CommScope Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: CommScope entered into a definitive agreement to sell its CCS business to Amphenol for $10.5 billion in cash, with ~$10 billion net proceeds earmarked to repay debt, redeem preferred equity and return excess cash to shareholders via a dividend within 60–90 days of closing (expected in 2026).
  • Positive Sentiment: In Q2 2025, CommScope delivered net sales of $1.388 billion (up 32% Y/Y) and adjusted EBITDA of $338 million (up 79% Y/Y), marking the fifth consecutive quarter of sequential EBITDA improvement and lifting margins to 24.3%.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The A&S segment saw net sales rise 65% Y/Y to $322 million and adjusted EBITDA up 132%, driven by record DOCSIS 4.0 amplifier/node deployments and license sales, though management cautioned H2 EBITDA may moderate due to product mix and project timing.
  • Positive Sentiment: Ruckus revenue climbed 47% Y/Y and adjusted EBITDA jumped by $51 million, fueled by new Wi-Fi 7 products, AI-driven cloud services and vertical market strategies, with normalized channel inventory and added sales resources supporting strong 2025 growth prospects.
  • Positive Sentiment: CommScope raised its full-year 2025 adjusted EBITDA guidance to $1.15–1.20 billion and expects the RemainCo (A&S + Ruckus) to deliver $325–350 million of EBITDA, reflecting confidence in segment recoveries and cash flow generation.
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Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the CommScope Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Massimo DeSalvado, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Massimo Disabato
Massimo Disabato
VP, IR at CommScope Company

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today to discuss the recently announced CCS transaction and CommScope's twenty twenty five second quarter results. I'm Massimo De Sabado, Vice President of Investor Relations for CommScope and with me on today's call are Chuck Treadway, President and CEO and Kyle Lorenzen, Executive Vice President and CFO. You can find the slides that accompany this report on our Investor Relations website. Please note that some of our comments today will contain forward looking statements based on our current view of our business, and actual future results may differ materially. Please see our recent SEC filings, which identify the principal risks and uncertainties that could affect future performance. Before I turn the call over to Chuck, I have a few housekeeping items to review. Today, will discuss certain adjusted or non GAAP financial measures, which are described in more detail in this morning's earnings materials. Reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures and other associated disclosures are contained in our earnings materials and posted on our website. All references during today's discussion will be to our adjusted results. All quarterly growth rates described during today's presentation are on a year over year basis unless otherwise noted. I'll now turn the call over to our President and CEO, Chuck Tregue.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Thank you, Massimo. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin on Slide two. This morning, we announced that we entered into a definitive agreement to sell our CCS business to Amphenol for $10,500,000,000 in an all cash transaction. The deal is subject to customary closing conditions, including receipt of applicable regulatory and shareholder approval.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

We would expect the deal to close in the 2026. Ethanol is a strong buyer of the CCS assets. Our customers and our employees going with this transaction will be in very good hands. I'm excited to announce this transformational deal that unlocks equity value, returns cash to our shareholders and strengthens the business. Our equity price was not reflective of the true value of our company.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

This transaction now brings improved clarity to CommScope equity value. The company expects net proceeds after taxes and transaction expenses to be approximately $10,000,000,000 After repaying all of our debt, redeeming our preferred equity and adding modest leverage on the remaining company, we would expect to have significant excess cash. We expect to distribute this excess cash to our shareholders as a dividend within sixty to ninety days following the closing of the proposed transaction after taking into account all relevant factors. The exact amount and timing of the dividend will be determined by the company after closing. Like to personally thank our shareholders, debt holders, customers, suppliers and employees as we have navigated through challenging market conditions and leverage uncertainty.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

We really appreciate your patience. I'm excited for the future of the remaining A and S and Ruckus businesses. They have been a bit slower to recover than the CCS business. However, both of these businesses have had very strong second quarters and are poised for continued strong performance and growth. The second quarter twenty twenty five LTM adjusted EBITDA for these businesses is $300,000,000 RemainCo is well positioned to deliver year over year growth in 2025 with strong cash flow generation.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

As we move through the second half of the year, we will provide updates on the pending transaction and positioning of RemainCo as appropriate. Now on to our second quarter results on Slide three. In the second quarter, CommScope delivered net sales of $1,388,000,000 a year over year increase of 32% and adjusted EBITDA of $338,000,000 a year over year increase of 79%. These very positive results were attributed to strong performance in all of our segments. The second quarter also marked the fifth consecutive quarter that we sequentially improved adjusted EBITDA.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

The adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenues grew from the first quarter to twenty four point three percent, reaffirming our strategy of managing what we can control as we continue to deliver results in line with our strategy. We saw particular strength in A and S and Ruckus in the second quarter with these two segments contributing revenues of $513,000,000 58% above prior year. A and S and Ruckus delivered $127,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, an increase of 326% versus the 2024 and one hundred and one percent sequentially. RemainCo adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of sales was 24.7%, 156% above prior year. These businesses continue to benefit from the upgrade cycles and new product introductions.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

As an update from our last earnings call, we have been closely monitoring the implementation of tariffs and the fluidity of the situation. During the second quarter, we have developed and implemented our plan to mitigate the effect of current direct and indirect tariffs. Going forward, if tariffs remain at current levels, we feel that the net impact of tariffs on our financial results will be minimal. Our strategy is to continue to leverage our flexible global manufacturing footprint, our broad supplier base and commercial strategies to effectively mitigate the impact. In addition, essentially all of our products produced in Mexico comply with USMCA guidelines, reducing our overall exposure to tariffs.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

As you're aware, the situation remains very fluid. We will continue to monitor, mitigate and update as required. With that, I'd now like to give you an update on each of our businesses, starting with the two businesses that will make up for A and S and Ruckus. Starting with A and S, net sales of $322,000,000 was up 65% in the second quarter compared to the prior year and adjusted EBITDA was up 132%, primarily driven by a record deployment of our new DOCSIS four point zero amplifier and node products as well as higher license sales. Our DOCSIS four point zero amplifier business has increased dramatically in both FDX and ESD.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Our FDX amplifier deployment with Comcast has gone well, and this is reflected in our results. In addition, our ESD amplifier sales have increased as we have won businesses with several customers, including Charter. As stated below, we believe ANS is well positioned with decades of knowledge of our customers' ecosystems and our breadth of new products for service providers to take advantage of the latest DOCSIS upgrade cycle as well as evolving their legacy DOCSIS 3.1 networks. Our product range includes all areas of the HSC network, including DOCSIS 3.1, 3.1E and DOCSIS four point zero solutions. Over the last quarter, we have had several key wins for our virtual CMTS, which integrates technology from our previous CASA acquisition, and we expect this trend to continue.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

We have also moved forward with our new unified products as it is now in lab testing phase and expected to be available by the end of this year and into next year as we release additional products. These positive results reflect our strategy shift to partnering directly with major MSOs to develop key products for them versus a one size fits all strategy. This provides a closer relationship with our customers while solving for their unique needs together. We are extremely pleased with the direction that A and S is headed and the results are proof that our strategy is paying off. Although we would expect the rest of the year to remain strong in terms of revenue, we do not expect the second half EBITDA to remain at this level due to product mix and project timing.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

As we have discussed in the past, A and S will be more cyclical than our other businesses due to the project nature of the business and license sales. The second quarter was a particularly strong quarter as we were favorably impacted by the FDX ramp and higher than normal license sales. Turning to Ruckus. Revenue was up 47% in the second quarter compared to the prior year. Ruckus adjusted EBITDA was up $51,000,000 versus 2024.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

In the second quarter, we saw continued improved demand for Ruckus driven by our new WiFi seven products and subscription services as well as our vertical market strategy taking shape. We launched our suite of next generation AI driven WiFi seven solutions tailored for the hospitality industry. Our products are powered by AgenTik AI within our AI driven cloud native Ruckus One platform. Earlier in Q1, we unveiled a new wave of AI AI driven enterprise networking solutions featuring GenAI, Edge AI and intent based AI. With our strong year over year improvements, we feel that challenges in 2024 with channel inventory are now well behind us.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

We believe the Ruckus business is well positioned for strong growth in 2025, driven by normalized channel inventory and growing demand. We continue to benefit from new products and our vertical market strategy taking shape. In addition, we are beginning to see the impact of adding incremental selling resources as indicated by our increase in sales funnel opportunities. We have also seen additional traction in the North American service provider market as more customers are interested in our RuckusONE MDU solutions. These solutions take advantage of our RuckusONE platform and help manage service providers accelerate time to market and reduce operational cost.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

This fundamentally changes the deployment economics and delivers faster return on investment. We continue to be encouraged by the Ruckus business as this breakout quarter gives us confidence for our projected growth for near term. Despite the announced transaction, I will give you a brief update on CCS. In the second quarter, CCS revenue grew 20% year over year, while CCS adjusted EBITDA increased 23% as a result of revenue growth, mix and cost leverage. CCS adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue was 24.1%.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Again, I would like to call out our enterprise fiber business that includes our products that we sell in the data center market. For the second quarter, the enterprise fiber business continued to generate substantial growth with year over year revenue up 85%. The CCS segment will continue to be a strong cash flow generator between sign and close of this transaction. Based on current views, we are raising our full year CommScope adjusted EBITDA guidance to 1,150,000,000.00 to $1,200,000,000 Overall, we are excited about the announced CCS transaction. This transaction returned significant capital to our shareholders versus the current equity price and immediately solves our leverage situation.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

The CCS business has found a great home with Amphenol, and we look forward to working with them to close the transaction. RemainCo will consist of the A and S and Ruckus segments and is well positioned to grow and create value. Both of these businesses are recovering from challenging market conditions over the last two years. However, the strong second quarter results show the potential of these businesses. Overall, we expect Remainco, A and S and Ruckus to deliver between $325,000,000 to $350,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA in 2025.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

As we have discussed in previous communications, we will continue to focus on our strategy of focusing on what we can control. As we service our customers, we have the right products, solutions and scale to grow and win new business. We will continue to focus our strategy on what we can control, including supporting our customers and innovating for the ever increasing demands of future advanced networks. And with that, I'd like to turn things over to Kyle to talk more about our second quarter results.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Thank you, Chuck, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start with an overview of our second quarter results on Slide four. For CommScope, we reported adjusted EBITDA of $338,000,000 for the 2025, which increased 79% from prior year. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA results were up 41% sequentially versus the 2025. Our adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenues was 24.3%, the best we have seen since the ARRIS acquisition and increased by six forty basis points year over year and two seventy basis points versus the 2025.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

For the second quarter, CommScope reported net sales of 1,388,000,000 an increase of 32% from the prior year, driven by an increase in all segments. Adjusted EPS was $0.44 per share versus $03 per share in the 2024. Order rates were up 26% sequentially in the 2025, reflecting the stronger demand and positioning us well for the third quarter. CommScope backlog ended the quarter at $1,431,000,000 up $265,000,000 or 23% versus the end of the 2025. With our CCS transaction announcement, I would like to separately discuss the strong performance of our two businesses that will make up remainco, A and S and Ruckus.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Second quarter revenue in these two businesses was $513,000,000 up 58 percent year over year and 32% sequentially. The stronger revenue resulted in adjusted EBITDA in the RemainCo businesses of $127,000,000 up 326% versus prior year and 101% sequentially. Turning now to our second quarter segment highlights on Slide five. Starting with our A and F segment, net sales of $322,000,000 increased 65% from the prior year as customer inventory levels stabilized and shipments of our DOCSIS four point zero products have increased. A S adjusted EBITDA of 80,000,000 was up $45,000,000 or 132% from the prior year, driven by higher revenue, including licenses and project timing.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

A and S had a very challenging 2024 as customers continued to delay their upgrade cycle and the legacy business continued to decline. In the third quarter, we do not expect revenue and EBITDA to remain at these levels. As we have discussed in the past, A and S is a project driven business with timing of projects and licenses driving some volatility in results. We've experienced a strong rebound in revenue and adjusted EBITDA in the first half of the year as our investments made over the last three years on product development have positioned us for the pending upgrade cycle. Despite the optimism for 2025, we are still in early phases of the DOCSIS four point zero upgrade cycle as customers continue to evaluate the path and timing of upgrades.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

The business remains well positioned to take advantage of upgrade cycles as we have decades of experience with customer ecosystems, the largest installed base and the broadest suite of products. Ruckus net sales of $190,000,000 increased by 47% versus the 2024, driven by normalized inventory in the channel and stronger market demand as well as our vertical market strategy. Ruckus adjusted EBITDA of $46,000,000 increased $51,000,000 from the prior year, driven by the increases in revenue and a favorable one time E and O in the quarter of approximately $10,000,000 As noted in previous calls, the overhang from channel inventory lasted through the 2024 and started to improve in the third quarter. We are now seeing the benefits of normalized inventory in the channel as well as growing market demand. On a sequential basis, revenue increased 17% and adjusted EBITDA increased 87%.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

We continue to drive our vertical market strategies and Ruckus new product initiatives, including Ruckus Edge. In addition, as Chuck mentioned before, we are beginning to see the impact of adding incremental selling resources. With the additional selling resources, new products and vertical market focus, we are well positioned to take market share in the medium and long term. As the additional selling resources begin to make an impact over the next few quarters, we would expect to see improving benefits in 2026. Third quarter Ruckus revenue and adjusted EBITDA are expected to decline compared to second quarter results due to seasonality and the elimination of the second quarter inventory adjustment benefit.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Finishing with CCS, net sales of $875,000,000 increased 20% from the prior year. CCS adjusted EBITDA of $211,000,000 increased 23% from the prior year. CCS adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue for the quarter remained strong at 24.1, driven by favorable mix and cost leverage. The CCS revenue increase was across most of the product lines with hyperscale and cloud data centers seeing the strongest growth at 85%. Turning to Slide six for an update on cash flow.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

During the quarter, we generated cash flow from operations of $77,000,000 and free cash flow of $64,000,000 Due to strong results and updated EBITDA guideposts, we now expect cash to be up approximately $125,000,000 from where we started the year. In this guidance, we still project an investment in working capital and capital expenditures of over $200,000,000 driven by growth in the business. Turning to Slide seven for an update on our liquidity and capital structure. During the second quarter, our cash and liquidity remained strong. We ended the quarter with five seventy one million dollars in global cash and total available cash and liquidity of $991,000,000 During the quarter, our cash balance increased by $78,000,000 We purchased no debt or equity on the open market.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

However, going forward, we will continue to use cash opportunistically to buy back debt and equity. The company ended the quarter with a net leverage ratio of 6.6 times. I will conclude my prepared remarks with some commentary around our expectations for the 2025. Clearly, we will be focusing on running the business and delivering results while preparing for the recently announced closing of the CCS transaction in the 2026. As Chuck mentioned earlier, this is a transformational transaction that creates shareholder value while strengthening the balance sheet.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

With the net proceeds of approximately $10,000,000 we expect to repay all of our debt and redeem our preferred equity. With our excess cash and modest leverage on the remaining company, we plan to distribute the excess cash to our shareholders as a dividend within sixty to ninety days of the transaction closing. The exact amount of the dividend will be determined after closing. On the performance side, we have seen five quarters of sequential quarterly adjusted EBITDA improvement. During the 2025, we have continued to see strong performance in all of our business segments.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

The A and S and RUCAS segments have rebounded from the challenges in 2024 and are well positioned. This is evidenced by improvement in the 2025 in these businesses. We expect RemainCo adjusted EBITDA to be between $325,000,000 and $350,000,000 for 2025. Our second half RemainCo adjusted EBITDA will be down from the first half, driven by some of the onetime items we realized in the second quarter and project timing in A and S. Also, we are raising our 2025 CommScope adjusted EBITDA guidepost from $1,000,000,000 to $1,050,000,000 to $1,150,000,000 to 1,200,000,000.0 Based on the market recovery and focusing on what we can control, including managing costs and supporting our customers, our remainco adjusted EBITDA as a percent of revenue was very strong at 24.7% in the second quarter.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

This is a testament to our priority to control what we can and improve long term profitability. And with that, I'd like to give the floor back to Chuck for some closing remarks.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Thank you, Kyle. In closing, we are very excited about the CCS transaction. It is a transformational deal that unlocks equity value, returns cash to our shareholders and strengthens the businesses. Our shareholders, customers, employees and other stakeholders should be very pleased with this outcome. Additionally, we are encouraged by the performance and positioning of A and S and Ruckus.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

On the RemainCo business, the second quarter performance demonstrates the strong positioning of Ruckus and A and S. Finally, I would like to thank our team for strong execution. The hard work and dedication of our team with the strong support of our equity holders, debt holders, customers and suppliers has driven strong results and positioned all of our businesses for future success. And with that, we'll now open the line for questions.

Operator

Our first question comes from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Meta Marshall
Meta Marshall
MD & VP at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks and congrats on the deal. A couple of questions for me. One, just in terms of kind of the RemainCo, whether these assets kind of make sense together? Or is this kind of the final step in the journey?

Meta Marshall
Meta Marshall
MD & VP at Morgan Stanley

Just any commentary there. And then just second question, just to get a sense of kind of what are the corporate overhead costs that we should think of kind of on a go forward basis of kind of the A and S and Ruckus businesses together without DCS? Thanks.

Operator

Speakers, please check your mute button.

Massimo Disabato
Massimo Disabato
VP, IR at CommScope Company

Yes.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Hello?

Massimo Disabato
Massimo Disabato
VP, IR at CommScope Company

We're good. You can keep going.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Can you hear me?

Meta Marshall
Meta Marshall
MD & VP at Morgan Stanley

We can hear you now, but we didn't hear anything previously.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Okay. I'll start over then. I'd say thanks for the question, Meta. Look, we're focused on running the businesses and closing the recently announced transaction. We have and will continue to invest in both of these businesses, including new technology, capital, incremental resources.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

You hear me talk in the prepared remarks about the positive developments for ANS and Ruckus, and that we're driving improved new product development, think about Ruckus One, Wi Fi seven portfolio and Ruckus and unified products as well as virtual CMTS wins at A and S. We've worked hard over the last five years to improve the positions of these businesses. And I think our second really strong results in the second quarter in both A and S and Ruckus show the progress of those businesses and the progress they've made in the last year. I'd finish answering that question by saying, since I arrived for our CommScope NEXT program, we always look at ways to improve shareholder value as we support our customers and employees, and we're going to continue this strategy.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

The second part of your question on the overhead costs corporate overhead costs. As part of the transaction, we're going to convey or transfer a significant amount of our G and A team to Amphenol. And I think when we're sort of done with conveying those people and setting up the RemainCo, we would expect the G and A costs that are currently being allocated to A and S and into Ruckus to be representative of what we believe a go forward G and A organization is going to look like for RemainCo.

Meta Marshall
Meta Marshall
MD & VP at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from George Notter with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

George Notter
Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC

Hi, guys. Thanks very much. I guess I was just curious on I assume there's a CapEx and a working capital obligation you'll have on the CCS business going forward. I'm just curious what that would look like.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Yes. I mean, we're not going to provide any specifics on that. I mean, we're required to continue to support the business. We'll continue to support the business and obviously get the cash flow that comes from that business between sign and close. We provided some guidance around our cash flow for 2025 in the prepared remarks.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

And all of those costs would be considered within that guidepost.

George Notter
Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC

Got it. Okay, super. And then I'm just curious about what the customer concentration looks like in RemainCo. I would imagine that Comcast and Charter are quite significant customers here. Could you give us a sense for what that might look like as a percentage of RemainCo sales?

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Yes. We're not going to provide the details on that. But as you can understand, the A and S business has higher concentration. However, the Ruckus business, as we think about the three businesses that we have, as the least amount of concentration. So on a blend basis, A and S has a lot of more concentration than Ruckus.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

And I think it's something that we've been managing and we'll continue to manage as we move forward.

George Notter
Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC

Got it. Okay. All right. Super. Thanks very much. I appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tim Savageaux with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Tim Savageaux
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Hey, good afternoon and congrats on the deal and the results. I too was going to ask a concentration question, but instead I do want to dig a little bit deeper into ANS, however, maybe along a couple of fronts, which is, can you give us you mentioned the kind of surge in DOCSIS four point zero revenue. As you look at the business now, I guess, how much could we reasonably say is sort of next gen or growth business versus what we might consider legacy CMTS? Give us a and really along with that, how does that translate in your mind into a growth rate? I mean, seems to me across both businesses, you ought to be able to grow double digits here, but I'd be interested in your view on that.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Yes. I mean, don't think we want to get into the specifics about the new gen versus the prior generation in ANF. I think what we would what we could sort of tell you is that, with the things that happened in the first half of the year, on a revenue basis, the majority of our revenue is coming from next gen products and A and S. The legacy technology and business that we have on a revenue basis is clearly less than 50%. And as that technology and we've said this in the past, as the upgrade cycle continues to gain momentum, we'd expect the legacy business to continue to decline and the next gen business to replace that revenue.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

One thing I'd add to that, we support our customers that have, let's say, technologies that they want to extend. So think about like doing more high splits and getting better down speeds and up speeds with new modems. So in some cases, it's existing technology with some different splits and then some modems, but they're going to be able to extend the life of their product portfolio. And I would say that's kind of like somewhere in the middle between new and existing, but that just gives you a little more color on.

Tim Savageaux
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Okay. And if I could follow-up, did you guys want to sign up for double digit growth for RemainCo going forward?

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Well, I think as we talked about in our prepared remarks, I mean, we're watching, particularly in A and S, we're watching the upgrade cycle. And I think we've said now a couple of quarters that although it's gaining momentum, still hasn't picked up across all the customer base. And the one thing in the A and S business that we'll see is it will continue to be sort of cyclical from the standpoint of how those projects come in and how we ship those products. So I think there's different profiles in the two businesses. So I'm not we're not here to guide to '26, but even in 25%, we've sort of guided toward a lower second half than first half really driven from what I talked about just from a project standpoint, timing and some of the license revenue we get.

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

So again, I don't think we're here to guide '26 yet.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

But in 2025, you think about the March to $350,000,000 that's a significant improvement over 2024.

Tim Savageaux
MD & Senior Research Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Thanks very much and congrats again.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Your line is open. Simon, your line is open. Please check your mute button.

Simon Leopold
Simon Leopold
Managing Director at Raymond James Financial

Yes. Thank you. I want to see if you could help us understand the breakout of free cash flow between RemainCo and the CCS segment within your forecast. Is that something you're able to split?

Kyle Lorentzen
EVP & CFO at CommScope Company

Yes, that's not something that we have. As I mentioned earlier, clearly CCS is performing well and it will be a contributor our cash generation that we're going to see in the second half of the year.

Simon Leopold
Simon Leopold
Managing Director at Raymond James Financial

And the other thing I wanted to see if you could comment on is, clearly, you have not had troubles with tariffs and so that has not pressured your results. But I'm wondering if there's any possibility that it affected your customer behavior in whether or not you perceived or potential that there were pull forwards of customers buying ahead of any new tariff rules. Is that something you can discern? Or do you have a comment on that? Thank you.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Yes. Look, I would say that our customers understood and recognize that we have flexible global manufacturing network and a very broad supplier base. And I would say most of our products in Mexico are being exempt under the USMCA exemption. And then we had a large percentage or all, we had a tariff exemption on the ruckus products as well. So I mean, those two cases that there might have been some pull in maybe in the ruckus side because they weren't sure about what this exemption was going to do.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

But, so far, it looks like it's going to stay.

Simon Leopold
Simon Leopold
Managing Director at Raymond James Financial

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Chuck Treadway for closing remarks.

Charles Treadway
Charles Treadway
President & CEO at CommScope Company

Well, thank you for your time today, and I appreciate your interest in our company, and have a great rest of your week. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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