Teledyne Technologies Q2 2024 Earnings Results & Report

Teledyne Technologies EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $4.58
• Consensus EPS: $4.49
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.09
• One Year Ago EPS: $4.67
• EPS Beat Rate: 8 of last 8 quarters

Teledyne Technologies Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $1.37 billion
• Expected Revenue: $1.36 billion
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$14.42 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -3.80%

Teledyne Technologies (NYSE:TDY) (NYSE: TDY) is an industrial technology company that develops and manufactures sophisticated electronic, digital imaging, aerospace and defense products. Its offerings are used in commercial, industrial, scientific, government and defense applications where sensing, imaging, measurement and data processing are important.

The company’s businesses include digital imaging sensors and cameras, scientific instruments, environmental and marine monitoring systems, aerospace and defense electronics, communications equipment, data-acquisition systems and engineered components. Teledyne also supplies products and services for machine vision, semiconductor manufacturing, space systems and unmanned platforms.

Teledyne serves customers in North America and international markets through a portfolio of specialized operating companies. The modern Teledyne Technologies was established in 1999 through the combination of businesses associated with the former Teledyne organization and has expanded through acquisitions and internal development. Its products are sold to commercial and government customers across aerospace, defense, industrial, scientific and other technology-driven sectors.

Teledyne Technologies Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Record free cash flow: Q2 generated $301 million (H1 $576 million), enabling $852 million deployed through July on debt repayment, acquisitions, and share repurchases.
• Record backlog and strong bookings: Orders exceeded sales for the third consecutive quarter with a 1.07 book-to-bill ratio, supporting sequential Q3 growth and year-over-year sales recovery in H2.
• Digital imaging sales declined 6.8% year-over-year led by a 30% drop in industrial machine vision, although margins held at 21.6% and early signs of H2 recovery emerged.
• Instrumentation strength: Segment sales rose 1.6% driven by marine instrumentation up 16%, while operating margin expanded 134 bps to 27.2% on healthy offshore energy and defense demand.
• Guidance affirmed: Q3 GAAP EPS expected at $4.02–4.16 (non-GAAP $4.90–5.00); full-year GAAP EPS of $15.87–16.13 (non-GAAP $19.25–19.45) remains unchanged.

Presentation

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Teledyne's Q2 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will have a Q&A session, and instructions for queuing up will be provided for you at that time. Should you require operator assistance during the call, press star zero on your phone's keypad. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference call over to your host, Jason VanWees. Please go ahead, sir.

[Jason VanWees, Vice Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Good morning, everyone. This is Jason VanWees, Vice Chairman. I'd like to welcome everyone to Teledyne's Q2 2024 earnings release conference call. We released our earnings earlier this morning before the market opened. Joining me today are Teledyne's Executive Chairman, Robert Mehrabian, CEO Edwin Roks, Senior Vice President and CFO Steve Blackwood, and Melanie Cibik, EVP, General Counsel, Chief Compliance Officer, and Secretary. President and COO George Bobb would have joined us, but after getting stuck in airports late last week and the weekend, George came back with COVID and is being isolated. Anyway, after remarks by Robert, Edwin, and Steve, we will ask your questions. However, before we get started, our attorneys have reminded me to tell you that all forward-looking statements made this morning are subject to various assumptions, risks, and caveats as noted in the earnings release and our periodic SEC filings.

[Jason VanWees, Vice Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Of course, actual results may differ materially. In order to avoid potential selective disclosures, this call is simultaneously being webcast and a replay, both via webcast and dial-in, will be available for about one month. Here is Robert.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you, Jason, and good morning, and thank you for joining our earnings call. In the Q2, Teledyne achieved all-time record free cash flow, allowing us to deploy approximately $852 million through July on debt repayment, acquisitions, and stock repurchases. Non-GAAP operating margin increased from last year and increased in each of our three largest segments. Total sales and earnings increased sequentially and exceeded our most recent expectations, although year-over-year comparisons remain especially difficult in certain commercial markets such as industrial automation and electronic test and measurement. Nevertheless, strong defense-related sales at Teledyne FLIR and our own legacy space-based infrared imaging business partially offset the expected declines in industrial imaging systems. Furthermore, despite the anticipated year-over-year decline in certain instrumentation product lines, total instrumentation sales were a Q2 record due to exceptional performance of our marine instrumentation businesses.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Primarily driven by our aerospace and defense businesses, orders were greater than sales for the third consecutive quarter, and we ended the period with record backlog. Therefore, we're reasonably confident that quarterly sales will again increase sequentially, and we will return to year-over-year sales growth in the second half of 2024. Finally, even with the significant capital deployment in the Q2, our quarter-end leverage remained at 1.7, and we plan to continue stock repurchases in the balance of 2024 as well as pursue acquisitions. I will now turn the call to Edwin, who will further comment on the performance of our four segments.

[Edwin Roks, CEO at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you, Robert. This is Edwin, and I will report on the first report on the digital imaging segment, which represents 54% of Teledyne's portfolio. Like Teledyne as a whole, this segment is a mix of longer cycle businesses such as defense, space, and healthcare, combined with shorter cycle markets including industrial automation, semiconductor inspection, and infrared components and cameras for applications ranging from factory condition monitoring to maritime navigation. Q2 2024 sales declined 6.8% compared with last year. As expected, sales to industrial machine vision markets declined approximately 30% year-over-year. However, this was partially offset by increased sales from FLIR Defense and from Teledyne's space-based infrared imaging detectors. Furthermore, for the fourth consecutive quarter, healthy margins across the entire FLIR business portfolio helped us protect overall operating margin, even given the significant year-over-year reduction in sales of our typically highest contribution margin product lines.

[Edwin Roks, CEO at Teledyne Technologies]

I will now report on the other three segments, which represent the remaining 46% of Teledyne. The instrumentation segment consists of marine, environmental, and test and measurement businesses, which contributes a little over 24% of sales. For the total segments, overall Q2 sales increased 1.6% versus last year. Sales of marine instruments increased 16% in the quarter, primarily due to strong offshore energy and subsea defense sales. Sales of environmental instruments decreased 1.6%, with greater sales of drug discovery and laboratory instruments offset by lower sales of processed gas emission monitoring systems and gas and flame safety analysis. Sales of electronics test and measurement systems, which include oscilloscopes, digitizers, and protocol analysis, decreased 15.8% year-over-year on a tough quarterly comparison versus 2023.

[Edwin Roks, CEO at Teledyne Technologies]

Overall instrumentation segment operating profits increased in the Q2, with GAAP operating margins increasing 136 basis points to 26.1% and 134 basis points on a non-GAAP basis to 27.2%. In the aerospace and defense electronics segment, which represents 14% of Teledyne sales, Q2 sales increased 4.5%, driven by the growth of commercial aerospace and defense microwave products. GAAP and non-GAAP segment operating profits increased year-over-year, with segment margin increasing approximately 77 basis points. For the engineered systems segment, which contributes 8% to overall sales, Q2 revenue decreased 8.7%, and operating profit was impacted by lower sales and unfavorable program mix. I will now pass the call back to you, Robert.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you, Edwin. In conclusion, our Q2 performance was a testament to the strength of our balanced business portfolio. We also continued our proven strategy of increasing margin in those businesses which are growing, while reasonably protecting margins in businesses with more challenging markets. Our current full-year earnings outlook is identical to the last quarter, with some markets such as industrial automation and electronic test and measurement remaining difficult, although year-over-year comparisons are easier in the second half. While the outlook for our global defense, energy, and aerospace businesses remains strong and is supported by our record backlog. Finally, we continue to review acquisition opportunities, but given the strength of our balance sheet and cash flow, we also plan to continue purchasing our own stock under our current $1.25 billion authorization. I will now turn the call over to Steve.

[Stephen Blackwood, CFO at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you, Robert, and good morning. I will first discuss some additional financials for the quarter not covered by Robert, and then I will discuss our Q3 and full-year 2024 outlook. In the Q2, cash flow from operating activities was $318.7 million, compared with $190.5 million in 2023. Free cash flow, that is, cash from operating activities less capital expenditures, was $301 million in the Q2 of 2024, compared with $163.2 million in 2023. Cash flow increased in the Q2 due to stronger working capital performance. Capital expenditures were $17.7 million in the Q2 of 2024, compared with $27.3 million in 2023. Depreciation and amortization expense was $77.8 million for the Q2 of 2024, compared with $80 million in 2023. We ended the quarter with approximately $2.35 billion of net debt. That is approximately $2.8 billion of debt less cash of $443.2 million.

[Stephen Blackwood, CFO at Teledyne Technologies]

Now turning to our outlook, management currently believes the GAAP earnings per share in the Q3 of 2024 will be in the range of $4.02 to $4.16, with non-GAAP earnings in the range of $4.90 to $5.00. For the full year 2024, our GAAP earnings per share outlook is $15.87 to $16.13, and we are affirming our prior non-GAAP outlook of $19.25 to $19.45. I will now pass the call back to Robert.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

We would like to take your questions. John, if you're ready to proceed with the Q&A, please go ahead.

[Operator]

Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, for questions, please press one then zero on your phone's keypad. If you're on a speakerphone, we do ask that you switch over to the handset if it's available. It keeps the echoes down. Once again, that's one zero for questions. And if you choose to withdraw from the queue, press one zero. Again, we'll pull you out of the queue. Once again, questions, it'll be one zero. Our first question is going to come from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

[James Ricchiuti, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Hi, thank you. Good morning. I was hoping to get a little bit more color on the book-to-bill. It sounds like the positive book-to-bill was largely driven by the aerospace and defense business, but I wonder if you could just elaborate on what you saw from an order standpoint in the quarter.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you, Jim. First, you're correcting generally overall, but I think our overall book-to-bill was 1.07. Digital Imaging was close to one, like 0.98. Instrumentation was just over one at 1.04. But as you said, Aerospace and Defense was very strong at 1.41, and Engineered Systems also strong at 1.25, resulting in a combined book-to-bill of 1.07 for the complete company.

[James Ricchiuti, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Got it. That's helpful, Robert. If we think about the backlog, the longer cycle backlog, and as it converts into the second half to revenue, is that mainly defense converting? I'm wondering what other areas of the longer cycle business might drive growth in the second half and maybe related. What kind of expectations do you have for the short cycle business in the back half? Thank you.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

All right. Let me start with the first part. Defense is, obviously, as you said, very important and is the long cycle business that's doing really well. The second area is energy, and that's our marine instruments businesses. They've done exceptionally well for the year and will continue to do so. And then the third area is aerospace, both aerospace from the computers that we have on commercial aircraft to aerospace and aerospace from our imaging sensor businesses. Now, going back to the commercial shorter cycle businesses, what we're seeing is we think that digital imaging as a whole, total digital imaging, should be relatively flat in the second half of the year. That's year-over-year flat, which is good because it declined in the first half of the year.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Some of the recovery that we're seeing is early signs that come from our MEMS, Micro-Electro-Mechanical Systems, which are kind of like the canaries in the mine. We're seeing some uptick in orders there, which is encouraging, especially from the semiconductor industry. And then we also have some indications that our machine vision systems, as an example, have stabilized and book-to-bill has reached one or a little better, which is encouraging. We're hoping that these trends will continue with semiconductor coming back and inspection businesses that we have picking up and some of our high-end thermal cameras also doing better than they have. So I think overall, we're positively inclined towards the second half of the year.

[James Ricchiuti, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Needham & Company]

Got it. That's helpful, Robert. Thank you.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you, Jim.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Andrew Buscaglia with BNP. Please go ahead.

[Andrew Buscaglia, Senior Analyst for US Industrial Technology at BNP Paribas]

Hey, good morning, guys.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Good morning, Andrew.

[Andrew Buscaglia, Senior Analyst for US Industrial Technology at BNP Paribas]

So, along that line of questioning. Can you talk a little bit about test and measurement has been a tough market, a little bit weaker in Q2, but in line, I think, with what you guys were suggesting. How do you see that playing out? Do you still feel like your expectations for down 10% for the year are valid?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Yeah, about that. I say, not to be picky, but we have 9.9%, which is very close to your 10%. But that's also a tale of two cities there. In our test and measurement, as you know, Andrew, we have two businesses. One is the oscilloscope business, and the other one is our protocol business, which are basically rules for communication between devices and devices and the cloud. That business, the protocol business, is coming back faster and is doing better, a little bit better. It's the oscilloscope business, which is lagging. Having said that, we've took cost out in that business. And fortunately for us, we took the cost out very early, and the margins of instruments have remained pretty well.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

We anticipate, for example, about almost 94 basis points improvement in our total instrument portfolio, even with part of T&M being weak, partially because our marine is very strong and our environmental businesses are doing okay. So I don't know whether that answers your question fully or not.

[Andrew Buscaglia, Senior Analyst for US Industrial Technology at BNP Paribas]

Yeah. No, that's helpful. And maybe sticking with instrumentation, yeah, marine has been really strong. Presumably, you have good visibility there. Can you parse out what's driving that exactly and the confidence that that continues into the second half? How should we think about that for the full year?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Two areas. First is the offshore oil production and discovery. As you know, we have instruments that are deployed in streamers to look down at acoustic signals that bounce from the ocean floor and determine whether there's oil and gas there. That's a strong business and continues to be. The other part is, of course, our connector businesses. They are doing really well. Actually, we're almost at capacity in that business. And then the second part of the marine business is the defense part of the business. As you know, we have defense unmanned vehicles, underwater vehicles. We also provide connectors for submarines. That business is doing really well, and our underwater vehicle businesses are doing really well. So it's a combination of offshore oil production and discovery and defense and security.

[Andrew Buscaglia, Senior Analyst for US Industrial Technology at BNP Paribas]

Okay. Thank you.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

For sure.

[Operator]

Next is Connor Walters with Jefferies. Go ahead, please.

[Connor Walters, Equity Associate at Jefferies]

Hi guys. Thanks so much for taking my questions. Just to start off, any updates to the free cash flow guidance for the year? Despite a somewhat constrained top line in the first half, free cash flow is tracking well ahead of your $1 billion target. What do you expect for the year, and what are some of the drivers just given such a strong start in the first half?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

That's a good question, Connor. I don't want to be effusive about that because in the first two quarters, we've generated $576 million of free cash flow. I think in the second half, we have some bond payments coming due. We have some taxes coming due. So I think it's going to be less. We are hoping that our free cash flow would be above $900 million. That's where we're sitting right now with the front end being heavily loaded. But having said that, we're confident enough in our cash position to continue our purchases of our own stock.

[Connor Walters, Equity Associate at Jefferies]

Okay. Got it. That's very clear. Maybe just jumping over into defense a little bit more. We've seen a lot of technology announcements for Teledyne, some new wins in areas such as loitering munitions. Just given this, how are you thinking about defense going forward and any divergence within the exposure in A&D electronics and engineered versus where you are in digital imaging?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

No, I think let's just look at the major programs, the announcements that keep coming out. There's a whole slew of them. The most important one, I would say that's new, is our loitering unmanned aerial vehicle, which now is weaponized, what we call Rogue 1. And we already have our first order for over 100 systems for that. And it competes very well against the competition, both in terms of precision, but also with the fact that you can send these vehicles to target. And if you decide to bring them back, you can do that easily. That's a distinguishing feature. And of course, the other part is the accuracy. The next example, as you may know, is, again, staying with vehicles, our very small mini drones.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

We saw the whole bunch of them over the years, what we call Black Hornet 3s, which are about 6 inches in size. Black Hornet 4 was introduced this year, and we got the first production order for almost 1,000 systems recently. We expect that that program will continue and be a very strong contributor to our defense businesses. And these orders are from the U.S. government right now. Then we have, as I mentioned, we have the inserts for the Virginia or connectors for the Virginia- and Columbia-class submarines. Those businesses have really good backlogs and are doing well. We also have drones that come out of our Canadian operations, the R70 and R80. We have orders for those. And we also have counter-UAV systems that are being deployed in Europe. And finally, this just are examples.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

We have a very lightweight, uncooled target recognition system, what we call the FWS, Family of Weapon Sights. We have the development order for it, and we have the first production order for it. Those two combined over $70 million and expect about $500 million in IDIQ contracts. Those are just examples. I think our defense businesses, especially FLIR Defense, have picked up the pace very well, and we're very excited about that.

[Connor Walters, Equity Associate at Jefferies]

Great. That's super helpful. I'll leave it there.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Next question is from Joe Giordano with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

[Joseph Giordano, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at TD Cowen]

Hey, good morning. Robert, you said you're seeing some stability in the machine vision business, which is good to hear. I think you mentioned it was down 30% year-on-year. What was that compared to 2Q, and what's the expectation for 3Q and 4Q? What was that versus 1Q, and what's the expectation in 3Q, 4Q versus the Q2?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Well, I think basically they were down 30 in Q1 and Q2, as Edwin indicated. I think that's now going to be about 10 and 10 in Q3 and Q4. So for the year, it would be about 20. So it's going to improve. Partially, it's improving. And partially is because comps are getting easier, to be frank and very straightforward about it. That market began softening last year in Q3. So the comps are going to get easier. But also, we're seeing, as I indicated before, we're seeing some uptick in certain areas. And as you know, the semiconductor industry is coming back and coming back strong. And our products are used in the inspection systems all over the world.

[Joseph Giordano, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at TD Cowen]

Just to be clear, are the dollars for that business in 2Q higher than 1Q? Will they be higher in the second half, dollars versus one-half dollars?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

I think our expectations right now are that they'll be relatively flat, maybe a little better in the second half. I don't want to be certain. In Q4 we expect it to be stronger. But right now, we have to be very careful not to drink our own bathwater because while things are looking well, good, we have both the vision systems, which are visual systems, as well as our infrared systems. So we're looking at the combo there. And I think flat would be a good word with Q4 picking up.

[Joseph Giordano, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at TD Cowen]

Okay. We're also hearing some people talk about Boeing finally telling suppliers to cool off a little bit. I know that their production has gone down, but they've been still receiving components from suppliers at the same pace. Are you seeing any of that where they're pushing back a little bit?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

We're not seeing that as much. There's some rotation going on there in our OEM products. But we're not only supplying OEMs. The aftermarket business there is very important to us. And we're doing okay there. I think overall, our aerospace business is pretty healthy.

[Joseph Giordano, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at TD Cowen]

Good. I'll get back in queue. Thanks, guys.

[Operator]

Next question is from Guy Hardwick with Freedom Capital Markets. Go ahead, please.

[Guy Hardwick, Managing Director at Freedom Capital Markets]

Hi, yeah. Good morning.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Good morning, Guy.

[Guy Hardwick, Managing Director at Freedom Capital Markets]

Going back to the free cash flow issue, what's your sense for when you look back on this year where you would have deployed the free cash flow in terms of acquisition, share repurchases, and debt repayments?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Well, Guy, we think because our free cash flow was so strong in the first two quarters, and you have to also keep in mind our liabilities, which is our debt. Our debt is set up pretty well. It's fixed. It's only we will have to pay like $150 million in October timeframe. Other than that, our payments start in 2026. And if you roll everything that we owe over the years, our interest payments are about 2.35%. Now, for the year, we think that we will continue buying our stock. Maybe it depends on the stock price, right? We bought back quite a bit in the first half of the year. We expect to continue to do that. But we're also looking at acquisitions at the same time. So we're balancing the two as we go forward.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Right now, because of our very serious efforts in 80/20 and ability to generate cash, we think that we're in a really good situation. We just renewed our line of credit for another 5 years. We haven't touched it. We have about $1.2 billion untouched. So with no debt payments, big ones coming due, our interest rates being 2.35% over the many years, we feel good that we can do whatever we want. Right now, focused on buying back stock and looking at acquisitions as well.

[Guy Hardwick, Managing Director at Freedom Capital Markets]

Okay. Thank you. And just so as a follow-up, would you mind updating us on your margin expectations by segment, or has nothing changed since the last quarter?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

No, I can do it if you wish. I can do it for the full year. We think that for the full year in instruments, as an example, it should be up about 90 to 100 basis points, which is pretty healthy for us. It'll go from what was last year at 26.6 to 27.5+. In digital imaging, we think that margins for the year may go down a little bit, even though I mentioned the headwind that we have there. But if you look at the whole portfolio, while margins went down in our DALSA e2v businesses, they went up significantly in our FLIR businesses. So we think they might go down modestly, maybe 30 basis points for the year, maybe 20. Aerospace and defense, I think we're doing really well, maybe over 100 basis points.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Engineered systems, which is our smallest segment, I think margins are going to be going down primarily because of the first half. Overall, we think the segment margins should be about 14 to 15 basis points up from last year. Considering all the headwinds that we have, that's pretty good.

[Guy Hardwick, Managing Director at Freedom Capital Markets]

Okay. Thank you.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Next question is from Rob Jamieson with Vertical Research Partners. Go ahead, please.

[Jordan Lamm, Analyst at Bank of America]

Hi. Thanks, guys. Just real quick, one clarification just with digital imaging. Should we in the next two quarters, 3Q, 4Q, is there much differential between the quarters on margin to kind of get to that down 20 to 30 basis points?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Well, let me see if I can answer that well. I think in the first half, if you look at Q1, the margins were about 21.8% overall in digital imaging. You look at Q2, they dropped about 20 basis points to 21.6%. We think in Q3, it'll pick up to over 22%, 22.2% maybe, and then go as high as 23% in Q4. So we should end the year at 22.2%, even with a weak first half. So I think margins are going to keep improving, both because of the cost actions that Edwin and his people have taken, but also because some of the markets are coming back.

[Jordan Lamm, Analyst at Bank of America]

Perfect. That's helpful. I was actually going to ask about that next. Look, I know this is a pretty small part of your business, but I just wanted to ask a little bit more on the oscilloscope within instrumentation and test and measurement. Just one of your competitors this morning cutting their outlook on delayed R&D spend and government and China-related spend. Just curious if there's anything in the end markets that you're seeing within test and measurement on the oscilloscope side that's maybe weaker or starting to improve more, or is it just all kind of a little bit soft and lagging the protocols business? Any additional color there would be great.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Yeah. I think you've explained it very well. I think people are hesitant to spend discretionary CapEx. So the high-end oscilloscope where you make really good money is slowed down. We expect the whole business to be down about 10% year-over-year. But having said that, as with many other years, we were probably the first one out of the box early in the year in April to warn. And subsequently, you see everybody else, of course, having to do the same. The advantage that we had in doing that was that in knowing that the market was going to soften, we took cost out late in Q4 and early in Q1. And as a consequence, the margins in that business have been exceptionally healthy.

[Jordan Lamm, Analyst at Bank of America]

Yep. Absolutely. No, thank you for that. I appreciate you all taking my questions.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Oh, of course. Thank you.

[Operator]

We have one more in queue. Once again, as a reminder, if you have additional questions, press 1 and then 0 on your phone's keypad. We're going now to Jordan Lamm from Bank of America. Go ahead, please.

[Jordan Lamm, Analyst at Bank of America]

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. How should we think about if the US puts more restrictions onto ASML and Tokyo Electron? What would that impact be for the digital imaging segment?

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

I don't see that impacting us much. We supply product to their customers. I don't want to mention the name, but this is a large customer. This is a U.S. customer. They use us as ASML equipment, which uses a critical part that we make in our MEMS factories. We don't expect to see a change in that because we're, frankly, supplying the customers of ASML. It's not a huge business, maybe $20 million to 25 million business, but very profitable.

[Jordan Lamm, Analyst at Bank of America]

Got it. Thank you.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

For sure.

[Operator]

At this time, we have no additional callers in queue.

[Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thank you very much, John. I'll now ask Jason to conclude the conference call.

[Jason VanWees, Vice Chairman at Teledyne Technologies]

Thanks, Robert. Thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning. If you have follow-up questions, of course, feel free to email me or call me at the number on the earnings release. All earnings releases are available on our website as is this webcast. John, if you could conclude the call and give the replay information, it'd be much appreciated. Thank you.

[Operator]

Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, a recorded replay of this conference call will be available from today at 10:00 A.M. Pacific through August 24th of this year, 2024, at midnight. To access the replay from domestic areas, call 866-207-1041. Enter the access code 562-3764. International callers, use 402-970-0847. And the same access code, 562-3764. Once again, replay available from 10:00 A.M. Pacific today through August 24th. Domestic callers, use 866-207-1041. International callers, use 402-970-0847. And the access code for either is 562-3764. That does conclude your conference call for today. We do thank you for your participation and for using AT&T Event Conferencing. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Edwin Roks, CEO
• Jason VanWees, Vice Chairman
• Robert Mehrabian, Executive Chairman
• Stephen Blackwood, CFO

Analysts

• Andrew Buscaglia, Senior Analyst for US Industrial Technology at BNP Paribas
• Connor Walters, Equity Associate at Jefferies
• Guy Hardwick, Managing Director at Freedom Capital Markets
• James Ricchiuti, Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Needham & Company
• Jordan Lamm, Analyst at Bank of America
• Joseph Giordano, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at TD Cowen