Vale Q2 2025 Earnings Report

Vale EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.50
• Consensus EPS: $0.34
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.16
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Vale Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $8.80 billion
• Expected Revenue: $9.54 billion
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$739.23 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Vale Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q2 2025
• Date: 7/31/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Friday, August 1, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 10:00AM ET

Vale (NYSE:VALE), together with its subsidiaries, produces and sells iron ore and iron ore pellets for use as raw materials in steelmaking in Brazil and internationally. The company operates through Iron Solutions and Energy Transition Materials segments. The Iron Solutions segment produces and extracts iron ore and pellets, manganese, and other ferrous products; and provides related logistic services. The Energy Transition Materials segment produces and extracts nickel used to produce stainless steel, electric vehicles, and metal alloys; and its by-products, such as gold, silver, cobalt, precious metals, platinum, and others, as well as copper used in the construction sector to produce pipes and electrical wires. The company was formerly known as Companhia Vale do Rio Doce and changed its name to Vale S.A. in May 2009. Vale S.A. was founded in 1942 and is headquartered in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

VALE Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Positive Sentiment: Vale reported a 55% reduction in high-potential recordable injuries and leads peers in TriFear, reinforcing its path to becoming the world’s safest mining company.
• Positive Sentiment: Iron ore production hit 84 Mt in Q2 (+4% YoY and highest since 2018), while nickel and copper volumes rose 44% and 18% YoY respectively, marking the best second-quarter copper output since 2019.
• Positive Sentiment: C1 cash costs fell for a fourth straight quarter, with iron ore at $22.2/t (-11% YoY), copper all-in costs down 60% to $1,400/t, and nickel costs cut 30%, keeping 2025 cost guidance within reach.
• Positive Sentiment: Recurring free cash flow rose to $1 B in Q2, expanded net debt declined to $17.4 B, and the Board approved a $1.4 B interest-on-capital distribution, underscoring disciplined capital allocation.
• Positive Sentiment: The new Carajás program secured a preliminary license for Bacaba, adding 50 ktpa of ore at ~$5.4k/t capital intensity and extending S11D’s plant life.

Presentation

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Vale's second quarter twenty twenty five conference call. First, I would like to take a moment to remind you of our strategic direction as defined by our Vale 2030 vision. We are building a leading mining platform with the right portfolio of assets as we leverage our unique endowment to deliver accretive growth opportunities in both copper and iron ore. We are also highly focused on continuing to gain competitiveness across all commodities. And this quarter's performance only reinforces that we are on the right track to achieve our stated goals.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Another key element of our strategy is the increased focus on talent development and leadership. To that end, I'm very happy to have a world class executive committee team fully in place now with the recent arrivals of Sami Rappi as our General Counsel and Grase Parenti as our VP of Sustainability. Both professionals bring enormous experience and expertise and will certainly help us to deliver on our long term strategy. Now let's move on to the highlights of this quarter. On safety, we are pleased to see clear progress towards creating an accident free work environment across all of our operations.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Our safety indicators for the 2025 have clearly improved compared to last year, as represented by a 55% reduction in the high potential recordable injuries indicator, and we continue to lead our peers in TriFear. These results are reassuring and confirm that we are on the right path to becoming the safest mining company in the world. This quarter was also marked by another solid operational performance across all business segments. This shows that our focus on operational excellence and on building a superior portfolio are paying off, putting us on track to meet all of our guidances for the year. Iron ore production reached 84,000,000 tons this quarter, 4% higher year on year and our highest second quarter output since 2018.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Growth was mainly driven by the ramp up of new assets, such as Capanema, along with a strong and consistent performance from other sites. S11D, for example, hit another production record this quarter. We remain committed to increasing the flexibility of our product portfolio, which allows us to respond more effectively to market conditions and capture greater value through our commercial strategy. In our energy transition metals business, we continue to make solid progress. Nickel production rose 44% year on year, driven by productivity initiatives and the successful ramp up of the Voise's Bay underground mine.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

I'm also happy to announce that we have started on Sapuma's second furnace commissioning. The furnace, when fully ramped up, will contribute with 12 to 15 kilotons of nickel production and will be very cost competitive. Copper production also performed strongly, increasing 18% compared to the same period last year, our best second quarter since 2019. The strong performance at VBM highlights the great work Sean and the team are doing to unlock value from our existing assets and position the company to deliver on our long term goals, including the highly promising corporate growth. Early in the year, we launched the new Carajas program with the vision to accelerate the development of essential projects in one of the most attractive mineral deposits globally.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Since then, the team has been working on several fronts to advance those projects, including increasing the exploration spend to better understand the endowment in the region with very promising results to date. The first important milestone for the new Carajas program was the preliminary license for Bacaba granted in June. Bacaba will extend the life of our Susego plant with 50 kilotons a year and a very competitive capital intensity of $5,400 per ton, a clear demonstration of the potential value creation we have in the region. As we advanced on our growth story, one thing remains clear, being a performance driven company is at the core of our strategy. Our efficiency program driven by innovation and technology is enabling us to consistently reduce costs at a time when much of the industry is struggling to contain inflation.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

This was the fourth consecutive quarter of year on year reduction in our C1 cash cost, putting us on track to meet our 2025 guidance of $20.5 to $22 per ton. Becoming more competitive and efficient is a top priority for our team, and we will continue to pursue this objective as a key element of our strategy and culture evolution. Finally, talking about the third pillar of our vision, which is on becoming a trusted partner for society. Vale recently published its first sustainability related financial information report, being the first company in Brazil and the first major mining company globally to do so. The report outlines climate related risks, making clear how Vale is managing those, while identifying key opportunities for the company, such as the steel industry decarbonization and the increasing need for critical metals like copper and nickel.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

I encourage you all to explore this report, which reflects our commitment to leading the industry in transparency and sustainable mining initiatives. I will now pass the floor to Marcelo Baty to discuss our financial performance. I will be back for closing remarks before the Q and A. Marcelo, please go ahead.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

Thanks, Gustavo, and good morning, everyone. Our pro form a EBITDA reached $3,400,000,000 in the 2025, improving 7% quarter on quarter, but down 14% year on year, driven by the 13% decline in iron ore reference prices. We once again delivered a solid operating performance with production volumes rising and cost declining year over year across all commodities. This efficiency driven mindset is increasingly shaping the way we operate and our results reflect the commitment and discipline of our teams. Let's take a closer look at the details of this quarter.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

Starting in iron ore, our cost performance continues to show strong momentum, marking the fourth consecutive quarter of year on year decline. In Q2, our C1 cash cost reached $22.2 per ton, down 11% year on year driven by our efficiency initiatives and a favorable exchange rate. Drilling costs declined 10% year on year, reaching $55.3 per ton. This improvement was not only driven by a lower C1, but also by lower expenses and improved premium realization on iron ore fines. We are starting to see the benefits of our portfolio optimization strategy with more to come in the coming quarters.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

We remain highly confident in achieving our full year guidance for both our C1 and all in cost, implying year over year cost reductions despite inflationary pressures. Our energy transition metals business delivered another strong quarterly result with substantial improvements across all assets, reflecting the impact of the asset review initiative led by Sean. In copper, the all in cost decreased by 60%, reaching $1.4 per ton. This reduction was driven by strong performance at both Salobo and Sosego, along with higher byproduct revenues benefiting from higher gold prices. The lower than expected costs in the first half of the year combined with a more favorable outlook for byproduct revenues allow us to revise down our 2025 all in cost guidance for copper.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

We now expect a range of $1.5 to $2,000 per ton, which considering everything else constant would imply a $300,000,000 EBITDA improvement for the year. In nickel, the all in cost decreased by 30% year on year as a result of robust operating improvements in Sudbury and Voisey's Bay with the ramp up of the underground mines as well as higher revenues from byproducts. Now moving on to cash generation. Recurring free cash flow reached $1,000,000,000 in Q2, 500,000,000 higher than in Q1, driven by a higher pro form a EBITDA and a lower working capital variation. Our CapEx continues to trend downward, reflecting gains from our efficiency program and the completion of key projects like VBME and Capanema.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

We remain confident in delivering the $5,900,000,000 CapEx guidance for the year. Additionally, yesterday, our Board of Directors approved a distribution of $1,400,000,000 in interest on capital to be paid in September, in line with our dividend policy, reinforcing our continued commitment to return value to shareholders. As you can see on this slide, our recurring free cash flow enabled a reduction in our expanded net debt, which ended the quarter at $17,400,000,000 Our target range for expanded net debt remains between 10,000,000,000 and $20,000,000,000 We expect to gradually move back towards the midpoint of that range in the coming quarters, supported by strong cash flow generation in the second half of the year and the positive impact of the Allianz Energia deal, which we expect to close in Q3. To conclude, I would like to reinforce our continued disciplined capital allocation approach, keeping our expanded net debt within our target range, controlling CapEx, investing in accretive projects and delivering strong shareholder returns through dividends and buybacks. As Gustavo mentioned earlier, we also remain firmly committed to our efficiency program, ensuring we become an even more competitive company. With that,

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

I would like to pass the floor back to Gustavo for the key takeaways.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Thanks, Marcelo. Before we open up for the Q and A session, I would like to highlight the key takeaways from today's call. Safety and sustainability are core values, and we are committed to continuously improve our performance, while also increasing transparency and keeping an open dialogue with all of our stakeholders. We continue to consistently advance on our operational excellence efforts, which are enabling us to reach record production levels across all of our businesses.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Competitiveness and efficiency remain a top priority as the resulting all in cost reductions will make us more resilient to generate value through the cycle. Carajas is one of the best copper provinces globally. Through our new Carajas program, we are accelerating copper growth by developing accretive projects in the region, such as Bacaba, creating long term value for our shareholders. And finally, our disciplined capital allocation approach will continue to ensure health shareholder remuneration and value creation for all of our stakeholders. Now let's move on to the Q and A session. Thank you.

[Operator]

We are going to start the question and answer section of the call. Our first question comes from Marcio Faridji with Goldman Sachs. You can open your microphone.

[Marcio Farid Filho, Vice President at Goldman Sachs]

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the opportunity. Maybe my first question to Rogerio, please. Rogerio, when you look at the production report, it was very clear that Vale's commercial and proxy strategy was very adapted to the environment.

[Marcio Farid Filho, Vice President at Goldman Sachs]

So we saw big swings in terms of product delivery, right? IOCJ was basically cutting half, low grades basically doubled, pellets was quite down a bit in line with the guidance. So trying to understand how you're thinking about product mix going forward when you consider where premiums are that Simandou is probably ramping up high grade ore into next year. And obviously, considering Vale's asset base in Brazil and also the blending facilities as well, please. And secondly, my second question to Sean on the base metal side.

[Marcio Farid Filho, Vice President at Goldman Sachs]

Nickel was quite robust, obviously, from low levels, but even adjusting for nonrecurring items was very strong and EBITDA basically increased four times, right? So just wondering if it's a new recurring level, can we expect more cost savings and more profitability improvement both on nickel and copper as well, generally speaking? You.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

Morning, Marcias. Thank you for the question. On the product portfolio, I think what I would like to reinforce is that we are focusing on value as we said last time. And more broadly optimizing total contribution considering premiums, costs, volume. So it's not only it's a complete understanding of where we can generate value.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

We keep working on building flexibility in our supply chain. We are looking to adjust product offering dynamically. As you just mentioned, as market changes, as premium changes, steel margin changes, we need to adjust our portfolio. And in order to enhance this flexibility, we are seeking to increase our concentration capacity and blending capacity, not only in China, but also outside China. But just to give you some examples of supply chain flexibility, as you just asked, as steel margins declined in the past couple of months, we and quality premiums narrowed.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

We revised completely our portfolio. As an example, we revised our IOCJ, our iron ore from Carajas specification. We introduced, as I just mentioned last time, a mid grade Carajas ore. We increased our concentration of high silica ores. So all this with a goal of not only simply not only adjusting the products to the market, but also of simplifying our mining operations, improving this way the conversion of resources.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

This also helps us to decrease costs, increase production, decrease the number of products. So it is a total optimization of the system. And so that you know, today we just tendered new projects of Carajas and new products of mid grade very successfully. I think you may be able to see this impact, which has been quite positive. For example, if you look into BRBF premiums versus the premiums on an Indus 62, we have had a tremendous change and a tremendous increase in the premiums on BRBF.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

The premiums on concentrates also increased, especially on the spot market in China. And more remarkably, silica penalties narrowed by about $2 per ton on a percentage point relative to alumina ores from April to July. These all are very significant improvements in price realization. So this actually when you look into Vale's overall portfolio has a very significant impact, primarily because all our ores are relatively higher in silicon. But obviously, I think you also asked about Simandou.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

Simandou will change the dynamic into the market. But what I can tell you is that we are prepared to make the necessary adjustments, change our product mix, change in channel allocation as Simadou comes into the market.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And Marcio, good morning. It's Sean speaking. So to your question, I think you may recall, late last year, Validay and then in Q1, we set about with the base metals business doing a few things. The first was looking to lower our global overhead through efficiency programs to make the organization as effective as possible and reengage the operations so that they can effectively be as productive as possible and successfully compete for capital. We call it internally Project Catalyst.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And what we've seen to date on that initiative has been quite remarkable with the teams responding. So you recall in Q1, we said that we'd removed about onethree of our global overhead in G and A. We've actually gone beyond that. I think at that time in Q1, it was about a two eighty five million dollars cash flow improvements on our internal budgets from last year. We're looking now at about $340,000,000 and I see more opportunity.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And I think what you see in this quarter is the first with the lag between what appears in our actual accounts and then the timing on cost of goods sold, you're seeing the flow through. So our latest numbers now in our forecast, we're banking about EUR $340,000,000 of cash improvements, where more than half of that is in OpEx, the rest in CapEx. To your point, nickel, out of necessity, just given the point in the cycle, I think we're seeing is a disproportionate amount of those savings. And we're also seeing a large impact from fixed cost dilution and also the benefit of So just a few things to consider.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

I think we're on track for certainly the on the copper side, the best performance we've seen in certainly at Sulobo and at Sasego with the productivity improvements, the unit cost improvements alone, we're seeing nearly a 40% improvement with the work that Vinicius and his team is doing. So despite the copper price environment and gold price environment being very supportive, those efficiency and programs are driving. So you're seeing fixed cost dilution that's occurring with increased volumes, but also low overhead. So there's that double whammy plus the benefit of the byproducts. And to put that in context for you, I think we had mentioned this on the last call, but it's worth just reiterating it.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

For every $100 an ounce move in gold price, it's about $135 a tonne improvements in all in cost for copper, for example. Importantly, when you go to nickel, we're seeing a big volume effect in addition to a very large fixed cost reduction that we're just starting to reveal. Voisey's Bay, as Gustavo has mentioned, we're seeing a very successful ramp up of the underground there. Peter and his team are about 30% ahead of our internal plans and are well set to continue with the successful ramp up. And very pleasingly, because of the owned feature that is going into Long Harbour, we've actually seen the team, for the first time in the history of their operation, actually achieved nameplate of that operation in May.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And we look forward to seeing those teams continue to deliver the throughputs, particularly driven through own feed, which has cash flow benefits for our business. Sudbury, we've seen significant improvements, not just in overhead reductions, but throughput. You'll see that Tottenham, for example, it's the highest ore hoist that we've seen in the first half of the year there in over six years. And in Creighton, it's the highest metal produced month in June since nearly a decade. And Ontario itself, when you look at copper, and just to remind you, I think in these pricing environments, only about 40 of our revenue coming from that complex is actually nickel.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

The rest is copper, cobalt, PGMs, and that diversification is really helpful. About we're seeing about 6% more copper in the first half versus the same period in the last year. And just going back to that polymetallic piece, as you consider the sustainability and the potential going forward, for every $1,000 a tonne move in copper, our oil and costs move were about $460 a tonne Platinum for every $100 it's about $55 Palladium for every $100 an ounce, it's about $60 a tonne. And gold for every $100 an ounce is about $25 a tonne. So I'm seeing across the board performance.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

On Sepuma, as Gustavo mentioned, they just started the second furnace. Even before then, Kilmer and her team are hitting second quartile improvements, and we should be on track for metal by the end of Q3 in that operation in a very competitive position. So I'm very proud of the team. I think we're on track, and I think you should expect to see a continuation of us focusing on delivery of increased volumes, fixed cost dilution, reduction of fixed costs and improvements in productivities.

[Operator]

Next question from Rodolfo Angeli with JPMorgan.

[Rodolfo De Angele, Latam Oil, Gas, Metals & Mining Analyst at JP Morgan]

Thank you very much. So I have a couple of questions, I think, more towards back, but, you know, feel free to to jump in whoever wants to help. But I think I want to explore a little bit more the side of cost. It's clearly the highlight of the quarter. As Gustavo mentioned, 10% lower iron ore, 60% on copper, 30% on nickel.

[Rodolfo De Angele, Latam Oil, Gas, Metals & Mining Analyst at JP Morgan]

That's quite impressive. And I wanted to explore a little bit of the future on the cost side. So what is structural here? And probably more important is the baseline of opportunities on the cost side. Is it still pretty healthy?

[Rodolfo De Angele, Latam Oil, Gas, Metals & Mining Analyst at JP Morgan]

Can you give us a little bit more color? You do seem very comfortable on the guidances, but I just wanted to hear a little bit more detail on the cost opportunity on BPM and on iron ore as well. That's my first question. The second is on shareholder return. This is a recurring question that I get from investors.

[Rodolfo De Angele, Latam Oil, Gas, Metals & Mining Analyst at JP Morgan]

The company is doing well. Clearly, we're seeing the performance stable. The company is generating cash. And the stock is cheap, at least that's our assessment. So the question is on shareholder returns, Baqi.

[Rodolfo De Angele, Latam Oil, Gas, Metals & Mining Analyst at JP Morgan]

So looking forward, what do we have to see a buyback program being something that the company will be pursuing more aggressively? Those are my two questions. Thank you very much.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

Rodolfo, thank you for the questions. On the cost side, we feel very confident about delivering the guidance for this year in iron ore. The operational performance has been very stable and the new operations are coming in at a very good pace and we feel very good about continuing to deliver according to the guidance. Of course, in the second half of this year, we have tougher comps since the performance at the end of last year was very good. But we are feeling very, very confident about the guidance that we have for iron ore.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

On the base metal side, as Sean mentioned, we also have a very consistent and robust operation today that enables us to believe that we are going to continue to deliver the same level of cost in nickel around the same level that we have today in the second half of the year. And we have this new guidance that we published for copper that we also feel very confident about that. So the performance and the stability of our operations are making us believe that the cost performance will continue to be within the ranges of the guidances that we provided to the market. When it comes to shareholder return, we just announced the dividend in the form of interest on capital for this first half, which is related to the minimum policy that we have 30% of operating cash flow. Will during the second half of this year, depending on how we perform on cash flow, we will decide about potential additional dividends and or buybacks.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

We just announced today the approval by our Board for also the usage potentially for the buybacks of derivative instruments that could enable us to manage the cash flow on a better way. So I would say that we continue to see a mismatch between the operating performance and the valuation that we see in the market. So we are getting prepared to move forward with some of these actions during the second half of this year.

[Operator]

Next question from Amos Fletcher with Barclays.

[Amos Fletcher, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

I had two questions. The first one, actually, just following up on that last answer, just around the use of financial instruments and derivatives to do the buyback. Could you just go into a bit more detail to explain exactly how that would work and the potential quantum of it? And does it enable you to start a buyback earlier than you might otherwise have done potentially in the second half of the year? And then my second question was just on Vale based metals.

[Amos Fletcher, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

I just wanted to ask about the recent departure of Marc Cudafani and whether that indicates any potential change in strategy for VBM over the long term. You very much.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

Thank you, Amos. In relation to the derivatives usage, it's important to mention that according to the regulations of the Brazilian authorities, we have to be very precise about what kind of derivatives that we use for the buyback program. So the approval that we got yesterday from our Board was just an explanation of what would be the different kind of derivatives that we are authorized to use. Basically, the decision between buying straight in the market or using derivatives is related to the cost of capital and also related to the cash flow management of the company. So we wanted to have the options open to go one way or the other depending on how the market performs in the second half of this year.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

But in relation to the decision of actually going to the market and performing the buybacks, this will depend, of course, on how comfortable we feel in terms of cash flow generation and the room that we have on our REPRESENTATIVE:] net debt policy.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

On the VBM Board and the departure of Mark, no change in his strategy. That was always the design when we invited Marc to join us. The idea there was to set up the asset review, help us build the team, and that has been achieved. So he was extremely helpful, and we are very grateful for the work that he did. And it was the design, once we had the team in place, that they would then take over and move the strategy along.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

So no change in strategy. If anything, what we want to do is to accelerate the future that we laid out for VBM.

[Operator]

Next question from Leonardo Correa with BTG.

[Leonardo Correa, Associate Partner Equity Research at BTG Pactual]

Hello, everyone. Good morning. Yes, so a couple of questions on my side. Number one, just moving back to perhaps to Rodolfo's question on the cash returns, right, which I think is the, let's say, the central element to Vale's investment thesis, right. I mean, there's a bit of a glass half full or half empty, right?

[Leonardo Correa, Associate Partner Equity Research at BTG Pactual]

Vale, I mean, you look at the dividend that was announced, it's a 7% yield. So we sense this is higher than the Australian peers, right? However, lower than some Brazilian peers and much lower than the CDI rates, which are the reference interest rates in the country, right. So the question always ends up being, I mean, what Vale needs to see, what needs to happen for extraordinary dividends and for Vale to return to those, let's say to those brighter days, a very strong cash returns, double digits with Vale paying quite a lot of extraordinary dividends, right? So maybe a bit redundant again, but we've been seeing iron ore prices surprise on the upside.

[Leonardo Correa, Associate Partner Equity Research at BTG Pactual]

I think many observers have been waiting and waiting for a correction which hasn't come and maybe will not come, who knows, right? It's very difficult to forecast. But would it be fair to say that in the current environment with some of the proceeds coming in the third quarter from Adelanes and with, let's say, with the resilient annual price, would you see Vale back to extraordinary dividends towards the end of the year? So that's my first question. Again, trying to address the marginal buyer at Vale, right, with that in the mindset, right?

[Leonardo Correa, Associate Partner Equity Research at BTG Pactual]

I mean, depends on who you talk to. People see the dividend as high or low, right, or relatively low. The second question to Marcelo specifically, right, on the CapEx guidance. I mean, the free cash flow number in the quarter was solid, right, 10% yield. It was based off a relatively low CapEx figure in the quarter, right?

[Leonardo Correa, Associate Partner Equity Research at BTG Pactual]

I mean, dollars 1,000,000,000 of outflows in CapEx. I know it's wrong to analyze this, but it's natural to do, right? I mean, dollars 4,000,000,000, your guidance is almost $6,000,000,000 slightly under $6,000,000,000 for the year. I know there's an erratic pace to CapEx, but I think the natural question would be, why not reduce the guidance or what are the risks that you end up with lower outlays versus your guidance? Those are the two questions. Thank you very much.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

Thank you, Leo. On the cash returns, think first, I don't think it's fair to compare with CDI, right? This is not our cost of capital, but I understand where you come from. The scenario is one that if we continue to see iron ore prices around $100 I think there's a good chance that we have room for additional payouts in the form of buybacks or additional dividends in the second half of this year as we did last year. But we're going to have to see how the market performs.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

We are very confident on the tools that are under our control on the cost side. But of course, we depend on market prices to determine the cash flow that we're going to have available in our hands to determine the allocation of capital that will most likely include more returns to shareholders if we are more towards a situation where our net debt, expanded net debt moves towards the midpoint of our range, which is $15,000,000,000 So if we feel that we're going in the direction of going below $15,000,000,000 increase the chances of additional payouts will probably increase and we're going to have to decide if we're going to go in the direction of buybacks or additional dividends depending on how the market is performing. On the CapEx side, we do recognize that the number for this quarter was relatively low. That was a seasonal effect. We feel very confident about the $5,900,000,000 guidance that we have for the year.

[Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale]

At this point, there is no indication of a change in the guidance for the year, but rather only a seasonal effect for this quarter.

[Operator]

Next question from Daniel Sason with Itau BBA.

[Daniel Sasson, Head of Latam Steel, Mining, Pulp, Paper & Agribusiness and Cement at Itau BBA]

Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for your time. My first question is related to pellets and maybe Roger and Guerra talked about the strategy of maximizing value and not necessarily quality in your portfolio. How do you see or to what you attribute, Rogerio, the recent decline in pellet premiums? Do you think that maybe the anti evolution or the supply side reforms in China could help on that front if steel producers' margins increase?

[Daniel Sasson, Head of Latam Steel, Mining, Pulp, Paper & Agribusiness and Cement at Itau BBA]

And do you see that happening at some point given that you're all in guidance for premiums this year is would likely imply a significant improvement in the second half? And maybe my second question to Sean, you talked a little bit about the reduction in your guidance for copper production costs and you mentioned that a chunk of that came on the back of higher gold prices, right, or higher by product sales. But specifically for gold, a big chunk of that or almost all of it is you don't get to keep it, right, because of the streaming transactions you made in the past. Do you think or are you interested at all in maybe renegotiating some of the terms of those deals? Or do you see in any way the possibility of increasing your exposure to gold or is it something that you'd like to do? Thank you so much.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

Daniel, thank you very much for the question on pellets. I think first, the market that we serve is the market of The Atlantic. We also serve the MENA region, The U. S. And Japan and Korea and Taiwan, not so much China.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

So the dynamic is a little bit different. I think what we're facing and when we look into the short term is a decrease in demand because China has been exporting a significant amount of steel. And those products are actually coming into the regions that I just mentioned, and they are reducing the necessity for higher production in these regions. Thus, with less productivity requirements, most of our clients are reducing the amount of pellets they use in their burden. So this is a lot related to the steel exports going to those regions.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

In addition to that, I think there is also the increase in supply from Samarco and some from LKAB. We're monitoring this situation very closely. I mean, obviously, we expect this to change and gradually more demand will come from pellets. When you look into the medium to long term, we see a significant increase in demand. There are several electrocard furnaces being planned around the world in different geographies, just to name a few.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

If you think about Europe, you may see Hogiesa, Thyssenkrupp, Sausgitter, Vist, Ilva Estegra, SSAB. If you go for the MENA region, so you go North Africa, Toccialli, Lisco Swiss, some mills in in Oman as well. In The U. S, you might we're just following the decision from Hyundai to install a new electric arc furnace in Louisiana. Tern, New Mexico is expanding.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

There's also Big River, number two. In Japan and Korea, Nippon, JFE, Postco, they're all looking into electric arc furnaces. So I think the view is that gradually and these projects that I'm talking about, they're all planned to come into place by 02/1930. So what we see is that despite the exports from China, which is impacting primarily the blast furnace market, we see that there's going to be a lot of demand coming on board gradually and pellet prices should actually recover. I mean, how fast this recovery will be is still a bit difficult to define, But we're monitoring that closely and taking the necessary solutions in terms of capacity, in terms of production of our pellets.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

Yes. And Daniel, a good question on the streaming transaction. You may recall my role before this was having founded streaming and royalty business. So I've been on the other side of this sort of question. I think it's useful.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

So firstly, we have a contractual arrangement primarily with Wheaton on Salobo, and these are financing transactions that go back a long way, right? The management team in Vale at the time would have had a choice between issuing equity or debt. And just the same there, where you're not going to, let's say, renege on contracts that you've got with your equity or debt holders. We have a contract that we're delivering into. But to put it in context, proceeds received so far on those streaming transactions going back to 2013, excluding the ongoing payments, are about $4,100,000,000 that the business has received.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And to your point, our focus here is on really what we can control. We've actually outperformed on gold in the first half just with the ebbs and flows of both the performance of Salobo as well as the sort of mine sequence. So we expect that to be a bit less in the second half. But really, the focus for us is on optimizing the production as a whole. We are the beneficiary of the residual gold regardless.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And if we were ever to look at financing alternatives in the future for future growth, we consider all options as we have, albeit using a lot of the experience, obviously, that I've got from having done these before. So yes, hopefully, that answers your question. But our main focus is on optimizing free cash and allocating our capital well and honoring our contracts.

[Operator]

Next question from Carlos De Alba with Morgan Stanley. Sir, you can open your microphone. Carlos Yes. De

[Carlos de Alba, Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

I'm here. Sorry. Yes. All right. Yes.

[Carlos de Alba, Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Maybe a follow-up on what we just discussed for Carlos Medeiro, maybe Rogerio. On the Briquette projects that you finished, given that it's no longer there as part of the project you're working on, how does the given the current market situation that Rogerio just elaborated, how are your customers accepting and buying the briquettes that you are now producing? And how is the ramp up of the project? When do you think you can achieve stable performance and maybe optimum cost? And comments that you can give us in terms of the margins that you could potentially achieve in these products?

[Carlos de Alba, Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

And then maybe for Sean, just a continuation of the last response. Sean, look, fantastic performance, very good to see the $20.25 all in cost guidance declining as dramatic as it did. I just would like to see if you can share some color on how you see the sequential performance in the third quarter and the fourth quarter. The all in cash cost is in the second quarter $1,450,000,000 is slightly lower than the the low end of the range that you provided. When you look at the six months, you are at $13.36 per ton.

[Carlos de Alba, Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

So again, is the new guidance a little bit conservative? Or because the lower gold production that I understood you mentioned you might see in the second half of the year, it is prudent to have a new range that, again, fantastic decline, but would suggest maybe an increase from where you were in the second quarter. Thank you.

[Carlos Medeiros, EVP - Operations at Vale]

Thanks for your question, Carlos. I will start answering and then I will hand over to Rogerio to talk about the market aspects and the test with our customers. So the Briquette line so far is stabilizing. So in July, we produced 40,000 tons, so which was our best mark in a month. We had the line down during the month of June to correct a few things that we believe were necessary.

[Carlos Medeiros, EVP - Operations at Vale]

And what we see is that the line will ramp up and also quality is improving on a daily basis. So we are confident that we'll come up that we are coming up with a product that will be helpful to our customers. So Rogerio, if you complement that.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

Thank you, Andreas. Thank you, Carlos. On the Briquet side, Carlos, we have a lot of interest from our clients. We have a huge backlog of clients looking to test it. But let me give you the current status.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

We need to separate this between blast furnace briquettes and direct production briquettes. On the blast furnace briquettes, we have done more than 10 in the pre industrial trials very successfully. We have completed two full industrial trials, one of which actually getting to 100% of briquettes in the burden mix, in a smaller blast furnace and another one achieving 50% of the bird mix with a larger blast furnace. I think what I can tell you is that the results were excellent in terms of productivity and in terms of coke rates, better than running with pellets, right? And we're now planning for still for this year another two very large industrial choice, which is the final product validation.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

Direct reduction, we have run I think we didn't have a chance to talk about this before, but we have run more than 10,000 basket tests with different clients around the globe. All basket tests have been extremely most of it actually extremely successful with very high metallization of the product, much better than actually in pellets. And we also have had very good indication of productivity. This is one of the things that we've noticed especially in direct reduction that the briquettes because of its configuration, its morphology, they actually yield a much higher productivity at the shaft furnaces. We're now completing and going to larger industrial trials as well with selected clients.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

But upon confirmation of the results, we believe that this is going to be a real breakthrough for the industry.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

Carlos, it's Sean. On your question on the second half, I know my Chief Operating Officer is online listening to this call and feeling the heat in the second half as we go into this. And I think I say that because clearly, of our operations have stepped up, and the performance you've seen to date is not isolated to just copper or nickel or just Salobo or, say, Ontario. We're seeing these opportunities across the board. I would caution that as you think about the second half, we are looking at more planned maintenance, which will impact volumes and obviously some cost in Q3.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

So you should think about H2 as being somewhat similar but more back end loaded. And I think the only other thing to frame is, bear in mind, we're ramping several operations right now. And so we are factoring that into our risk assessments in the numbers we're putting out publicly. We've as we've just communicated, we've just started the second furnace at Ansapuma. We are still in the midst through for the next, you know, many, many months for expansion at the underground in Voisey's Bay.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And effectively, we're expanding production in our own mines in Sudbury in several of them. We're aiming at 5,500,000 tonnes this year through the mill. We'll be looking to take that to seven. There's a significant amount of development and work that's going through this. So we have really factored that in.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

I think the last bit of context, mentioned before that the actions we've taken late last year and this year that we're identifying and delivering cost improvements, there is a lag between what we produce and what we sell. And so you're seeing that starting to manifest in this quarter with cost of goods sold. Our internal targets on what I mentioned earlier is Project Catalyst, where we've identified and delivered in our forecast so far about $340,000,000 of improvement this year. We are internally continuing to push beyond those numbers, but we will only bake those into forecasts and actually communicate those later as indeed we deliver as opposed to things that we have identified but yet have to succeed. So to summarize, you should see more of this.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

It should be more back end loaded. And as you'd appreciate in this industry with this volatility, it's essential that we are as productive as we can be and as cost competitive, and that's our focus.

[Operator]

Next question from Rafael Barcelos with Bradesco BBI.

[Rafael Barcellos, Head of LatAm Metals & Mining, Pulp & Paper and Cement - Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bradesco BBI]

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. My first question is for Rogerio. Rogerio, it would be interesting to understand how the new volumes from Capanema and even from the Sia Azul project will change your overall commercial strategy? And then my second question is really about your views on the iron ore markets. I mean despite the fact that we are dealing with several macro uncertainties, key data points remain very solid for iron ore and steel with steel prices and margins increasing in recent months.

[Rafael Barcellos, Head of LatAm Metals & Mining, Pulp & Paper and Cement - Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bradesco BBI]

So just wanted to hear your thoughts on the second half for iron ore markets, particularly what you're seeing in terms of demand trends for the second half? Thank you.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

Thank you, Rafael. Let me start with the second one, which is the global outlook. And then I'll talk specifically about the new volumes from Campanemie Serraso. When you look into the world, global steel market, it's still volatile as some of you just pointed out. But we feel it's more stable after these intense rounds of tariffs negotiations.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

If we divide this in China and ex China, just in China, I think you all might have seen the recent reports from the political meeting suggesting mild economic incentives. And this is because in the 2025, the Chinese government has achieved the GDP growth over 5%. So this is we don't expect a lot of change, but mild incentives. Secondly, I think they also emphasized industry capacity rationalization under the anti involution policy, which affects steel. I think some might think this is negative for us, but quite on the contrary, what happens is the mills which are left outstanding, they will probably going to have higher margins.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

With higher margins, they will need more productivity. And with more productivity, they will need higher quality ores. And that actually is very positive for us in Vale specifically. More specifically looking to the Chinese steel mill and starting with crude steel production, one may see that according to the National Bureau of Statistics in China, crude steel production has declined by 3% year on year. But here's the caveat, When we look into pig iron production, which is the steel which is produced with iron ore, the decline has been only of 0.8%.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

That indicates that the bulk of the crude steel decline has come from scrap based electric arc furnaces. I think important to think that blast furnaces, the integrated processes are more competitive these days than the electric arc furnaces one factors in the demand for seaborne iron ore. I think other than that, the more traditional indicators did not offer much of a surprise when you're looking into fixed asset investments, steel mills profitability or even steel inventory, I think there was no surprise there. I think there has been not much change into the Chinese market. Regarding iron ore, still enjoying, I think still very stable from what we've seen in the past.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

Imports of iron ore, iron ore inventory at ports, hanging around 140,000,000 tons. So no real surprise. I think the point to highlight here is the ex China and that connects a bit with the previous question on pellets. The exports coming out of China, which we forecast will exceed 100,000,000 tons for this year are impacting negatively crude steel production and productivity requirements to that extent outside of China. But what I would like to highlight on the positive side is India.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

India crude steel production has increased by about by over 9% this year, which is very significant. And thus, a lot of iron ore from India, which was going to the seaboard market is actually coming out. And more importantly, India is opening up for imports, especially for our kind of ores, which are very complementary to their ores in terms of chemistry, in terms of size distribution. So this year, we anticipate that we'll be selling to India more than 10,000,000 tons and we expect to grow this over the next years as we partner with some of the Chinese players. All in all, I think the way we look at it is despite the volatility that I mentioned in the beginning is that the global iron ore market is balanced.

[Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale]

To your second question, I think it's a very good one. Capane M and Cerraso will be part of a broader portfolio design. When we look into how we define products, market regions to sell, marketing channels, Carpanema and Serra Sul will be integrated into the broader supply chain, and we'll define how to better allocate it. So depending obviously on steel margins, depending on premiums. So this is part of the broader portfolio optimization.

[Operator]

Next question from Caio Greene with UBS.

[Caio Greiner, Equity Research Director at UBS Group]

So two questions on iron ore. The first one, on the production outlook, it's actually great to see the higher production coming in, Capanema and Brucutu and the Northern Range also performing quite well. But, I mean, production growth year to date has has been quite low. Right? So I just wanted to get an update from you on the ramp up expectations of your of your of your multiple assets looking into the second half of the year and into 2026, you're arguably tracking in line with your 2025 guidance.

[Caio Greiner, Equity Research Director at UBS Group]

But for 2026, the question is, I mean, it implies a 20,000,000 ton growth when you think about the midrange. So I just wanted to hear from you if you remain confident on your three forty million to three sixty million tons guidance, which again implies a relevant growth from where we are. And is that Vale's plan under pretty much any iron ore price scenario? Or could we see lower depending on market conditions if we see iron ore prices moving to $90 per ton next year, for example, is this still going to be with the level of production that we should be looking at? And the second one, which is also related, but on the Caves decree, just wanted to get an update from you in terms of how the conversations and and engagement with the government has been evolving in recent months.

[Caio Greiner, Equity Research Director at UBS Group]

It's argue arguably taking longer than expected. So I wanted to get this update and also also hear from you if Vale is already working with the possibility of not getting this decree and what could be the eventual implications for the company if that's the case? Thank you very much.

[Carlos Medeiros, EVP - Operations at Vale]

So regarding the new projects, Capanema and Vargem Grande, they continue to ramp up as planned. So to give you numbers, at Carpanema, we have already produced a little bit more than 1,000,000 tons. And as a matter of fact, we are ahead of schedule in our ramp up curve in Carpanema. At Vargem Grande, we are slightly below our ramp up curve, but all in all, we remain confident that we will achieve the 3.25%, 3.35% guidance for 2025. As far as 2026 is concerned, we remain also confident that the $340,000,000 to $360,000,000 guidance is achievable and we'll provide a more accurate number during the Vale Day later in the year.

[Carlos Medeiros, EVP - Operations at Vale]

On the Capes decrease, I will hand over now to Gustavo that will talk about it. Thank you.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Caio, Gustavo here. Just to complement on the prior one, and then I'll talk about the caves. But we'll continue to play value over volume as we always did, right? Remember last year, Q4, we removed 8,000,000 tons from the market because it didn't make sense for us to place those volumes. So we continue to be highly disciplined.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

I think one of the beauties of Vale vis a vis competitors is that we can bring projects online with a substantially lower capital intensity. If you look at Capanema, Vargen Grande, ones we brought, it is probably onefour of a typical capital intensity that you're going to see in a similar iron ore projects globally. So that allows us, for example, to operate with a CapEx level that is substantially lower than our competitors, freeing up free cash flow to our shareholders. I think that's something that it's also always very important to remind. And but bringing those projects makes sense because it does bring us more flexibility to play value over volume as we go along.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

And Rogerio highlighted some of those benefits today. On the Caves Decree, look, we are hopeful. We'll continue to monitor. It's certainly an initiative that is led by the government. What we would like to say is that if we look in the last couple of years, we've taken a lot of actions internally to improve the way we process the license, the way we prepare ourselves for the licensing process in terms of anticipating some of those issues.

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

We also worked very closely with the environmental bodies at the state and federal levels. And if you look at the status today, is that the licensing process for Vale projects have improved vis a vis where we were two years ago. And we're seeing this as part of the operational stability of the company. We think we can improve even further by modernizing the Caves Decree, and that's what we are working and hopeful that we can have as an outcome. To your question on are we prepared for a new Caves Decree scenario?

[Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale]

Yes. The team and ourselves, we continue to work under any scenario. Even under a new cave decrease scenario, we will make sure that we deliver on our long term targets. And we're developing alternatives plans as we go along to make sure we have a very resilient master plan and production plan.

[Operator]

Next question from Caio Ribeiro with Bank of America.

[Caio Ribeiro, Analyst at Bank of America]

Hello, everyone. Thanks for the opportunity. So my first question is on copper. It's pretty clear that the company is focused on extracting growth from projects in Brazil like Bacaba, Pola Franco and Pristalino, among others. And these, they tend to be smaller deposits, especially in comparison to Hu in Indonesia, right?

[Caio Ribeiro, Analyst at Bank of America]

So I just wanted to see if you could provide some color as to what drives that preference to develop several relatively smaller deposits as opposed to focusing on one larger project like Ruu in Indonesia and possibly even under a JV structure, right, to mitigate the execution risk of developing a larger project similar to what other miners have been doing? And then secondly on Thompson, if you could discuss how the strategic review of that asset is going, what would be the preferred avenue to explore with this asset? And if whatever option is chosen with Thompson, if that could be an indication of future plans with other assets in Canada? Thank you.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

Hi. Some good questions. So firstly, on the copper side, I wouldn't think of these things as a bipolar choice, like it's I'm only going to do big or I'm only going to do small. I think you have to be focused on value and and execution. So if you think of the sector, I do believe the data will show that the sector's ability to deliver new projects has been pretty bad.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And I think the capital overruns, particularly on large projects, has been in the order on average of about 40%. And so, when we look at our best way to unlock copper growth and create value, we heard from Gustavo earlier on the capital intensity of the copper. It's quite clear that we've got regional presence we've had for decades there. We have infrastructure, we've got know how we've got capability. So I think about risk as much as anything on our ability to deliver into that and what can we do by ways of returns.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

And so those projects that we're looking at, and I'll use Bukava as an example, because when I first arrived here in October, it would have been my second week, I looked at what was presented on that project. And it was a very different construct at that time with nearly double the capital intensity to what we've been able to do through working through that. And we're seeing lots of opportunities. We look at Nuvokara Jas and we look at Parra as a whole to look at these things in a way which is, are we best placed on some of these to build them ourselves? Are we, like we've done elsewhere with Erocopper, better placed to partner?

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

Or are we better placed to perhaps contract mine? And I guess my point is, we have to look at this as both miners and investors to find the best path forward. We've just finished a life of business planning. We're going to evolve that. We're seeing opportunities to significantly improve, I think, the risk profile and the economics, and that's something we'll talk about more at Validay, so stay tuned.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

But I do think you shouldn't underestimate both the capital intensity, the risk and the value potential of that district in there, and that's the reason we're focusing on that. HUU, I mentioned earlier in the year, we initiated that strategic review. And one of the possibilities, exactly what you said, it could be some sort of joint venture from a risk and reward basis. It would be inappropriate or premature to sort of foreshadow where we're going to get to. And we will certainly communicate where we've got to with that review, which is in an advanced stage now in the back half of this year.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

But just to remind us of what we're talking about, 300 to 400,000 tonnes of copper over 400,000 ounces of gold, first half of the cost curve, give or take $5,000,000,000 or so, and nearly half a century of life. You don't get off assets like that every day. Obviously, there's a lot of work to do, and we'll communicate that at the right time. We have not built that into the guidance or in the projections that we shared at Vale Day, but it's clearly an intrinsically valuable asset. So just to summarize, we can walk and chew gum.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

We are looking at these things as investors and portfolio managers as much as we are as miners. And I think the themes that you've drawn out are very consistent with how we're trying to grow copper, not just in power, but in general. On Thompson, we, at around a similar time, initiated that review. It's at an advanced stage. We are still looking at multiple futures in there, and we'll look to communicate where we get to on that because it will be inappropriate commercially to update you at this stage, but we should be able to update you in the next quarter.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

That's progressing well. I just want to pay tribute to my GM and the teams there who've had to deal with devastating wildfires in the province and have done a remarkable job of safety leadership and keeping both employees and communities safe. But that's well advanced. It is on track. And I think you shouldn't read across necessarily any one action from a portfolio optimization point of view, whether it's Thomson or others.

[Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale]

We call Thomson as a huge endowment. It's one of the assets that is not polymetallic. We're looking to optimize our portfolio and our capital allocation, and we're continuing to look beyond these to see what are the right things to do with our projects portfolio, our exploration portfolio and our assets before our focus now is on optimizing each asset in the portfolio.

[Operator]

This concludes today's question and answer session. Vale's conference is now concluded. We thank you for your participation, and wish you a nice day.

Participants

Analysts

• Gustavo Pimenta, CEO at Vale
• Marcelo Bacci, Executive VP of Finance & Investor Relations at Vale
• Marcio Farid Filho, Vice President at Goldman Sachs
• Rogério Nogueira, EVP - Commercial & Development at Vale
• Shaun Usmar, CEO - Vale Base Metals Ltd at Vale
• Rodolfo De Angele, Latam Oil, Gas, Metals & Mining Analyst at JP Morgan
• Amos Fletcher, Director - Equity Research at Barclays
• Leonardo Correa, Associate Partner Equity Research at BTG Pactual
• Daniel Sasson, Head of Latam Steel, Mining, Pulp, Paper & Agribusiness and Cement at Itau BBA
• Carlos de Alba, Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley
• Carlos Medeiros, EVP - Operations at Vale
• Rafael Barcellos, Head of LatAm Metals & Mining, Pulp & Paper and Cement - Senior Equity Research Analyst at Bradesco BBI
• Caio Greiner, Equity Research Director at UBS Group
• Caio Ribeiro, Analyst at Bank of America