutions to patients who need them. We made tremendous strides across clinical, regulatory and financial milestones in 2024. We completed our IPO debuting on the NASDAQ under the tickler symbol GUTS, strengthening our financial position. Secured FDA IDE approval for a pivotal study of RAVIDA's role in weight maintenance following GLP-one drug discontinuation, setting the stage for a major value inflection point as we generate the industry's first ever randomized data in weight maintenance, a completely untapped market earned FDA breakthrough device designation for Ruvita in weight maintenance after discontinuation of GLP-one based therapy.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Initiated the REMAIN-one pivotal study with an overwhelmingly positive response from both patients and physicians reinforcing the urgent demand for an off ramp to GLP-one drugs. Advanced our RORJUVA gene therapy platform, nominating RORJUVA001 as a first smart GLP-two diabetes candidate and RORJUVA002 as a smart GIP GLP-one candidate for obesity received industry recognition with REJUVA's preclinical data being named a top abstract at ADA's eighty fourth Scientific Sessions for a head to head study that showed REJUVA prevented weight and glycemic rebound after semaglutide withdrawal and completed key in vivo studies to support a clinical trial application for RIGUVA-one, laying the foundation for the next steps in this important program. Turning to 2025, we expect this to be a breakout year for Fractal. Our first pivotal data readout, our first regulatory filings for our gene therapy platform and our clear path to market leadership in obesity and metabolic health. We have two distinct, but highly de risked event paths, one for RAVITA and weight maintenance and the other for RIGUVA001 path to first in human data in type two diabetes.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

We expect to achieve key clinical milestones from the REMAIN-one study in 2025, starting with open label data from the REVEAL one cohort expected at the end of Q1, a midpoint analysis anticipated at the end of Q2 and full study enrollment expected in the summer, each milestone driving us closer to breakthrough advancements in weight maintenance. We also plan to submit the first CTA module for RORJUVA001 in type two diabetes to regulators in the first half of twenty twenty five. And if our CTA is authorized, we expect to report preliminary data in 2026. Now let's dive deeper into the progress we've made and what's on the horizon. In January, we made the strategic decision to focus our RAVIDA program exclusively on weight maintenance post GLP-one withdrawal, prioritizing the REMAIN-one pivotal study.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

This decision was driven by promising early insights from REVEAL one and overwhelming demand from both patients and physicians to participate in the REMAIN ONE pivotal study. In just six months, over one hundred and eighty nine patients have enrolled across 13 clinical sites, reinforcing the urgent need for an effective off ramp from GLP-one therapy. In January, we also shared initial results from the first patient treated in the REVEAL one open label cohort. This patient lost more than 15% of their total body weight on a GLP-one drug and after discontinuing per study protocol underwent the RAVITA procedure. One month post procedure, the patient successfully maintained their weight loss during the holiday season, a notoriously challenging time for weight management.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

For context, prior studies of tirzepatide withdrawal show an average 3% weight regain within four weeks of GLP-one discontinuation. These early findings suggest Rubida may provide a path forward for patients transitioning off GLP-1s and we look forward to sharing additional patient data later this month. The financial pressures on current GLP-one treatments are becoming impossible to ignore with over seventy percent of U. S. Adults affected by obesity driving an estimated $170,000,000,000 in annual medical costs.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Payers are reassessing their coverage. For example, West Virginia's Public Employees Insurance Agency recently discontinued GLP-one coverage citing unsustainable monthly costs and insurers in states like North Carolina and Colorado are following suit, amplifying the need for sustainable long term solutions. There is an interesting emergent dynamic in that obesity has become a health equity concern for public payers and yet they are struggling to justify ongoing coverage of drugs that clearly work, but where their own real world evidence shows that adherence is a significant issue. Doctor. Shailendra Singh, Director of Bariatric Endoscopy at West Virginia University Medicine and a PI in our REVEAL one study has observed that patients who have achieved weight loss with GLP-1s are now beginning to ask what's next.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

He shared with me, I'm excited to provide solutions for patients who otherwise have none. There is incredible interest in joining this study and in the prospect of long term durable weight maintenance solutions. Shifting focus to the REMAIN-one randomized pivotal study, this groundbreaking double blind trial is designed to evaluate the efficacy of our RAVITA procedure in sustaining weight loss after discontinuation of GLP-one drugs. As the first study of its kind, REMAIN ONE places Fractal at the cutting edge of innovation in long term weight maintenance solutions. Let's frame what is a reasonable expectation for a clinically meaningful weight maintenance solution.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

The FDA has specified that weight maintenance is defined as the achievement and maintenance of clinically meaningful weight loss for one year after the discontinuation of ongoing therapy. In their SURMOUNT four study of tirzepatide withdrawal, Eli Lilly reported that only about sixteen percent of study participants maintained at least 80% of the weight they had lost while on the drug one year afterward. We believe that a weight maintenance therapy should at a minimum retain at least 50% of their weight loss at one year. A home run would be for a majority of patients to retain at least 80% of the weight they had lost at one year. Given the magnitude of the unmet need, we believe this range of outcomes would be a tremendous victory for patients who need to maintain their hard won weight loss.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

And despite the development of a variety of products for obesity ranging from peptides to small molecules to siRNA approaches, we are unaware of any other products in development that have the potential to sustain metabolic benefits for more than one year after drug discontinuation like the ones we are developing at Fractal. The German real world registry study in patients with type two diabetes has given us valuable data that validates our confidence in RAVITA as a potential solution. We have seen impressive clinical results in the first tranche of 17 patients who have achieved one year of follow-up. Despite the fact that these individuals represent a hard to treat patient segment, at twelve months post RAVITA procedure, mean weight was reduced by more than seven kilograms within one month and then sustained for one year thereafter. At twelve months post procedure, ninety four percent of participants reported they would undergo RAVITA again and one hundred percent would recommend the procedure to a family member or friend.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

To date, no device or procedure related serious adverse events have been reported. Think about what this means. In a hard to treat patient population, they undergo a procedure and one year later they are living their lives at a lower weight sustainably. We believe this is a very powerful clinical profile for a weight maintenance therapy in a real world setting. Looking beyond data and with an eye towards commercialization, we plan to leverage our relationships with GI endoscopists who specialize in bariatric and metabolic endoscopy to build a scalable and efficient commercial model.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

These physicians have a built in patient base actively seeking sustainable weight management solutions and a strong referral network from primary care providers. The integration of Revita into these existing workflows, where millions of endoscopic procedures are already performed annually for patients with obesity, creates a clear high volume opportunity for broad adoption. Unlike traditional drug based approaches, RAVITA represents a durable procedure based intervention designed to fit seamlessly into the standard of care for patients transitioning off GLP-one therapy. We look forward to continuing to build out this targeted commercial model and discussing our path forward in future quarters. Now let's talk about REJUVA, our next generation approach to metabolic disease.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Unlike traditional GLP-1s that bombard your system with high drug levels, our smart GLP-one candidates are designed for physiologically regulated expression. More GLP-one when you need it, where you need it and how much you need. We believe this is the next generation of incretin therapy. Moreover, the anticipated low viral doses can enable a low cost of goods and a new pricing model for gene therapies because a patient population at risk is so large. This is a new commercial model for gene therapies and one that we believe can overcome the challenges of commercializing gene therapies to date.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

At the end of last year, at the World Congress for Insulin Resistance, we presented key preclinical data demonstrating the successful targeted delivery of RIGUVA-one, our smart GLP-one pancreatic gene therapy in large animal models. Using our proprietary endoscopic ultrasound guided system, we achieved safe and precise pancreatic delivery in UKUTAN pigs at a low total viral dose, closely mirroring our planned first in human studies. Results showed therapeutically relevant GLP-one expression within pancreatic beta cells with no adverse safety effects, reinforcing RORJUVA001's potential as a breakthrough approach for Type two diabetes. We recently met again with German regulators and achieved alignment on a patient population and study design for the RORJUVA001 first in human study. Our primary focus will be to evaluate its safety and tolerability and the study is also designed to provide an early indication of potential efficacy to help determine the optimal dose for a future Phase three study.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

We plan to investigate one in a patient population with uncontrolled Type two diabetes who are on a GLP-one drug and between one to three other non insulin glucose lowering agents. We're very encouraged by the positive dialogue with German regulators and the favorable feedback we have received thus far on our preclinical program and data and our upcoming CTA filing. And with this critical validation and alignment in place, we are on track to submit this first CTA module to regulators in the first half of twenty twenty five. And if our CTA is authorized, expect to report preliminary data in 2026. We hope to show how a smart GLP-one can reshape the treatment paradigm in metabolic disease and bend the curve toward remission of obesity and type two diabetes.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

With that, I will now turn the call to Lisa to provide an update on our fourth quarter and full year financials. Lisa?

Lisa Davidson
Lisa Davidson
CFO & Treasurer at Fractyl Health

Thank you, Hari. In the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, revenue was generated from our commercial pilot in Germany and enabled patients to enroll in the German Real World Registry study. Turning to operating expenses. Research and development expense in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four was $20,300,000 compared to $10,100,000 for the same period in 2023. The increase during the quarter was primarily due to the progress made in our REMAIN ONE clinical study, the REVITALIZE ONE clinical study, continued development of the REJUVA platform and increased personal related expenses, including stock based compensation.

Lisa Davidson
Lisa Davidson
CFO & Treasurer at Fractyl Health

Selling, general and administrative expense in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four was $4,900,000 compared to $2,800,000 in the same period in 2023. The increase during the quarter was primarily due to the increased costs associated with operating as a publicly traded company and increased personal related expenses, including stock based compensation. For the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, we reported a net loss of $25,000,000 compared to a net loss of $19,200,000 for the same period in 2023. The increase in net loss was primarily attributed to the increase in operating expenses discussed above, partially offset by the non cash gain from changes in fair value of warrant liabilities, as well as an increase in net interest income. As of 12/31/2024, Fractal had approximately $67,500,000 in cash and cash equivalents.

Lisa Davidson
Lisa Davidson
CFO & Treasurer at Fractyl Health

Based on our current development plans, we believe that our existing cash and cash equivalents will be sufficient to fund our operations through key anticipated company clinical milestones into 2026. I will now turn the call back to Hari.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Thank you, Lisa. We are not just participating in the obesity revolution, we are defining it. These are the earliest days in this market with products that show tremendous promise and yet large unmet needs that remain. This is our moment to lead and we are moving with urgency. 2025 will be the year that we show the world that weight maintenance is possible.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

The work we are doing today has the power to change millions of lives offering real, lasting solutions beyond temporary fixes. The demand is clear, the science is strong, and our path forward is bold. It takes guts. I want to take a moment to express my deep gratitude to the patients and physicians who place their trust in us, to the dedicated employees at Fractal who are relentless in their pursuit of life changing therapies, and to you, our shareholders, whose support fuels our mission. Your belief in our work drives us forward, and we have never been more confident in our ability to deliver on our promises.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

And with that, we will now open the call up for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. You. Our first question comes from the line of Jason Gerberry of BofA Securities. Your line is open, Jason.

Analyst

Hey, guys. This is Chi on for Jason. Thanks for taking our questions. I guess the first one, I want to touch on remain one. So you are expecting a twelve week meeting point analysis late in second quarter.

Analyst

We say right at the start of second quarter now. So presumably you have a line of sight on how many patients who have achieved the pre specified 15% total body weight loss and those who have subsequently been randomized two to one to receive Revita and or sham. So I'm hoping you can elaborate if you have randomized already randomized roughly 40 patients or so that are expected for the knee point analysis. And curious what are the dropout rates so far that is patients getting free to his appetite, but don't follow through with the randomized portion of the study?

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Hi, Chi. Thank you for the call and the question. I think that as of this morning, there were nearly one hundred patients who have achieved either 15% body weight loss or close to it. A substantial number of the proportion of the forty five have been randomized and or procedures are being scheduled. What I can I don't know the exact number off the top of my head, but what I can tell you is that there's not a single patient who has dropped out of the study because they have not wanted to undergo the procedure so far?

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

So every patient who has hit 15% body weight loss and who's had a procedure, who has been scheduled, has undergone that procedure. And we're gratified by that fact because as you know, there's a question about whether patients might just enroll in the study in order to get tirzepatide and then not be interested in the procedure itself. That has not been an issue that we have observed thus far. And with respect to the exact timing of the midpoint analysis, we will be giving updates along with REVEAL one data at the end of this month, but we remain on track based on what we're seeing right now.

Analyst

Great. That's a good segue to my second question and thanks for the color on RAVI one. So on REVEAL one, you have data expected later this month. What sort of format and venue do you have in mind for the data disclosure? Can you remind us your expectation of the REVEAL one data?

Analyst

I know you've referenced

Analyst

the

Analyst

first time waking up to four weeks. So remind us what your expectation of the review one first dataset and do you expect a lot of data variability from the 10 patient or so worth of data?

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Oh, yes.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

We're having some background from the operator, but I'll go ahead and answer your question. I'll repeat your question, Chi, and then we'll go ahead. So what you're asking is, what is the expectation for how we're going to present the data and then also the variability there? I can tell you that this is a more heterogeneous patient population than REMAIN-one. As you may remember for the audience, as you may remember in REMAIN-one, we're taking individuals who are obese, who are GLP-one drug naive.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

We're providing tirzepatide, titrating them to 15% body weight loss and then randomizing them. And in the process of after stopping their tirzepatide and what that allows is a more or less homogeneous group of individuals who have lost a little bit over 15% total body weight loss. In REVEAL, we are enrolling subjects who have already been on either semaglutide or tirzepatide. The majority of them have been on tirzepatide, but they have lost varying amounts of weight relative to what you would expect to see from the REMAIN study. What we've shared already is that a single individual who lost between 1718% total body weight, who was followed through her one month visit in January and roughly six weeks after tirzepatide discontinuation and little bit more than a month after the Revita procedure, she had not regained any body weight and had not been feeling any ill health.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

So what we hope to be able to show with the press release in the end of the month is a clear picture of this group of open label patients when REVEAL one and to be able to give enough information to be able to unpack how you might translate that into what you would expect to see from remain.

Analyst

Got it. And just last quick one from me on REJUVA.

Analyst

Can you talk about what

Analyst

are the gating items you need to complete before the CTA submission in first half twenty twenty five? I know you talked about this before, but I'm hoping you can fine tune where you are at with the process. And are you still planning to initiate a first in human study in the first half?

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Right. So we provided additional clarity on that in our guidance today. We are going to be filing our first CTA module in the first half of the year. There's a device module and a drug module. The device module is going to have certain preclinical verification testing that needs to be completed in addition to the in vivo testing on CTA enabling studies that have been done like aging and biocompatibility.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

So those are the sorts of things that remain on the device side of the house. And on the drug side of the house, we have some remaining CMC assay test and final testing to be completed before the drug is complete. And we are going to initiate that submission in the first half of the year as we had previously discussed.

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Holes of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead, Mike.

Michael Ulz
Michael Ulz
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

Great. Good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just

Michael Ulz
Michael Ulz
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

a follow-up on RAVITA and the REVEAL one

Michael Ulz
Michael Ulz
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

open label portion of the study. You mentioned planning to give an update sort of end of this month. Just curious number of patients you plan to share. I think in the past you were suggesting maybe around 10 patients. Is that still the case?

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Yes, that's still the case. We've actually just been constraining the size of that study as we've been also focusing on enrolling remain. And so we are continuing to we've enrolled north of 10 patients so far and we are planning on sharing about 10 patients worth of data by the end of the month.

Michael Ulz
Michael Ulz
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

Okay, great. And then maybe just a REJUVA question more on two, if you could just remind us or give us an update there on the status of that program and next steps there? Thanks.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

So REJUVA two is a smart GIP GLP-one dual in craton. It's the same delivery catheter that we developed for one and it is the same AAV9 backbone. The difference is that it will that it's a plasma that will express both GIP and GLP-one. That's still in preclinical testing and we have not provided guidance at this time on when that will go to the clinic. We do believe that REJUVA one in preclinical studies has demonstrated efficacy on both blood sugar and on body weight.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

We are planning to enroll patients who have obesity and type two diabetes in the first in human study. And we believe that we're going to learn a great deal about dosing from REJUVA001 that will inform how we plan to dose two in patients as well. And so you'll as we make more progress on one in the clinic or path to the clinic and then into the clinic, we'll give you guidance on two's timeline to a person human as well.

Michael Ulz
Michael Ulz
Executive Director at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks again for taking my questions.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael DiCiari of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead, Michael.

Michael Difiore
Managing Director at Evercore

Hi guys. Thanks so much for taking my questions and congrats on all the progress. Just two quick ones for me. Regarding that first patient in REVEAL that maintained her body weight, is there any update on that patient in terms of how far, how much further along she is and whether she still has maintained or not gained any weight back? And have you done any further workup or even biomarker analysis on that patient to maybe shed some more light on durability or even mechanism for that matter?

Michael Difiore
Managing Director at Evercore

Thank you.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Thanks, Mike. I don't have any additional information to share at this time. I don't though we will have more information in due course. And one of the nice things about the REVEAL one open label study is that there we plan to continue to follow these patients beyond early follow-up as you know. So we're going to share one month data in a cohort, but we certainly will be following that up with three month and six month data when we have it, but I have no specific additional information to share at this time.

Michael Difiore
Managing Director at Evercore

Got it. And just one quick follow-up, more of a commercial type of question. Are there any plans assuming the REVEAL one and the remain midpoint analysis is stellar in CUBMIDIA. Are there any plans to seek potential strategic partnerships or collaborations to maybe bolster commercialization efforts and share development costs?

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Great question, Mike. We're talking to a lot of the major players in the space. I believe that this is a study and an endpoint and an unmet need that is very much on a lot of people's minds. And I think that there are a lot of people who would be interested in this therapy and the opportunity.

Michael Difiore
Managing Director at Evercore

Got it. Thanks so much. Yes.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of William Wood of B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead, William.

William Wood
Equity Research Analyst at B.Riley Securities

Thank you so much and congratulations on a very nice year and quarter. A couple from us, maybe just one brief one on or actually I guess sort of a combined two on the REVEAL one. I'm just kind of curious as we move throughout the year, you said you'd be providing additional data points in weight loss or weight maintenance, I guess. But when upon those readouts, would we expect sort of increasing data including biomarkers, possibly body composition or other events or other additional data analysis? And then additionally, do you think and I understand at least in remain, it's all tirzepatide based population, but do you or would you potentially expect differences in weight regain based on whether the patient originally took Sema or tirzepatide just with differences in body composition after those two drugs or any other differences in those weight loss dynamics?

William Wood
Equity Research Analyst at B.Riley Securities

And I have a follow-up. Thank you.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Thanks, William. Appreciate it. So we are collecting blood and doing lab work on assessments on blood sugar parameters, cardiovascular parameters and also measuring leptin as a biomarker for body fat mass content. And so we will be compiling those data and then sharing them over the later on in the year for REVEAL. And while we expect top line data for remain at the end of Q2, we do plan to continue to investigate blood sugar and other assessments as well for reporting later on, although I can't guarantee that all of that will be available right upfront.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

With respect to the weight regain, our analysis, and we've looked at this extensively is that the weight regain from semaglutide and tirzepatide does not depend so much on the drug that they're on, but rather on the time course since the discontinuation of the medicine. And so that's part of what we think is important to share as we walk through the REVEAL data set so that people can understand how to think about what Ruvita may be doing from the open label cohort as a prelude to the randomized data coming thereafter.

William Wood
Equity Research Analyst at B.Riley Securities

Excellent. Appreciate that extra color. And then in terms of you mentioned that there's been a couple of states or I guess maybe even numerous states that have either rejected, insuring or covering obesity treatments and then there's been others that have sort of put it on the table and either accepted it or then sort of turn back the clocks on it. Have you gone to any of the states or bodies that have potentially had these sort of back and forth thoughts on obesity treatments and sort of seen what their idea is on the DMR sort of treatment? And if this is something that they look at and they're like, oh, this is we're actually very interested in this.

William Wood
Equity Research Analyst at B.Riley Securities

So sort of apart from say an FDA or a broad insurance program, Just curious of those thoughts.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Yes, we've had some conversations with public payers and I think we have a good understanding for what they view their pain points to be. I think that the proof will be in the data that we generate from remain and in the pivotal study in order to be able to articulate a value proposition more crisply. But what I can say is that the desire to be able to address obesity in a holistic way and in a cost effective manner is now very clear. I do not believe that that was perceived to be a need by payers five years ago, but I do believe that that is a groundswell that is occurring currently. And I believe that the public payers see that as much as the employers do.

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

So what we are aiming to be able to do with the REMAIN study, which and I think it is incredibly well designed to do that is to demonstrate a holistic strategy for durable weight maintenance that we believe will be highly attractive, but we'll have more to say about that with data in hand as we pursue the program over the coming quarters.

William Wood
Equity Research Analyst at B.Riley Securities

Got it. I understand. I'll stop there and hop back in the queue. Appreciate you taking our questions and congratulations again. Thank you.

Operator

I would now like to turn the conference back to Doctor. Rajagopalan for closing remarks. Sir?

Harith Rajagopalan
Harith Rajagopalan
Co-Founder, CEO & Director at Fractyl Health

Thank you very much. Thanks to everyone for joining us this afternoon. As always, we appreciate your continued interest in and support of Fractal and we look forward to continuing to sharing updates on our progress as we address weight maintenance in the coming months. Look forward to speaking with you again shortly.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Brian Luque
      Brian Luque
      Head - IR & Corporate Development
    • Harith Rajagopalan
      Harith Rajagopalan
      Co-Founder, CEO & Director
    • Lisa Davidson
      Lisa Davidson
      CFO & Treasurer
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Fractyl Health Q4 2024
00:00 / 00:00

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