Copart Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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[Operator]

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Copart, Inc. Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2024 Earnings Call. Just a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. Before turning the call over to management, I will share Copart's safe harbor statement.

The company's comments today include forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws, including management's current views with respect to trends, opportunities and uncertainties in the company's markets. These forward-looking statements involve substantial risks and uncertainties. For more detail on the risks associated with the company's business, we refer you to the section titled Risk Factors in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended July 31, 2023, and each of the company's subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. Any forward-looking statements are made as of today, and the company has no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements.

I will now turn the call over to the company's CEO, Jeff Liaw.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Thank you, Owen, and good evening. We're pleased to report our results for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024 and the conclusion of another successful fiscal year for our customers and Copart. I'll begin with a few comments on our business before handing the call to Leah to review our financial results in greater detail, and then she and I will take your questions.

First, to the insurance industry. We continue to grow our business with insurance sellers up 6% year-over-year a reflection of our compelling and growing service offerings and industry-leading auction liquidity. The recent decline in used vehicle values, in particular, has driven total loss frequency upwards back in line with pre-pandemic historical norms. During our fourth fiscal quarter 2024, we observed an 8.6% year-over-year decline in the Manheim used vehicle Value Index. As Leah will more fully described later in her comments, our insurance company selling prices significantly outpaced those of the broader used vehicle market.

All indications are that the long-term trends in the repair industry towards increasing vehicle complexity as measured, for example, by the average number of parts to repair a vehicle as well as rising labor rates continue to tip the scales in favor of totaling vehicles rather than repairing them. In fact, that's 21.4% for the second calendar quarter of 2024, total loss frequency is some 200 basis points higher than for the same three-month period a year ago. This, of course, is itself a blended average. Some of our customers, total vehicles at rates significantly higher still.

We continue to observe an ever-increasing economic incentive for insurance carriers to total vehicles rather than repair them, a long-term trend we firmly believe continue. Today, we offer a range of sophisticated tools to our insurance clients to assist them with optimizing these decisions. Another theme I'd like to highlight is the deepening of our relationships with our insurance company clients as reflected recently in the ongoing expansion of our title Express service offering. Historically, auction houses like ours have obtained salvage certificates from the states in which we do business after the insurance companies have first obtained the original title either directly from policyholders if they own their cars outright or from lenders if the vehicles have leans outstanding. Insurance companies have always reasoned that for a pivotal touch point with their own customers, typically after a claims event, it would be best to keep this function in-house.

Today, however, our offer of an integrated one-stop solution for title procurement, which we call Title Express, has achieved substantial traction in the industry. On behalf of our carrier clients, we obtained original titles from policyholders and from lenders. Each state has its specific nuances in what it requires, as documentation, signatures, secured forms, powers of attorney and so forth. And each lender too has its own requirements for the provision of payoff balances and per diems and the releasing of diems and titles. The lender universe, in particular, is an especially fragmented constituency between our online lender portal AI-powered outbound calling systems and access to other intermediaries, we believe we offer a substantially more efficient title procurement process than our insurance customers can otherwise achieve.

Today, we're pleased to note that we are approaching a run rate of one million titles obtained per year on behalf of our insurance clients, a testament to their trust in us to provide excellent service to them and importantly, to their own customers as well. One additional note on the insurance industry regarding the storm season of 2024. As anticipated by many, the 2024 storm season is off to an active start relative to other seasons in recent years. Hurricane Beryl, the earliest Cat-5 Atlanta hurricane on record caused widespread damage across Texas, Louisiana and neighboring states, though the storm's path fortuitously bypassed to major population centers. Other named storms of this season, including Hurricanes Debbie and Ernesto, have required significant mobilization of resources on our part, which we are happy to undertake on behalf of our insurance clients.

I'll turn our attention to our noninsurance sellers as well. We've continued to grow our volume with them, leveraging our core capabilities in having physical storage capacity via our real estate portfolio, a strong network of logistics solutions and a global liquid fire base. We continue to grow our Blue Car business, which serves our bank and finance fleet and rental segment partners. In the fourth quarter, we observed year-over-year volume growth of 20.4% in compared to a year ago. Likewise, our dealer sales volume, the combination of our Copart Dealer Services business and NPA, our Powersports auction platform, increased volumes sold by 9.5% year-over-year as well. Excluding our low-value and wholesale units, customary measure we provide, our U.S. noninsurance automotive volume increased 12.6% year-over-year.

We view our growth among these noninsurance sellers as attractive not only for the economic benefit that these incremental units provide to our business, but also as a critical factor in and extending the liquidity advantage of our auctions. We have seen abundant examples of first-time buyers attending Copart auctions in pursuit of a vehicle we sell on behalf of a rental car company or a financial institution only to then begin purchasing vehicles from insurance companies thereafter. As total loss frequency rises and insurance companies elect to total evermore drivable vehicles, the power of the crossover buyer will only grow.

We're committed to investing our time and our resources to cultivate this aspect of our business. This in a nutshell of the flywheel effect, you've heard us talk about at length in the past.

Finally, as an additional note, our partner in the equipment Arena Purple Wave led by Aaron and Susan McKee and their team based in Manhattan, Kansas drove 17% year-over-year growth for the full year -- for the full fiscal year, outpacing industry growth in the equipment auction markets they serve. We're excited about what the future holds for our partnership with them.

With that, I'll turn it over to Leah for her comments on the financials.

[Leah Stearns, Chief Financial Officer at Copart]

Thanks, Jeff. I'll begin with our fourth quarter and fiscal year '24 sales trends. During the quarter, our global unit sales and inventory increased 8% and about 7%, respectively, from the year ago period. For fiscal year '24, Global unit sales increased nearly 10%. This growth was a function of an increase in total loss frequency and share gains.

Focusing on our U.S. business, unit growth was over 6%, which reflected fee unit growth of over 6% and purchase unit growth of over 13%. For fiscal year '24, unit growth was nearly 8% with fee units growing over 7% and purchase unit growth of almost 14%. Consignment or fee units continue to constitute the vast majority of our U.S. unit volumes. Our U.S. unit volume increased -- our U.S. insurance unit volume increased 6% year-over-year and about 7% for fiscal year '24. As Jeff mentioned, our noninsurance unit volume growth has continued to outpace that of our insurance business. This volume growth substantially came from fleet rental and finance units which increased over 20% in Q4 and nearly 28% for the year and dealer units, which increased nearly 10% for the quarter and over 15% for the fiscal year '24. Inventory levels in the U.S. increased over 6% and nearly 9% when excluding low-value and cat units.

Turning to our international business. We saw unit growth of almost 17% in the quarter and 21% for fiscal year '24 with fee units increasing over 17% in Q4 and 22% for the year. Purchased units increased by nearly 13% for the quarter and almost 16% for the fiscal year. Our international business ended the quarter with inventory levels over 9% ahead of the prior year. Global ASPs declined by approximately 5% for the quarter relative to a year ago period and about 3% for the full year. Our U.S. ASPs continue to show resilience and are significantly outperforming the used vehicle market more broadly. While the Manheim used vehicle price index declined by nearly 9% from the year ago quarter and almost 2% sequentially. Our U.S. insurance ASPs declined less than 4% from a year ago for the quarter and increased over 2% sequentially.

Turning to our financial results. Global revenue in the quarter increased to nearly $1.1 billion, representing growth of over $71 million or about 7%. For the year, global revenue increased to more than $4.2 billion, representing growth of over $367 million or nearly 10%. Global service revenue increased nearly $59 million or over 7% for the fourth quarter and almost $363 million or over 11% for the fiscal year, primarily due to increased volumes. Our U.S. service revenue grew by over 6% for the quarter and 10% for the year, and international service revenue grew by nearly 14% for the fourth quarter and 22% for the year.

Global purchased vehicle sales for the fourth quarter increased over $12 million or 8% and over $4 million or about 1% for the fiscal year. Global purchased vehicle gross profit decreased by about 1% in the fourth quarter and for the fiscal year. In the U.S., the purchased vehicle revenue was up over $10 million or 12%, while purchased vehicle gross profit increased less than $1 million or about 11% in the quarter. And for the fiscal year, purchased vehicle revenue decreased about $9 million or almost 3% and purchased vehicle gross profit increased about $4 million or over 18%.

Internationally, purchased vehicle revenue increased by over $2 million or about 3%, and gross profit decreased by almost $1 million or about 11% in the fourth quarter -- and for the full year, purchased vehicle revenue increased almost $14 million or over 4% and purchased vehicle gross profit decreased about $4 million or over 12%. Global yard operations cost, excluding stock-based compensation and depreciation expense increased about $59 million or about 17% from the prior year period. This growth reflects the increase in unit volume as well as approximately $16 million of nonrecurring expenses, primarily related to operating taxes.

In addition, as Jeff noted, given the active and early start to the storm season in 2024, our cat storm response teams incurred seasonally higher costs preparing and positioning resources for several storms which did not produce significant unit volumes. Given the unpredictable nature of catastrophic events during storm season, we absorbed these costs as part of our normal course of serving our customers and their policyholders.

During the quarter, global gross profit was over $453 million, a decrease of $4 million or about 1% and our gross margin percentage decreased by approximately 340 basis points to 42.4% in the fourth quarter. For the fiscal year, global gross profit was over $1.9 billion, an increase of over $170 million or about 10% and gross margin percentage was 45%, an increase of about 10 basis points. In the U.S., our gross profit margin decreased to 46.5% for the quarter and increased to 49.4% for the year. The key drivers of margin compression during the quarter included the impact of nearly $12 million of out-of-period expenses as well as increased salary and benefits expense associated with our yard operations personnel. Our international gross profit margin increased to 24.2% in the quarter and 25.5% for the year.

Turning to general and administrative expenses, excluding stock-based compensation and depreciation expense, spend in the quarter was about $81 million, reflecting an increase of $26 million over the prior year and about $5 million on a sequential basis. For the year, spend was about $288 million, an increase of about $88 million. As we highlighted last quarter, our year-over-year G&A increase continues to reflect our investments in organic product development, our platform functions, the financial consolidation of Purple Wave into our results as well as an increase in third-party project-related costs associated with system implementations.

Across our organization, and as we are investing in expanding our whole card heavy equipment sales functions, our teams are simultaneously focused on deploying emerging technologies to enhance our business processes and systems in pursuit of scalability and operating leverage over the long term. GAAP operating income for the quarter decreased by 8% to over $359 million. And for the fiscal year, GAAP operating income decreased -- or sorry, GAAP operating income increased by over $85 million or nearly 6%.

Finally, fourth quarter GAAP net income decreased by over 7% to over $322 million or $0.33 per diluted common share. For the fiscal year, GAAP net income increased by over 10% to over $1.4 billion. During the quarter, we benefited from over $14 million of incremental interest income as we have actively invested our cash into treasury securities. And for the quarter, our tax rate was 21.1%. And for the fiscal year, it was 20.5%.

Turning to our capital structure. As of the end of July, we had over $4.6 billion of liquidity, which is compromised of nearly $3.4 billion in cash and investments and held to maturity securities and our capacity under our revolving credit facility of over $1.2 billion. We believe that our conservative capitalization is a distinct competitive advantage in our industry, enabling us to operate our business with a horizon that prioritizes ours and our clients' long-term success.

For the year, we generated free cash flow of $962 million, reflecting our operating cash flow generation of $1.473 billion and capital investments of about $511 million. Our investment focus for 2024 remains steadfast with nearly all of our capital being deployed into assets which drives best-in-class outcomes for our customers, including more than 1,100 acres of land acquired and 370 transportation assets as well as enhanced physical infrastructure.

With a new year upon us, I wanted to reiterate that our multi-decade investment horizon and long-standing approach to capital allocation is unwavering. We continue to prioritize investments that grow and diversify our existing marketplace businesses including differentiated products and service capabilities. This includes our approach to yard infrastructure investments, which are critical to ensuring that we are positioned to serve our customers' needs for the long term. We remain focused and disciplined on deploying capital through M&A and strategic partnerships with valuation and/or strategic fit being a major hurdle that opportunistic transactions typically fail to clear. This consistent approach has positioned us to deliver outstanding business outcomes while generating long-term value creation for our shareholders.

And with that, Jeff and I would be happy to take some questions.

Questions and Answers

[Operator]

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Bob Labick with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

[Bob Labick, Analyst at CJS Securities]

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Hey, Bob.

[Bob Labick, Analyst at CJS Securities]

Hey. So I wanted to start with the business financial model with all the moving parts and the various growth rates, all growing of your different I don't know, subcategories and stuff. So as you build out whole car, particularly Dealer and Blue Car, I want to maybe discuss the impact on the financial model. And from our sheet, we can see that there's less customer or seller concentration and maybe you get higher fees at some point on those, but there's also a lot more upfront investment. There's hiring in sales and infrastructure to get that ready. So is that the correct way to think about it? You're investing up front now? And then maybe over time, the margins on those businesses will mature and grow? Or how should we think about that? And where are we in the process of investing for those growth initiatives?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Yeah, I think that's a fair question, Bob. I'd say long term, the unit economics of those vehicles should be at parity or better than the traditional cars Copart sold. The average selling prices tend to be higher as well. And so I think that's the long-term answer. Near term, of course, there is some upfront investments to support the growth there, some more infrastructure-like spending to build the platform in the first place. So I think that question is fair. That observation is fair.

[Bob Labick, Analyst at CJS Securities]

Okay. Super. And then just as it relates to Purple Wave, obviously, nice growth for the year for them and you. Where are you in terms of kind of building out nationally? How should we think about that timeline for them?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

I think they would describe themselves as still being in the transitional stage. They started as a more regional company focused in particular in the Central Time Zone and are expanding their footprint from their as you know, it is primarily a virtual business or historically was exclusively the virtual business. So they've built an incredible pure auction platform in their arena and have built the Purple Wave brand to become a meaningful presence in that space. So they are expanding geographically as we speak.

[Bob Labick, Analyst at CJS Securities]

Okay. Great. And last one for me on Purple Wave, too. If we are indeed moving into a lower interest rate environment, like I think everyone believes just given that Purple Wave is obviously new to you and then to us, how does lower rates impact the Purple Wave business model as we look out the next one, three, five years?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Probably the candid answer is we don't know. This is just conjecture, but I think lower interest rates generally probably get more business activity period, right, the more purchase of new equipment, perhaps the trading in old equipment. So I think lower interest rates will just lead to more -- just higher velocity activity period in the various spaces they serve. But as you know well, Bob, even to characterize their customers, their sellers as a single monolithic notion is not quite accurate. There's construction and agriculture and commercial construction versus residential. There's many, many nuances to all of the above. But in general, I think a low interest rates as being a catalyst for activity and activity generally speaking, being a good thing for intermediaries like Purple Save.

[Bob Labick, Analyst at CJS Securities]

Super. All right. Thanks so much.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Thanks, Bob.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Healy with North Coast Research. Please proceed with your question.

[John Healy, Analyst at Northcoast Research]

Thank you. Jeff and Leah, I just wanted to ask a little bit about the kind of top of the business on the accident side. Kind of a variety of data points year-to-date, just kind of how miles driven is trending, how repairable claims are trending. And you guys talked, I believe, the 6% volume growth on the insurance business. And I believe you said that total loss rates are up about 200 basis points. Just crude map, I mean, I would think that implies a level of accident frequency declines.

And I was curious if you agree with that, if that is a new trend, do you think we're at the beginning of seeing a different rhythm to how accidents play out and impact the model? Would just love to get your thoughts just on the frequency side, specifically, and I know people sometimes use repairable claims, but I think frequency is the area that I think a lot of investors would like to get more on? Thanks.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Got it [Phonetic]. And a good question and a very nuanced one. What I'd offer first is, I think if you're simply doing the rhythm to keep saying it's 200 basis points divided by starting point of 20%, that's 10% growth. I think for better for work, those measures just aren't precise enough. You'll see the third parties to report them well even sometimes adjust those numbers. So they move around a fair bit, and they don't match perfectly with the total loss volumes either if you just went back and did this exercise for 10 years. As to your observation about accident frequency perhaps declining I think I would characterize that as having broadly been true for the past 50 years period, accident frequency has always declined. Certainly, if you adjust for miles driven a reflection of an ever safer car park.

So you can imagine the big waves of innovation in the automotive space in the mid-1970s. You saw antilock brakes arrived for the first time, which reduced crashes in particular time and with high precipitation conditions, then the arrival of traction control and so forth in the years thereafter nowadays autonomous braking, lane departure warning sensors are also reducing accident frequency. That's a long-standing trend. It has always been worked on the other side by total loss frequency. So base down a little bit total loss frequency has almost always outpace that over any reasonable historical period.

The one anomaly to that, if I can remember because I remember studying this a couple of years ago when we were talking about this topic then was, I want to say, from memory, in 2013, '14, there was a two-, three-, four-year period in which accident frequency per miles driven actually increased. And that, I think, was the adoption of smartphones and social media while folks are driving. God forbid, but I think it was a catalyst then that has now been absorbed into the numbers. So I think we now see gradually declining accident frequency, but not a precipitous change, not a disruptive change of any kind, we would know.

[John Healy, Analyst at Northcoast Research]

Got it. Makes sense. And then I would just want to hear more about the express titling product. You guys went into great detail on that. So I would just try to make sure I understand kind of what the takeaway is there. My observation was that is something that insurance companies can alleviate internal functions, costs, headcount you take that responsibility on. Are we interpreting it the right way is that this is Copart taking service levels to a higher degree and it's something that allows you to drive the relationship further beyond just what the seller fee is and the turn time? Is that the right way to think about it?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

I think you summarized it well. It's us forward integrating, so to speak, into functions historically led by the insurance industry. And they had kept it because the touch points with their own policyholders, their own customers was viewed as a critical matter. But they trust us enough to handle that for them. They know that with the scale of the millions of vehicles we sell and the millions of titles we're processing that we assure that we have the more efficient business processes and software and bespoke software for this very narrow business case than any of them could have individually.

[John Healy, Analyst at Northcoast Research]

Got it. Thank you.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Thanks, John.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Kennison with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

[Craig Kennison, Analyst at Robert W. Baird]

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. John had some really good ones there. And I wanted to follow up on Title Express. Are you saying, Jeff, that will this actually save time in terms of the time it takes to cycle through a full sale and that it will save money for the insurance companies in the form of time?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Correct. Yes. Time as well as fully burdened cost for they are performing the function themselves. Imagine that Copart has a specialized department and we do, led by a very capable, very long-standing leader here at Copart. And we do this -- in that group of folks does this full time for a living and knows it cold. It's just easier to do that at the scale that we just talked about, and it is for any individual insurance carriers, certainly the smaller ones, but also increasingly larger as well then for them to settle department to be dysfunction on their own.

If you ask any -- if you ask top 20 customers of Copart, what do you do best as an insurance company, you'll get answers ranging from underwriting to management to consumer advertising and marketing or what have you. Those are more frankly, investing the float to. Those are the core functions of an insurance company. I think you can be pretty far down the list with before they said total procurement is our bread and butter, but that's where we distinguish ourselves. I think you hear that very rarely.

[Craig Kennison, Analyst at Robert W. Baird]

So I'm curious, you've had that long enough to generate a million title transfers this year. To what extent is this a driver to your market share gains overall? Does this make the front page of your pitch book?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

It is certainly in the pitch book, it is perceived. And so it has been -- again, there are good reasons for insurance companies to want to keep this function in-house. I think the catalyst for change in recent years started with COVID-19 in part when insurance companies realized at hiring and retaining folks and managing them remotely and deploying laptops remote call centers, etc., was increasingly complex, increasingly problematic and not worth the squeeze. So they trusted us, they'll they trial the product with us over and over again. I think it's a reflection of their trust in us in that regard.

[Craig Kennison, Analyst at Robert W. Baird]

Great, thanks. And Leah, if I could ask, you mentioned the $12 million out-of-period expense. Can you shed more light on that expense and which period did it normally occur?

[Leah Stearns, Chief Financial Officer at Copart]

Sure. In total, for yard ops, we had $16 million in the fourth quarter of nonrecurring expense of that was related to our U.S. segment, a little over $4 million was related to our International segment. And I would consider it to be really nonrecurring a portion of it was related in the U.S. to property taxes that are related to prior periods and also grossing up our accruals to levels we expect for here to go forward. And then some of the other related items are related to out-of-period invoicing for some of our vendors that we received in the fourth quarter.

[Craig Kennison, Analyst at Robert W. Baird]

Okay. And just one on Purple Wave. I'm curious, how many territory managers did you add if that's the right metric? I'm trying to get a feel for whether that 17% is driven by external matters or really driven by your expansion plans?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

I'd say both our drivers is both expansion territory, but also like territory growth in territory growth, so to speak. And remember, this is a virtual business. Of course, they do have the team and the sales force, so to speak, to reach out to potential sellers of the business customers support agents and the like. But it's versatile so it's not quite like opening a new Starbucks on the street corner. It's more adding the institutional sales force to go to pursue the clients in the first place.

[Craig Kennison, Analyst at Robert W. Baird]

Got it. Hey, thank you.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Thanks, Craig.

[Operator]

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Chris Bottiglieri with BNP Paribas. Please proceed with your question.

[Christopher Bottiglieri, Analyst at BNP Paribas]

Hey guys. Christ Bottiglieri, I'll fix that one. Question for you. I want ask the volume question a little bit differently. There's been press reports that would suggest that auto and home insurance rates skyrocket consumers are canceling auto insurance reducing coverage. Just curious if we hear this from insurers, how does the lower insurance rate impact your business?

In past cycles, obviously, there's different drivers now with climate change affecting all of that, that hopefully normalizes. But are cash cycles where you've seen people cut auto insurance and dropping penetration? And can you just like tell us what's happened historically you've seen this before? Is this is even true, for that matter?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Got it. Fair question. And I think if history is any guide, I would say it is modestly negative in the sense that if folks either are uninsured altogether or perhaps they have liability only -- liability-only coverage to save money and they have -- they abandoned collision and comprehensive then there may be claims that previously their insurance carrier would have handled and therefore, would have totaled the cart Copart that may leave them on the margin to trying to fix it trying to pass it together or trying to drive a car that otherwise would have been total. I think if the financial crisis in '09, this is from memory or from research, frankly, but the downturn in '09 and since has shown very modest effect of this almost in the measurable one, but I think directionally speaking, that's what would happen.

[Christopher Bottiglieri, Analyst at BNP Paribas]

Yes. Okay. And then I think we gave a ton of metrics here, so I might have batches, but it sounded like U.S. was up 6%. U.S. insurance is up 6%, but then dealer fleet finance 20 sorry, fleet rental finance of 20 dealer plus 10. So it seems like there's an upset somewhere. Is that just low-value charity cars and then is there a competitive being a rationale there that's causing a drag in that segment? Or is it something more systemic?

[Leah Stearns, Chief Financial Officer at Copart]

No, it's just that low value bucket continues to shrink.

[Christopher Bottiglieri, Analyst at BNP Paribas]

What's causing that to shrink? Is that competition? Or is it just something that the market is changing?

[Leah Stearns, Chief Financial Officer at Copart]

It's really just our focus in terms of where we're allocating our efforts.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Yeah, I think it's a combination of the four seasons [Phonetic]. It's competitive tension as well as institutional prioritization, right, that always have scarce resources, and that is -- those are the units that we are most willing to work out.

[Christopher Bottiglieri, Analyst at BNP Paribas]

Excellent. Thank you.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Thanks, Chris.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bret Jordan with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

[Bret Jordan, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Hey good afternoon, guys. On the 6% insurance units, I think you guys were still taking share in the fourth quarter from a peer in the space. Could you sort of carve out what was organic growth versus share gain year-over-year in that quarter?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Bret, we don't have that off the top of our head, but it is -- you're right, it is both organic growth as well as share capture.

[Bret Jordan, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Okay. And then, I guess, sort of a similar question on a year-over-year cap basis, obviously, you spent money prepping for storms that didn't result in a lot of cars. Do you have a year-over-year number on how many cars came from catastrophic events in the fourth quarter versus the prior year?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Very modest. So in the grand scheme of Copart relatively speaking, a rounding error. That said, the mobilization weren't trivial, right? So this year, multiple storms, multiple name storms, we do mobilize trucks and people and such in anticipation of those storms. We don't have the luxury of waiting to see if it's real. We won't mobilize in advance because that's our customers. So we did have multiple mobilization this year with trivial volume to show for it.

[Bret Jordan, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Okay. And then, I guess, final question. On the yard operation expense growth, is part of that the investment you've been making in recent years in expanding the real estate portfolio? Do you have to staff yards that aren't at full capacity yet, or is that a deleveraging around some of this capital investment? Or is it really just sort of a spike in labor and some of these nonrecurring costs? Is there something more structural as you've expanded so much acreage recently that builds in a higher yard operating expense?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

One very narrow example, Bret, is the increased footprint that also has brought higher property tax bills, both literally with more acreage as well as rising property values around the country. So that's definitely in the P&L as well. As for the deleveraging, I think that largely has smoothed out over time, but we don't have a huge bolus of yards opening at one moment in time. So as those -- as we encountered those facilities that have new management, new staff which we don't yet have the volume to fully absorb, but we also have volume coming in the yards that are more mature, more fully matured for which we get the operating leverage. So that -- it's not a distortion. It's a small one.

[Bret Jordan, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Great, thank you.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Thanks, Bret.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Jash Patwa with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

[Jash Patwa, Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Hi, good evening and thanks for taking my question. Just one on the noninsurance business. If you could give us an update on the business mix in terms of the proportion of revenue. And any color around the demographics of the noninsurance customers. I believe you have been investing towards building out a dedicated buyer base on the whole car side for a few quarters now. And it would be great if you could share some more mining results on this front. And I have a follow-up.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Great. So as for those noninsurance sellers, the key dimensions would be our Blue Car volume, and we think about as institutional sellers like banks and rental car companies, corporate fleets and dealers, that's Copart Dealer Services at number two, number three, cash for cars. So this is our consumer-facing at Copart through which we buy cars from consumers, for example, of those liability coverage on the consumers who end up with a record looking for ways to dispose of them.

All three are meaningful. We don't think we've disclosed precisely how much is each, but all three are substantial in the scheme of our noninsurance business. The one correction or one clarification I'd make to your inquiry about the buyer base is that we definitely don't think of it as a dedicated buyer base, right? We think of the acquired base as being very much an integrated one and the importance of the crossover buyer underscores that point. So we often will have buyers arrive for the first time to look at a rental car that's six years old than perfectly drivable vehicle, who then discovers that insurance cars nearby or perhaps not nearby fit the bill as well because they were hail cars or they would otherwise drive or they have damage that doesn't affect at all the fundamentals of the vehicle as is. So those buyers end up buying cars from both sides. We find that to be the case farm in the case of the dedicated buyer, as you described.

I would say the shared characteristics across all of these sellers is that the international buyers for Copart are very relevant. The international buyers, as you know, probably from having followed us for a while, generally buy cars that are more valuable, in fact, is much more valuable than the average car sold at Copart and that is true to the noninsurance vehicle. They are active participants, both as buyers and as bidders, which, of course, drives liquidity and drives selling prices for Copart as well.

[Jash Patwa, Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Understood. That's very helpful color. Just one more for me on the fee side. I think it's been a couple of years since you have implemented any major fee hikes on the buy side. Curious if you could share any color around the historical framework for fee increases with pricing moderating on the salvage car side as well as on the whole car side? And wondering if any changes in the competitive environment have altered your approach to fee hikes in recent years?

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Yeah. I'll acknowledge that's a good and reasonable substantive question. It's one we don't address on informs like this one. But we view ourselves as responsible long-term stewards of this business. We focus first and foremost on delivering value to our sellers, to our buyers. And we trust that in the long run, we'll also capture our appropriate share thereof. So we don't talk about fee schedules. I would encourage you to pursue that research through third parties.

[Jash Patwa, Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Appreciate it. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to pass the call back over to Jeff for closing comments.

[Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer at Copart]

Thank you for joining us. We'll talk to you in a couple of months.

[Operator]

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Participants

Corporate Executives

• Jeff Liaw, Chief Executive Officer
• Leah Stearns, Chief Financial Officer

Analysts

• Bob Labick, CJS Securities
• John Healy, Northcoast Research
• Craig Kennison, Robert W. Baird
• Christopher Bottiglieri, BNP Paribas
• Bret Jordan, Jefferies Financial Group Inc.
• Jash Patwa, J.P. Morgan