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Earnings HistoryForecast Stellus Capital Investment EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.37Consensus EPS $0.41Beat/MissMissed by -$0.04One Year Ago EPSN/AStellus Capital Investment Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$25.62 millionExpected Revenue$26.60 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$982.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AStellus Capital Investment Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date3/4/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, March 5, 2025Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsStellus Capital Investment's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 8, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, May 9, 2025 at 12:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Stellus Capital Investment Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 5, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Stellus Capital Investment Corporation's Conference Call to Report Financial Results for its Fourth Fiscal Quarter Ended 12/31/2024. At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode and a question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. This conference is being recorded today, 03/05/2025. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Operator00:00:41Robert Ladd, Chief Executive Officer of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation. Mr. Ladd, you may begin your conference. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:00:49Yes. Thank you, Ali, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining the call. Welcome to our conference call covering the quarter and the year ended 12/31/2024. Joining me as usual this morning is Todd Huskinson, our Chief Financial Officer, who will cover important information about forward looking statements and then start off our discussion. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:01:10Thank you, Rob. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. Please note that this call is the property of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. Audio replay of the call will be available by using the telephone number and pen provided in our press release announcing this call. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward looking information. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:01:36Today's conference call may also include forward looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to our most recent filing with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. We will not update any forward looking statements unless required by law. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website at www.stelliscapital.com under the Public Investors link or call us at (713) 292-5400. Now I'll cover our operating results for the quarter, but we'd like to start off with our life date activity. Since our IPO in November 2012, we've invested approximately $2,600,000,000 in over 200 companies and received approximately $1,600,000,000 of repayments, while maintaining stable asset quality. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:02:26We've paid over $288,000,000 of dividends to our investors, which represents 16.69 per share to an investor in our IPO in November 2012, which was offered at $15 per share. Turning to our current operating results. In the fourth quarter, we generated $0.35 per share of GAAP net investment income and core net investment income of $0.37 per share, which excludes estimated excise taxes. Net asset value per share decreased $0.09 during the quarter due to net unrealized depreciation on our investment portfolio and reduction of spillover income, offset by net realized gains on our investment portfolio, primarily related to one equity investment. Our ATM program was active during the quarter and we issued 441,754 shares for $6,100,000 in shares at an average gross price of $13.86 per share. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:03:22All issuances were above net asset value. Regarding portfolio and asset quality, we ended the quarter with an investment portfolio at fair value of $953,500,000 across 105 portfolio companies, up from 908,700,000 across 99 companies as of 09/30/2024. During the fourth quarter, we invested $76,500,000 in nine new portfolio companies and had $33,000,000 in other investment activity, all at par. We also received three full repayments totaling $46,900,000 and received $15,600,000 of other repayments, both at par. We also received one full equity realization and one material partial realization that generated proceeds of $6,500,000 and realized gains of $5,500,000 At December 31, '90 '8 percent of our loans were secured and 95% were priced at floating rates. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:04:22The average loan per company is $9,500,000 and the largest overall investment is $21,200,000 both at fair value. All but one of our portfolio companies are backed by a private equity firm. Overall, our asset quality is on plan. At fair value, 24% of our portfolio is rated a one or ahead of plan and 21% of the portfolio is marked at investment category of three or below plan, meaning not meeting plan or expectations. Currently, we have loans to seven portfolio companies on non accrual, which comprise 5.4% of the fair value of the total loan portfolio. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:04:57And with that, I'll turn it back over to Rob to discuss the overall outlook. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:05:01Okay, very good. Thank you, Todd. So as we look ahead to the first quarter of twenty twenty five, I'll cover portfolio growth, equity realizations and dividends. The active fourth quarter has continued into the first quarter of twenty twenty five. As of last Friday, we have funded an additional $47,000,000 bringing our portfolio to $1,000,000,000 for the first time in our firm's history. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:05:27We expect that level to maintain and probably finish the quarter at the $1,000,000,000 number. As Todd noted earlier, we had realized equity gains in the fourth quarter of '5 point '5 million dollars We expect we'll see more equity gains in 2025 with approximately $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 by June 30. And as a reminder, our equity co invest business, we have equity co investments across 92 companies with a cost basis of $59,000,000 We believe over time that we should see meaningful uplift from here. Our historical results would indicate realizations in excess of two times our cost. And finally regarding dividends, we declared the dividend for the fourth quarter I'm sorry, for the first quarter of twenty twenty five at a rate of $0.4 per share, again payable monthly. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:06:27We do expect that level of dividend, again $0.4 per share payable monthly to continue into the second quarter and based on spillover or previous year's earnings that have not been distributed, we would expect this level to continue throughout the year. Of course, all of this subject to Board approval. And with that, we'll open up for questions. Ali, please begin the Q and A session, please. Operator00:07:06Thank Thank you. Our first question is coming from Sean Paul Adams with Raymond James. Your line is live. Sean-Paul AdamsSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:07:33Hey guys. Good morning. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:07:34Good morning. Sean-Paul AdamsSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:07:36Good morning. So when it comes to discussions about potential tariff impacts to companies within the portfolio, and also discussions about potential changes in credit quality, What are your thoughts on leverage going into 2025 and 2026 and just the potential concerns about the magnification of that potential credit risk? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:08:03Yes. Good morning. Good question. So as you know, we're operating at a lower leverage level than we've normally operated. Our target regulatory leverage is one to one and GAAP would be two to one, but we're certainly at a lower level than that now. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:08:22So I'd say, I think we continue to shoot for that target leverage. We're certainly cautious about the uncertainty that's being created by the executive branch of the government. But I think that at this point, we'd like to, so to speak, wait and see the impact of what's happening. But we're certainly cautious about what that could mean. We certainly have most substantially all of our businesses are based in The United States, but some would touch government activity, some would have activities cross border. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:08:58So we're certainly cognizant of that. But I think we're in a wait and see attitude and but cautious as you say. Sean-Paul AdamsSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:09:05Perfect answer. Thank you. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:09:07Thank you. Operator00:09:12Thank you. Our next question is coming from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:09:20Hey guys. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:09:20Good morning, Chris. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:09:23Rob, could you give us a little thoughts in terms of given all the outlook information you gave, which is always appreciated, do you think the first quarter EPS will cover the dividend? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:09:37We don't have it quite, but probably not fully covered. We'll see what the balance of the quarter looks like, but probably not, but be close. And again, I think part of this is we look at the dividend and we look at earnings. One, we have substantial earnings from the past that have not been paid out. So that's helpful in effectively covering. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:10:00And then we look at it over time. And as I mentioned, we likely to start seeing some equity realizations kick in that will be helpful. But I think as a technical matter, Todd, we probably won't quite cover in the first quarter. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:10:13Yes, that's right, Chris. We think we'll be off by a few cents and that general trend will may kind of continue throughout the year just given kind of the rate environment and the spread environment. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:10:26Got you. And then on the topic of spreads, what was the driver for the decrease in investment yields in the first quarter? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:10:38So in terms of spreads, so maybe as a macro thought, So as we started 2024, we were seeing spreads in sixes and as we end the year seeing spreads in fivees. So you probably that's one factor. Two, silver did decline quarter over quarter and then probably some impact again for some additional non accruals, Chris. But the good news is it's in excess of 10% currently. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:11:11And on the topic of leverage, your leverage is just so low. I mean, what's the thought here in terms of your leverage is artificial seems to be artificially low. The EPS outlook doesn't quite cover the dividend and you're in a tightening spread environment. Why don't you just increase leverage Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:11:30a little bit? Yes. So that good counterbalance to the first question. So, yes, as I say, we're targeting a one to one being cautious about it. And so we you may see that come happen over time this year and there's some different ways to achieve that leverage, but more to come. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:11:51Got you. Final question. I know you paid off part of an SBA maturity in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Are you guys going to re up for more SBA lending capacity? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:12:07Yes, we are. We're moving forward with the third license. And thanks for noting that, that after ten years, our first license debentures are starting to come due. And so we did prepay the first debenture payment in mid February of roughly $16,000,000 But we we're in the process of obtaining hopefully a third license and we'll continue that program along the way. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:12:32Great. Thank you very much. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:12:34Yes. Thank you, Chris. Operator00:12:38Thank you. Our next question is coming from Eric Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is live. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:12:46Good morning, Eric. Thank you. Good morning. Yes, good morning. I wanted to start first on the pipeline. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:12:52You obviously had some nice new origination activity in the fourth quarter and it seems like you're off to a good start here in the first quarter as well. So maybe just quantitatively, can you maybe kind of update us on kind of where the pipeline stands today relative to ninety days ago? And additionally, kind of what that mix looks like between new versus add on opportunities? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:13:15Yes. So I'd say that again, very busy fourth quarter and really the last month or two of the fourth quarter and then really through the first two months, this quarter we're on a pace that would be exceptional. So I think we see a little bit of slowness, but continued activity, our platform is a $3 plus billion platform overall. And so our investment teams are seeing a number of deals every week. So I think good pipeline, good deal flow, probably not expecting the same level every month that we had in the first two. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:13:53But then I'd also say so following question about new investments versus follow on. So the follow ons are very helpful. They come in two ways. One would just literally be a new follow on to the same company. And then alternatively or in addition to that, we'll have delayed draw term loans where someone is tapping an existing commitment that's been made. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:14:17And this is helpful in that it's already in place and everything's been negotiated. So it comes in both ways. But I'd say the quantum of that is probably two thirds are new transactions and roughly a third would be follow ons or draws under DDTLs. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:14:37Great. Thanks. Appreciate the color there. And just a reminder, in terms of most of the delayed draw term loans you have, did the companies need to meet some sort of financial hurdles to be able to draw on that or are they at the discretion of the company? Just remind me how those are typically structured? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:14:56Right. They're typically structured that they're a true commitment, but they are subject to certain tests. So one, it would be in compliance with all the covenants. And they typically would have an addition to that, what's known as an incurrence test. And so the leverage quotient at the time they draw would have to be similar to the time when the loan first closed. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:15:18So keeping the leverage at where we started out. And then in addition to that, you could have what needs to be used for a certain purpose and typically it's for an acquisition or some expansion. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:15:33Yes, that makes sense. Okay. And then transitioning to the spillover, I think you mentioned it in the prepared remarks with regard to the dividend and having some ability to support the dividend in the near term. With that, can you remind us of where the dollar level of the spillover is this quarter or at the end of the fourth quarter? Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:15:56Yes. We had, Eric, we had $45,000,000 of spillover at the end of the year. So that's kind of what we're working against during 2025. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:16:04Got you. Perfect. Thank you. That's all for me today. I appreciate it. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:16:09Thank you, Eric. Operator00:16:12Thank you. Our next question is coming from Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is live. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:16:19Good morning, Paul. Paul JohnsonVice President at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:16:21Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just a little bit more on the just kind of tariff risk in general, higher level. But have you guys run any sort of analysis or assess the portfolio in any way in terms of just kind of how much of the portfolio might be at risk of any of the tariff issues ongoing as well as just exposure to maybe kind of government services or any sort of anecdotal data points you'd be able to provide? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:16:55Sure, Paul. So we've certainly analyzed it or been looking at it. It would appear that the impact from tariffs would be more than the impact from the government kind of exposure, probably like a two to one there. Our rough estimate is that it's probably could be up to 10%. I mean, it depends how you grade them and what actually happens. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:17:20But at this point, would not appear to be material in terms of the overall activity. But we're as I said at the outset, we're going to wait and see what really comes through from what's said at the government level, what actually ends up happening. Paul JohnsonVice President at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:17:38Got it. Appreciate that. And then last one, on the realized gains this quarter, was there any additional markup at all from those investments that were exited in the fourth quarter? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:17:51Yes. And tell me the other one, but it was a few million dollars. We have one equity position that is continuing to grow and in addition to the partial realization, its value was increased as well. Paul JohnsonVice President at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:18:07Got it. Great. Thank you very much. That's all for me. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:18:10Okay. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:18:14Thank you. As we have no further questions on the line, I will now hand the call back over to Mr. Ladd for any closing comments. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:18:23Okay, great. Thank you. And again, thank you everyone for your support of our company. We look forward to getting back with you in early May as we discuss the first quarter. Operator00:18:37Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Stellus Capital Investment Corporation's Conference Call to Report Financial Results for its Fourth Fiscal Quarter Ended 12/31/2024. At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode and a question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. This conference is being recorded today, 03/05/2025. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Operator00:00:41Robert Ladd, Chief Executive Officer of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation. Mr. Ladd, you may begin your conference. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:00:49Yes. Thank you, Ali, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining the call. Welcome to our conference call covering the quarter and the year ended 12/31/2024. Joining me as usual this morning is Todd Huskinson, our Chief Financial Officer, who will cover important information about forward looking statements and then start off our discussion. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:01:10Thank you, Rob. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. Please note that this call is the property of Stellus Capital Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. Audio replay of the call will be available by using the telephone number and pen provided in our press release announcing this call. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward looking information. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:01:36Today's conference call may also include forward looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to our most recent filing with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. We will not update any forward looking statements unless required by law. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website at www.stelliscapital.com under the Public Investors link or call us at (713) 292-5400. Now I'll cover our operating results for the quarter, but we'd like to start off with our life date activity. Since our IPO in November 2012, we've invested approximately $2,600,000,000 in over 200 companies and received approximately $1,600,000,000 of repayments, while maintaining stable asset quality. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:02:26We've paid over $288,000,000 of dividends to our investors, which represents 16.69 per share to an investor in our IPO in November 2012, which was offered at $15 per share. Turning to our current operating results. In the fourth quarter, we generated $0.35 per share of GAAP net investment income and core net investment income of $0.37 per share, which excludes estimated excise taxes. Net asset value per share decreased $0.09 during the quarter due to net unrealized depreciation on our investment portfolio and reduction of spillover income, offset by net realized gains on our investment portfolio, primarily related to one equity investment. Our ATM program was active during the quarter and we issued 441,754 shares for $6,100,000 in shares at an average gross price of $13.86 per share. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:03:22All issuances were above net asset value. Regarding portfolio and asset quality, we ended the quarter with an investment portfolio at fair value of $953,500,000 across 105 portfolio companies, up from 908,700,000 across 99 companies as of 09/30/2024. During the fourth quarter, we invested $76,500,000 in nine new portfolio companies and had $33,000,000 in other investment activity, all at par. We also received three full repayments totaling $46,900,000 and received $15,600,000 of other repayments, both at par. We also received one full equity realization and one material partial realization that generated proceeds of $6,500,000 and realized gains of $5,500,000 At December 31, '90 '8 percent of our loans were secured and 95% were priced at floating rates. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:04:22The average loan per company is $9,500,000 and the largest overall investment is $21,200,000 both at fair value. All but one of our portfolio companies are backed by a private equity firm. Overall, our asset quality is on plan. At fair value, 24% of our portfolio is rated a one or ahead of plan and 21% of the portfolio is marked at investment category of three or below plan, meaning not meeting plan or expectations. Currently, we have loans to seven portfolio companies on non accrual, which comprise 5.4% of the fair value of the total loan portfolio. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:04:57And with that, I'll turn it back over to Rob to discuss the overall outlook. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:05:01Okay, very good. Thank you, Todd. So as we look ahead to the first quarter of twenty twenty five, I'll cover portfolio growth, equity realizations and dividends. The active fourth quarter has continued into the first quarter of twenty twenty five. As of last Friday, we have funded an additional $47,000,000 bringing our portfolio to $1,000,000,000 for the first time in our firm's history. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:05:27We expect that level to maintain and probably finish the quarter at the $1,000,000,000 number. As Todd noted earlier, we had realized equity gains in the fourth quarter of '5 point '5 million dollars We expect we'll see more equity gains in 2025 with approximately $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 by June 30. And as a reminder, our equity co invest business, we have equity co investments across 92 companies with a cost basis of $59,000,000 We believe over time that we should see meaningful uplift from here. Our historical results would indicate realizations in excess of two times our cost. And finally regarding dividends, we declared the dividend for the fourth quarter I'm sorry, for the first quarter of twenty twenty five at a rate of $0.4 per share, again payable monthly. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:06:27We do expect that level of dividend, again $0.4 per share payable monthly to continue into the second quarter and based on spillover or previous year's earnings that have not been distributed, we would expect this level to continue throughout the year. Of course, all of this subject to Board approval. And with that, we'll open up for questions. Ali, please begin the Q and A session, please. Operator00:07:06Thank Thank you. Our first question is coming from Sean Paul Adams with Raymond James. Your line is live. Sean-Paul AdamsSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:07:33Hey guys. Good morning. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:07:34Good morning. Sean-Paul AdamsSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:07:36Good morning. So when it comes to discussions about potential tariff impacts to companies within the portfolio, and also discussions about potential changes in credit quality, What are your thoughts on leverage going into 2025 and 2026 and just the potential concerns about the magnification of that potential credit risk? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:08:03Yes. Good morning. Good question. So as you know, we're operating at a lower leverage level than we've normally operated. Our target regulatory leverage is one to one and GAAP would be two to one, but we're certainly at a lower level than that now. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:08:22So I'd say, I think we continue to shoot for that target leverage. We're certainly cautious about the uncertainty that's being created by the executive branch of the government. But I think that at this point, we'd like to, so to speak, wait and see the impact of what's happening. But we're certainly cautious about what that could mean. We certainly have most substantially all of our businesses are based in The United States, but some would touch government activity, some would have activities cross border. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:08:58So we're certainly cognizant of that. But I think we're in a wait and see attitude and but cautious as you say. Sean-Paul AdamsSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James00:09:05Perfect answer. Thank you. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:09:07Thank you. Operator00:09:12Thank you. Our next question is coming from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:09:20Hey guys. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:09:20Good morning, Chris. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:09:23Rob, could you give us a little thoughts in terms of given all the outlook information you gave, which is always appreciated, do you think the first quarter EPS will cover the dividend? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:09:37We don't have it quite, but probably not fully covered. We'll see what the balance of the quarter looks like, but probably not, but be close. And again, I think part of this is we look at the dividend and we look at earnings. One, we have substantial earnings from the past that have not been paid out. So that's helpful in effectively covering. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:10:00And then we look at it over time. And as I mentioned, we likely to start seeing some equity realizations kick in that will be helpful. But I think as a technical matter, Todd, we probably won't quite cover in the first quarter. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:10:13Yes, that's right, Chris. We think we'll be off by a few cents and that general trend will may kind of continue throughout the year just given kind of the rate environment and the spread environment. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:10:26Got you. And then on the topic of spreads, what was the driver for the decrease in investment yields in the first quarter? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:10:38So in terms of spreads, so maybe as a macro thought, So as we started 2024, we were seeing spreads in sixes and as we end the year seeing spreads in fivees. So you probably that's one factor. Two, silver did decline quarter over quarter and then probably some impact again for some additional non accruals, Chris. But the good news is it's in excess of 10% currently. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:11:11And on the topic of leverage, your leverage is just so low. I mean, what's the thought here in terms of your leverage is artificial seems to be artificially low. The EPS outlook doesn't quite cover the dividend and you're in a tightening spread environment. Why don't you just increase leverage Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:11:30a little bit? Yes. So that good counterbalance to the first question. So, yes, as I say, we're targeting a one to one being cautious about it. And so we you may see that come happen over time this year and there's some different ways to achieve that leverage, but more to come. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:11:51Got you. Final question. I know you paid off part of an SBA maturity in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Are you guys going to re up for more SBA lending capacity? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:12:07Yes, we are. We're moving forward with the third license. And thanks for noting that, that after ten years, our first license debentures are starting to come due. And so we did prepay the first debenture payment in mid February of roughly $16,000,000 But we we're in the process of obtaining hopefully a third license and we'll continue that program along the way. Christopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc00:12:32Great. Thank you very much. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:12:34Yes. Thank you, Chris. Operator00:12:38Thank you. Our next question is coming from Eric Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is live. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:12:46Good morning, Eric. Thank you. Good morning. Yes, good morning. I wanted to start first on the pipeline. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:12:52You obviously had some nice new origination activity in the fourth quarter and it seems like you're off to a good start here in the first quarter as well. So maybe just quantitatively, can you maybe kind of update us on kind of where the pipeline stands today relative to ninety days ago? And additionally, kind of what that mix looks like between new versus add on opportunities? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:13:15Yes. So I'd say that again, very busy fourth quarter and really the last month or two of the fourth quarter and then really through the first two months, this quarter we're on a pace that would be exceptional. So I think we see a little bit of slowness, but continued activity, our platform is a $3 plus billion platform overall. And so our investment teams are seeing a number of deals every week. So I think good pipeline, good deal flow, probably not expecting the same level every month that we had in the first two. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:13:53But then I'd also say so following question about new investments versus follow on. So the follow ons are very helpful. They come in two ways. One would just literally be a new follow on to the same company. And then alternatively or in addition to that, we'll have delayed draw term loans where someone is tapping an existing commitment that's been made. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:14:17And this is helpful in that it's already in place and everything's been negotiated. So it comes in both ways. But I'd say the quantum of that is probably two thirds are new transactions and roughly a third would be follow ons or draws under DDTLs. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:14:37Great. Thanks. Appreciate the color there. And just a reminder, in terms of most of the delayed draw term loans you have, did the companies need to meet some sort of financial hurdles to be able to draw on that or are they at the discretion of the company? Just remind me how those are typically structured? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:14:56Right. They're typically structured that they're a true commitment, but they are subject to certain tests. So one, it would be in compliance with all the covenants. And they typically would have an addition to that, what's known as an incurrence test. And so the leverage quotient at the time they draw would have to be similar to the time when the loan first closed. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:15:18So keeping the leverage at where we started out. And then in addition to that, you could have what needs to be used for a certain purpose and typically it's for an acquisition or some expansion. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:15:33Yes, that makes sense. Okay. And then transitioning to the spillover, I think you mentioned it in the prepared remarks with regard to the dividend and having some ability to support the dividend in the near term. With that, can you remind us of where the dollar level of the spillover is this quarter or at the end of the fourth quarter? Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:15:56Yes. We had, Eric, we had $45,000,000 of spillover at the end of the year. So that's kind of what we're working against during 2025. Erik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLC00:16:04Got you. Perfect. Thank you. That's all for me today. I appreciate it. Todd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and Secretary at Stellus Capital Investment00:16:09Thank you, Eric. Operator00:16:12Thank you. Our next question is coming from Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is live. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:16:19Good morning, Paul. Paul JohnsonVice President at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:16:21Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just a little bit more on the just kind of tariff risk in general, higher level. But have you guys run any sort of analysis or assess the portfolio in any way in terms of just kind of how much of the portfolio might be at risk of any of the tariff issues ongoing as well as just exposure to maybe kind of government services or any sort of anecdotal data points you'd be able to provide? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:16:55Sure, Paul. So we've certainly analyzed it or been looking at it. It would appear that the impact from tariffs would be more than the impact from the government kind of exposure, probably like a two to one there. Our rough estimate is that it's probably could be up to 10%. I mean, it depends how you grade them and what actually happens. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:17:20But at this point, would not appear to be material in terms of the overall activity. But we're as I said at the outset, we're going to wait and see what really comes through from what's said at the government level, what actually ends up happening. Paul JohnsonVice President at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:17:38Got it. Appreciate that. And then last one, on the realized gains this quarter, was there any additional markup at all from those investments that were exited in the fourth quarter? Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:17:51Yes. And tell me the other one, but it was a few million dollars. We have one equity position that is continuing to grow and in addition to the partial realization, its value was increased as well. Paul JohnsonVice President at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:18:07Got it. Great. Thank you very much. That's all for me. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:18:10Okay. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:18:14Thank you. As we have no further questions on the line, I will now hand the call back over to Mr. Ladd for any closing comments. Robert LaddChairman, President & CEO at Stellus Capital Investment00:18:23Okay, great. Thank you. And again, thank you everyone for your support of our company. We look forward to getting back with you in early May as we discuss the first quarter. Operator00:18:37Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. And we thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesRobert LaddChairman, President & CEOTodd HuskinsonCFO, Chief Compliance Officer & Treasurer and SecretaryAnalystsSean-Paul AdamsSenior Equity Research Associate at Raymond JamesChristopher NolanSenior VP - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. IncErik ZwickManaging Director, Equity Research at Lucid Capital Markets LLCPaul JohnsonVice President at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)Powered by