Danaher Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 22, 2024

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

My name is Ashley, and I will be your conference facilitator this morning. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Danaher Corporation's 3rd Quarter 20 24 Earnings Results Conference Call. I will now turn the call over to Mr. John Bedford, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr.

Operator

Bedford, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on the call. With us today are Rainer Blair, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Matt McGrew, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'd like to point out that our earnings release, Form 10Q, the slide presentation supplementing today's call, the reconciliations and other information required by SEC Regulation G relating to the non GAAP financial measures we'll be discussing during the call, and a note containing details of historical and anticipated future financial performance are all available on the Investors section of our website, www dotdanaher.com, under the heading Quarterly Earnings. The audio portion of this call will be archived on the Investors section of our website later today under the heading Events and Presentations and will remain archived until our next quarterly call. A replay of this call will also be available until November 5, 2024.

Speaker 1

During the presentation, we will describe certain of the more significant factors that impacted year over year performance. The supplemental materials describe additional factors that impacted year over year performance. Unless otherwise noted, all references in these remarks and supplemental materials to company specific financial metrics relate to results from continuing operations and relate to the Q3 of 2024 and all references to period to period increases or decreases in financial metrics are year over year. We may also describe certain products and devices, which have applications submitted and pending for certain regulatory approvals or are available only in certain markets. During the call, we will make forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements regarding events or developments that we believe or anticipate will or may occur in the future.

Speaker 1

These forward looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in our SEC filings, and actual results might differ materially from any forward looking statements that we make today. These forward looking statements speak only as of the date that they are made and we do not assume any obligation to update any forward looking statements except as required by law. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Rainer.

Speaker 2

Well, thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us on the call today. Our team delivered strong Q3 results with revenue, adjusted net earnings per share and cash flow all coming in ahead of our expectations. We were especially pleased with the continued positive momentum in bioprocessing and another exceptional quarter at Cepheid. And we enhanced our long term competitive advantage with the release of several impactful new innovations across our businesses.

Speaker 2

Now we see a bright future ahead for Danaher. A transformation in our portfolio over the last several years has created a focused life sciences and diagnostics leader positioned for higher long term growth, expanded margins and stronger cash flow. Danaher is purpose built to help customers solve some of the most important health challenges impacting patients around the world. Our proven ability to innovate is enabling faster, more accurate diagnoses and helping customers reduce the time and cost needed to sustainably develop and deliver life changing therapies. Now the unique combination of our talented team, our differentiated science and technology portfolio and the power of the Danaher Business System positions us well as we seek to maximize value for our customers, our associates and our shareholders.

Speaker 2

So with that, let's take a closer look at our Q3 2024 results. Sales were $5,800,000,000 in the 3rd quarter and we delivered 0.5 percent core revenue growth. Geographically, core revenues in developed markets increased low single digits with low single digit growth in North America and mid single digit growth in Western Europe. High growth markets were down mid single digits including a high single digit decline in China. Our gross profit margin for the Q2 was 58.7 percent and our adjusted operating profit margin of 27.5% was down 10 basis points as accelerated investments in innovation offset the favorable impact of cost savings initiatives.

Speaker 2

Adjusted diluted net earnings per common share of $1.71 were essentially flat year over year. And we generated $1,200,000,000 of free cash flow in the quarter and $3,800,000,000 year to date, resulting in a year to date free cash flow to net income conversion ratio of 135%. Now let's take a closer look at our results across the portfolio and give you some color on what we're seeing in our end markets today. Core revenue in our Biotechnology segment was flat year over year with our bioprocessing business up low single digits and our discovery and medical business down high single digits. In bioprocessing, we were encouraged with the continued positive momentum we saw in the quarter.

Speaker 2

Notably, orders increased high single digits sequentially, which is the 5th consecutive quarter of sequential order improvement and our book to bill ratio improved to approximately 1.0. Now geographically, we saw improving order trends in developed markets as large customers are returning to more normal ordering patterns. In China, orders and underlying activity levels remain weak, particularly for equipment, as customers continue to conserve their capital. Revenue growth in the quarter was driven by our larger pharma, biopharma and CDMO customers. Production volumes at these customers who are primarily manufacturing monoclonal antibody therapies has continued to grow in line with historical averages.

Speaker 2

Now we've seen demand at these customers steadily improve throughout the year as they're moving past inventory destocking and anticipate this gradual recovery will continue over the coming quarters. In contrast, we're not seeing the same level of improvement in underlying performance from our smaller customers. Despite a modest improvement in the funding environment, they continue to rationalize their therapeutic programs and remain cautious with their investments. Now putting this all together, we continue to expect low single digit core revenue decline in our bioprocessing business for the full year 2024. And this includes an assumption of high single digit core revenue growth in the 4th quarter.

Speaker 2

Now as destocking moves behind us, we're increasingly excited about the long term opportunities ahead for Cytiva's leading bioprocessing franchise. Monoclonal antibodies, which comprise the majority of our revenues, remain the largest investment area for our customers. We're also seeing accelerated adoption of these therapies and 6 of the top 10 highest revenue generating drugs today are monoclonal antibodies. With our comprehensive portfolio, our best in class scientific services and innovation focused on increasing yields and enhancing manufacturing efficiencies, we believe we're very well positioned to support our customers today and well into the future. Now turning to our Life Sciences segment, core revenue decreased by 2% in line with our expectations.

Speaker 2

Core revenue in our Life Sciences Instruments businesses collectively declined mid single digits with market conditions in the Q3 largely consistent with what we saw in the first half of the year. Ongoing research and lab activity is driving growth in consumables and service, which was more than offset by a decline in capital equipment, particularly in China. Announced stimulus measures in China have not yet translated into meaningful order activity as customers are still awaiting details on the implementation of these programs. Now in the meantime, many customers are delaying purchasing decisions. Outside of China, our end markets are relatively stable and we were encouraged to see early signs of improvement in demand among our pharma and biopharma customers, particularly in North America.

Speaker 2

Now during the quarter, Beckman Coulter Life Sciences introduced the Cytom VT. Cytom VT is a fully automated, high throughput cell culture system designed to simplify and accelerate the complex and lengthy process of clone screening and cell line development. Now by harnessing the power of the Sidom BT, researchers can optimize workflows and reduce hands on time by up to 90%, enabling them to efficiently identify the most promising clones and improve the success rate of their cell line development projects. In July, we completed the acquisition of GeneData, a leading provider of enterprise and workflow software used in drug discovery and development. GeneData's advanced software solutions automate complex R and D processes, enabling biopharma researchers to analyze and interpret samples more quickly.

Speaker 2

So we're really excited to welcome this innovative team to our life science segment. Now, Beckman's CytomVT and the acquisition of Gene Data are both great examples of how we're strengthening our long term competitive advantage while helping our customers accelerate the drug discovery process. In our genomics consumables business, core revenue declined low single digits, continuing the trends we saw in the Q2. In August, IDT expanded its synthetic biology portfolio with the launch of RapidGenes. These ready to use NGS verified clonal genes are cost effective and offer fast turnaround, allowing pharmaceutical researchers to quickly pursue high throughput experiments such as antibody development.

Speaker 2

IDT's long history of innovation is one of the key reasons the research community turns to IDT to help advance drug discovery and accelerate the pace of genomic medicine development. Now moving to our Diagnostics segment, core revenue increased 5%. Our clinical diagnostics businesses collectively delivered low single digit core revenue growth. Beckman Coulter Diagnostics was up low single digits with strong global demand partially offset by the impact of volume based procurement in China. Outside of China, recurring revenue was up high single digits driven by recent new product introductions and installed base expansion.

Speaker 2

The Beckman team continued their accelerated cadence of new product innovation this quarter with the release of the DXC-500i integrated chemistry and immunoassay analyzer. Now the DXC-500i is specifically designed to improve efficiency and meet the unique workflow needs of low volume laboratory customers such as community hospitals. So this highlights Beckman's commitment to serving the entire healthcare network by providing a comprehensive portfolio of solutions for low, mid and high throughput core labs. In molecular diagnostics, Cepheid's core revenue increased double digits with broad based strength across respiratory and non respiratory assays. CECIOD's respiratory revenue of approximately $425,000,000 in the quarter exceeded our expectation of $200,000,000 as we saw both higher volumes and a favorable mix of our 4 in-one test for COVID-nineteen, flu A, flu B and RSV.

Speaker 2

Favorable volume was driven in part by customers purchasing in preparation for the upcoming respiratory season. Now based on activity in the Q3 and our expectation of a respiratory season with normal severity, we expect respiratory revenue of approximately $1,700,000,000 for the full year of 2024. Outside of respiratory, increasing menu adoption and system utilization helped drive another quarter of mid teens growth in Cepheid's core non respiratory reagent portfolio, including more than 20% growth in group A strep, sexual health and virology assays. We also saw strong installed base growth, particularly for our lower throughput systems as customers continue to add GeneXpert instruments in their clinics and alternate care sites. So this expansion out of the hospital allows our customers to improve financial and clinical outcomes by standardizing care across their networks.

Speaker 2

I'd like to thank all of you who joined us last month for our Investor Day where we had the opportunity to showcase our differentiated diagnostics portfolio. During the event, we highlighted how DBS driven innovation and commercial execution have meaningfully improved the growth and margin profile of our diagnostics franchise over the last several years. We also talked about how we are uniquely positioned for long term growth opportunities in high value, high need areas such as neurodegenerative diseases, infectious diseases and oncology. And if you haven't had the chance to see the replay, I'd encourage you to watch it on our Investor Relations website. Now let's briefly look ahead at expectations for the Q4 and the full year 2024.

Speaker 2

For the full year 2024, there is no change to our previous guidance. And as a reminder, we anticipate a core revenue decline in low single digit percent range and a full year adjusted operating profit margin of approximately 29%. In the Q4, we expect core revenue to decline in the low single digit percent range. Additionally, we expect the 4th quarter adjusted operating profit margin of approximately 30%. So to wrap up, we're pleased with our better than expected Q3 performance and expect the trends we're seeing today to continue into Q4.

Speaker 2

Our team's commitment to executing and innovating with the Danaher business system enabled us to deliver strong results while continuing to accelerate growth initiatives across the portfolio. Our 3rd quarter results also reflect the unique positioning of Danaher today. We have an outstanding group of businesses that serve attractive end markets with favorable long term secular growth drivers. We're further enhancing our portfolio and competitive advantage with innovation that is helping customers solve some of the most important health challenges impacting patients around the world. So looking ahead, we believe this powerful combination of our leading portfolio, proven ability to innovate and our team's commitment to executing with the Danaher Business System provides a solid foundation for delivering differentiated long term financial performance.

Speaker 2

And so with that, I'll turn the call back over to John.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Reiner. That concludes our formal comments. Operator, we're now ready for questions.

Operator

Certainly. We'll take our first question from Tycho Peterson with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hey, thanks. I want to probe into the instrument numbers a little bit. Wondering if you can give us instrument growth ex China. And then just maybe talk a little bit about where it's worse and where it's getting better, whether it's flow, mass spec, lab automation, microscopy and any leading indicators of funnel dynamics that make you feel better coming out of the quarter on the instrument side?

Speaker 4

Yes, Tycho, it's Matt. I'll give you the kind of a number on what it is. It's probably low to mid single digit

Speaker 5

ex China. And then,

Speaker 4

Ryan, you want to kind of give color on what we're seeing in the instrument side?

Speaker 2

Sure. No, absolutely. So and then of course in China, we would say that it's down high single digits. But if you look at the developed markets, let's start with those. The end markets were relatively stable sequentially, but we haven't seen an inflection there yet.

Speaker 2

Although in pharma and in biotech, while remains soft, we're starting to see some early signs of improvement, especially in North America. On the academic research side, there we see it stable in North America with Europe modestly weaker. But coming back to China, we're all aware of course of the announced stimulus, but that really hasn't translated into meaningful orders for us as customers continue to wait for those details. So and while they're waiting for those details, they tend to also delay perhaps the normal purchasing habits that they might have had. So the stimulus funding has yet to pick up here in the Q3.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then follow-up, I know you don't want to talk about 25% yet, but if we look at kind of the run rate for guidance on Life Sciences that you're giving us for the Q4, the Street is at 6% next year on Life Sciences. Is that realistic kind of given the run rate you're laying out for the 4th quarter? And then anything you can say on China Bioprocess for next year? We've seen some of your peers talk down numbers as well.

Speaker 2

Tycho, we're still looking here to see how the Q4 plays out and see whether we can see a pickup in the stimulus, particularly in China, while we do expect the developed markets to be stable along the lines that I just discussed for Q3. So we're looking to see how China's stimulus plays out here in Q4 before we can get to 20, 25 numbers. Now as it relates to bioprocessing, we continue to see there a low activity level, albeit stable, but at a lower level. And we expect that to take more time to play out here in the near term.

Speaker 4

Yes. Maybe just to kind of follow-up. I think the comment on the China stimulus is for tools, Tycho, right? Just kind of what we're seeing there. For 'twenty five overall, so that's kind of a 'twenty five overall for Dan or her for tools.

Speaker 4

But for bioprocessing for 2025, I think we've kind of talked about a gradual recovery here in 2024. And that's pretty well played out like we thought. Like Reiner said, we do need to see sort of how Q4 plays out, but before we kind of give anything form 125. But that said, the Q4 exit rate of high single digits, an important kind of building block for us as we build backlog and visibility heading into 2025. But given what we've seen here through Q3, I think we're going to see a gradual recovery continue into 2025.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then on the Life Science, the guidance, 4th quarter down low single digit, but the Street next year is up 6%. I was trying to also reconcile whether that step up is reasonable.

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, I think the biggest factor there for as we look to next year will be what happens with China stimulus for life sciences.

Speaker 3

Okay, understood. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Michael Ryskin with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, thanks. I actually want to just follow-up on exactly your last point there on bioprocess exit rate and how to think about 2025 and just how you're feeling about that market developing the gradual recovery. You talked about, I think, 5 consecutive quarters of order growth there. And the last couple of quarters, you've had high single digit order growth. Revenues for bioprocess have done well this year as well, but they've lagged the growth level.

Speaker 6

So it seems like there's a little bit of a lag in terms of the orders translating into revenue, which you would expect obviously. Do you think that lag is closing? Do you think that we're getting closer as we hit 4Q? You talked about high single digit buy process where you're going to start to see some of that order growth we've seen over the last quarters, a couple of quarters start to translate and again translate into next year?

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, I think if you I think it's perfect frame. I mean, you think about exiting the year at high single digits, but you kind of take a step back and you look at from a core growth perspective in 2024, we're going to be down low single digits. And so as you sort of think about where we kind of exit the totality of 2024 with that gradual sort of kind of recovery in mind as we head to 2025, I think that's kind of the way that we're thinking about it from a perspective of what revenue will do next year based on the fact that the order trajectory has gotten better over the last five quarters. But like I said, I mean, it would be great for us to see Q4 here before we go.

Speaker 4

But I do think going down low single digits this year in revenue, would be positive next year, we believe. Let's see where the trajectory goes here, given the fact that I do believe this is going to kind of be a continuation of what we saw in 2024, which is pretty gradual recovery. Very encouraging though. So we're very happy with where we are.

Speaker 6

Okay. All right. And then a follow-up, I want to ask on Cepheid a couple of quick questions if I can. One is, you talked about timing of some purchasing of the kits in the quarter. Any chance you could quantify that?

Speaker 6

I know you did 425 in respiratory versus the 200 guy. Do you think that 225 was timing or maybe it was some of that organic beat and some of it was timing? Just trying to get a sense of how much pull forward there was from the Q4. And in the press release, you also specifically called out Cepheid gaining market share in molecular testing. If you could expand on that, where are you gaining share in terms of customer or geographically, any specifics there?

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, Mike, it's a little hard to parse out to the dollar how much of the beat was related to pull forwards versus just sort of better than we thought. I think probably anecdotally from what we heard from customers, I would say that we do believe that there was a good portion of that was probably due to wanting to make sure that they had kind of a security of supply heading into the Q4, which is not a huge surprise, I guess. But as we sort of look forward to the Q4, then we did take that into account as we thought about what we might see here in the Q4. So I'd say a significant portion of the beat was probably related to that.

Speaker 4

As far as market shares go, I think I'd probably put it in 2 categories. I'd probably say 1, it's largely in the U. S, so that's not an absolute statement. I would say largely in the U. S, as you know, we are entirely in sort of hospitals as well as near point of care.

Speaker 4

We've been doing very, very well with IDNs as we've expanded beyond their core hospitals into other point of care settings closer to the patient. That has continued here in the quarter, and I expect that, that would continue as well again with this the installed base that we've been able to drive.

Speaker 7

Thanks a lot guys.

Operator

Thank you. We'll move next to Doug Schenkel with Wolfe Research.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning guys. I guess a couple of quick follow ups. There's been a lot of questions that kind of dance around the 2025 question, as I'm sure you appreciate. When I look at numbers, the Street is looking for 8% core growth with bioprocessing growing double digits and life sciences growing 7%.

Speaker 3

You

Speaker 7

haven't said anything about anything resembling a snapback. Respiratory comps are going to be tough. VBT seems to be picking up in China. Stimulus activity follow through seems unclear. And then just knowing you guys, you tend to be conservative.

Speaker 7

So cutting to the chase, am I missing anything? And should the Street be modeling things at these levels, recognizing you still want to see another quarter? But as we sit here today, the numbers look as smidge high to me. Am I missing anything?

Speaker 2

Well, I don't think you're missing much here. If we just take a look real quick on how we're thinking about 2025. It's important to know that we need to see how Q4 plays out here. I'll come back to that in a minute. But there's still a couple of important variables in Q4 that's going to shape the next year.

Speaker 2

And those relate to really the trajectory of the order book in bioprocessing. It's so important. So certainly the high single digit core growth that we expect in bioprocessing for the 4th quarter is fully supported by backlog and what we expect in orders. We also want to see more deeply into 2025 by seeing that orders momentum here continue into Q4. So that's going to be key here for understanding how the second half of twenty twenty five plays out in bioprocessing.

Speaker 2

As it relates to respiratory for Cepheid, another key variable here, as we just talked about, there's been some purchasing ahead here in Q3. And based on what we saw in the Southern Hemisphere, we do expect the Northern Hemisphere to have a more normal respiratory season. And as you know, that straddles the first respiratory season of the year straddles Q4 and Q1. And then lastly, and this is important for life sciences, but also more generally, we need to see how this China stimulus plays out in 2025 and we'd like to see some indicators of that accelerating here in Q4 to date. We've not really seen anything meaningful in that regard.

Speaker 2

So we're going to put numbers all around us here and then update you in January.

Speaker 7

Okay. Super helpful, Reiner. And I guess another follow-up on just

Speaker 1

I mean essentially trying to get

Speaker 7

at the question of the utility of the book to bill metric. Like if we look at book to bill from Q3 of last year and this year and assume that bioprocessing accounts for roughly 85 percent of biotech sales, it seems like orders were up over 20% year over year. So I'm not sure if that math is right. That would be one question. But if it is, I'm just wondering how important is that as we think about the outlook for a return to robust bioprocessing growth because I think there are some that are concluding that it's taking longer to convert.

Speaker 7

I think there's others that are assuming it's converting much more quickly than it used to. I guess we're just trying to get at how useful this metric is, especially keeping in mind this is largely a consumable business at this point.

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, I think we've talked in the past about book to bill being it's an interesting number and can be helpful in certain businesses. But traditionally or historically, we have not really used book to bill to kind of run this business for the exact reasons you said. Lots of consumables and the timing of when the shipments hit. So I think from our perspective, book to bill is not something we spend a lot of time thinking about, but we do think about the orders.

Speaker 4

And as you said, the orders here in the quarter were north of 20%. Now that is off of a very easy comp. So I think we need to have a little bit of restraint on what that means. But 5 quarters of sequential order growth is important. I think it's also what gave me a lot of encouragement in this quarter was typically we do see some seasonality where we go down from Q2 to Q3.

Speaker 4

We did not see that in this environment. I was encouraged by that, that we actually went up again sequentially. And so I sort of look at everything and think about my order growth rate percentages, even though they're off low numbers, that's important. The fact that we've had 5 sequential quarters in a row coming off of where we've been on the destocking, I think that's an important factor. So yes, to your point, I'm not sure book to bill is super critical for us, but maybe triangulating that with those other two factors, I really do think we're really happy with the trajectory of what we've seen in 2024 and what that means heading into 2025.

Speaker 4

But again, I think we've seen a pretty gradual buildup here in revenue and in orders and I suspect that that continues.

Speaker 7

Super helpful. All right. Thanks guys.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Ken.

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question from Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, Rainer. Good morning and thanks for taking my question. I guess, one, I want to ask on genomics here. Low singles maybe in the past you spoke about sequencing versus gene editing writing. What were trends between those two segments?

Speaker 8

And I think this rapid gene that you mentioned, maybe you can talk about what rapid gene is and would you expect some share gains here due to launch of this product?

Speaker 2

Sure, Vijay. On the gene reading side of the house, we do still see the markets softer as particularly in the smaller customer emerging biotech segment, we see less activity. While the funding has improved, those customers are still prioritizing their project quite a bit. And so we're seeing a bit less consumption in that area. Now on gene editing, of course, that's a different story where we see a great deal of CRISPR and guide RNA and other types of solutions doing very well.

Speaker 2

Having said that and coming back to our new product launch here with Rapid Genes, we're very excited about that. This will offer whole genes to our customers at a quality and a turnaround time, which is highly differentiated in the market. We expect that over time here to provide us some tailwind. So we're very pleased here with how IDT is performing in this environment.

Speaker 8

Understood. And maybe, Matt, one for you. Your Q4 operating margin assumption, it came down a tad versus prior. I think we're looking at low 30s exit rates. Is there some timing of expenses or anything change in margin assumption?

Speaker 8

And if it is, any change in investments and implications here as we look at incremental margins for fiscal 2025?

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, our full year margin didn't change, approximately 29%. In Q4, we'll be approximately 30%. I mean, I think it's probably a function of a couple of things. One, we're going to have we anticipate at least lower revenue in respiratory in Q4.

Speaker 4

Obviously, that has some margin implications to it. I think we did have a little bit of sort of timing, a little bit better bioprocessing in Q3 than we thought and probably some of that might be a little bit of timing related as well sort of impacting Q4 margins. And as you said, we've had a pretty good year here and as we head into the Q4, we're thinking about the cost structure, thinking about the investments that we want to make in the business. And we're picking an opportunity to make sure that we do some of those smartly here in the quarter. And I think you sort of add it all up and you kind of come up with that adjusted operating margin in the 30s, sort of holding the full year here as we head into the

Speaker 8

year. I'm sorry, the incremental margin implications for fiscal 2025 should default should be in the 35% to 40% range?

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, it's going to depend on volume, I think, Vijay. But like we've kind of talked about from a margin perspective that this business when it is operating sort of in a normal environment, the low 30s are where it should be. So I mean 25, we know will sort of update you that in January when we get there, but that will be a function of volume and mix depending on where it comes from, it will be different. So we'll have to wait until we get a little bit further to give you that, but that's sort

Speaker 5

of how I'm thinking about 25. Understood. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Vijay.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Scott Davis with Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning, fellas.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Scott.

Speaker 9

You guys mentioned again this quarter that the smaller customers in bioprocessing not coming back as fast. At what point is it become such a small piece of the business that maybe we stop having that color or it's less material or maybe a different way to ask the question is what percent of revenues is it now, where it's kind of larger versus small customers?

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean the larger versus small roughly, Scott, is kind of 75% are larger and 25% are smaller. And I think we give the color primarily because those smaller customers have a little bit of a different dynamic than the customers. Larger customers typically have on market or later phase 3 trial kind of exposures, whereas the smaller customers tend to be earlier stage, probably a little bit more related to in some instances, the cell and gene therapies of the world. So a little bit different.

Speaker 4

They act differently in the funding environment as well. So I think it's we're just trying to kind of give color as to what we're seeing there, where we are seeing an improvement in the funding environment. It's not necessarily working its way through into orders and revenue at this point. And so just to kind of give a little bit of color, but to your point, I think is most of our customers are the larger customers with stuff that is on market. When I look back at what has caused all the pain of the last kind of 2 years in this business, it was destocking at those customers.

Speaker 4

And I believe that is largely behind us. And so that's why I think it's really encouraging as we stand here and look forward, though the recovery has been gradual, it has happened, it's happened at the largest customers. It gives me a lot of faith that the long term outlook of this business still is the high single digits. When we get there, kind of will is a bit of a TBD, but I think that's the reason we sort of want to give a little bit of color on both of them.

Speaker 9

Okay. That makes sense, Matt. And guys, we didn't talk about the buyback or M and A or kind of your funnel or nothing mentioned in prepared remarks. Any update there as it relates to your confidence or size or any metrics around

Speaker 5

the funnel would be helpful?

Speaker 4

Yes. I'll just touch real quick on the buyback and maybe Reiner can give some color on the funnel, the M and A funnel. But I mean the buyback, I think if you see, we did complete it technically that buyback was straddled both Q2 and Q3. So if you see something in the Q, that's what it was related to just so everybody's kind of clear. It was not a new issue.

Speaker 4

And so it was the final pieces, if you will, of the buyback that we talked about in Q2.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Matt. And as it relates to the M and A environment, Scott, as we do every day, we're out there cultivating across all of our segments and we're fairly active there. Our funnels are pretty dynamic. It's

Speaker 9

fair

Speaker 2

to say that while the environment though is improving, valuations are still elevated. And so we feel great about our positioning both in terms of the assets that are attractive out there and of course our balance sheet. But we're going to maintain our discipline with our deals needing to meet our trifecta of attractive end market, attractive company and then of course the valuation framework, the model has to work as well. So active, but we still see that the valuations are elevated.

Speaker 9

Makes sense, Reiner. Thank you. I'll pass it on. Appreciate it. Good luck, guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Puneet Souda with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Ryan and Matt. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 10

So, specifically on China, just following up on a few things. What's the right sort of jump off point for China for as we think about 2025, just given the uncertainties here in the market and the backdrop of the stimulus? And also wondering if you can elaborate a bit on the China value based pricing, how much of an impact are you making there? And just lastly on China, how much is local bioprocess competition important in this market? And does that change your view for the long term growth of the worldwide bioprocessorbiotech segment, long term growth, just now that local competition has emerged and is being utilized more in some of those local NABs?

Speaker 4

Maybe to start because I think your first question and your third question sort of wrapped around China for next year in bioprocessing. Maybe I'll let Rainer take that. But just VBP, just to remind everybody, we sort of assumed that it was going to be kind of $150,000,000 impact over 3 years really starting this year as we ramp up. Our assumptions initially were sort of that that would be linear over the next 3 years. We are starting to see a little bit more activity in China around VBP here at the end of this year.

Speaker 4

So I think we'll have a better sense of what that linearity looks like after we get through next couple of months where it does look like the activity is sort of ramping up. So I still think the number is a good number, but how that rolls out and plays out will sort of be determined in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 2

As it relates to the JOP, Puneet, really, I think we need to view China as stable and sort of bumping along the bottom, and we don't expect a change in that in the short term as we go through and think about 2025 unless we see a material change in the execution and rollout of the stimulus program in China. So we expect China to continue to develop as it has been here for most of the year in 2024. Now as it relates to your question on local competition, certainly there's local competition out there. But we have to be clear that particularly in biotech, there are many companies simply struggling to survive and they're buying essentially the least expensive solution that they can to make it to the end of the month. And it's just going to have to be good enough.

Speaker 2

So that's sort of one section of the market. Then there's another segment that really is targeting the international sale of their therapeutic molecules. And they tend to want to have solutions from multinational companies, 1st and foremost from ourselves here and Cytiva in order to ensure that regulators around the world are comfortable with the input that are required to make these incredibly effective drugs. So yes, there's local competition. We would see it more on the margin, especially as it relates to local molecules.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you. Very helpful. I'll leave it there.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Puneet.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Dan Leonard with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thank you. I wanted to circle back to the trends in life science instruments and equipment specifically because I think you do have some consumables in that instrument reporting. Can you elaborate a bit further on what the equipment trends were in the quarter from a growth perspective?

Speaker 2

So just to talk about the quarter more generally, the market conditions in third quarter were essentially consistent with what we saw in the first half of twenty twenty four. And capital equipment spending continued to be constrained. And to the last question, particularly in China. Now in contrast to the equipment constrained environment, consumables and service grew in the quarter as lab and research facilities and institutions activity has started to stabilize. So we do see equipment being constrained, but consumables are starting to move.

Speaker 11

And then a quick follow-up, Rainer. Could you comment on the performance at Abcam? It seems like versus our numbers, the run rate there is improving. I'm unsure if that's the correct read or if it's just rounding or if there's other M and A into that revenue mix.

Speaker 2

There's no other M and A in that revenue mix, but of course we're working very hard to drive our hypothesis around APKAM. And right now the focus is on transitioning into Danaher, of course, and the team is making great progress with that. They're implementing actually pulling on our DBS capabilities to drive those growth accelerators and of course improve the cost positioning that we've talked about. So we feel very good about where we are with AvComm. And long term, we absolutely believe that this meets our expectations, both in terms of growth and the bottom line.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Thank you. And we will take our final question from Jack Meehan with Nephron Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Thank you. Good morning, guys.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Jack. I

Speaker 12

wanted to ask about diagnostics in the China region. Just start for Matt, can you just check my math is can you remind me is this like 15% of diagnostic sales? And I was trying to back into how Beckman might have done in the quarter in the region. It could have been to the tune of down 20% or so. And then for Reiner, would just be great to hear about your thoughts on regional dynamics and diagnostics.

Speaker 12

Is this all kind of price impact or any change in kind of share shift? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes. So diagnostics, the total revenue for China diagnostics, I think you're in the ballpark on that. As far as what China was from China Diagnostics perspective in the quarter, I don't think it would have been down that high, Jack. Probably it was down in overall Diagnostics, which most of that's going to be Beckman. It was kind of down low double digits.

Speaker 4

So I think that's probably a more a better place to anchor, but I think your total number is probably pretty close to right as far as percentage set.

Speaker 2

We saw across the world here really with one exception, strong performance in all of our clinical diagnostic businesses. And of course, you heard from Matt around Cepheid that we believe to be taking share there at really at all levels. But coming back to our clinical diagnostic businesses, we saw high single digit recurring revenue growth in North America and in Europe. On the other hand, we come back to China. In China, we see the impact of the volume based procurement, which is what brings us down.

Speaker 2

We also had in Beckman and Colter in particular, a high hardware sellout comp last year as we were burning down some backlog. But we're very pleased with how our clinical diagnostics businesses continue to develop, continue to take share and volume based procurement is sort of the topic right now for diagnostics in China.

Operator

Thank you. And this will conclude our Q and A session. I'll turn the call for John for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you everybody for joining today. We'll be around for

Speaker 5

follow ups all day. Rest of the week. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And this does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.

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