BioHarvest Sciences Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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March 31, 2025

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the BioHarvest Sciences Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Corporate Update Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Before we begin the formal presentation, I'd like to remind everyone that statements made on today's call and webcast, including those regarding future financial results and industry prospects, are forward looking and may be subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause potential cause actual results to differ materially from those described on the call.

Operator

Please refer to the company's regulatory filings for a list of associated risks, and we would also refer you to the company's website for more supporting industry information. In addition, throughout today's call, the company may refer to adjusted EBITDA, a non IFRS financial measure, which it believes provides helpful information to investors about the performance of the business on an ongoing basis. A reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to its most directly comparable IFRS financial measure is included in today's earnings release, which is available on the BioHarvest website under the Investors tab. On our call today are Chief Executive Officer, Elon Sobel and Chief Financial Officer, Bar Discher. I would now like to hand the call over to CEO, Elon Sobel.

Operator

Elon, the floor is yours.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to welcome you to today's fourth quarter '20 '20 '4 corporate update conference call and only our second formal earnings call at a public company, an exciting milestone marking our new normal following our uplisting to the NASDAQ Global Markets late last year under the ticker BHST. Our NASDAQ listing and our continued strong revenue growth of 99% and achievement of $25,200,000 for the full year of 2024 was not an overnight success and really reflects years of relentless innovation, commitment, focus and operational momentum, as well as the trust and confidence of my fellow shareholders. This NASDAQ listing represents a pivotal step in broadening our reach, building credibility and securing our position as an industry thought leader. For those new to our story or joining us for the first time, I would like to introduce our company and background.

Speaker 1

BioHarvest Sciences is a biotech innovator and the inventor of botanical cellular synthesis, a proprietary process to synthesize plant based compounds. Rooted in plant cell biology, botanical synthesis provides consistent, reliable, economically viable and patent potent non GMO biological compounds for use in the nutraceutical, cosmetics, pharmaceutical and nutrition industries. We have spent over fifteen years perfecting our patented botanical synthesis technology platform, providing an alternative for non GMO production of plant based biological compounds without the need to grow the entire plant. Botanical synthesis allows for the perpetual creation of consistent botanical molecules, mirroring, magnifying and multiplying the active ingredients and uniquely requiring a physical plant only one time to develop our optimal cell banks, giving us the ability to address unmet market needs both with our own BioHarvest products and by developing molecules for industry partners via our CDMO. Our product division is currently led by Vineyard, our flagship red grape cell derived nutraceutical sold direct to consumers via subscription and accounting for the majority of our 25,200,000 revenue in 2024.

Speaker 1

Vineyard delivers a full matrix of red grape polyphenols including at concentrations 100 times higher than what is found in a grape and Vinea has been clinically shown to significantly increase dilation of arteries when consuming one four hundred milligram capsule of Vinea every day for ninety days. This dilation increases blood flow, which enhances the oxygen and nutrients to the body, tissues, cells and organs, increasing one's physical energy as well as mental alertness. Vinea is now a consistent top 10 performer in its category on Amazon despite its premium pricing. It has over 50,000 plus active subscribers with an impressive more than 90% of Vineyard.com revenue derived from subscriptions. We have now surpassed well over $50,000,000 in lifetime revenue, maintain a 4.8 out of five rating from more than 8,500 verified reviews.

Speaker 1

We own or have an exclusive license to use 26 patents and patent applications protecting our botanical platform technology as well as different Vinea applications. Vinea is backed by three peer reviewed and a total of eight scientific studies and is currently sold in The U. S. And Israel with regulatory approval secured in Canada and efforts underway in other key markets. The success of Vinea has been an important validation point for our botanical synthesis technology in the marketplace.

Speaker 1

This success has laid the foundation for our veneer inside strategy, scaling the red grape cell compound by disrupting new high margin billion dollar categories, where consumers are yearning for better health wellness products and are willing to pay a premium for products with superior science, efficacy and taste. These categories include functional coffee and tea, hydration powders and cosmetics, where in particular a natural product origin is critical for consumers. As we introduce future plant based compounds to market in our direct to consumer business, we plan to repeat this playbook, leveraging a direct path to a large community of loyal subscribers who already understand the benefits of our technology and have a deep relationship with Bar Harvest and our mission. For example, in March 2025, we announced in vitro test results showing that our olive cell compound caused a reduction in fat accumulation in human liver cells. When we release our product in 2026, we expect it to be back additional clinical testing and we believe the product will launch with a strong consumer proposition with immediate demand from our growing follower and subscription base.

Speaker 1

One year ago, we launched our CDMO, Contract Development and Manufacturing Organization Services Division to give major industrial partners access to botanically synthesized non GMO compounds via our proprietary botanical synthesis technology. Critically, this decision to open our technology allowed us to deliver on the company's North Star that I want to reiterate for the audience as it drives every decision we make at BioHarvest. That North Star is discover, develop, manufacture and democratize five to 10 life changing compounds on plants that positively impact the health and wellness of hundreds of millions of consumers globally, whilst doing this in a way that preserves the planet for generations to come. This enables us to develop patentable plant based compounds for third party partners across pharmaceutical, nutraceutical, cosmeceutical and nutrition industries. These complex molecules offer key advantages faster development, lower costs, improved safety and the ability to produce what others cannot, especially at scale.

Speaker 1

We have now built an incredible infrastructure with the equipment and scientific manpower to address multiple projects simultaneously, whilst concurrently ensuring we source key plants ethically or with the help of custom AI tools to help optimize R and D processes and discover new beneficial plant compounds. This paired with a new partnership with a reputable regulatory advisory firm to assist our pharmaceutical customers with navigating their new compounds throughout the regulatory landscape further eases the process for our customers. We can deliver trial ready biomass in nine to fifteen months with full scale production possible in twenty to twenty four months for a non recurring engineering fee of $2,500,000 to $4,500,000 which we earn a strong margin on. Successful products then transition to royalty based commercial manufacturing agreements providing long term recurring revenue and potential equity stakes. We've already signed multiple CDMO customers, including a marquee partnership finalized in Q4 last year with Tate and Lyle to develop next generation plant based zero calorie sweeteners.

Speaker 1

We have taken a selective strategic approach ensuring our R and D is focused on the highest impact opportunities with strong commercialization potential. We have made significant progress on these CDMO contracts and I look forward to reporting CDMO research milestones in the near term as well as discussing potential new CDMO customers, several of which are in the pipeline for announcement in the near term. The CDMO division is also taking the lead on the discovery of new plant based biological compounds using internally developed state of the art AI tools that enable us to bring compounds to market faster with greater efficiencies. We expect to detail progress and a roadmap on these activities in the Q1 earnings call. In the fourth quarter, we made continued progress in both our product and CDMO services divisions.

Speaker 1

Fourth quarter twenty twenty four revenue grew 62% year over year to $7,300,000 exceeding our prior guidance of $7,200,000 driven by continued strong Wyneus sales, further reflected in our robust 99% full year growth with total 2024 revenues of $25,200,000 We continue to see significant growth in our core Nutraceutical capsule business augmented by our Vineyard Inside products such as our hot beverage lineup of superfood coffees, which are expected to continue to drive consistent revenue growth in 2025 as our Vineyard take up compatible coffee business continues to scale having already driven $2,300,000 in revenue since its launch in December 2023. This new product momentum is poised to accelerate with the recent launch of our Vinya Superfoods functional tea lineup in tea sachets and the upcoming extension of our English breakfast tea and Matcha Green Tea into a K Cup compatible format, a major growth segment for our hot beverage business taking place in April 2025. Our focus on margin optimization and driving efficiencies across the organization has driven a substantial 600 basis point increase in gross margins, which grew to 57% in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four as compared to 51% a year ago. Year over year, gross margins improved by 1,000 basis points from 45% in 2023 to 55% in 2024.

Speaker 1

Our production line has now been fully digitized and in Q1 twenty twenty five, we completed the implementation of new bioreactors with 22% increased capacity. The result of these efforts is that we truly have a state of the art fully digitized biological manufacturing facility that will enable us to see a step change in efficiency and optimization of our production, which we believe will be reflected in improved go forward gross margin profile in the coming quarters. We are also seeing significant operating leverage in operations with full year general and administrative expenses decreasing 1.8% year over year in absolute terms despite a doubling of our revenue base and decreasing to 17% of revenue as compared to 35% in the prior year. This is a testament to the efficiencies that are possible as we scale with further operating expense growth largely constrained to only higher sales and marketing spend that is required to accompany our planned high double digit revenue growth, which is also expected to continue to shrink significantly on a percentage of revenue basis as we saw in 2024 versus 2023. The business today has strong growth momentum and I want to specifically stop and talk about our growth model for 2025.

Speaker 1

Our growth model is guided by the principle of profitability while achieving scale. We have elected to achieve adjusted EBITDA profitability at around $11,000,000 to $12,000,000 in revenue per quarter, which we feel based on the momentum we have will be realized in the second half of twenty twenty five. This balancing approach allows us to continue to make important investments in three critical areas, which will act as major catalyst to our business in the near future. One, increasing our products portfolio in the direct to consumer business. This means broadening the footprint of our Red Grape Cell molecule to new customers and channels, increasing scale and conversion in our funnels and ultimately driving further reduction of acquisition costs per new customer.

Speaker 1

In addition, this includes bringing to market new compounds backed by clinical trials such as our olit cell products, which will be targeting liver health. Two, investing in R and D to drive critical process improvements utilizing touching edge technology, which we call Botanical Synthesis two point zero to improve gross margins in our manufacturing organization and the speed of compound development in our CDMO. Three, developing new AI empowered capabilities for CDMO customers to increase speed to market of compounds we develop and improve efficiency levels translated to lower R and D costs required for the development of each compound. In the longer run, our growth model is targeting a 20% adjusted EBITDA margin for our products business and we believe we can target higher levels for the CDMO business over time. I'd like to elaborate a little more on how we plan to accelerate growth in our core capsule business and prioritize new direct to consumer product launches over the next few quarters.

Speaker 1

Our core capsule business grew by more than 90% in full year 2024 versus 2023. We expect continued high double digit growth on our capsules business via new initiatives to improve even further our high rate of funnel conversion, including our newly launched Vinea Double Packs initiative where we provide additional value for two consumers purchasing Vinea capsule subscriptions in each single household. To build on our great momentum with Vinea Superfood Coffee and further penetrate into U. S. Households, in June, we will launch the first Superfood Espresso Coffee in Espresso compatible pods to complete our play to bring disruptive functionality to the coffee category.

Speaker 1

Similarly, in addition to the Vinea Superfood tea portfolio already launched in tea sachets, in the month of April, we will launch Vinea Superfood English breakfast tea and matcha green tea in K Cup compatible format to penetrate the 40,000,000 plus K Cup and K Cup compatible machines in households and offices in The USA. The summer of twenty twenty five will also see the launch of our Vinea daily 2X formula Q lineup targeting super active consumers. People twenty to forty five who are looking for all the benefits of improved blood flow to increase their physical energy and mental alertness during sporting and exercise activities as well as in high stress demanding jobs. This Vinea daily 2X formula chew will be double dosed at eight hundred milligrams of Vinea in a great tasting chew for these super active consumers and athletes And in fact, we'll also be Informed Sport Certified, a global third party certification that provides assurances to athletes that products carrying the Informed Sport mark have been tested for prohibited substances and manufactured to the highest quality standards. These activities really demonstrate the significant lifetime value of our compounds based on their efficacy and ability to play across multiple delivery systems in categories giving consumers superior health and wellness benefits that they are craving across multi billion dollar categories whilst allowing our business to drive accretive margins.

Speaker 1

Before I provide my closing remarks, I'd like to call upon our CFO, Bah Dichter to review our financial results for the quarter ended 12/31/2024. Bah, over to you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ilan, and good afternoon, everyone. I will provide you with a succinct review of our financial results. A full breakdown is available in our SEC filings and in the press release that crossed the wire after market closed today. Please note that all figures are in U. S.

Speaker 2

Dollars unless stated otherwise. Revenue for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four increased 62% to $7,300,000 dollars which exceeded management's prior revenue guidance as compared to $4,500,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. The increase was largely driven by the growth in Vynia, which exceeded 50,000 active subscribers as of February 2025. Gross profit increased 80% to $4,100,000 or 56.7% of total revenue in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four as compared to $2,300,000 dollars or 50.7% of total revenue in the same year ago quarter. The increase in gross margin was primarily due to benefit of increased manufacturing scale, improved manufacturing yield and cost reduction in downstream packaging and delivery cost.

Speaker 2

Total operating expenses for the fourth quarter totaled $5,800,000 as compared to $4,800,000 in the same year ago quarter. The increase in operating expenses was primarily due to increased marketing spend and the higher expenses from the CDMO service division. Total operating expenses shrunk on a percentage of revenue basis to 80% of revenue as compared to 107% in the same year ago quarter. General and administration expenses in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four decreased to 20% of revenue as compared to 34% in the same year ago quarter, reflecting an increase in operating leverage as the company continued to scale. Net losses for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four totaled $3,000,000 or $0.17 per basic and diluted share as compared to a net loss of $7,200,000 or $0.53 per basic and diluted share in the same year ago quarter.

Speaker 2

Adjusted EBITDA, a non IFRS measure, totaled $1,800,000 as compared to adjusted EBITDA loss of $2,400,000 in the same year ago quarter. Cash and cash equivalents as of 12/31/2024, totaled $2,400,000 as compared to $5,400,000 as of 12/31/2023. Subsequent to the quarter end, the company raised $3,900,000 in attractive debt financing primarily from existing investors. I would like now to pass the call back to Ilan to offer some closing remarks, after which we will begin our Q and A session.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Bar, and thank you once again for everyone's time today and for your continued support of BioHarvest. We continue to remain guided by our North Star, which is to discover, develop, manufacture and democratize five to 10 life changing compounds that will positively transform the health and wellness of hundreds of millions of consumers whilst preserving the planet for generations to come. I feel privileged to have such an incredible team around me, supported by a world class board and I'm more excited at this point of time about what the future holds than at any prior point in the company's history given the capabilities we have built and the momentum the business has. I truly believe that BioHarvest is poised to change the world and count myself very lucky to be in the seat I am in today, fully understanding the gravity of the responsibility to succeed and deliver the benefits of our transformational technology to the world and to create value for our shareholders along the way. With that, I would now like to hand the call back to the operator to begin our question and answer session.

Speaker 1

Operator, over to you.

Operator

Thank you, Elon. We will now begin the question and answer session. First question comes from Anthony Vendetti with Maxim Group. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Elani, I was just wondering if you could give us a little bit of an update on some of the CDMO contracts you've signed, particularly the one with Tate and Lyle. Where are you at with them in terms of developing molecules? And has some of these CDMO contracts that you have already signed up, particularly the Tate and Lyle one that's been announced. Has that spurred interest in other contracts?

Speaker 3

And if you can give us sort of what your pipeline looks like as of right now in the CDMO business? Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Anthony. I appreciate the question. As excited about the direct to consumer business as I am, I share even more enthusiasm for the CDMO business just given the scale and the gravity of the life changing compounds that we have an opportunity to work on and the potential impact from a health and wellness perspective on hundreds of millions of consumers. As it relates to specifically the Tate and Lyle agreement, we've made great progress. I'm very excited to say that we have sourced our key plant and the team were working feverishly in the last couple of weeks with our critical tissue culture work and that's a major milestone for us.

Speaker 1

And from here, we will see continued good progress that we will be updating in the future. The what's important as well in addition to the Tate and Lyle deal and I'll come back to it in a second is we have signed a deal with a NASDAQ listed pharmaceutical company. That deal similarly is extensive amounts of work that's been completed as it relates to Phase one in the context of developing a specific enzyme from a plant that it has significant sensitivity from a geopolitical and supply chain perspective. There's been continued excellent progress from the team in this area and I look forward to updating our shareholder partners on further next steps in the near term as it relates to that project. What's important to understand when it comes to the CDMO and what we would obviously it's important for our for the analysts and shareholder partners out there to understand, there's two factors.

Speaker 1

One factor is the deal flow and the amount of deals coming through the pipeline. The second factor is our ability to move deals from Phase one to Phase two and Phase three. Importantly for everybody to be conscious of is that when we get through a Phase one deal, when we move a deal from Phase one to Phase two, we have the highest confidence that if we're successful in Phase one, that we're able to move the cells through to Phase two when we go from tissue culture to medium scale bioreactors and then to Phase three in large industrial scale bioreactors. We've never failed moving from a Phase one to a Phase two and a Phase three. So that's why Phase one is so critical.

Speaker 1

With that context, I'd like to share with you that, yes, prior to the Tate and Lyle deal, we were dealing with a, I would say, a hectic in a positive way pipeline of opportunities subsequent to the Tate and Lyle deal and obviously the important validations that that deal had in the industry, the nutrition industry all the way through to other major industries like nutraceuticals, cosmetics including pharmaceutical with the validation of a major giants of industry, industry leader like Tate and Lyle, it has for sure taken the ante from a pipeline deal flow for us as it relates to potential life changing compounds that we can work on to the next level. And obviously, we're working very hard to diligently go through each opportunity because it's really important that we prioritize the opportunities based on a number of key factors that we have as it relates to our, let's call it, internal stages and gates process that we utilize to make sure we're getting the best return on investment and return on effort as it relates to our specific resources that we have within R and D. I will like to say to the question as well that the pipeline right now and the deal flow is intense.

Speaker 1

There are a number of contracts that we're working on and we will be talking more about these future molecules in the near term. So it's going to really allow us to really bring to the market additional compounds that have the same potential and gravity of opportunity as the Tate and Lyle deal, which allows us to bring to the market the next generation of non nutritive sweetener out there, which is obviously the next generation out there optimizing taste as well as democratizing the compound, which is so important for the future of overall basic health and wellness. And we are working on compounds with a similar level of gravity and magnitude.

Speaker 3

That's great. That's a great update. Just switching back to the retail side, obviously with over 50,000 customers and strong recurring subscription rate, that brand, the VINIA brand is off to a great start. I think you mentioned, so I just wanted to verify when that's going to be available in coffee pods. And then I know there were other formats you were contemplating.

Speaker 3

I was wondering whether it's protein bars or electrolyte drinks, where is that development process?

Speaker 1

So there's great momentum behind our direct to consumer business. And the 50,000 number that we reference is a subscriber active subscription number. Obviously, that does not include all the non subscription customers that we have from our website as well as Amazon. As you can probably appreciate these days with Amazon Prime being so on time in full, if you want to say, you order it at ten at night, literally at ten in the morning, you have your product at the door. It's kind of like a subscription.

Speaker 1

But separately, our Amazon business has really exploded. Importantly, whilst it's exploded and literally grown 3.5 times, it still represents under 20% of our overall revenue mix, which is a healthy mix to have. And that's because our vinear.com, 90 percent of our revenue on vinear.com is subscription is continuing to grow at such an aggressive rate. So we have a very healthy channel management approach, which is also important as it relates to being able to manage the profitability and manage obviously, we want to have that direct access to the large majority of our customers is critical. So I just wanted to help people understand the 50,000 subscribers in the context of a much bigger picture.

Speaker 1

As it relates to the different products that comprise our direct to consumer wellness business with Vinea sales, our capsule business, which is our core business, is growing at north of 90%. And that's critical because that's the core business. And as I've learned from my eighteen years as a senior executive at The Coca Cola Company, it's always critical to have that core business being really, really healthy from a growth perspective. In addition, we've been able to successfully layer on very successfully new product innovation, which has been disruptive as it relates to really bringing new health and wellness credentials to multibillion dollar categories through our vineyard inside superior science, superior efficacy and superior taste strategy. And as many of the people out there understand, everything that leaves our door is consumer taste tested, quantitative consumer taste tested and products do not leave the door of biohazard sciences unless they are at least parody if not preferred to market leaders in quantitative taste, blind taste testing.

Speaker 1

This is critical for the success of our disruption of these major billion dollar verticals. So let's walk through and I'll help you understand what's coming in the short term and what we're working on a little bit more in the medium and long term. So in the short term, there's a lot of action, which is obviously why we start we understand that the that action will also drive the incremental growth, compounded growth as we move into second quarter and then again into third quarter and will help you also understand a little bit of your own modeling. On the coffee side, let's first start there. We've had a really successful launch of coffee.

Speaker 1

We've now sold 2,300,000 direct to consumers of coffee. That's just two SKUs, okay. We have one regular coffee and one decaf. These are city blends. So it's when you step back, you understand it's one blend working really, really hard.

Speaker 1

You have other companies that might have 10 SKUs delivering that kind of sales revenue. And this is obviously all direct to consumer. The $2,300,000 has focused initially on K Cup compatible, which is your $40,000,000 K Cup compatible machines that exist in The United States Of America. And now we're double downing on the coffee category by going into Nespresso compatible. So in the course of May, we will be launching the first ever VINIA Superfood Coffee in a Nespresso compatible pod.

Speaker 1

This is the first time you're getting functionality in the Nespresso compatible pod of the likes of a Superfood. And we believe it's going to be an additional disruptive because the Nespresso consumer is a higher level of income consumer. We believe our pricing structure will appeal even more so for this consumer with high levels of affordability. And we're very excited about this launch because it's going to be a real breakthrough in that particular segment of the market. Now let's talk about teas.

Speaker 1

We launched teas for SKUs. Vineyard Superfood Tea was launched in December. We have our English breakfast tea, green tea, regular green tea, a cranberry hibiscus tea and we have a variety pack or sampler pack. It's been three months and I can't tell you, Anthony, the feedback has been overwhelming from a taste perspective. Again, goes back to superior science, superior efficacy and superior taste.

Speaker 1

It's every single one of our coffee pods or tea sachets in this case has one equivalent of one capsule of vignette inside. We have organic tea. We have rainforest certified sourcing. So we have a unique sustainable sourcing, which is really important from a brand vision and a brand value perspective. And the feedback we're getting now after being in the market for just over ninety days on taste has really been nothing but amazing.

Speaker 1

I was just looking at a review about twenty minutes earlier before the call started, where again, just consistently across all flavors, great feedback. So again, we're not stopping there. We're now extending from TeaSachets into the K Cup compatible market. And in the next two weeks, we will be launching English breakfast tea and matcha green tea in a K Cup compatible version across our website and across Amazon. That all at this stage complete the play as it relates to the functional coffee and tea business.

Speaker 1

In addition, we decided to make a big bet on a segment we call Choose, C A C W, Choose. A number of athletes out there. We do a lot of work with NFL previously. And we've seen with athletes when they're on veneer and normally it's a higher dosage of veneer just because of their peak fitness that the increased arterial dilation, the more blood flow, increasing oxygenation is really able to help them deliver their best from an overall execution perspective on the sports field. And as a result, as we look to make the brand younger and targeting those elite athletes or wannabe weekend warrior athletes or just super active people that are working crazy hours that need that extra punch, we have the DAILI 2X Formula two.

Speaker 1

It's a great flavored shoe. It tastes amazing. And this will be coming to market sometime towards the May, early June. This basically gives us the test on top of our already existing core capsule business where we're going after multiple new channels, also broadening our scope from an international availability perspective for people coming in and buying off our U. S.

Speaker 1

Website being able to ship to key markets where from a regulatory perspective we're able to. So we're kind of opening up a lot of those access points so that we can continue to effectively scale the business at a similar rate to what we have done over the past few quarters. And as it relates to other disruptive innovation on two other categories we've talked about, I'll just give a quick update. The first one is in the area of hydration electrolyte enhanced beverages. We're shortly going to be starting a clinical trial with Tel Aviv University on a key population base that we feel is going to be most representative of the target audience we want to go after.

Speaker 1

We've decided to be very, very clinical around our approach. We're going up against some, let's call it, major titans, the Gatorades of the world, the Powerades of the world, and I know that world pretty well from our previous life all the way through to $1,000,000,000 brands like Liquid I. V. And we want to make sure when we come into the market that we're coming in with real hardcore outcomes from clinical trials related to an amazing product that we've developed. We've already had very, very good initial taste test results and other key brand related parameters.

Speaker 1

And importantly for this product and our tube product, it's going to be approved by Informed Sport. And Informed Sport, we've already gone through the approval process for our CHU. This is critical validation point. Informed sport means it's produced at the highest quality standard and it meets all the guidelines from an international athletic perspective as it relates to anti doping laws, which is critical given our targeting those athletes that are looking to really up their game from an overall impact on the sports field. So right now from a clinical trial perspective, we believe that the electrolyte enhanced hydration product will come out either towards the end of this year or early in the sometime in the first quarter of next year.

Speaker 1

We will pace ourselves based on the demand, the market supply and just the pace of our innovation rollouts. And then lastly, there's a major play that we're making in health and beauty with a system where we bring the systemic capsule and the power of the capsule and its ability to increase blood flow to the epidermis layer of the skin and all the benefits that come from the capsule, plus an amazing product we've already developed from a topical solution that similarly is going into research clinical trial in sometime towards the end of the second quarter. And that will be again a major bid for us for Q4 if we decide to bring it into Q1 next year. So what's great is we have a number of major plays and we're just balancing and landing all the planes based on ensuring that we have supply, the ability to execute and operationalize our strategy. And then of course, Anthony, you're well aware of the exciting news that we shared as it relates to our olive cell product.

Speaker 1

And that's again another piece of work that the team is doing in the next twelve months as it relates to driving the the regulatory process for that as well as additional clinical trials. Similarly, we don't bring products to market without clinical trials, which are really backing the structure function claims that we're making in the market. So hopefully that gives you and everybody listening on the call a good understanding of what's coming as it relates to the direct to consumer business.

Speaker 3

No, that was a great overview, Elon. Appreciate all the color on both the CDMO business and the direct to consumer business. So with that, I will hop back in the queue. Thanks so much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question

Operator

comes from Amit Dayal with H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. So, Elon, you have so many initiatives going on. How do you manage your working capital needs and growth needs with the balance sheet you have? Can you give us a little bit color on whether you are a little bit handicapped to execute as aggressively given what the balance sheet looks like right now?

Speaker 1

Thanks, Ahmed. Appreciate the question. Look, it's kind of interesting because what's beautiful about a direct to consumer business and when you have a super molecule or super compound like Vynia, what it allows us to do is really leverage the power of our partnerships out there to be able to really bring resources to the table. So when it comes to, for example, product development, we're working with best in class companies in the area of the coffee industry, in the area of the tea industry, beverage industry, all the R and D heavy lifting from an overall cost perspective is basically sitting with them. This is part of their value that they bring to the partnership.

Speaker 1

And because of the uniqueness of our technology, these companies are game to invest big time in the R and D that's required and there's hundreds, if not thousands of hours that are required in product samples. And this is a big part of their investment because they understand that the size of the prize can be significant. This is number one. Number two is, look, when you have a direct to consumer business, if you think about it, we built a $25,000,000 business pretty much on one SKU. Now what we're doing is we're basically bringing consumers a whole variety of options on how they do their veneer.

Speaker 1

You can do your veneer in a capsule. You can do your veneer in a coffee, in a tea. And ultimately for us, it doesn't mean that we're increasing our advertising spend disproportionately because ultimately I'm just bringing a portfolio of opportunities to the consumer to choose from, which ultimately what we're finding is bringing more people in the funnel when we are advertising out there, increasing our return on advertising spend. As people more people come into the funnel because I've got more options for people, two things are happening. One, we're seeing improvement in our conversion rates.

Speaker 1

Two, we're seeing improvements in our overall average order value, dollar value. And ultimately, this is helping us improve our overall cost of acquisition and critical lifetime value, which ultimately is going to provide further leverage to help us get to that adjusted EBITDA stone in the second half of this year. So this is the power we've created almost like the highway, the highway to consumers. And I'm not building new highways. I'm just putting a few big trucks on the highway.

Speaker 1

So I've got literally more opportunities to be able to bring consumers in and convert them into those critical subscribers, which are so important for us. So the pain points on the balance sheet is not a pain point that as a business we're experiencing. If anything, the efforts that we're doing allows us to scale quicker and as we said very transparently to the market, we said $11,000,000 to $12,000,000 a quarter at roughly 62% to 63% GP, we get to that adjusted breakeven or adjusted EBITDA positive position. And importantly, all of this innovation, we're increasing gross profit margins and absolute margins. And one thing that my dad always used to tell me is you don't necessarily bank percentages, you bank dollars, right?

Speaker 1

And so for us, it's all about keeping that core business strong, layering on the extra new products and then ultimately improving the metrics, improving the gross profit, improving the overall sales and marketing as a percentage of revenue. And we've seen already the sales and marketing as a percentage of revenue come down significantly. And that's a key metric that myself and the management team are very, very focused on. As we now look at bringing that down, we brought it down already from 61% to 47% in 2023 to 2024, and we'll bring that down to the low 30s as we mid-30s as we look towards 2020, '20 '20 '5 and beyond. And then importantly, we have significant operating leverage as a business.

Speaker 1

And you've seen this already in the P and L, which is what makes me exciting when I look at where we can really drive leverage through the line with revenue growth for the year at 99%. And then for example, our G and A was reduced by 1.8% despite NASDAQ heavy listing costs, okay. And in fourth quarter, we reduced it by 4%, and this is all 2024 versus 2023. And now G and A is sitting at 17% of revenue versus 35% of revenue in 2023. And this allows us to really drive a long range model of EBITDA profitability for our products business at 20%.

Speaker 1

And then for the CDMO, it's going to be even better than that. So going back to your question, it's not balance sheet pressure. It actually allows us to depressurize the balance sheet if you want to call it because I'm bringing scale quickly into the business and improving the critical metrics that drives GP, that drives further leverage down to the P and L as you increase revenue.

Speaker 4

I appreciate that color. That was helpful. Thank you, Alain. Then just last one from me. Revenue cadence for 2025, can we expect sequential growth given new products are coming to the market?

Speaker 4

And then adjacent to that, operating costs, should we anticipate steady operating costs? I mean, it looks like from your comments, you're not expecting too much of a ramp on that side. So any commentary on how we should think about revenue cadence for the year? Is there is any seasonality, etcetera, that we should be aware of? And then how to model for operating costs for the remainder of the year?

Speaker 1

Yes. So look, past performance always predicts future performance. So you understand a little bit of how we've operated in the past. So obviously, we've given clear guidance in the announcement that came out about an hour ago on guidance for the first quarter of no less than $7,800,000 for the first quarter. And then obviously, you've just heard me go through second quarter a number of big bets that we're going into the marketplace as we move into the second quarter, which obviously will continue to compound moving into the third and fourth quarter.

Speaker 1

So you see that every single quarter because our business is a subscription business, We have that beautiful compounding effects because our churn rates are best in class in the industry as a result of the efficacy of a super compound like Vineyard. So because of that effect, you start to see that those people you recruited in Q1, you see the compounded effect in Q2 with low churn rates and then similarly the people you bought in Q2 and it compounds. So you can start to see how it builds. The build is probably a little bit more aggressive than what we've had before because there's a lot more innovation that's coming into the marketplace, specifically in the second quarter, which will allow us to really get the compounded effect in the third quarter and fourth quarter. And then the CDMO similarly importantly and similarly, the CDMO deals, specifically the magnitude of the life changing compounds that we're working on, these are big deals and they take time negotiating and getting through with the legal channels and kind of, as I like to say, landing the plane beautifully with all wheels on the ground, not on the belly, but all wheels on the ground.

Speaker 1

And we'll start there is a lot that's in the funnel right now as I was suggesting to Anthony a little bit earlier. And we'll see some of that continue to roll out and the pace of that increase as you go into second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter.

Speaker 4

Understood. Maybe last one on I'm just checking my notes here. On the CDMO side, right, is there any tariff related issue or even on the D2C side, the direct to consumer side, any tariff related impact?

Speaker 1

I'm really glad that you asked that question. So thank you, Ahmed, for doing that. Look, it's kind of interesting like all pretty much most of my professional career, I've been dealing with headwinds and in some cases really, really strong headwinds. As a company today, we're in a really fortunate and privileged position that we're just dealing with tailwinds, which is amazing, especially after you've had headwinds. They have that tailwind blowing in your back is amazing.

Speaker 1

And those tailwinds are really driven by notions like the whole Make America a Healthy Again movement and the focus on the next generation of non nutritive natural sweeteners all the way through to basically in the context of what you've just asked now on the tariff side, we're in a winning situation in a few areas. Firstly, we are a product of Israel. And right now, and I'm cautiously optimistic that we're not going to be playing given the unique relationship between Israel and The United States Of America, I believe that will be very favorable for us. This is number one. Number two, what we have seen is a couple of things.

Speaker 1

Firstly, in a direct to consumer world, all of our competition, they're going to be hit by tariffs, okay? And this gives me an opportunity to score a really important point for all of you out there is that an important factoid out there. Since we launched Vynia in May 2021, we have not taken a price increase on Vynia. Dollars ninety nine for three months was the starting price point of May I think it was 05/14/2021. And today, it's the same price.

Speaker 1

And that was a conscious strategic decision as we look to deliver on our North Star, which is all around democratizing our life changing compounds, making sure it's affordable to the consumer. And just to give you a reference point, if you look at food inflation since May 2021, according to the Labor Bureau of Statistics, it's increased by 19%. So whilst we are premium, we haven't upped the game from a pricing perspective. We see in the nutraceutical world, our competitors who have no choice because they're buying all of most of them are buying their ingredients from China and therefore are going to be hit by the impact of tariffs and are going to take significant price increases, which means our premium will actually be less of a premium and we think from an elasticity perspective that will be a significant tailwind for us. In addition, now jumping to the CDMO business, we started to see breaking points, breaking points of companies whereby they have just generally challenges from a supply chain perspective for geopolitical reasons, Challenges from a supply chain perspective because they're dealing with plant based compounds, so therefore they have major challenges around consistency just given you're operating in an ecosystem, climate change, etcetera.

Speaker 1

And now you have the impact of tariffs. So all of a sudden it's like, look, now it's time to turn to biotech, it's time to control our destiny, it's time to have consistency, the unique economic viability to be able to control pricing because they own the compound. And you could have unique IP around the composition given once you go through our end to end cycle, the actual customer, our partner owns the composition rights. Obviously, we have all the rights from a production as it relates to the royalty based manufacturing model, but ultimately they own that unique composition. So it's we're seeing it as an additional tipping point for customers to come important customers to basically cross the line and to move into biotech.

Speaker 1

And this is the future. Ultimately, this is the future, but the tariff is just accelerating the move towards the future. And lastly, because of the demand that we've started to see in our CDMO pipeline, we've also increased our pricing on the CDMO side from an R and D perspective. So in the past, we were like between $1,800,000 to $2,000,000 up to about $2,500,000 Those prices have gone up significantly when we look at Phase I, Phase II and Phase III. And that's we believe that we have now the ability from a supply demand elasticity perspective to be able to make sure that we're earning more margin upfront because we do make money in Phase one, we make more money in Phase two, we make even more money in Phase three.

Speaker 1

And now we're obviously looking at ensuring that we optimize these opportunities. And again, the tariffs discussion helps us. We didn't necessarily need it, but hey, we'll take that tailwind and enjoy the benefits of it.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Elon. Good to see all the progress. I'll follow-up with you offline with my other questions. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Amit. Appreciate it.

Operator

Our next question comes from Hunter Diamond with Diamond Equity Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, everyone. Firstly, congratulations on the strong results. So a lot of my questions have been answered, but I wanted to get additional details on the OliCell compound, the preclinical data, maybe the process that you see to potentially commercializing it and how it can leverage the existing subscriber base and distribution that you already have?

Speaker 1

Thank you, Hunter. I'm just writing it's like three questions in one. So I want to make sure I cover each one. Okay. Just give me a sec.

Speaker 1

Okay. Subscriber base, path to market. Okay. So high level nonalcoholic fatty liver disease affects literally one in four American adults. This is today one hundred million people in America dealing with NAFLD.

Speaker 1

Major, major challenge. And right now from an overall, let's call it FDA approved therapeutic solution, there is very little on the table right now. We have really zoned in on a critical molecule called verboscocide. Verboscocide is one of the most potent anti inflammatory polyphenols in the olives. I will tell you unequivocally that we produce in our bioreactors and by the way, just I'll just stop at this point to mention that from a bioreactor size perspective, where we have in the last eighteen months just sort of doubled the size of our bioreactors.

Speaker 1

That's the scaling effect that we're getting in our business. And it comes back to the question that Amit asked me around the path to profitability and really driving scale and GP into the business. Coming back now to olives, we today produce the highest levels in the world of boscaside. The initial piece of research that we did was taking liver cells, human liver cells and assessing the ability of this particular compound to reduce the levels of fat. And we saw very, very encouraging results.

Speaker 1

We are now focused on really two things. Firstly, it's moving through regulation, and we should be finished the regulatory process by, I would say, the end of third quarter of this year. And right now, we're having intense discussions on what are the next stage of clinical trials. We're likely to skip animal trials with Vynia. We did basically we did in vitro, then we did animal and then we moved to clinical.

Speaker 1

Given the really encouraging results, we'll probably go direct to clinical trials. We're busy now just working through, as you know, doing clinical trials. It's not a simple process, very robust complex process, a lot of research, a lot of thinking with the right people around the table, which we do have in our company and a lot of capability in this area. And we are busy now basically charting the path over the next twelve months of what clinical trials we want to do. It's important for me to say that our olive cell product from a manufacturing perspective is ready.

Speaker 1

We produced it already in large scale bioreactors and that's the really, really tough part. Now it's about finalizing the regulatory path and process, which we're deep in. And then moving forward on the clinical path, we have a unique trademark that we have for the product, which is called Olyvarena. Okay. A one on one of marketing that I learned is that in the name, you need to talk about the benefit.

Speaker 1

So if you think about it, Olyvarena, you've got olive in it and you've got liver in it. And obviously from a graphics perspective, we'll do the appropriate treatment so the consumer will look and understand these are olive this is literally olive compound to improve my liver health, right? This is how you optimize your marketing mix. So all the pieces of the puzzle are coming together and we're super, super excited on the prospects of what this super compound can deliver. And importantly, as it relates to what once we bring this to market, what will be the scale up?

Speaker 1

I said to the team about two months ago and it was a bit of a moment where the penny dropped. And we clearly understood that the build up of our olive sale product will look very different to the Vineyard build over the last four years. Because if you look at say this time next year or let's say, next year, basically, by the end of the first half of twenty twenty six, our subscription base will be a lot bigger than the 50,000 plus subscribers that will move up significantly. And let's say we're sitting on 75,000, 80 thousand, 90 thousand subscribers, the olive sale product will be relevant for every one of those subscribers. The complementary nature of the two are amazing.

Speaker 1

So the scale up curve is going to be much faster. And that's why, Hunter, we're moving like crazy to build our next manufacturing facility, which is going to be 4x the size of the existing facility. And it's going to be critical for us to make sure that we have the supply side sorted out to meet what we believe will be stellar consumer demand for both VINIA. And as I said, VINIA, we're just tipping our toes into the ocean. And then obviously the power of the olive cell in addition and the combination of the two together.

Speaker 3

No, it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 5

And you hit on all the points of the question. So in terms of, I guess, the reactors, are they all in Israel right now? Or are there some moving to The U. S. Or other areas?

Speaker 1

So currently, all of our manufacturing is in Israel. We are, as I said a moment earlier, we have one facility, which is a 20. We've now pushed it because we've increased our bioreactors literally three times this past, let's call it fifteen months, literally doubling the size of the bioreactors. Again, it's like it's important for the audience out there to understand that there are no companies out there producing plant cells at the scale that we're producing as it relates to the size of bioreactors and as it relates to the number of bioreactors that we manage every single day in our manufacturing facility. And that's why in April, we started a major, major project, probably one of the most critical projects for the company, where we digitized all the biological metrics for every single bioreactor, putting a full ERP system into the facility and have digitized and built a digital blueprint for manufacturing in our facility, which allows us to handle to optimize key facets of manufacturing, including potency and yield, which are the two critical elements and to optimize that at a unique scale that the industry has not seen before.

Speaker 1

So we've kind of gone to what we call Botanical Synthesis Manufacturing two point zero and we're going to up it again with our new facility where we're going to be building the 100 tonne facility. We're in that facility today where we have 12 state of the art clean rooms for all of our CDMO deals. And we're now doing all the final conceptual design work to start the detailed engineering work to be able to start to grow plant cells this time next year with a facility that's 100 tons. I mean, the roadmap and this is something that we're going to share with the community, with the investor community in the next few months, we will be sharing with you what we call our BioHarvest Sciences Master Plan and the three specific phases of our master plan. And as we work now this year to finish Phase one, Phase two will require us to have manufacturing capability in The U.

Speaker 1

S. Of A. And as many of you know, we have started to do have a lot of dialogues with key constituents and stakeholders in The U. S. And that will be something that will start to put basically bioreactors on the ground sometime in twenty twenty eight, twenty twenty nine, specifically as we start to scale the CDMO super molecule, super compounds that we're going to be building with partners.

Speaker 1

So that's kind of like how we're thinking as it relates to bioreactor capacity. And importantly, when we move into our next facility, I should say, when we start producing in our next facility this time next year, I will guarantee you, Hunter, we will not be producing in existing five bioreactors. It will be at least 50% to 100% increase again. And that's the plan, that's the process engineering work that my COO, Ilana, is doing right now with her team, with an incredibly talented team of process engineers that we built to make sure that the transition to the new facility is a game changer again from an operational leverage perspective.

Speaker 3

Yes, it makes perfect sense

Speaker 5

and I can tell your enthusiasm from the call. So again, thank you for taking my questions and congratulations on the strong results.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Susan Anderson with Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my question. I guess maybe a lot of my questions have been answered as well, but just to follow-up on the coffee and tea product. I'm curious, if you said how many of the 50,000 subscribers are also buying the ancillary products? And I guess, did any of that those products add to the growth?

Speaker 6

And I guess just what's the opportunity to kind of increase the basket size of those subscribers longer term? And then I was kind of curious too, what's the gross margin difference on those products versus the supplement? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Okay. Firstly, Susan, great to have you on the call and thank you for joining us. So a couple of points. Firstly, we have only right now focused on trade up at checkout, trying to get existing, say, capsule users to trade up and also purchase a coffee or a tea. We just have to we've configured our whole back end and we're now being more aggressive in this area.

Speaker 1

In the past, if I say last like three, four months, we're starting to see a number of households that are purchasing both, so people have the variety. For us, it's a secondary priority. Okay? It's important. It's very important for me to say this.

Speaker 1

It's a secondary priority. The first priority is bringing in tea drink tea drinkers or coffee drinkers, and I encourage you to go online and read our reviews. Okay? Because it all comes down to like the source of volume or the source of revenue. And for us, what we started to see is that the source of revenue, for example, is disgruntled coffee drinkers that whether it's regular or decaf that are looking for a better quality of coffee and are looking for more health and wellness credentials, which is backed by science, which is backed by efficacy.

Speaker 1

And so we're a lot of our coffee drinkers where I would say 80% of it is being sourced by new drinkers, new and I would say new customers coming in. And I would say the other 20% is trade up, partly because it hasn't been a focus up until now. Now that I've got coffee and tea, we've grouped them together and we start to get a little bit more economies of scale in the trade up. And similarly on tea, we're starting to see a very, very similar pattern where people are coming in because they're a little bit disgruntled. They're looking for better for you health and wellness options.

Speaker 1

They're willing to pay a premium. And all of a sudden, they find a very unique proposition as it relates to the size, the efficacy and the taste, and we're bringing them in as new subscribers. We are seeing increases in the basket size as we get more aggressive in trading up at checkout. And I think we'll continue to see that in the future. But my primary driver is to really bring in new subscribers from other categories.

Speaker 1

On the margin side, the actual percentage margin and the dollar margin for both coffee and for tea and for our two products are a number of margin points better than they are for capsules. But importantly, you have the dollar, the dollar margin. If you think about it, just to give you some perspective, we sell and if you look at it, we sell literally you're at on Amazon, you're $66 for a 30 pack of coffee. And we sell a lot of coffee on Amazon. On my website, on subscription, it's 59.99.

Speaker 1

Okay? It's like roughly $2 On Amazon, you get 10% off, so you get back to the $60 It's $2 a cup of coffee. Now you're getting amazing coffee in the case of our decaf. Our decaf has a very high proportion of the mix. Why?

Speaker 1

Because we use a very unique decaf. And as many of you probably know, the average decaf in America, they're using chemicals, they're using solvents to decaffeinate, to take out the caffeine. That's not something we do because we don't have any solvents in our product. So we work with Swiss Water Coffee that uses a unique water driven decaffeination process and there's no chemicals used. And so we have an amazing decaf base, coffee base.

Speaker 1

And then importantly, decaf drinkers, why are they coming to decaf? Because they don't want the jitters and the crash from the caffeine, but they want energy. They want the physical energy and the mental alertness that you get through the arterial dilation and increased blood flow. And now they're getting it from veneer together with an amazing decaf source of coffee. So we're starting to see our ability to justify that premium is there.

Speaker 1

And we're seeing we sold $2,300,000 of coffee, right, at most premium price point. And if you look in the marketplace, the average take up product in the market today is anywhere between $0.2 to $0.45 Okay. So we're 4x to 5x premium, but there's segments in the American population that are looking for those better for you health or wellness credentials that we're able to appeal to and we will continue to scale that business. Now it's important to understand that's all direct to consumer, right? So it's a lot of pods that we're selling every single day.

Speaker 1

And then similarly, as I said, the start for tea has been amazing. We've again, premium products, organic tea, rainforest certified and really proud to be part of their organization. And it's important from a sustainable sourcing perspective. And the taste, again, we beat major market leaders in English breakfast tea and in our green tea propositions. And we're starting to see that in the feedback and the repeat purchase rates are very, very high, I.

Speaker 1

E. The churn rates are very, very low. So again, superior the strategy of VINIAM5, superior size, superior efficacy, superior taste, allows us to premiumize, allows us to really, at the end of the day, put more dollars in the bank and drive that gross profit improvement that when you look at 55% was the gross profit for the full year. On our product business, we had gross profit around 57%, fifty eight %. And we're pushing really, really hard.

Speaker 1

I'll be jumping for joy when you get it over 60% and we'll start to get to see a lot of path for 65%. And that's how we're going to continue to basically build out the footprint of the business by bringing increased new products very surgically going after multi billion dollar categories with disruptive innovation at higher absolute and percentage margins.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thanks so much for all the details. I'm definitely going to check it out.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back to Mr. Elon Sobel for his closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and thank you to everybody for joining us this evening and for staying with me for the last literally over an hour. Really appreciate it. I just want to end with a few concluding remarks to say how excited I am to really be in this chair with an amazing team around me, driving this business at a critical time from a history perspective, really driving cut through biotech innovation. The capability building that has transpired not just over the last fifteen plus years, but specifically in the last twenty four months really has given us a unique breadth of ecosystem that no other player in our space has from the scaling of manufacturing of a biological facility fully digitized all the way through to how we use AI. We haven't spoken about it a lot today, but using predictive AI today, moving to generative AI in the future.

Speaker 1

We're doing this in our CDMO business and R and D side. We're doing this with our customer success team with Jackie and her team of four operators manages 50,000 subscribers plus another probably 10,000 to 15,000 other customers all the way through to building an e commerce machine, amazing marketing and product development capabilities with the marketing organization and the direct to consumer business led by Jared, AJ, John, Yves and Yael, literally five really skilled marketeers driving $25,000,000 of revenue. It's unique. And that's why when you look at basically our overall operational leverage, it's significant all the way through to the capabilities we have in executing clinical trials, multiple trials at the same time. So when you look at the breadth of the ecosystem we have and the capabilities that we continue to build, all focused on that North Star of the company, which ultimately is to discover, develop, manufacture and democratize five to 10 life changing compounds that positively affects the lives of hundreds of millions of people, but doing it in a way that preserves the planet for generations to come.

Speaker 1

We, as a company and an ecosystem of our investor partners, we sit in a very, very unique place today to really create something special that has the propensity to create significant human utility value that ultimately will translate in shareholder value and in that order. And right now, we've put in place critical building blocks to have another successful year. We doubled the business every single year for the last three years. And this year, there's no reason to have similar types of growth rates as we look to continue quarter on quarter to improve the operational performance of the business and land the business to that adjusted EBITDA profitability level in the second half. And we very much look forward to the journey with you all and appreciate all the support.

Speaker 1

And thank you all and have a good evening.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.

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