HudBay Minerals Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 13, 2025

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Q2 free cash flow generation of $88M, record TTM adjusted EBITDA near $1B, net debt cut to $434M and leverage at 0.4x.
  • Positive Sentiment: Minority JV with Mitsubishi for a 30% equity stake in Copper World, delivering $600M and boosting Hudbay’s levered project IRR to ~90%.
  • Positive Sentiment: Full-year consolidated cash cost guidance improved to $0.65–$0.85/lb, down from $0.80–$1.00/lb, reflecting strong cost performance.
  • Negative Sentiment: Manitoba operations faced a 13-day suspension due to wildfires, reducing Q2 gold and copper production despite no facility damage.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Overall production across Peru, Manitoba and British Columbia remains on track with Q2 outputs of 30kt Cu and 56koz Au and full-year guidance reaffirmed.
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Earnings Conference Call
HudBay Minerals Q2 2025
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There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Hudbay Minerals, Inc. Second Quarter twenty twenty five Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode.

Operator

Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, 08/13/2025 at eleven a. M. Eastern Time. I would now like to turn the conference over to Candace Brule, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good morning and welcome to Hudbay's twenty twenty five second quarter results conference call. Hudbay's financial results were issued this morning and are available on our website at www.hudbay.com. A corresponding PowerPoint presentation is available in the Investor Events section of our website, and we encourage you to refer to it during this call. Our presenter today is Peter Kukilski, Hudbay's President and Chief Executive Officer.

Speaker 1

Accompanying Peter for the Q and A portion of the call will be Eugene Lee, our Chief Financial Officer and Andre Lausanne, our Chief Operating Officer. Please note that comments made on today's call may contain forward looking information and this information by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties. And as such, actual results may differ materially from the views expressed today. For further information on these risks and uncertainties, please consult the company's relevant filings on SEDAR plus and EDGAR. These documents are also available on our website.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, all amounts discussed on today's call are in U. S. Dollars unless otherwise noted. And now I'll pass the call over to Peter Kukielski.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Candace. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for today's presentation. Once again, we delivered another quarter of significant free cash flow generation driven by continued industry leading cost margins and diversified exposure to copper and gold. This strong financial performance enabled us to further reduce long term debt, invest in our many high return growth projects and further strengthen our balance sheet to its best position in well over a decade. We are also very pleased to announce a minority joint venture agreement with Mitsubishi Corporation at our Copper World project in Arizona, which further solidifies our financial strength and significantly reduces our funding requirement to develop this attractive project.

Speaker 2

We have secured the premier joint venture partner at an attractive valuation to develop our world class Copper World project and establish a long term strategic partnership that will unlock significant value in our copper growth pipeline. Through a highly accretive joint venture and enhanced precious metal streaming deal and the achievement of our financial targets, we have successfully realized the key elements of our prudent 3P financial plan and significantly derisk the Copper World project as we advance towards a sanctioned decision in 2026. I will touch on the JV transaction in more detail in a moment, but first I'll discuss our second quarter results starting on Slide three. The strong financial results in the second quarter were driven by steady copper production, complementary gold production and continued cost control across the business. Our operations in Manitoba showed remarkable resilience against unprecedented wildfires prioritizing the safety of our people and communities while still delivering strong gold production.

Speaker 2

In Peru, our steady operating performance delivered production and costs in line with our expectations. And in British Columbia, we made excellent progress on our optimization plans with the SAG mill conversion project. Consolidated copper production in the second quarter was 30,000 tons and consolidated gold production was 56,000 ounces. Consolidated copper production was relatively in line with the first quarter as higher production in Peru offset lower production in Manitoba from a suspension of operations in June due to mandatory wildfire evacuation orders. Consolidated gold production was lower than the first quarter because of wildfire impacts in Manitoba.

Speaker 2

Consolidated silver production was 815,000 ounces and zinc production was 5,000 tons in the second quarter. We had another quarter of industry leading cost performance with consolidated cash costs of negative $02 per pound and sustaining cash costs of $1.65 per pound. The increase compared to the first quarter was due to lower byproduct credits combined with planned higher sustaining capital expenditures, but both metrics are well below the low end of the cost guidance ranges. With the strong performance in the first half of the year, we are reaffirming our full year consolidated production guidance for all metals. We are favorably tracking well below our full year consolidated cost guidance for 2025, which has resulted in an improved cost guidance range of $0.65 to $0.85 a decrease from our original cost guidance range of $0.80 to $1 per pound.

Speaker 2

In the second quarter, we achieved adjusted EBITDA of $245,000,000 resulting in record annual trailing twelve month adjusted EBITDA of $996,000,000 as of June 30. Net earnings were $0.30 per share and adjusted net earnings were $0.19 per share in the second quarter after adjusting for non cash gains from foreign exchange, revaluation from environmental reclamation provisions, mark to market investment revaluation and flow through share expenditures. Cash generated from operating activities of $260,000,000 increased compared to the first quarter as a result of higher gross margins driven by stable copper production, higher realized prices and positive working capital management. Similarly, operating cash flow before change in non cash working capital was $194,000,000 a $30,000,000 increase from the first quarter as a result of offset by lower gold and copper sales volumes in Manitoba. The strong financial performance during the second quarter marked the eighth consecutive quarter of meaningful free cash flow generation as shown on Slide four.

Speaker 2

We generated $88,000,000 of free cash flow in the quarter and over the last twelve months, we have generated more than $400,000,000 in free cash flow as a result of steady operating performance, expanding margins from strong copper and gold exposure and a focus on cost control across the business. As a result of the continued free cash flow generation and prudent balance sheet management, we repurchased and retired $50,000,000 of senior unsecured notes at a discount to par during the quarter. This has resulted in approximately $295,000,000 in total debt repayments and gold prepayment liability reductions since the beginning of 2024, including $133,000,000 in total bond buybacks, dollars 100,000,000 of revolver repayments and $62,000,000 to fully repay the gold prepay facility completed in 08/20/2024. We ended the quarter with $626,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents and our net debt reduced to $434,000,000 This has further improved our leverage ratio to 0.4 times as of June 30, the lowest in more than a decade. While the majority of revenues continue to be derived from copper production, gold continues to represent more than 36% of total revenues in the second quarter.

Speaker 2

Our unique copper and gold diversification continues to provide significant leverage to both higher copper and gold prices. Our fortified balance sheet and robust free cash flow generation will allow us to continue to prudently reinvest in our portfolio of attractive high return brownfield and greenfield opportunities to drive near term and long term production growth. Turning to Slide five. Our Peru operations produced 22,000 tons of copper in the second quarter, in line with quarterly cadence expectations. Copper production increased compared to the first quarter as milled copper grades exceeded first quarter levels.

Speaker 2

Constancia also produced 7,000 ounces of gold, 552,000 ounces of silver and three seventy five tons of molybdenum. During the quarter, the last major stripping program at Pampacancha was completed, which included higher amounts of waste stripping than originally planned. As a result, we replaced higher grade Pampacancha ore with higher grade Constancia ore in the quarter and Pampacancha is now expected to be depleted in the 2026 rather than in late twenty twenty five. Protests that started early in the third quarter temporarily impacted the transportation of supplies and concentrate and has affected mine sequencing. The Constancia mill has continued to operate during this period and the road blockades along the concentrate transportation routes have since reopened allowing us to reduce site concentrate inventory levels and replenish supplies.

Speaker 2

Despite these short term mine plan changes, we remain on track to achieve our full year production guidance for all metals in Peru. Mill throughput in the quarter was impacted by the planned semi annual mill maintenance shutdown and therefore was lower than the first quarter. Milled copper grades increased by 13% relative to the first quarter due to higher grades in the Constancia Pit, while milled gold grades remained consistent with the prior quarter as Pampacancha stripping activities were underway in both quarters. Mill recoveries for all metals remained in line with our metallurgical models for the ore type that was being processed. The operations delivered strong cost performance in the quarter with cash cost of $1.45 per pound despite higher maintenance costs associated with the planned mill maintenance program and lower by product credits.

Speaker 2

We remain well positioned to achieve the full year cash cost guidance in Peru. Moving to our Manitoba operations on Slide 6, I personally want to thank the dedicated on-site team who demonstrated tremendous effort and unwavering commitment during the unprecedented wildfire situation in both Flin Flon and Snow Lake during the quarter. The team tirelessly safeguarded our assets and collaborated closely with local communities and provincial authorities providing essential support to emergency response efforts. These efforts resulted in no damage to Hudbay's infrastructure and facilities. In addition, we committed over CAD2 million in funding support to our evacuated employees, including $1,600,000 in direct financial support and $500,000 in a donation to the Canadian Red Cross to support wildfire emergency relief and rebuilding efforts in Northern Manitoba.

Speaker 2

Despite disruptions from the mandatory evacuation orders in May and June, the Manitoba operations showed remarkable resilience and achieved several key milestones in the second quarter. The operations produced 43,000 ounces of gold, 1,600 tons of copper, 5,100 tons of zinc and 198,000 ounces of silver in the second quarter. These were lower than the first quarter, primarily due to lower production in June associated with the thirteen day temporary suspension of operations from the wildfire evacuation shutdown. The Lalor mine managed through a period of reduced workforce prior to and after the temporary suspension of operations. Despite these challenges, the mine averaged 3,300 tonnes per day in the second quarter, strategically prioritizing mining from gold zones to ensure a consistent feed for the New Britannia mill.

Speaker 2

Gold grades were in line with mine plan expectations, while being lower than the exceptional gold grade mined in the 2025. Continuous improvement efforts at Lalor focused on ore quality and advancing stope modifications to enhance mucking productivity. Capital development continued aiming to secure high grade copper gold mineralization from Zone 27 and prepare Zone 17 for the next copper gold mining front. The New Britannia mill achieved record monthly production levels in April exceeding 2,300 tons per day. This significant milestone is a testament to ongoing low capital projects and recent piping improvements that boosted throughput and maintained strong gold recoveries.

Speaker 2

New Britannia's mill throughput averaged approximately 1,800 tons per day during the second quarter, reflecting the record levels achieved in April, offset by lower throughput levels in June associated with the wildfire evacuation shutdown. New Britannia gold recoveries of 89% were consistent with the first quarter. The Stall mill continues to process less ore compared to prior periods, which is aligned with our strategy of allocating more Lalor ore feed to New Britannia to maximize gold recoveries. The Stall mill achieved gold recoveries of 68% in the quarter, reflecting benefits from recent recovery improvement programs. Gold cash costs for the second quarter were $710 per ounce, impacted by lower gold production as previously mentioned, but were within the guidance range.

Speaker 2

On July 10, a second mandatory wildfire evacuation notice was issued for the town of Snow Lake and we suspended the Snow Lake operations in a controlled, safe and orderly manner. All of our employees remain safe and there has been no structural damage to Hudbay's on-site surface infrastructure and facilities. With the strong start to the year, we continue to expect to achieve our 2025 production guidance in Manitoba. And with cash costs in the first half of the year outperforming the low end of the cost guidance range, we are still well positioned to achieve the 2025 cash cost guidance range in Manitoba. At our third operating business unit, British Columbia, which is discussed on Slide seven, we continue to focus on advancing our optimization plans.

Speaker 2

Copper Mountain produced 6,600 tons of copper, 5,700 ounces of gold and 65,000 ounces of silver. Production of gold was higher than the first quarter due largely to higher recoveries, while copper and silver were lower primarily as a result of lower head grades from the use of stockpiled ore in the second quarter. We remain on track to achieve our 2025 production guidance for all metals in British Columbia and continue to expect higher production in the second half of the year as the mill improvement project takes effect. Mining activities in the quarter continue to focus on execution of the three year accelerated stripping program intended to bring higher grade ore into the mine plan. Total material moved in the quarter increased with the effective usage of the mining fleet and continued focus on mining efficiencies, including improvements with blasted muck inventories and operator recruitment.

Speaker 2

Total material moved is expected to continue to increase quarter over quarter as per the mine plan. Mill throughput in the second quarter was limited by both planned and unplanned maintenance and area constraints related to the completion of the SAG conversion project. We made significant progress on this project, which entails converting the third ball mill to a second SAG mill. On July 10, we successfully completed the initial phase of the project on time and on budget. The next phase of the project involves converting an interim feed arrangement to a permanent configuration, which remains on target for completion in the second half of the year.

Speaker 2

This is anticipated to enable mill throughput to ramp up throughout the second half of the year and increase the nominal plant capacity to its permitted level of 50,000 tonnes per day in 2026. During the second quarter, copper recoveries were 81% and gold recoveries were 68%, both higher than the first quarter despite lower head grades. Similar to our other operations, British Columbia achieved strong cost performance this quarter. Cash costs were $2.39 per pound in the quarter, an improvement over the first quarter as a result of higher byproduct credits and the realized benefits from ongoing optimization efforts. With cash costs in low end of the 2025 guidance range for the first half of the year, we are well on track to achieve our 2025 cash cost guidance range in British Columbia.

Speaker 2

We also achieved a significant permitting milestone for our new Ingebelle growth project Copper Mountain during the quarter. On May 12, after more than a year of detailed preparation, our permitting application was successfully accepted into review by the BC Major Mines Office and is now advancing through a mine review committee process. Our team continues ongoing engagement of the local First Nations and other stakeholder groups as part of our commitment to cultivating transparency and mutually beneficial relationships. At our Copper World project in Arizona, we are very pleased to be welcoming Mitsubishi Corporation as our 30% strategic partner, representing an important milestone as we advance this high quality copper project towards sanctioning and unlock significant value in our copper growth portfolio. Slide eight discusses the details of the transaction.

Speaker 2

Under the joint venture transaction, Mitsubishi will acquire a 30% minority equity interest in Copper World for an initial contribution of $600,000,000 This comprises $420,000,000 in cash contribution at closing and $180,000,000 within eighteen months of closing. Mitsubishi will also fund its prorate at 30% share of future capital contributions. This valuation is highly attractive to Hudbay as it implies a significant premium to consensus net asset value for Copper World As a result of the JV proceeds and future capital contributions, the levered project IRR to Hudbay significantly increases to approximately 90%. I have a long history of involvement with joint ventures over my career, including developing and operating Antamina with Mitsubishi back in the 1990s and 2000s, and I've seen how strategic joint ventures have built some of the best mines in the world. After a highly robust and competitive process, we have selected the premier partner of choice in Mitsubishi.

Speaker 2

As noted on Slide nine, Mitsubishi is one of the largest of the Japanese trading houses and is a globally integrated minerals trading and investment company. Mitsubishi currently has investments in five of the top 20 copper mines in the world and is looking to continue to add to that world class pipeline. We have a significant United States business that has over 50 subsidiaries and affiliates across various business sectors and manages $9,000,000,000 in total assets in North America. This strategic partnership validates the attractive long term value of Copper World as a world class copper asset and endorses the strong technical capabilities of Hudbay. We've also amended the Wheaton precious metal stream at Copper World as summarized on Slide 10.

Speaker 2

This enhanced stream provides an additional contingent payment of up to $70,000,000 on future potential mill expansion milestones and recognizes the long term potential at Copper World. We've also modernized the ongoing payments for gold and silver from fixed pricing to 15% of spot prices to provide upside exposure to higher precious metals prices. The JV transaction initial cash contributions plus future pro rata equity capital contributions from Mitsubishi provides significant financial flexibility for Hudbay by reducing our estimated share of the remaining capital contributions to approximately $200,000,000 estimates. It also defers our first capital contribution to 2028 at the earliest. Slide 11 highlights our 3P plan that we implemented in late twenty twenty two to guide investment and value creation at Copper World.

Speaker 2

The announcements of the Mitsubishi joint venture and the enhanced Wheaton stream together with the recent achievement of our stated balance sheet targets has successfully completed the key elements of our 3P plan. Since 2022, we have secured all required permits for Copper World Phase one. Definitive feasibility studies are well underway and on track for completion by mid-twenty twenty six as we advance the project towards a sanction decision. With the financial results we announced today, we completed all of the key elements of our prudent financing strategy. We are well positioned to build one of the next major copper mines in The United States, while continuing to maintain a strong balance sheet throughout the build.

Speaker 2

Copper World will support the United States government's foreign investment and national security objectives with direct $1,500,000,000 of investment into The U. S. Critical mineral supply chain, which also represents one of the largest investments in Southern Arizona's history. Hudbay is the fourth largest copper company listed on the New York Stock Exchange and with the majority of our shareholders domiciled in The United States, we are pleased to advance America's next major copper mine. Copper World is a critical minerals project that underpins The United States as a global leader in copper production.

Speaker 2

We are supported by a partner with a large operational footprint in The United States, deep ties to the domestic economy and the history of significant investment into The United States. The fully permitted initial phase of the Copper World project is located on private land owned by Hudbay. The mine is expected to produce 85,000 tons of copper per year over an initial twenty year mine life with an average of 92,000 tons per year expected over the first ten years. During the three year construction period, Copper World is expected to create more than 1,000 jobs and will engage union labor for project construction with letters of commitments currently in place with seven U. S.

Speaker 2

Labor unions. Copper World is also expected to contribute over $850,000,000 in U. S. Taxes and create more than 400 direct jobs and 3,000 indirect jobs in Arizona once in production. Our made in America copper production will contribute to the domestic U.

Speaker 2

S. Copper supply chain and strengthen manufacturing capacity, national security and energy independence. Turning to Slide 13, Copper World is the most advanced greenfield project in our portfolio and offers significant copper exposure and highly attractive project economics. With this successful JV milestone at Copper World, we will continue to derisk the project by accelerating detailed engineering, some key long lead items and other derisking activities this year, resulting in an additional $20,000,000 in growth capital expenditures that have been advanced to 2025 from future years. As a result, 2025 Arizona growth spending guidance has increased to $110,000,000 from $90,000,000 on a 100% basis.

Speaker 2

Copper World is one of the highest grade open pit copper projects in The Americas with mineral reserves of three eighty five million tons at 0.54% copper. Once in production, Copper World expected to be one of the largest copper producers in The United States. Concluding on Slide 14, Hudbay currently produces more than 130,000 tons of copper per year, which is further augmented by more than 250,000 ounces of gold per year, offering commodity diversification and cash flow resiliency in volatile pricing environments. In our pipeline of near term and long term copper growth, Copper World positions us well to benefit from strong long term copper market fundamentals. Once Copper World is in production, we expect our annual copper production to grow by more than 50% from current levels.

Speaker 2

This will reinforce our position as one of the largest Americas focused pure play copper producers with a well balanced and geographically diversified portfolio of assets. Our expected production will be weighted approximately one third in each of Canada, The United States and Peru. And the significant increase in copper production from Copper World will further enhance Hudbay's exposure to copper with more than 70% of consolidated production and revenue expected to be derived from copper. Hudbay's existing strong operating platform in Tier one minuteing jurisdictions and resilient balance sheet offers significant upside potential for further value creation at higher copper and gold prices. Through our new JV partnership, we will leverage our complementary strengths to deliver Copper World, produce domestic copper in The United States for the domestic critical mineral supply chain and unlock significant value in our long term copper growth pipeline.

Speaker 2

At the same time, we continue to advance our many other high return growth opportunities to unlock value across the portfolio and create meaningful value for all our stakeholders. And with that, we are pleased to take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Today's first question comes from Ralph Profiti with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks, operator, and good morning, everyone. Congratulations on a quite significant deal. Peter, I have one question on commercial arrangements and then maybe one for Union on the balance sheet. Firstly, will Mitsubishi be allowed commercial off take in proportion to that 30%, Peter? And have you looked at the ability for commercial arrangements to place concentrates in U.

Speaker 3

S. Smelters or is there the possibility to either bring forward the concentrate leach facility or even expand it?

Speaker 2

Good morning, Ralph and thanks very much for your kind words. The short answer to your question is on the first item is yes. So they will have Mitsubishi will have rights to 30% off take that's consistent with their ownership share. As far as where that concentrate would be placed, it remains to be seen because we haven't really got into that level of detail. On the other hand, I think the other question that you raised was with respect to the Albion process.

Speaker 2

And of course Albion is it's part of the pre feasibility study. We plan to get it into operation as soon as possible. And sorry, was your question with respect to when we would do it or could you repeat that please?

Speaker 3

Yes, Peter. The potential to bring forward from year four that concentrate lease facility, which is in the current pre feasibility study, is that a possibility?

Speaker 2

Yes. Absolutely. And that will be completely studied in the feasibility study that we undertake together with our partner, but absolutely a possibility.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Peter. Eugene, when you look at the leverage ratio of the balance sheet and the cash flow generating power of Hudbay in the next few years, it reduces the project financing number to a relatively small number. And I would have thought that there's a possibility that this can perhaps be foregone? Or is there strategic special interests or cost of capital that Mitsubishi is bringing to the table? And is this the reason that this still is an advantageous to the deal?

Speaker 3

And what's your thinking behind that?

Speaker 4

Thanks for the question, Ralph. And yes, we're really pleased to bring on Mitsubishi as an equity joint venture partner. And as you can see from the slides, the JV proceeds plus the capital contributions from Mitsubishi contribute to over 50% of the project capital. And using, I'll call it light version of project level financing at about one third that makes HUD based equity contribution only 15% of the capital. We think that's kind of one third equity is kind of the right way or one third debt is kind of the right way to look at funding a project to the size, it's manageable.

Speaker 4

We think that there is project level financing that is available to this project and for variety of sources, both from U. Based sources and potentially with our partner that will help the equity returns for both Hudbay and Mitsubishi. So it's kind of an enviable position to be in. We want to build this project with a lower level of debt, but also with some debt that has a low cost of capital to generate the most efficient returns, but also sustainably be able to build this project on a risk adjusted basis that provides the most shareholder value for our shareholders.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you. It's a very strong deal.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ralph.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Orest Wowkodaw with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning. Yes, I echo Ralph's comments. Congratulations on the transaction. I have a few more questions on how you're thinking about Copper World. Has there been any discussion with the U.

Speaker 5

S. Administration about potentially moving forward with the Rosemont part sooner than Phase two? And whether there potentially might be some give and take on the permitting related to that now?

Speaker 2

Good morning, Orest. And again, thank you for the kind comments. Look, think that I guess the overall comment is that we completely and absolutely focused on Phase one of Copper World. It's fully permitted. We own the land.

Speaker 2

It's simple. It's got a twenty year mine life, three eighty five million tons of reserves. And so right now there is no need to enter into discussions related to the next phase of Copper World. That said, we do think that the current federal environment is highly constructive and we've been encouraged by the bipartisan support that we have for developing the overall project. But at this point, we are completely focused on Phase one.

Speaker 2

Let's get that done. Let's get the feasibility study done. Let's get into operation and we'll turn our attention to Phase two once we've done that.

Speaker 5

Okay. The feasibility study you mentioned is underway. A couple of questions there. The idea of moving forward the Albion process, if you do bring it forward, can we still assume that's not going to be at the front end, which would obviously increase the capital and the risk profile?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think it's pretty safe to assume that, Orest. We'll take a look with our partner during feasibility of what the optimal timing for it is. But at this point, we're not looking at increasing CapEx associated with Albion.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then it's been a couple of years since you issued CapEx estimate for Copper World. I know you're in the early stages of the feasibility, but can you give us any sense of whether you're seeing any major cost inflation from the previous number?

Speaker 2

Sure. I mean, we live in an inflationary cost environment and there will likely be modest increases to the initial CapEx at Copper World since the last figure that we published back in the 2023 PFS. But that being said, remember that we're also seeing higher copper prices today and there is a more bullish long term view of future copper price given the supply demand fundamentals. So we do see that there will be mild CapEx escalation. But in any event, Copper World will still be substantially funded even in the case of a modest CapEx increase.

Speaker 5

Okay. Final question, is there any major scope changes in the feasibility study versus the other study? I'm just wondering if you're bigger processing facility or anything like that?

Speaker 2

No, there are no changes foreseen in the current feasibility study in terms of scope. Contemplated the idea of an expansion after we go into production, but that won't be part of the definitive feasibility study scope.

Speaker 5

I see. Thank you very much and congratulations.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Orest.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Dalton Baretto with Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Good morning, Peter and team. Really excellent work on this. I wanted to start by asking about any potential approvals here. I'm thinking back to the challenges Nippon Steel had with their acquisition of U.

Speaker 6

S. Steel. Do you think this transaction raises any eyebrows in Washington and do you need any approvals there?

Speaker 2

I mean that's a great question, Dalton. I so I don't believe that it does. We do plan to file a Sofia's brief or whatever one calls it, but it's not a requirement, we do plan to do that, but we don't see any complexity associated with that.

Operator

This project

Speaker 4

enables the production of made in America copper and we feel that this is job grading and aligned with the U. S. Administration's critical minerals intentions for national security and U. S. Supply chain strengthening.

Speaker 2

And Dalton, I would just add to what Eugene says that this is a minority stake and this minority stake is going to facilitate the creation of a lot of jobs in The United States as well as new investment in The United States.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks for that, Peter. And then as a follow-up, I wanted to ask the same question Orest asked on the Albion, but sort of reverse it. Your balance sheet is in great shape and yes, there'll be a bit more CapEx involved. But on the flip side, right, there's a lack of smelting capacity in The U.

Speaker 6

S. There's a potential a tariff could come in on concentrate export and then there's the obvious social benefits there. Is there any reason like what sort of reasons would you have for not bringing it to the front end?

Speaker 2

Dalton, I think that that's a subject that needs to be properly studied in the feasibility study. So you can be absolutely assured that as we go through the feasibility study with our partner that we will investigate the optimal approach to developing this project. But at this point, we are saying that Albion will be coming to production separately, will be part of a separate estimate, but for sure we will study it in the feasibility study.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you, Peter. That's all for me.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Fahad Tariq with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thanks for taking my question. Can you maybe walk through Manitoba in the third quarter? I'm just trying to get a better sense of grades and see if the higher grades will continue and potentially be an offset for the continued shutdowns? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. Thanks

Speaker 8

for the question. It's Andre. So the grades are pretty much the same rate through the year. So they're pretty flat through to the end of the year. So there's no major variation from what we're seeing.

Speaker 8

We did have a very strong quarter surprise in Q1 with grades, but and those happen from time to time, but it's very consistent through the year. And so we the fire situation is actually getting much, much better. And they've been getting rain and the fires passed through town. And so we're really expecting operations to resume this month and looking forward to that meeting our guidance forecast that we were projecting to the end of the year.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then apologies if I missed the answer to this or if this was already asked, but are you having any discussions with the current U. S. Administration that could help with Copper World Phase II or Mason permitting?

Speaker 2

Fahad, no, we're not having discussions right now related to Phase two. We're completely focused on Phase one. Phase two is down the road. Let's get Phase one done. And then once it's behind us, we'll focus on what Phase two might look like.

Speaker 2

But what I would add or what I added is that we do view the current environment in The United States on a bipartisan basis as well as the current administration to be highly constructive with respect to the project. And I think that will stay in Phase two in good stead, but we're focused on Phase one right now because it's on private land, three eighty five million tons of reserves, twenty year mine life, perfect partner. We've got our work cut out for us.

Speaker 7

Fair enough.

Speaker 8

the Mason one there, Peter, I think with this deal allows us to look at our portfolio at other opportunities and Mason is another great opportunity in our portfolio and there's with the current administration and permitting, it's right to be advanced as well. So I think this deal does set us up to be able to look at other opportunities in our portfolio. Absolutely.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Matthew Murphy of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi. Just modeling out the Copper World financing, the waterfall you have in terms of project financing structure. How do we think about order of funding sources then? Is that representative that like first you would do the Wheaton stream, then project finance and then this JV capital would get drawn and then your capital goes in last alongside whatever else additional capital Mitsubishi has to put in?

Speaker 4

Hi, Matt. It's Eugene here. Actually, the waterfall is a simplification of the sources of capital rather than the order. The order of capital is a much longer spreadsheet. But I think what you can the priority of the funding is the first funding comes from this JV partner and the proceeds that are in this deal, dollars $420,000,000 on closing followed by $180,000,000 within eighteen months of closing.

Speaker 4

That's sort of the first piece of capital that's going to be used. Upon sanctioning the Wheaton stream, 50,000,000 of the $230,000,000 is due. And having spent about $100,000,000 in project spend, the next one hundred and eighty million dollars of Wheaton's comes through. So the first significant portion of capital comes directly from the JV proceeds and Wheaton. The project financing, we expect to be arranged at time of sanctioning and that would be available to be drawn as a next piece of capital.

Speaker 4

And then the last piece of capital would be the seventy-thirty piece of equity that Hudbay and Mitsubishi jointly fund. So that's one of the reasons why we said in our in this agreement that it allows Hudbay's equity funding to be delayed until 2028 at the earliest, which is what gives us the very strong IRR of 90 plus percent from a project IRR to Hudbay versus a project IRR of around 20% for the project.

Speaker 9

Got it. Okay. Thanks for that. Separate question. Good to hear that you've fared okay through the fires.

Speaker 9

That's a relief. Just have you been able to do your exploration programs this summer? And what is what's the outlook for getting drilling to work? And maybe I'll include Peru as part of that question. Do you have any update on your timing where you actually get drills turning in Peru?

Speaker 2

Sure, Matt. It's Peter. We did conduct exploration program or we started an exploration program in Manitoba during the summer. Obviously that was interrupted by the wildfires both in Flin Flon and in Snow Lake. So exploration there has been paused right now.

Speaker 2

Once the conditions abates then we'll go back So there's nothing significant coming out of Manitoba right now, but we do expect to have a very, very strong continued exploration program through the winter. In Peru, same the status is similar. We don't have a time at which we'll start exploration at Maria Reyna and Caballito because the Consulta Previa process has to be completed first. That's underway right now.

Speaker 2

We don't have a precise date at when we'll get it because it's in the hands of the government, but it's the last piece that remains before we actually start drilling.

Speaker 8

Peter just to add to that is, so as we press released earlier, we did sign an agreement with Mosihikenin Cree Nation and around the Talbot deposit and the area has cleared for us from the fires from those and we have two drills currently operating and drilling off that deposit. So a couple of the other drills are capped as Peter mentioned, but that program is up and running and doing well. So we'll look to see some results in the future. Perfect.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Shane Nagel at Bank National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks, operator. Most of my questions have been asked here, but congratulations again on a good transaction at Copper World and a good quarter as well. Just a couple of questions. One, maybe on the intricacies of this matching contribution, the $180,000,000 Is that basically covering your costs as they're incurred within the project? And is that $180,000,000 truly Hudbay share?

Speaker 10

Is that $180,000,000 into the JV? Just trying to better understand the mechanics of that second contribution.

Speaker 4

Hi, Shane. The $180,000,000 is straight into the JV. And as I think I mentioned to Matt, that's basically the first $600,000,000 of project work will be funded from the JV proceeds, including the initial earn in and the matching contribution, which will be within eighteen months of closing.

Speaker 10

Okay. So it's not entirely net to Hudbay in terms of the total $600,000,000 number. It's kind of into the JV?

Speaker 4

Yes. That's the most efficient way to take the proceeds into the project and ensure the project gets developed with the lowest level of equity capital contribution for Hudbay going forward.

Operator

Okay.

Speaker 10

Then just secondly on Constancia and Pampacancha, you mentioned the mine sequencing being impacted in Q3 just through the protest and we'll see the deposit now depleted in Q1. This mean that there's more stockpiles to be processed in Q3 as well as a result of that?

Speaker 8

Yes. This is Andrea. Yes, you're correct. So there's so we're processing a little bit more stockpile in the quarter and but not slowing down Pampacancha. So Pampacancha is going full bore.

Speaker 8

So it's more of a blend of the two looking forward.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. That's all from me. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. And that concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Candace Brule for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please reach out to our Investor Relations team.

Operator

Thank you. This brings us to the close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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