Nano Nuclear Energy Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Acquisition of Cronos MMR accelerates Nanonuclear’s position as a North American microreactor leader, targeting a U.S. construction permit application by year-end at UIUC and reengaging Canada’s licensing process.
  • Positive Sentiment: Closed a private placement for net proceeds of $99,000,000, boosting cash to $210 million and enabling faster development of Cronos and strategic fuel-chain investments.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Pursuing a vertically integrated fuel strategy via collaborations with LIST Technologies for laser enrichment and licensing of a HALEU transportation basket, while exploring upstream supply-chain partnerships.
  • Positive Sentiment: Key regulatory milestones achieved include an NRC-approved fuel qualification methodology, a strategic build agreement with UIUC and a master services agreement with AECOM for site engineering and environmental planning.
  • Negative Sentiment: Year-to-date operating expenses rose by ~$28 million, driving a net loss of $32 million, with projected cash burn of $40 million over the next 12 months as R&D and G&A costs increase.
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Earnings Conference Call
Nano Nuclear Energy Q3 2025
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There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Nanonuclear Energy Third Fiscal Quarter Financial Results and Business Update Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Matt Berry, Director of Investor Relations and Capital Markets.

Operator

You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on the call today are JU, Nanonuclear's Founder, Chairman and President our CEO, James Walker and CFO, Jason Garca. Please note that today's earnings release and slide presentation to accompany today's webcast are available on our website. Before moving ahead, I'll quickly address forward looking statements made on this call. Listeners should note that today's presentation will contain certain forward looking statements about Nanonuclear's future plans and potential milestones that are made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the applicable federal securities laws.

Speaker 1

Words such as aim, may, could, should, seek, expects, intends, plans, believes, anticipates, hopes, estimates, goal and variations of such words and similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements. These statements are based upon many assumptions and estimates made by management, all of which are inherently subject to significant risks, uncertainties and contingencies, many of which are beyond Nano's control. Many of these are shown on the slide you see here. You're cautioned that actual results, including without limitation, the results of our micro reactor development activities, strategies and other operational plans, including the results of our regulatory acquisition and research and development initiatives, as well as future potential results of operations or operating metrics and other matters about the future, which may be discussed, may differ materially and adversely from those expressed or implied by the forward looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially include, but are not limited to, the risk factors and other disclosures contained in Nano's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the risk factors and other disclosures in our most recent Form 10 ks and other filings with the SEC, including today's Form 10 Q filing, all of which are or will be accessible on the Investor Relations section of Nano's website as well as the SEC's website.

Speaker 1

You're encouraged to review these disclosures carefully. Except to the extent required by law, Nano assumes no obligation to update statements as circumstances change. With that, I'll turn the call over to JU, Nano's Founder, Chairman and President.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Matt, and thank you to everyone joining the call today. NanoNuclear continues to benefit from the global nuclear renaissance driven by several long term sustainable growth trends and significant regulatory tailwinds. These include growth in AI data centers, industrial reshoring and the broader electrification driving a significant need for clean and reliable power. Energy sustainability, energy independence and climate mandates requiring reliable zero emissions energy. Unprecedented bipartisan legislative and policy support, and most importantly broad recognition that advanced reactors will be crucial to future clean energy infrastructure.

Speaker 2

As we look at our competitive position in the advanced nuclear space, our January 2025 acquisition of Cronos MMR microreactor has accelerated our trajectory positioning us as a North American leader in the race to microreactor commercialization. Our team continued to build upon a strong start to 2025 by delivering another solid quarter of progress, highlighted by several strategic milestones in advancing our Cronos MMR towards construction, demonstration, licensing and deployment in The U. S. And Canada. We're confident that Cronos' proven high temperature gas reactor design, significant R and D investment by its previous owner and numerous patents validate its high technology readiness level, differentiating it from our competition.

Speaker 2

We also continue to advance our commercially focused vertically integrated strategy to derisk microreactor development and deployment and enhance our competitive position. Before founding the company, our team spoke to key industry stakeholders at the DOE, NRC and National Labs, as well as leaders in various companies with exposure to the nuclear fuel cycle. Our conversations confirmed our belief that the next generation fuel will be significant bottleneck for advanced reactors, and having access to advanced fuel will be critical to successful development and deployment of our micro reactors. We've since entered in collaborations expanded our internal capabilities to address key bottlenecks, including enrichment and transportation of next generation fuel and continue to evaluate attractive opportunities to further de risk our fuel supply chain. Equally as important, more institutional investors are recognizing our long term value proposition.

Speaker 2

As previously announced in late May, we closed on a private placement for net proceeds of $99,000,000 including primary participation from fundamental institutional investors. This private placement not only strengthened our balance sheet and expanded institutional ownership, but more importantly, is enabling us to accelerate development of our Cronos MMR and take advantage of attractive opportunities to derisk our nuclear fuel supply chain and deliver shareholder value. With a stronger balance sheet and growing support from long term oriented institutional investors, we believe we're well positioned to capitalize on the broader macro trends driving demand for advanced nuclear solutions. I'd like to now provide more color around the secular tailwinds we are experiencing that shape our original vision, trends that are now increasingly recognized across both the industry and investment community. Nuclear energy has emerged as the leading alternative clean source of base low power, well positioned to deliver both reliable and zero carbon emission output.

Speaker 2

Our team identified early on that achieving net zero targets in many countries would be virtually impossible without significant expansion of nuclear capabilities. Fossil fuels such as natural gas, oil and coal are capable of providing consistent baseload power. They can at times be constrained by geography due to the need for continuous refueling and are unable to meet the standards set by global climate mandates and decarbonization goals. Renewable sources like wind, solar and hydroelectric will play an important role in the global energy transition. However, faces its own limitations.

Speaker 2

Their effectiveness is often geographically dependent on favorable natural conditions and in this case of wind and solar, they struggle to provide stable and around the clock base low power. More and more countries and companies are placing a premium baseload capable energy sources, which offer a high capacity factor and are not dependent on local climate or geography, leaving nuclear energy as a clear winner. As a result, there is a growing global commitment amongst countries, leading institutions and the world's largest energy users to triple nuclear capacity by 2,050, solidifying growth in nuclear energy as a secular trend for the coming decades. Several of the world's largest tech leaders are rapidly expanding their nuclear energy capabilities to address their growing needs for scalability, clean and reliable baseload energy to enable projected growth in their AI data centers. Over the last twelve months, several major tech leaders announced substantial partnerships or plans to secure nuclear energy to support their data center projects, highlighting the importance of nuclear energy, empowering the future centered around AI.

Speaker 2

The combination of expected growth in AI data centers, the restoring in industrial supply chains and the electrification of various industries is prompting analysts to raise their projections for U. S. Electricity consumption through 02/1930. Goldman Sachs projected demand for power to rise at approximately 2.4% CAGR between 2022 to 02/1930, a significant increase over the prior decade where U. S.

Speaker 2

Power demand was essentially flat. Notably, more than a third of the expected increase through 2030 was projected to be driven by data centers estimated to comprise 8% of U. S. Power by 2030 versus 3% in 2022. The growing reliance on nuclear by major tech companies have reinforced this strategic importance, not just for clean energy but for national competitiveness.

Speaker 2

Politicians at the highest level of the U. S. Government has consistently agreed on the strategic importance of nuclear power in addressing national security, energy independence, climate goals and global leadership in AI. This has resulted in nuclear energy emerging as one of the few topics that has garnered broad bipartisan support in Washington and notable achievements in today's polarizing political environment. Over the past seven years, nuclear energy has benefited from consistent legislative and executive support across both Republican and Democratic administrations, reflecting durable bipartisan recognition of its strategic importance.

Speaker 2

Legislative and executive actions have focused on streamlining regulatory processes, reducing licensing timelines and costs, establishing incentives for nuclear development and deployment, supporting the build out of domestic fuel supply chain and accelerating commercialization of advanced reactors through targeted initiatives. In May 2025, the Trump administration issued four executive orders representing an unprecedented level of federal support for nuclear energy, signaling a new phase of regulatory momentum. In addition to several actions aimed at accelerating the development and deployment of nuclear energy in The U. S, with a notable emphasis on the development of advanced nuclear technologies, the directive set a national objective to quadruple nuclear energy capacity by 02/1950. In combination with the strong foundation of bipartisan legislative and prior regulatory actions over the past several years, we believe these policy shifts are highly supportive of our strategy and it will help accelerate and development and deployment of our micro reactors and nuclear fuel capabilities.

Speaker 2

As we look ahead, we have never been more excited for the future of our company and more confident we have the right team to execute our vision. Before turning over the call to our CEO, I'd like to provide some insight into Nanonuclear's corporate culture, which we believe is helping to drive our efforts and accomplishments. For years, nuclear energy has been dominated by big energy players, big bureaucracy and strong academic focus. We are now working to change this. We are now pursuing a commercially focused vertically integrated strategy in a nimble and entrepreneurial way.

Speaker 2

We went public early to capture the industry's tailwinds. We saw and tap into the public market enthusiasm rather than relying on government grants. We're relentlessly driven and we are laser focused on progressing our programs with a view to ultimately commercialize following regulatory licensing. Our team members who have joined us from government and academic roles find our approach motivating and very exciting. We believe this culture differentiates us from many of our competitors and is a competitive advantage in the microreactor race.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll hand the call over to James Walker, our CEO, who will provide an update of our business and additional color around our strategy.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jay. Nano delivered another strong quarter of progress highlighted by several strategic milestones and collaborations during the quarter and in recent weeks. First, we advanced our patented Cronos MMR energy system toward construction, demonstration and licensing with the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission or the NRC and deployment of our first reactor prototype at the University of Illinois Urbana Champaign or UIUC.

Speaker 3

In April, we executed a strategic collaboration agreement to build out our first Cronos MMR at the UIUC. We also received an approved fuel qualification methodology with topical report from the U. S. NRC for the project. Following the quarter, we executed a master services agreement with AECOM, a global infrastructure leader to support site specific engineering, environmental analysis and regulatory planning at UIUC.

Speaker 3

Each of these achievements are essential steps ahead of our planned construction permit application to the U. S. NRC. At the same time, we remain focused on resuming formal licensing activities of the Cronos MMR in Canada, where Cronos is the first micro reactor to have completed a Phase one review with the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission. We're optimistic the progress we're making in licensing Cronos with the NRC will streamline and support parallel advancement through Canada's licensing process.

Speaker 3

With the potential of being the first commercial microelectro in The U. S. To successfully file for construction permit application and the first licensed microelectro in Canada intended for commercial deployment, we believe Cronos positions us as the leader in the North American microelectro race. Secondly, in terms of new collaborations, Nano signed an MOU with UR America, a private exploration company in Argentina to explore strategic development across Argentina's uranium fuel supply chain. We believe this collaboration supports our strategies to secure the necessary capabilities to derisk and decentralize our fuel supply chain.

Speaker 3

Third, as Jay mentioned, our successful capital raise during the quarter bolstered our balance sheet, positioned us well to accelerate development of Cronos and take advantage of attractive opportunities to enhance our vertically integrated business model. In line with this plan, we acquired a 2.75 acre land and building package in Oak Brook, Illinois to provide engineering, R and D and manufacturing support for Cronos' development. Notably, we expect the facility to support our collaboration with UIUC, while also serving as a regional demonstration facility. Equally as important, we're actively pursuing commercial negotiations with several customers focused on projects, while also evaluating exciting early stage opportunities for remote projects or communities in The U. S, Canada and abroad that value reliable clean nuclear energy.

Speaker 3

And fourth, recent personal additions, product development wins and broadening institutional ownership validate our strong competitive position. We continue to attract and appoint high caliber talent to key leadership roles, highlighted by the appointment of former Texas Governor Secretary of Energy, Rick Perry, as Chairman of our Executive Advisory Board, Seth Burl, PhD and Global Chief Technologist at Intel to our Board of Directors, Vice Admiral Charles Leidig, a distinguished thirty nine year Navy veteran as Chairman of our Executive Advisory Board for Naval Nuclear Initiatives. And we also hired over a dozen engineers to support the advancement of Cronos through our licensing process. And we're planning on hiring up to 60 engineers, researchers and support staff at our new Illinois facility. In July, we successfully advanced our proprietary annular linear induction pump or ALIB technology with its assembly on a test loop and integration to a controllable test setup for variable design validation of our Westchester, New York demonstration facility.

Speaker 3

We believe our ALIP technology can enable the development of next generation reactors utilizing molten salts or liquid metals and advancing ALIPS through SBIR Phase three process has allowed us to mature the system extensively, potentially opening the door to commercial sales activities later this year or in 2026. Addition, our recent inclusion in Selective's global uranium and nuclear components total return index and by extension the Global X uranium ETF marks another exciting achievement. Notably, Nano's inclusion increases our exposure to institutions seeking broad participation in the growth of the uranium and the nuclear industries, while also validating our growing significance in the advanced nuclear industry. In combination, each of these key personnel additions and wins underscore the strength of our competitive positioning and long term strategic vision. And at the center of that vision are our micro reactors, which we believe are the future of nuclear energy.

Speaker 3

Traditional large scale reactors have been a key source of clean reliable baseload power over the past several decades, but have come with significant costs and citing challenges. They require substantial on-site construction, take many years to permit and don't benefit from modularity or factory based manufacturing in a large scale, often leading to significant cost overruns. In addition, due to their size and safety risk profile, they're unable to co locate the customer infrastructure, scale effectively or truly benefit from economies of scale. While smaller modular reactors or SMRs offer real promise and potential to address several of these challenges, several open questions remain, including how much of the design can truly be modular, how far mass manufacturing can be applied and whether they can scale cost effectively or be deployed directly at customer sites with reduced safety zones. This is where our portfolio of microactors led by Cronos offer compelling solutions.

Speaker 3

They're designed to be fully modular, assembled easily on-site and can scale alongside demand. They're also designed to benefit from economies of scale driven by mass manufacturing and factory fabrication. And our designs beyond Cronos have another substantial advantage of being portable. Micro reactors significantly reduce safety risks by utilizing advanced fuels and substantially lower fuel volume and also feature inherently safe designs, which open the door to co location at customer sites, whether that's a data center, a mining site or a military base. Most importantly, they enable clean reliable baseload power without complex on-site construction, lengthy permitting timelines and provide the option to serve remote projects off the grid.

Speaker 3

One of the strongest examples of how we're turning that vision into reality is our lead project, the Cronos MMR, a stationary modular system that combines a proven high temperature gas reaction design with high technological readiness to meet the growing demand for co located resilient and scalable power. Cronos is differentiated from the competition with its high technological readiness rooted in a proven high temperature gas reactor design that's been successfully used around the world in both research and commercial settings. We believe this global track record gives us a meaningful advantage, particularly when it comes to licensing where substantial historical data and familiarity with the reactor type could support a more streamlined regulatory path in both The U. S. And Canada.

Speaker 3

Cronos is currently advancing in both The U. S. And Canada's licensing process. In The U. S, our team is targeting submission of a construction permit application to the NRC for our first prototype at the UIUC towards the end of this year or early twenty twenty six and could be the first commercial microelector in The U.

Speaker 3

S. To reach this critical milestone. In Canada, Cronos is the first microelector to formally enter the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission's licensing process, validating the maturity of its technology and we're working to resume formal licensing activities that were previously underway. Prior to our acquisition of Cronos and other technology out of bankruptcy for less than $10,000,000 in January 2025, we believe more than $120,000,000 was raised for the development of Cronos by its previous owner. Moreover, Cronos is supported by numerous issued pending or published patents.

Speaker 3

We believe each of these factors derisk our development timeline and position us well to accelerate construction, licensing and deployment. With 15 megawatts electric and 45 megawatts thermal output, Cronos is ideally suited for high growth markets like data centers, where many units can be stacked, co located and deployed modularly, allowing us to scale efficiently while offering customers the benefits of energy resilience and the ability to cite power directly where needed. Notably, Cronos is as large as a reactor can be while still remaining fully modular and has been specifically designed to fully leverage the benefits of economies of scale through modularity, mass production, factory fabrication and large scale deployment. Ensuring the successful deployment of Cronos requires more than just reactor design, which is why we have made it a strategic priority to focus on securing key stages of the nuclear fuel supply chain and is why vertical integration is a key pillar of our approach. Our team recognized from a very early stage that the largest bottleneck to deploying advanced reactors isn't the reactor technology itself, but the fuel.

Speaker 3

As a result, we made the decision to gain exposure to areas like enrichment through our collaboration with the related parties called LIST Technologies or LIST. LIST owns the only U. S. Origin and patented laser enrichment technology, which we believe offers several major advantage over traditional methods such as gas diffusion, centrifuges and traditional laser enrichment solutions. This was also selected as one of the six prime contractors under the U.

Speaker 3

S. DOE's NEU acquisition program, which provides a total of $3,400,000,000 across all such contractors over a ten year period to strengthen domestic nuclear fuel supply chains to support the deployment of advanced nuclear technologies. This selection underscores recognition that its patented laser focused CRISA technology could play a critical role in securing the nation's future fuel supply for next generation reactors. And we are pleased to contribute to this important initiative as a key subcontractor. We view nuclear fuel transportation as another critical gap in the domestic supply chain, particularly for advanced nuclear fuels where commercial scale capabilities don't exist today.

Speaker 3

To address this, we've hired former UPS executives to lead our subsidiary, Advanced Fuel Transportation Inc. And we've exclusively licensed a patented high capacity halo fuel transportation basket developed by three major U. S. National nuclear labs and previously funded by the DOE. To support advancement of this technology, Nano has hired GNS, a leader in nuclear waste management to manufacture and optimize HALEU transportation system solution based on our fuel transportation basket design.

Speaker 3

As we look ahead, we're actively exploring additional opportunities, whether through collaborations or strategic M and A, to further expand our vertically integrated capabilities. Expanding our exposure to additional stages of the nuclear fuel cycle will not only enhance our potential commercial capabilities and strengthen our internal supply chain. It also aligns closely with where the U. S. Government and the DOE are focused in terms of funding, infrastructure and national energy security.

Speaker 3

We expect progress in these areas to offer potential for near term revenue generation in parallel with our core micro reactor development. We also believe this integrated approach gives us leverage to capture upside across multiple verticals as the broader advanced reactor market grows. Before turning the call over to our CFO to provide our financial highlights for the quarter, I'll quickly reiterate why we view nano nuclear energy as a compelling investment opportunity. Our flagship reactor, the Kronos MMR has a high technological readiness backed by a well known reactor design with decades of operational precedent and is emerging as a leader in the North American micro reactor race. With data center growth and climate mandates accelerating demand for clean reliable baseload power, the opportunity for advanced nuclear has never been stronger.

Speaker 3

We've taken a vertically integrated approach to derisk reactor development, strengthen our competitive position and provide additional exposure to growth in the advanced reactor industry. This includes a strategic related party collaboration that could provide access to a differentiated low cost enrichment solution for advanced fuels. We're also benefiting from historic bipartisan support in Washington with growing federal support for nuclear innovation and fuel infrastructure as well as growing support globally, which we believe should benefit advancement of our microactors. We have world class technical and regulatory teams with a nimble commercial strategy who are laser focused on execution. And with a strong balance sheet and a clear access to capital, we believe we're well positioned to execute, not just in deploying reactors, but in capturing value across the broader nuclear energy sector.

Speaker 3

I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Jason Garcher to discuss our Q3 financial highlights.

Speaker 4

Thank you, James. I'll now provide a summary of our year to date financial performance. The takeaway message here is simple. We have a strong balance sheet and are prudently deploying investor capital to achieve key corporate milestones and drive value for our shareholders. Year to date loss from operations was $35,800,000 an increase of approximately $28,000,000 from the comparable nine month prior year period.

Speaker 4

The increase was primarily driven by a $19,000,000 rise in G and A expenses, reflecting higher equity based compensation, professional fees and personnel costs to support advancements of Cronos and our other micro reactors. R and D expenses also increased by $8,500,000 due to higher development costs, equity based compensation and personnel costs for design and analysis of our microreactors. Year to date net loss totaled $32,000,000 up approximately $24,000,000 from the prior year period, reflecting the increase in R and D and G and A expenses just mentioned, partially offset by an approximately $4,000,000 increase in other income from higher interest income on a larger cash balance. Net cash used in operating activities increased by approximately $9,000,000 to $14,700,000 driven by a higher net loss, partially offset by an approximate $17,000,000 increase in equity based compensation. Turning to the balance sheet.

Speaker 4

Our overall cash position substantially increased during the period ending the period with cash and cash equivalents of $210,200,000 an approximate $92,000,000 increase from the end of our second fiscal quarter. The sequential increase was primarily driven by $99,000,000 in proceeds following a May 2025 private placement. We expect these proceeds to enable further advancement of Cronos development and licensing in The U. S. And Canada, while also supporting strategic M and A activities to enhance our vertical integration and provide initial revenue generation.

Speaker 4

As we continue to position Nano for long term growth, we also took steps during the quarter to further strengthen our financial flexibility. Following our recent shelf eligibility, we filed our first three year universal shelf registration statement, which included an at the market or ATM facility. It's important to note that as of today, our registration is still not effective and we are unable to comment on the timing in which it may become effective. Consistent with the rationale of our shelf, we established the ATM when it was procedurally efficient to do so, while recognizing that the ATM program, which has a relatively low cost of equity capital is designed to support any near term capital needs, while also supporting our long term growth. These actions align with our disciplined capital management strategy to expedite our long term growth and provide the flexibility to take advantage of favorable market conditions if they arise.

Speaker 4

As institutional interest in our company continues to grow, we believe it's important to have flexible and efficient capital tools in place to support advancement of Cronos. We remain focused on expanding our institutional shareholder base and we're encouraged by the increasing interest we're seeing from long term oriented institutional investors who recognize the strategic value of our business. We believe establishing the ATM facility is consistent with market practices for similar companies and reflects prudent capital planning as we seek to build long term institutional support. With that, I'll now turn the call over to the operator to open up the call for Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Grampp with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 5

Good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 6

Wanted to start first on the progress in Canada to license there. Think the press release referenced some potential, I guess, streamlining or parallel advancements through Canada's licensing process. So I was just hoping to get a little more color on what you guys view kind of reengagement they're looking like and any potential time line you'd like to put out. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. I'm happy to pick up this question. So Canada is a major focus for us at the moment. When we picked up the reactor system, the MMR, it had already gone through the Phase one in Canada. So the intention was to pick up the project exactly where it had left off.

Speaker 3

And what that's involved so far is taking the holding entity of that project out of bankruptcy and putting it into our possession. And we've almost completed that legal process now. But the benefit there is that that enables us to move straight into the phase two of the licensing process with the CNSC, the Canadian Federal Nuclear Regulator. And so that's been one aspect to it. The other there's been three real aspects to the Canadian project.

Speaker 3

There's the entity that we needed to take out of bankruptcy so we could move into the phase two. And the other part of it has also been, the collaboration with the Canadian Nuclear Laboratory CNL. So they have allocated us land at Chalk River, and they've already picked out the spot and it's been allocated by the province. Now we've been working with them in the past couple of months about putting together all of the legal paperwork, plans, financial demonstration that we're able to pull this project off. We're now moving into the final stages of final contractual negotiations with CNL for that land.

Speaker 3

And the final component to this as well is that the Canadian government has a significant interest in this project as well because they have a number of territories that have a lot of communities with that subsist of remote diesel. And this is the most advanced reactor systems is going through the licensing process in Canada that could actually service these areas. I think which number about 300. So the Canadian government is looking to involve their Strategic Innovation Fund or SIFF the investment of this project. So it would potentially be a collaboration with the Canadian Youth Laboratories, the Canadian government, going through a regulatory process, which has already been started and progressed quite comprehensively.

Speaker 3

So all of these different aspects, we're putting it together. This hasn't been publicly announced yet because these negotiations and arrangements are still ongoing. But this is all the work that we've been doing over the past several months with CNL, Canadian government, CIF and CNSC.

Speaker 5

Awesome. Then Jeff, I would yes, like add

Speaker 2

this is Jay Jeff, thank you for that question. This also positions Nanonuclear as a North American provider of events nuclear technologies to once we reestablish Canada. This also separates us from, I would say, other U. S. Reactor company micro reactor companies.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Jay. Yes, that's really helpful. Shifting gears for my follow-up. On ALIF, you guys mentioned some potential commercial sales opportunities there that you might be pursuing.

Speaker 3

Can you

Speaker 6

just educate me on what the next steps to commercialize that and what kind of market opportunities, those might entail?

Speaker 3

Sure. So at the moment, I think one of the focuses of the ALIP project is to complete the SBIR Phase three process, with the DOE. And what that will enable us to do then is become the default contractors for supplying this type of technology where needed by the government. But once that is completed and we've gone through that project, essentially validating the commercialization of it, we were obviously in several discussions with potential customers to buy this. Where this could be potentially useful, it's on both the fission and the fusion side of things.

Speaker 3

So on the fission side of things with advanced reactors, if you take, any type of reactor that uses sort of an advanced coolant like lead or salt, molten salt, that kind of thing, You need a fairly comprehensive pump system to be able to move that kind of heavy coolant around the system. If you can if you can electromagneticize the the coolant and then move it around through the ALIF, you can significantly reduce the size of the reactor and the complexity of it. So effectively saving quite a lot of cost saving, especially on some of these larger small modular reactors that utilize, more heavy coolants. So certainly on the fission side of it, those are very much in our crosshairs with regard to sales. And there's already been some initial discussions with some of the large SMR manufacturers, about this technology being utilized within their systems.

Speaker 3

And on the fusion side of things, they have a need to move around, a lot of heavy materials around the fusion reactor. Again, the complexity involved in a pump system in moving this kind of thing is very exact. And to de risk a fusion technology, it could benefit substantially from an electromagnetic system, which has a lot more control over it than a pump system, which also because of the size of it, if it was to break in a the same sort of thing in a conventional fission reactor, you effectively have a reactor that's rendered impotent or inoperable. So there's two sides of it. And there are other applications that are being looked at at the moment.

Speaker 3

There's some discussions at the moment with space agencies about how ALIP could be utilized in space to reduce the size of components that are being actually delivered into space. I would say these discussions might be a bit further out because the space industry is a bit more unpredictable in terms of development, but it's certainly something we're examining at the moment with a couple of space agencies.

Speaker 6

Those are really helpful details, James. I appreciate all the color. I'll turn it back.

Speaker 5

Thank you guys for the time.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sameer Joshi from H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 5

Hey, good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just had a question on cash usage during the remainder of 2025 and into 2026. I know I think James mentioned expansion and hiring around 60 personnel, engineering and operating personnel. How should we see the operating expenses ramp from here over the next eighteen months.

Speaker 5

Part of the reason is, I think most of the GAAP numbers that you show are garbled by the stock based comps and other non cash items. So just if we can get an idea of cash expenses over the next eighteen months, that would be good.

Speaker 4

Yes. It's Jason on the call for this question. Thanks for the question. We mentioned in our MD and A that we estimate our cash burn going into the next twelve months to be around $40,000,000 So it will be largely as James mentioned in his description, hiring more staff and personnel as well as the other support costs to keep the operations going. We will also be updating that as things change.

Speaker 4

But currently, that's what our current projection is over the next twelve months.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then you're targeting the construction permitting application for Kronos, I think later this year or early twenty twenty six. And given the executive order of eighteen months or any reactor of any type, do you expect like mid July twenty twenty seven kind of time frame to receive this approval? Or is this something different?

Speaker 3

It's actually a very good question. So what we would love to aim for it to complete the construction permit application by the end of this year. At latest, it will be completed in Q1 next year for the construction permit. Typically, like the eighteen months executive order mandate, that actually applies to all license applications no matter what they are. So whether it's formal licensing process for a reactor, site license or even a construction permit.

Speaker 3

But obviously each of these carry different levels of work for the NRC and have different timelines that can be expected. We would typically expect some of the license application or sorry, construction permit application of this type to take around twelve months time to be approved and issued. And at that point, obviously, can start doing groundwork, concrete pouring, all of the above necessary initial steps that can go in towards the construction of a reactor system. Just to give an example, I think there's only other one company that's progressing at the moment along the construction strategy and that's Kairos' reactor. And they had a much more novel reactor design, and theirs was approved within a sixteen month time frame.

Speaker 3

I would expect that ours would be slightly less or at least commensurate with that. But the eighteen month, I think that was more geared towards licensing times for new reactor systems than just construction permits. Would hope that it would be a bit lower, but we were obviously prudently estimating for between twelve and eighteen months, eighteen months of the complete reach, but I don't think it will take that long.

Speaker 5

Understood. And then just your strategy of vertical integration, you already have the transportation part, you have sort of you're also participating in the fabric fuel side of things. So when you are saying that you will be targeting further integration, are we talking about additional fuel processing, enrichment, fabrication technologies or supply chain partners? What should we think about in terms of your targets?

Speaker 3

So it's a good question actually. So when we were building up the company and we were advancing the reactor systems, we obviously realized that the big bottleneck to success for any reactor system is the fuel. And usually that focuses everybody up on the enrichment part because it's the major components of the fuel cycle to get it to that point. And certainly the biggest costs, components of actually taking natural grade uranium ore and turning it into a usable product that can go into a reactor system. But there's many other components that go along with it too.

Speaker 3

So mining, milling, conversion are all upstream of the enrichment process. Now, Nano has obviously invested very heavily into List Technologies. It is a related party transaction. It is a separate company for legal purposes and proliferation reasons. But we're pretty confident of that technology.

Speaker 3

Everything before that, nano is actually examining, how to involve itself into derisk that upstream part of the supply chain. And that will include things like conversion, mining and milling. And the executive team at the moment is looking at all the different aspects of how Nano can be involved in that. So again, there's no public disclosures yet because nothing has been solidified by contractual arrangements yet. But I would expect in the future that Nano's vertically integrated strategy with regard to fuel supply chain will inevitably lead to greater involvement in that upstream process.

Speaker 3

So mining, milling and conversion, everything that precedes the enrichment. I think everything downstream of enrichments, deconversion is certainly possible. I don't believe we have any anticipation about being involved in the fabrication of triso fuel because we do already have a partner that has substantially progressed in that department that we're relatively happy with. But I think it would be very much in Nano's interest to derisk itself with particularly involvement in things like conversion where even if the enrichment issues get solved in The U. S, that will be a major significant bottleneck to even enrichment technology succeeding because it needs feed grade.

Speaker 3

Whether it's centrifuge or lasers, it needs U. Six feed.

Speaker 5

No, I understand. Thanks for that color James and thanks for taking my questions. Thank

Operator

you. Our final question comes from the line of Subhash Chandra with Benchmark. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 7

Yes. Hi, guys. Just curious, did you apply for the DOE Advanced Reactor pilot program? And then secondly, can we read anything into Radiance acceptance into that program? I mean, as another sort of high temp gas, TriSol, Hail U comp and reads like that program is meant to deploy these technologies quickly.

Speaker 7

Is that would that be a net benefit to Cronos? We would not

Speaker 3

so Jed, I was going to say we did not apply for that position of the DOE thing. We already have a license site that we're actually going be building a reactor at. If we were to apply and be successful for the DOE program, that would actually result in much higher costs to build a new reactor on DOE land, which would actually not even give us a commercial reactor. It's actually a bit when we actually really went through the opportunity in detail, it was only negatives for us. Greater costs, no commercial benefit, it would slow us down, it would divert personal resources.

Speaker 3

And also the timelines that were involved, we didn't really estimate that it would it was feasible for any reactor system to actually be critical by next year. And even if they were, that wouldn't even give them a commercial route. So I think you probably noticed as well that a lot of the larger companies also did not put in applications very likely for the same reason. Now, Radiant is an interesting one that you brought up because I do believe they have a worthwhile technology, not just because it's a high temperature gas reactor with TRISO. But they have a very reasonable team and they have a proven out technology in the same vein as us.

Speaker 3

Now we don't regard Radiant as a competition because their reactor system is much smaller than us, whereas we're catering towards larger systems like industrial operations, AI centers, data centers. Their system, their high temperature gas reactor is a one megawatt system, smaller, catering towards much more remote locations that we're aiming for. So there's no market overlap there. The mystery will be why they actually applied for this at all because obviously, even to source things like nuclear grade graphite, fabricating a reactor pressure vessel puts them outside of the DOE mandated timeline to criticality already. So we'll see how it pans out.

Speaker 3

Our guess is as good as yours, but there was certainly nothing but disadvantages as applying to this

Speaker 2

program. Yes. And I would like to add also, we're very supportive of these type of programs by the Department of Energy, but this wasn't a right fit for us. It wasn't a lack of interest. It was just that it fit our business model because we currently have a site already and we're looking to commercialize rapidly.

Speaker 2

So that was the main reason and we wish all these reactors luck and we're looking out for them and we're cheering for them because in the end if they win, nano wins.

Speaker 7

Yes. Great. Good color. And then a question I guess on the graphite James you mentioned. So I guess is that part of your containment too would be graphite, graphite beryllium something like that?

Speaker 7

And how would you sort of address maybe the supply chain there?

Speaker 3

This is actually a very excellent question because as we're getting the technology is very much developed. It's a high TRL level. We don't really have any risks on that front with regard knowing this will work. High temperature gas reactors have worked for many decades. The issue is we've already touched upon the fuel.

Speaker 3

Other really important components that are vital to the success of the reactor involve things like nuclear grade graphite, and things like the reactor pressure vessel. Now for nuclear grade graphite, really there are only three vendors that we can think of globally that could produce the necessary the graphite of a certain standard that can go into reactors. Think I believe two are in China or one are in Japan. Now the capacity to actually produce enough graphite is there. What will need to be done as we progress here is that we've realized that we can build a core manufacturing facility in The U.

Speaker 3

S. To produce the vast majority of the components of the reactor system. But there are very specialist components, which I don't think any reactor system or reactor company would be wise to undertake internally themselves, and that includes the graphite. Now we can obviously invest and put partnership agreements in place, and we're already in negotiations and discussions with suppliers for certain components that we know will need to be sourced for the purposes of our reactor by experts with experience in these areas. The nuclear grade graphite is obviously one of them.

Speaker 3

And another component might be something like the reactor pressure vessel, which is a very exact fabrication technique that needs to be done by a very experienced steel manufacturer because it's an incredibly complex piece of material. I think those two components alone would need to be outsourced to professionals and everything else Nano intends to build a core manufacturing facility to assemble everything else we can internally, much more basic components that don't need as much experience or expertise, can outsourced to these other groups. But nuclear grade graphite, think if you were to bring on a new capability anywhere else in the world, you would be looking at seven, eight, maybe ten years time to get up to a point where you're able to manufacture the graphite to a standard necessary to go into reactor systems. And it's probably not spoken about very much, but that is a very important aspect of any production strategy for a reactor.

Speaker 7

Yes. And James to that point, so nuclear grade graphite which I imagine the suppliers are then going for the light water reactors for the most part. But does that need to be modified and does that change the supply chain for high temp gas reactor?

Speaker 3

I wouldn't say it changed the supply chain totally because, already where graphite for reactor systems has already been sourced from those three vendors that we mentioned and they've tailored products beforehand. So it's essentially utilization of the same supply chain that the major differences will be the necessary capacity of those manufacturing operations. It will need to increase to meet the demand of manufacturing operations. But for things like high temperature gas reactors and

Speaker 5

look, I

Speaker 3

think there's already I think we can already view a sort of funneling of technologies within the reactor space. I mean, I look at high temperature gas reactors with TRISO, X Energy, ourselves, Radiant, just to mention two others, all of them are high temperature gas reactor TRISO for a very specific reason, very proven out tech, we'll know it work. And things like NuScaler, like water reactor systems, again, to navigate the complexity of reactors utilizing technology we need. I think more exotic reactor designs might stumble because the supply chains don't exist in as comprehensive way already. And that could be one of the factors that determines who gets to market or not even get who gets to market first, but is able to meet demand quickest.

Speaker 3

Quickest. That could be an instrumental factor into the success of certain reactor companies out there.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you. I learned something new every time. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. This now concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to J. Yu for closing comments.

Speaker 2

I want to thank everyone again for joining us on today's call. The interest and enthusiasm of our investors and the market participants is a big part of Nano's story And we're very grateful for the support we've received. We look forward to providing additional updates to you in the future. Have a great evening.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.

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