Intuit Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 22, 2024
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Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Angela and I will be your conference operator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Intuit's second quarter fiscal year 2024 conference call. [Operator Instructions] With that, I'll now turn the call over to Kim Watkins, Intuit's vice president of investor relations. Ms. Watkins.

Kim Watkins
Vice President of Investor Relations at Intuit

Thanks, Angela. Good afternoon and welcome to Intuit's second quarter fiscal 2024 conference call. I'm here with Intuit's CEO, Sasan Goodarzi; and our CFO, Sandeep Aujla. Before we start, I'd like to remind everyone that our remarks will include forward-looking statements. There are a number of factors that could cause Intuit's results to differ materially from our expectations. You can learn more about these risks in the press release we issued earlier this afternoon, our form 10-K for fiscal 2023, and our other SEC filings.

All of those documents are available on the Investor Relations page of Intuit's website@intuit.com. We assume no obligation to update any forward looking statement. Some of the numbers in these remarks are presented on a non-GAAP basis. We've reconciled the comparable GAAP and non-GAAP numbers in today's press release. Unless otherwise noted, all growth rates refer to the current period versus the comparable prior year period, and the business metrics and associated growth rates refer to worldwide business metrics. A copy of our prepared remarks and supplemental financial information will be available on our website after this call ends, and with that, I'll turn the call over to Sasan. Thanks, Kim, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. We had another strong quarter and have great momentum innovating on our platform. We're executing on our strategy to be the global AI driven expert platform powering prosperity for consumers and small businesses. Second quarter revenue grew by 11% and we're on track to achieve our fiscal year 2024 full year guidance of 11% to 12% revenue growth while expanding operating margins. Let's start with tax. We're confident in our innovation and game plan to win and are reiterating our full fiscal year guidance of 7% to 8% revenue growth for the consumer group. Tax preparation represents a $35 billion TAM. This includes $31 billion within the assisted consumer and business tax categories, which we have barely started to penetrate. We're well positioned to disrupt the assisted category by leveraging data, AI and our virtual expert platform to revolutionize how taxes get done for consumers and small businesses. By leveraging the power of our platform and ecosystem we're also extending TurboTax to our Credit Karma members and QuickBooks online small business customers by enabling them to complete their taxes and access expertise directly within these products. Let me share more about the areas of focus this season. First, we can serve consumers however they want to file virtually or in person, while providing confidence their taxes are being done accurately and they are getting their maximum refund. More than 80% of US filers live within ten mile radius of a TurboTax expert. These experts use Intuit's virtual expert platform that's powered by data and AI to deliver best in class service. While it's early in the season, TurboTax live full service is resonating with customers. We're seeing strong growth and the offering has a product recommendation score of 88 season to date, one of the highest at Intuit. Second, small businesses can file their taxes with TurboTax, and if a small business is a QuickBooks online customer, they can file their taxes with an expert. With these offerings, they can maximize their refund and get advice from experts when they need it. Our campaigns and easy to use experience are driving strong early interest. Business tax returns have a much higher average revenue per return because they are more complex and we expect them to contribute to average revenue per return expansion over time. Third, we're more deeply integrating Credit Karma and TurboTax, making it even more seamless for Credit Karma members to file with TurboTax directly in the Credit Karma app, with exclusive offers for members whether they want to file themselves or with an expert. We're also unlocking the benefits of the Credit Karma platform for tax filers to make smart money decisions. This includes earlier access to the refund or for those that qualify, access to an interest free refund advance loan in as little as 30 seconds after IRS acceptance when depositing the refund into a Credit Karma money account. This is designed to lead to higher engagement and monetization in Credit Karma over time. Fourth, Intuit Assist, our GenAI powered financial assistant is live in TurboTax this season. With Intuit Assist, we are creating a [indecipherable] for you where the hard work is done automatically on behalf of our customers with a gateway to human expertise, fueling their financial success. For example, customers are using Intuit Assist to better understand their refund. In early results Intuit Assist's helpfulness rating is 1.5x greater than our legacy explanations indicating Intuit Assist is helping deliver confidence to TurboTax customers. Our focus this tax season further showcases how our big bets have accelerated innovation and growth for the future. We're leveraging the power of data and AI with Intuit Assist to revolutionize speed to benefit for customers, disrupting the assisted consumer and business tax categories by connecting people with experts virtually and bringing the TurboTax and Credit Karma experience together to unlock smart money decisions. We're off to a great start in tax. Let me now highlight progress across two of our big bets. As a reminder, our five big bets are revolutionize speed to benefit, connect people to experts, unlock smart money decisions, be the center of small business growth, and disrupt the small business midmarket. Our first big bet is to revolutionize speed to benefit our platform, enables us to innovate for our customers with speed and at scale, which is foundational to all of our big bets. Five years ago, we declared our strategy to be an AI driven expert platform with data and AI fueling innovation across the platform. At the core of our platform is powerful, relevant data for our 100 million customers. We have 500,000 customer and financial attributes per small business and 60,000 financial and tax attributes per consumer, which fuels what's possible with AI and with our Gen AI operating system, Genos, we empower intuit technologists to create breakthrough Gen AI experiences across our platform. This includes utilizing our own powerful financial LLMs as well as those from other leaders in Gen AI, which together unlock new opportunities to serve our customers with accuracy and speed in a cost efficient way. As I mentioned earlier, with Intuit Assist we're creating a future of done for you where the hard work is done automatically on behalf of our customers, with a gateway to human expertise fueling their success. Intuit Assist is critical to delivering unparalleled benefits for our customers over the next decade and is in the hands of select customers now. We believe Intuit Assist will lead to higher frequency of engagement and monetization across the platform, driving customer growth, accelerated adoption of services and live offerings. I'm really excited about the rapid pace at which we're innovating, testing, learning and adapting to deliver our core benefits of more money, no work, and complete confidence for customers. Let me share a few updates. First, Turbotax. As I shared earlier, Intuit Assist is live in the product this season and is delivering increased confidence to our customers. Second, Mailchimp to help small businesses grow revenue and save them time, we're providing AI-powered automations and content generation using Intuit assist. Third, QuickBooks. Intuit Assist is in beta and is designed to help small businesses optimize cash flow and make confident decisions to grow their business. New customers who were previously running their business manually will be able to get started quickly by sharing their email, website, and bank account information. Their unstructured data will be translated into benefits for them, such as generating customized pay enabled invoices that save time and enable customers to get paid faster, experiencing the benefits of switching to a digital platform. And for existing customers, we will translate their data and analyze their money in and money out transactions into insights and recommendations. Intuit Assist will do the work for our customers in the background with suggested automated actions that increases customer productivity by saving time and leading to better outcomes such as getting paid faster and updating capital. Furthermore, we intend to provide an option to connect and interact with an expert to help provide insights and make decisions specific to their financial situation and fuel their success at the moments that matter most, such as closing their books. Fourth, Credit Karma. Intuit Assist for Credit Karma is in beta and we're excited about the rapid innovation and the progress we're making to help connect members to financial products that are right for them, saving them time and money. We're focused on using GenAI to interact with members to help answer their questions in a highly personalized way when shopping for financial products. Customers can interact, learn more, and ask questions to help make confident decisions. Intuit Assist will engage more members with a wide range of financial needs beyond credit. We recently expanded by 6x the number of topics we can provide help on and now address items like major purchases, home buying savings, and more. We believe this can drive increased member engagement and conversion, and drive higher revenue per monthly active user. We remain excited with our early progress with Intuit Assist across the company. It's changing our relationship with customers as we move from being a transactional workflow platform to a trusted assistant that customers can rely on daily to power their prosperity. Our fourth big bet is to become the center of small business growth by helping our customers get new customers, get paid fast, manage capital, and pay employees with confidence in an omnichannel world. We are well on our way to becoming the source of truth for our customers to help them grow and run their business. In Mailchimp, we're focused on better serving mid market customers across different stages of their lifecycle to drive higher engagement and retention. After we've successfully onboarded them, we're pairing larger customers with an account manager to help them understand and adopt the breadth of Mailchimp's capabilities. We're seeing green shoots from account management, which gives us confidence in the future. Customers who have engaged with an account manager have higher monthly revenue retention. We believe this will also drive higher ARPC over time. Intuit Assist is live in Mailchimp's higher end offerings and is designed to help customers develop personalized marketing campaigns and drive their revenue growth. We're offering customers three AI-powered automations today, including new customer welcome, abandoned shopping cart, and recovering lost customers. Automations are time consuming to set up but can drive higher revenue. Intuit Assist personalized automations are 50% more likely to be activated by customers. Intuit Assist is also reducing work by generating new content and editing existing content for marketing campaigns. Recent improvements have driven GenAI text generation adoption rates by more than 70% over the past several months, reducing work for our customers. Getting paid fast remains a big challenge for small businesses. We're uniquely positioned to help customers with our end to end money platform and innovations such as easy discovery, auto-enabled payments, payment-enabled invoices, instant deposit, and get paid upfront, which are all helping our customers get paid faster and drive adoption of payments. Total online payment volume growth was 20% in the quarter. We're beginning to roll out a new payment enabled invoicing experience that will provide more benefits to customers, including more ways to get paid. While early, we're seeing that customers who use the new invoicing experience are engaging more driving increase in customer adoption of our payment rails to get their invoices paid. We're also making progress digitizing B2B payments to accelerate and automate transactions between small businesses and ultimately improve their cash flow. The number of connections in our Quickbooks business network has doubled since August, and we're pleased with the initial adoption of our bill pay offering. To better serve small businesses during the quarter, we began rolling out faster payment timelines for qualified customers that reduce payment time by 40%, including a paid next day ACH option and batch payments, allowing customers to hold on to their cash longer and save time. Wrapping up with our durable AI driven expert platform strategy and focus on innovating with GenAI across our platform, we're more excited than ever about the opportunity in front of us and our ability to power prosperity for our customers. We're honored to be recognized by Bloomberg as one of the top 50 companies to watch in 2024 and to be ranked 22 on this year's Just 100 and the highest ranked customer or software company on the list. Now let me hand it over to Sandeep.

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

Thanks Sasan. For the second quarter of fiscal 2024, we delivered another strong quarter despite the IRS opening approximately one week later this year. We achieved healthy operating margins and are on track to achieve our full year guidance as we continue to deliver operating leverage across the business. Our Q2 results include revenue of $3.4 billion, up 11%, GAAP operating income of $369 million versus $270 million last year, up 37%, non GAAP operating income of $1 billion versus $856 million last year, up 17%. GAAP diluted earnings per share of $1.25 versus $0.60 a year ago and non GAAP diluted earnings per share of $2.63 versus $2.20 last year, up 20%.

Turning to our business segments. small business and self employed group revenue grew 18% during the quarter, driven by online ecosystem revenue which grew 21%. Our results continued to demonstrate the power of our small business platform and the mission critical nature of our offerings, which resonate with customers as they look to grow their business and improve cash flow in any economic environment. With the goal of being the source of truth for small businesses. Our strategic focus within the small business and self employed group is threefold. Grow the core, connect the ecosystem and expand globally.

First, we continue to focus on growing the core. QuickBooks online accounting revenue grew 19% in Q2, driven mainly by customer growth, higher effective prices and mix shift. We continue to prioritize disrupting the small business midmarket through continued focus on both go to market and product innovations. While midmarket customers are a smaller subset of the total small business pam, they drive a higher ARPC over time given their more complex needs and higher usage of services across our platform. This, coupled with our strategy to sell more of our ecosystem services to existing customers, shifts the emphasis in our growth formula towards ARPC over time.

Second, we continue to focus on connecting the ecosystem. Online services revenue grew 24% in Q2, driven by payroll payments, Mailchimp capital and time tracking. Within payroll revenue growth in the quarter reflects an increase in customers adopting our payroll solutions, higher effective prices and a mix shift towards higher end offerings. Within payments the revenue growth in the quarter reflects ongoing customer growth as more customers adopt our payment offerings to manage their cash flow, higher effective prices, and an increase in total payment volume per customer. Mailchimp revenue growth was driven by higher effective prices and paid customer growth.

Third, we continue to make progress expanding globally by executing a refreshed international strategy which includes leading with both QuickBooks online and Mailchimp in our established markets and leading with Mailchimp in all other markets as we continue to execute on localized product and [indecipherable] on a constant currency basis total international online ecosystem revenue grew 16% in Q2. Now moving to our desktop ecosystem. Desktop ecosystem revenue grew 10% in the second quarter and QuickBooks desktop enterprise revenue grew in the mid teens. We are more than two years into a three year transition for customers that remain on a license based desktop offering to a recurring subscription model. In fiscal 2025 the tailwinds from the three year transition will be behind us, but we expect our desktop enterprise offering, which accounts for over half of desktop accounting revenue, to grow in the highest single digit range. We also will continue to encourage remaining desktop plus subscription customers who tend to be more complex and higher value to migrate seamlessly to either Quickbooks online or our desktop enterprise offering when they are waiting.

Additionally, we see opportunities to continue to price the product for value. The online ecosystem remains our growth catalyst longer term, shifting to our consumer and ProTax groups. Our full year outlook remains unchanged even though consumer group revenue declined 5% in the quarter, reflecting an approximately one week later IRS opened this year. We are confident in our game plan to win this season and are reiterating our guidance for consumer group of 7% to 8% revenue growth in fiscal 2024. Turning to the ProTax group, revenue grew 8% to $274 million in Q2, reflecting the timing of when tax forms were delivered, which is a driver for revenue recognition.

Moving to credit karma Credit Karma delivered revenue of $375 million in Q2 flat to a year ago, primarily reflecting growth in Credit Karma, money, credit cards and auto loans offset by decline in home loans, personal loans and auto insurance. We saw select partners taking a conservative approach to extending credit in both personal loans and credit cards in Q2, reflecting expected macro trends. And as a reminder, Q2 is typically the seasonally weakest quarter of the year. We expect Q3 to benefit from additional Credit Karma money revenue during tax season. In summary, I am pleased with our continued momentum this fiscal year.

Now shifting to a balance sheet and capital allocation. Our Financial Principles guide our decisions. They remain our long term commitment and are unchanged. We finished the quarter with $1.5 billion in cash and investments and $6 billion in debt. On our balance sheet, we repurchased $536 million of stock during the second quarter. Depending on our market conditions and other factors, our aim is to be in the market each quarter. The board approved a quarterly dividend of $0.90 per share payable on April 18, 2024. This represents a 15% increase versus last year. Moving on to guidance, we are reaffirming our fiscal 2024 guidance.

This includes total company revenue growth of 11% to 12%, GAAP operating income growth of 15% to 18%, non GAAP income growth of 12% to 14%, GAAP earnings per share growth of 11% to 15% and non GAAP earnings per share growth of 12% to 14%. Our guidance for the third quarter of fiscal 2024 includes revenue growth of 10% to 11%, GAAP earnings per share of $7.77 to $7.84 and non GAAP earnings per share of $9.31 to $9.38.

As a reminder, we are taking a prudent approach with guidance. Given the continued macroeconomic uncertainty. You can find our full year, fiscal 2024 and Q3 guidance detailed in a press release and on our fact sheet. With that, I'll turn it back over to Sasan.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Great. Thank you, Sandeep. And just to quickly wrap up, we're very confident in our AI driven expert platform strategy, our progress with our five big bets, and creating a future of done for you with a gateway to human expertise. We believe that this will change our relationship with our customers, becoming their trusted advisors, leading to higher engagement and monetization. The combination of our assets and our strategy creates a growth flywheel for Intuit to accelerate, penetrating our $300 billion in TAM. With that, let's open it up to your questions.

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Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Siti Panigrahi with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Siti Panigrahi
Analyst at Mizuho

Thank you. Thanks for taking my question, Sasan and Sandeep. I want to dig into the health of the small business. Just two part question. On the online accounting system, revenue seems to be in line [indecipherable] is there any one time factor that influence and how should you think about second half given that's an easy comp? Other part is on the services while we're pleasantly surprised, it's accelerated. And you talked about some of this payroll payments and Mailchimp. Is there anything like you are doing differently? Specifically drilling into the Mailchimp? How is that part of the business doing?

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yes, Siti. Thank you for your question. Maybe I'll start us off and Sandeep, please jump in as you wish. I mean the headline that I would give, Siti, is that we're really pleased with the momentum that we have, the growth that we've experienced. When you think about -- think about it in context of the current macro environment, we're continuing to see larger, higher-value customers, mid-market customers. I want to shift to digitization. And the more we spend time with them with our account managers, with our sales folks, with our customer success folks. They tend to have a tendency of wanting to move more of their services to us because for the most part, we are already the standard of financial management solutions that they use for their financial records but they see it as an opportunity to get paid faster, manage their workforce to be able to use our capabilities to be able to market to their customers.

And so the net of it that I would leave you with is I like our momentum in this macro environment. We expect that to continue for the rest of the year. And there's a lot of puts and takes in our online accounting and online services. And so I wouldn't read anything into it. The most important element to take away is the 21% overall online growth. And our services are strong, and we continue to innovate with our services and I expect that we'll continue to lead digitization and transformation for our small businesses. Sandeep, I don't know if you want to add anything, but those would be the headlines from me, Siti.

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

Sasan covered it. Siti, what I would also remind you of is, as we've shared in the past, there are three imperatives that we focused on as a management team, new customer acquisition, driving adoption of our platform and being better together across our platform. And with that, a new customer acquisition, our team continues to focus on mid-market customers. As you [indecipherable] mid-market customers, they're larger, richer revenue pool. They have higher customer acquisition costs, but they also take a little longer to ramp up because most of the size of the pipe in those mid-market customers on services revenue, which ramps up as opposed to accounting, which you start booking as soon as they become a customer. So just a dynamic to keep in mind. That's why in my prepared remarks, I called out that our growth[phonetic] will continue to start leaning more towards ARPC going forward. And the second component of the services is basically us executing on our focus of driving adoption of our platform.

Siti Panigrahi
Analyst at Mizuho

Thanks. Great execution guys.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Kash Rangan with Goldman Sachs.

Kash Rangan
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Hi, congratulations to Sasan and Sandeep, really good call here. I'm wondering if you can give us an update on what's happening in the SMB market? It looks like enterprise spending seems to be stabilizing. I know that you're not really enterprise [indecipherable] but how do you characterize the outlook for small businesses given that the economy is on stable footing, and we don't have the worries that we had growing [indecipherable]? Thank you so much.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Kash, great to hear from you. Great question. I would -- let me categorize the answer in two buckets. First of all, facts are friendly, and let me start with the facts. What we see across our base is that cash reserves are down 11% year-over-year. That's really what small businesses care about. But it's actually up 115% over pre-pandemic levels and so the takeaway you should have in that is small businesses are being challenged in this macro environment. Consumers are spending less dollars, but they're actually healthier at aggregate level than they were several years ago. In fact, what I would call out is the number of hours worked is higher this year several points compared to last year. So that just the strength of the work that they're doing, being able to have access to talent is in a better position for small businesses compared to last year.

And that, by the way, as you can imagine, differs by country and by sector. Sectors like real estate, IT spending is struggling, if the sector of small business is in, but things like professional services, auto repairs is actually quite healthy. Last thing I would end with is the higher-value customers, more the mid-market customers are healthier than those that are small and just starting out, which, by the way, we've seen this in our 20-plus years, right? We've seen this. This is a normal trend whereby the larger businesses have a lot more levers to be able to pull and they're generally healthier.

Lastly, our view, and we're not economists, but we see a lot of data. Our view is that 2024 is going to be a lot of the same for small businesses. We don't believe that there's going to be any kind of an economic tailwind as we think about the next -- the rest of the calendar year

Kash Rangan
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Thank you so much.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Very welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Brad Zelnick with Deutsche Bank.

Brad Zelnick
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Great. Thank you so much and nice shot in Q2. Maybe a tax question, just with the slower start to the season, Sasan, and we appreciate every season is more and more back-end loaded. But can you talk about what it is that you're seeing in the funnel and anything else that supports your confidence in the full year consumer guide? Thanks.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yes. Sure, Brad. First of all, I'll amplify what you started out with. Having been in the tax business and ran it more than 10 years ago and watching our trends in the last 10 years, every season, there's a push to a later start, and it's just a consumer behavior, and we're seeing that this year. So that's not anything unique. There's two things that I would call out that are strategic to us that are worth calling out because we see green shoots in both with the early part of season. One is full service. Just as a refresher, there's nearly 100 million consumers in small businesses that spend about $30 billion to have somebody else do their taxes for them and we really leaned into our overall full service experience.

We've really leaned in to our campaigns, both on air, digital, very basic things, by the way, that we didn't use to have the capabilities that we're now building, which is if you use an expert and you love that expert that you can recommend that expert to our friend. That's basic, but the infrastructure that we're building to really disrupt the full-service space is a necessity. And we feel very good about the green shoots that we're seeing both on the consumer front and on the business tax front. And I'll remind you that this is our first year leading all the way into business tax. So it's beyond early, but everything that we've seen just indicates that this is an enormous opportunity for us. So that's on the full service front.

The second I would mention is Credit Karma. This is really an area where we have nearly 45 million monthly active users. They engage more than 5x a month, and the majority of those monthly active users actually use a different method and not TurboTax. And so we've really heavily invested in the experience, whether you want to do it yourself in the app or you want us to do it for you, which is full service and compelling offerings that we've been testing and scaling. And we also like the green shoots there. So those are the two things that I would call out, and it really positions us for share of spend. And I'll end with the following, which is we set the goal line in taxes, our share of total IRS returns and really, what matters is the share of spend that we're getting and full service is essential for that, both this year and in the future.

Brad Zelnick
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Thanks Sasan. Great color and keep up the good work. Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Thank you Brad.

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Turrin with Wells Fargo.

Michael Turrin
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Hey, great. Good afternoon. Appreciate you taking the questions. I was hoping we could go back to the mix of online services, and maybe you could just help us compare and contrast in more detail what you're seeing from a growth perspective across the payroll payments and Mailchimp business. And is there a float aspect at all to the payroll portion of the business that might be helping reinforce some of the margin strength you're seeing given headwinds from the floors start to tax? I think a lot of focus on just the EPS strength in the quarter. Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Sure. Do you mind repeating the last part of your question?

Michael Turrin
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Yes. Just wondering if there's at all on the payroll side, a flow component that might be also just softly helping margin outside of the consumer headwinds you're seeing?

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yes. Let me start with the overall services question that you asked, and Sandeep will weigh in here with some of the facts that you asked around flow. I think the -- the thing that I would just say around services goes back to my earlier comment, which is we're just spending a lot more time with higher value customers, really helping them understand what we can do to digitize their businesses and by the way, continuing to improve our offerings. And so as we talked about earlier, our total online payments growth this quarter was 20% in a fairly tough macro environment. That's because we continue to invest in making the experience easier providing multiple methods to get paid instant deposit, getting paid upfront.

So those really help with, in essence, payments adoption. Our payroll adoption has been strong, particularly larger customers and with full service. We're continuing to really invest in some of the most important foundational elements with Mailchimp that higher-value customers are adopting and particularly some of the things that I called out with Intuit Assist. It's really -- it's not one thing. It's a combination of all of our services and the focus on higher-value customers that is really helping us with some of the services adoption. Maybe Sandeep, I'll turn it over to you on the float and anything else you want to add?

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

Sure. Thanks, Sasan. Michael, the floor component is a very small part of our payroll business. As one thing said we really aim to due[phonetic] for our small businesses is to hold their cash as little as possible. So floor is not a big component for us. And I think -- the overarching theme of your question was the ability for Intuit to preserve the earnings power of the company despite the one week delay in the IRS opening, I think Sasan touched on that, and it's also some of the great work that the team has been doing around acquiring larger customers around the line of work we did to make the higher end SKUs in payroll more attractive to those customers. The work the team is doing around mid-market account management in Mailchimp. So its a cholesterol of activities that continues to give us confidence across our portfolio of assets that we have here into it.

Michael Turrin
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Appreciate the detailed color. Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Thank you Michael.

Operator

Next question comes from Taylor McGinnis with UBS.

Taylor McGinnis
Analyst at UBS Group

Hi, thanks so much for taking my questions. Maybe another one on online services. So if I heard you correctly earlier, it sounds like you guys are expecting a more stable macro environment as we move throughout the year. So can you just talk about what that means for the durability of the acceleration in online services that we just saw, the 24% year-over-year? Could you actually see online services hanging here at these levels? Is there anything onetime in nature? And just curious, as the macro remains more challenging, how the pricing lever could be used there to help you guys during this time? Thanks so much.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yes. Sure, Taylor, let me add a few things, if I could. First of all, I'll start with we don't view the macro environment as entirely remaining stable. We think it's going to continue to be uncertain. So we're not sort of banking on any of our growth coming from any type of a tailwind from the macro environment. We think '24 will be somewhat choppy like '23 was from a macro environment perspective. And we see it in the consumer credit scores of consumers. As you know, we see over 100 million members across Credit Karma and their credit scores in the last couple of years are down almost 20 points. Gen Z credit card balances are up over 60%. And those are just a couple of illustrative examples that consumers are strained. So the first uber point would be that we think the environment is stable to uncertain, and we're not trying to outguess the economy but really focus on our customers and our innovation, which gets to the -- to the second point and that is we have confidence in the guidance that we provided of the 16% to 17% for the year, even in context of the macro environment, just because we continue to really emphasize and focus with our high-value mid-market customers digitization. And that's really what's leading to our overall 21% online growth that we talked about. And that's what gives us confidence in our guidance. And really, as we look into the future, our entire focus is really all about our innovation and our go-to-market to win despite the tough economic environment.

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

Taylor, the one thing I would add, and just to build on Sasan's point, you asked a question around pricing, pricing power. Our [indecipherable] around pricing is around the offerings -- the power of offerings and the innovation we're building into the offerings. And perceived with actual value that we're delivering to our customers is not related to the macro environment. So that's another point I just wanted to emphasize in terms of how we think about our pricing.

Taylor McGinnis
Analyst at UBS Group

Thanks, really appreciate the thoughts.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

You are very welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Alex Zukin with Wolfe Research.

Alex Zukin
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on the quarter. Sasan, maybe a GenAI question for you. Clearly, it's something that continues to really evolve and become a core part and parcel of the company, both on the SMB side and the consumer side. I wanted to ask, if you look at the coming tax season on the consumer side, how do you expect to see the benefit of some of the assist functionality? Is it more converting kind of free to pay? Is it pay to pay more? And then similarly, on both Credit Karma and on the SMB side, if you think about the progression of the year, kind of where are you seeing the biggest opportunities as you start to see the interactions build on the platform?

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yes, Alex, thank you. Great question. Let me start with one headline, particularly as we've been in beta or with certain capabilities at scale and GA. I'll start with the headline, which is we believe that over time, and I want to emphasize the overtime piece, that this is going to create an entirely new category of experiences and growth that is not even possible today because of truly creating a set of experiences where the work is done for customers, and there's always a gateway to a human expert that's all AI-powered. And the more we're in market, the more we're learning, adjusting, adapting the more we are convinced that we're going to be able to create a new category of services and what's possible to penetrate our $300 million in TAM.

Now with that said, let me get real specific and sort of real tactical. The second headline news that I would give is none of the work that we're doing with Intuit Assist, which is really about what we're doing across the platform. It's not a feature. None of it is in our results today, and we're not counting on it to be in our results in the near future. But with that said, to answer your question as the intact to start with, there's a couple of areas where it will have a profound impact.

One is full service. And the profound impact, by the way, is from the investments that we've made in the last five years. I mean to do what we're doing in full service at scale and think about it, it's really based on data, AI, ecosystem of apps because now we can do your taxes through Credit Karma through the QuickBooks platform, and one of the largest networks of experts that we have. And all of that fits on machine learning, knowledge engineering, and now GenAI capability. So the biggest in our view, based on what we're seeing in market, right, the biggest opportunity is about the ease and the speed of getting people's taxes on.

So imagine a world where you're a full-service customer that we can get your taxes done in less than an hour, maximum refund and extend your dollars because of what we can do with you on the Credit Karma platform. An excellent service. The best service you can imagine in the world, which, by the way, is supported by our product recommendation score of 88. So really, it's full service that will have the biggest impact. Now the whole underlying platform is what full service uses. And so the other is, over time, yes, it will help with conversion, and really, it's about confidence. And we're seeing that right now where Intuit Assist is engaged to understand my tax outcome and refund outcome, the helpful rating is 1.5x better than we've ever seen. And by the way, we are very early. We haven't perfected it by any means. So that's on the tax front.

Just very quickly, let me touch on Credit Karma. As you know, one of the powers of Credit Karma on behalf of our customers is we know everything about the customer. We know all the data and leverage AI to deliver personalized credit cards that are right for them or personal loans, whatever it may be. One thing that's profound with GenAI that we're learning and seeing in market today is now customers can interact with Credit Karma, whereas before they could not. The [indecipherable] I would show you the three credit cards that are right for you based on everything that I know about you. But now you can interact with Credit Karma and ask, Hey, I'm looking for travel rewards, which of these three credit cards are the best for me?

And then we interact with you and help you understand which one is the best for you based on an additional set of questions that you've asked where we now know more about. That's profound because that will, over time, drive higher engagement, monetization, et cetera. And on the small business front, our entire focus is revenue and profitability increase. Everything that we are testing in market, learning in market is so that we can help you with campaigns that increases your revenue or manage our cash flow that better helps you with profitability.

And one of the things we're testing with is to have experts that actually provide insights to you. And those insights could be, hey, it's time to take out capital because your sales are strong or I just finished doing your books for you. Would you like to have a conversation so you can understand your cash flow and how your book is close for the month. And that's a monetizable event for us. So probably a longer answer that you're looking for, but those are the things that are in market where we're learning and adjusting. And we think over time, we haven't perfected any of this yet because it's actually hard, but we believe it will create an entirely new category of services and growth.

Alex Zukin
Analyst at Wolfe Research

[technical issue] Thank you guys.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Thank you Alex.

Operator

The next question comes from Kirk Materne with Evercore ISI.

Kirk Materne
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Yes. Thanks so much and congrats on the quarter. Sasan, can you just remind us where we are in terms of some of the cross-sell of QuickBooks into the Mailchimp base and vice versa. And when [indecipherable] for QuickBooks, will that be the point at which it can answer questions across sort of the front office and back office for customers? Can you just talk about that a little bit? Thanks so much.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yes. Great question, Kirk. Let me start with your -- the Intuit Assist question first. And I'll sequence -- I'll share with you how we're sequencing it. Right now, our entire focus. And remember, everything that we are doing here is based on data and AI. A lot of our investments are what we don't see, which is ensuring that the data is usable, that it's clean, that is structured the right way and that our machine learning, knowledge engineering and GenAI capabilities can digest all of the data. Inclusive of data, by the way, that's contributed by the customer like access to their Gmail account, access to their Excel spreadsheet because a lot of customers' data are in those two places or they're in shoe boxes and being able to take pictures and for us to be able to digest that data and actually deliver insights. So our first priority of order is to ensure that if you're using our small business platform and if you are looking to put together marketing campaigns that Intuit Assist is doing that for you.

The second element of what we are focused on is then being able to transfer and use Intuit Assist across QuickBooks and Mailchimp because all the data points are connected. That is absolutely where we are headed, and it's sequenced in second place compared to what I just articulated because we have to mail the basics. But that's actually where the power of our platform will show off to our customers where whether you're in Credit Karma or TurboTax, you can ask whatever question you want that is relevant in your life, and we can answer it because all of our data points are connected and our AI capabilities are, in essence, working across the products. So that is sequence, but we're working on that as we speak.

The second is cross-sell. First of all, I'll start with -- we're not thinking about it in terms of cross-sell. We're thinking about it in terms of product integration. So what we are really focused on. And this is, by the way, this applies to TurboTax and Credit Karma this applies to Mailchimp and QuickBooks. What we're really focused on is integrating the product at moment of truth that matters most based on how the customer does the work. Like, for instance, if you are in QuickBooks on your left map, this is just an illustrative example because we're actually testing a lot of this is that you can actually see how you can manage your customers and put together marketing campaigns.

And when you engage and click on that, you have the Mailchimp engine that is working behind the scenes and after maybe a couple of free trials then we share with you how much it is to pay for these capabilities. So that's what I mean by product integration. We want to nail the benefits at the moment that matters versus just trying to sell you Mailchimp within the platform. We found over time that, that's not as effective. What's most effective is the product integration. So that's the approach that we're taking across all of our platforms

Kirk Materne
Analyst at Evercore ISI

That's it. Thanks so much.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Thank you. Very welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Brent Thill with Jefferies.

Brent Thill
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Just on for Credit Karma to get back to growth, what are the key ingredients that you need to see for that to get back to growth versus the declines that we've seen the last year?

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yes, good question. A couple of things. One, which we are starting to see, which is just stability of partners and the environment, for the most part, other than some select partners, we've actually seen stability with our partners, and we've actually seen verticals like insurance come back. We saw a big decline last year. So one is just stability. And then the second is just the areas of innovation that we are focused on. One is we've redesigned the entire app. Now it's rolled out to all members, which is a massive, massive feet. And based on the redesign of the app, there are many ways in which we can engage customers more so than we could before, and that will actually drive monetization. So that's one lever beyond the macro that I mentioned.

The second is Intuit Assist. It's the example I provided earlier, where now customers can actually interact with us and ask questions and let us know what's important to them, but we can personalize things in a way that we could never before. And based on very early testing, we see the engagement is higher when customers are interacting with Intuit Assist, which over time will lead to monetization. That's the second area. Third is just a number of initiatives that we have around Prime. As I've mentioned, as we've mentioned before, Prime is actually quite a large part of our monthly active users, but we've never really focused on it. Now that's an area of focus. And then last but not least is TurboTax. And TurboTax, the way we're thinking about it is actually about product integration because the more we can engage members year around, around if they took out a mortgage or having them take a snapshot of their W-2 and letting them know what their refund could be. The more we can actually penetrate more of the members to use TurboTax as a method to get their access to the refund. All those things, creating one platform is what we believe and are confident actually that will get us to accelerated growth, and it's really in that order. So let me pause there. Hopefully that helps, Brad.

Brent Thill
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Yeah, great. Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

You are very welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from James Friedman with Susquehanna.

James Friedman
Analyst at Susquehanna Bancshares

Hi, thank you. I was hoping to get your thoughts on the opportunity for additional build pay options. I believe, Sasan, you mentioned in your prepared remarks rolling out same-day ACH. But any high-level thoughts on other bill pay options, including virtual credit cards? Thank you.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yeah, thank for the question. First of all, the key to success for us, given where we are on the rollout is one network connections. And as you heard in our remarks, albeit very early, the number of business network connections has doubled since August. And that's important because it helps. It's a huge step forward to then digitize how we, in essence, help customers get paid and pay bills. The second is just -- it's executing on our road map. The big thing that we're starting to roll out that we talked about earlier is just faster payments, and that's through both paid ACH next day that we're rolling out and also batch payments. And so we're going to continue to look at what's most important for our customers, and that's what's informing our road map, but we have to do it in conjunction with continuing to increase network connections. And we're really excited about in the long term, what's possible, digitizing all of B2B because it's very -- it's incredibly beneficial to our customers because they get paid faster. And two, it's really a sticky product.

James Friedman
Analyst at Susquehanna Bancshares

Thank you so much.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

You are welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Raimo Lenschow with Barclays.

Raimo Lenschow
Analyst at Barclays Capital

Thank you. Congrats from me as well. A question for Sandeep. As you think about this year, you kind of said that you didn't expect a lot of kind of recovery to [Indecipherable] just like how you manage the business. But if you think about costs, so far, you've been doing really well on margins. But there's also obviously an element of getting ready for things are getting better. How do you see the progression of investments this year? Thank you.

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

Hey Raimo, thanks for the question. super important one. And let me share some of my thoughts. First and foremost, I'll start with the fact that we're deliberately building this business to scale growth while increasing our profitability. In fact, those are principal ones and two of our financial principles that we use to manage this company. So that's a very deliberate approach that we are taking. And we have a track record of spending margin over the years while bringing innovation to markets such as interest, such as building innovation to address the opportunity we have in the mid-market such as innovation to localize product in merging [Phonetic] for the international market. So we are not leaving growth opportunities on the table with our focus to scale growth and drive innovation.

Now to the second point of your question in terms of the profitability profile so far this year, we look at our margins and aim to deliver our margin commitments for the full year and I feel quite confident in our path to do so. And the performance we had in the first couple of quarters, in fact, boosted the confidence that I have in our full year guidance.

Raimo Lenschow
Analyst at Barclays Capital

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Mark Murphy with JPMorgan.

Mark Murphy
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Thank you very much. So Sasan, within the QuickBooks business, you have this growth vector in the upmarket piece. And I'm curious if you're able to comment on the growth and traction that you're seeing in that 10 to 100 employee segment versus the one to nine or zero to nine employee segment. For instance, is one of those growing mid-20s and the other is high teens. Just interested in how much of a spread you see there and maybe where you see it trending this year?

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yeah sure. I'll add a perspective and would invite Sandeep to chime in as well. I think the short answer is we are seeing more traction in our higher value customers and our mid-market customers, which I think to your frame is 10, 15 employees and up or more, higher revenue customers. We are seeing more traction there, and more momentum there. And by the way, a big part of it is that's where we're really focusing our innovation, our go-to-market. At the same time, to be clear, we are -- we always remain paranoid and always believe in the notion of disrupting from the low end, which is, by the way, why we just launched the solopreneur offering, which is to be able to serve those small businesses that, in essence, they're on their own because we believe that is helping entrepreneurs when they're a team of one because one day, some will become a team of thousands. So we're not taking our eye off the ball on the low end at all, but we're doubling down on our focus on the higher value customers. And yes, we do see more resiliency, more momentum with these larger customers.

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

And Sasan -- Sasan covered the topic. The only thing I would add is that the year economics on the upmarket is also something that we find quite attractive to these customers. They tend to scale to a much higher ARPC, especially as we get them to adopt our platform. They, by definition, have more employees. They have a definition of processing more payments. So that's also something that we find attractive and is very much an area that we are having our go-to-market teams and our product teams deliberately lean in this year.

Mark Murphy
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Thank you very much.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Very welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Steve Enders with Citi.

Steven Enders
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions here. I guess maybe just on the SMB side again. I think you made a comment in the prepared remarks about shifting towards ARPC over time as a growth lever. Just I guess one I want to clarify that comment. And then secondarily, does that change how you think about the levers of growth moving forward for the SMB segment from more towards ARPC away from the customer side?

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

Thanks for the question. Steve, the way we think about it and as we were just addressing in the prior question, we see a tremendous opportunity in the mid-market for those that we currently define as having 10 to 100 employees. And what really excites us about this opportunity is that these customers come with a much higher lifetime value, much higher ARPC and have better retention. And so that just helps our economics. But these customers also tend to have higher customer acquisition costs. So -- and they are relatively fewer of those than the smaller customers just by definition, when you look at the overall addressable market. So as we focus on these larger customers, they -- that means we will get higher ARPC customer even though there are fewer of those. So that is where the growth formula, we continue to abide by the growth formula that we have publicly discussed about 10% to 20% customer growth, 10% to 20% ARPC growth, whereas we continue to focus on the mid-market, you should expect us to lean in more towards the ARPC growth because of this dynamic with the mid-market. And we think that's actually a good thing for the business going forward.

Steven Enders
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Okay, very much. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst at Oppenheimer

Thanks very much. Good afternoon. Sasan, a couple of tax questions. One, just here's a -- we're three weeks in, we're pretty well through the early season. you had anticipated earlier before the tax season that we would see a probably flattish year for the industry. And that felt kind of conservative. Now that we're in a bit -- and we've also seen a return to DIY category shift. I'm curious if you have any update on what you're seeing for the industry overall thus far?

And then the second part is, on full service, you sound very happy with it, the 88 number recommendation score. Could you speak to some of the growing pain points you had last year and the fixes you're seeing this year as you're working your way through the early season? Thanks.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Yeah sure. Thank you for the question. You know our view, having been through however many tax seasons we've been through as a company is -- it's early in the season to estimate how many folks will ultimately file when it's all said and done. With that said, our belief is still the same. It will probably be total of number of filers will probably be flattish, maybe up a little bit. Our perspective really hasn't changed because our focus is how do we win as many filers within the categories that are going to file. But so the first answer is our view hasn't really changed.

The second on full service and some of the growing pains, I would call out a few from last year compared to what we're doing this year. One is we actually made it difficult for customers to get into full service last year. And by the way, it was more time to ensure that customers were really, really getting into the right service, but we had so much friction that we had created upfront. And if you think about somebody that just walked into somebody's home or office and sort of hands everything over and says here, get my taxes done and then they interact until -- three, four weeks later until their taxes are done. The notion of engaging and putting a lot of friction up and asking a lot of questions upfront is not a behavior they're used to. So that was big learning and growing pain, a lot of which we have removed all the friction and engage -- get a customer to engage an expert depending on what we know about them very, very early. So that's one.

I think the second one, we learned a lot about what did and did not work in our campaigns last year. And there's a lot we are doing differently to really help customers, both on air digitally, but also the infrastructure that we are working on, which by the way is not going to be done this season, right? We're going to be investing in it for several years where basic things, which by the way, are very powerful, where if I did your taxes and you love the work that I did for you. And by the way, our product recommendation score of 88 would suggest that our experts are delivering excellent service, you'd want to recommend me to your friend. Well, last year, you could not do that. And this year, we're building the capabilities so you can actually recommend me to a friend. And that virality is a very big thing, especially when you have an 88 product recommendation score.

And then lastly is 43% of those that use an assisted method that choose the switch to somebody else, 43% will actually go on Google, and Google is there a Tax Pro near me. And again, that's another example of where we didn't have the infrastructure to show up. And we're building that infrastructure. So I can tell you for a fact in San Jose, California, right, or in Los Gatos, I should say, if you put in Tax Pro near me, we will show up top of the list. We being TurboTax. If you do it in Atlanta, which is where I was a few weeks ago, we don't show up, we're working on it. And so that's an example of the things that we learned last year. that we're implementing this year, but not just for this tax season, but really to nail it with excellence as we think about the future.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst at Oppenheimer

Great. Thanks.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

Very welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Keith Weiss with Morgan Stanley.

Keith Weiss
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Excellent. Thank you guys for taking the question. This one for Sandeep as well. Another margin question, but a little bit of a different angle. When it comes to generative AI, we're really been talking a lot about the potential top line impact. Are there operating margin benefits that you guys can see through just better usage of the GenAI technology internally, whether it's stuff like coded [Indecipherable] or whatnot? And then on the flip side of the equation, given that a lot of this stuff is still ramping up, is there anything we should be looking out for on the gross margin line in terms of just like these capabilities being that much more compute intensive and that much more impact on COGS versus what you're seeing in consensus investments today? Thank you.

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

Absolutely Keith. So let me start by just reminding us all that the GenAI cost for the current fiscal year have been incorporated into our guidance. So that's first and foremost, but now let me address the themes of your question. As I think about the cost structure, and outlook from the cost structure where your question was, we actually feel that we are quite advantageous versus market in the sense that the data that we have, that we have touched on that's residing behind our firewall. That we are creating our large language models on that are delivering more contextually relevant answers at a faster speed versus other generally available large language models and that they are doing that at a fraction of the cost. So just from a unit economics point of view for the GenAI it is actually advantageous the way we are running it.

Two, we don't have our own data center, and we rely on AWS and other third-party data centers to run our model. So that, again, is a cost advantage because we don't have the build-out cost as some others might have. Furthermore, as I look across our business, I do see opportunities for us to, over time, improve our economics using GenAI and AI. We've already given examples on things such as in customer success, where agents no longer have to take notes or spend minutes summarizing the call that they just had, AI does that. And that's just one small example. But I expect that to continue to lead to more efficiencies in our customer success calls, lead to more better unit economics than a full service and live offerings. And as we kind of carry that forward also how we are staffing in terms of project management or designers to engineers ratios. So I see many opportunities for us to continue to benefit from GenAI, and I feel good about the early start that we have leading into some of those capabilities.

Keith Weiss
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Got it. So net, net, it seems like a positive dynamic versus something that could drag on margins overall?

Sandeep Aujla
Chief Financial Officer at Intuit

That would be the right takeaway. Yes.

Keith Weiss
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Excellent. Thank you guys.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's question-and-answer period. I will now turn the program back over to our presenters for any additional or closing remarks.

Sasan Goodarzi
Chief Executive Officer at Intuit

All right. Awesome. Everybody, thank you for listening in. Thank you for your wonderful questions. Be safe. We'll talk to you next quarter. Thank you, everybody.

Operator

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