Itron Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Strong Q1 financial results: Revenue rose 1% year-over-year to $607 million, with non-GAAP EPS of $1.52, adjusted EBITDA of $88 million, and free cash flow of $67 million.
  • Record gross margin of 35.8% (up 180 basis points) driven by favorable product mix and disciplined manufacturing efficiencies.
  • Backlog remained near record levels at $4.7 billion with a book-to-bill ratio of 0.9, led by strong demand in Network Solutions and Outcomes segments.
  • Outcomes segment revenue grew 14% year-over-year, supported by recurring software licenses (around 70% recurring) and operating leverage.
  • Global tariff environment is expected to reduce EBITDA by approximately $15 million this year, despite mitigation via regional sourcing and pricing adjustments.
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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Itron's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please note that today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I will now hand the conference over to your speaker host, Paul Vincent, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Paul Vincent
Paul Vincent
VP - Investor Relations at Itron

Good morning, and welcome to Itron's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Tom Dietrich, Itron's President and Chief Executive Officer and Joan Hooper, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, will review Itron's first quarter results and provide a general business update and outlook. Earlier today, the company issued a press release announcing its results. This release also includes details related to the conference call and webcast replay information. Accompanying today's call is a presentation that is available through the webcast and on our corporate website under the Investor Relations tab.

Paul Vincent
Paul Vincent
VP - Investor Relations at Itron

Following prepared remarks, the call will open for questions using the process the operator described. Before Tom begins, a reminder that our earnings release and financial presentation include non GAAP financial information that we believe enhances the overall understanding of our current and future performance. Reconciliations of differences between GAAP and non GAAP financial measures are available in our earnings release and on our Investor Relations website. We will be making statements during this call that are forward looking. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties.

Paul Vincent
Paul Vincent
VP - Investor Relations at Itron

Actual results could differ materially from these expectations because of factors that were presented in today's earnings release and comments made during this conference call as well as those presented in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10 ks and other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. All company comments, estimates or forward looking statements are made in a good faith attempt to provide appropriate insight to our current and future operating and financial environment. Materials discussed today, 05/01/2025, may materially change, and we do not undertake any duty to update any of our forward looking statements. Now please turn to Page four of our presentation as our CEO, Tom Dietrich begins his remarks.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Thank you, Paul. Good morning and thank you for joining our call. Itron performed well during the first quarter, as favorable product mix and continued strong execution supported margin expansion and earnings growth ahead of expectations. The team is focused on the execution of our strategy and the results from the past quarter further demonstrate its effectiveness. Financial highlights for the first quarter are detailed on slide four and include: revenue of $6.00 $7,000,000 adjusted EBITDA of $88,000,000 non GAAP earnings per share of $1.52 free cash flow of $67,000,000 Turning to slide five, the record gross margin and strong earnings growth were driven by our disciplined manufacturing and the ability to meet our customers' core needs for robust solutions for their mission critical operating challenges.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Customer demand for our solutions is driven by the breadth of our offerings, particularly customer adoption of Itron's Great Edge Intelligence platform. Our customers are benefiting from increased distribution capacity, improved infrastructure agility and enhanced reliability of successful scale deployments. Turning to slide six. Bookings in the May were in line with our expectations and equate to a book to bill of 0.9 to one for the quarter. This is an increase of $169,000,000 when compared to last year, and as a result, our $4,700,000,000 backlog at quarter end remained near record levels.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

The Network Solutions and Outcomes segments continue to dominate our bookings, representing over 95% of our total backlog. Deployment of distributed intelligence solutions also continued during the quarter, and by quarter end, we have shipped 14,400,000 distributed intelligence capable endpoints with another 10 plus million in backlog. Some of the key bookings for the quarter include a major project with longtime customer FirstEnergy, which will expand infrastructure to detect and locate outages more quickly and enhance data management solutions. These improvements will provide consumers with more detailed information, enabling them to better understand and control their energy usage. Itron will support a great modernization project for public service company of New Mexico, the state's largest electricity provider.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

This project will deliver several benefits, including distributed intelligence capabilities to enhance efficiency, reliability, resilience, and security of PNM's operation. It will also enable real time energy usage information for consumers and improve the integration of distributed energy resources. Before I turn the call over to Joan to cover the financials, I want to briefly discuss the tariff landscape from both a demand and bottom line perspective. For demand, we have not seen a change in customer behavior to this point. While we are mindful that prolonged uncertainty could ultimately impact demand, our customers currently remain focused on addressing the critical needs in the management of energy and water.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

With respect to the bottom line, our regional supply strategy is serving us well. The great majority of our global manufacturing is done regionally, for instance, in South Carolina for The United States. However, we do import components from global sources with Mexico being the largest country of origin for components used in US products. Our Mexico imports are generally USMCA compliant and currently not subject to tariffs. The EBITDA impact for the year under the current tariff protocol is estimated to be approximately $15,000,000 net of mitigation measures such as alternate sourcing and pricing adjustments.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

It is important to note that the tariff environment is extremely dynamic and the current estimate may change. Despite this fluid environment, we remain balanced and well positioned to drive our business forward. Now, John will provide details for our first quarter and our outlook for the second quarter.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Thank you, Tom. Please turn to slide seven for a summary of consolidated GAAP results. First quarter revenue of $6.00 $7,000,000 increased 1% year over year. Recall that Q1 of twenty twenty four included a significant amount of previously supply constrained revenue. Gross margin of 35.8% was a quarterly record and was 180 basis points higher than last year due to a favorable product mix and operational efficiencies.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

GAAP net income of $65,000,000 or 1.42 per diluted share compared to $52,000,000 or $1.12 per share in the prior year. The improvement was driven by higher levels of operating and interest income, partially offset by higher tax expense. Regarding non GAAP metrics on Slide eight, non GAAP operating income of $80,000,000 increased 19% year over year. Adjusted EBITDA of $88,000,000 increased 15%, and our EBITDA margin of 14.5% was a company record. Non GAAP net income for the quarter was $70,000,000 or $1.52 per diluted share versus $1.24 a year ago.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Free cash flow was $67,000,000 in Q1 versus $34,000,000 a year ago. This improvement reflects strong year over year operational earnings growth, increased interest income and improved working capital. Year over year revenue growth by business segment is on slide nine. Device Solutions revenue was down 1% year over year, but up 2% on a constant currency basis. Network Solutions revenue decreased 1% year over year, primarily due to a higher than normal Q1 twenty twenty four level, which included the catch up of previously constrained revenue.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Outcomes revenue grew 14% year over year, driven by increased recurring revenue and software licenses. Moving to the non GAAP year over year EPS bridge on slide 10. Our Q1 non GAAP EPS of $1.52 per diluted share increased $0.28 year over year. Pretax operating performance contributed a $0.40 per share increase, primarily driven by the fall through of higher gross profit. Higher tax expense had a negative year over year impact of $0.11 per share, and FX and share count had a negative impact of $01 per share.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Turning to Slides 11 through 13, I'll review Q1 segment results compared with the prior year. Device Solutions revenue was 126,000,000 This segment's product portfolio continues to shift away from legacy electric products towards smart water sales, which helped drive gross margin of 30% and operating margin of 24.2%, which are both segment records. Gross margin increased six thirty basis points year over year, and operating margin was up seven ten basis points due to favorable product mix and lower operating expenses. Network Solutions revenue was $4.00 $3,000,000 with gross margin of 36.9% and operating margin of 28.8%. Gross margin decreased 20 basis points year over year due to product mix, but operating margin increased 20 basis points due to lower operating expenses.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Outcomes revenue was $79,000,000 gross margin was 39.2% and operating margin was 18.2%. Gross margin increased four ten basis points year on year and operating margin was up five ten basis points due to a higher margin revenue mix and operating leverage. Turning to Slide 14, I'll review liquidity and debt at the end of the first quarter. Total debt was $1,265,000,000 and net debt was $142,000,000 As of March 31, net leverage was 0.4 times and cash and equivalents were $1,100,000,000 Now please turn to slide 15 for our second quarter outlook. We anticipate Q2 revenue to be within a range of $6.00 5,000,000 to $615,000,000 which at the midpoint is flat versus last year.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

We anticipate second quarter non GAAP earnings per share to be within a range of 1.3 to $1.4 per diluted share, which at the midpoint is approximately 12% year over year growth. Now I'll turn the call back to Tom.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Thank you, Joan. Although macroeconomic and trade policy uncertainty has increased over the past quarter, Itron is well positioned to navigate near term uncertainty. Our results over the past two plus years clearly demonstrate that our strategic focus and operational execution aligns with the needs of our customers. Our portfolio provides clear value to utilities and cities facing numerous environmental, operational and consumer challenges. Periods of uncertainty and disruption favor the well prepared.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Our multi year efforts to optimize our factory footprint and portfolio, strengthen our supply chain resilience, and grow recurring revenue have positioned us to capitalize on future opportunities. We expect to strengthen our industry leadership through continued deployment of innovative solutions, ensuring that Itron remains a partner of choice for utilities and cities well into the future. Thank you for joining our call today. Operator, please open the line for some questions.

Operator

Thank you. And our first question coming from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Your line is now open.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. It's obviously the topic in focus this earnings season, so we do have to start with tariffs. Tom, appreciate you dimensioning the expected EBITDA impact of the tariffs for this year. If my math is right, kind of call that $0.25 impact to the bottom line.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

I know you don't typically update full year guidance until Q, but just given the strength of 1Q and what you're expecting for are you messaging here that despite sort of these net impacts of the tariffs, you still feel comfortable with the full year guide? You're already going to be over halfway to meeting the midpoint as we get through 2Q.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Thanks, Noah. I would say that it's probably premature to update our full year guidance. Our normal practice is to do it after we announce second quarter earnings. I would put it in context though and say that first quarter ahead of expectations on the bottom line and so is the second. We are cognizant that tariffs are out there.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

And I suppose they could change from what we see today. But it's all in the mix of where we are. So I would say it's a little premature to update the full year at this point.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Yeah, the only thing I would add is if you look at where the EPS consensus set prior to us announcing today and then look at our Q2 guidance for the first half of the year, the EPS for Q1 plus the midpoint of the guidance we just gave for Q2 is up 10% versus where the consensus had been. So, there's puts and takes obviously as we go through the year.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Thanks. Thank you both. Maybe I could ask about devices. Think you called out Joan that those record margins for the segment and certainly mix shift is a factor. We're now, I think meaningfully above kind of the long term gross margin target for the segment.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

How should we think about kind of the right level for segment margins going forward?

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Yes, I mean, again, it's a little premature to update the targets we had for '27, but we are very pleased. They are absolutely ahead of where we expected them to be and have done a great job kind of pruning the portfolio and shifting the mix. So, premature to say, is that always going to be thirty year? You're still going to get variability from quarter to quarter. We have a heat and allocation business that tends to have its highest seasonal quarter in Q1 that has better margins than average.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

So it's going to bump around a little bit. But I would say, yes, we're very pleased with the progress in the devices business.

Noah Kaye
Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

All right. Thank you. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of Ben Callum with R. W. Baird. Your line is now open.

Ben Kallo
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Hey, good morning, guys. My first question was just on the twelve month backlog that you took out of there. Is there anything to read into? Or how should we think about coverage for the next four quarters or the rest of the year, however you want to frame it?

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Yes, I wouldn't read anything into it at all. We took it out of the investor presentation as we didn't think it was adding all that much. It was probably confusing people more often than not because it does bounce around quite a bit. More broadly, though, getting to your real question, the outlook that we have in front of us still looks good. The demand environment has not changed over the last ninety days.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Opportunities are still there, and we feel good about the track that we're on. Our customers are very much focused on dealing with the urgency of the issues that are in front of them. The only caveat I would put on that is I suppose the macro environment could drag things down later on in the year. And that's the uncertainty that we and probably every other company faces. But I like the zip code we're in and the trajectory looks good.

Ben Kallo
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Great. My follow-up and I get this question a lot is just on the regulatory environment state by state in The United States allowing software to be capitalized or put in the rate base? And just how anything you could talk about that or other ways that utilities are moving forward with buying software from you guys? Because in the past, it seemed like that was the harder sell as opposed to the network. So anything you could talk about and if it's region specific, that would be helpful as well. Thank you.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Sure. So outcomes growth for us was up 14% year over year. That's, I think, our fourth quarter in a row of double digit year over year growth, probably seven out of the last eight quarters double digits. So it's absolutely happening. And we're obviously anxious to keep that trajectory going, if not accelerate it.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

When it comes to the regulatory environment, we've got to structure the deals in the right way to make sure that it works for our customers' business plan as well as ours. There are ways to have those purchases be included in rate bases most of the time. And indeed, that's what you see flowing through our P and L. There's different mechanisms. It depends on the state and the plumbing that they've got to work through on their side.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Oftentimes, it is in the form of term licenses over a certain period of time, a certain capability is available. It could be performance based rates where I think we're creeping up on 40 states out of the 50 now allows some sort of performance based rate. So again, the mechanism can vary state to state or customer to customer, but the trajectory that we've seen over the last couple of years has been good. The regulatory environment remains constructive for our customers, and we'll look to continue to support them as they advance on their needs.

Ben Kallo
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Thanks guys. Nice quarter.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Jeff Osborne with T. C. Cowen. Your line is now open.

Jeffrey Osborne
Jeffrey Osborne
Analyst at Cowen

Great. Thank you. Good morning. Just maybe two quick ones on the tariff environment again. What you said was very helpful, but just to be clear, Tom, the $15,000,000 is that incorporating just the current 10% tariff?

Jeffrey Osborne
Jeffrey Osborne
Analyst at Cowen

Or does that contemplate any potential changes in July 9 to the reciprocal environment?

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

That $15,000,000 net of mitigation measures includes what we do in terms of changing our country of origin on sourcing, it includes what we do on pricing, but when it comes to the tariff protocol itself, is what is in effect today is what's assumed in that. So it does include the USMCA exemption, meaning you don't pay on that. The 10% baseline tariffs contribute. And then the China tariffs that are pretty high on a percentage basis. Not that our imports from China are huge, but it doesn't take a lot to have that contribute to the cost basis itself.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

So it is the Section three zero one, Section two thirty two, the emergency power tariffs that are in effect today.

Jeffrey Osborne
Jeffrey Osborne
Analyst at Cowen

Maybe just one follow-up. I think years ago, you used to make your own printed circuit board assemblies in South Carolina and then moved that to Mexico. I know you're not updating guidance, but is there with the mitigation measures, is there any increase in CapEx that we should be contemplating?

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

No. No, I wouldn't expect any difference. Our CapEx load is pretty stable and it'll ride along based on new product introductions and things of that sort. But I wouldn't look for any material change.

Jeffrey Osborne
Jeffrey Osborne
Analyst at Cowen

Got it. And then you alluded to price in terms of one of the mitigation factors. Is that something that you on a state by state basis have to appeal to regulators for or utility does on your behalf? Maybe just walk us through the mechanics there and the risk to that.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

The pricing that we have in place is really where we have flexibility and some of those tough lessons that we learned back during COVID in terms of how to increase the amount of flexibility we have in terms of the pricing changes we can make along the way. So no change in terms of how we have been operating for the last couple of years. But obviously, as the macro environment changes, we'll make some pricing adjustments accordingly. I'm not aware of any time that customers are going back to the regulators based on that in terms of what has happened to date.

Jeffrey Osborne
Jeffrey Osborne
Analyst at Cowen

Got it. That's all I had. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Hillary Colley with Guggenheim. Your line is now open.

Joseph Osha
Senior Managing Director - Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

Hey, it's actually Joe Osha. Can you hear me okay?

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

We can. Good morning, Joe.

Joseph Osha
Senior Managing Director - Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

Hey, good morning. I don't sound like Hillary. Two questions. First, looking at this revenue push out that you had last year, I'm trying to recall how much of that was in Q2 and whether you might be able to help us understand what an organic year on year comp might look like adjusting for that? And then the second question I have, really impressive outcome here in terms of the gross and the operating margin for your Outcomes segment.

Joseph Osha
Senior Managing Director - Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

Obviously, some of that's trimming the portfolio and so forth. But how should we think about revenue fall through in that part of the business going forward? Thank you.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

So let me start with I think the first question was, how did the constraint revenue flow through in 2024? We had about $85,000,000 in Q1 and about $40,000,000 in Q2. And then essentially, we were caught up by the first half. In terms of, you mentioned portfolio trimming, so that would have been devices more than outcomes. So just to clarify which one you're looking at. But on devices, again, as I mentioned, we're really ahead of where we expected to be. Really can't promise that we're going to be at 30% gross margins every quarter, but I think certainly high 20s is our expectation. And it flows through nicely because they've been trimming their OpEx as well.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

From an outcome standpoint, we're still looking for that segment to be in the kind of the mid-40s gross margin. So we're not quite there. And as we've talked about quarter to quarter, you'll get some variability in that based on the software mix in the quarter.

Joseph Osha
Senior Managing Director - Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

If I may, and thank you for clarifying on the year on year comps. If you look at your whole year numbers, they don't quite imply that you're going to be at that mid-40s gross margins on the outcome segment. And you've just posted a very impressive result. So I guess my question is, can we expect to see this level of improvements in the margins going forward? Or I guess I should rephrase this level of revenue fall through going forward, which would imply, in fact, you could be at the mid-40s gross margin and outcomes by the end of this year.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Yeah, again, we don't really guide by segment. But certainly, the year over year improvement this year was heavily driven also by how low last year was. So we were in the 40s or so this quarter, but we were like mid-30s last quarter. So you get that software mix that distorts things. So certainly, we're looking for the outcome segment to continue to grow margins year on year. I think they will continue to do that.

Joseph Osha
Senior Managing Director - Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

All right. Thanks. I see your point. Thank you, John.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Mark Charles with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Mark Strouse
Mark Strouse
Executive Director at JP Morgan

Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking our questions. Why don't you go back to the tariffs? Can you just talk about kind of the timing of some of your mitigation efforts, whether that's price increases or kind of moving around component sources? Just trying to get a feel for I mean, tariffs could change this afternoon.

Mark Strouse
Mark Strouse
Executive Director at JP Morgan

But to the extent that the current tariffs remain in place indefinitely, just trying to get a sense of how we can think about annualizing that figure going forward. Thank you.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Sure. So the $15,000,000 net number that we talked about, if I were building a model for the three quarters ahead of us for this year, I would put most of that in the back half of the year from a cost perspective. That's really based on when various pricing mechanisms kick in, when various country of origin changes are made on the sourcing side, and the amount of inventory on hand. Remember, a certain amount of inventory was already in our hands when the protocol started. Your point about, yes, it could change immediately, but there's usually a little bit of a lag effect before the costs start to come in.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

So we didn't see much in Q1. There's a bit in Q2, but more of it is in the back half of the year.

Joseph Osha
Senior Managing Director - Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Chip Moore with Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

Chip Moore
Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe just a high level one. I was in Europe earlier this week, and there was obviously a pretty high profile blackout and I'm sure there'll be a lot of post mortem to come on that. But Tom, I'd be curious to maybe get your perspectives on if you think that's the type of thing that can help shine a light on the need for some of these grid edge solutions.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Well, certainly, I think that changing the topology of the grid to try to give you better resiliency and reliability is an important part of the value proposition we give to our customers. It takes more than just our piece of it, but we certainly can help give you visibility and control out of the edge of the grid. And that is helpful. So segmentation of the grid, microgrid solutions, virtual power plants, peak shaving, demand response, energy efficiency, all of these things are what's wrapped up inside of the platform that we provide. And it's very helpful when it comes to those kinds of situations.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

That said, I don't know that I've got perfect insight or nor does anyone at this moment as to exactly what happened in Spain and Portugal. That appeared to be much more transmission related rather than distribution related. But even in those particular cases, you can certainly limit the amount of damage and get it back online faster when and if something like that should happen by further deployment of grid edge intelligence technologies.

Chip Moore
Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Thanks. Appreciate that. And maybe one more for you, Joan. On the balance sheet at this rate, it looks like you're going to be in a net cash position in the not too distant future. So maybe an update on M and A funnel and just capital deployment more broadly and buyback, etcetera. Thanks.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

Yeah, I would say the priority for us is still finding that right acquisition that helps us get more software content and help drive the outcomes growth. So there's a lot of activity going on. I would say the PEs in particular, a lot of them are sitting on assets that are now four, five years. Some of the valuations, I think, have come down. There's some that don't necessarily want to accept a down valuation from maybe the peak from several years ago.

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

There's some medium sized assets out there as well. So we continue to be very active and that would be our first priority from a capital allocation standpoint.

Chip Moore
Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of Austin Mueller with Canaccord. Your line is now open.

Austin Moeller
Director - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets

Hi, good morning. Can you Are you able to talk about the mix between setup and engineering revenues within outcomes at customer sites versus the recurring subscription licensing revenue that you indicated was substantial in the quarter?

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Yeah. If I look at it on a year over year basis, in Q1 last year compared to this year, we had a lot more, I will say, better kind of revenue where margins were substantially higher. So amount of recurring revenue on a quarterly basis bounces around a little bit depending on the exact mix of business, but we were right around 70% recurring revenue in Q1, which that's maybe on the lower side of where we want to be ultimately is probably closer to 80% is the ultimate trajectory. But again, it will bounce around a little bit quarter to quarter.

Austin Moeller
Director - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets

Okay. And can you talk about how your grid edge intelligence solutions and network endpoints products could assist in a blackout situation like we saw in Spain and Portugal?

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Yeah. Again, the Spain and Portugal situation, I don't know that I would want to try to comment too directly on what exactly happened there until the details are out. But a pretty clear example is some of the things that we do already today with allows utilities to reroute power through distribution automation. So if you do have particular transformer that gets struck by lightning and the power goes out, you can reroute power using the mechanisms that we provide and when we work with partners to be able to do that. So you're minimizing the area, if you will, that's out.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

The same could be true in a wildfire mitigation kind of scenario. So rather than turning off all of Marin County when the wind kicks up, you can target that quite a bit more closely by having that fine tooth control out at the edge of the grid. Those are the types of solutions that we offer our customers at the distribution edge.

Austin Moeller
Director - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets

Great. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Scott Graham with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is now open.

Scott Graham
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Yes. Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Could you is there any way you could tell us a little bit more about the $15,000,000 I mean, I know that's a net number, but is it sort of like thirty, fifteen mitigation?

Scott Graham
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Is it fifty, thirty five mitigate? If you just give us an idea of maybe closer to what the gross is.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Oh, again, the mix of our product portfolio will change. And that probably means that any number that I would hazard a guess on today would be wrong by tomorrow. So it'll ebb and flow a little bit depending on how the mix changes and what deliveries on individuals look like.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

So I think that the right way to think about it is the net number and that's what would be the impact from a gross margin standpoint.

Scott Graham
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Okay, thank you. Then the other question I had was on networking. The organic there, I know really set back by last year's catch ups. Was the gross margin down because of the catch up comp? Or was that something else?

Joan Hooper
Joan Hooper
SVP & CFO at Itron

It was really just mix, and it was not down materially. I think it was you know, maybe 20 basis points. So that's noise in the scheme of things. It's just it's just mix.

Scott Graham
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners

Okay, makes very good. Thank you. That's all I had. Appreciate it.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Tom Dietrich for any closing remarks.

Tom Deitrich
Tom Deitrich
President & CEO at Itron

Very good. Thank you all for joining our call today. We look forward to updating you again in another three months.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.

Paul Vincent
Paul Vincent
VP - Investor Relations at Itron

Thank you, Olivia.

Executives
    • Paul Vincent
      Paul Vincent
      VP - Investor Relations
    • Tom Deitrich
      Tom Deitrich
      President & CEO
    • Joan Hooper
      Joan Hooper
      SVP & CFO
Analysts
    • Noah Kaye
      Senior Research Analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.
    • Ben Kallo
      Senior Research Analyst at Baird
    • Jeffrey Osborne
      Analyst at Cowen
    • Joseph Osha
      Senior Managing Director - Equity Research at Guggenheim Partners
    • Mark Strouse
      Executive Director at JP Morgan
    • Chip Moore
      Managing Director & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC
    • Austin Moeller
      Director - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets
    • Scott Graham
      Senior Equity Research Analyst at Seaport Research Partners
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