KLA Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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[Operator]

Good afternoon. My name is Chelsea, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the KLA Corporation's December Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions]

[Kevin Kessel, Vice President, Investor Relations at KLA]

Thank you for joining the earnings call to discuss the December 2023 results and the March quarter outlook. I'm joined by our CEO, Rick Wallace, and our CFO, Bren Higgins. We will discuss today's results release after the market close and available on our IR website, along with supplemental materials. Today's discussion is presented on a non-GAAP financial basis, unless otherwise specified. Our full year references all relate to calendar years. A detailed reconciliation of non-GAAP -- of GAAP to non-GAAP results in the earnings material posted on our website. KLA's IR website also contains future investor events as well as presentations, corporate governance information and links to our SEC filings, including our most recent annual report and quarterly reports on 10-Q and 10-K.

Our comments today are subject to risks and uncertainties reflected in the risk factor disclosure in our SEC filings. Any forward-looking statements, including those we make on the call today, are subject to those risks, and KLA cannot guarantee those forward-looking statements will come true. Our actual results may differ significantly from those projected in our forward-looking statements. Rick will begin the call with some comments and quarterly highlights. Bren will conclude with our financial highlights, including our guidance and outlook.

I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Rick Wallace. Rick?

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Thank you, Kevin. I will briefly summarize KLA's performance for 2023 calendar year and the December quarter and then set up our view for 2024. For 2023 KLA revenue was almost $9.7 billion, down 8% versus the prior year. This was higher than our expectations coming into the year as strength from Legacy Node customers and semiconductor infrastructure offset weaker-than-expected leading-edge investments in both logic and memory. While overall WFE spending was down for the year, there were areas of growth in the KLA business segments, including the infrastructure business supporting wafer and mass manufacturers, automotive and specialty semiconductor process equipment.

KLA's service business grew 7% to $2.2 billion for the year. The company continued to deliver strong industry-leading margins, with non-GAAP gross margins of 62% and a non-GAAP operating margin of 39%. Free cash flow grew 6% in 2023 to a record $3.2 billion. Moving to KLA's December quarter results, which were ahead of expectations as revenue 4% sequentially to $2.49 billion. Quarterly non-GAAP net income was $839 million. GAAP diluted earnings per share was $4.28 and non-GAAP diluted EPS was $6.16. We saw sequential growth in all three of KLA's business segments. You can find specific details in our shareholder letter released earlier today.

Additional highlights in the quarter include growing adoption for KLA's 8900 Series platform for high-throughput macro inspection, increased demand in the Legacy Node and Advanced Packaging categories made the platform one of the best performing product lines in our optical inspection portfolio in 2023. Continued growth in AI enables KLA's differentiation and helps drive industry growth. We continue to deploy deep learning and physics based algorithms across KLA's inspection and metrology product portfolio. This has improved signal and noise recognition and reduced process learning cycles as customers resolve critical yield challenges.

KLA Service business grew 1% on a sequential quarterly basis to $565 million and remained on track to resume the targeted 12% to 14% annual revenue growth trajectory in calendar 2024. As we look at CY '24, I'm encouraged by recent reports from many of our customers that the demand environment is expected to continue to gradually improve throughout the calendar year. Through collaboration with customers, KLA is focused on preparing our teams for a return to growth as the leading edge and leveraging the KLA operating model to ensure readiness to support our customers' needs as the demand environment improves.

In the near term, we see the March quarter at the low point for the year, we expect business levels to improve as we progress throughout the year. The KLA team will, as always, prioritize commitments to our customers and executing on our product growth apps.

I'll now hand the call over to Bren to provide more specifics around the financials and our guidance.

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Thanks, Rick. Our results demonstrated the consistent execution of our global team. Despite the challenges and complexity of the current industry environment, KLA continues to show resource and the ability to adapt to meeting customers' changing and fluid requirements. Revenue was $2.49 billion, slightly above the guidance midpoint of $2.45 billion. Non-GAAP diluted EPS was $6.16, above the midpoint of the guided range of $5.26 to $6.46. GAAP diluted EPS was $4.28. GAAP EPS was negatively impacted by $1.59 for goodwill and purchased intangible asset impairment charge.

Non-GAAP gross margin was 62.6%, just above the high end of the guidance range of 60.5% to 62.5%. Non-GAAP operating margin was 40.7%. The Quarterly non-GAAP net income was $839 million, GAAP net income was $583 million. Cash flow from operations was $622 million, and free cash flow was $545 million.

As I just mentioned, during the quarter, KLA recognized a goodwill and purchase of intangible asset impairment charge of $219 million for the PCB and display reporting unit attributed to a weaker long-term outlook, primarily for the flat panel display business. We have begun investigating strategic alternatives for this business, which accounted for 1.4% of total revenue in calendar 2023. The breakdown of revenue by reportable segments and end markets and major products and regions can be found within the shareholder letter and slides.

Turning to the balance sheet; KLA ended the quarter with $3.3 billion in total cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities, debt of $5.95 billion and a flexible and attractive bond maturity profile supported by strong investment-grade ratings from all three agencies. In December 2023, Fitch rating upgraded KLA's debt rating to A from A- with a stable outlook.

Moving to our outlook; looking ahead to calendar 2024, the exact timing of a meaningful and sustainable resumption in WFE investment growth continues to remain uncertain. Though there are signs of improvements in some end markets, this improvement is off low levels, impacting our customers' profitability and cash flow generation in the near term. KLA's overall demand is stabilizing around current business levels, plus or minus the guidance ranges. As of now, this translates into KLA revenue bottoming in the March quarter, driven mostly by a customer project delay occurring in the last couple of months.

Based on current fast schedules in our June quarter shipment plan, we expect sequential growth to return in the June quarter and continue for the remainder of the calendar year. For calendar 2024, we currently expect WFE demand to be in the mid- to high $8 billion, roughly flat to modestly up from the anticipated level in calendar year 2023. We expect that the second half of the calendar year will be stronger than the first half for WFE investment. This WFE estimate reflects our current top-down assessment of industry demand as follows: In memory, we expect WFE investment to be slightly up from low levels with investments focused on high bandwidth memory capacity and leading-edge node development.

Both NAND and DRAM fabs are still a low utilization levels as consumer markets have not yet returned to the growth levels needed to bring factory utilization back to the high levels seen in recent years. Once customers consume this excess capacity and focus on node migration, we would expect to see new investments. Foundry logic is expected to be slightly up with leading-edge investment returning to modest growth levels, Legacy investment declining versus 2023 and China Legacy node investments remaining relatively flattish to current levels.

As for guidance, KLA's March quarter guidance is as follows: Revenue is expected to be $2.3 billion, plus or minus $125 million. Foundry Logic is forecasted to be approximately 60%, and memory is expected to be 40% of semi process control systems revenue. Within memory, DRAM is expected to be about 85% of the segment mix and NAND the remaining 15%.

Non-GAAP gross margin is forecasted to be in a range of 61.5% plus or minus 1 percentage point as product mix weakens quarter-to-quarter due to lower overall semiconductor process control systems revenue. For calendar 2024, based on current industry outlook, top line growth expectations, higher forecasted growth in services and expected systems product mix we are modeling gross margins to be relatively stable around the mid 61% range to what we delivered in 2023. Variability quarter-to-quarter is typically driven by product mix fluctuations.

Operating expenses are forecasted in the March quarter to be approximately $545 million, relatively flat with the December quarter. Our calendar 2024 operating expenses, we expect $5 million to $10 million incremental growth per quarter beyond the March quarter, in line with expected sequential growth in revenue. Prototype material purchases can drive variability quarter-to-quarter.

For the calendar '24 tax rate based on current forecast, we do not expect material changes. You should continue using the 13.5% effective rate for modeling purposes. Other model assumptions for the March quarter include other income and expense net of approximately $45 million. GAAP diluted EPS is expected to be $4.93 plus or minus $0.60. A non-GAAP diluted EPS of $5.26 plus or minus $0.60. EPS guidance is based on a fully diluted share count of approximately 135.6 million shares.

In conclusion, we are optimistic that most end markets are showing signs of improvement. KLA will remain focused on supporting customers, executing on our product road map and positioning the company for a return of growth at the leading edge. The visibility into the precise timing of a sustainable demand recovery is still unclear. KLA is running the business to ensure delivery of a differentiated product portfolio that meets customers' technology road map requirements and to execute our business in line with our longer-term growth expectations.

The KLA operating model guiding best-in-class execution, KLA continues to implement strategic objectives, which are geared to drive outperformance. With a focus on customer success, delivering innovative and differentiated solutions and operational excellence, KLA is able to deliver industry-leading financial and free cash flow performance and return capital consistently. The past few years have strengthened our confidence in the increasing importance of process control and enabling technology advancements and optimizing yield at a high design mix volume production environment. This bodes well for KLA's long-term growth outlook despite still challenging near-term demand trends. In the meantime, KLA business continues to stabilize and the long-term secular trends driving semiconductor industry demand and investments in remain very compelling.

That concludes the prepared remarks. Kevin, let's begin the Q&A.

[Kevin Kessel, Vice President, Investor Relations at KLA]

Thanks, Bren. Chelsea, if you can just give the instructions and set up the queue.

Questions and Answers

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Harlan Sur with J. P. Morgan. Your line is open.

[Harlan Sur, Analyst at J. P. Morgan]

Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. It looks like relative to your prior view, the March quarter came in lower by roughly about $200 million. I know you talked about a customer project delay that materialized just over the last couple of months. It looks like based on your December quarter end market mix and expected March quarter mix that it's a Foundry Logic customer. Was that a leading edge or mature node customer, was the delay more technology-related or just weak demand trends? And does the sequential growth outlook beyond March assume that this customer comes back this year?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Harlan, it's Bren. So yes, as we said in the prepared remarks, over the last couple of months, we had a project that we were planning to ship roughly a couple of hundred million dollars of business, too, that had a pushout that's extended, I think, somewhere around 12 months. So could we see it at the end of '24, maybe could be early '25 as well. So it was more leading edge centric. And as a result of that, as we backfill that business with other business, we did see the percent of China go up a little bit higher than we had thought we would see when we were giving guidance at the beginning of the quarter.

So it was late in the quarter, obviously affected -- it didn't affect Q4 because of the moving around of other customers and slots but certainly had an effect on Q1. As we think about sequential improvement into the June quarter, we also have -- part of our revenue recognition policy is that when we ship to new customers, we have to go to acceptance to demonstrate that we can -- that our tools are meeting specifications around reliability and matching and so forth. And there are some shipments that we shipped at the end of Q4, and we're shipping it in the March quarter that are aligned with a couple of projects for new customers for the fats are opening late in the quarter. So our ability to get those acceptances and complete that process could be potentially constrained.

So we'll see that revenue shift into the June quarter once you get the established performance, then that revenue happens at shipment going forward with that customer. But we do have some unique dynamics that are affecting us here in the first half. So it does give me some comfort about the sequential growth guidance as we move into June. But it is affecting what we ultimately guided for the March quarter, consistent with our revenue recognition policy.

[Harlan Sur, Analyst at J. P. Morgan]

No, I appreciate the insights there. Your total Process Control Systems business outgrow WFE yet again, right, in calendar '23. Within that, Inspection significantly outperformed, right? It was only down 5%, but your patterning business was down almost 20%, which is actually worse versus WFE. And let's say, most of that full year underperformance was due to the sharp drop-off in patterning just in the December quarter. So was that tied to the customer pushout dynamics, as you mentioned? Or is it just the lumpy shipment trends in patterning? And I guess, do you guys expect Process Control Systems business to outgrow WFE this year?

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Yeah. Great question, Harlan. I think if you think about our business and the composition and how it moves with customers, Inspection, especially the leading-edge Inspection is much more tied to development of new technology, whether it's in pilot or even ramp. And some of the metrology business is more tied to capacity. So when you see a falloff of capacity, it impacts metrology more than it would impact Inspection. And that's what we saw in '23.

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Harlan, it's Bren. On the relative performance, we do feel pretty good about the performance overall when you think about how much Legacy business was in the year and how the leading edge fell off, which typically drives higher process control intensity. Also in WFE this year was a little unique in that there was a lot of carryover WFE from 2022 for a number of peers. And so that showed up in '23, it was really activity that we started in 2022. So when you take into account those factors and look at how well we performed in '22 relative to the overall market, we were -- our growth rate was 4 times what the market was. The fact that we're mostly, I think, in line, maybe a little bit better than the overall market in '23 is I think, a pretty good indicator of the growing process control intensity that we're excited about here KLA.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Joe Quatrochi with Wells Fargo.

[Joe Quatrochi, Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company]

Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to go back to the pushout. So just so I understand, if we were to adjust for the couple of hundred million that's now pushed into the June quarter and assumed it was still in the March quarter, I guess, would you still expect that the June quarter would be up quarter-over-quarter? Or would it be more flattish like we were thinking or talking about last quarter of just the first half kind of still being a similar run rate of the business?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Yeah. I think it's more the latter, right? We've -- obviously, you've got a lot of moving parts in how it affects the quarters. But as we had talked about last quarter, we saw the business generally continuing at guided level. We guided with 2.4 5.0, right? We ended about performing by $40 million or so. So it would have been probably flattish, more or less. But this adjustment coming out obviously has the kind of impact, and I sized it earlier. So flattish, and then we would expect to see the second half start to improve.

[Joe Quatrochi, Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company]

That's helpful. And then just as a follow-up, I know you're going to -- you'll file your 10-Q probably tomorrow, but any color on where the RPO stood exiting in the quarter?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Yes. So RPO was down about $200 million. I expected you to ask that question, Joe. So yes, $200 million quarter-to-quarter and with about 50%. So that takes you to about $10.6 billion, 45% to 50% of it to ship beyond 12 months. And then within that, we have about just short of $800 million in customer deposits.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from C. J. Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald.

[C.J. Muse, Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald]

Yeah, good afternoon, and thanks for taking the question. II guess first question, can you speak to domestic China? And I guess, to what degree '23 was helped by bare wafer and reticle inspection and your thoughts on how that progresses in '24. And I guess with the mix shift to perhaps maybe incrementally more DRAM. And I don't know in terms of the really core Legacy, some shifts there. How you're seeing your kind of implied market share '24 versus '23?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

So for China, C. J., I think overall, for China, it looks pretty flattish year-to-year. We did benefit from the infrastructure investment that I talked a lot about over the course of the last year or so. I would expect that part of the business to come down some as some of the digestion is happening more so on the wafer side than the reticle side. And so that obviously will get made up by what I would expect to be slightly higher foundry. I think the memory piece will shift to potentially ship to another customer. So I could see that being flattish overall.

So we feel pretty good about the trajectory of China. There is some lumpiness given our ASPs. But I think through the year, it will be relatively consistent across the quarters, notwithstanding the timing of certain fab projects and construction schedules complete and so on. And then I think we'll start to see the percent come down as we move into the second half as you see other customers drive our expected growth as we move through the second half of the year. What was the second part of the question?

[C.J. Muse, Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald]

You covered it. I guess for my follow-up, as you think about kind of second half stronger than first half, how would you kind of rank order leading-edge foundry logic versus DRAM in terms of the key drivers for you?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

I think leading edge will be -- we'll see some growth in the year. It will be, I think, a fairly modest growth as we continue through the year. I would say -- I'm just kind of looking quickly here, I would say that it is reasonably balanced across the year. So I would think that we'll see -- I would expect to see DRAM probably be -- actually, I think it's going to be pretty balanced as well from a leading-edge DRAM point of view. So I think it's pretty balanced on both fronts. And then just ticking up a little bit as you move into the second half.

[C.J. Muse, Analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question will come from Krish Sankar with TD Cowen.

[Krish Sankar, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Yeah, thanks for taking the question. I have two of them too. One is, I was just kind of curious Rick, if you can kind of give color how to think about China revenues this year ex-EPC?

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Well, Bren just covered that, but in the last question, but essentially flattish. I mean that's the general view for China this year. Flattish a little less infrastructure than we saw, especially and wafer vertical continues to remain basically level at this current run rate.

[Krish Sankar, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Got it. Got it. And then just as a quick follow-up. If I look at kind of like value optical inspection and you said that revenue should start improving over time. Where is the lead times today for them today versus, let's say, three months or six months ago? And where do you expect them to go over the next few months?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Yeah. I'll start on that. On optical inspection, so we're still constrained on Gen 4 in terms of demand relative to our supply. I would expect to see supply increase this year. And that's part of our business, I would expect to do better than overall market as we move into '24 We have, right now, I think we've seen some normalization around Gen 5 lead times, which tend to be somewhere between seven and nine months. But Gen 4 is still out over a year or so, but new capacity coming online. I think not enough for what we expect over the next year to 1.5 years.

But then we have another tranche of capacity that will come online as we move into the '26 time frame. So we feel pretty good about what we have in terms of overall capacity, both within the -- within KLA and our facilities, but also within our supply chain to support the growth that we expect as we move into '25 with more meaningful WFE growth. And then as we target 2026 financial plan that we laid out back at our Investor Day in '22.

[Krish Sankar, Analyst at TD Cowen]

Our next question will come from Brian Chin with Stifel.

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Hi there, good afternoon. I want to ask a few questions. Maybe just make someone might have asked this earlier in the queue. But taking your WFE sort of outlook for flat to modest based on your '23 base level, flat to modest growth this year, relative to sort of the pickup and maybe your revenue and WFE being sort of in the second half but kind of modest, right? You probably would need to see an acceleration in the back quarters of the year in order to kind of get to say even towards the mid -- the low to mid-single-digit kind of growth that you're talking about for WFE at the moment. So I'm kind of curious, do you see Process Control intensity type of profile of spending this year sort of neutral in terms of WFE, you think intensity is higher or lower, relative to, again, that profile of spending this year? And then how does that reflect in your revenue?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Yeah. No, you're right in terms of the math, right? As we look at the first half of this year, which is we'll call maybe slightly down versus the second half of '23 and then an acceleration in the second half would put you somewhere in the, I'll call it, high single-digit growth. That assumes that WFE is marginally up more or less from 2023. And so against that backdrop, with slight improvement in memory, I would expect our process control intensity to be roughly flat. So we were in the 7 depending on your WFE number, but assuming $87 billion to $88 billion and WFE in '23, about 7.6% or so. So I would expect it to be similar as we move into '24.

And as we expect to see more growth in leading edge investment as we move into '25, then we'll start to see favorability in terms of leading-edge dynamics that tend to drive our business and higher process control intensity overall. So I think that's how to think about it right now.

[Brian Chin, Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus]

Okay. And then just given that emphasis this year on memory conversions and upgrade activity, can you comment on the areas where KLA benefits and how meaningful a benefit that this sort of spending represents?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

You mean in terms of just where we benefit in memory investment or we expect to see -- I mean, certainly, you've got the -- in DRAM with more DRAM investment with the introduction of EUV, that tend to be a positive dynamic for our business. We saw process control intensity increases as we saw EUV introduced into DRAM. So that's probably one of the bigger positives for us. So you're right, as you start to do technology conversions, instead of new capacity will be a little bit more muted investment. But we would expect to see our customers continue to invest in the -- in their leading-edge development for the next nodes. And so I think that will be the biggest driver for our business.

[Brian Chin, Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question will come from Chris Caso with Wolfe Research.

[Chris Caso, Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Yes, thank you. Good evening. I guess the first question is kind of looking beyond the 2024. And obviously, you don't expect you to provide any guidance there, but take any opinion that you have. Some of the other equipment suppliers that have had longer lead times were starting to express a little more confidence on a turn on '25. I don't expect that you've seen that in your order book yet, but interested to see what your customers may be talking about.

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

It's a great question. And we have definitely had those conversations. I think that customers are looking at from a couple of perspectives. One, we do have long lead on the most advanced optical tools, but there's also a lot of development that we're doing right now to make those tools even better for the advanced logic ramps that are coming. So we're actually engaged quite a bit in R&D and in pilot with those customers. So we have a pretty good sense. They're all bullish about '25. I can't think of a customer that we have on a leading edge that isn't bullish about '25. But as you say, we're not going to see the orders for those yet. But we're certainly having those conversations. But more importantly, we're seeing the discussions happen around capability that we're demonstrating as they do pilot.

The other thing is we're seeing a trend toward more designs, and we talked about this for the past several years. One of the leading indicators for us is the advanced designs because that's an indicator of how broad a node is going to be. And we're seeing that continue and that will drive both business but also as a good leading indicator for the strength of '25. That's why one of the objectives for the company is to prepare for growth in leading edge because that's what we believe will happen over the next 24 months. As Bren indicated, not the next six months, we should start to see the green shoots of that toward the end of the year, and then we'll see it in '25 as the way we're modeling the business and our investment right now.

[Chris Caso, Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Got it. That's very helpful. As a start-up, with regard to the foundry logic business, would you characterize -- and I guess what you talked about your WFE assumptions is some kind of slight growth this year. Is it safe to say that, that growth is tied to new node deployments and kind of technology upgrades and such as opposed to capacity at this point?

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

It's a little bit of capacity, too. I mean '23 was down, right? And so we're seeing some expansion of capacity. The big node ramps aren't really happening as much this year, which is part of why the WFE gets driven up. And you heard TSM's call, and I think they are fairly bullish on their forecast, but we'd have to see what happens in the early parts of '25 for those ramps on, especially the newest technologies.

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

And we would expect the Legacy business non-China to be lower in '24 than '23. So there's -- so it's being offset. You've got some improvement with the leading edge investment offset by some of the non-China Legacy falling off a bit. So that's how we get to our forecast. And we'll see as we start -- we're having these conversations with customers. We're certainly planning for it from a capacity point of view, and we'll see as we progress through the year as we start to firm up when those shipments will actually start to take place.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.

[Joseph Moore, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thank you. You talked about memory utilization remaining low. And I guess I feel like you guys kind of talked about that relatively early, and then you saw it kind of static. We've heard from memory customers, all kinds of things about different times that they brought it down and see like some of them bought it up. I just want to confirm that you're seeing that as kind of a steady trend? And then can you talk about how that affects your the services revenue you can get from those guys?

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Yes. But having met with a number of memory customers recently, there's a marked difference in their tone right now. And so when we talked to them last year, there's a lot of downcast looks about it because they had been ready for a much bigger much bigger consumption of memory. And now I think they're starting to turn the corner on that. We do see conversion technology, but utilization is -- hasn't really changed much. Service continues to be higher than historically, we -- our utilization rates on our equipment are higher than historically, but because I think customers, even those that have the ability to flex down, the utilization on our systems have chosen not to.

And so that's been a real strength for us. And why services for KLA did so well in '23, and we expect that growth to resume to the numbers we targeted a couple of years ago for '24 and beyond. So I'd say the posture is different, and we're going to -- and we expect to see that continue to strengthen throughout the year.

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

The customers don't have the same level of redundancy with what they buy from KLA versus a lot of process equipment. And when you're focused on trying to be as efficient with your capital as you can, you'll tend to really focus on trying to drive yield. So the way they buy process control, they don't buy a lot of extra. So if they take capacity offline for a process. They tend to run process control much more consistently. The customers that cut more in terms of utilization earlier have come back more. I think overall, to Rick's statement, it's been fairly flat overall. I think DRAM has tightened a bit because of some of the AI drivers for that. But on the flash side, I think it's been fairly stable. And like I said, some improvement from folks who cut more aggressively early on.

[Joseph Moore, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Thank you very much.

[Operator]

Our next question will come from Atif Malik with Citi.

[Atif Malik, Analyst at Citi Research]

Hi, thank you for taking my question. Bren, you talked about strategic alternatives for the display business. Can you help us out how big the display business was last year? And then in general, on the EPC business, there are kind of also it's starting [Indecipherable] to mobility is getting better. Can you just talk about how you're looking at the EPC business, excluding display?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

You're breaking up a little bit there, Atif. So in regards to the comments on display, it's about 1.5% of the revenue of the company. And there are parts of display that are more commodity based and there's aspects of that industry structurally where profitability is more challenged. And then there's some interesting parts of it, too, in terms of some of the future road map opportunities and where some of the higher-end customers, customers are moving. So we will have more to say about that as we assess the alternatives we're considering.

The rest of EPC is kind of the tale of two businesses overall. The specialty semiconductor business has done exceptionally well as we talked about in the shareholder letter. Really outperforming WFE overall. I think it's a combination of customer engagement, more applications, new products. So we're really pleased with where we're performing there and the ability to differentiate. And I would expect that to be roughly flat and with some mix shift. It has some diversity in terms of end markets between automotive and mobile and advanced packaging.

So you could see a shift where automotive weakens, we'll see more investment on the advanced packaging side. So we're pretty positive on that. IQOS, we're already starting to see some improvement there, which tends to be a little bit of a leading indicator in terms of finished components. And so we're more optimistic about how that will translate back into the other parts of our business, given that that's a short lead time, more capacity-centric business. So again, back to our views of some improvement as we move into the second half.

PCB has been more mobile-centric in terms of more consumer markets, more capacity centric. So that business has been weaker, but I would expect it to be a little bit better this year as well. And there are some product offerings that we have coming that start to take advantage of opportunities at high-end PCB and substrates as those integrate into heterogenous packages. So we expect the APC business overall to be up, we'll call it, maybe high single digits, a little less lead time over there. So a little harder to forecast off of the year we had in 2023.

[Atif Malik, Analyst at Citi Research]

Great. And then as my follow-up, Rick, you talked about uncertainty in leading edge with some push out. If your foundry customers decide to focus more in putting these investments of fabs in Japan versus U.S. Is there an impact to your business?

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Well, the work that they're doing in Japan is not at the leading edge, but it is part of their overall investment with the exception of the Japanese company that's investing there. So I would say, yes, of course, that's a different kind of business for us. It's important. But the leading edge business that's being done in the foundries isn't being done there right now with the exception of one. So we're talking about the -- what we're seeing and hearing is the development is going on for the leading-edge work. The question is, at what point will they be in a position to ramp that. So we -- the reason we're confident of the growth that's coming is because of the engagements we've had, the design starts that we see and the plans that we know that they've been discussing. So we feel pretty good about the setup as we go towards the end of the year and into next year.

[Atif Malik, Analyst at Citi Research]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question will come from Charles Shi with Needham.

[Charles Shi, Analyst at Needham & Company LLC]

Thanks. First off, I really just want to for some clarification about the service business expectation for calendar 2024. I think that you talked about higher forecasted growth in service. Is it higher than what you thought at the 12% to 14% this year? Or if you're just talking about higher growth than compared with your systems business? Just a quick clarification.

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Yes, more in line with the long-term target model of 12% to 14% and closer to the high end of the target range. And that's really being driven by, we talked about some of the improving utilization that we expect to see as we move through the year, which if you think about our customers, their businesses get better. They have more demand, they start to consume the capacity they have. They have sustainability in that. And then as their profitability improves, then they start to invest in new equipment. So we would expect to see that play through as we move through the year. But we also will start to benefit from the tools that we shipped in 2021 and 2022 as they move from warranty into contract.

And so that should be a driver for service growth as we move into next year. So will be back in line with the overall target model in terms of how we're planning for the business next year. The great thing about service is this growth that happens pretty continuously. It does have a little bit of a dilutive effect on our overall margins, which is one of the factors in the '24 gross margin color that I provided. So even if we would expect to see revenue increase a bit, I do think that you'll see a little bit of pressure on margins. Now it tends to be based on the way we do the accounting accretive to operating margin. So it's -- at that level, it's pretty positive, but it does have an effect on the puts and takes within gross margin.

[Charles Shi, Analyst at Needham & Company LLC]

Thanks, Bren. Maybe another question, maybe a little bit longer term. I think in the past, you talked about particularly some of your leading-edge customers reusing their capacity in the past and may put a little bit pressure a few cycles ago on your overall growth. Your largest customer, I think, last week, you talked about maybe converting some of the 5-nanometer to 3-nanometer. We don't know whether they're going to continue to do that. But any thoughts there and looking a little bit ahead, do you expect any sort of negative impact going forward? Thanks.

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

You're right. I mean historically, customers have always tried to be used whatever they could. There's a couple of factors that impacted going forward. One is the technology that they're going to need for three and then for two is upgraded from what they have at 5. And the second one is they still have volume at 5. So the question will be -- historically, when this was the most pronounced was when there was a great fall off in an existing node going to a new node. So in our conversations with them and our modeling of it, we see it pretty consistent from what we've seen in the last few years, not as high as the reuse was several years ago.

But that factor drives us to continuously provide more capability in the tool to give them incentive to go to the new technology or to upgrade the existing. So there's nothing specifically new about this upcoming next generation of new technology, but it is definitely something customers are always trying to optimize their footprint.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Timothy Arcuri with UBS.

[Timothy Arcuri, Analyst at UBS Group]

Bren, I wanted to ask about book-to-bill. So it's below one for the fifth quarter in a row. It's up a little bit. It's up to like 0.9. So you're reaching some sort of like steady state. But it's a much different dynamic of what's sitting in RPO than what used to sit in backlog because you used to have four to five months worth of backlog.

And now if you assume half of the stuff is parked outside of 12 months and half is inside of 12 months, I mean it's not, I guess, that different than it was before, but you still have this $5 billion plus it's part beyond 12 months and that was never there before. So as we look pre-COVID post-COVID, what changed? Why is there this $5 billion worth of bookings or RPOs just parked beyond 12 months? Because it isn't like your lead times have gone out that far. And I understand that with those long lead times, but it has always been a long lead times. So what's kind of changed for you?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Yes. I think the easiest way to think about that part of it is it's related to customers giving orders that are tied to facilities that they're planning greenfield projects. And so the schedules are driving the orders. And so it's one of those where it is a lead time centric. It's -- the customer has a project that's going to open in '25, they want their tools when they have that scheduled planned opening. And so they've given us orders. In a lot of cases, you have some China business where you've given us orders and deposits that are tied to those schedules. So that's the biggest factor in the piece that's out. And you're right it is a bit of a new phenomenon. I think that we started to see after the massive ramp that we saw from '19 to '22 or so.

So -- and each quarter, it's been pretty consistent, and we've been teeing up a certain amount of that backlog every quarter, but it's been pretty consistent and it's been roughly 50% or so. So in the quarter we just completed, if you noticed, if you look at the balance sheet, you'll see the deferred systems revenue is actually a little bit higher, and that's related to the dynamic I talked about earlier, where shipments were higher than revenue levels. And that drove down the RPO, but the book-to-bill relative to the revenue was actually positive. So -- but I don't think that changes the nature of your question in terms of the trend line. It was a little bit better, more -- it's kind of consistent with what we thought and a little bit positive in the December quarter.

[Timothy Arcuri, Analyst at UBS Group]

Yes. Yes. I mean it was up, definitely. But I guess just my follow-up on that is what's the advantage? If I'm that customer and if your lead times are well inside of that, what's the advantage if I'm a Chinese customer to booking something that's going to sit in your backlog but partly on 12 months? I mean, unless I'm worried about export control and maybe, I think, because I have something I've given you a down payment that entitles me to get the tool, like is that part of it? I still don't know why I would park something like way, way beyond your lead times?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Well, if you're a new customer and you have new relationships with us, the demonstration of credibility in terms of, hey, we want this, we want to engage. We want you to put resources in place to support the fab and that takes some time to do so. And then in a lot of cases, that also comes with deposits for a portion of the orders. So I think it comes down to -- you don't want -- if you're one of those customers who want to ensure that when your fab opens, that this isn't a bottleneck or an obstacle to your ramp in your plant. So -- and in a lot of cases, if they're newer customers to us, these aren't or I wouldn't say that the customers you know are booking orders that far in advance. But there are certain customers that want to make sure that we're prepared to support their plans. And so they give us orders to ensure that they're credible on those plans.

[Timothy Arcuri, Analyst at UBS Group]

Well, that's a ton of -- ton of customers that we actually never heard of before. Okay, Bren. Thanks.

[Operator]

Our next question will come from Toshiya Hari with Goldman Sachs.

[Toshiya Hari, Analyst at Goldman Sachs & Co.]

Hi, thank you so much for taking the question. I have two as well. The first one is on High-NA. There seems to be a bit of a disconnect among some of your customers in terms of, I guess, their appetite to take tools and to develop using those tools. Curious how you're thinking about potential insertion of High-NA over the medium to long term? And how should we think about the positive impact to your business from an intensity standpoint?

[Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer at KLA]

Our views haven't really changed in terms of the timing for High-NA. We're encouraged to see the shipments of the tools that were well publicized. And I think that's great. It is going to take a while of course, as with any new technology to get those up and into production. So really haven't changed in terms of our view of when that turns into pilot and then when it turns to the high volume. But one thing that's clear is the increased adoption of EUV is good for KLA and the broadening of it, as we see it being more applicable to memory also creates more opportunities, not only just in the reticle space, but because we're now dealing with the deep activity challenges are greater as they start printing smaller features.

It drives both the number and intensity of the tools that we need but also how they're run. So you need to run, for example, a BBP tool at a higher sensitivity, which, as you know, requires -- we keep adding capability, but it does require more capacity to cover the same amount of silicon to support that. So it's a very good transfer for process control and one that we're encouraged by. But from our standpoint, no change, which I guess is really good news because if we look back at EUV, it did delay several times. High-NA seems to be on track with the schedule that has been out there for some time now.

[Toshiya Hari, Analyst at Goldman Sachs & Co.]

That's very helpful. And then as my follow-up, maybe one for Bren. Just on the display business, so 1.5% of revenue last year. I'm curious if you could speak to the profitability of that business. I mean, to the extent you do end up, say, selling the business, how should we think about accretion to gross margins and bottom line earnings?

[Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at KLA]

Yeah, profitability is less than 1.5 -- 1.5% of KLA. So it's 1.5% of revenue, the profitability is less than 1.5% of KLA's profitability.

[Toshiya Hari, Analyst at Goldman Sachs & Co.]

Okay, I figured that much, but. Thank you.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] And we have no further questions in the queue. So I'll turn the floor back over to Kevin Kessel for any additional or closing remarks.

[Kevin Kessel, Vice President, Investor Relations at KLA]

Thank you, Chelsea, and thank you again, everyone, for your time. We know it's a busy day of earnings at week. We appreciate it. We'll be in touch with sure all of you over the coming days, 10 weeks. And with that, back to you, Chelsea, to provide any final instructions.

[Operator]

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Participants

Corporate Executives

• Kevin Kessel, Vice President, Investor Relations
• Rick Wallace, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Bren Higgins, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Analysts

• Harlan Sur, J. P. Morgan
• Joe Quatrochi, Wells Fargo & Company
• C.J. Muse, Cantor Fitzgerald
• Krish Sankar, TD Cowen
• Brian Chin, Stifel Nicolaus
• Chris Caso, Wolfe Research
• Joseph Moore, Morgan Stanley
• Atif Malik, Citi Research
• Charles Shi, Needham & Company LLC
• Timothy Arcuri, UBS Group AG
• Toshiya Hari, Goldman Sachs & Co.