Brixmor Property Group Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Robust leasing drove 1.7M sq ft of new and renewal leases at a 24% blended spread (44% on new deals) and set record-high ABR per sq ft, while a $67 M signed-but-not-commenced pipeline (7% of ABR) helped lift occupancy to 94.2% despite bankruptcy disruptions.
  • Positive Sentiment: Value-add redevelopment is accelerating, with $150M–$200M of projects expected at the top of guidance—including the Davis Collection (Trader Joe’s/Nordstrom Rack), Farm Plaza (Whole Foods) and Wynwood Village (Target)—and a future pipeline of several hundred million dollars.
  • Positive Sentiment: Acquired La Centerra in Houston at below-replacement cost, a top-decile grocery-anchored lifestyle center with expiring below-market rents and a high-quality tenant roster primed for mark-to-market upside.
  • Positive Sentiment: Raised 2025 guidance to 3.9%–4.3% same-property NOI growth and $2.22–$2.25 NAREIT FFO per share—driven by 3.8% NOI growth in Q2 despite a 260 bp drag from tenant disruptions and accelerating base rent commencements.
  • Positive Sentiment: Maintains strong liquidity and balance sheet health with $1.4 B available, no debt maturities until June 2026 and a 5.5x debt/EBITDA ratio, supporting disciplined capital recycling into higher-return assets.
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Brixmor Property Group Q2 2025
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Operator

Greetings, and welcome to Brixmor Property Group Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Daisy Slater. Thank you. You may begin.

Stacy Slater
Stacy Slater
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Capital Markets at Brixmor Property Group

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Brixmor's second quarter conference call. With me on the call today are Jim Taylor, Chief Executive Officer Brian Finnegan, President and Chief Operating Officer and Steve Gallagher, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mark Horgan, Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer, will also be available for Q and A. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that some of our comments today may contain forward looking statements that are based on certain assumptions and are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings, and actual future results may differ materially. We assume no obligation to update any forward looking statements.

Stacy Slater
Stacy Slater
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Capital Markets at Brixmor Property Group

Also, we will refer today to certain non GAAP financial measures. Further information regarding the use of these measures and reconciliations of these measures to our GAAP results are available in the earnings release and supplemental disclosure on the Investor Relations portion of our website. Given the number of participants on the call, we kindly ask that you limit your questions to one per person. If you have additional questions, please re queue. At this time, it's my pleasure to introduce Jim Taylor.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Thank you, Stacy, and good morning, everyone. I couldn't be more pleased with or proud of this Brixmor team's outstanding execution of our value add plan, execution that drives our improved outlook for 2025 and provides excellent visibility on outperformance in 2026 and beyond. Brian and Steve will review our results and outlook in more detail, but I'd like to highlight a few points that underscore one, our unique visibility on growth two, the fundamental and accelerating transformation of our portfolio and three, the opportunities for future growth that we continue to unlock through disciplined capital recycling. As always, it begins with leasing where we once again drove robust volumes and spreads, leveraging broad tenant demand to be in our centers and capitalizing on recent tenant disruption to bring in better, more relevant anchor tenants that in turn, as we all know, drive outperformance in traffic and rate for the balance of the shopping center. In fact, this quarter, we not only drove our average in place ABR to a new record, we achieved a record high per square foot rate for new and renewal leases.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Our robust leasing activity drove our signed but not commenced pipeline to $67,000,000 or 7% of total ABR despite commencing $15,000,000 again of new ABR in the quarter. This represents eight quarters of average commencements of $15,000,000 while the forward pipeline has consistently exceeded 60,000,000 As Steve will detail in his remarks, this consistent delivery of new rents is part of what's driving expected NOI growth of over 4% this year despite the drag from recent tenant disruption. Speaking of value add, our reinvestment pipeline continues to deliver and we now expect to be at the upper end of our annual goal of 150,000,000 to $200,000,000 of project deliveries at compelling returns. These projects include the Davis Collection, a Trader Joe's and Nordstrom Rack anchored center on the doorstep of UC Davis, Farm Plaza, a Whole Foods anchored center just outside of Philadelphia, and Wynwood Village, a Target anchored center just south of Downtown Dallas. Where we have delivered reinvestment projects, we also continue to benefit from the flywheel effect in growing occupancy and rate on the balance of the shopping centers impacted, which effect is reflected in the records we have set in small shop occupancy and rate.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Importantly, in addition to the $370,000,000 of accretive projects we have underway, we have a future pipeline of identified projects of several 100,000,000 with assets we own and control that provide visibility on growth for the next several years. Finally, we continue to opportunistically recycle capital, harvesting lower growth assets and redeploying the proceeds into assets where we see substantial upside through our leasing, operations and reinvestment platform. We are particularly pleased to announce the acquisition of La Centerra, an iconic grocery anchored lifestyle asset that we've long targeted in the Houston MSA, our third largest. With great tenants such as Trader Joe's, Athleta, IKEA, Lovesac, Lululemon, Sephora, Warby Parker, as well as a diverse mix of high quality dining and service tenants, La drives over 5,000,000 visits annually, putting it in the top decile nationally of comparable lifestyle centers. Priced well below replacement costs, La Centerra offers us tremendous upside as we capitalize on below market rents expiring over the near term.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

In sum, our value add plan continues to fire on all cylinders, providing us with truly exciting and unparalleled visibility on future growth. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian and Steve for a more detailed discussion of our results and outlook. Brian?

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Our team delivered another quarter of outstanding results, once again validating the demand to be part of the Bricksmore portfolio and the momentum of our value added plan.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Leasing activity stood out, with recently recaptured space not only resolved at speed, but upgraded with stronger traffic driving tenants at significantly higher rents. The message is clear, top tier retailers want to grow with us and they are. This quarter, we executed 1,700,000 square feet of new and renewal leases at a blended cash spread of 24%, including over 900,000 square feet of new leases at an impressive 44% spread. That new lease activity generated the highest quarterly annual base rent in our company's history. Much of this record performance came from backfilling space recaptured through the Big Lots, Party City and Joanne bankruptcies, and we've already resolved 80% of those spaces with better tenants at rents more than 40% higher.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

And despite a 70 basis point drag from bankruptcies, we still delivered 10 basis points of sequential occupancy growth to 94.2%. Small shop leasing continues to be a strength, reaching a new portfolio high of 91.2%, which as Jim highlighted more upside as we deliver accretive reinvestments. We also saw improvement in our intrinsic lease terms, setting a record for new lease annual rent growth at 2.8%, while our disciplined approach in eliminating burdensome CAM provisions and deploying fixed CAM where appropriate has continued to improve our recovery rate. We're also proud of the caliber of tenants joining our portfolio, retailers that are expanding with purpose and conviction. This quarter, among the tenants we added were new locations with Sprouts Farmers Market, Nordstrom Rack, Ross Dress for Less, Burlington Stores, Barnes and Noble, Chick fil A, Dave's Hot Chicken and PNC Bank.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

As Jim mentioned, and as highlighted by our La Centerra acquisition in Houston, we're also seeing a clear trend as best in class mall native and elevated brands are moving into high traffic grocery anchored centers. Thanks to our proactive portfolio transformation, we're capturing this momentum, adding first to portfolio deals with Sephora, Lovesac and J. Jill during the quarter with several more exciting names in our forward pipeline. Looking ahead to the 2025, we're confident in the trajectory of our business. Our traffic and collection trends are strong.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

The consumer remains resilient and our forward leasing pipeline is larger than it was at this time last year with credit worthy tenants focused on growing store count. We are exceptionally well positioned to capitalize on this environment and deliver compelling growth in 2025 and beyond. That's a direct result of the outstanding execution by the entire Brixmor team and we're grateful for their continued efforts. With that, I'll turn the call over to Steve for a deeper dive into our financial results. Steve?

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

Thanks, Brian. As both Jim and Brian emphasized, we continue to deliver consistent outperformance as we execute our value add business plan. NAREIT FFO was $0.56 per share in the second quarter driven by same property NOI growth of 3.8% despite a two sixty basis point drag from tenant disruption in the quarter. Base rent growth contributed three sixty basis points to same property NOI growth, as the momentum from the snow commencements at higher rents continues to outpace the drag from the short term build occupancy decline. Antillane, other reimbursements, other revenues contributed 150 basis points to same property NOI growth, as we capitalized on tenant disruption to drive revenue on temporarily vacant spaces and also negotiated a revised agreement for our parking garage at Point Orlando that allows us to further capitalize on the growth and traffic at that center.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

As expected, net expense reimbursements detracted 110 basis points from same property NOI growth due to the prior year benefit related to tax assessments in Cook County, Illinois. As Brian noted, we signed a record high $21,000,000 of new ABR in the quarter and ended the second quarter with a four fifty basis point spread between leased and build occupancy. Our signed but not yet commenced pool totaled $67,000,000 which includes $59,000,000 of net new rent. We expect to commence $41,000,000 through the remainder of the year and now expect total commencements of $69,000,000 in 2025, as compared to the $53,000,000 we expected at the end of last year, which will provide a tailwind to growth in 2026. From a balance sheet perspective at June 30, we had $1,400,000,000 of available liquidity, no remaining debt maturities until June 2026, and our debt to EBITDA on a current quarter annualized basis was 5.5 times, providing us flexibility as we execute on our business plan.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

In terms of our forward outlook, we have updated our same property NOI growth guidance to 3.9% to 4.3 and increased our FFO guidance to $2.22 to $2.25 We expect tenant disruption to drag same property NOI by two thirty basis points and we expect the trajectory of base rent growth to accelerate into the second half of the year as we commence rent from the snow pipeline. Our increased FFO expectations are driven by the increase in same property NOI as well as increased lease settlement and other income as we continue to operate the portfolio for long term value creation, capitalizing on opportunities environment to proactively recapture an accretively backfill space. We have consistently said rent basis matters, and you see that in growth we have been able to deliver at the top of the peer group, while also reducing exposure to our at risk tenants and providing unparalleled visibility into growth in 2026 and beyond. And with that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue.

Operator

As a reminder, we ask that you please limit to one question and re queue if necessary. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Todd Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Todd Thomas
Todd Thomas
MD & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hi, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask about leasing in the quarter. New lease volume in particular was really strong and I'm wondering, Brian, do you see a path to getting the portfolio's lease rate back to 95% and what's the timeframe for that? And then with this year's bankruptcies and known move outs largely behind you at this point, was just wondering if you could comment on this year's tenant disruption and drag relative to the forward outlook for tenant risk and vacate activity in the remainder of 'twenty five and sort of an early view into 'twenty six?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Hey Todd, it's Jim. Before we answer that question, I just really wanted to comment at the start of the question that our hearts and prayers go out to our friends at 345 Park, particularly those families and loved ones of the victims. Just our hearts are with you and I wanted to say that at the outset. Thank you.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, and thanks Todd.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

We were really pleased with the activity during the quarter. I think we had talked about coming out of ICSE, just what we were hearing from our retailers in terms of continuing to be focused on growing their store footprint. What you heard on the first quarter calls from retailers was constructive and positive in terms of the trends that they're seeing in their business. And we really saw it come through in the activity during the quarter from a wide range of uses, whether that's in specialty grocery, off price apparel, books, home furnishing, QSR restaurants, which we're seeing we're continuing to see better operators there. So it was pretty broad based and particularly to your point, a lot of that was on space that we recently recaptured.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

And we're really proud of how the team has gotten after that quickly and have been able to backfill that with much better tenants. I think to your second part of your question, as Steve touched on it in his remarks, this has given us the opportunity to improve what has already been the best underlying credit profile that this portfolio has ever had. So really on the other side of this, that watch list is a lot smaller than it was historically. There's always categories that we're watching. You think of drug stores, they're certainly closing some locations.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

It's a very small part of what we do less than 1% of our ABR. You think of theaters, there's some good trends there, but also very small part of what we do as well. So we feel pretty confident on the other side of this. And from a trajectory standpoint, remain really encouraged by what we're seeing in the leasing pipeline.

Todd Thomas
Todd Thomas
MD & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets

Steve, was there an amount of rent collected in the quarter that's worth considering as we think about 3Q that will create a little bit of drag? Or do you anticipate an inflection in economic occupancy and ABR growth moving into the back half of the year?

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

Yes. I mean, if you just think about the rent, you're talking on the bank of spaces, obviously, you would have had a sub period for some of the Jo Ann locations. And then going forward, we will be getting back a couple of at home. But I think more importantly, and what Brian highlighted was getting the rent commence on those back fills within the third quarter and into the fourth quarter will start to accelerate that base rent growth as we move through the remainder of the year.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, and Todd, I would just remark, we're particularly pleased to be at a place where we're growing better than 4% despite over two thirty basis points of headwind, which obviously does imply the rent commencements from the snow pipeline in the latter part of the year as Steve highlighted.

Todd Thomas
Todd Thomas
MD & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets

Alright, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Goldsmith
Michael Goldsmith
US REITs Analyst at UBS Group

Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. On Lafayette, can you talk about the opportunity here seemingly you can benefit from scale in the Houston market and it brings you closer to some of the growth tenants that you're working with across the portfolio? Presumably, there are some leases that are up for maturity for the first time where you can sprinkle some bricks for magic and remerchandise. So what are the benefits from this property? And if you could provide the cap rate, that would be helpful. Thank you.

Executive

Sure. Well, I think you've got the sales down pretty well. We're really excited about adding Lawson Tierra to the portfolio as we do think this is a pretty classic example of value added investing as we do believe we bought the asset at a pretty opportunistic time in the asset's life cycle. We recently reviewed plenty of lifestyle deals in the market. I think this one has some pretty unique attributes, which you kind of outlined, which is why we focused on Los Centerra.

Executive

So for example, the in place occupancy here is around 90%. It does have several high profile vacancies. We already have LOIs in hand and actually a lease on the short term of ownership that we've had. Additionally, as you mentioned, the asset has very significant rent mark to market. At certain spaces have rents that were set well over twenty years ago and are now expiring in the very near term without options.

Executive

And as importantly, asset clearly is going to be the landing zone for the high profile and high rent paying tenants, Brian kind of laid out in his remarks this morning. From a cap rate perspective, with our expenses, management fees and LOIs in hand, the yields in the low-6s today with very, very significant growth potential ahead of us. So importantly, from a total return perspective, as you think about the IRR, we think this will generate high single digit, low double digit IRRs using pretty conservative exit assumptions. So we're really excited about having this part of our portfolio.

Michael Goldsmith
Michael Goldsmith
US REITs Analyst at UBS Group

Thank you very much. Good luck in the back half.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sameer Kanal with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Samir Khanal
Samir Khanal
Director - US REITs at Bank of America

Good morning, everybody. I guess my question is around the same store NOI growth in the second quarter, which was a very strong number. But can you elaborate the other revenue line there, which did pick up from a year ago? So what's kind of driving that? Thanks.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we did have an opportunity to renegotiate our parking agreement at Point Orlando, right next to the Orange County Convention Center. And the great part about that renegotiation is we went from being a lease to now having more of a management agreement with a provider. And that allows us to capture the upsides and driving additional traffic to that center with the recent redevelopment we did there. And with that, we get to participate a lot more on the upside of the revenue as well. So that's probably about a half of that.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

And then as we've consistently done over the years, we look for opportunities in there being vacant space to capitalize on that vacancy. And with our ancillary team been able to backfill some of that vacant space and drive additional revenue during this period.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yes. Go ahead, Brian.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

I'm sorry. I would just add, I think this is just a great example from an operations perspective of how our team just takes advantage of driving revenue throughout the asset. And Steve mentioned parking, we have a great fee generation business, whether it's EV charging, solar, that's been a growth initiative for us. We've a great specialty leasing team that works with our regions to drive ancillary revenue. So it has been an area of focus.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

And as Steve mentioned, as it relates to that Point Garage deal that is going to be recurring for us. So, we're really pleased with what we saw there during the quarter.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yes. And let's not lose sight as well of the strong top line contribution of ABR of 3.8%. So what that really is showing you is the accelerating impact of that snow pipeline as we commence $15,000,000 quarterly and continue to keep that snow pipeline over $60,000,000 So it gives us a high degree of visibility to mirror not only into growth this year but even better growth in 'twenty six and 'twenty seven.

Samir Khanal
Samir Khanal
Director - US REITs at Bank of America

Got it. Thanks a lot, guys.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Our

Operator

next question comes from Greg McGinnis with Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Greg Mcginniss
Director at Scotiobank

Hey, good morning. Just looking at the bad debt expense, looks like you're tracking at the low end of your guidance range. Is there anything that is standing out as potential headwinds for the back half? Or is this just some conservatism on your part for maintaining that range?

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, I mean, think Brian hit on his comments. We continue to be really pleased with the underlying credit quality of the portfolio. Obviously, the first half of the year, there was a little bit more tenant disruption in some of that pre petition debt or bad debt is sitting within that amount. And then there is always the normal course seasonality to when we receive some of the real estate tax payments. But I think as you look to the back half of the year, we continue to be really impressed with the underlying tenant quality.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

And no real concerns there in the bad deadline item.

Greg Mcginniss
Director at Scotiobank

Okay, thank you. And then on the leasing demand, just curious how that's trended through the year, whether you've seen any sort of changes from the April tariff announcement through today, and the types of tenants that you're finding to backfill some of these anchor spaces and what you expect to be filling with.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, Gary, our last call we actually touched on what we were seeing kind of real time, because we thought it was prudent after the tariff announcement. And then we came out of ICSC very encouraged in terms of the tenor of those conversations. And what's been interesting over the last two months is it's played out those conversations have now turned into LOIs and leases and you can see that come through in the quarter more GLA than we've leased in the last two and a half years and Steve touched on the highest ABR we've ever had as a company. And despite all of that volume, we still have more in the pipeline today than we did a year ago. So we remain really encouraged.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Our team is focused on leasing up the remainder of the vacancy that we've taken back here over the last few months. And then I touched on a number of the categories earlier, but I would add kind of to Mark's point, we are seeing this trend accelerate of more elevated brands going to grocery anchored shopping centers. And it's not just at Alacer ta, right? We've seen it in Suburban Philadelphia, at Marco Island, in Florida, in Plano, Texas, most recently in Davis, California. And whether that's maybe lifestyle tenants that have been performing at grocery anchored centers or higher quality food and beverage that we continue to add to the portfolio, opening our first locations with Tate Bakery and Mendocino Farms and Urban Plate.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

So it's been fairly broad based and with all the work that our team's done across the portfolio, we're just attracting a better caliber of tenant today and it's something that we're really excited about.

Greg Mcginniss
Director at Scotiobank

All right. Thanks, Brian.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

You got it. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Craig Mailman with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Craig Mailman
Craig Mailman
Director & Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Hey, good morning. Just want to focus a little bit here on the cadence of earnings. I think you guys are run rating to at least hit the midpoint of guidance for the back half of the year. Could you just talk about some of the puts and takes as we think about kind of the first half run rate into the second half? And then just maybe give some additional color on the contribution of La Centerra and maybe how you guys think about financing that kind of more permanently with dispositions or other financing sources?

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, Craig. If you just look at the first half of the year, we were really pleased on how we performed. Obviously, lease settlement income was a little higher than our historical run rate there. And I think that should probably decelerate into the back half of the year, all things being equal. And then obviously, is some seasonality to just how we collect certain amounts of revenue, whether it be the percent rent line items.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

But I think importantly, you should expect is the acceleration of same property NOI growth into the back half of the year as we continue to commence rent from the snow pipeline. On La Centerra, as we've typically done, we've really finance that with a combination of capital recycling and free cash flow on a leverage neutral basis.

Craig Mailman
Craig Mailman
Director & Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

What should we think about on the net spread on that investment from a GAAP perspective?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

I would consider it basically neutral at the start and with a position to be able to accrete that pretty quickly as we capitalize on the below market rents.

Executive

The other thing I would add, Craig, when we think about our capital recycling, we always try to take advantage of the opportunities in our portfolio to lower our marginal cost of capital like we did in the past quarter where we sold the ground lease at a low cap rate, then a land parcel at about two cap, which really drove the cap rate for that cap recycling in Q2 down into the five. So we're always going to be focused on trying to find those pieces of the portfolio where we can exit low hold and low yield capital.

Craig Mailman
Craig Mailman
Director & Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Great, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Griffin with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Griffin
Director at Evercore

Great, thanks. Appreciate commentary so far. Just wondering if you could give us a sense, in your conversation with retailers, obviously, we've seen some trade deals come to fruition recently, but has there been kind of this understanding of, hey, we're still burning off the inventory that we brought in sort of pre tariff announcements? Have they thought, oh, we're going to absorb some of this tariff cost versus pass it on to the consumer? I just want to get a sense as we look to the back half of the year, could we see some pressure on retailer margins as it seems like this tariff scenario of 15%, whatever you want to call it, starts to really materialize?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yes. Let me start the answer here. One of the things that we've been really encouraged by with the retailers is their commitment to the store as the most profitable channel to reach the customers. And they're really making a long term decision by entering into a ten or fifteen year lease. And their commitment to the store has been phenomenal as you can see in our results.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

So the tariff noise really has done little to abate that demand and we're encouraged as Brian was talking about not only by the breadth of demand we're seeing, but by the types of quality tenants we're bringing into the portfolio, the vibrancy, and frankly the traffic they bring, which is very clear in our results.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, and I would just add, I mean, the commentary that you heard from national retailers after the first quarter calls was really constructive in terms of how they're navigating tariffs, whether that's through negotiation with suppliers or alternative methods of sourcing. And also the commentary around how the consumer has remained resilient. We still have a strong job market. We're still seeing positive traffic trends across the portfolio.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

And to Jim's point, that really ties with what we're hearing from the real estate departments as well in terms of their focus on growth. And the tenants that we're growing with are performing. And then the last thing I'd mention, you saw it again last week, another very active auction where retailers are bidding for space, where there's no downtime, all their own cost, that kind of gives you a window into that demand environment, into how tight the supply environment is as well. So, so far it's been really constructive. We're keeping a very close eye on it.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Could there be some impacts down the line? Sure. But from what we're seeing to date, we're very encouraged.

Michael Griffin
Director at Evercore

Great. Thanks so much.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark
VP - Equity Research at Wells Fargo

Hi, thank you for taking the question. Following the acquisition in Q3, could you talk about how the current acquisition pipeline looks moving forward? Wondering if there's an appetite for more transaction activity in the back half of the year? And also what type of buyers you're competing with on deals you're currently underwriting?

Executive

Yes. I'd say, starting with your last point, broadly in open air, competition is clearly heating up. There's clearly more private capital, which includes high net worth and pension coming in and seeking exposure to the asset class. And that's clearly compressing cap rate for grocery anchored deals and really following through in some other asset types. So when we think about the market, we're going to continue to focus on opportunities in our footprint where we see high growth opportunities.

Executive

And we really think that our team on the ground helps us identify those quickly to focus on them like a loss in Terra and pass on other ones where we don't see that growth. So we'll work you should expect us as Steve kind of mentioned to be balanced in capital recycling, but also disciplined where we're not buying to buy, we're buying assets where we think we can really drive value.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Hey, good morning. Good morning down there. So my one question is on the S and O, the aggregate of the S and O that's coming online with the 200 basis points of drag that you entered the year, meaning the known move outs that you started the year with and the known bankruptcies and your pace of leasing and getting this $40,000,000 of S and O open this year. Stacy, I'm not asking for $26 guidance, but still when you hear your commentary and all these good things happening, why should we not think the back half of next year is going to show a really strong ramp? I'm trying to understand what are the offsets that we should think about that would sort of limit the upside benefit of all this stuff that you're talking about.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Mean, interest rates will come down, not up. So I'm just trying to understand what contains next year from showing sharp acceleration in the back half.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Well, we're not prepared to give guidance at this point. But what we are really encouraged by, Alex, is how we've positioned ourselves to outperform from a growth perspective, given the stacking of that rent pipeline. And it's not only what we have in the signed but not commenced, but also what we have in legal. It gives us a lot of confidence that the strategy continues to work. It's an all weather strategy that provides visibility on growth.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

And of course the deducts from that growth as we look out will be any additional tenant disruption. But we like how the portfolio is positioned from a credit standpoint. We like how we're continuing to generate great demand to be in our assets at compelling rents.

Operator

Our next question comes from Juan Sanabria with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Juan Sanabria
Juan Sanabria
Managing Director at BMO Capital Markets

Hi, good morning. Thanks for the time. You talked a little bit in the prepared remarks about opportunities on the CAM side to get more favorable setups in the leases. Just curious on how we should think about that impacting margins on a go forward basis, kind of all else equal.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, again, it's been something that we've been focused on really throughout the lease. And whether it is incremental rent growth that we're getting, whether it is flexibility in terms of development, or to your point, removing cam caps, removing carve outs and strategically deploying fixed cam, I think you can see it come through today in the recovery rate that's ahead of where build occupancy sits. And so we expect to see further improvement there in margin as we continue to focus on these areas. It's not really a new phenomenon. It's something that our team has been doing and has been successful with for some time.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

And you can really see that coming through in the results. So we're pleased with the tenor of the lease conversation and something we're going to continue to be focused on.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yes, I would just add, it shows our disciplined approach to operations and we continue to find opportunities to harvest growth in this great portfolio.

Operator

Our next question comes from Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Haendel St. Juste
Haendel St. Juste
MD & Senior REIT Analyst at Mizuho Financial Group

Hey there. Good morning. So I guess my question somewhat dovetails on the last comment you made Jim about finding these great opportunities in the portfolio. You guys have done lots of great things lately, strong stats, some all time highs in ABR, small shop spreads and it looks as though you have some pretty sustainable tailwinds into next year with a lower occupancy and lower rents, but your multiple still sits well below the peer set. So I guess I'm curious why you think that is and what you guys are focused on to drive down that gap versus your peers in trade closer to the peer set or maybe even a premium at some point? Thanks.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Well, we would agree very much that our multiple doesn't reflect appropriately the upside in growth that we're going to continue to deliver. And our plan on this side is to continue to deliver that growth and outperform and chip away at that relative multiple. I think it presents frankly the investor a compelling opportunity from a total return standpoint that we have a business plan that's not predicated upon external growth, pricing of our currency, but much more predicated on the continued ability to fund accretive growth through internally generated cash flow. That's why I often say it's an all weather business plan and I'm proud of the fact that we're delivering growth where we are despite the tenant disruption that we have. I'm also excited about what continues to happen to the composition of this portfolio as we execute our value added strategy and really drive and create value.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

So we're confident in our ability to continue to deliver and I think as we do, we'll continue to eclipse that multiple differential.

Operator

Our next question comes from Caitlin Burrows with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Caitlin Burrows
Caitlin Burrows
Vice President at Goldman Sachs

Hi, good morning everyone. So it sounds like leasing and pricing remain really encouraging. I was wondering if you could go through how the year so far is turning out versus your expectations. Any additional color you can give on how you set guidance? Like is it do you think of it as being conservative versus realistic?

Caitlin Burrows
Caitlin Burrows
Vice President at Goldman Sachs

And what's making the previous high end of same store NOI growth no longer attainable?

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, thanks Caitlin. I think we continue to be really impressed by the underlying portfolio. I think you hit on a lot of the leasing items that Brian went through earlier. As you remember, just when we started the year, the midpoint of our expectation for tenant disruption was 200 basis points of drag, right? As I mentioned in my comments, with some of the more recent activity with At Home and Rite Aid that has moved up a little bit.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

But I think importantly, our ability to drive additional growth from the portfolio and move our midpoint up from our initial midpoint of 4% just shows you that the growth in the portfolio and our ability to continue to drive through disruption. I think we've consistently said over the last year or two, to the extent we get additional spaces back as a result of tenant disruption, while that may impact short term growth, ultimately it's just going to provide us additional space to grow into '26 and '27.

Caitlin Burrows
Caitlin Burrows
Vice President at Goldman Sachs

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Floris Van Dykem with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Good morning, Floris.

Floris van Dijkum
MD & Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc

Hey, Jim, how are you?

Floris van Dijkum
MD & Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc

So, my question for you guys is regarding SHOP occupancy. Again, your most valuable space presumably in all your centers. It's, I think, at an all time high right now of 91.2, but my question is, and I think this sort of was alluded to in one of the previous questions, where can it go to? And maybe if you can talk about what your SHOP occupancy is on all the assets that you've actually redeveloped, presumably that's higher. And then the second question, or the related question is, what percentage of your S and O pipeline represents SHOP space?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Let me take the top of that question, I'll let Steve add additional color. But one of the things we're particularly encouraged about is not only that we've reached a record in terms of small shop occupancy, but we've got great visibility and more than a couple 100 basis points of growth in that number, particularly as we deliver our in process redevelopments, which can drag that as we bring in the new anchors and then obviously lease off the success of the anchors and the traffic that's being brought in. So it's an important lever for our growth as we look ahead and we're very excited as Brian was talking about, in terms of the types of best in class tenants that are traffic drivers themselves that we're bringing in the small shop category.

Steven Gallagher
Steven Gallagher
Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, on the snow, it's about $35,000,000 worth of ABR. And I think importantly, at about a mid-30s ABR per square foot. So as you mentioned impressive numbers in there.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

And tremendous opportunity and visibility on being able to continue to accrete that occupancy percentage. As we often say, we don't manage the portfolio for occupancy but rather for growth, which is part of why our in process redevelopment pipeline drags that number a bit. But in my mind, it just provides us tremendous visibility on how we'll continue to grow it.

Floris van Dijkum
MD & Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc

And if I were to, the first part of my question, which is the occupancy in SHOP space on the assets that are redeveloped and stabilized, how much higher is that than your average today in your portfolio?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

We have about 100 basis points of drag today in that future reinvestment pipeline that's dragging that down for us. And we typically add several 100 basis points when we deliver those reinvestments.

Floris van Dijkum
MD & Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc

Great, thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ki Bin Kim with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Ki Bin Kim
Ki Bin Kim
MD - US REIT Equity Research at Truist

Thank you, good morning. Can you guys provide a progress update on the releasing efforts on the Big Lots and Jo Anne's activity?

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Yes, sure Ki Bin. Like I said earlier, we've been very pleased with what we're seeing. We're about 80% resolved for us that's leased at lease or we're finishing up an LOI to go to lease. And particularly on those Joanne and Party Cities, which we've really just taken back recently, we've been very pleased with the progress. So whether that's with specialty grocers like Trader Joe's, operators like Ulta, Crunch Fitness, Barnes and Noble, the team has been very active in terms of addressing this space.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

And we weren't waiting for it, right. We had a sense that this was coming like when we talked about at the time, we had reduced our exposure to Big Lots by 30% at the time of the filing. We had two of the spaces already leased of our Joann's and had been managing down some of that Party City exposure over time as well. So we remain very encouraged with how our team is backfilling it. We're not resting on our laurels.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

We're focused on getting the rest of that space leased. And you should really start we're starting some of that's starting to come online here in the back half of this year, but you start to see it come online in bulk as we get into 2026.

Ki Bin Kim
Ki Bin Kim
MD - US REIT Equity Research at Truist

And just broadly speaking, when you think about the potential basket of other retailers that might be a little bit challenged, whether that be like a Michaels, Kohl's or some pet stores, when you look at that collective basket of troubled retailers versus what you've already gone through this past year, does it feel better, worse or the same going forward?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

It actually feels much better and that's a point Steve was really trying to underscore in his remarks, is the fact that we've worked our way through some of the more significant weaker credits in an environment that's been strong from a leasing perspective and importantly with the business plan that's been able to deliver growth as we have been dealing with that tenant disruption. We continue to prove that it's an opportunity and we're proud of the fact again that we're growing better than 4% despite over two thirty basis points of drag. So as we look forward, will there be additional tenant disruption? Of course. But we like how the portfolio is positioned to outperform. Thank you. You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Mueller with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Mueller
Michael Mueller
Equity Analyst at JP Morgan

Yeah, hi. Know Los Centerra is a grocery anchored center with the Trader Joe's. But if Trader Joe's wasn't there, would you have had the same interest in the property? And do you think pricing would have been materially different if so?

Executive

Look, it's a great question. We do like to buy assets that have grocery exposure to highlight some of the trends Brian is focusing on. So when it comes down to an asset, I think it would be the question would have been more of could we put a grocer here and do it accretively? Could that grocer then change the overall aspect of the tenancy here? Luckily, Los Antero, we have an easier path for us leasing and mark to market.

Executive

But when we really look at acquisitions, it's really trying to find those opportunities where we can truly drive value, not necessarily just about having a grocer's ability to drive value from the date of acquisition.

Michael Mueller
Michael Mueller
Equity Analyst at JP Morgan

Got it. Okay, thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Linda Tsai with Jefferies Group. Please proceed with your question.

Linda Tsai
Linda Tsai
Senior Analyst at Jefferies

Hi, good morning. On the La Centerra acquisition, a two parter on your strategy with 5,000,000 visits a year, how much higher is the annual traffic statistics in the HHI demos versus the rest of the Brixmor portfolio? And then just in terms of buying master plan community, are there any nuances to think about why these assets would be more attractive relative to a center that is not in the master plan community?

Executive

Well, I can start with the second piece of this asset. Considered the heart of Cinco Ranch. So we really there's a real lack of competition here and it's really been designed to drive interest across the entire community. So we like the position of this asset and that there isn't true competition within the trade area. From a demos perspective, what I would say is our primary investment philosophy is really finding value added assets where we can drive value.

Executive

While this one does have very attractive demos, I think the average household income is about $151,000 I think our current today is 120,000 So it's accretive to those demographics. So we didn't buy it for the demographics, we bought it for the ability to drive value here.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

And we had tremendous visibility as Brian gave some color on in terms of great tenants who we knew wanted to be there.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Yes, I mean, somebody mentioned earlier, sprinkling the bricks more magic, our team has already been doing that and is very excited. We've got a great team in Houston. As we've talked about throughout this call, we've got a great portfolio in Houston. We've already had leases that are brought into committee that are ahead of where we expected to be some great uses.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

And we had some of the folks that were there on the asset join the team as well, that to Mark's point, are very tied in with the community there and are helping us from an operating perspective. So it does fit into what we do from a growth perspective. These are tenants that we have been attracting to the portfolio, like I mentioned, Sephora and others, some great food and beverage operators there. And just overall, we're really excited about it and really proud of how our team's gotten after it out of the gate.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

With great existing traffic as you highlight, but we think the pro form a traffic as we bring in these better tenants to replace some of the first generation lifestyle tenants here at rents that can be as much as double as what's in place, we'll continue to drive that traffic and continue to drive the performance here.

Linda Tsai
Linda Tsai
Senior Analyst at Jefferies

Great. Thanks for the color.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from Paulina Rojas with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question.

Paulina Rojas-Schmidt
Senior Analyst, Retail at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Good morning. And a follow-up to a prior question. You mentioned that cap rates for grocery anchored centers are compressing. Can you clarify the timing around that comment? Specifically, have you seen pricing continue to become more competitive at the margin over the last two or three months?

Paulina Rojas-Schmidt
Senior Analyst, Retail at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Or were you really referring to a broader trend over a longer period?

Executive

Sure. It's a great question. So certainly year over year, we're seeing cap rate compression. And if we really look at over the last quarter, so you think about the deals that were really launched here in the spring, we're seeing very high demand for grocery anchored centers from pension or other private capital. So we're seeing

Ki Bin Kim
Ki Bin Kim
MD - US REIT Equity Research at Truist

it real time in the

Executive

last three to four months is how I would answer your question.

Paulina Rojas-Schmidt
Senior Analyst, Retail at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Yes, it does.

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark
VP - Equity Research at Wells Fargo

Great.

Operator

Our next question comes from Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark
VP - Equity Research at Wells Fargo

Great. Thank you for taking the follow-up. The incremental NOI yield from the redev pipeline and process has remained strong As you talk about the future redevelopment projects you spoke to earlier on the call, could you walk through some of the puts and takes as we think about a strong leasing environment coupled with some continued uncertainty from tariffs? Wondering if we could see yields move north of 10% moving forward if the current leasing environment remains steady?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

I think you highlighted a couple of the drivers. Obviously, you've got demand and that's robust and we continue to surprise even ourselves in terms of the rents that we're able to achieve. On the other side of that, you could have costs and inflationary pressures impacting those returns. So as we look out, in particular, look opportunities that we've identified in the shadow pipeline, we're reasonably confident about our ability to continue to deliver that incremental return in the high single, low double digits, basically in line with what you've seen over the last couple of years.

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark
VP - Equity Research at Wells Fargo

Great, thank you.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

You bet.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Griffith with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Griffin
Director at Evercore

Great, thanks for taking the follow-up. Just a clarification question on the La Centerra property. I believe it's in a mixed use development with an office and resi component. Did you just buy the retail portion? Or did you also buy the office and resi as well?

Executive

Yes, it is in a mixed use environment. We do not own the multifamily. There is some smaller office component at the asset. It's been well leased basically forever. It's really the only Class A space in the market.

Executive

We do actually believe just like the retail, there is rent mark to market. There really isn't any occupancy upside today at that, but we do think there's good rent mark to market in the office given it's really the only Class A space in that trade area.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

And great creditworthy tenants that are in there today as well, which to Mark's point, we think there's some upside to.

Michael Griffin
Director at Evercore

Great, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Caitlin Burrows with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Caitlin Burrows
Caitlin Burrows
Vice President at Goldman Sachs

Hi, I feel like this has been talked about a few times, so sorry. But just on the watch list, it sounds like you've said a few times that it's smaller than it was historically. I was wondering if there was any way you could quantify, like today it's X amount of ABR, and last year over the X amount of years historically it was some other level?

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

Caitlin, I think it's important. We use the watch list as a tool, right?

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

We look at it not just with near term credit risk, but also with tenants that may be putting stores at risk, that have weaker performance, that are closing locations. So we don't necessarily have a number that we've reported on it, but I would just say if you look at the names that have filed recently, it's significantly lower than where it was. But I'd also point to look at the names we've grown with in the top 40, right. You think of how Whole Foods has come up in our portfolio, you think about Sprouts, Aldi, Chipotle, Bath and Body Works, there are some strong operators that we continue to grow with. Trader Joe's is another one.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

So I think that underlying credit portfolio, you can see it get stronger from that perspective as well. To Jim's point, look, there's always some tenants and categories that we're keeping a close eye on. But if you have a low rent basis like we do, and we can backfill accretively to the extent you get a box or two back, you're gonna do okay. So we feel really good about the position that we're in today. And as we talked about throughout the call on the other side of this, we're really improving that position that we're in today from a credit profile standpoint.

Linda Tsai
Linda Tsai
Senior Analyst at Jefferies

Thanks.

Brian Finnegan
Brian Finnegan
President & COO at Brixmor Property Group

You got it, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Polina Rojas with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question.

Paulina Rojas-Schmidt
Senior Analyst, Retail at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Hi. Again, a very specific follow-up outside of Los Altura. Could you please provide some numbers around it? Where is where are current in place rents? And what do you think the market rents are as a percentage, if easier?

Executive

Sure. So we do think that Lawson Terra is going to drive some pretty significant NOI growth. Base case underwriting has NOI growth that kind of averages in the 5% range over a ten year hold. A lot of that's driven by the lease up of the spaces that are currently vacant. Those leases are coming in kind of in the $60 to $90 per square foot range versus the in place NOI or the in place ABR, obviously the vacancies are zero.

Executive

The in place ABR of the asset today is in the low 30s.

Paulina Rojas-Schmidt
Senior Analyst, Retail at Green Street Advisors, LLC

And is the type of space comparable there in that mix that you're referencing?

Executive

Yeah, for sure. So a lot of that's the inline space in phase one where you see the big rent mark to market.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yes. And I think, Pauline, interestingly, the tenants that are performing that we want there, they're driving a ton of traffic, doing well. Those are the we're getting some percentage rent out of those stores. The other thing is some tenants where we may ultimately want to upgrade, those are the spaces that are significantly under market to Mark's point in that part of the asset. And we've been pleased with what we've been seeing just a few weeks out of the gate in terms of the activity there.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

So we do feel that there's a tremendous amount of upside and excited how our team is getting after it out of the gate.

Linda Tsai
Linda Tsai
Senior Analyst at Jefferies

Thank you.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Hey, thank you for the follow-up. Just going back to my question, as we look on Page 30 of the sup and you have 41,000,000 of S and O that's going to commence this year, 21,000,000 next year and presumably that will those numbers in the outer years will grow as you guys do more leasing. So far you haven't described anything that would say these aren't fully additive. And I guess that's what I'm trying to get at is, in shopping centers, we often get excited and then have to revise down numbers. And I'm just trying to understand if there are any negatives to us adding fully like the $41,000,000 this year, the $21,000,000 next year in addition to your normal course NOI growth?

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yes. I mean, I think there are a couple of things that you always consider. One is ongoing tenant disruption. The other is normal course move outs. But the important thing is that from a growth perspective, we're providing visibility as those rents stack, not just for this year, but as you point out into next year. And it's pretty compelling.

Alexander Goldfarb
Alexander Goldfarb
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

So what is normal course move outs, Jim, that we should be thinking about? Is it $10,000,000 $20,000,000 I'm just trying to get a sense.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

Yeah, Alex, I mean, that shifts in a given year relative to what the expiration profile looks like. Just pointing to a number of the positive normal course move outs have been down. But I shouldn't touch on, we're not giving guidance today. We do feel really confident in the trajectory of growth for this year and beyond. But there are some factors like from either a tenant disruption standpoint or some move outs that could impact that into next year.

Operator

Okay, thank you.

James M. Taylor
James M. Taylor
CEO & Director at Brixmor Property Group

You got it, thank you.

Operator

We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Stacy Slater for closing comments.

Stacy Slater
Stacy Slater
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Capital Markets at Brixmor Property Group

Thanks everyone. Enjoy the rest of your summer.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and we thank you for your participation.

Executives
    • Stacy Slater
      Stacy Slater
      Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Capital Markets
    • James M. Taylor
      James M. Taylor
      CEO & Director
    • Brian Finnegan
      Brian Finnegan
      President & COO
    • Steven Gallagher
      Steven Gallagher
      Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer
Analysts
    • Todd Thomas
      MD & Equity Research Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets
    • Michael Goldsmith
      US REITs Analyst at UBS Group
    • Executive
    • Samir Khanal
      Director - US REITs at Bank of America
    • Greg Mcginniss
      Director at Scotiobank
    • Craig Mailman
      Director & Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup
    • Michael Griffin
      Director at Evercore
    • Cooper Clark
      VP - Equity Research at Wells Fargo
    • Alexander Goldfarb
      MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies
    • Juan Sanabria
      Managing Director at BMO Capital Markets
    • Haendel St. Juste
      MD & Senior REIT Analyst at Mizuho Financial Group
    • Caitlin Burrows
      Vice President at Goldman Sachs
    • Floris van Dijkum
      MD & Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc
    • Ki Bin Kim
      MD - US REIT Equity Research at Truist
    • Michael Mueller
      Equity Analyst at JP Morgan
    • Linda Tsai
      Senior Analyst at Jefferies
    • Paulina Rojas-Schmidt
      Senior Analyst, Retail at Green Street Advisors, LLC