Archer Aviation Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Management highlighted unprecedented federal support—including presidential executive orders, FAA rule changes, and a White House task force—driving a national imperative to scale air taxi operations by 2028.
  • Positive Sentiment: Archer now has six additional Midnight aircraft in production with three in final assembly, bringing the total fleet nearing eight units as its high-volume facility ramps up.
  • Positive Sentiment: The company commenced piloted flight testing, initially focusing on conventional takeoff and landing with multiple pilots, and expanded its test campaign to extreme heat conditions in Abu Dhabi.
  • Positive Sentiment: Global Launch Edition Program partnerships—secured with Abu Dhabi Aviation, Ethiopia, and Indonesia—are set to generate tens of millions in early revenue as infrastructure and pilot training ramp.
  • Positive Sentiment: With a record $1.7 billion in cash and equivalents, Archer boasts the strongest liquidity position in the sector, supporting its aggressive manufacturing, commercial, and defense initiatives.
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Archer Aviation Q2 2025
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Operator

Good afternoon. Thank you for attending today's Archer Aviation Q2 twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Tamiya, and I'll be the moderator for today's I'd now like to pass it over to Eric Lentel. Please go ahead.

Eric Lentell
Eric Lentell
Chief Legal & Strategy Officer at Archer Aviation

Thanks for joining Archer's earnings call. This is Eric Lentel, Archer's Chief Legal and Strategy Officer. During the call, we will be making forward looking statements. These statements are based on assumptions as of today, and we do not undertake any obligation to update them as a result of new information or future events. There are risks and uncertainties that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by the statements.

Eric Lentell
Eric Lentell
Chief Legal & Strategy Officer at Archer Aviation

For more information about these risks and uncertainties, review the risk factors in our SEC filings. We will also be discussing both GAAP and non GAAP financial measures on the call. A reconciliation of those financial measures is included in our shareholder letter and earnings release from today. And now I'll turn it over to Adam. Adam?

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Thanks, Eric. We are living through the re industrialization of America. Just ten years ago, the best and brightest minds in the country were building SaaS products, marketplaces, consumer electronics. Now think of what's going on today.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

We are building flying cars, modular reactors and autonomous fighter jets. The new heroes of today aren't influencers, they're builders. People like Palmer Lucky, Alex Karp and Zuck. If you're listening to this while trading on Robinhood or doomscrolling Reddit, I would encourage you to put your phone down, pick up a tool belt and come build a future world with us and others out there doing it. What a time to be alive.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

All right, let's dive in. This quarter we made some tremendous strides in ramping our manufacturing, which we highlighted in our shareholder letter today. First, I want to step back to talk about how unprecedented the level of support is for our sector within the highest levels of the U. S. Government.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

There has been a clear shift in our industry from ambition to execution focused on scaling commercial air taxi operations in The U. S. And select forward leaning cities around the world. First, there were multiple presidential executive orders directing an imperative for U. S.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Leadership in advanced aviation. Second, showcasing air taxis at the twenty twenty eight LA Olympics was made a national priority. And third, there was a series of unprecedented changes to FAA rules that will help unlock near term commercial ops in The US. Just a few weeks ago, I was in DC meeting with Vice President, JD Vance, FAA and DOT leadership, and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. I left more convinced than ever.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

This is the most coordinated national effort in modern aviation history. My message to them was simple. Archer is committed to furthering America's lead in advanced aviation by building and deploying EV tools here at home and then exporting that innovation globally. The Olympics mandate has become a national stage to showcase air taxis at scale. Two years ago, the FAA published its Innovate '28 roadmap for scaling EVTEL ops in American cities by 2028.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Earlier this quarter, the LA twenty eight Olympics announced that they selected Archer to be the official exclusive air taxi provider for the games. And just last week, a new executive order established a White House task force personally led by President Trump and the Vice President to ensure maximum safety, secure borders and world class transportation at the twenty twenty eight LA Olympics. This level of commitment is allowing us to rally our infrastructure partners, supply chain and the FAA around a national priority. Our existing infrastructure partners, SoFi Stadium and USC, as well as new real estate groups are working with us to prepare over a dozen eVTOL vertiports to support Archer operations. Our key suppliers are ramping production and component level certification to align with our manufacturing scaling timelines.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

And the FAA is working closely with our teams to advance midnight certification to support our operational readiness. The executive order in June crafted in partnership with the White House, DOT and FAA is the most significant federal action to date in the eBetol sector. It establishes a national directive for American dominance in this industry and a presidential imperative to begin air taxi deployments in The U. S. As early as next year.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

These early operations will allow us to validate Midnight's performance, safety and scalability in real world conditions in advance of the games. But to make all of this a reality, we must quickly ramp manufacturing to support our certification programs and early commercial deployments. Tom will unpack the details, but here's the headline. We now have six more Midnight aircraft in various stages of production with three of those in final assembly across our facilities. When those are complete, that will bring our Midnight fleet to a total of eight aircraft.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Each of those will carry our production four bladed rear propeller design and will either go directly into certification flight testing or early commercial deployment. Completion of these aircraft will bring our fleet to eight Midnight aircraft. The capital we have deployed over the last few years to build out our test and manufacturing is now paying dividends. We are the only ones in the eVTOL sector capable of executing what we are doing today. Using a golden line approach as a blueprint to scale our high volume facility.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

If you remember, we began construction on our high volume facility in Covington in early twenty twenty three. Our team built that in two years at a record pace. And no other company in the eVTOL sector has even started construction on a comparable facility. We are pacing the industry. And location matters too.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

The FAA's Atlanta Aircraft Certification Office manages our certification program and our Covington site is located in the suburb on the Eastern Side Of Atlanta. The proximity enables frequent on-site engagement as we work through our certification program. Further, we began working on our production certificate in January and the FAA is conducting regular reviews and inspections with our team as we go through these early builds. The goal here is to ensure we are aligning the progression of our type certification with our production certificate so that we can ramp manufacturing as soon as we receive midnight's type certification. This quarter, we also commenced the piloted flight phase of our flight test campaign.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

By design, we deliberately started with conventional takeoff and landing flights as Midnight is uniquely capable of handling both vertical and conventional takeoff and landing as part of normal operations. In recent years, our flight test campaigns have predominantly focused on VTOL and transition to wing borne flight. As we eye TIA later this year, it was essential to first work through the CTOL campaign. The good news is that we are rapidly progressing through the flight envelope, hardening the aircraft's ability to handle our expected commercial operations. For example, we've recently focused on flights in the 20 to 30 mile range, which are representative of many of our planned commercial operations.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

We also expanded our flight test program internationally with our first launch edition operations in The UAE, where we first focused on testing midnight's performance in Abu Dhabi's extreme summer heat. This is important to validate Midnight's safety and reliability in high heat, high humidity conditions essential for regulatory approval and subsequent commercial operations across the region. We plan to deploy several of these early aircraft commercially under our Launch Edition Program with strategic partners ahead of FAA type certification. We've announced three Launch Edition Program partners so far, with the first being in The UAE, the second being in Ethiopia and most recently Indonesia. Demand from global operators and governments continue to grow.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

This summer we signed definitive agreements with Abu Dhabi Aviation and the Abu Dhabi Investment Office and kicked off operations under our first Launch Edition program in The UAE. This unlocks a multi year commercial partnership that I expect will generate tens of millions of dollars for Archer with initial payments expected later this year. Let's run through some of the key activities from this launch program. Delivering our first midnight aircraft and began flight testing with the GCAA in June. Deploying our first flight simulator with Etihad, which our teams will be using to build local readiness across pilot training.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Converting existing aviation infrastructure into turnkey eVTOL VERTA ports in partnership with local stakeholders including Jet X, The UAE's leading FBO operator. Over the next several years, expect to see us continue to ready infrastructure, deliver additional midnight aircraft to the region and begin early exhibition flights with passengers ahead of more robust commercial operations under authorization from the GCAA. We also expanded Launch Edition into Asia, beginning with Indonesia, anchored by Jakarta, one of the world's fastest growing mega cities and Bali, a high demand destination with limited access options. You can expect to see us both announce more global launch edition partners and continue to grow our multibillion dollar order book with the world's top governments and airlines. As we partner with the countries at the highest level of government, our growing commercial momentum is also attracting defense momentum.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

For over a century, every major conflict has been defined by a breakthrough in military technology. World War II introduced the fighter jet. The Gulf War showcased precision guided munitions and stealth. Drones reshaped the war on terror. Today, the war in Ukraine is being fought in real time with unmanned systems and satellite linked targeting.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

The next paradigm shift will be defined by advanced vertical lift. The U. S. And its allies, however, are still reliant on legacy platforms such as the Chinook and Blackhawk, expensive older technology from the 60s and 70s. But future conflicts will be won with low cost, low thermal, low acoustic systems capable of rapidly moving through contested airspace without risking human pilots.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Over the last eighteen months, I've learned from the global defense industry that our customers demand a purpose built system designed to stay relevant for decades. You cannot simply slap a heavy fuel powertrain onto an existing eVTOL design. I am confident that Archer's technology positions us at the forefront of that shift, delivering the speed, agility and deployability modern militaries will require to win. To accelerate our progress, we completed two strategic acquisitions this quarter. First, we acquired a key patent portfolio and technical team from OverAir, a Carrom aircraft spin off focused on advanced fixed wing and rotary wing platforms powered by high efficiency tiltrotors.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Second, we bought a supplier of specialized defense composite manufacturing capabilities in house by acquiring a 60,000 square foot facility in Southern California from mission critical composites. These moves continue to build our proprietary moat as we push to meet the demands of our growing defense pipeline. Following recent meetings in Washington with Secretary Hegsef and Secretary of the Army Dan Driscoll, it's clear that Archer Defense is positioned to become a strategic pillar of our business. With over $1,700,000,000 in liquidity, we're not waiting on the future of aviation. We're building it now at global scale. This is what execution looks like. Over to Tom.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Thanks, Adam. The progress at Archer continues at an unprecedented pace. It's incredibly motivating to work with what I believe to be the best team in the world to turn the vision of advanced air mobility into an everyday reality across both commercial and defense. This past quarter, Benjamin Lyon also further integrated into his role as President, Aircraft OEM, bringing decades of leadership experience from Apple and more recently as CTO at Aptiv. Partnering with Benjamin and the additional team members he has brought in has already meaningfully accelerated our progress across engineering, manufacturing and certification.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Since 2018, we've been relentlessly focused on finding the most efficient path to making urban air mobility a reality. We have worked tirelessly on the engineering front to ensure Archer leads the way in this new sector. We've outpaced the competition through a series of deliberate choices from our design to our manufacturing build out to our approach to certification and flight testing. Watching our Chief Test Pilot, Jeff Greenwood, take midnight to the skies this quarter marked a defining moment for our flight test program as he stood on the shoulders of all that we've achieved over the last seven years. This piloted phase of our program, like everything else we do, intentionally builds on years of safe autonomous flight testing across our various aircraft platforms, which validated our proprietary 12 tilt six VTOL configuration.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Here's how we got here and why I believe we're leading the industry with our pace of progress. I joined Archer in 2019 after spending nearly a decade working on this technology. With a small team of elite engineers, we went from a clean sheet to the first flight of our full scale 12 tilt six eVTOL aircraft, Maker, in 2021. In 2022, less than a year later, we completed the full months long transition test campaign on Maker, making Archer one of the first eVTOL companies to achieve that milestone. In parallel, we matured our production aircraft platform, Midnight, and it took flight in late twenty twenty three.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Just seven months later, in June 2024, Midnight became the largest eVTOL by gross weight to complete transition, an unmatched technical achievement. I have highlighted this point before and continue to do so because what I've learned from building more eVTOL aircraft across more programs than anyone else in the world over the last fifteen years is that an aircraft of at least 6,000 pounds will be critical to being able to carry economically viable passenger payloads. Then by fall twenty twenty four, we had already surpassed 400 test flights for the year, months ahead of schedule. Those flights demonstrated Midnight's ability to do high rate operations and advanced landing profiles, validated acoustic performance and demonstrated robustness to critical failures, all while optimizing Midnight's control loss. This pace set us up to achieve the two critical milestones Adam highlighted for our flight test program this quarter, flying Midnight with multiple pilots and commencing our first launch edition program by beginning international flights in Abu Dhabi.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Let's dive deeper into both of those. Our inaugural piloted flight was flown by Jeff Greenwood, who has been at the helm of some of the industry's most pivotal flight test programs. When he landed after his first flight piloting midnight, which hits speeds of a 125 miles per hour and altitude of over 1,500 feet, I'll never forget his first comment. Midnight flew just like the simulator. And that's exactly what you wanna hear for any test flight.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

This level of consistency isn't a coincidence. It's the product of our team's engineering and operational excellence with unmatched attention to detail and dedication to safety. While we designed Midnight to fly predominantly vertical takeoff and landing operations, it's important that the initial phase of our piloted flight test program with Midnight focus on conventional takeoff and landing operations for two reasons. First, throughout Midnight's design and certification process, regulators, airlines and defense customers have stressed that they need us to certify both VTOL and CTAHR operations for operational flexibility and enhanced safety as well as extended range for certain missions. Second, it's the most pragmatic, safe approach to flight testing.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Our strategy has been to first validate Midnight's fixed wing flight and conventional landing performance and then return to focus on VTOL with pilots onboard. In the back half of the year, we'll continue to ramp up the pace of pilot and flight testing, rapidly expanding our performance envelope and commencing pilot and VTOL operations. In parallel, we plan to continue our international flight testing, which we kicked off in Abu Dhabi earlier this quarter as part of our launch edition programs. In early July, we flew midnight at the Al Bateen Executive Airport located in the heart of Abu Dhabi with our local customer and partners under oversight from the national regulator, the GCAA. Our initial vertical takeoff and landing testing was focused on UAE specific performance conditions, including high temperature, humidity and dust exposure as we work to ramp commercial operations in the country.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Just to give you a sense of how critical and difficult the operating environment is there, after just a few minutes on the tarmac, internal components within Midnight's avionics bay for one flight heated to just over 140 degrees Fahrenheit immediately before takeoff. We are building Midnight to operate safely at these temperatures, and it was rewarding to test our performance across these more challenging conditions. Over the coming quarters in The UAE, you can expect that we will expand on our in country operations, including pilot training, MRO setup and flight testing, all in support of gathering additional data to inform our certification and commercialization plans in both The UAE and The U. S. As Adam mentioned, we announced today that we are currently producing six midnight aircraft, three of which are in final assembly across our facilities.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Each of those aircraft will feature our production four blade rear propeller and will go directly into vertical takeoff and landing flight testing. We are building these across our facilities in both Silicon Valley and Georgia. We continue to be focused on developing the capabilities required to achieve a rate of 50 aircraft per year across our nearly three quarters of a million square feet of manufacturing and test facilities. During this new product introduction phase of our Midnight program, we are starting with our golden manufacturing line at one of our Silicon Valley facilities. This pilot line is where our engineering and manufacturing teams work together to refine the build process and equipment to ensure we can build the aircraft efficiently with high quality.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

We then leverage this playbook developed in California along with all the lessons learned in the ramp of our high volume manufacturing operations in Georgia. In the early months of our operations at Georgia, we have focused on dialing in the manufacturing processes related to Midnight's fuselage as this is the core part of the aircraft where the majority of the aircraft systems are installed. All of this flight testing and manufacturing progress is enabling the continued rapid advancement of our Midnight certification programs with the FAA in The U. S. And the GCAA in The UAE.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

On the FAA certification front, as we've discussed on our most recent calls, we are primarily focused on the fourth and final phase of Midnight Certification Program, with the FAA having now approved about 15% of our compliance verification documents. The executive order that Adam mentioned, along with our quickly advancing piloted flight test campaign, have meaningfully accelerated our progress with the FAA. Over the past few months, we have successfully completed several SOI-three audits, including one for our in house developed powertrain software and hardware. These SOI three audits cover software testing and verification and are the penultimate step before the final certification review at SOI four. On the airframe certification side, we have now completed all of the composite material coupon testing for certifying Midnight's primary structure.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

This data from over 2,000 individual tests is in hand and certification test reports are now being finalized to provide to the FAA. This past quarter, we have also taken several steps aligning with the FAA on TIA entrance criteria and execution plans as we approach this next key phase of midnight certification. As has been our plan all along, we have agreed with the FAA to have multiple TIAs on the program, each targeting a specific system or set of systems in order to efficiently move through the work as certification test data for each area is matured in parallel. We believe our rigorous and collaborative approach with the FAA is setting the standard for the industry. In The UAE, we delivered midnight to Abu Dhabi and commenced flight testing in the region, our relationship with the GCA.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Over the coming months, we will continue our flight test campaign in the country as we work closely with the regulators to receive authorization for commercial flights ahead of FAA certification. Finally, let's discuss our progress on the defense side of the house. We are rapidly maturing the design of our new hybrid electric aircraft. While I can't share details on the mission parameters or aircraft requirements due to the sensitive nature of the development, what I can share is that we are focused on building a revolutionary aircraft, not simply a hybridized version of an eVTOL. That's why we made two strategic acquisitions in this space over the last few months.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Just a few days ago, we highlighted two of those, OverAir and mission critical composites. We acquired OverAir's patent portfolio and hired critical employees from OverAir, a spin off of Carrom Aircraft founded by Abe Carrom, who invented the predator drone and is regarded as the founding father of drone technology with decades of experience with DARPA and the DoD. We believe this technology will accelerate our path to market with our defense aircraft and can also be utilized in future commercial variants of Midnight. We also acquired key manufacturing assets and a roughly 60,000 square foot defense specialized composite manufacturing facility from Mission Critical Composites in Southern California. These assets bring core composite fabrication capabilities in house, supporting our defense program needs for rapid prototyping and iteration.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Momentum is strong on the defense platform. We're excited about the path ahead, we'll continue to share more details in the back half of this year. And now, I'll turn it over to Priya to talk about the financials for the quarter.

Priya Gupta
Priya Gupta
Interim CFO at Archer Aviation

Thanks Adam and Tom for the strategic insights. I'm pleased to share our record financial results for the quarter. As Adam mentioned earlier, Q2 is a pivotal quarter for Archer. We have strong momentum across all our planned lines of business, across civil and defense and domestic and international. We're capitalizing on significant tailwinds, all while maintaining our unwavering focus on operational execution and market entry.

Priya Gupta
Priya Gupta
Interim CFO at Archer Aviation

We closed Q2 twenty twenty five with $1,700,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents, marking our fourth consecutive quarter of record liquidity and means we have almost twice as much cash on hand as our next competitor in the sector. This is all made possible thanks to our successful capital raise strategy that we've executed on over the last two years, including the completion of our $850,000,000 financing in June. Our ability to raise capital in the manner we have to ensure we maintain a strong balance sheet demonstrates the institutional confidence in our strategy and our ability to execute. Despite the strength of our balance sheet, we continue to maintain our disciplined approach to capital allocation, strategically investing in the initiatives that matter most. Our financial results for Q2 twenty twenty five were in line with guidance and represent the investments made across key priorities we have highlighted over our last few calls, rapidly advancing our piloted Midnight L Taxi through early commercial deployment and certification in The U.

Priya Gupta
Priya Gupta
Interim CFO at Archer Aviation

S. And UAE, ramping our aircraft manufacturing capabilities, accelerating the development of our defense aircraft and maturing our AI software platform approach. Our net loss for Q2 twenty twenty five was $2.00 $6,000,000 and our net loss per share was $0.36 This included approximately $92,000,000 of non cash charges associated with stock based compensation and warranty valuation. Excluding these non cash charges, our adjusted net loss for Q2 twenty twenty five was $114,000,000 and our adjusted net loss per share was approximately $0.20 Our adjusted EBITDA for Q2 was a loss of $119,000,000 falling within our guided range of 100,000,000 to $120,000,000 This represents an approximately $10,000,000 increase from the previous quarter, reflecting planned investments, primarily in people related costs to support our key priorities. Our GAAP operating expenses for Q2 twenty twenty five were $176,000,000 It included approximately $52,000,000 of non cash stock based compensation related expenses, which reflects the costs associated with stock issued to our employees, non employees and vendors.

Priya Gupta
Priya Gupta
Interim CFO at Archer Aviation

GAAP operating expenses increased $32,000,000 quarter over quarter, primarily due to the increase in people related costs mentioned earlier, which reflects our accelerated progress in manufacturing, certification and other initiatives such as defense. With regards to cash burn, our cash used in operating and investing activities for Q2 twenty twenty five was $127,000,000 For Q2, our cash used in investing activities was $24,000,000 and in line with the guidance I provided in the last call. It represents an increase of $14,000,000 over the previous quarter, reflecting strategic areas of investment in the quarter, such as the acquisition of the MCC Composites manufacturing related assets, the Over Air patent portfolio for the defense program and aircraft material related purchases. As I touched on earlier, but I do think it bears repeating, even with these investments, our quarter end cash position was at record levels with an increase of $694,000,000 compared to Q1 twenty twenty five and more than quadrupled year over year. Notably, this marks our fourth consecutive quarter of simultaneously growing our cash reserves while executing on strategic business objectives.

Priya Gupta
Priya Gupta
Interim CFO at Archer Aviation

Looking ahead, our priorities for the quarter will continue into the 2025. You can also expect that we will continue to invest in the bring up of our operational footprint in UAE to execute on our launch addition and certification plans there. And we expect our UAE launch addition to start generating cash inflows later this year. We will also continue to invest in ramping our manufacturing capacity and supply chain capabilities across both Archer and key vendor facilities, all in support of our plan to ramp commercial air taxi operations for LA-twenty 8. As a result, for the upcoming quarter, we estimate our adjusted EBITDA loss to be between 110,000,000 and $130,000,000 We estimate CapEx in Q3 twenty twenty five to remain at similar levels as Q2 as we continue to build aircraft and expand investments in tooling and in equipment.

Priya Gupta
Priya Gupta
Interim CFO at Archer Aviation

Archer continues to be laser focused on executing on the most efficient path to market with a diversified business model across commercial air taxis, defense and software. We believe our investments to date in top tier talent, leading technology, manufacturing and supply chain capabilities and strategic partnerships are helping us establish a competitive moat that will deliver long term shareholder value. With that, I'll turn it back over to Adam for Q and A.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Thanks, Priya. We're going to take our first question from the Retail, and that is when will we see mass production?

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Yes. So really, when we think about mass production, we think about two different things. First is how to build the aircraft, how to actually put them together, and then second, where to deploy them.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

So one big change happened for us over the last quarter was codifying this new goal for us to be at scale at the Olympics, and that's what we're building towards today. So as we touched on in the call, there's really two phases of manufacturing that we think about. The first is building on our golden line in California. That's where our engineering and manufacturing teams work together to refine the process that we use to build the airplane, refine our overall production system, reduce labor hours in all these learnings that we can then apply in Georgia at scale. And that's what we're in the process of doing right now.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

So as you can see in our shareholder letter, we're focused on developing all those capabilities required for mass production. We're deploying those in Georgia. And all of this is because the Olympics have given us that really great single date to drive everything towards to be at scale.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Thanks, Tom. And with that, operator, if you can open the line up for questions.

Operator

Absolutely. We'll now begin the live Q The first question comes from Andre Shepherd with Cantor Fitzgerald. You may proceed.

Andres Sheppard
MD & Senior Equity Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

Hey guys, Andre here. Congratulations on the quarter and thanks for taking our questions. Since I guess I only have time for one question, maybe I'll make it a two part question, I may. Adam, curious if you can just remind us your vision for commercialization in The UAE, kind of how do you see that unfolding and what are the steps required between now and then? And maybe quickly for Tom, did I hear correctly?

Andres Sheppard
MD & Senior Equity Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald

So I'm just trying to understand like the aircraft in production currently, those will be used to test different components with with the FAA for for TIA credits? Just wanna confirm that. Thanks, guys.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Thanks, Andres. We kicked off the first of several launch edition programs earlier this summer in The UAE, and we now have signed definitive revenue generating agreements with both Abu Dhabi Aviation and Audio. And that sets us up for low tens of millions of dollars in payments over the next eighteen to twenty four months, with a portion of that starting this year. And under the launch agreements the launch additions, we've delivered our first midnight to UAE in June, and you can expect us to ramp up a small fleet in Abu Dhabi going forward. This year, we'll continue flight testing in hot weather.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

We'll train pilots with Etihad, and we'll prepare infrastructure. And if you remember on the infrastructure side, our strategy isn't to construct and certify new verdiports. We don't think that's pragmatic in a place like The UAE that has hundreds of helipads, more than 70 of which are in Abu Dhabi. What we've done is to work with the GCAA to release the world's first regulatory framework to certify existing helipads for eVTOL use. And then we're also working with a number of groups for access to their landing facilities.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

We announced several of them already. So Abu Dhabi Cruise Terminal, Falcon Aviation, who is the exclusive operator at the Corniche And Palm Jumeirah in Dubai, and Abu Dhabi Airports. And I'll let Tom answer the second part of that question. Yes. Hey, Andres.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

So as we said, we're building six aircraft right now, and those are going to be used for both FAA flight testing and some of the launch addition goals that Adam was just touching on. And and so really the strategy is the same as it's been for quite a while, where each specific aircraft has a specific test plan. And we're working to make sure that the aspects of the aircraft, the systems, the components that are required to be conformed to support that particular test are all kind of sequenced in with overall plans. And I think I highlighted earlier, we've had really good progress aligning with FAA on TIA plans. And so a lot of those details and strategy we've had kind of laid out for the past year or so has really come into fruition, which is super exciting.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Mackenzie Halloran with Needham. You may proceed.

Mackenzie Holleran
Equity Research Associate at Needham & Company

Hi. Thank you.

Mackenzie Holleran
Equity Research Associate at Needham & Company

You have Mackenzie on for Chris. So just one for me. So in order to reach the early deployments of the midnight aircraft with the DOT and FAA as soon as next year, could you just provide any color related to on the ground preparations needed to get the aircraft into commercial service? So specifically, where do things stand today on infrastructure readiness, aircraft production, and any other key milestones in order to achieve that? Thank you.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Hey, Mackenzie. This is Adam. So we have a fairly comprehensive infrastructure strategy that's in place. So we announced three VertiPort networks that encompass many locations across New York, LA, San Francisco. We're working on several others as well.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

And this infrastructure strategy focused on real estate really across four main buckets. First bucket was across the major international airports that we operate with our partners, United and Southwest. And so you can think about places like Newark and Helly X and SFO. The second one was around agreements with FBOs and portfolios around the, you know, the big market leader, Signature and Atlantic. So those are locations like Santa Monica and JFK.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

The third bucket was around municipal partnerships to install industry common chargers at city owned infrastructure. So you can think about the three heliports in Manhattan as an example, which are publicly accessible. To be clear, no one has exclusive access to any of those. And the fourth bucket were proprietary deals where our data science team surgically identified key VertiPort locations, and we formed partnerships with top tier operators, things places like SoFi Stadium or Oyster Point in San Francisco. So we've got a lot of the groundwork in place to operate there.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

And then from there, it's really getting the aircrafts in position to start operations.

Operator

Thank you. The following question comes from Edison Yu with Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Edison Yu
Edison Yu
Director at Deutsche Bank

Hey, thank you for taking our questions. First, on UAE, I'm wondering if you can give us a rough roadmap on what to expect you know, over the next, call it, twelve to eighteen months? I know you have launch edition ramping up, but just in in terms of the the flight testing, I think you also mentioned it's it's gonna get more advanced. So you share a a rough path on on what to look for, in the next kinda year, eighteen months.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Yep. Hey, Edison. This is Tom. So as we announced, we did our first flight out in The UAE, earlier this summer, which was super cool. Main goal of that was to learn about operating in the really high temperature environment out there.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Talked about that a little bit on the call. What you can expect to see later this year is more flying in The UAE back half of the year. And know, big picture, what we're trying to do is parallel our our efforts progressing both our FAA certification and UAE certification. So just like in The US with the GCAA, we've got really detailed plans put in place that we're executing against to gather all the requisite data from ground test and flight tests to support the commercial operations there ramping up over the next twelve month period you mentioned. But maybe Adam wants to chime in more about what that will look like from the commercial side.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Sure. So we will grow the fleet from now through the first half of next year. We will get the commercial authority from the GCAA to begin flying. We will start exhibition flights, and those flights will mimic the actual passenger routes on the infrastructure that I mentioned and then ultimately have the full commercial flights take place. So hopefully that gives you a little bit of a roadmap.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Amit Dayal with H. C. Wainwright. You may proceed.

Amit Dayal
Managing Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Good to see all the progress. Congratulations. So the balance sheet looks really solid, guys.

Amit Dayal
Managing Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.

You know, how much of this is gonna go towards the defense opportunity? And, you know, in with respect to that, are there any catalysts on that front that, you know, we should be looking out for?

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Yeah. Thanks for the question. We don't separate the capital in terms of commercial first defense. There's one kind of large engineering team here at Archer. The good news is as the midnight program matures, a lot of the engineers can work over on the defense part of the business too.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

So you can think about, you know, parts of the the aircraft program on the midnight aircraft, like the aero team, for example, that is more mature, can start working on the defense side after less needed on the midnight air on the midnight aircraft. A lot of the midnight team is still working on things like performance up and cost down. And as they start to roll off, they'll, you know, pick up steam on the defense side as well. As far as the defense side goes, you know, I think you can see it in looking at The US defense budgets, and there's there's a couple of pretty interesting data points. The the Pentagon requested $13,400,000,000 for autonomous military systems, of which the majority was for aircraft.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

So as you know in my previous calls, can't say much about it, but I think there's two points that are quite interesting. One is we see this as a global opportunity, not just an opportunity in The U. S. This is something that makes sense all over the world, and so that makes this opportunity quite large. And the second is, you know, our goal is really a program of record, not just a budget allocation.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

And so what we've learned, you know, over the past, you know, eighteen months in, you know, our communications with the different defense departments is that you cannot simply hybridize a passenger eVTOL. You have to build a new bespoke aircraft. And so we've been working on this for a while. I think we have a clear advantage over our peers here, and we think it represents a very exciting opportunity.

Operator

Thank you. The following comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James. You may proceed.

Savanthi Syth
Savanthi Syth
Managing Director at Raymond James Financial

Hey. Good afternoon.

Savanthi Syth
Savanthi Syth
Managing Director at Raymond James Financial

Just so based on Tom's comments, I'm guessing, you're not out of policy completely, so you don't have your kind of compliance and cert plans approved. So under this scenario, could you talk about what can be accomplished on the certification side? And then just a follow-up on the two blade versus the full blade. I was just wondering how much of a major design change that is or would that have an impact on the flying of the next few aircraft versus what you've done so far?

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

Sure. So it's Adam. I'll take the first part of that. So I think it's important to even just establish what you even mean to be in policy or out of policy. So what this is really referring to is working with the FAA on policy things like certification basis or means of compliance or certification plans.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

And so both Archer and Joby are the only two that have published airworthiness criteria. And so this means that we're really the only two in the final stages of policy. And so while we are largely done, it's not completely done. And so no OEM can fully conform an aircraft. So eighteen months ago, we announced that we were building six conforming aircraft to be used in the FAA certification process.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

And we said that each aircraft would be used for TIA testing, each one with different systems, and we expected to be out of policy with the FAA in a short period of time. But given the industry issue papers and other policy matters that we were dealing with, that affected everyone, not just Archer, that did not transpire. So as a result, we are still building six aircraft, and we expect to use those aircraft for TIA testing. And in fact, the aircraft we're flying today will be used for TIA testing likely this year. But since policy for the industry isn't done, we cannot fully conform the aircraft and finish TIA testing.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

In fact, the FAA told me directly that nobody is out of policy yet. And so that's why we introduced the concept of the launch edition, which is where we sell the aircraft in advance of the FAA type certification process, and we'll do that to countries that want to start early. It allows us to generate revenue early. There's a a list of of countries that are very excited to do this. And it and it also, sort of shows the importance of why the Olympics and the executive order, have been highlighted so much by Archer because it helps bookend this whole process with the FAA where the highest levels of government have said, this is very important to The US.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

It's very important for specific events to make sure that the policy issues all get done and are resolved. Hey, Savi. And then I guess on the second part of your question, as you know, we've been flying conventional takeoff and landing on midnight with a pilot for the last few months here, and that was really intentional. It's been the plan for a long time. Kinda to put that in context and get to your your question about the aft props, you know, we flew midnight hundreds of times over the last couple years without a pilot on board, and so we got a huge amount of data on VTOL and transition.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

So we know a lot about that flight regime. So it was really intentional to try and gather data focused on conventional takeoff and landing. One thing we did is had multiple pilots fly our airplane at this point, so we're getting feedback on landing, you know, from multiple of our test pilots. But just to be clear, every plane that we're manufacturing now is gonna have that new aft four blade propeller, and all those will likely focus on CTOL flying. That's not to say that CTOL flying is not important, both for all the reasons I mentioned and because, you know, we're gonna need to do TIA flight test for credit on the conventional takeoff and landing behavior.

Adam Goldstein
Adam Goldstein
Founder, CEO & Chairman at Archer Aviation

So all this stuff is, stuff we need to do. But then just the last point is there still is a lot we can progress, right now given where we are, with policy. And, really, the main area that we're waiting to close has to do with flight test and essentially, you know, flight test policy for the entire industry. And like Adam kinda mentioned, nobody can enter TIA if you're talking about flight performance until this is closed. And so we see a path that getting wrapped up, you know, in the in the near future and, you know, good path to finish all the testing we need to get done.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Austin Moeller with Canaccord. You may proceed.

Austin Moeller
Director - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets

Hi, good afternoon. Just my first question. So was the goal of the mission critical composites acquisition, does that enable you to vertically integrate more carbon composites for the structures? And would that enable you to manufacture composites for the passenger aircraft as well as the unmanned aircraft and therefore rely less on third party aerospace suppliers?

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Austin, thanks for the question. So as we've said many times, we think the defense opportunity is quite large and we identified the need to have rapid in house development capabilities around advanced composites. And so this was a really great way to stand up that capability. There are things we think we will learn on this fence application that we'll be able to ultimately transfer over to the civil application. And so you see this as and this is quite common in the, you know, kind of broader commercial aviation industry where defense a lot of times will lead to advancements in technologies for the civil side.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

But when we're just doing civil, it doesn't necessarily make sense for us to be doing experimental things that might not be applicable for civil. So the defense side gives us that R and D capability, allows us to move quickly and ultimately mature technologies that will be very applicable and allow us to scale ultimately on the commercial side.

Operator

Thank you. The following comes from Bill Peterson with JPMorgan. You may proceed.

Bill Peterson
Bill Peterson
Equity Research at JP Morgan

Yes. Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for all the details. I wanted to come back to a prior question on flight testing.

Bill Peterson
Bill Peterson
Equity Research at JP Morgan

And I guess with the assumption, the comments from the PIA and also locking in the propellers, when should we expect, I guess, a pilot to transition flight just full vertical takeoff and landing versus conventional? Mean, what needs to be completed ahead of this for this to be derisked? And I guess, when do you when subsequently should we expect testing midnight with FAA pilots on board?

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Yes. Well, as I just mentioned, answering Savi's question, we've done a lot of flying VTOL on Midnight in the past without a pilot onboard. So we've got a lot of data that's given us confidence in the behavior of the aircraft in that flight regime. And so, you know, that was one of the main reasons we wanted to focus on conventional takeoff and landing. So having said that, you know, we're planning to wrap up a lot of that CTOL test campaign and get back to VTOL flying with pilots on board later this year.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

But we're gonna take it step by step. Another thing I mentioned is we're building aircraft right now that will have those new aft four blade propellers, and, you know, we've got some of those propellers in hand. So all of that is sort of moving forward at pace. And so all of that positions us to, support PIA testing over the of hopefully starting end of the year and then into next year. But last context there is we really have made tremendous progress with the FAA aligning plans for all the certification flight test.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

And so each of these aircraft that we're building, we're really targeting to go achieve specific flight test objectives. I think that's the key here to get through this efficiently.

Operator

Thank you. The following comes from David Zazula with Barclays. You may proceed.

David Zazula
David Zazula
Senior eVTOL Equity Research Analyst & Transportation Associate at Barclays Capital

Hey, afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. You might have answered it earlier, but is the 15% number you mentioned during prepared remarks, is that apples to apples with the 15% figure you mentioned during 1Q? Because we have been kind of anticipating that many of the roadblocks, you know, to to progressing in acceptance had been overcome. So is it a flight test issue that is preventing more progress?

David Zazula
David Zazula
Senior eVTOL Equity Research Analyst & Transportation Associate at Barclays Capital

Just, you know, more color on that, Tom, or just, you know, reference your prior answer if if applicable. Thanks.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Yeah. Absolutely. So to put that number into context, this is the FAA accepting compliance verification documents for the aircraft. So this is like the the very last stage before TC. This is we've got data.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

It's been witnessed if it needs to be witnessed. Here you go. FA sign off. And so to answer your question, yes. We are about the same sort of percentage through that that we discussed on the last call.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

But, no, like, we we don't see that as any issue. Like, this is not something that we would expect to, you know, continuously ramp up in, like, a nice smooth curve. It'll kinda come come and go or know, move forward in chunks as we work through the various systems. And so one thing that we talked about, on on previous calls and, we talked about earlier on this call is there are still these handful of policy items open. And so on the last call, we talked about emergency landing and specifically this industry paper around twenty one zero five g.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Like we we talked about on the last call, we have gotten that issue paper, but we're still waiting for it to be finalized at stage four. And this is, like, kinda really in the weeds of FAA certification, but we know what the requirements are. We're in good shape against those. We're just waiting for the administrative process to roll through such that we can then start conforming items, making compliance findings, sending in those reports so that we can get that 15% number to pick up. So kind of in the weeds, but hopefully that gives you some context.

Operator

Thank you. The next comes from Josh Sullivan with Benchmark. You may proceed.

Josh Sullivan
Equity Research Analyst - Industrial Technology, Aerospace & Defense at The Benchmark Company LLC

Hey, good evening. Hi, Adam. Maybe a higher level question. Just how do we think about the defense opportunity at this point as you see it? You just noted that it's quite large, strong Pentagon support for the industry and budgets, a couple of high profile executive orders and now two defense acquisitions here.

Josh Sullivan
Equity Research Analyst - Industrial Technology, Aerospace & Defense at The Benchmark Company LLC

I mean, do do you think we could see Archer with anything, like, fifty fifty between commercial and defense? Or how do you see defense technology settling into the portfolio maybe longer term?

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

I'll give you a higher level answer, than just specifically defense. So, you know, when we started designing the aircraft, we assumed it would be, you know, relatively straight line through, you know, the type certification process. And as it's taken time, we announced the launch edition program. And that gave us a way to commercialize early the civil application. And so that was, I think, a creative way to find countries that wanted and saw this as a a huge opportunity and wanted a way to monetize and start operationalizing the industry very early.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

And so we've been focused on that. The second part has been obviously focusing on the type certification with the FAA here in The US, which ultimately gives you the ability to go you know, global. And so that's also been a big focus of ours. And then the third side of it has been on the defense application. Now the defense application side is not as much focused on a certification process, but more focused on a program of record.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

That stuff is very chunky. And so there's not a lot I can give to, disclose on, you know, where that's at today, but I do see it being a very large portion of the business over time. I do also think it's obvious by looking at the conflict today that there's a very real need for autonomous and attributable solutions, not just in, you know, future vertical lift, but, you know, really across many different applications. And so I do think it'll continue to be something we focus on. I think it has the opportunity to be very large and very large in the early parts of the Archer revenue generating process, but we'll have to wait and see how that all shakes out before we say too much.

Operator

Thank you. There are currently no further questions queued. So I will now pass it back to Adam Goldstein, CEO, for closing remarks.

Tom Muniz
Tom Muniz
Chief Technology Officer at Archer Aviation

Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We're building the future of aviation now. We're not waiting for it. And each quarter, we're proving what's possible in this new era for our industry. I look forward to sharing our progress with you next quarter. Thanks.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.

Executives
    • Eric Lentell
      Eric Lentell
      Chief Legal & Strategy Officer
    • Adam Goldstein
      Adam Goldstein
      Founder, CEO & Chairman
    • Tom Muniz
      Tom Muniz
      Chief Technology Officer
    • Priya Gupta
      Priya Gupta
      Interim CFO
Analysts
    • Andres Sheppard
      MD & Senior Equity Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald
    • Mackenzie Holleran
      Equity Research Associate at Needham & Company
    • Edison Yu
      Director at Deutsche Bank
    • Amit Dayal
      Managing Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.
    • Savanthi Syth
      Managing Director at Raymond James Financial
    • Austin Moeller
      Director - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets
    • Bill Peterson
      Equity Research at JP Morgan
    • David Zazula
      Senior eVTOL Equity Research Analyst & Transportation Associate at Barclays Capital
    • Josh Sullivan
      Equity Research Analyst - Industrial Technology, Aerospace & Defense at The Benchmark Company LLC