Lumentum Q4 2025 Earnings Report

Lumentum EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.88
• Consensus EPS: $0.79
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.09
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.06

Lumentum Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $480.70 million
• Expected Revenue: $465.27 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$15.43 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +55.90%

Lumentum Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2025
• Date: 8/12/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 5:00PM ET

Lumentum (NASDAQ:LITE) manufactures and sells optical and photonic products in the Americas, the Asia-Pacific, Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. The company operates through two segments: Optical Communications (OpComms) and Commercial Lasers (Lasers). The OpComms segment offers components, modules, and subsystems that enable the transmission and transport of video, audio, and data over high-capacity fiber optic cables. It offers tunable transponders, transceivers, and transmitter modules; tunable lasers, receivers, and modulators; transport products, such as reconfigurable optical add/drop multiplexers, amplifiers, and optical channel monitors, as well as components, including 980nm, multi-mode, and Raman pumps; and switches, attenuators, photodetectors, gain flattening filters, isolators, wavelength-division multiplexing filters, arrayed waveguide gratings, multiplex/de-multiplexers, and integrated passive modules. This segment also provides Super Transport Blade, which integrates optical transport functions into a single-slot blade; vertical-cavity surface-emitting lasers; directly modulated and electro-absorption modulated lasers; and laser illumination sources for 3D sensing systems. It serves customers in telecommunications, data communications, and consumer and industrial markets. The Commercial Lasers segment offers diode-pumped solid-state, fiber, diode, direct-diode, and gas lasers, such as argon-ion and helium-neon lasers for use in original equipment manufacturer applications. It serves customers in markets and applications, such as sheet metal processing, general manufacturing, biotechnology, solar cell processing, graphics and imaging, remote sensing, and precision machining. Lumentum Holdings Inc. was incorporated in 2015 and is headquartered in San Jose, California.

Lumentum Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Positive Sentiment: Lumentum’s cloud and networking segment delivered $424.1 million in Q4 revenue, up 67% YoY and 16% sequentially, driven by record EML shipments and a large 200 Gbps EML order, with a breakout in laser chip sales expected in FY 2026.
• Positive Sentiment: Optical circuit switches (OCS) achieved first revenues in Q4 with two hyperscale customers, added a third for 2026 deployment, and Lumentum is accelerating in-house OCS capacity to capture this emerging multibillion-dollar market.
• Positive Sentiment: The company secured its largest-ever purchase commitment for ultra-high-power lasers in the co-packaged optics space and is investing in a U.S. indium phosphide wafer fab to support a significant CPO ramp in 2026.
• Neutral Sentiment: Industrial Tech revenue declined 6% sequentially (up 6% YoY) due to seasonal trends, but segment profitability improved through cost reductions and the launch of the PicoVelet Core ultrafast laser platform.
• Positive Sentiment: For Q1 FY 2026, Lumentum forecasts revenue of $510–$540 million, targets >40% gross margin and >16–17.5% non-GAAP operating margin, and expects to surpass a $600 million quarterly revenue run rate by June or earlier.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Lumentum Holdings Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year twenty twenty five Earnings Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please also note today's event is being recorded for replay purposes. Session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference call over to Kathy Ta, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. Ta, please go ahead.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thank you, Reagan, and welcome to Lumentum's fiscal fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty five earnings call. This is Kathy Ta, Lumentum's Vice President of Investor Relations. Joining me today are Michael Hurlston, president and chief executive officer, Wajid Ali, executive vice president and chief financial officer, and Wu Pan Yuan, president cloud and networking. Today's call will include forward looking statements, including, without limitation, statements regarding our future operating results, strategies, trends, and expectations for our products and technologies that are being made under the safe harbor of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations, particularly the risk factors set forth in our SEC filings under risk factors and elsewhere.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

We encourage you to review our most recent filings with the SEC, particularly the risk factors described in our most recent 10 Q and in our 10 ks for the fiscal year ended 06/28/2025, to be filed by Lumentum with the SEC. The forward looking statements provided during this call are based on Momentum's reasonable beliefs and expectations as of today. Momentum undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements except as required by applicable law. Please also note that unless otherwise stated, all financial results and projections discussed in this call are non GAAP. Non GAAP financials have inherent limitations and are not to be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for or superior to financials prepared in accordance with GAAP.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

You can find a reconciliation between non GAAP and GAAP measures and information about our use of non GAAP measures and factors that could impact our financial results in our press release and our filings with the SEC. The Mentum's press release with the fiscal fourth quarter and full fiscal year results and accompanying supplemental slides are available on our website at www.momentum.com under the investor section. We encourage you to review these materials carefully. With that, I'll call I'll turn the call over to Michael.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Thank you, Kathy, and good afternoon, everyone. Momentum is at the forefront of the cloud and AI revolution, which is driving rapid growth in the advanced photonics markets we serve. As AI becomes central to our customers' business strategies, demand for optical hardware and bandwidth is growing dramatically. Our innovation is driving the next generation of AI infrastructure with technologies such as 200 gig EMLs, 1.6 t transceivers, optical circuit switches, and ultra high power lasers for co packaged optics, all of which are essential for building scalable, energy efficient systems. Our years of optical engineering leadership provide us with a significant competitive advantage as AI architectures evolve.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

These new technologies are projected to become multibillion dollar markets within five years. With a uniquely differentiated portfolio, Lumentum is positioned to capture significant value from this inflection, driving strong revenue growth, expanding margins, increasing profitability, all of which are elements of the long term financial model we laid out in April. Cloud revenue is growing well over 20% annually. Company gross margins are set to surpass 40%. And through a combination of high value products and disciplined cost management, we are targeting operating margins above 20%.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

The slope of our cloud facing revenue is increasing. We now expect to surpass $600,000,000 in quarterly revenue by the June or earlier. Let's turn to our fourth quarter results. In early June, we raised our fourth quarter revenue and EPS outlook. Our cloud and networking performance drove Q4 revenue above even the high end of our revised expectations.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Fourth quarter revenue from our cloud and networking segment increased 16% sequentially and 67% year over year, led by exceptional demand from hyperscale cloud customers. The outperformance was largely driven by our cloud facing components and transceiver product lines. In components, we achieved an all time high in EML shipments, nearly doubling the revenue compared to our June 2024 baseline. Our wafer fab expansion is progressing on schedule, enabling us to support higher volumes of EMLs and other indium phosphide based devices, including CW lasers and coherent components. Recently, we received a substantial order for 200 gig line speed EML chips, which we expect to fill in the December.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Overall, we expect 2026 to be a breakout year for laser chip sales of both one hundred and two hundred gig lane speeds. Shipments of our narrow linewidth lasers, which are critical components for ZR and ZR plus modules, have now grown for six consecutive quarters. While our manufacturing capacity for these laser assemblies continues to ramp, demand is outpacing supply and is expected to do so through the rest of fiscal twenty twenty six. In addition, we saw sequential growth in shipments of other coherent components for long haul data transmission as well as in pump lasers for subsea and terrestrial applications. This momentum in our components business reflects the accelerating global build out of cloud infrastructure and highlights Momentum's key role in powering that expansion.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

We are also positioning ourselves for longer term growth, particularly in three significant areas, cloud modules, optical circuit switching, and co packaged optics. In cloud modules, we surpassed our goal goal to grow revenue by 50% quarter over quarter. This contributed approximately half of the sequential revenue growth in the period. We shipped cloud modules to all three of our major hyperscale customers, and we expect shipments to grow sequentially in the coming quarters. In optical circuit switches, or OCS, we recognized our first revenue in the quarter with shipments to two hyperscale customers.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Not only is our order book expanding with these two customers, but we now have a third hyperscale customer committed to deploy our OCS product in calendar twenty twenty six. Our leadership in optical performance, particularly in 300 by 300 form factors, has allowed us to capture volume opportunities earlier than competitors. As a result, we are accelerating the expansion of our in house OCS manufacturing capacity to meet the high level of demand. Our commitment to co packaged optics, or CPO, is stronger than ever. We just received the largest single purchase commitment in company history for our ultra high power lasers, and we have already announced additional investment in our U.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

S.-based indium phosphide wafer fab to support it. Our investments in this facility will position us for a significant revenue ramp in CPO by the 2026. We expect to continue to make vital contributions to US technology competitiveness through leadership and optical innovation, strategic partnerships with hyperscalers, and contribution to domestic AI infrastructure. Now if we move to our industrial tech segment. Industrial Tech segment revenue decreased 6% sequentially, but was up 6% from the same quarter last year.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Industrial laser declined quarter over quarter. Three d sensing declined as well, following expected seasonal trends. In q four, ultrafast laser shipments held steady and near record levels, driven primarily by strong demand from a leading tool supplier supporting high volume solar cell manufacturing. In the quarter, we launched the PicoVelet Core ultrafast laser platform, which enables infrared, green, and ultraviolet wavelengths within a compact form factor for industrial micro machining applications. Despite the revenue decline in industrial tech, segment profitability improved primarily due to cost reduction initiatives we announced a quarter ago.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

With these actions and more focus on the core business, we expect to see improved profit margin in this segment over the next handful of quarters. In summary, Lumentum is entering a period of sustained growth driven by the rapid adoption of AI. Our strong Q4 performance highlights the effectiveness of our strategy, operational resilience, and the differentiated value of our optical solutions. Today, our components business is a key foundation of our success, and we are well positioned for significant growth in our cloud modules business and to lead in emerging technologies like OCS and CPO. As we scale production, expand capacity and intensify our focus on high growth, margin opportunities, we are confident in our ability to deliver continued top line growth, margin expansion, and long term shareholder value. Now I'll hand the call over to Wajid.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

Thank you, Michael. Fourth quarter revenue of $480,700,000 and non GAAP EPS of $0.88 were both above the high end of our revised guidance ranges. GAAP gross margin for the fourth quarter was 33.3%, GAAP operating loss was 1.7%, and GAAP net income per share was $2.96 Turning to our non GAAP results. Fourth quarter non GAAP gross margin was 37.8%, which was up two sixty basis points sequentially and up 1,000 basis points year on year due to better manufacturing utilization and favorable product mix as a result of increased datacom laser shipments. Fourth quarter non GAAP operating margin was 15%, which was up 420 basis points sequentially and up over 2,000 basis points year on year, primarily driven by improved cloud and networking profitability.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

Fourth quarter non GAAP operating profit was $72,300,000 and adjusted EBITDA was $98,700,000 Fourth quarter non GAAP operating expenses totaled $109,300,000 or 22.7% of revenue, an increase of $5,900,000 from the third quarter and an increase of $7,900,000 from the same quarter last year. This growth reflects annual employee cash incentives tied to company performance, along with ongoing investments to scale our operations in support of expanding cloud opportunities. Q four non GAAP SG and A expense was $41,700,000 Non GAAP R and D expense was $67,600,000 Interest and other income was $3,500,000 on a non GAAP basis. Fourth quarter non GAAP net income was $63,300,000 and non GAAP diluted net income per share was $0.88 Our fully diluted share count for the fourth quarter was 72,000,000 shares on a non GAAP basis. Turning to the full year results.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

Fiscal twenty five net revenue was $1,650,000,000 which was up 21% from fiscal twenty four. GAAP gross margin for fiscal twenty five was 28%. GAAP operating loss was 10.9, and GAAP diluted net income per share was $0.37 Full year fiscal twenty five non GAAP gross margin was 34.7%, which was four fifty basis points up relative to fiscal twenty four due to higher overall demand and factory utilization. Fiscal year 'twenty five non GAAP operating margin was 9.7%, up ten thirty basis points from fiscal 'twenty four due to higher gross margin and improved operating leverage. Fiscal 'twenty five non GAAP operating income was $160,100,000 and adjusted EBITDA was $264,200,000 For fiscal twenty twenty five, our fully diluted share count on a non GAAP basis was 71,200,000.0 shares.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

Non GAAP net income was $146,400,000 and non GAAP diluted net income per share was $2.6 Turning to our balance sheet. During the fourth quarter, our cash and short term investments increased by $10,000,000 to $877,000,000 Our inventory levels increased sequentially to support the expected growth in our cloud and networking revenue. In q four, we invested $59,000,000 in CapEx, primarily focused on manufacturing capacity to support cloud customers. Turning to segment details. Fourth quarter cloud and networking segment revenue at $424,100,000 increased 16% sequentially and 67% year on year.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

Cloud and networking segment profit at 23.6% increased three sixty basis points sequentially and increased thirteen fifty basis points year on year on higher revenue and favorable product mix. Our fourth quarter industrial tech segment was at $56,600,000 which was down 6% sequentially and up 6% year on year. Fourth quarter industrial tech segment profit of 6% increased sequentially on stringent cost initiatives despite lower revenue. Industrial tech segment profit increased year on year on higher revenue and the benefit of these cost initiatives. Now let me move to our guidance for the '26, which is on a non GAAP basis and is based on our assumptions as of today.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

We anticipate net revenue for the '26 to be in the range of $510,000,000 to $540,000,000 The midpoint of this range represents a new all time quarterly revenue record or momentum. Our q one revenue forecast reflects the following expectations. Cloud and networking expected to be up sequentially with strong growth across our portfolio of products addressing cloud and AI applications and industrial tech to be approximately flat sequentially with a modest decline in industrial lasers offset by a seasonal uptick in three d sensing. We project first quarter non GAAP operating margin to be in the range of 16% to 17.5% and diluted net income per share to be in the range of $0.95 to $1.1 Our non GAAP EPS guidance is based on a non GAAP annual effective tax rate of 16.5%. These projections also assume an approximate count of 75,000,000 shares.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

With that, I'll turn the call back to Kathy to start the Q and A session. Kathy?

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thank you, Watson. To allow as many as possible an opportunity to ask questions, please speak to one question and one follow-up. Now, Reagan, let's begin the Q and A session.

[Operator]

Of course. We will now begin our Q and A session. Our first question comes from Sian Leopold of Raymond James. Your line is now open.

[Simon Leopold, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Thank you very much.

[Simon Leopold, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Thanks for taking the question. First one, I wanted to talk a little bit about the OCS award. My recollection is that you previously suggested you'd see first revenue in the December. So this is two quarters earlier than what we're thinking, and we're thinking one customer, not two. So I'd love to get an update of how to think about the trajectory in that.

[Simon Leopold, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Should we be envisioning a very gradual ramp? How should we think about the trajectory and the potential of this new product category? Thank you.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Hey, Simon. Thanks for the question. Yeah. I I think we're doing a bit better than we expected certainly in the customer accounts. And and now, you know, with the third customer coming online, we feel pretty good about things.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

The way I would characterize it is I think these current quarter, next quarter, and the December are still ramping. We're ramping because we're building our capacity in Thailand to support the customers. I think that we'll start to see more meaningful revenue, meaning very, very significant revenues in q one, q two, and then certainly in the back half of calendar 2026. So it is a it is a ramp. If there's some gradualness to it, there's a couple of inflection points.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

The first inflection point is probably early in '26, but then a more meaningful inflection point in the back half of '26. Right now, we're honestly limited by how many we can build. Right? We're we're trying to ramp this thing very quickly to see a tremendous level of demand, but we are limited by how much we can supply.

[Simon Leopold, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Thanks. And then as a follow-up, I wanted to check-in on the CPO opportunity as well. So that sounds like it's progressing. Last we spoke, it sounded like you were the only approved supplier in the ecosystem for the high powered laser. Wondering how you're thinking about your position in that market in terms of quantifying as well as your ability to remain a sole source supplier. How's the competitive landscape? Thank you.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yes. Simon, you and I talked about it. We feel good about our ability to to maintain a competitive mode here for two reasons. One, there's a unique power level that this this laser throws off, but more importantly is the reliability. And we're able to translate a lot of what we've done from undersea lasers and ramen pumps into this particular product line.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

It's developed it's leveraging a lot of the the the same development concepts that we had there. So we feel good about the competitive modes. You you called it out well. I think we said in the prepared remarks, we would expect meaningful revenue from this again in the 2026. We are seeing, you know, we talked about the order, a very significant order.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

We are seeing early shipments. So at least as far as we know, we're sole sourced. We believe we have a good competitive mode that will keep us in that position.

[Simon Leopold, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial]

Thank you.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thank you, Simon.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tom O'Malley of Barclays. Your line is now open.

[Thomas O'Malley, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. So it sounds like the trajectory to the $600,000,000 is moving a little bit forward to the fourth fiscal quarter. Maybe you could walk through the contributions to the 600,000,000 In the quarter, EMLs were a bit better, but modules were also good as well. Maybe walk through the moving parts of where you see the upside to get you to that $600,000,000 Yes,

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Tom. I mean, I think, number one, we actually expect continued strength in our components business. Our components business, carry us pretty significantly this quarter, and we actually are pretty excited about that over the balance of the fiscal year. The cloud modules will definitely be a step up. I think, we had a really big step up this quarter, a 50% sequential gain in terms of top line.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

I think we'll hit a little bit of an add here in the next quarter, but then we'll see a pretty dramatic acceleration in in cloud modules in our December, March, and June. As we said a second ago, we we will also expect OCS to layer in. We start to see revenue meaningful revenue contributions in the first half, significant revenue contributions from OCS in the second half. Still strength in in our transport business. So it's it's multifaceted, but if I was gonna depict the two or three areas, it would certainly start with components.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Cloud modules will be strong, and then I think we're gonna see that that revenue contribution from the optical circuit switch.

[Thomas O'Malley, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

Helpful. And then I kinda wanna address a little bit of an off an off top. I do. So I I just wanted to address a press release that came out in the last week. So Apple was talking about investment in The US, and there was a press release specifically out with one of your competitors, with their lasers out of a a US manufacturing site.

[Thomas O'Malley, Director - Equity Research at Barclays]

Traditionally, you guys have always been kind of first to innovate there. I was curious, do you guys see a future in which that type of business becomes more significant for you? Or do you think that this is an announcement that kind of is talking about existing infrastructure that's in place versus new opportunities that are kind of burgeoning? Thank you.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I mean, it's it's an interesting one. Know, we in the macro, I I think face ID and three d sensing will be a minimal part of our business on a go forward basis. The main story, Tom, as you all know, is is everything we're doing in the data center with WuPens business. That being said, interestingly, we feel like we're picking up share and decent gross margins on this cycle, and then there's some design changes that are happening in the next couple of calendar years.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

And to your point, we feel like we have an innovation lead. So, you know, I was on the other side of this, as you know, in in Sherman, and you're right. Momentum has a history about innovating. And as long as we kinda keep that innovation engine up, I feel better than I have in a while in terms of gaining share in that business and actually increasing top line and margin in that business.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thank you, Tom.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question is from Suneet Chatterjee of JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

[Samik Chatterjee, MD & Equity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the results here. Maybe for my first one, Michael, if I can press you a bit on the timing of the $600,000,000 revenue guide here for fiscal 2Q twenty twenty six because you did have a strong sort of $50,000,000 plus quarter over quarter increase into the June and now you're guiding for September to like a $40,000,000 increase at the midpoint, million or more. And I'm just wondering given your comments about acceleration in terms of datacom chips with more capacity coming on and there's the cloud like business as well accelerating into December and March.

[Samik Chatterjee, MD & Equity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Is there any other part of the business that necessarily slows down to sort of push that timeline to to the June, or is there a potential of achieving that target in the March itself March itself? Kind of a follow-up.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I I I good very good question. I think there was a very key parenthetical phrase that we had saying the June or earlier. That was, that's an important important phrase. Look.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

We we feel pretty good about the business across the board. You know, I I think we're still in the early innings of our cloud module business. We feel like we're just beginning to scratch the surface in terms of picking up share on on that. We talked about OCS in some of the previous questions. We really, really feel good about that business.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

You called out in your your comments on components, you know, that's going gangbusters. You know, out outside of of, you know, our industrial tech business, which is obviously had had some headwinds in in Wupen's platform, I don't think there's a single sector right now that I could point to that say said we're gonna be down. So, you know, our slope is definitely up, and and you could kinda draw your own conclusions to where where you think we end up. But we definitely are on a pretty good run-in the moment.

[Samik Chatterjee, MD & Equity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Got it. Got it. And for my follow-up, any thoughts yep. Yep. Yes. Yes, please. And my follow-up was really on sort of any thoughts you have on the semiconductor tariffs or Section two thirty two investigation, whatever you want to call it, and in relation to sort of speculation around 100% tariffs on semiconductors given your fabs in Japan.

[Samik Chatterjee, MD & Equity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

And I did see you made an announcement of additional investment here in the US advanced optics. And how are you thinking about the likelihood of being exempted from any potential tariffs on the semiconductor side given your location of fabs? Any thoughts on that would be useful. Thank you.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

Yeah. I mean, Samik, as as you can see and appreciate, during the quarter, the tariff situation is pretty fluid. And, you know, there's a a lot has happened, even after we announced our our updated guidance, in June. But having said that, you know, we've gone back and taken a look at the new regulations that have come out and taken a look at the exempted categories that that have that are in the appendix to to that new guideline, and and we've determined that our products are exempted from any of the tariffs that would be applicable, you know, in in that new guidance. So we're we're fairly comfortable that we will not be impacted.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

But like I said, you know, things things are fluid. We thought at the beginning of q four, we would have a 100 basis point up to a 100 basis point negative impact from tariffs. And yet, you know, in q four, we actually had, you know, minimal impact of tariffs. Even in q one, we we put in a little bit just in case something new pops up, you know, in the remaining part of August and September, and we'll see, you know, at the end of the quarter where that ends up. But but for now, no material changes in our business operations or the impact from tariffs would be our view.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thanks, Samit. David, we'll take our next question. Of course.

[Operator]

Our next question is from Blayne Curtis of Jefferies. Line is now open.

[Ezra Weener, VP - Equity Research at Jefferies LLC]

Ezra Weiner on for Blayne. Thanks for taking my question. I guess a two parter instead of a follow-up. But first, you talked about a big 200 gs EML order in December. And then also discussed that you're going see a big ramp next year in 100 gs and 200 gs.

[Ezra Weener, VP - Equity Research at Jefferies LLC]

Can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing timing wise between the two of those in that transition? And then the follow-up question is kind of your lead times and visibility into both demand in those ramps and kind of inventory for both of those.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I'll take that, and then I'll I'll have Wupen add some some color. So, you know, first thing that I would say is, obviously, the 100 gig is run rate. We're we're we're shipping that right now. It primarily goes into 800 gig transceivers, and we feel like, that is continuing to go well.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

We're seeing those numbers climb. We're seeing our EML shipments on a 100 gig continue to climb. 200 gig is more associated with the 1.6 t, and we're starting to see early ramp of of 1.6 t. So this now is related to our components business. I think our module business as it pertains to 1.6 t would feather in next year, but we are starting to see early early shipments of 200 gig per lane into the 1.6 transceivers.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

That's additive business, so we we see that on top of what we already have for the 100 gig. The 100 gig will continue to climb, and then the 200 gig will will layer in on top of that. So we talked about, through the questions and even in the prepared remarks, the strength in our components business. We have a baseline of 100 gig. We have a nice layering of 200 gig per lane, and then we layer on top of that this co packaged optics opportunity, which we feel really, really strongly about.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

So there's a nice effect here in our components business. It's obviously a nice margin driver for us. Ruben, do wanna comment a little bit on the dynamics?

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

Yeah. Thank you, Michael. Yeah. Definitely, I think it's really important to keep in mind that there's no transition, you know, down and up kind of situation. It's it's layered on top of.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

So end of g is running very, very strong. Most hyperscalers are still on the end of g platform and for probably the next couple of years at a minimum. 1.6 just getting started, so it's really additive to our revenue going forward. And then our visibility into the future business actually is really good. We have, you know, six to nine months of visibility, if not longer.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

And then the general consensus, what we can see in the market is that we are in a supply constraint situation. And therefore, we would anticipate the laser demand will continue to be very, very strong and we continue to see very good visibility going forward. And, of course, given that situation, inventory is very low. And we're basically shipping everything that that we can make and try to keep our customers satisfied for their deployment.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Hey, Ashwin. Did you have a follow-up question?

[Ezra Weener, VP - Equity Research at Jefferies LLC]

Nope. That was it. Ask my two.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Okay. Alright. Thanks, Ashwin. Megan, we'll take our next question, please.

[Operator]

Of course. Our next question is from Christopher Rolland of SIG. Your line is now open.

[Aren Nakpil, Equity Research Associate at Susquehanna International Group]

Hi. This is Aaron Nachpel in for Chris Rolland. Thanks for taking my question. On the email competitive landscape, there are a few email players out of Japan in addition to your largest competitor. How do you believe you are positioned to retain your edge and leadership here?

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. Look. I I think there are two dimensions in in the AML business. One is is certainly performance, and I think if you look at our design, it is the best performing. And and where that translates is in module yield.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Our customers typically report a significantly higher yield on their cloud modules using our EMLs over competitors. That allows us some pricing latitude, has been super favorable. We we we've Penn's been able to use that to great effect. We feel like we talked about 200 gig. We feel like we're leading on technology innovations, 200 gig, CPO.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

As as WuPen described in the last call, these are all layering on top of each other. The second element is obviously capacity, and we are the biggest supplier in terms of capacity. We have our fab in Japan is outputting more emails than I think any other location. So we really feel good about our ability not only to lead technically, but also to lead operationally, and that's giving us a pretty nice tailwind as we head into the next handful of quarters.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Do you have any follow-up?

[Aren Nakpil, Equity Research Associate at Susquehanna International Group]

Yeah. At your investor briefing at OFC, you had a slide where you show showed your segment mix at over 500,000,000 of revenue. And at that level, telecom and datacom both represented 45%. And, given the September guide, how are you tracking to that mix?

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

We're we're tracking pretty well, in line. Datacom is probably running a little bit ahead, of telecom. Not really demand determined, more more, related to some of the supply constraints we have on the telecom side where we that we are looking to to close on. So I think from a demand standpoint, the the forty five and forty five are correct. But in terms of what we're actually shipping, we're a little bit more tuned to Datacom because some of the capacity improvements on the on the telecom side still need to happen for us.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

But but there is a underlying you know, the demand is really mostly coming from the hyperscalers and from the cloud. So even though the customers are traditional telecom customers, but the source of demand really is on the cloud. That I think that's very important that that dynamics, you know, that we should consider our business going forward.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

That's a good point. Well said. Yeah.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thank you. And, Reagan, I think we'll take our next question.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question is from Meta Marshall of Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

[Meta Marshall, MD & VP at Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thanks. Apologies for the background noise. Just a couple of questions for me, and I'll just, save them both at once. Just in terms of kind of the you know, you had a lead customer on the up transceiver side.

[Meta Marshall, MD & VP at Morgan Stanley]

You clearly talked about kind of supplying the additional two customers this quarter. Just how should we think about kind of the ramp of additional customers, just given kind of how strong the demand of customer one has been? And then maybe just as a second question, you know, particularly strong gross margins this quarter. Just trying to get a sense of, you know, like, directionally, is that more mix? Is it more yield improvement?

[Meta Marshall, MD & VP at Morgan Stanley]

Just how to kind of think about kind of capacity for that to increase further. Thanks.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. Meta, thanks for the question. Look. On on cloud modules, we're obviously trying to be disciplined. We're continuing to focus on opportunities that yield the highest margins for us, And we also are somewhat constrained in terms of our ability to produce.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

So we are focused on these three customers. Our capture rate of additional customers probably in the near term will be modest. I think we're gonna continue to look at these three guys both in terms of the high value SKUs that we can deliver to them. And, again, just because our our capacity, both from an engineering capacity and from manufacturing capacity, is is somewhat constrained. That being said, we still expect to grow and actually grow very significantly in that business over the over the coming handful of quarters.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

The second part of the question was On gross margins. On gross margins. Yeah. Look. I I it's a big focus for us. I think we saw improvement on mix. Mix was some of it because of the components business, but a lower piece of our business, lower margin piece of the business in cloud modules contributed about half the growth. And still, we showed margin improvement, and we continue to be on that trajectory. We're spending a lot of time. Wajid and I, together with Wu Pan and his general manager, are very, focused on cost improvements of all of our products, pricing when we can apply leverage when it's appropriate, And we would expect to to see some more significant gross margin set ups step ups in in the ensuing quarters.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

But this is a big, big area of focus for us.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thank you, Meta.

[Meta Marshall, MD & VP at Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thank you.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Megan, I think we'll take our next question.

[Operator]

Of course. Our next question comes from Ryan Koontz of Needham and Company. Your line is now open.

[Ryan Koontz, MD - Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Great. Thanks. I wanted to ask about the telecom side of the world. Obviously, ZR is the main driver there. I wonder if you have any commentary on how fast you think that market is growing.

[Ryan Koontz, MD - Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Can you expand on your opportunities in that market from a component perspective? And how you think about that business over the next twelve, eighteen months? Thank you.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I mean, it's been a big story for us. I'll let, to Wu Pan add add color here. But, obviously, our narrow line with white lasers, which are a key component in ZR and ZR plus modules have done very, very well. We said in the prepared remarks we're capacity limited.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

We are. We're sold out for really the balance of the fiscal year, to be honest with you, at this point. So that has been where we played. Our our actual modules have not done as well. Or when we've actually tried to sell z r z r plus modules ourselves, we've not done as well.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

It's it's it's definitely a margin hit to the company, so we are focusing where we can on selling components into the DCI market. I don't know. Rupan, you wanna add some color on how you're thinking about it?

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

Sure. First of all, think the PR market is growing very rapidly. There's a very I would say a general trend now for most of the hyperscalers to resort to the VR kind of architecture moving away from the traditional transponder based architectures. So we think that as a market, the VR pluggable modules is a is a long term trend that continue to to go up. From a growth rate perspective, we're seeing we're forecasting roughly about 30% volume annual growth rate, number one.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

Number two, that, you know, with the PCI traffic not growing rapidly to carry the AI traffic, we see that 800 v r now starting to be of interest to multiple hyperscalers. And as Michael said, you know, we're not so focused on the module side, but we're definitely looking for opportunities on the component component side to participate continuously going forward in the 800 d r market as well.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thanks, Brian. Did you have a follow-up?

[Ryan Koontz, MD - Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Yeah.

[Ryan Koontz, MD - Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Just a quick question about transceivers and share for email designs versus, you know, VCSEL and silicon photonics. And do you you pick up any share shifts from a demand perspective going on with this migration to to higher speeds maybe due to to the AI infrastructure? Thank you.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I mean, again, I'll have WuPen add color here, Ryan. But we're we we keep hearing noise of this, and and frankly, we're not seeing it. I mean, we are sold out on our EMLs again for the balance of the year. We're you know, customers are are coming to us for allocation.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

We're actually just trying to pick and choose because we only have so much capacity and it's actually sold out. The silicon photonics is doing well. There's no no doubt about it. It's layering in in the transceivers into the data center, but it's has not impinged on EML demand in any way. I mean, how are you thinking about it?

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

As you think about 1.6 and and beyond, how are you thinking about these things two things feathering?

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

Yeah. Thank you, Michael. So I I think number one, we as we talked about earlier, right, there's a major supply constraint. So in the sense that silicon photonics versus EML, it depends on what laser you can get. You know, that would dictate your solutions that you would be able to deploy.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

So that's actually really happening now in the 100 g per lane speed products. Now going forward, 200 g per lane, 1.6 is just getting started. Certainly, they're, you know, equal amount of EML based design and three of atomic space design. And I think a similar dynamics will play out. I think we're in very early phase of 1.6.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

I would say that probably at this point, it's a you know, both knowledge is often deployed. So again, I think the the supply situation will will determine to a large extent what technology will be used in in in in reality.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thanks, Ryan.

[Ryan Koontz, MD - Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Thanks, Greg.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

And we'll take our next question.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Voigt of UBS. Your line is now open.

[David Vogt, Managing Director at UBS Group]

Great. Thanks guys for taking my question. I have two questions. Thank you. So maybe Gus, can you talk about where you actually stand from an EML wafer fab capacity?

[David Vogt, Managing Director at UBS Group]

I know in the past you've talked about expanding capacity by I think upwards of 40%. And I think I just heard Michael say that we're completely sold out. So where do we stand today and how do you think that kind of plays out? And then along those lines, the second question is related. When you think about the pricing dynamics given the limited supply of wafer chips going forward, how much should we think about that being an impact on gross margin going forward from a pricing perspective?

[David Vogt, Managing Director at UBS Group]

Obviously, you need to be careful in terms of how you price, but just trying to get a sense for how should we think about that as we go into fiscal twenty twenty six? Thanks.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I I think, you know, let me talk a little bit about the capacity. You know, we are still transitioning from three inch to four inch wafers. So that's something that's undergoing. We think we can bump our capacity in completing that transition, and that will give us another leg up in in in terms of capacity.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

We definitely feel like the the economics are in our favor. Right? There's limited supply. There's a lot of demand, and we do feel like there's a price lever. We've been very careful because there's only a handful of customers that that are there.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

But as we think about the situation over the next handful of of quarters, I do think Wajid and Wupen are thinking about how to make this work out more more equitably. Right? Given that we have finite capacity and a lot of demand, price, I do think, will become more of a a meaningful discussion in the next handful of quarters.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

And and, David, just to be clear, so those pricing discussions are not incorporated into Michael's earlier comments around 40% gross margins as well as our comments about achieving $600,000,000 of quarterly revenue. Pricing increases would be upside to that.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

Yeah. I will also comment that with capacity ramping continues, we have made an investment into the fast side and we believe in strategic investment for us. So we are looking at, you know, you know, a a few times of the capacity over the next several years as we transition also over to the six inch wave in the above side substrates as well.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thanks, Chris.

[David Vogt, Managing Director at UBS Group]

That's helpful. Kathy, can I sneak one more in?

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Sure. Yeah. Why don't you go ahead?

[David Vogt, Managing Director at UBS Group]

Yeah. Just just on OCS, obviously, it's exciting to hear about a second customer and then a third customer coming online. How should we think about sort of the arc of the profitability of that particular product offering as it expands from one hyperscaler to two to three into next year? Is this kind of a corporate average kind of product cycle? I'm just trying to think how we should think about what the impact is in '26 and '27 from OCS.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. It's it's significantly above corporate margin averages. So it will be most definitely be accretive. And there's some, you know, with with any factory, you've got ramps and how we absorb the factory. But assuming a reasonable level of volume and reasonable level of volume as we've described starts really in the 2026, This will be accretive to our margin line.

[David Vogt, Managing Director at UBS Group]

Great. Thanks, Michael.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

K. We'll go to the next question, please.

[Operator]

Of course. Our next question is from George Notter of Wolfe Research.

[George Notter, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

I was curious about just the capacity expansion down at the Nava facility. Any insights you can give us there in terms of scale, capacity, new additions would be great.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. We are obviously we feel we've we've built a new building in Nava. That building has three floors. We've actually started to outfit the First Floor, and we feel like even given the volumes that we're seeing from our hyperscale customers in dealing with that First Floor. That should be able to, one, meet the demand levels that we're seeing, and, two, give us some flexibility.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

As you know, George, right now, a lot of our cloud modules are coming from China. That will give us some flexibility from a manufacturing footprint to move to to Thailand and and, you know, help should the tariff situation change. So it is early innings. We'd expect that to come online sometime next year where we'd have that additional capacity available to us from a manufacturing standpoint.

[George Notter, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

Got it. Super. And then one other quick one. I think you mentioned at one point you were looking at doing some portfolio cleanup or, you know, adjustments. Is that is that something that you are indeed looking at?

[George Notter, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

Is there any timelines or or things you might be particularly focused on there? Thanks.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. We'll we, you know, we announced some changes, I think, in my first earnings call around metrology, x-ray, and spectroscopy. We've shut some of those businesses down. This is an ongoing process. We actually as as you know, we're just starting our fiscal year.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Waj and I have have set the AOP. There will be some portfolio management that that'll be part of that, and we'll be talking about that, I think, in in subsequent calls. But it's an important tenant of of our strategy is to really try to focus on our our cloud networking business under WuPen as much as possible and really figure out the parts of his portfolios that are gonna be the most profitable and lead to the longest term growth. So, we will have some discussions, I think, in the next couple of calls around some some portfolio management moves that we are, in the middle of at the moment.

[George Notter, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC]

Thank you.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thank you, George. And, Megan, we'll take our next question.

[Operator]

Of course. Our next question is from Vivek Arya of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

[Vivek Arya, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Thanks for taking my question. Michael, how large is the cloud module business now and how large does it need to be for your quarterly sales to get to $600,000,000 And at that point, you know, will will it be levered to a single customer or will it have multiple customers?

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I mean, I'll, I'll let Waj and Kathy sort of describe the size. I mean, I think we've we've we've discussed with you, Vivek, at the last conference. You know, this the number went up 50%, and we would expect it to continue to grow as we said in the prepared remarks. I think that from here, it doesn't actually need to grow a whole lot for us to get to the 600,000,000 number.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Previous caller said, look. You guys are at $5.25 at the mid. Right? It's another 75,000,000 of incremental growth, and we've said that we would expect components to contribute to that. We would expect OCS to contribute to that.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

So I do think that this cloud module business will grow. It is continuing to grow. We are being disciplined about it. WuPen is being super smart about which which opportunities he takes and which he doesn't. We are expecting revenue contributions from our largest customer, from our second largest customer, and frankly, from our third largest customer.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

But I think it was me that asked, at least right now, for the next handful of quarters, we do not expect to add customers beyond these three.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Does that give a follow-up question?

[Vivek Arya, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Yes. Thank you, Kathy. So a follow-up on gross margins. Why is how are you thinking about gross margins heading into September? And then when you do get to the $600,000,000 quarterly run rate, do do you think gross margins can get close to 40%?

[Vivek Arya, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Or is there a different mix that we should be thinking about? Thank you.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

Yeah. No, Vivek. So we've we've been able to improve our gross margins sequentially for the last number of quarters. You know, the most recent quarter, we were at 37.8%. We'll probably see a little bit of a nudge up to that moving into into q one.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

As we approach the $600,000,000 of revenue, like Michael mentioned, we don't actually need a lot of growth in cloud modules to get there. You know, probably in the range of 20 or $25,000,000 is about all we need in order to be able to get to the $600,000,000 target. So because of that and the focus really being on the components business getting us to 600,000,000, we should see a nudge up again on gross margins, you know, getting as close to the 40% that we outlined in in the April presentation where we said that we thought at 600,000,000 would be between 3740%. And, you know, just given the mix that we're seeing in front of us, we should be at the higher end of that range, when we get to 600,000,000. You you've got to remember, Vivek, one of the things that's actually that's actually a headwind to our margins right now is that we're spending about a 150 basis points every quarter just on NPI.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

And so as we're ramping these second and third customers that we're not recognizing revenue for at this point in time, both in cloud modules and OCS, there's a significant amount of NPI costs that are not being absorbed by inventory right now. And so as the business grows, you know, some of that NPI cost as a percentage of revenue should come down. So that'll certainly help us as well.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thanks for that.

[Vivek Arya, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Thank you.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

I think we have time for one more question, Megan. So if you squeeze in one more question and then pass the call back to me.

[Operator]

Of course. Our last question for today's call is from Ananda Barrow of Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

[Ananda Baruah, Director - Research & Senior Equity Analyst - Equity research at Loop Capital Markets LLC]

Yeah. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. I guess maybe, this could be Michael and Watts. It's just kinda sticking sticking there.

[Ananda Baruah, Director - Research & Senior Equity Analyst - Equity research at Loop Capital Markets LLC]

There is there a sort of theoretical mix of, of transceivers, of modules relative to components that you think about as you've seen, Michael, the last handful of months, sort of this this this new model, how they come into shape? Would love to get any thoughts there. And I recognize it could could change over time, but just whatever your your current thoughts are. Thanks.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know that we think about it that way. What I what I would say is, you know, we are going to continue to be selective in the growth in the cloud modules that we take on. We are limited to these three customer engagements we have. And within those customer engagements, we've asked WuPen to be very smart about which which of these opportunities he prosecutes.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

So, you know, we we expect to continue to grow this business, and I would say, grow it relatively significantly throughout this fiscal year. And as Wajid just elucidated, we do expect to grow gross margins as well. This will be a gross margin drag. I mean, I think in our best case, we've said to to people, expect this business to be maybe pushing 30% gross margin in the asymptote. We we will see a drag from it.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

So we wanna limit how much we do there. We wanna focus on the components, focus on OCS, focus on the CPO opportunity. You know, beyond that, obviously, WuPen is keenly keenly focused on scale up, which is another component opportunity. But we do think that this can help us from a cash flow perspective and from a revenue growth perspective at least for the next four to eight quarters. Bajid, do you have any additional color?

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

No. I I think that's right. At least as it relates to the $600,000,000 a quarter, you know, thinking about it as being about 15 to 20% of company revenues is probably the right level. And then network interconnect or sorry. Cloud interconnect, our datacom chip business, really growing with our supply.

[Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO at Lumentum]

And so as the supply improvements happen, three inch to four inch that Michael talked about, as well as some new CapEx that we've got coming in both in our fiscal q three and q q four, that business should naturally grow along with the the 200 g e m l. So the the cloud interconnect business, the Datacom laser business, will be larger as part of the $600,000,000 mix than our cloud module business will be.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

And and also, right, I think the component business is not just the cloud chip business. Right? It's also other laser business, which is also gonna grow meaningfully. Right? So I think the the future of the growth is, again, in the context of $200,000,000 will be some portion coming out of the the module as what you talked about and Michael talked about, but also a meaningful chunk of the coming from component, not just cloud component per se, but also so called telecom component that goes into DCI that also supports the AI machine learning growth.

[Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking at Lumentum]

Excellent. So all these areas are gonna be growing and then giving us a a uplift of gross margins.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Thanks, Anatu.

[Ananda Baruah, Director - Research & Senior Equity Analyst - Equity research at Loop Capital Markets LLC]

Do you have one to follow-up if you can Thank you. I guess the question would be just just OCS in terms of materiality. I think Michael made comments back at at OFC that in some context that it could be a noticeable product product line. Just wanted to, you know, sort of get get his context about, you know, how noticeable it could be over time. Thanks.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

Yeah. I mean, look. We we are very optimistic that this will be, you know, a multi $100,000,000 contributor for us. So, you know, what what and in what time frame? It's becoming increasingly sharply clear that it it's sooner rather than later, but, you know, we haven't put a time frame on that.

[Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director at Lumentum]

But, certainly, the opportunity for us is is measured in multiple 100 millions, and we feel pretty good about that just just being able to step into that TAM in a meaningful way.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

Alright. Thanks so much, Amanda. Great. That's all the time we we have for questions. Thank you.

[Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing at Lumentum]

We look forward to connecting with you at upcoming investor conferences and meetings this quarter. And with that, I'd like to thank you all for joining us today.

[Operator]

Thank you. That will conclude today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.

Participants

Executives

• Kathryn Ta, VP - Investor Relations & Corporate Marketing
• Michael Hurlston, President, CEO & Director
• Wajid Ali, Executive VP & CFO
• Wupen Yuen, President - Cloud & Networking

Analysts

• Simon Leopold, Managing Director at Raymond James Financial
• Thomas O'Malley, Director - Equity Research at Barclays
• Samik Chatterjee, MD & Equity Research Analyst at J.P. Morgan
• Ezra Weener, VP - Equity Research at Jefferies LLC
• Aren Nakpil, Equity Research Associate at Susquehanna International Group
• Meta Marshall, MD & VP at Morgan Stanley
• Ryan Koontz, MD - Research Analyst at Needham & Company
• David Vogt, Managing Director at UBS Group
• George Notter, Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC
• Vivek Arya, Managing Director at Bank of America
• Ananda Baruah, Director - Research & Senior Equity Analyst - Equity research at Loop Capital Markets LLC