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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Albany International EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.57Consensus EPS $0.73Beat/MissMissed by -$0.16One Year Ago EPS$0.89Albany International Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$311.40 millionExpected Revenue$306.06 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.33 millionYoY Revenue Growth-6.20%Albany International Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date7/30/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, July 31, 2025Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Albany International Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 31, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Negative Sentiment: The company reported $311 million in Q2 revenue, down 6.2% YoY, with adjusted EPS of $0.57 versus $0.89 last year, reflecting timing and operational headwinds. Neutral Sentiment: Machine Clothing sales declined 6.5% (4% on a like-for-like basis) due to facility transfers, unplanned downtime and softer Asian demand, though backlog remains healthy for H2 recovery. Negative Sentiment: Engineered Composites incurred a $7.2 million EAC adjustment—mainly from higher overheads on the CH-53K ramp—pushing its EBITDA margin down to 8.5%. Positive Sentiment: Despite margin pressures, Engineered Composites achieved 14% sequential revenue growth and has capacity aligned to commercial (LEAP) and defense (advanced air mobility, hypersonics) programs for H2 momentum. Positive Sentiment: The company returned capital with a $50 million Q2 share repurchase and maintains $143 million of remaining buyback authorization, alongside its regular dividend. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallAlbany International Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Albany International Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. I am Frans, and I'll be the operator assisting you today. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. Operator00:00:31Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to J. C. Chetanani, Interim CFO and Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:00:48Thank you, Frans, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Albany International's second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. As a reminder for those listening on the call, please refer to our press release issued last night detailing our quarterly financial results. Contained in the text of the release is a notice regarding our forward looking statements and the use of certain non GAAP financial measures and their reconciliation to GAAP. For the purposes of this conference call, those same statements apply to our verbal remarks this morning. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:01:24Today, we will make statements that are forward looking and contain a number of risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied. For a full discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to both our earnings release on 07/30/2025, as well as our SEC filings, including our second quarter Form 10 Q and our 2024 Form 10 ks. Now I will turn the call over to Gunnar Cleavent, our President and CEO, who will provide opening remarks. Gunnar? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:01:58Good morning, and thank you for joining us as we review our second quarter twenty twenty five results. Overall, I'm encouraged with our progress this year, a year that we have said would be a transition year. Our business segment leaders are performing well as they restructure, invest and strengthen their operations, all while remaining agile in addressing near term challenges. Our second quarter financial results lagged our expectations, but as I'll cover, the performance was largely impacted by certain timing and operational issues, and we're confident in our recovery. We continue to monitor the tariff situation and secondary effects that could impact regional market dynamics or customer behaviors. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:02:43To date, we've not realized any direct material headwinds. Our mostly regional setup for both suppliers and customers largely insulate our operations from direct impact of tariffs. Also, while we were cautious about the tariff impact in our outlook, we now expect global growth to continue as the tariff environments get more predictable. Increasing activity in the defense sector, particularly hypersonics and new programs, is expected to result in accelerated growth at AEC in addition to our growth in commercial aerospace over the next several years. In Machine Clothing, despite some second quarter timing and market headwinds, the business delivered expected returns on the lower volume and showed growth from the first quarter. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:03:36We've commenced two additional facility closures in the quarter, as we remain focused on optimizing our global production footprint to best serve our customers. AEC delivered strong sequential quarter growth and continues to accelerate its disciplined long term operational strategy. We're investing in operational excellence to transform how we execute our current portfolio of programs, allowing us to grow profitably with our continuing new business wins. We're making good progress driving process improvements across all of our sites and with emphasis on our CH-fifty three ks program. At our last visit to Salt Lake City, it was encouraging to see planning and supply chain aligned with the rapid growth of this program. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:04:22The EAC adjustment in the quarter reflects our investment in program ramp readiness that we will cover in more detail later. For the quarter, we reported revenues of $311,000,000 adjusted EBITDA margin of 16.7% and an adjusted diluted EPS of $0.57 We returned capital to our shareholders through both a regular quarterly dividend and share repurchase program. In the first half of the year, we repurchased $119,000,000 worth of shares, including $50,000,000 in the second quarter. We currently have $143,000,000 of capacity remaining under our latest share repurchase authorization. Turning to our individual businesses. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:05:05For the quarter, Machine Clothing reported revenues of $181,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin of 28.8. As a reminder, comparisons to prior year are impacted by certain intentional and strategic business exits of approximately $5,000,000 per quarter. In terms of grades, while longer term secular trends in packaging remained strong, the effect of customer consolidations in North America created the delivery headwind in second quarter compared to the prior year. Tissue remains a bright spot globally with expected new machine investments, while pulp and engineered fabrics remained stable. North America had a slight decline in deliveries in the second quarter, mainly due to packaging machine production curtailments. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:05:52We're working closely with our customers to solidify our positions where consolidations have impacted their capacity. Overall, Europe continues to show solid signs of recovery with good deliveries and orders, offsetting weakening conditions in Asia. In particular, in China, we're seeing softer demand and continue to await machine restarts from the legacy Heimbach customer that we discussed in the prior quarter. Overall, we continue to follow a disciplined sales approach to mitigate these market dynamics. Our global MC order backlog remains healthy and gives us confidence for a stronger second half of the year. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:06:32Operationally, we initiated the process to shut two additional facilities in While we are executing to plan the transfer of production and equipment across facilities, thus challenge how quickly we can ramp up at the new location. In the second quarter, the performance at our Durran facility lagged as it took on new production, resulting in some temporary sales and profit shortfalls. During the second quarter, we also experienced temporary operational disruption in one of our U. S. Facilities due to unplanned equipment downtime, which led to delayed shipments in the quarter. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:07:08Turning to Engineered Composites segment, revenues for the quarter were $130,000,000 with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 8.5%. Revenue grew sequentially by 14% from the first quarter, reflecting continued ramping on our key programs. But profitability remains lower than our expectation as we continued our investment in disciplined operational improvements. We recorded a total EAC adjustment of $7,200,000 for the quarter. The EAC is mainly driven by continued investment in our labor force, which led to higher than projected overhead rates. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:07:43We're seeing the progress from our investment in frontline leader coaching and operator training through improved output and reduced scrap and rework. Our planning and supply chain improvements are evident in material being available for assembly needs on the CH-fifty three ks program. On LEAP, we're at the contractual inventory levels and well aligned to meet Safran's production schedule as Boeing and Airbus single aisle delivery rates continue to recover. We have ample capacity to meet any upside to the demand and now expect growth in the second half. The emerging advanced air mobility market remains attractive for our business, with continued sequential quarter growth and expected strong demand through the course of 2025 with our key customer beta. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:08:32Advanced air mobility will be a significant source of growth for AEC. As previously highlighted, our new long term agreement on the Bell five twenty five program is an attractive new win, where we are already delivering to customer expectations. We have invested in additional equipment in preparation for the JASON program growth, where we also deliver at 100% on time. Having achieved critical milestone at our dedicated facility, we're seeing momentum with customers in hypersonic parts development. We continue to invest in our capabilities and remain very positive in the medium and long term attractiveness of this segment. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:09:16Also, as I highlighted in our last quarter earnings release, our application development team continues to evaluate where AEC's differentiated three d woven technology in composite parts can be superior alternative to titanium with stronger relative strength to weight benefits. This was highlighted at the Paris Air Show, where our display showed examples of parts that we are currently supplying or in the process of developing for various customers. The response at the show was positive with customers and others seeing our keen focus on the technology that grew out of our weaving expertise and this technology's growing strategic uses and value. As we presented in last quarter's call, our solution can be delivered at a fraction of the titanium lead time with domestic materials and a production capacity proven to deliver 100% on time, which is in stark contrast to the challenges in the titanium supply. We successfully completed our S4HANA upgrade across the entire company in May. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:10:19This investment improves our systems and operational efficiencies and will deliver enhanced analytics to improve our business agility. Finally, I'm excited to announce that Will Station has accepted the role of CFO at Albany International. Will comes to us from McKesson Medical Surgical, where he was Senior Vice President of Primary Care Sales, leading a team of more than 1,200 account executives. Prior to that, he was the subsidiary's Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President of Finance. Will's career also includes sixteen years at the Boeing Company from 2005 until 2021, where he held a number of increasingly senior finance roles, notably Vice President and Chief Financial Officer for the Commercial Derivatives Airplanes from 2014 to 2021, and Director of Financial Operations for Boeing Commercial Airplanes from 2011 to 2014. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:11:14He's a great addition to the team and complements the leadership team with large OEM experience as well as his commercial finance and business expertise. I also want to take this opportunity to thank JC for stepping up to take on the role as interim CFO and making the transition seamless. JC will continue to support the transition as will onboard. And with that, I'll now hand it over to JC to provide more detail on the quarter. JC? JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:11:42Thank you, Ganar. I will review our second quarter results and then discuss our outlook for the balance of 2025. Consolidated net sales were $311,000,000 down 6.2% from $332,000,000 in the second quarter of last year. Machine Clothing net sales were $181,000,000 a decrease of 6.5% versus the second quarter of last year. After adjusting for the effects of planned strategic business exits, the decrease is approximately 4%. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:12:12This is mainly driven by lower volumes in the quarter from unplanned equipment downtime in a US facility, a lag in ramping transfer production as part of our footprint rationalization and softness in Asia, especially China. The majority of the current quarter production shortfall is expected to recover in the second half. AEC net sales of $130,000,000 went over by 5.7% versus the 2024, primarily due to the unfavorable cumulative catch up impacts from the EAC adjustments, offset by growth in our new programs. Consolidated gross profit was $98,000,000 or 31.3% of sales, down from $112,000,000 in the prior year, or 33.9% of sales. Machine Clothing gross profit of $84,000,000 decreased from $89,000,000 in the prior year, while gross margin improved by 40 basis points to 46.3%. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:13:13Overall, this performance reflects improved operating efficiencies. AEC gross profit of $14,000,000 decreased from $24,000,000 largely reflecting the impact of the cumulative EAC adjustment for the quarter. Of the $7,200,000 of EAC charges for the quarter, 8,100,000.0 was related to the CS50K program, partially offset by a positive $1,600,000 Gulfstream reserve adjustment with a balance spread across other programs. Net R and D expenses at 4% in the second quarter is higher versus the prior year, reflecting our emphasis in material science and new business ventures. Consolidated SG and A expenses were $59,000,000 for the quarter, up versus $56,000,000 in the prior year due to weakening of the U. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:13:59S. Dollar and higher professional fees, partially offset by lower personnel related costs. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 31.3% versus 27.9% in the prior year. The higher rate is mainly due to favorable discrete tax adjustments in the prior year, resulting from the release of uncertain tax positions. GAAP net income attributable to the company for the quarter was $9,200,000 compared to $24,600,000 last year, while GAAP diluted EPS was $0.31 per share in this quarter was $0.39 in the same period last year. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:14:36After adjustments primarily related to foreign currency revaluation and net restructuring costs as detailed in our non GAAP reconciliation, the adjusted diluted EPS was $0.57 versus $0.89 in the same period last year. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $52,000,000 for the quarter versus $63,000,000 in the prior year period, while for Machine Clothing adjusted EBITDA was $52,000,000 versus $59,000,000 in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margin decreased to 28.9% versus 30.4% in the prior year, driven primarily by the margin impact from lower shipments due to slower than expected ramp of transfer production, unplanned equipment downtime and softness in Asia. AEC adjusted EBITDA was $11,000,000 as compared to $20,000,000 in the prior year period. Margin at AEC was 8.5% of sales versus 14.3% in the prior year, primarily reflecting the current period ASC cumulative catch up adjustments. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:15:33Moving to free cash flow. Free cash flow was improved sequentially and was positive $18,000,000 in the second quarter versus a negative $14,000,000 in the first quarter. For the 2025, total free cash flow of $4,000,000 is down versus the prior year of $46,000,000 This was partially driven by investment in working capital as we ramp up new programs in 2025. And our balance sheet remains strong with a cash balance of $107,000,000 and $355,000,000 of borrowing capacity under our current committed credit facility. In terms of full year guidance, we expect the second half to be stronger than the first half. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:16:10We project continued ramping programs at AEC, recovery in shipments at MC, as well as bottom line improvement from continued operational efficiencies across both businesses. Accordingly, we are reaffirming our full year guide. Now I'd like to open the call over for questions. Operator00:16:37Please press star one on your telephone keypad and to join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question as well, simply press 1 again. If you called upon to ask your question and are listening via loudspeaker on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. And your first question comes from the line of Peter Arment from Baird. Please go ahead. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:17:07Yes, good morning Gunnar and JC, and welcome, Will. Gunnar, can you talk about where you are in terms of like overall build rates in aerospace, maybe not calling out specifically, but just in general, where you are matching up with the OE rates and the planned production? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:17:26Yeah, I think we're getting as Boeing is ramping up and destocking as they have been bringing material in, we're seeing our ramp up slowly occurring both on the Boeing and then as I mentioned on the LEAP program, we have seen we have reached our contractual level of inventory and we're building to match how Safran is pulling from that inventory. So I would say overall, there is a momentum towards the prior level of production. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:18:12And is there anything we should be thinking about for the second half that could either put you at the low end or the high end of the range of the revenue range? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:18:21Yes. I think what you need to look at, if you see Machine Clothing, the Heimbach synergies are driving a lot of this together with recapturing the lost revenue from the machine down as well as the transition. At AEC, the increase in commercial programs is a major factor to growth and profitability, as well as the higher return programs coming back at AEC. Now, there's the improved performance is part of our guide. We expect our performance in the second half to be better. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:19:12Three ks, can you just maybe just kind of the latest adjustments that you've made? It seems like obviously some of this was all strategically planned for to support your move into low rate production. But maybe just give us your latest thoughts on that program. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:19:31Peter, I missed the program. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:19:33The CH-fifty three ks, sorry. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:19:35Okay, CH-fifty three, yes. So the ramp up there, we're taking a very controlled approach to how we're ramping that up. Like I've said, the investment in that program, both in how we lead our team and how we train our team, I wouldn't say that it's taking longer, but we're putting a lot of effort into it as the program grows. We are continuing to grow each of the monuments if you want, the biggest one being the aft, which is the latest transition that we had, but I can tell you that I was there. I saw all of our jigs in at the facility, and we have parts in all of the jigs, which gives me the confidence that we're building and working towards that two per month rate, that we're going to be at towards the end of this year. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:20:51I appreciate the color. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks. Operator00:20:58And before we proceed to the next question, we ask that you please limit your question to one question and one follow-up only. And after that, you can just simply join the queue again. Thank you. And your next question comes from Steve Tusa from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:21:18Hi. This is Chiyusa Kotoko on for Steve. Thanks for taking my question. So firstly, just digging in a little bit more into the AAC margins. So I think in your most recent updates, sounded like things were turning the corner here. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:21:34And things are improving on Boeing II versus a couple of quarters ago. So I just was wondering if you could provide some additional color on what happened here that you may you kinda need to make additional investments in the labor. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:21:47Yes. Good morning, Chigusa. The AEC is performing very well across all of the programs. Our challenge has remained at the CH-fifty three ks program, primarily because it's a very different program from all of the other parts that we provide at AEC. So the focus has been there. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:22:18It has taken us longer to do the ramp, and it has taken more resources, and as we looked at the performance in the second half, we realized that we had underestimated our overhead charges there. And I think also what is important to remember is that this is a ten year program, so when you do a small adjustment in the overhead rate, it has a very large impact to the EACs. So we are investing in this program, we're seeing the result of the investment in the program. More importantly, the investment in both our planning and supply chain now has us filling up our tool jigs with parts, giving our teams the ability to perform, which has been an issue, right? If you don't have the parts, it's hard to show your performance. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:23:26With all the parts available, you have a chance to show how you can perform, and that is the turning the corner, as you say, we're seeing coming into the third quarter. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:23:40Okay, great, thanks. And then as a follow-up, so you reaffirmed your full year guidance, which implies that it's maybe like a 30% over half ramp in EBITDA. So if you can kind of just dig in a little bit deeper into what kind of what you expect will ramp in the second half that gives you confidence to reiterate the guidance? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:24:02Yes. It's fair because we see not only better returns, but we also see higher sales in the third and fourth quarter, which is what's giving us the confidence to say that we'll keep the guide. Heimbach synergies, again, is a big part. They're becoming cumulative, as well as some of the timing at MC. For AEC, it's really the growth that we're seeing both on the commercial side and the defense with CH-fifty two ks and performance there. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:24:39That gives us the confidence to say we're holding the guide. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:24:44Okay, thank you. Operator00:24:49And your next question comes from Michael Ciarmoli from Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:24:57Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Just to stay on that topic of the guidance. I mean, a couple of challenges here. I mean, what were the drivers in or the decision making in not lowering the guidance? Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:25:12And then even the bridge for AEC, I mean, that second half range implies that revenues could be down 11% versus first half What are the swing factors that are going to take you to the high end and the low end of those guidance ranges? Mean, it just seems like a pretty wide range, especially in the context of the recent performance. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:25:37And good morning, Michael. I'm not addressing the range itself, but it's really about getting the performance on the program to the level that we believe that the program has, which is, it's the EACs that is driving the low performance, right? So if we can perform at the level that we believe we have the ability to do now with parts at hand and with the team trained and continued ramp is where we see the high end of the range. The low end of the range obviously is we're not able to achieve that. So for AEC, it is really around the CH-fifty three ks program. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:26:37But the reason why we held it is because we have confidence that the team has come to a point where we will see the results of all of this impact. We see it gradually, right? We see it with less quality issues, we see it with less hours being spent on each operation, and so the progress is there. Okay, anything And in the short term. Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:27:09Okay, I mean, anything else ramping up, I mean, your pipeline, maybe other programs that you've secured, do you have to relook at other contracts and other assumptions across other defense programs? I mean, how do we get comfortable with the AEC profile on a go forward basis? What's potentially in that pipeline that we don't really know yet? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:27:37There's both existing and new programs that are ramping up in the second half. And we've not talked that much about it, Bell obviously is a part of that. The lead program is growing, and we have kept that flat for the year, and at this point we're saying that it's growing, as we are matching what Safran is building. The JASSM, LARASSM program continues to grow. When I was in Salt Lake recently, we've invested quite significantly in that program and continue to deliver on time, so that is a growth for the back half as well. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:28:33I would say Joint Strike Fighter, I would keep flat for now, and we're watching where Lockheed Martin is going on that. And then the engine programs at our Boerne facility and our Carrethro facility, as both Airbus and Boeing are ramping up, there is an increase in orders to us. So the second half does have growth in it. Across both commercial and military programs. Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:29:11Okay. Thanks, I'll jump back in the queue. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:29:14Okay. Operator00:29:17Before we proceed to the next question, And your next question comes from Alex Preston from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Alexander PrestonEquity Research Associate - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:29:31Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. Good morning. So I wanted to touch on the three d woven composite parts and the replacing titanium. You mentioned you got a good reception in Paris. Alexander PrestonEquity Research Associate - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:29:45Maybe if you could just go a little deeper and sort of where that program stands, maybe how long do you expect until certification might be in play, a go to market strategy, maybe just a little more detail on that would be really helpful. Thank you. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:30:01Yeah, you will see more information about this for each quarter as we expand our target opportunity there. But I think a good example here is at the Paris Air Show, if you went to the Safran display, they had the landing gear of a A350 there, and they had a brake brace, It takes four per landing gear, and they had two of ours and two in titanium on that display. And clearly, it's a perfect example of how we are replacing a part that is titanium today that can be replaced with a three d woven part at a lower weight. That is a great example, we were excited that both Airbus and Safran were aligned there with us, and we're developing that. Certification is in the next eighteen months or so, I would say. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:31:19So some of these commercial programs or military programs, when we are actually replacing current titanium, will take some time, so our focus has been around the new programs. Beta is a great example, we use three d woven technology to help them design their lift plate, we had that in Paris as well. And then we were meeting with the developer of the new aircraft, military aircraft, to show where we can replace titanium on new development programs. And then of course, we're using the three d woven technology in our hypersonic development, which would replace not titanium, but use our technology to get a near net shape rather than the current box type that has to be machined. So three d woven is our focus. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:32:31We're going to put a lot of effort on it, over the next several years. I think we'll have opportunity to replace titanium on current programs, we'll have a big place in new programs. Alexander PrestonEquity Research Associate - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:32:48Got it, thank you very much. Sure. Operator00:32:55No further questions at this time. And now I would like to turn the call back over to Gunnar Cleveland for closing remarks. Please go ahead. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:33:09Thank you, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call today. We appreciate your continued interest in Albany International. Thank you, and have a good day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & TreasurerGunnar KlevelandPresident & CEOAnalystsPeter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. 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The MC segment designs, manufactures, and markets paper machine clothing for use in the manufacturing of papers, paperboards, tissues, towels, pulps, nonwovens, building products, tannery, and textiles, as well as fiber cement and several other industrial applications. This segment offers paper machine clothing forming, pressing, and drying fabrics, as well as engineered processing belts; and engineered fabrics. The AEC segment 3D-woven and injected composite components for aircraft engines composite airframe and engine components for military and commercial aircraft. It operates in the United States, Switzerland, France, Brazil, China, Mexico, Germany, and internationally. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Albany International Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. I am Frans, and I'll be the operator assisting you today. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star one on your telephone keypad. Operator00:00:31Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to J. C. Chetanani, Interim CFO and Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:00:48Thank you, Frans, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Albany International's second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. As a reminder for those listening on the call, please refer to our press release issued last night detailing our quarterly financial results. Contained in the text of the release is a notice regarding our forward looking statements and the use of certain non GAAP financial measures and their reconciliation to GAAP. For the purposes of this conference call, those same statements apply to our verbal remarks this morning. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:01:24Today, we will make statements that are forward looking and contain a number of risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied. For a full discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to both our earnings release on 07/30/2025, as well as our SEC filings, including our second quarter Form 10 Q and our 2024 Form 10 ks. Now I will turn the call over to Gunnar Cleavent, our President and CEO, who will provide opening remarks. Gunnar? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:01:58Good morning, and thank you for joining us as we review our second quarter twenty twenty five results. Overall, I'm encouraged with our progress this year, a year that we have said would be a transition year. Our business segment leaders are performing well as they restructure, invest and strengthen their operations, all while remaining agile in addressing near term challenges. Our second quarter financial results lagged our expectations, but as I'll cover, the performance was largely impacted by certain timing and operational issues, and we're confident in our recovery. We continue to monitor the tariff situation and secondary effects that could impact regional market dynamics or customer behaviors. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:02:43To date, we've not realized any direct material headwinds. Our mostly regional setup for both suppliers and customers largely insulate our operations from direct impact of tariffs. Also, while we were cautious about the tariff impact in our outlook, we now expect global growth to continue as the tariff environments get more predictable. Increasing activity in the defense sector, particularly hypersonics and new programs, is expected to result in accelerated growth at AEC in addition to our growth in commercial aerospace over the next several years. In Machine Clothing, despite some second quarter timing and market headwinds, the business delivered expected returns on the lower volume and showed growth from the first quarter. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:03:36We've commenced two additional facility closures in the quarter, as we remain focused on optimizing our global production footprint to best serve our customers. AEC delivered strong sequential quarter growth and continues to accelerate its disciplined long term operational strategy. We're investing in operational excellence to transform how we execute our current portfolio of programs, allowing us to grow profitably with our continuing new business wins. We're making good progress driving process improvements across all of our sites and with emphasis on our CH-fifty three ks program. At our last visit to Salt Lake City, it was encouraging to see planning and supply chain aligned with the rapid growth of this program. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:04:22The EAC adjustment in the quarter reflects our investment in program ramp readiness that we will cover in more detail later. For the quarter, we reported revenues of $311,000,000 adjusted EBITDA margin of 16.7% and an adjusted diluted EPS of $0.57 We returned capital to our shareholders through both a regular quarterly dividend and share repurchase program. In the first half of the year, we repurchased $119,000,000 worth of shares, including $50,000,000 in the second quarter. We currently have $143,000,000 of capacity remaining under our latest share repurchase authorization. Turning to our individual businesses. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:05:05For the quarter, Machine Clothing reported revenues of $181,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin of 28.8. As a reminder, comparisons to prior year are impacted by certain intentional and strategic business exits of approximately $5,000,000 per quarter. In terms of grades, while longer term secular trends in packaging remained strong, the effect of customer consolidations in North America created the delivery headwind in second quarter compared to the prior year. Tissue remains a bright spot globally with expected new machine investments, while pulp and engineered fabrics remained stable. North America had a slight decline in deliveries in the second quarter, mainly due to packaging machine production curtailments. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:05:52We're working closely with our customers to solidify our positions where consolidations have impacted their capacity. Overall, Europe continues to show solid signs of recovery with good deliveries and orders, offsetting weakening conditions in Asia. In particular, in China, we're seeing softer demand and continue to await machine restarts from the legacy Heimbach customer that we discussed in the prior quarter. Overall, we continue to follow a disciplined sales approach to mitigate these market dynamics. Our global MC order backlog remains healthy and gives us confidence for a stronger second half of the year. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:06:32Operationally, we initiated the process to shut two additional facilities in While we are executing to plan the transfer of production and equipment across facilities, thus challenge how quickly we can ramp up at the new location. In the second quarter, the performance at our Durran facility lagged as it took on new production, resulting in some temporary sales and profit shortfalls. During the second quarter, we also experienced temporary operational disruption in one of our U. S. Facilities due to unplanned equipment downtime, which led to delayed shipments in the quarter. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:07:08Turning to Engineered Composites segment, revenues for the quarter were $130,000,000 with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 8.5%. Revenue grew sequentially by 14% from the first quarter, reflecting continued ramping on our key programs. But profitability remains lower than our expectation as we continued our investment in disciplined operational improvements. We recorded a total EAC adjustment of $7,200,000 for the quarter. The EAC is mainly driven by continued investment in our labor force, which led to higher than projected overhead rates. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:07:43We're seeing the progress from our investment in frontline leader coaching and operator training through improved output and reduced scrap and rework. Our planning and supply chain improvements are evident in material being available for assembly needs on the CH-fifty three ks program. On LEAP, we're at the contractual inventory levels and well aligned to meet Safran's production schedule as Boeing and Airbus single aisle delivery rates continue to recover. We have ample capacity to meet any upside to the demand and now expect growth in the second half. The emerging advanced air mobility market remains attractive for our business, with continued sequential quarter growth and expected strong demand through the course of 2025 with our key customer beta. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:08:32Advanced air mobility will be a significant source of growth for AEC. As previously highlighted, our new long term agreement on the Bell five twenty five program is an attractive new win, where we are already delivering to customer expectations. We have invested in additional equipment in preparation for the JASON program growth, where we also deliver at 100% on time. Having achieved critical milestone at our dedicated facility, we're seeing momentum with customers in hypersonic parts development. We continue to invest in our capabilities and remain very positive in the medium and long term attractiveness of this segment. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:09:16Also, as I highlighted in our last quarter earnings release, our application development team continues to evaluate where AEC's differentiated three d woven technology in composite parts can be superior alternative to titanium with stronger relative strength to weight benefits. This was highlighted at the Paris Air Show, where our display showed examples of parts that we are currently supplying or in the process of developing for various customers. The response at the show was positive with customers and others seeing our keen focus on the technology that grew out of our weaving expertise and this technology's growing strategic uses and value. As we presented in last quarter's call, our solution can be delivered at a fraction of the titanium lead time with domestic materials and a production capacity proven to deliver 100% on time, which is in stark contrast to the challenges in the titanium supply. We successfully completed our S4HANA upgrade across the entire company in May. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:10:19This investment improves our systems and operational efficiencies and will deliver enhanced analytics to improve our business agility. Finally, I'm excited to announce that Will Station has accepted the role of CFO at Albany International. Will comes to us from McKesson Medical Surgical, where he was Senior Vice President of Primary Care Sales, leading a team of more than 1,200 account executives. Prior to that, he was the subsidiary's Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President of Finance. Will's career also includes sixteen years at the Boeing Company from 2005 until 2021, where he held a number of increasingly senior finance roles, notably Vice President and Chief Financial Officer for the Commercial Derivatives Airplanes from 2014 to 2021, and Director of Financial Operations for Boeing Commercial Airplanes from 2011 to 2014. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:11:14He's a great addition to the team and complements the leadership team with large OEM experience as well as his commercial finance and business expertise. I also want to take this opportunity to thank JC for stepping up to take on the role as interim CFO and making the transition seamless. JC will continue to support the transition as will onboard. And with that, I'll now hand it over to JC to provide more detail on the quarter. JC? JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:11:42Thank you, Ganar. I will review our second quarter results and then discuss our outlook for the balance of 2025. Consolidated net sales were $311,000,000 down 6.2% from $332,000,000 in the second quarter of last year. Machine Clothing net sales were $181,000,000 a decrease of 6.5% versus the second quarter of last year. After adjusting for the effects of planned strategic business exits, the decrease is approximately 4%. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:12:12This is mainly driven by lower volumes in the quarter from unplanned equipment downtime in a US facility, a lag in ramping transfer production as part of our footprint rationalization and softness in Asia, especially China. The majority of the current quarter production shortfall is expected to recover in the second half. AEC net sales of $130,000,000 went over by 5.7% versus the 2024, primarily due to the unfavorable cumulative catch up impacts from the EAC adjustments, offset by growth in our new programs. Consolidated gross profit was $98,000,000 or 31.3% of sales, down from $112,000,000 in the prior year, or 33.9% of sales. Machine Clothing gross profit of $84,000,000 decreased from $89,000,000 in the prior year, while gross margin improved by 40 basis points to 46.3%. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:13:13Overall, this performance reflects improved operating efficiencies. AEC gross profit of $14,000,000 decreased from $24,000,000 largely reflecting the impact of the cumulative EAC adjustment for the quarter. Of the $7,200,000 of EAC charges for the quarter, 8,100,000.0 was related to the CS50K program, partially offset by a positive $1,600,000 Gulfstream reserve adjustment with a balance spread across other programs. Net R and D expenses at 4% in the second quarter is higher versus the prior year, reflecting our emphasis in material science and new business ventures. Consolidated SG and A expenses were $59,000,000 for the quarter, up versus $56,000,000 in the prior year due to weakening of the U. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:13:59S. Dollar and higher professional fees, partially offset by lower personnel related costs. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 31.3% versus 27.9% in the prior year. The higher rate is mainly due to favorable discrete tax adjustments in the prior year, resulting from the release of uncertain tax positions. GAAP net income attributable to the company for the quarter was $9,200,000 compared to $24,600,000 last year, while GAAP diluted EPS was $0.31 per share in this quarter was $0.39 in the same period last year. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:14:36After adjustments primarily related to foreign currency revaluation and net restructuring costs as detailed in our non GAAP reconciliation, the adjusted diluted EPS was $0.57 versus $0.89 in the same period last year. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $52,000,000 for the quarter versus $63,000,000 in the prior year period, while for Machine Clothing adjusted EBITDA was $52,000,000 versus $59,000,000 in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margin decreased to 28.9% versus 30.4% in the prior year, driven primarily by the margin impact from lower shipments due to slower than expected ramp of transfer production, unplanned equipment downtime and softness in Asia. AEC adjusted EBITDA was $11,000,000 as compared to $20,000,000 in the prior year period. Margin at AEC was 8.5% of sales versus 14.3% in the prior year, primarily reflecting the current period ASC cumulative catch up adjustments. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:15:33Moving to free cash flow. Free cash flow was improved sequentially and was positive $18,000,000 in the second quarter versus a negative $14,000,000 in the first quarter. For the 2025, total free cash flow of $4,000,000 is down versus the prior year of $46,000,000 This was partially driven by investment in working capital as we ramp up new programs in 2025. And our balance sheet remains strong with a cash balance of $107,000,000 and $355,000,000 of borrowing capacity under our current committed credit facility. In terms of full year guidance, we expect the second half to be stronger than the first half. JC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & Treasurer at Albany International00:16:10We project continued ramping programs at AEC, recovery in shipments at MC, as well as bottom line improvement from continued operational efficiencies across both businesses. Accordingly, we are reaffirming our full year guide. Now I'd like to open the call over for questions. Operator00:16:37Please press star one on your telephone keypad and to join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question as well, simply press 1 again. If you called upon to ask your question and are listening via loudspeaker on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. And your first question comes from the line of Peter Arment from Baird. Please go ahead. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:17:07Yes, good morning Gunnar and JC, and welcome, Will. Gunnar, can you talk about where you are in terms of like overall build rates in aerospace, maybe not calling out specifically, but just in general, where you are matching up with the OE rates and the planned production? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:17:26Yeah, I think we're getting as Boeing is ramping up and destocking as they have been bringing material in, we're seeing our ramp up slowly occurring both on the Boeing and then as I mentioned on the LEAP program, we have seen we have reached our contractual level of inventory and we're building to match how Safran is pulling from that inventory. So I would say overall, there is a momentum towards the prior level of production. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:18:12And is there anything we should be thinking about for the second half that could either put you at the low end or the high end of the range of the revenue range? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:18:21Yes. I think what you need to look at, if you see Machine Clothing, the Heimbach synergies are driving a lot of this together with recapturing the lost revenue from the machine down as well as the transition. At AEC, the increase in commercial programs is a major factor to growth and profitability, as well as the higher return programs coming back at AEC. Now, there's the improved performance is part of our guide. We expect our performance in the second half to be better. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:19:12Three ks, can you just maybe just kind of the latest adjustments that you've made? It seems like obviously some of this was all strategically planned for to support your move into low rate production. But maybe just give us your latest thoughts on that program. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:19:31Peter, I missed the program. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:19:33The CH-fifty three ks, sorry. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:19:35Okay, CH-fifty three, yes. So the ramp up there, we're taking a very controlled approach to how we're ramping that up. Like I've said, the investment in that program, both in how we lead our team and how we train our team, I wouldn't say that it's taking longer, but we're putting a lot of effort into it as the program grows. We are continuing to grow each of the monuments if you want, the biggest one being the aft, which is the latest transition that we had, but I can tell you that I was there. I saw all of our jigs in at the facility, and we have parts in all of the jigs, which gives me the confidence that we're building and working towards that two per month rate, that we're going to be at towards the end of this year. Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co00:20:51I appreciate the color. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks. Operator00:20:58And before we proceed to the next question, we ask that you please limit your question to one question and one follow-up only. And after that, you can just simply join the queue again. Thank you. And your next question comes from Steve Tusa from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:21:18Hi. This is Chiyusa Kotoko on for Steve. Thanks for taking my question. So firstly, just digging in a little bit more into the AAC margins. So I think in your most recent updates, sounded like things were turning the corner here. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:21:34And things are improving on Boeing II versus a couple of quarters ago. So I just was wondering if you could provide some additional color on what happened here that you may you kinda need to make additional investments in the labor. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:21:47Yes. Good morning, Chigusa. The AEC is performing very well across all of the programs. Our challenge has remained at the CH-fifty three ks program, primarily because it's a very different program from all of the other parts that we provide at AEC. So the focus has been there. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:22:18It has taken us longer to do the ramp, and it has taken more resources, and as we looked at the performance in the second half, we realized that we had underestimated our overhead charges there. And I think also what is important to remember is that this is a ten year program, so when you do a small adjustment in the overhead rate, it has a very large impact to the EACs. So we are investing in this program, we're seeing the result of the investment in the program. More importantly, the investment in both our planning and supply chain now has us filling up our tool jigs with parts, giving our teams the ability to perform, which has been an issue, right? If you don't have the parts, it's hard to show your performance. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:23:26With all the parts available, you have a chance to show how you can perform, and that is the turning the corner, as you say, we're seeing coming into the third quarter. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:23:40Okay, great, thanks. And then as a follow-up, so you reaffirmed your full year guidance, which implies that it's maybe like a 30% over half ramp in EBITDA. So if you can kind of just dig in a little bit deeper into what kind of what you expect will ramp in the second half that gives you confidence to reiterate the guidance? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:24:02Yes. It's fair because we see not only better returns, but we also see higher sales in the third and fourth quarter, which is what's giving us the confidence to say that we'll keep the guide. Heimbach synergies, again, is a big part. They're becoming cumulative, as well as some of the timing at MC. For AEC, it's really the growth that we're seeing both on the commercial side and the defense with CH-fifty two ks and performance there. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:24:39That gives us the confidence to say we're holding the guide. Chigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & Co00:24:44Okay, thank you. Operator00:24:49And your next question comes from Michael Ciarmoli from Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:24:57Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Just to stay on that topic of the guidance. I mean, a couple of challenges here. I mean, what were the drivers in or the decision making in not lowering the guidance? Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:25:12And then even the bridge for AEC, I mean, that second half range implies that revenues could be down 11% versus first half What are the swing factors that are going to take you to the high end and the low end of those guidance ranges? Mean, it just seems like a pretty wide range, especially in the context of the recent performance. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:25:37And good morning, Michael. I'm not addressing the range itself, but it's really about getting the performance on the program to the level that we believe that the program has, which is, it's the EACs that is driving the low performance, right? So if we can perform at the level that we believe we have the ability to do now with parts at hand and with the team trained and continued ramp is where we see the high end of the range. The low end of the range obviously is we're not able to achieve that. So for AEC, it is really around the CH-fifty three ks program. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:26:37But the reason why we held it is because we have confidence that the team has come to a point where we will see the results of all of this impact. We see it gradually, right? We see it with less quality issues, we see it with less hours being spent on each operation, and so the progress is there. Okay, anything And in the short term. Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:27:09Okay, I mean, anything else ramping up, I mean, your pipeline, maybe other programs that you've secured, do you have to relook at other contracts and other assumptions across other defense programs? I mean, how do we get comfortable with the AEC profile on a go forward basis? What's potentially in that pipeline that we don't really know yet? Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:27:37There's both existing and new programs that are ramping up in the second half. And we've not talked that much about it, Bell obviously is a part of that. The lead program is growing, and we have kept that flat for the year, and at this point we're saying that it's growing, as we are matching what Safran is building. The JASSM, LARASSM program continues to grow. When I was in Salt Lake recently, we've invested quite significantly in that program and continue to deliver on time, so that is a growth for the back half as well. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:28:33I would say Joint Strike Fighter, I would keep flat for now, and we're watching where Lockheed Martin is going on that. And then the engine programs at our Boerne facility and our Carrethro facility, as both Airbus and Boeing are ramping up, there is an increase in orders to us. So the second half does have growth in it. Across both commercial and military programs. Michael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist Securities00:29:11Okay. Thanks, I'll jump back in the queue. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:29:14Okay. Operator00:29:17Before we proceed to the next question, And your next question comes from Alex Preston from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Alexander PrestonEquity Research Associate - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:29:31Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. Good morning. So I wanted to touch on the three d woven composite parts and the replacing titanium. You mentioned you got a good reception in Paris. Alexander PrestonEquity Research Associate - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:29:45Maybe if you could just go a little deeper and sort of where that program stands, maybe how long do you expect until certification might be in play, a go to market strategy, maybe just a little more detail on that would be really helpful. Thank you. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:30:01Yeah, you will see more information about this for each quarter as we expand our target opportunity there. But I think a good example here is at the Paris Air Show, if you went to the Safran display, they had the landing gear of a A350 there, and they had a brake brace, It takes four per landing gear, and they had two of ours and two in titanium on that display. And clearly, it's a perfect example of how we are replacing a part that is titanium today that can be replaced with a three d woven part at a lower weight. That is a great example, we were excited that both Airbus and Safran were aligned there with us, and we're developing that. Certification is in the next eighteen months or so, I would say. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:31:19So some of these commercial programs or military programs, when we are actually replacing current titanium, will take some time, so our focus has been around the new programs. Beta is a great example, we use three d woven technology to help them design their lift plate, we had that in Paris as well. And then we were meeting with the developer of the new aircraft, military aircraft, to show where we can replace titanium on new development programs. And then of course, we're using the three d woven technology in our hypersonic development, which would replace not titanium, but use our technology to get a near net shape rather than the current box type that has to be machined. So three d woven is our focus. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:32:31We're going to put a lot of effort on it, over the next several years. I think we'll have opportunity to replace titanium on current programs, we'll have a big place in new programs. Alexander PrestonEquity Research Associate - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:32:48Got it, thank you very much. Sure. Operator00:32:55No further questions at this time. And now I would like to turn the call back over to Gunnar Cleveland for closing remarks. Please go ahead. Gunnar KlevelandPresident & CEO at Albany International00:33:09Thank you, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call today. We appreciate your continued interest in Albany International. Thank you, and have a good day.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJC ChetnaniInterim CFO, VP - IR & TreasurerGunnar KlevelandPresident & CEOAnalystsPeter ArmentSenior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & CoChigusa KatokuVP - Equity Research at JP Morgan Chase & CoMichael CiarmoliMD - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Truist SecuritiesAlexander PrestonEquity Research Associate - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill LynchPowered by