Jacobs Solutions Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 6, 2024
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Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Krista, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Jacobs Solution Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you.

I will now turn the conference over to Ayan Banerjee, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Finance. Ayan, you may begin your conference.

Ayan Banerjee
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Finance at Jacobs Solutions

Thank you. Good morning. Our earnings announcement was filed this morning and we have posted a slide presentation on our website, which we will refer during the call. I would like to refer you to Slide 2 of the presentation material for information about our forward-looking statements, non-GAAP financial measures and operating metrics.

Turning to the agenda on Slide 3. Speaking on today's call will be Jacobs' CEO, Bob Pragada; Special Advisor to the CEO, Kevin Berryman; as well as our new CFO, Venk Nathamuni. Bob will begin by providing an overview of recent activities and then summarizing highlights from our third quarter results. Kevin will provide a more in-depth discussion of our financial metrics. Venk will then provide a review of our balance sheet and cash flow and provide comments around our guidance and investor day. Finally, Bob will provide closing remarks and then we will open up the call for your questions.

With that, I will turn it over to CEO, Bob Pragada.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Thank you, Ayan. Good day, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss our third quarter fiscal year 2024 business performance. I am joined today by my Special Advisor, Kevin Berryman, who acted as Interim CFO into June and will, therefore, report out financials.

I'm delighted to also welcome our new CFO, Venk Nathamuni, on his first earnings call for Jacobs. Venk joined us in June and will provide details on guidance. Venk brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise from his 30-plus year career, and I am excited to work in partnership with him moving forward.

Kevin will continue in his role as Special Advisor to me to drive a successful conclusion to the separation and merger of our Critical Mission Solutions and Cyber Intelligence businesses with Amentum. I'd like to extend my gratitude for Kevin for his ongoing support.

Now moving to Slide 4. We continue to make progress on our strategic shift toward a simpler, higher value, higher margin portfolio and remain confident in driving margin expansion over the coming years.

Turning to Slide 5. I am pleased to report significant progress on the previously announced planned spin-off of our Critical Mission Solutions and Cyber & Intelligence businesses. An updated Form 10 was publicly filed yesterday with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. This filing, made under Amazon Holdco, Inc., includes important business and financial information about the intended merger with Amentum to create a leading publicly-traded global government services provider. Amentum will provide additional details during their Capital Markets Day on Tuesday, August 13, 2024. The transaction is now anticipated to be completed in the second half of September 2024.

Turning to Slide 6 and Q3. I will now share our third quarter achievements, highlighted by strong backlog growth, consolidated margin expansion and P&PS record backlog and strong adjusted operating margin. This period saw a continuation of a mixed shift to higher margin science-based consulting and advisory services that offer significantly higher returns, contributing to an overall margin expansion, notably led by P&PS and our partnership with PA Consulting. We are seeing an accelerating demand for critical infrastructure, particularly in water, environmental and advanced facilities end markets, which are poised for substantial growth.

Consolidated backlog increased 6% year over year, bolstering confidence that our business will accelerate profitable growth as we strategically shift our portfolio to higher value, higher margin solutions. Our consolidated adjusted EBITDA came in at $392 million, an increase of approximately 11% compared to same period last year and representing 11.5% adjusted EBITDA margin. From a cash perspective, we started the second half of the year by delivering very strong operating cash flow of $483 million and free cash flow of $445 million. We continue to expect exceeding 100% reported free cash flow conversion in fiscal year 2024, underscoring the power of our business model.

Turning to Slide 7. People & Places Solutions line of business reported another solid top-line growth along with strong adjusted operating margins of 15.3% and adjusted operating profit growth of 12% year on year. We ended Q3 with a strong book to bill of 1.3 -- 1.53 times and record backlog. Adjusted net revenue was up 5% year over year. Our pipeline remains robust and we continue to expect P&PS -- solid P&PS organic revenue growth for Q4 fiscal year '24.

I'm particularly pleased to report that, during the quarter, we continued to deliver substantial wins in core sectors such as water, environmental and advanced facilities, a testament to our robust market positioning, deep domain expertise and long-term trusted client relationships. We achieved double-digit growth in our water and environmental markets with two-thirds of our water-related business focused in on high-value, science-based consulting and advisory services, driven by aging infrastructure and emerging PFAS regulations.

Water continues to be a foundational element of our portfolio, exemplified by key wins across various geographies, reinforcing our global leadership in the sector. Europe, particularly the U.K., has shown resilience, posting a robust quarter in water-related awards. In Asia, we are appointed by PUB, Singapore's national water agency to engineer and program manage the new Kranji Water Reclamation Plant, designed to enhance Northern Singapore's water treatment capacity by 120 million imperial gallons per day.

Additionally, our partnership with Onondaga county, the Syracuse metropolitan area in Central New York, which began in 2008, continues as they've chosen us to provide program management services for their efforts in controlling increased combined sewer overflow and utilizes our Digital OneWater solutions. This expansion will be critical in remediating aging water infrastructure and supporting industrial growth in the geography.

We're excited by the continued momentum and pipeline build in our advanced facilities portfolio, predominantly driven by life sciences, semiconductor manufacturing and AI chip-driven data center expansion. Specifically in life sciences, we continue to see robust growth, with our pipeline and revenue growing double digits year over year. Approximately two-thirds of our life sciences-related business is concentrated in high-value, science-based consulting and advisory services. We were selected by FUJIFILM Diosynth Biotechnologies to support the $1.2 billion expansion of their large-scale biologics facility -- biologics manufacturing site in Holly Springs, North Carolina, providing engineering, procurement and program management services with the first phase of construction expected to complete in 2025.

We continue to see a growing pipeline in transportation and energy and power supported by ongoing government stimulus. As an example, in transportation, we were selected to provide program management services for Broward County Transportation Department's first ever public transit expansion. This $4.4 billion 30-year initiative will transform the county's transportation infrastructure into a multi-modal transit system with a new light rail connecting Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport to Port Everglades. Additionally, the quarter was highlighted by several key wins in the energy and sustainability space, as demonstrated by our appointment as program manager for the ARCHES Hydrogen Consortium and Master Services Agreement with Shell Energy in Australia.

PA Consulting delivered an industry-leading adjusted operating margin of 21.8% with robust execution and cost discipline. Our partnership with PA continues to be a differentiator in our science-based consulting and advisory services. Together with PA, we were selected in the Hertfordshire County, U.K. to enhance the public highways network in the county with services valued at approximately $22 million annually. This collaboration focuses on sustainability and aims to deliver long-term value over an initial five-year period, with potential extensions up to 14 years.

In Divergent Solutions, we are encouraged by the ongoing demand for our digitally-enabled infrastructure solutions that will remain with independent Jacobs post close. A testament to our capabilities is our recent selection by the City of Omaha to develop a data analytics and AI-enabled support system for its wastewater network, utilizing Jacobs Digital OneWater solutions, Aqua DNA. CMS delivered 35 basis points of margin expansion, the highest in 10 quarters and has a strong pipeline. Additionally, we're experiencing encouraging trends that support long-term growth as we approach the merger with Amentum.

In summary, we remain confident in our ability to win higher value, higher margin solutions and deliver superior execution to meet our clients' expectations.

Now, I'll turn the call over to Kevin to review our financial results in further detail.

Kevin Berryman
Special Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Thank you, Bob. We are pleased with our Q3 results leading to another solid quarter. Let me begin by summarizing a few of the highlights for the quarter on Slide 8. Third quarter gross revenue grew 1% year over year and adjusted net revenue also grew 1%. GAAP operating profit was $260 million for the quarter and included $53 million of amortization from acquired intangibles and $73 million of transaction restructuring and other costs, including $62 million associated with the separation transaction.

We now expect our total restructuring cost to be approximately $300 million for the fiscal year, materially driven by higher separation transaction costs associated with our anticipated close now targeted during the second half of September 2024. Our adjusted operating margin was again a strong 11.3%. I'll discuss the underlying dynamics during the reporting segment review.

GAAP EPS from continuing operations was $1.17 per share and included $0.31 impact related to the amortization charge of acquired intangibles and $0.49 from transaction restructuring and other related costs, which again were materially driven by the separation transaction. Excluding these items, third quarter adjusted EPS was $1.96, marking an 11% increase compared to the previous year. Q3 adjusted EBITDA was $392 million and was up 11% year over year, representing an 11.5% adjusted EBITDA margin. Finally, consolidated backlog was up 6% year over year and the revenue book-to-bill ratio was 1.29 times, with our gross profit and backlog increasing 5.5% year over year.

Regarding the performance of our lines of business in the quarter, let's turn to Slide 9, starting with People & Places Solutions. Q3 adjusted net revenue was up 5% year over year with adjusted operating profit up 12%. Our mix shift mentioned earlier resulted in higher margins on lower revenue growth. Adjusted operating margin of 15.3% was up 95 basis points year over year. Our backlog grew by 10% year over year, while gross profit in backlog grew 9%. This quarter's critical wins underscore our strength in water, environmental and advanced facilities, reinforcing our leadership position in these key markets. These wins translated into a book to bill of 1.53 times and a record backlog as previously mentioned by Bob.

Moving to Critical Mission Solutions. Our Q3 revenue decreased 3% year over year, while backlog was up 4%. Excluding the announced contract loss mentioned in the prior quarter, our revenue would have been up slightly year over year. Our adjusted operating profit was at 1.2% year over year, while CMS adjusted operating margin rose by approximately 35 basis points year over year to 8.7%, the highest margin in 10 quarters as the business continues to drive operational improvements and margin-enhancing, client-facing projects.

Shifting to Divergent Solutions. Q3 saw an 11% year-over-year dip in adjusted net revenue and a 40% year-over-year decrease in adjusted operating profit, driven by a one-time year-to-date government rate adjustment and the space-based ISR program delays that were mentioned in the prior quarter. Despite the strategic shift in funding with the DoD, we continue to see positive momentum in our space-based ISR technology adoption leading to pipeline build and expected future backlog growth.

Now, let's turn our attention to PA Consulting. Q3 saw a modest increase in year-over-year revenue. However, PA delivered a strong adjusted operating margin of 21.8%, reflecting a 60 basis point improvement from the previous year. Our margin results this quarter exceeded our expectations and reinforces our confidence in sustaining a strong margin profile as we continue to expect 20% plus margins in Q4. Backlog increased 4% year over year and we expect improved growth as we enter fiscal year 2025. Our adjusted unallocated corporate costs were $61 million in Q3 and we continue to make progress on simplifying and optimizing our operating model to drive costs down.

Finally, I am very excited to welcome Venk to the team. We've been working together closely and I -- and we have made great progress on ensuring a smooth transition transition.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Venk.

Venk Nathamuni
Chief Financial Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Thank you, Kevin. Let me begin by saying I'm very excited to be part of the Jacobs team and a special thanks to Kevin for his partnership and support. I'll now provide a quick overview of our balance sheet and cash flow metrics, followed by consolidated full year guidance.

Turning to Slide 10. We posted a strong quarter of cash flow generation, which is indicative of the quality of our earnings and cash conversion. We generated strong quarterly free cash flow of $445 million. Year to date, our free cash flow conversion was well above 100%, leading to a full-year expectation of greater than 100%.

Regarding capital allocation, we opportunistically repurchased $151 million of shares during the quarter, which was up $55 million compared to Q2, reflecting our commitment to delivering consistent return of capital to our shareholders. We have $528 million remaining under our current repurchase authorization and, as we've stated before, we'll continue to return capital to shareholders while remaining committed to maintaining an investment-grade credit profile.

On the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with cash of $1.2 billion and gross debt of $2.9 billion and our Q3 net debt to adjusted EBITDA of approximately 1.1 times remains a clear indication of the continued strength of our balance sheet. Given the strength, we feel comfortable with a portion of our debt remaining current in the fiscal year. We have ample options refinancing as well as using proceeds from the expected separation transaction for repaying the current amounts. As to the end of Q3, approximately 37% of our debt was tied to floating rates and our weighted average interest rate was approximately 5%. On the dividend front, we remain committed to growing our quarterly dividend. The board has authorized a quarterly dividend of $0.29, an 11.5% year-over-year increase to be paid on August 23.

Turning to Slide 11. Given the solid execution thus far, we are narrowing our consolidated adjusted EPS outlook to a range of $7.85 to $8.05, representing 10% growth year over year at the midpoint. We expect fiscal 2024 adjusted EBITDA to be near the lower end of the $1.54 billion to $1.585 billion range. This guidance incorporates Q3 adjusted EPS of $1.96 and approximately 27% adjusted effective tax rate for the remainder of this fiscal year. Additionally, this represents 13% EPS growth in the second half of fiscal year 2024 for versus the year ago period.

Our expectation is that the ongoing positive momentum in our business will lead to increased revenue growth in fiscal year 2025 compared to our current levels. Once we close the separation transaction, we anticipate an immediate shift in our company's growth profile, positioning us solidly for higher growth and higher margins. As Bob mentioned earlier, the anticipated separation transaction close date is now in the second half of September 2024. As a result, we expect Q3 to be the last quarter in which the results of the separated businesses will be included in our continuing operations. Beginning next quarter, we expect our results for our continuing operations to reflect the new independent Jacobs. Historical results for independent Jacobs will be available following the close of the transaction.

And lastly, we're excited to announce that we will be hosting an Investor Day for independent Jacobs on February 18, 2025 in Miami, Florida. We look forward to sharing our long-term strategy as well as our financial target model with the investor community during this event. Additional details will be forthcoming and we look forward to your participation.

And with that, now, I'll turn the call back to Bob.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Thank you, Venk. In closing, we are invigorated as demand for our science-based, digitally-enabled solutions remains strong with clients continuing to select Jacobs to address their most complex challenges. We are exceptionally well positioned to capitalize on the momentum in the critical infrastructure market and we remain confident in our ability to grow market share and fulfill the needs of our clients across key sectors.

Operator, we will now open the call for questions.

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Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Michael Dudas with Vertical Research. Please go ahead.

Michael Dudas
Analyst at Vertical Research

Good morning, gentlemen, and welcome, Venk.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Morning, Mike.

Venk Nathamuni
Chief Financial Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Thank you.

Michael Dudas
Analyst at Vertical Research

Yeah. Maybe first to talk about your improvement in the gross margins in the P&PS backlog that you reported this quarter, up 9%. Maybe a characteristic of the mix impact. Is there any industries or end markets that have contributed more to that? And I guess as my follow up, as you're looking towards fiscal 2025 and the pipeline you have and a very strong book-to-bill that you had, how confident do you believe that you can show backlog and net revenue organic growth moving ahead into 2025, given where your position is today with your backlog and pipeline?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Sure. Mike, maybe I'll address both. I'd say yes, the gross profit and backlog is definitely being positively affected by two elements. One, our service mix; and second, the end market sector mix. And so on the service mix, mentioned a couple of times, we are really seeing a fundamental shift in our profile with regards to higher end science-based consulting and advisory services. And that's not only showing up in our results from a burn profile, but also in the backlog. The profile of the backlog is right now, as a point in time, heavily weighted towards water, as well as in advanced facilities, predominantly life sciences. And those two have a higher margin profile as well. So both are having a positive effect on that. With regards to FY '25, we're looking forward to potentially another strong Q4 backlog performance, booking and backlog performance, leading to confidence in our revenue growth in FY '25. So definitely, some nice tailwinds there.

Michael Dudas
Analyst at Vertical Research

That's great, Bob. Thanks. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Hey. Good morning, everyone.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Hi. Good morning, Andy.

Venk Nathamuni
Chief Financial Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Good morning.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

So Bob, Venk or Kevin, can you give us a bit more color into the guidance toward the lower end of your annual EBITDA range you just said? What changed versus last quarter? Obviously, your margin has been very good. So you're seeing delays in backlog burning, which is hurting your revenue. Anything else that you could give us in terms of color?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. Go ahead, Venk.

Venk Nathamuni
Chief Financial Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. Andy, yeah, thanks for the question. So I'd say a few moving parts as it relates to the EBITDA performance. So obviously, from the standpoint of EPS, we came in kind of the midpoint of the range as we guided to. Now as far as the EBITDA is concerned, we did allude to the fact that there were a couple of segments that were weaker than we expected. One was obviously the CMS, the sci-tech loss that was announced in the prior quarter, and then some of the devious delays that Bob alluded to in his earnings script. But I would say at a higher level, when you look at the difference between the EBITDA performance and the EPS performance, clearly, we had a little bit of a tax benefit that helped us on the EPS front. And then obviously, as you also know, we reported a pretty significant stock buyback. So that reduced the share count as well. So I'd say the difference between the EBITDA and EPS is primarily due to those two items. But what I would also point to is that if you look at the PPS backlog, we feel pretty good about where our profile of that business is heading towards, both from a revenue growth standpoint, as well as a margin standpoint.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Very helpful. And then Bob, Venk or Kevin, you kept the 13.8% plus FY '25 standalone margin guidance intact for now. But obviously, your People & Places margin has been much higher than expected so far this year. So how do you think about that target at this point? Could there be considerable upside to that target? And then when you think about RemainCo sales, I know you said you expect a pretty good year next year. But any reason why you couldn't expect that sort of 6% to 9% growth for People & Places at least that you've been talking about?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. So maybe the first one with regards to confidence going into FY '25, Andy, there was a reason why we put the plus. Clearly, some moving parts right now with regards to the separation. So timing was another element that we wanted to consider. Performance has been solid. So I would just -- I'd characterize it as some tailwinds that we've got going into FY '25, and we'll be really clear about that as we move into the next phase. But for confidence overall. Andy, remind me again in the second half of the question.

Andrew Kaplowitz
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

[Technical Issues] you've got PA Consulting, what have you. But how do you think about sort of visibility toward the core infrastructure growth in '25?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. Sorry about that. So yes, good visibility there. During the quarter, we -- strong tailwinds in water and advanced facilities in the areas where there was a little bit of maybe some slight, not decay, but pause, I'd say in the U.K. with regards to transport and the election and then a reprioritization of some shifts in the Middle East, specifically in Saudi. Those haven't gone away. And now with the election in the U.K., as well as some clarity on programs moving forward in Saudi, those also serve as some positive tailwinds on a mix standpoint going into FY '25.

Kevin Berryman
Special Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

And if I could, I would say that in terms of just what we see ahead, clearly, from a Q4 booking standpoint, there's still some good confidence about the strength of those bookings. But in terms of specifics, we'll obviously provide you fiscal '25 guidance in the next earnings call. And then we look forward to providing a much more long-term guidance both in terms of the revenue growth, as well as our profitability profile when we have the Investor Day in February. Thank you for your questions.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Fisher with UBS. Please go ahead.

Steven Fisher
Analyst at UBS Group

Thanks. Good morning. I'm not sure if this one would be something you would save for that Investor Day, but really just trying to think about what's the right framework for profit growth year over year in P&PS since, Bob, you mentioned that you're going to accelerate the profitable growth. I mean, is the framework here any different than the mid- to upper-single-digit revenue growth and then some of this margin mix gets you to low-double-digit profit growth? Or is something more like mid-teens possible given that you are accelerating these large awards and some of mix dynamics?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. I think it's early, Steve. We're going to go through all of that in some details, but we're really excited about the tailwinds that we see for FY '25, specifically in all subsectors of the infrastructure market and advanced facilities, but we remain very positive.

Steven Fisher
Analyst at UBS Group

Okay. Fair enough. And then just to follow up on the corporate expenses, just kind of can you just give us an update on how much more clarity you have to the path of hitting the target rate that you have and maybe what the next couple of quarters you have embedded in there in that trajectory?

Kevin Berryman
Special Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Well, look, Steven, I think it's clear that we're going to have a different reporting structure as Venk highlighted, once the transaction closes. So the numbers that you will see in the corporate line will start to change. And we're working through all the reporting segments and all that kind of information for the full year reporting. So you may not see exactly the same number going forward, but you will fundamentally, on an apples-to-apples basis, that $60 million, we expect will trend down to $50 million over time. It may embed it into a consolidated result for the company, and so you may not see it broken out separately, but that's going to help drive towards that 13.8% EBITDA margin that was just asked going forward. So we feel good about it. Some of that cost will have to be targeted after separation because we still have two businesses to run, so -- or three, I should say, with PA and so more to come on that, but we feel confident about the necessary cost reductions that allow us to get to the 13.8% EBITDA margin.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sabahat Khan with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Sabahat Khan
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks and good morning. You talked a little -- you mentioned a bit of the ongoings in the U.K. a little bit. Can you just maybe talk about just the flow of the projects you're seeing across some of the markets, maybe particularly kind of the U.S. and the U.K.? Obviously, a lot of elections going on, other puts and takes globally. Just is that trending in line with what you would have anticipated at the beginning of the year? Just any color there would be great.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. A couple comments. Let me start kind of with the U.S. and then work my way around. I'd say in the U.S., the flow of bid activity and pipeline across infrastructure and advanced facility. That hasn't slowed. I'd say the burn rate of some of our U.S. transport work has been a little slower from a burn standpoint, but the level of opportunities have been there. In water, I'd say globally, we have seen some real positive momentum, both on bookings, as well as burn, and that's across all geographies, U.S. Europe, to include the U.K., Middle east and our Asia Pac and ANZ area. So water has been in that realm, as well as advanced facilities really driven by life sciences.

So I'd say that just the two areas that we saw as a part of the election in the U.K. pause was transport. Water kept going in the U.K. and then a reprioritization in Saudi with regards to some of the event-driven cities-oriented work moving more towards the time-based work, like the expo or the airport or infrastructure that's going to be needed with a time element to that in 2026, leading to the expo and the FIFA World Cup. So these are things that we're continuing to add optimism as we move into Q4 and beyond.

Sabahat Khan
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Great. And then if you can maybe just follow up on the commentary around the water. Is it -- broadly heard that the demand in that space has been growing. Can you maybe just talk about your win rate in that space? Any particular areas within the broader water market where you might have been winning an outsized amount of work? And if I -- could you maybe just talk about the progress you've made with AMP8 in terms of any opportunities that you might have secured.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Sure. So as far as what's driving it, clearly, the aging infrastructure is a big piece. The other piece is around combined sewer overflows and what's happening with regards to climate and some of the natural disasters that we're seeing. So I'd say that's accelerating what's going on as well. In the drinking water component, we are seeing an increase in PFAS -- in addressing the PFAS regulations, specifically in the U.S., but also in Germany and in other locations, too. So that's all kind of driving that. Just to quantify it. Sabahat, our pipeline in the water sector is up nearly 2 times as it pertains to this time last year, and we are winning a majority of the work that we're going after, hence the real attention and focus on the growth.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andy Whitman with Baird. Please go ahead.

Andrew Whitman
Analyst at Robert W. Baird

Oh, great. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess I just wanted to get a little clarification on the gross profit in backlog. I guess your total backlog was up 6% year over year, and your gross profit and backlog was up 5.5%. So that suggests that the overall backlog has a little bit lower margin in it. I guess we've already established that the P&PS segment margin is up. So I was wondering what the offset and what segments they are, and if you could talk about the mix in those and what occurred there so we can understand the complexion there a little bit better. I think that would be helpful.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Andy, maybe just -- I'll let Kevin kind of clarify the nuance within the backlog and then I'll talk about kind of the profile as it pertains to the various end markets and we'll talk about the profile.

Kevin Berryman
Special Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. Look, so what we're seeing is we've been talking about the growth profile in People & Places topline wise and it being a little bit more muted because effectively we're seeing more consulting, science-based technology, technical and consulting work that's happening. In the backlog and the book to bill, very strong book to bill, is some other types of projects which include lower margin work, which will at the same time create accelerated top-line growth. So it'll be a little bit of a reduction in mix relative to the consulting piece versus our current levels. And at the end of the day, it's going to be quite positive because we'll still see, I think, incremental margin over time in People & Places because we've proven our ability to do that. And we're going to see some accelerated growth as well associated with some of these larger, I'm going to call it, projects that involve program management and extended dollars being spent, which will include a little bit greater percentage of pass through revenue, which has more limited margin than the high-value consulting work that we do.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. And Andy, maybe I'll just extend on that last thought that Kevin had. So then if you break that, you cited the consolidated numbers on the 6% and the 5.5% in gross profit. If you then translate that into P&PS, which relates to the last comment that Kevin made, that looks like more like 10% on the top line and 9% on gross profit. So you can kind of see the dynamic leaning towards P&PS is growing at a much higher rate.

Andrew Whitman
Analyst at Robert W. Baird

Got it. Okay. Yep. That actually makes sense. So that's helpful. I wanted to also just get an update, Bob, just on some of the actions you're taking in preparation for the split. I know you're looking at how your organization works and where the real cost centers are and the benefit centers are. Can you talk about any things that you've actioned to date that we should know about in terms of how you've changed your business model in anticipation of that forthcoming split, things that you're able to do now before you are able to actually effectuate that deal?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah, absolutely. So we really looked at, in a consolidated company, what type of corporate needs are going to be needed on more of a homogenous corporate needs are a lot more synchronized across the world. So those movements to global business centers and real streamlining of process protocols and systematic enhancements, those have been taking place in real time. From a business standpoint, we've already started to transition into optimizing on a lot of our cross-cutting capabilities, program management, digital enablement and other strong sales, market-leading sales, functions that will cut across the entirety of the company. So the geographic nuance, client-facing entities with cross-cutting capabilities, that structure, it's almost like being in -- with the being the Olympic time right now, it's already in that zone where we're handing off the baton in that section, we're already off and running.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bert Subin with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Bert Subin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Hey. Good morning.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Hey, Bert. Morning.

Kevin Berryman
Special Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Morning.

Bert Subin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Bob, maybe just to start with you, you had some comments on the advanced facility side. It sounds like life sciences has continued to be really strong, and you mentioned AI data centers, which I feel like is more of like a newer area for you guys in terms of that growing. I didn't hear the semi side. Can you just give some context on sort of what the mix there looks like? I mean, I know Intel reported and said they're taking down their capex. So like what the expectation is as we move through into maybe in the '25 for advanced facilities and how it's performing today?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Sure. So specifically on semis, Bert, we've been working on this for a while. So clearly, we do, do a lot of work for Intel, and that work is fundamentally on that capex program that they highlighted three or four years ago. We had substantially worked our way through that. And so the news that's come out has got a minimal effect on us. The diversification of our services that we perform for Intel, those kind of ongoing sustaining capital work that we do around tool installs and retrofits and layout dependent type work, that will continue.

So -- but the good news is that our diversification into memory customers as well as other logic customers that are doing work in the U.S. and in Europe, that's continued, and we'll have, hopefully, some good news to share next quarter on that, as well as some of the geographic expansion that's going on in places like India. And so we have some really positive momentum going on on that front. So overall, we're still bullish on the sector, and we'll continue to accelerate growth.

Bert Subin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

And then on life sciences.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

And then on life sciences, yeah, that's really going well right now. And it's probably a lot of discussion around GLP-1. But what we're seeing is Alzheimer's and oncology drugs still making a really big play. So the two big players that are in the GLP-1 sector, that is a big part of our work, but the new awards that are coming through, whether they be in the contract manufacturing space or in these other players that are -- have got a really nice pipeline of drugs coming into oncology, as well as in Alzheimer's, those are -- that's really driving that optimism too.

Venk Nathamuni
Chief Financial Officer at Jacobs Solutions

And Bert, if I could, just having most recently come from the semiconductor sector, we do see this as a secular trend in terms of where the manufacturing footprint is and across different realms of semiconductors and logic and memory, as Bob alluded to, and there's also a geographical shift that's happening. So as we look at our portfolio, we have good confidence that we are pretty well diversified. And then just the scope of the opportunities in front of us are still pretty good. Now obviously, any given quarter, it depends on what happens to the market. But I think if you look at it from a secular standpoint, we feel pretty good about our semiconductor footprint.

Bert Subin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

That's very helpful. And just a clarification there. On the -- Bob, you mentioned the FUJIFILM construction would start to -- the phase 1 will start to ramp down in the first half. Is that expected to have any meaningful impact? Or is the award sort of backfilling that?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

That's on the existing work, Bert. What we announced goes past that. So we're already on site doing phase 1. What I -- so my comment was around phase 1. Phase 2 is now just starting.

Bert Subin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Got it. Okay. And just as a follow-up, I mean, there's been a lot of questions on sort of the spin-off and sort of the dynamics there, referencing unallocated corporate expense and some of the other things. And I guess, Kevin or Venk, what are some of the dynamics we should be aware of, assuming that the spinoff closes in September, and we're going into the final quarter of the calendar year? What are some things to be aware of just from a perspective on modeling that are going to change? Obviously, not looking for guidance or anything like that, but just some dynamics that maybe are not fully appreciated.

Kevin Berryman
Special Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Okay. So yeah, a couple of things. One, when we do the Q4 results -- the full year results, I should say, since we're closing in our -- before the fiscal year ends, effectively, we will report on an independent Jacobs for the Q4 results and the full year results and report it on a historical basis as such as well. And all of the business that's included in the perimeter, which will be merged into the Amentum business, that will be basically assets held for sale. So you won't see that information.

We have provided you guidance for the full year similar to how we've established it for the full year. So assuming that it closes at the end of the year, all of those numbers that we just quoted would effectively be met. But you're going to actually see a lower number in the results just because some of it is now going to be because it's being put into equity directly as assets held for sale and you're going to be seeing the independent Jacobs. So a lot of clarity we'll be providing to get you an understanding of what that looks like, Bert, when we do report Q4 results, but a lot of moving pieces, but kind of that's a very general view of how you're going to be seeing our financials reported in Q4.

Venk Nathamuni
Chief Financial Officer at Jacobs Solutions

And yeah -- sorry, Kevin. Just to add to what Kevin said, in addition to what you said about our businesses, obviously, Amentum is going to have their Capital Markets Day in August 13. So we'll have some more color in terms of their business. And then as it relates to ours, we'll provide guidance for all of fiscal '25 in our November earnings call and then we'll talk about not only the revenue and growth as well as the margin profile. And then later on -- during Investor Day, we'll provide much more color about our long-term growth and operating models.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Cook with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Jamie Cook
Analyst at Truist Securities

Hi. Good morning. I guess most of my questions have been answered. But Bob, just thinking of Jacobs, after the Amentum spin, you're going to have a good balance sheet. Your cash flow generation has been fairly impressive, and I'm just thinking about the growth and the margin that you're seeing in PP&S and PA Consulting. So just sort of wondering what your appetite will be for M&A with Jacobs after this spin of the attractive dynamics that are out there, and then any help you can give us in sort of how we should think about. I'm just wondering if free cash flow conversion of the RemainCo is a better story than the market anticipates. Thank you.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Sure. Maybe I'll take the first one, Jamie, and then Venk can talk about going forward what free cash flow conversion looks like. Look, I think initially we got a lot of options, and our primary focus in the quarters that followed the separation is execution and performance and really driving that long-term margin growth profile. We like the positioning that we're in in each of the end markets, as well as geographies that we sit in. So it's not like there is an imperative that we need to do M&A in order to catalyze growth. We've got a great growth trajectory organically. And so proving that out, not even proving it out, executing on the plan that we have right now, we got a lot of confidence in. Past that period, we've got -- you said it yourself, we've got a great balance sheet and we've got a lot of options, and it's a great place to be. So much more to follow on that. On free cash flow, I'll let thank talk about that.

Venk Nathamuni
Chief Financial Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. And just free cash flow in just a second. But just to reiterate the point about capital allocation, just given what we see ahead of us in terms of the pipeline and the opportunities in front of us, I think from a capital allocation standpoint, we're strong believers in organic growth as the pursuit of capital. Clearly, from the standpoint of the free cash flow generation and the balance sheet that we have, we do have the ability, number one, we do want to continue to provide shareholders the opportunity to get dividends, but also, we'll be consistent in terms of buying our shares, repurchasing our shares. And then M&A, as Bob mentioned, is also an option. But the next few quarters, almost singular focus on execution.

Now, as it comes to free cash flow conversion, Jamie, you rightly pointed out we've been generating pretty decent free cash flow. We said we'll be at over 100% free cash flow conversion for the remainder of the year. And as you deep dive into the P&PS business, which is a big part of independent Jacobs, you can expect that free cash flow metrics to improve over time. Again, we'll quantify it as we get closer to the date, but we feel pretty good about where we are and where we're going.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sangita Jain with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Sangita Jain
Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah. Thank you so much for taking my questions. I guess most of them are answered, so I'm going to limit myself to just one. Are there any discrete deliverables from your side to close the Amentum spin at the second half of -- in the second half of September? Or is it just mostly just the paperwork that's taking time? Just wanted to get a sense of that.

Kevin Berryman
Special Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

All of the regulatory approvals on foreign investment and antitrust, all of those kind of things, we've already worked through and all has been approved. The only remaining item is the IRS ruling on our private letter ruling that we're looking for, which confirms a view that -- our view that the transaction is tax free to our shareholders. That's really what's driving the timing at this point in time. We've been having great discussions with IRS more to come, but we would expect to get that approval hopefully over the next month or so. And effectively, that positions for that second half of September close. We've got a lot of things to do with registration for SEC, distribution of shares and so on and so forth, but really the only thing that we are looking for is the IRS ruling, and we feel confident about it.

Sangita Jain
Analyst at KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. Thanks so much.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chad Dillard with Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Chad Dillard
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

Hey. Good morning, guys.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Morning, Chad.

Chad Dillard
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

So my question has to do with the top-line growth rate of the PPS business. Just trying to understand the trajectory of that as we exit '24 and then going into '25. So you're starting kind of at like a mid-single-digit rate in 2Q. You've got some pretty solid bookings that you brought in this quarter. And so I guess, like, will that be enough for the top line to get back into like, that, like 69% target range in '25?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yes. The backlog perform -- the bookings and backlog performance, Chad, has been really, really solid. In fact, the 1.53 times, we had to go back to see if that was a record in itself. And so we're confident that we're going to be going into '25 with some really solid growth projections, which we'll be very clear about when we articulate. So that's kind of on the financial and the lagging indicator, the answer is yes. On the leading indicator on the pipeline, as well as where we sit in the markets where the pipeline is growing the fastest, water and advanced facilities being highlighted, that also gives us a lot of confidence, too. So short a long way of answering your questions, the answer is yes.

Chad Dillard
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

Gotcha. Okay. And then just on that PP&S [Phonetic] segment, again, the operating margins, I guess, like, at least on a year-to-date basis, you're running somewhere close to like 15%. Any reason like that why that can't continue? And then one more question for you on the 4Q bookings, I think, Bob, you mentioned that you're pretty optimistic about that pipeline for 4Q. Can you just give a little more detail and do you think you can actually hit kind of like greater than 1 times book to bill in the fourth quarter.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah. So on the -- on our optimism around the P&PS margins and then how that will translate into go-forward margins for the whole company. I think on Slide 11, we did give some guidance on greater than 14.9%. So it probably highlights the optimism that we have on our current reporting structure with regards to that element. And then on Q4, similar to last quarter, Chad, I wouldn't make those comments unless we had already booked work in the first month of the quarter. So can't quite announce those right now. But you'll see that when we report out on Q4.

Operator

We have time for one more question. And our final question comes from Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Jerry Revich
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everyone. I want to ask people and...

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Hi, Jerry.

Jerry Revich
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Hi. The profit growth that you folks have delivered in People & Places over the past five years has been 8% CAGR; over the past three years, 11% CAGR. So as you folks think about the organic growth opportunity on a more focused Jacobs, can you just expand on that because the growth has already been really attractive in People & Places. And so maybe give us a few threads that you'll expand on at the Analyst Day on your expectations to continue to drive that level of growth or if you think you can accelerate off of that level of really strong performance that the business has delivered.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah, Jerry, without giving any kind of quantifiable number on where that number is going, I'll say this, our pipeline, where we're positioned in the end markets that we sit in today and in the tailwinds with regards to our bookings performance on that gives us a lot of optimism. And so in November and when we report out on the full year for independent Jacobs, as well as going into February and along the way in between, we'll put a lot more clarity, as well as quantify what that means. But overall, I think hopefully you're hearing some real optimism in our voices and in our performance on getting to exceeding the performance that we had for the last five years.

Jerry Revich
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

That's a high bar. All right. And can I ask in terms of just the moving pieces that you spoke about, Bob, around the U.K. election? Have you started to see -- now that that's resolved, have you seen an acceleration in activity levels or what's the history lesson on U.K. elections and the lag to when we start to see a booking reacceleration for your business?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Yeah, I'd say there's been an acceleration in the dialogue, right? And now those translating into those programs that we either paused or in anticipation of being put out to market. I think that's kind of the next phase. So over the course of the next six to 12 months, I think we'll see that. Interesting enough, Jerry, the water sector in the U.K. has not paused at all, and so that continues on. And then with PA, think about this, in the U.K. specifically, our -- as well as globally, PA has about a 50/50 private sector, public sector mix in their business. The public -- the private sector in PA this quarter grew 11% year on year. And the public sector was kind of in this election pause. We see that kind of coming out as well, which gives us optimism not only in the Jacobs business, but in the PA business, too, moving into FY '25.

Operator

We have one more question from Louie DiPalma with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Louie DiPalma
Analyst at William Blair

Thanks. Bob. Kevin and Venk, what is your forecast for infrastructure stimulus in the U.S. associated with the IIJA and the CHIPS Act? And is that contributing to your strong backlog? I know you highlighted recent wins with water and also a large multi-modal transportation win, but what is your general expectations over the next few years in terms of the IIJA?

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

Sure. Louie, thanks for the question. IIJA, I think these are industry numbers. So 60% appropriated, 30% spent. So yeah, there are -- there is work that continues to flow. Right now, I think that the hurdle is 2026. I said it before. That's probably going to continue to go past 2026, as well as discussions about a second IIJA, which we'll see where that goes within the congressional floor. But we are -- it is driving that backlog performance and our conversion rate on that as well. I will say this is that on the CHIPS Act -- I'm sorry, one more comment on IIJA. IIJA, the grant money, you can see, and that's some of the work that we're seeing, not just in transport but in water as well. CHIPS Act, those jobs that have received CHIPS Act money, we've been involved with those. Remember, those were pretty much designed and already in the field and then received the funds. This kind of next wave we're on the front end of. And so I think that CHIPS Act money will continue to flow and represent a nice tailwind for us.

Operator

And that concludes our question-and-answer session, and I will turn the conference over to Bob for closing remarks.

Bob Pragada
Chief Executive Officer at Jacobs Solutions

All right. Thank you, operator. Thank you, everyone, for joining the earnings call. Look forward to providing further updates and visiting with investors and analysts in the months to come. Exciting times ahead and look forward to staying very open and transparent with the market as we move forward. Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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    Chief Financial Officer
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