BRC Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • In Grocery and mass channels, Black Rifle delivered 21% year-over-year sales growth versus a 4% category increase and expanded ACV by 25 percentage points to 45%, driving stronger retail presence.
  • The ready-to-drink coffee segment grew 7% in Q1 against a category decline of 6%, solidifying Black Rifle as the third-largest RTD coffee brand in the U.S. with distribution in only half of available markets.
  • Launched Black Rifle Energy in January, achieving availability in nearly 12,000 retail locations and 21% ACV through a partnership with Keurig Dr Pepper, with further expansion targeted in 12 priority markets.
  • Gross margin contracted 680 basis points to 36% in Q1 due to elevated trade/promotional investments, green coffee inflation, and loyalty rewards adjustments, while new tariffs are projected to reduce 2025 EBITDA by approximately $5 million.
  • Despite headwinds, management affirmed its full-year guidance of $395–425 million in revenue and $20–30 million in adjusted EBITDA, supported by an $8–10 million annualized cost savings initiative.
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Operator

Welcome to Black Rifle Coffee Company First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Matthew McGinley, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Matt McGinley
Matt McGinley
VP - IR at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Black Rifle Coffee Company's first quarter twenty twenty five financial results conference call. We released our results yesterday, and the press release and related materials are available on our Investor Relations website at ir.blackriflecoffee.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind you of the company's Safe Harbor statement regarding forward looking statements. During today's call, management may make forward looking statements, including guidance and the underlying assumptions. These statements are based on expectations that involve risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially.

Matt McGinley
Matt McGinley
VP - IR at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

For a further discussion of these risks, please refer to our previous filings with the SEC. Additionally, this call will include non GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA. Whenever we refer to EBITDA, we mean adjusted EBITDA unless otherwise noted. Reconciliation of non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in our earnings release, which was furnished to the SEC and is available on our Investor Relations website. Now please refer to the presentation on our Investor Relations website and turn to Slide four.

Matt McGinley
Matt McGinley
VP - IR at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Monzalevski, CEO of Black Rifle Coffee Company. Monz?

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Thanks, Matt. Good morning, everyone. Joining me today are Evan Hafer, our Executive Chairman Steve Cadenesey, our Chief Financial Officer and Matt McGinley, our Head of Investor Relations. When we held our last quarterly call, we discussed the work completed in 2024 to strengthen our business foundation, streamlining operations, investing in infrastructure and building a more agile efficient organization. These efforts have made us more adaptive to navigate an evolving operating environment, and we are confident in our positioning for 2025 and beyond.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Our first quarter financial results were in line with expectations and consistent with our full year plan. While we did not anticipate tariffs or a potentially more challenging macro backdrop to start the year, we have built flexibility into our structure to respond effectively to any potential shifts in external conditions. Looking ahead, our focus remains on positioning the business for long term growth. We're scaling the brand, deepening our partnerships at retail and making sure every dollar we invest in the business is working hard for us. That means leaning into what's already working in core categories, while also breaking new ground with initiatives like the launch of Black Rifle Energy.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Moving to Slide six. In The U. S. Food, Drug and Mass channels, Nielsen data shows the coffee category declined in unit volume during the first quarter, but overall sales remained positive due to pricing actions taken by sellers across the category. Black Rifle took no pricing actions during the period, but still delivered 21% sales growth, well ahead of the category's 4% increase.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

In grocery, our distribution as measured by ACV increased by 25 percentage points year over year to reach 45%. Across all tracked channels combined, ACV rose 12 points to 50%. We expect to build on this momentum throughout 2025 through new retail partnerships and expanded shelf presence with existing customers. Moving to slide seven. Our direct to consumer channel remains a key part of of the business with over 180,000 active subscribers generating two thirds of the segment's revenue.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

It gives us direct access to loyal customers, valuable insights and a platform to test new products, while also ensuring brand access where retail distribution is limited. We've made meaningful updates to improve both the subscription and non subscription experience. Recent upgrades to our website and mobile app have improved functionality, while streamlined onboarding such as simplified ID. Me verification and automatic promo application has made it easier to subscribe. For our coffee club members, we've launched a new brand portal offering exclusive partner perks, expanded the subscriber store with BRCC gear only available to active members and are introducing prepaid subscription options.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

On the back end, we've shifted to more data driven merchandising to guide product assortment, inventory planning optimization, while staying true to our roots through founder led product development. Like many subscription based DTC businesses, we felt the impact of consumers shifting toward retail purchases, especially as our products have become more widely available in stores. DTC revenue declined 15% in the quarter, though adjusting for last year's loyalty reserve, the decline was closer to 5%. It's not yet where we want to be, but the actions we've taken are beginning to show encouraging signs of stabilization. Slide eight.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Our ready to drink coffee business continues to outperform the category, with first quarter sales up 7% in category that declined 6% according to Nielsen. This growth underscores the strength of our brand and our ability to drive sales even in a contracting market. We've maintained our standing as the third largest RTD coffee brand in The U. S. With distribution in only half of the available markets.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

We see significant runway ahead and are using the operational experience we've gained to support our new energy platform. Slide nine. We launched Black Rifle Energy into retail in January. And while it was only on shelves for a portion of the quarter, we're encouraged by the early traction. By the end of the first quarter, the product was available in nearly 12,000 retail locations, reaching 21% ACV.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Through our partnership with Keurig Doctor Pepper, we have access to a national direct store delivery network covering 180,000 doors. Over the next two years, we expect to continue expanding our footprint in a disciplined way with a near term focus on 12 priority markets. We will ramp up energy specific marketing spend to support awareness and trial, particularly in convenience channel. Our decision to enter the energy category was backed by consumer data showing that 58 of our coffee customers also purchase energy drinks, with a significant portion of our media audience consuming only energy. While it's a competitive category, it represents a significant addressable market over $20,000,000,000 in annual sales.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

We're pleased with the early momentum and believe this launch lays the foundation for a long term growth in a high value category. Before I turn it over to Steve for a deeper dive on the numbers, I want to take a moment to talk about something core to who we are, not just as a business, but as a brand with a mission. In the first quarter, we continued making monetary and product donations to military units and first responder organizations across The U. S. And around the world.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

That included firehouses, police departments and deployed units stationed in both expected and unexpected locations, places where a refreshing beverage or great cup of coffee can make a real difference. We're proud to carry this mission forward into the second quarter with support planned for more than a dozen events These efforts aren't side projects, they're fundamental to how we define success. We're building more than a beverage company. We're building a community that stands behind the people who serve. Whether it's a no notice deployment or a fire crew running on fumes, our message is simple, you're not alone, we're with you every step of the way.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

That commitment is what sets Black Rifle apart. It's what drives loyalty from our customers and pride from our team, many of whom have worn the uniform themselves. This mission is not an initiative, it's a core part of our identity and it continues to guide everything we do. With that, I'll turn it over to Steve.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Thank you, Manz. I'll start with Slide 11. First quarter revenue declined 9% compared to the prior year, primarily due to the impact of $8,500,000 in barter transactions and a $3,400,000 benefit from a change in loyalty rewards accruals in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Excluding these items, first quarter revenue increased 4%. Our wholesale segment, which primarily sells packaged coffee and ready to drink beverages to retailers declined 6% year over year.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

However, excluding the $8,500,000 in non recurring revenue from last year, sales in this segment grew 9% in the first quarter. New distribution and expanded shelf presence drove a fourfold increase in sales to FDM retailers compared to the prior year. Sales to our largest retail customer grew 3% over the same period. Revenue in our direct to consumer segment declined 15% in the first quarter. Excluding the $3,400,000 impact from the loyalty rewards accrual change in the prior year, the decline was 5%.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

This was driven by increased retail availability of Black Rifle products, a broader shift in consumer behavior away from direct to consumer channels and our deliberate reallocation of resources towards wholesale. Our Outpost segment grew revenue by 2% driven by higher franchise revenue and continued growth in the average order value from bundling and improved merchandising. Slide 12. Gross margin declined six eighty basis points in the first quarter to 36% of sales. The primary drivers of the decline were a strong 500 basis point impact from five increased investment in trade and pricing, three thirty basis points from green coffee inflation and a 200 basis point impact from the change in loyalty rewards.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

These pressures were partially offset by nearly 400 basis points of benefit from productivity gains and favorable product mix. Slide 13. As we suggested in our guidance in March, we expect to generate limited EBITDA in the first half of the year, reflecting the impact of non recurring revenue in the prior year, the timing of trading and advertising and revenue gains that are expected to build throughout the year. As a result, adjusted EBITDA declined by $11,600,000 compared to the first quarter of last year, approximately $1,000,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Over the past eighteen months, we've made significant progress in driving productivity, enhancing operating efficiency and directing resources towards the highest return initiatives.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

As a result, salaries, wages and benefits declined 11% due to reduction in headcount, while G and A expenses fell 23% year over year, driven by lower professional services spend and reductions in corporate infrastructure. Page 15. We are maintaining our full year revenue guidance of $395,000,000 to $425,000,000 and continue to expect that the first quarter will represent the low point for revenue with sequential growth throughout the year. This ramp will be supported by ongoing distribution gains in both packaged coffee and energy along with targeted marketing and trade investments to drive awareness and repeat purchases. As a reminder, dollars 30,400,000.0 in revenue from 2024 will not repeat.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We cycled 11,800,000 of that non recurring revenue in the first quarter and expect an additional $5,800,000 impact in the second quarter. While we remain confident in the three year outlook we outlined in January and in the twenty twenty five operating plans shared in March, our previous guidance did not contemplate tariffs. Virtually all coffee consumed in The U. S. Is imported.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

To help frame the potential impact, we estimate that roughly one third of our cost of goods sold is tied to imports. The majority of this is green coffee or coffee extracts with a smaller portion related to packaging, apparel and merchandise. Most of our coffee is sourced from Central America, Brazil and Colombia. While the situation remains fluid, we currently estimate the impact of tariffs under the existing framework will be approximately $5,000,000 to EBITDA in 2025. We are taking proactive steps to protect gross margin and are accelerating initiatives to enhance productivity across our supply chain.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

In addition, we recently implemented a price increase. Consistent with actions taken by other packaged coffee manufacturers to offset the significant rise in green coffee prices. Even before tariffs were introduced, prices for high quality Arabica coffee more than doubled since the beginning of twenty twenty four. We remain mindful of maintaining competitive shelf pricing to support strong retail velocity. So this pricing decision was not made lightly.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We expect a modest top line benefit from pricing in the second half of twenty twenty five, which will provide a partial offset to the inflationary pressure we are experiencing from green coffee. We now expect gross margin to be in the 35% to 37% range compared to our prior estimate of 37% to 39%. Key drivers of the outlook compared to prior year results include at least a 300 basis point impact from green coffee inflation net of pricing with the incremental pressure due to higher production volume requiring more purchases at spot rates, a two fifty basis point impact from trade investment behind energy and a more normalized promotional cadence. At least a 100 basis point impact from tariffs was nearly all of that expected in the second half of the year. These pressures are expected to be partially offset by at least a 200 basis point benefit from productivity initiatives and a more favorable product mix.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

While tariffs and green coffee inflation create near term uncertainty, we remain focused on positioning the business success. Our cost reduction and efficiency initiatives over the past two years have significantly improved margins and cash flow, enabling us to reinvest in the brand and expand into the energy category this year. As part of that effort, we have reviewed our entire cost base and are confident we will achieve 8,000,000 to $10,000,000 in annualized cost savings by streamlining operations and driving continuous improvement. As a direct result of operating expense reductions and additional supply chain productivity, we are maintaining our previous EBITDA guidance of 20,000,000 to $30,000,000 To help with modeling, we expect gross margin to be one to two points lower in the second quarter than the 36% rate in the first quarter with sequential improvement in the second half as the benefits of pricing and productivity begin to take hold. As previously noted, we anticipate adjusted EBITDA will be limited in the first half with a step up in the back half as revenue builds.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We maintain focus on driving operating leverage by tightening managing gross margins and expenses, ensuring that we can scale efficiently while supporting the long term growth and resilience of the business. While tariffs were not contemplated in our original plan, we're encouraged by the operational progress so far this year, particularly the early distribution gains for Black Rifle Energy. We remain confident in our ability to deliver both top line growth and adjusted EBITDA in line with the three year plan we laid out in January. Operator, we are now ready for Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. Today's first question is coming from Michael Baker of D. A. Davidson.

Operator

Please go ahead. Mr. Baker, your line is live. Please make sure your phone is not on mute.

Michael Baker
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson

Got it. Sorry, I was on mute. One bigger picture question and then a more specific follow-up. Bigger picture, how do you think your business reacts to what looks like an economic slowdown? I suppose on one hand, if things get tough for the consumer, you get a little bit more coffee at home rather than going out to Starbucks or other restaurants.

Michael Baker
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson

On the other hand, you guys have a little bit of a premium positioning. So do you think you're getting any trade down? Have you seen any kind of trade down? Any sort of view on the consumer right now?

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Yes. Thanks, Michael. Great question. I think you nailed a component of it already, but just to elaborate a bit on that. We've seen this a number of times in the business.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

When the economy slows down, what you said is true. We do see a shift of consumers that move from coffee shop to at home coffee. And in those in that case, are coffee heads that want a high quality product. They tend to shift to super premium brands and we see a tailwind around that. We obviously do have coffee shops, but that's a very small percentage of our portfolio overall, versus other brands in the category.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

So we feel great about that. As far as the category then within grocery, yes, some of the lower priced brands are doing well, but overall the category is doing very well. A lot of that is on the back of some of the price increases. But even on a unit standpoint, there's reasonable stabilization in the category even given some of these price increases. And for us, we're seeing our units up 34% across the market in Q1.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

So we feel great about just the number of Black Rifle products that are being taken home.

Michael Baker
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson

Okay. Thank you. That makes sense. My more specific question, on the outlook on the guidance, a couple of changes, particularly in gross margin. The trade spend and normal promotion, that's now going to be a two fifty basis point hit.

Michael Baker
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson

I think last quarter you talked about it being 150 basis point hit. So are you spending more now than you had originally anticipated? And if so, why?

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We're really driving the energy launch on the trade side, although we did have some pricing actions actually pricing down in some of our grocery retailers to drive trial. We don't expect it to be quite as significant over the course of the full year, but it was an impact in the quarter. And then obviously coffee inflation is a significant piece of that because of the higher volumes that we're driving. We actually had to go out into the spot markets versus utilizing the contracts that we have already in place at lower prices. So that drove some of it.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

And then we have in that gross margin full year outlook, we've got some indication in there around tariffs, which actually should push us to below the midpoint of our EBITDA range. If those do materialize, we think we can make up, and keep within the range given our actions within the business to be more efficient and more productive. But those tariffs are another element of it.

Michael Baker
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson

Right. But specific to the 2.5 impact from trade spending and normal promotional cadence, again, think that was 150 in the fourth quarter report that that's due to the trying to drive driving some trial from lower pricing. Is that right? Correct. Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Sauranga Bhora of Telsey Advisory Group. Please go ahead.

Sarang Vora
Equity Research at Telsey Advisory Group

Great. Thank you for taking the question. My first question is on the energy drink. I mean, good launch in the last three months on the energy side. Can you share any early feedbacks?

Sarang Vora
Equity Research at Telsey Advisory Group

I know you talked about positive and the ramp is strong, but any early feedbacks on like pricing, taste, flavor, distribution that positively surprised you and anything that you feel like you can change as the year goes by?

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Hi, Sarang. Yes, thanks for the question. Yes, so far we feel great about the launch. It is early days. We're not in a position to be able to talk to some of the specific numbers around how we're doing in any particular retailer.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

We're just not far enough into the season yet, and deep enough into the distribution. But we are ahead of our expectations, as I mentioned in the prepared comments on distribution at over 20% of the market already. And just as a reminder, the way we're doing this strategically, so we do have our largest customer in distribution. There will be other food customers in distribution. And then we're focusing from a convenience standpoint in 12 key markets, which we're working hand in hand with Keurig Doctor Pepper on not only the regional or national customers in those markets, which can be tracked, but many of the C stores in those markets are what we call up and down the street or UDS, convenience stores and those actually, cannot be publicly tracked.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

So we will, as we get deeper into the season start to release some information around those customers as well, which, will work hand in hand with Doctor Pepper on. But yes, subject some of the upfront non quantitative feedback is that the product is selling well. Marketing programs are just now turning on in those markets. You'll start to see them across those 12 markets. Some of the programs obviously will be national, particularly in our owned media.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

And then you asked on product, we feel good about the product. We're tracking this very closely. It's we went after we talked about this, we went after a very clean flavor profile to match the clean ingredients that we're using in Black Rifle Energy. So we're not putting a lot of the same chemicals that are in other products into our product. And with that clean product delivery, we're getting a very, very good feedback on a clean crisp flavor profile.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

So again, meeting what we intended, but long way to go.

Sarang Vora
Equity Research at Telsey Advisory Group

That's great. I love the product, so that's good to hear. Steve, there's a question on your second half guidance. Now it includes tariff, there's trade promotion, as we talked before. They all stepped up, coffee inflation stepped up, but you maintained the guidance EBITDA guidance of 20,000,000 to $30,000,000 And obviously, the savings went up in the back half of about 8,000,000 to 10,000,000 Can you share some of the incremental cost saving initiatives or buckets that gives you a greater confidence in achieving the EBITDA range? Thanks.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Well, at a high level, Sareem, we can share. I mean, are always focused on continuous improvement. So a lot of the things that we're focused on are just being more efficient as a business, cutting out inefficiencies that slow us down being quick to market. We're clearly facing a fair number of headwinds in terms of inflation and tariffs. So I think that just kind of comes with the territory for us.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

I don't want to get into specifics of the eight to 10 specifically. We will give you more details on that as we go. But it's kind of across the board in terms of the business, largely positioning us so that we can be agile and nimble going forward and continue to scale off a low base. We're already scaling off of our salaries and wages and SG and A costs in general from the prior year. We just think we can do it even better.

Sarang Vora
Equity Research at Telsey Advisory Group

That's great. Good luck. Thank you.

Operator

You. The next is coming from Glenn West of William Blair. Please go ahead.

Analyst

Hey, guys. Glenn West stepping in for Jon Andersen. I was hoping to touch on the DTC business quickly. I know in the past, we've kind of been talking about approaching a stabilization there. And then I was down 5% adjusted for those loyalty reserves.

Analyst

I guess I'm curious kind of what strategies are being implemented to kind of further prevent the decline and ultimately get to a more stabilization there in light of kind of the reallocated investment in ad spend away from there?

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Yes. Thanks, Glenn, for the question. So as you called out, this is a part of our business that, it declined last year. We know we've talked about how our consumers are shifting from a behavioral standpoint to buying in wholesale, either brick and mortar wholesale or digital wholesale. We feel great about the growth.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

As I talked about, we've got 34% unit increase, 24% revenue increase on the wholesale side of our coffee business. For DTC, the idea for us is to create stabilization, which we feel like we've been able to do in Q1. So as you mentioned, 5% after you adjust for the loyalty points decline and that is with less dollars going into that business. As you would expect, we are shifting our spending towards our energy launch, towards the continued support of our great coffee business in pods and bags and of course our RTD coffee business where we're number three in the market right now. With DTC, there's less spending, which means you're going to have less folks coming in the front or the top of the funnel.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

But we're operating much more efficiently with the folks that are coming in. So with a focus on the mobile app in particular, because we know over two thirds of our consumers are using the mobile app, we've been able to really increase our conversion numbers significantly. That even with a declined number of folks coming in with less spending to drive them in the top of the funnel, we're still able to get close to a stable revenue number. And most importantly for us, we are seeing a full stabilization, of our subscription business. And those are our most valuable consumers.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

We love all of our consumers, but those that want to subscribe with us, of course, that long term value for us is significant. So the focus will continue to be on conversion and in particular conversion to our subscription based products. You're going to see more and more benefits for subscribers in order to be able to incent that. And we expect the stabilization to continue through the rest of the year.

Analyst

Thank you, guys. That's helpful color. I'll pass on there.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from George Kelly of ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

George Kelly
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions. So a couple of different topics I wanted to cover. The first is just on gross margin. I was hoping you could give a little more detail on the pricing that you took.

George Kelly
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

How much was it? When did you take it? And then secondly, how long or I guess how kind of forward the forward green coffee buying that you have under contract, how far does that get you? And kind of how should we think high level about 2026? And I know it's a long time from now, but when do you start sort of buying your 2026 needs?

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Yes. No, great questions. On the pricing side, so we're a challenger brand. So we do not lead on the pricing side. So our comments in the prepared comments is about the future and we plan to take pricing going forward.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

That will largely hit towards the end of second quarter and into the third and fourth quarter. We're very meticulous about how we do that. We're looking at the prices of the brands that we're challenging. We want to stay competitive to them. So it really varies depending on whether you're buying bagged coffee ground or pods.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We tend to be at a premium to our competitors in the bagged coffee and ground. However, we tend to be more on par relative to the pods. We will continue to do that. So we're pricing against what our competitors are doing and they've all taken price. So we'll continue to kind of be where we want to be relative to them.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We're not going to give you specifics on each category. But we've done a heck of a lot of research around pricing actions and understanding the elasticity of the segment in general, which tends to be quite low, so that we are not putting ourselves at risk where in terms of the pricing action to impact our volumes. There could be some, but we think where we're going to end up limits that risk dramatically. On the green coffee side, great question. We are about 95% hedged out for 2025.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We're happy about that. On average, our competitors based on our understanding and speaking with folks out there in the coffee market are about ninety days out. So we're in a better position, Even though there's a 40% increase relative to where we were last year, our competitors are looking at over 100% increase relative to where they were last year. We are already looking out in 2026. It's a complex environment to try and understand.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

We look at that on a quarter by quarter basis and future contracts are priced on a quarter by quarter basis. You're generally seeing the prices of those forward contracts being lower than what current coffee prices are. The closer you get to Q1, the higher price, but outside of Q1, Q2, Q3 and Q4, you see the cost of those futures going down. Our intention in 2026 will be to get hedged against whatever plan we put in place and whatever guidance we give the Street rather than taking risk in similar to how we're priced now. So right now, we certainly are staring at higher coffee prices out in 2026, but we continue to look at that on an active basis and we'll limit that risk as we go.

George Kelly
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Okay. That was helpful. Thank you. And then, second question for me on your FDM business. You gave a lot of numbers that I just had a hard time keeping up with.

George Kelly
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

So I guess the ones I was hoping to that you could revisit or expand on. You gave your largest customer, I think you said was plus 3% in the quarter. Can you give a breakdown on volume and price there? Because I noticed that you lowered price a bit on shelf at least. So just wondering kind of how that all shook out.

George Kelly
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

And then just broadly, you also gave a growth number for your smaller FDM partners outside of that large customer. And I think it was huge, but I maybe missed that. So just if you could give a little bit more about volume and price about both your largest and then the smaller partners there too, that would be great. Thank you.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Yes. In general, it is volume and price. We don't get into the details of both, at a customer level. But you're right, our largest customer was up 3% net of all of that. And you are also correct that we have had aggressive pricing in that customer against our competitors and that has paid off.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

And that's the result of that 3% increase. And the rest of FDM, I believe the number we said was we're up 400% in the rest of grocery and that's largely through the ACV gains, distribution gains that we've had year over year.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

I think just to build on Steve's comment, when we look at our delivery, the number I mentioned earlier in the questions was for the total market, if I look at all the customers combined, our coffee business was up 24%, in dollars and 34 percent in units. And for a brand in our position, we feel great about that. To Steve's point, we did sharpen the price in a number of customers promotionally. Obviously, we're taking we talked about the base price increase that we're taking on the business. That doesn't mean that we won't sharpen up promotion prices in order to be able to drive trial and we feel great about the effectiveness of that given the 34% increase in units.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

That's 34% more units being trialed by our consumers. We believe in our product quality. So when that happens, that allows us to build the long term business. And yes, just to further elaborate on Walmart where we feel great about our partnership, they've been there with us since day one, fantastic partners to us. As Steve said, we don't talk in detail about specific numbers.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

But suffice to say, based off of what continues to be category leading numbers that we have driven year after year with our largest customer, we have great plans in place for the back part of the year to continue to be able to increase our expansion of the business, not only through our coffee business, but as we've talked about in energy as well.

George Kelly
Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Okay. Appreciate the color. Thanks.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Sure.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Joseph Altobello of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Martin Mitela
Martin Mitela
Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James

Hi, good morning. This is Martin on for Joe. I just want to touch on pricing and sort of the guide for sales that hasn't moved at all, but you did mention that you took up pricing and that it could provide a modest tailwind to 2H. So just trying to gauge, was that originally contemplated in the guidance and would that sort of imply maybe lower volumes in the second half or should we take away that maybe we should just have more confidence in the upper side of that range?

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

I think there's puts and takes as you go through the year. We were always contemplating a potential price increase. We didn't give specifics on what was within that range. But yes, the put is the pricing on the revenue side and you could have some elasticity in that number, but we're taking all of that into account without getting into specifics.

Martin Mitela
Martin Mitela
Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James

Okay, great. Thank you.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Daniel Biotis of Hedgeye. Please go ahead.

Daniel Biolsi
Managing Director at Hedgeye Risk Management, LLC

Good morning. For the gross margins, how much of the five ten basis points of trade in price investment was due to the energy drink slotting fees and what was related if any to the packaged coffee?

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Trade and slotting would be almost entirely the energy side of the business.

Daniel Biolsi
Managing Director at Hedgeye Risk Management, LLC

And the slotting fees in particular for?

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Sorry. You're you're coming in a bit muffled.

Daniel Biolsi
Managing Director at Hedgeye Risk Management, LLC

Oh, sorry. And that's related to the the slotting fee for the energy drinks launch?

Martin Mitela
Martin Mitela
Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James

Correct.

Daniel Biolsi
Managing Director at Hedgeye Risk Management, LLC

And then what is the lag on importing the coffee beans to being sold? Is that the ninety days you were talking about?

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

No. The ninety days where our competitors seem to be hedged out. We're hedged out almost entirely for the full year based on our discussions with folks, within the community of forward purchase contracts. The indication is that in aggregate our competitors are hedged out about ninety days. In other words, in three months from now, they either have to put in new contracts within that time or they'll be buying at spot rates.

Daniel Biolsi
Managing Director at Hedgeye Risk Management, LLC

When do we start? How long does it take for the tariffs before they start running through your cost of goods sold?

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Third quarter is our expectation.

Matt McGinley
Matt McGinley
VP - IR at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

Could see a little bit of it in the second, but we expect that to primarily be into the third quarter.

Daniel Biolsi
Managing Director at Hedgeye Risk Management, LLC

Thank you.

Stephen Kadenacy
Stephen Kadenacy
CFO at Black Rifle Coffee(BRC)

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any additional or closing comments.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

Yes. Thanks everyone for the great questions. I will just summarize very quickly. Tough operating environment right now, we feel great about where our business stands. As we've talked about for our coffee business, which is the heart and soul of what we do at Black Rifle, we are growing share aggressively across all three segments, all three large segments we operate in, ground coffee, pods and RTD coffee.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

We feel great about our expansion into energy. We're going to talk a lot about that next quarter as we have more metrics coming out of the season, but feel like we're off to a great start. And then finally, we have a lot of focus on the cost side of our business, which is something that Steve, myself, the rest of our management team have really been focused on from day one. So this isn't new for us. Really given that infrastructure and thinking that we've had in the business since day one, we feel very well positioned to be able to take on these additional challenges cost wise that have come our way.

Chris Mondzelewski
Chris Mondzelewski
CEO at BRC

So excited about the results and look forward to talking to you next quarter.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect your lines or lock off the webcast at this time and enjoy the rest of your day.

Executives
    • Matt McGinley
      Matt McGinley
      VP - IR
    • Chris Mondzelewski
      Chris Mondzelewski
      CEO
    • Stephen Kadenacy
      Stephen Kadenacy
      CFO
Analysts
    • Michael Baker
      Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson
    • Sarang Vora
      Equity Research at Telsey Advisory Group
    • Analyst
    • George Kelly
      Managing Director, Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC
    • Martin Mitela
      Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James
    • Daniel Biolsi
      Managing Director at Hedgeye Risk Management, LLC
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