Synchrony Financial Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Skip to Questions & Answers
Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Synchrony Financial Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call.

Please refer to the Company's Investor Relations website for access to their earnings materials. Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. Currently, all callers have been placed in a listen-only mode and the call will be open for your questions following the conclusion of the management's prepared remarks. [Operator Instructions].

I will now turn the call over to Kathryn Miller, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Kathryn Miller
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Synchrony Financial

Thank you and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our quarterly earnings conference call.

In addition to today's press release, we have provided a presentation that covers the topics we plan to address during our call. The press release, detailed financial schedules and presentation are available on our website, synchronyfinancial.com. This information can be accessed by going to the Investor Relations section of the website.

Before we get started, I wanted to remind you that our comments today will include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainty and actual results could differ materially. We list the factors that might cause actual results to differ materially in our SEC filings, which are available on our website.

During the call, we will refer to non-GAAP financial measures in discussing the Company's performance. You can find a reconciliation of these measures to GAAP financial measures in our materials for today's call.

Finally, Synchrony Financial is not responsible for and does not edit or guarantee the accuracy of our earnings teleconference transcripts provided by third parties. The only authorized webcast are located on our website.

On the call this morning are Brian Doubles, Synchrony's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Wenzel, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

I will [Technical Issues]

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Kathryn, and good morning, everyone.

Today, Synchrony reported strong third quarter results, including net earnings of $789 million or $1.94 per diluted share, a return on average assets of 2.6% and a return on tangible common equity of 24.3%. These results reflect Synchrony's commitment to driving value for our customers, partners, providers, small businesses and our shareholders as the operating environment continues to evolve.

During the quarter, we continued to deliver responsible access to credit through powerful omnichannel experiences. Our broad range of flexible financing solutions and compelling value propositions continue to resonate with customers as they engage across our diversified portfolio. We added 4.7 million new accounts and generated $45 billion of purchase volume. Both new account and purchase volume growth continued to be impacted by a modest pullback in consumer spending, as well as the credit actions that Synchrony has taken since the middle of 2023 to reinforce the credit trajectory of our portfolio in 2024 and beyond. Despite those actions, average active accounts remained stable versus last year and ending receivables grew 4%. Purchase volume and receivables at the platform level reflected a continuation of the trends we've discussed over the course of this year.

Customers continue to be selective in how and where they spend, particularly as they manage their spend to navigate the effects of inflation on needs like groceries, utilities and rent. Platform purchase volume growth ranged between down 3% and down 7% year-over-year, generally reflecting lower spend per account as customers moderated both bigger ticket and discretionary spend, particularly in categories like furniture, electronics, cosmetic and vision, as well as the impact of Synchrony's credit actions. Receivables growth across the platforms range from 3% to 10% higher versus last year, primarily driven by payment rate moderation. Dual and co-branded cards accounted for 43% of total purchase volume for the quarter and decreased 2%, generally due to more selective consumer spend behavior and the impact of our credit actions. The trends we see in the out-of-partner spend on these products have generally remained consistent with those at the platform level. Our customers continue to be discerning in their discretionary purchases, particularly around larger ticket categories such as home furnishing, travel and entertainment and are prioritizing non-discretionary spend like groceries and pharmacy. As we would generally expect, our customers across credit grades are spending less per transaction in most categories with average transaction values declining 3% versus last year. More specifically, our non-prime customers reduced their average transaction values by about 5% versus last year, while prime transaction values moderated by 3%. Our super-prime customers continued to drive more out-of-partner spend with transaction value declines of around 2% year-over-year. That said, customers across credit grades are transacting with relatively stable frequency compared to last year, which has partially offset the impact of lower transaction values.

From a payment behavior perspective, we continue to see relative stability in our non-prime segment. Meanwhile, our prime and super-prime customers have continued to gradually shift from above minimum payment to minimum payment. The proportion of less than minimum payments in our portfolio remains below the 2017 to 2019 average across all credit segments. When taken together, we believe the spend and payment trends we're observing across our portfolio reflect a consumer that is making healthy decisions that align with their respected priorities and budget. And as our customer needs and priorities continue to shift, Synchrony remains focused on delivering financial solutions with compelling value propositions and broad utility for wherever life takes them. This ability to evolve and enhance our offerings also allows us to deliver loyalty and resilient risk-adjusted returns for our partners, providers and merchants and strengthen Synchrony's position as a partner of choice.

During the third-quarter, we added or renewed more than 15 partners, including Dick's Sporting Goods and Gibson and strategic partnerships like Albertsons. We're proud to extend our partnership with Dick's, which builds on our more than 20-year long relationship. We will maintain our commitment to athletes through our Score Rewards credit card program by providing the ability to earn rewards twice as fast, exclusive member-only offers and digital account management. Athletes will be able to continue using these cards online and in-stores across the company's 800-plus retail locations, including Dick's Sporting Goods, House of Sport, Golf Galaxy and Public Lands.

Meanwhile, Synchrony's partnership with Gibson, the most iconic brand in the music industry represents what we believe to be an industry-first through Gibson's launch of a direct-to-consumer credit program, which is available on gibson.com at the Gibson Garage Nashville flagship store. Gibson will also participate as part of our manufacturer OEM sponsorship program to drive customer engagement with their dealer framework as well as the Synchrony Music & Sound network. Synchrony is also excited to launch a strategic partnership between CareCredit and Albertsons Companies, a leading food and drug retailer in our communities. This collaboration allows customers to use their CareCredit card to pay for select health and wellness items in nearly 2,200 Albertsons Company stores, which includes Albertsons, Safeway, Vons, ACME, Shaw's and Jewel-Osco. This adds to our expanding list of partners such as Sam's Club, Walgreens, and Walmart, where CareCredit is accepted for payment of select health and wellness products and services.

And lastly, Synchrony is proud to launch a first-of-its-kind payment experience for pet parents with our patent-pending insurance reimbursement functionality that will streamline the process for managing pet healthcare expenses. Customers who have both a CareCredit and Pets Best insurance product will now be able to have their Pets Best insurance claims directly reimbursed to their CareCredit health and wellness credit cards. This seamless new technology reflects Synchrony's focus on driving best-in-class experiences and through our collaboration with Independence Pet Holdings build on our commitment to enable more pets to get the veterinary care they need. So whether it's through the delivery of scalable, innovative financial solutions that empower our customers or the addition and renewal of partnerships that span most consumer spend categories, Synchrony is powering access, flexibility and utility for our customers and partners alike, and in turn, we are driving greater long-term value for our stakeholders.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian to discuss our financial performance in greater detail.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Brian and good morning, everyone.

Synchrony delivered another quarter of strong financial results, demonstrating the resilience of our differentiated business model and our ability to execute across our key strategic priorities to deliver consistently compelling outcome for our stakeholders. Ending loan receivables reached $102 billion in the third quarter, reflecting growth of 4% compared to last year as the benefit of approximately 60 basis point decrease in payment rate more than offset the 4% decline in purchase volume. Net revenue grew 10% to $3.8 billion due to the combined impact of higher interest and fees, lower RSA and higher other income. Net interest income increased 6% to $4.6 billion as interest and fees grew 7%, primarily reflecting growth in average loan receivables and a higher loan receivable yield. Our loan receivable yield grew 30 basis points due to the combined impact of our product, pricing and policy changes or PPPCs and lower payment rate, partially offset by higher reversals. Total interest-bearing liabilities cost was 4.78%, 44 basis points higher year-over-year due to higher benchmark rates.

RSAs of $914 million were 3.57% of average loan receivables in the third quarter and declined $65 million versus the prior year, primarily driven by higher net charge-offs. And other income increased to $119 million, primarily related to the impact of our PPPC-related fees, which were partially offset by the impact of our Pets Best disposition and venture investment gains and losses. Provision for credit losses increased to $1.6 billion, reflecting higher net charge-offs and a $47 million reserve build. Other expenses grew 3% to $1.2 billion, which was driven by costs related to the Ally Lending acquisition, technology investments and preparatory expenses related to the late fee rule change, partially offset by lower operational losses. The preparatory expenses related to late fee rule change reflected $11 million of incremental costs related to both the execution of our PPPCs and the implementation costs of the rule itself should become effective. Even with these incremental costs, the efficiency ratio was 31.2% for the third quarter, an improvement of approximately 200 basis points versus last year, reflecting Synchrony's continued cost discipline and commitment to driving operational leverage in our business. Taken together, Synchrony generated net earnings of $789 million or $1.94 per diluted share. This produced a return on average assets of 2.6% and a return on tangible common equity of 24.3%.

Next, I'll cover our key credit trends on slide nine. At quarter-end, our 30-plus delinquency rate was 4.78% versus 4.40% in the prior year and 16 basis points above our historical average from the third quarters of 2017 to 2019. Our 90-plus delinquency rate was 2.33% versus 2.06% in the prior year and 20 basis points above our historical average from the third quarters of 2017 to 2019. And our net charge-off rate was 6.06% in the third quarter versus 4.60% in the prior year and 97 basis points above our historical average from the third quarters of 2017 to 2019. Our allowance for credit losses as a percent of loan receivables was 10.79%, which was generally consistent with the second quarter coverage ratio of 10.74%.

As shown on slide 10, the credit actions we've taken from mid-2023 through early 2024 are improving our delinquency trajectory as the rate of year-over-year growth in both 30-plus and 90-plus delinquency rates continue to decelerate. We'll continue to closely monitor our portfolio performance as well as credit trends for the broader industry, given our shared consumer and will take additional credit actions if necessary. While the actions we have taken since last year have reduced new account and purchase volume growth in the short-term, we expect it will strengthen our portfolio's position as we exit 2024 and support our ability to deliver our targeted risk-adjusted returns over the long-term.

Turning to slide 11, Synchrony's funding, capital and liquidity continued to provide a strong foundation for our business. During the third quarter, Synchrony grew our direct deposits by approximately $780 million, reduced our broker deposits by $1.5 billion and issued $750 million of senior unsecured fixed-to-floating rate notes due in 2030. At quarter-end, deposits represented 84% of our total funding, while secured and unsecured debt each representing 8% of our total funding respectively. Total liquid assets and undrawn credit facilities were $22.4 billion, a $1.9 billion increase versus last year and represented 18.8% of total assets, a 60 basis point increase from last year. Focusing on our capital ratios. As a reminder, we elected to take the benefit of the CECL transition rules issued by the joint Federal Banking Agencies, Synchrony will make a final transition adjustment to our regulatory capital metrics of approximately 50 basis points in January 2025. The impact of CECL has already been recognized in our income statement and balance sheet. Under the CECL transition rules, we ended the third quarter with a CET1 ratio at 13.1%, 30 basis points higher than last year's 12.8%. Our Tier 1 capital ratio was 14.3%, 70 basis points above last year. Our total capital ratio increased 70 basis points to 16.4%. And our Tier 1 capital plus reserves ratio on a fully phased-in basis increased to 24.5% compared to 22.9% last year.

Synchrony returned $399 million to shareholders during the third quarter, which consisted of $300 million in share repurchases and $99 million in common stock dividends. As of quarter-end, we had $700 million remaining in our share repurchase authorization for the period ending June 30, 2025. Synchrony remains well-positioned to return capital to shareholders as guided by our business performance, market conditions, regulatory restrictions and subject to our capital plan.

Turning to our outlook. Synchrony remains focused on executing our key strategic priorities and taking the appropriate actions to reinforce our business performance for years to come, particularly our ability to deliver our long-term financial targets on average over-time. We have been closely monitoring our portfolio and believe that both our credit actions and the PPPCs are performing in-line with our expectations. With the first quarter of our PPPCs in effect, we are experiencing slightly lower paper statement fee income than expected with strong enrollment in e-bill. We're also experiencing less customer attrition than expected, which is a testament to the value propositions of the products we offer. We will continue to attract the financial and operational impact on our customers, partners and portfolios to determine alongside our partners whether any refinements to our strategies are warranted to achieve our shared objectives of sustainable risk-adjusted growth at our targeted long-term returns.

As a reminder, specifically related to the framework around the pending late fee rule change and our PPPCs, there continues to be uncertainty regarding the timing and outcome of late fee-related litigation that was filed in March, the potential changes in consumer behavior that could occur as a result of late fee rule change and any potential changes in consumer behavior in response to the PPPCs and the broader industry have implemented as a result of the new rule. Outcomes and actual performance related to any of these uncertainties could impact our outlook.

With that framework, let's turn to our outlook for the remainder of 2024. We expect the consumer to continue to manage their spending, which when combined with our credit actions should result in low single-digit decline in purchase volume for the fourth quarter. We continue to expect payment rates to moderate, which when combined with the purchase volume expectations should contribute to low single-digit growth in ending loan receivables compared to last year. Given that the late fee rule was not implemented on October 1, as assumed in our previous outlook and the continued uncertainty with regard to late fee litigation, we assume the late fee rule will not become effective in 2024. As a result, we expect net interest income to remain sequentially flat as the impacts of our PPPCs are offset by seasonally higher reversals. Other income is expected to remain consistent with the third quarter level. RSA will continue to align program and company performance and should decrease sequentially on a dollar basis and as a percentage of average loan receivables, reflecting the net impact of seasonally higher net charge-offs on flat revenue. Other expenses expect to increase sequentially with the seasonally higher growth. And from a credit perspective, we expect delinquencies to follow seasonality in the fourth quarter. We also continue to expect the second half 2024 net charge-off rate will be lower than the first half.

Lastly, we continue to expect our year-end 2024 reserve rate to be generally in-line with the year-end 2023 rate. Given these assumptions, Synchrony expects to deliver fully diluted earnings per share between $8.45 and $8.55 for the full year 2024. The approximate $0.80 improvement from the midpoint of our prior full-year EPS outlook reflects a combination of factors. First, [Indecipherable] assumption that the late fee rule be implemented on October 1, 2024, and therefore also the removal of the related benefit from the RSA offset. Second, the impact of our PPPCs and the increase in RSA associated with those changes. And finally, strong performance of our core business as we enter the fourth quarter.

In summary, Synchrony has continued to deliver on key strategic priorities that matter most to our stakeholders. We remain confident in the measures we've taken thus far to strengthen our business in an evolving environment and believe we're well-positioned to drive resilient risk-adjusted returns over the long-term.

With that, I will now turn the call back over to Brian for his closing thoughts.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Brian.

Synchrony is leveraging our proprietary data and analytics, our deep lending expertise and our innovative digital capabilities to provide seamless customer experiences, compelling value propositions and enhanced utility with each customer interaction we have. We are increasingly anywhere our customers want to be met with financial solutions that drive loyalty and sales for our partners, providers and small businesses. And we are consistently deepening our leadership position while driving sustainable risk-adjusted growth and long-term value for our shareholders.

With that, I'll turn the call back to Kathryn to open the Q&A.

Kathryn Miller
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Synchrony Financial

That concludes our prepared remarks. We will now begin the Q&A session, so that we can accommodate as many of you as possible. I'd like to ask the participants to please limit yourself to one primary and one follow-up question. If you have additional questions, the Investor Relations team will be available after the call. Operator, please start the Q&A session.

Skip to Participants
Operator

All right. [Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Ryan Nash
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Hey, Ryan.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Good morning, Ryan.

Ryan Nash
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Brian, maybe you could unpack the NII guide for us a little bit. I understand 4Q is seasonally lower from reversals as you highlighted, but how did the PPPCs fit-in along with your liability sensitive position, which I don't think you're highlighting in your comments? And then I guess just given forward curve expectations outside of seasonality, do you expect the NIM to have a continued upward bias over the next several quarters? Thanks.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Thanks, Ryan. So when you think about NII sequentially as you step into the fourth quarter, the first, when you think about the trends that are into delinquency and units flowing into delinquency, dollars assessed on late fees should be down in 4Q versus 3Q. You combine that with higher reversals, that is essentially offsetting the positivity you should see and you will see on interest income and the benefit that we see in interest expense. So it kind of washes out in the quarter more just a function of how the favorability from delinquencies impacting late fees. As you start to think out against net interest margin for a second, you should continue to see the interest component relative to the PPPCs as well as the payment rates decline, increase and guide the NIM higher and you should also see a benefit of interest expense, that will lag a little bit because of the reset of the debt stack, particularly in the CDs that happens over the first half of the year. So there's generally more tailwinds as you think about margin as you move into next year, but it's going to be a little bit lagged given the reset of CDs in the first half of the year, both of which happens in the second quarter.

Ryan Nash
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Got it. And then as my follow-up question, your outlook for credit calls for delinquencies to follow seasonality. I guess, guess first, do you expect losses to do the same? And then in terms of delinquencies following seasonality, like what does that mean for the trajectory of losses into '25? And if they do follow seasonality, can losses move back below 6% into next year. Thank you.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

So, Ryan, we'll be back-in January to talk really, really about next year. But I think here's a couple of things I would think about credit as a whole. First, there's probably four points that I'd raise. Number one, the delinquency trends themselves, we're seeing strong entry rate, which is better than the pre-pandemic period, which is continuing to benefit the flow into delinquency. We're seeing early-stage delinquency really being stable as far as its performance month-on-month. And then we're seeing some improvement in the last several months in late-stage collections, which are positive. So I think delinquency trends are doing fairly well. When you think about that relative to seasonality, last several months we've actually been low-to mid-single digits better than seasonality when you look at '17 to '19 period. So that's a favorable trend that continues to go back last several months. Again, I think I've highlighted publicly the vintage performance both of the second-half of '23 and the first half of '24, albeit very early is trending better than the '18 vintages. And again, I think you can see both in the purchase volume and the new account origination, most certainly the credit actions are having some effect there, which I think bolsters credit as we move back through. Our underwriting is designed to give us that 5.5% to 6%. So the intention would be that we would get back to that point. Again, we're moving down. And you can see in the slides that the year-over-year growth in delinquencies, both 30-plus or 90-plus continue to decline. So again, tracking to our expectations as we move through the remainder part of '24.

Ryan Nash
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Thanks, Brian.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Ryan. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Terry Ma with Barclays. Please go-ahead.

Terry Ma
Analyst at Barclays Corporate & Investment Bank

Hey, thank you. Good morning. So you called out a 30 basis-point year-over-year increase in loan yields from PPPCs, lower payment rates and offset by interest reversals. Any way you can kind of quantify each of those components and maybe just help us think about how that PPPC component kind of grows into next year?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Terry, we're not going to break-out the individual components of the PPPCs by line items, but most certainly the benefit is flowing through on the interest yield line, number one, it is math a little bit when you think sequentially given the gain in the second quarter on the Visa shares. But clearly it's showing up in other income. Again, this is the first full quarter that we have the first phase of the CITs in. We continue to expect that to build into next year. I think when we come back in January, we'll try to provide a little bit more view on that. I think when you take a step back, Terry, the important thing and I highlighted in my prepared remarks is that the actions we've taken have generally been in-line with our expectations. There's a positivity in the fact that customer attrition is not as been high as our expectations. Now again, that would have had a reserve release. So it's negative from a financial perspective, but it's really better from a customer standpoint as they recognize the value propositions of our cards. We did highlight paper statements with a little bit lower than expectations, partially due to softness, partially due to our accounts being a little bit lower than expectations, but all-in-all good. Adoption of eBill and our customers' willingness to change behavior and do that has been positive. So when we look at that, generally speaking, it aligns. So even though there's a little bit less customer attrition, that generally means the core is performing a little bit better. So as we sit here today, we are where we are feeling good about where we are, but we'll continue to watch customer behavior and we'll certainly watch the market. There's a lot of issuers have already started to implement changes as this rule comes effective.

Terry Ma
Analyst at Barclays Corporate & Investment Bank

Got it. That's helpful. And then just a follow-up on credit. It seems credit performance is more or less performing in-line with your expectations. But if I look at the charge-off rate for this year, it's running somewhat north of 6%. I don't want to tie it to your initial guide, but maybe just talk about how credit performance has evolved relative to kind of what you expected coming into this year?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. The way I think about it Terry is, we took some actions really in the late first quarter, early second quarter, again to try to set-up and protect ourselves against any deterioration that could happen late this year into next year. So we took those actions. Most certainly, I think you've seen some of the purchase volume, which is slightly lower than our expectations. That unfortunately has an impact on the denominator, which brings the rate a little bit higher than what you think about. But again, I think the fact that we're not taking broad-based actions today gives us some confidence in credit and we'll certainly -- you heard my points with Ryan a little bit earlier around the four things that we had to say, listen, we feel good about where we are as we enter into the fourth quarter.

Terry Ma
Analyst at Barclays Corporate & Investment Bank

Great. Thank you.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Terry. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Don Fandetti with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Donald Fandetti
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Hi, good morning. Brian, you mentioned some improvement over the last few months in late-stage collections. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that, if that's just kind of mix catch-up and generally speaking, is it harder to execute on collections today versus prior?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Thank you and good morning, Don. Let me start with the latter part of your question. Is it harder to collect today? Most certainly. I think if you look at this versus a number of years ago, most certainly making customer contacts a little bit tougher, but that's where we've expanded and through the pandemic, investing in digital collections, investing in other forms into other channels in which we can connect with the customer in order to kind of get those collections done such as text and things like that. So it is a little bit tougher. I think it's a game where you have to deploy more products than you do have to do just get more collectors on the phone and most certainly the rules have evolved where the number of collections you can make to someone have declined. But I think we've adapted to that. I think when you think about the late-stage for a second, when your early-stage has deteriorated quite a bit, what flows into the back potentially has the ability to be slightly better and able to collect. So while I look at the late-stage, it is still performing worse than 2019 and the pre-pandemic period, it has started to improve more recently, which we take as optimistic with regard to performance. But again, it is worse than what it was. And you would expect a little bit of that. If you have very positive entry rate into delinquency, what flows in is a little bit tougher to collect. So we would have anticipated both early-stage and late-stage to be worse. But right now in the last, I'd say several months, we've seen a little bit of improvement in our late-stage collections.

Donald Fandetti
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Got it. My follow-up, just I know there's a lot of concern around the low-end. It seems like your customers and the loan are kind of managing changing behavior, continuing to change behavior, but it doesn't seem like it's sort of accelerating in terms of a pressure point. Is that fair?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. I think it's absolutely fair. I mean, we look at it Don, a couple of different ways. When you look at people making payments, when we look at the trends by credit rate, which if you say that somewhat aligns with income decile, you're seeing more of the movement in the prime, so that $6.60 [Phonetic] to $7.80 [Phonetic] range, you're seeing a little bit more movement there into [Indecipherable] you're not really seeing as much movement of the non-prime in there. I want to say the movement into [Indecipherable] is about a point difference on the prime and it was half of that in the non-prime. So we're not seeing stress when it comes to payment. You know, I think when you look at the K-shape recovery, clearly, affordability has impacted some of the lower-end consumer and they pulled back spending and they're managing fairly well. So I think when we look at those two combined, we don't see stress in the consumer. We see them actually doing somewhat rational things right now. So it's more normalization. But again, when you still look-back against the prime customers, they are paying at rates still above the 2019 levels. So we don't necessarily see signs of stress in the low-end today.

Donald Fandetti
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Thanks.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Don. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Moshe Orenbuch with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Moshe Orenbuch
Analyst at TD Cowen

Great. So, Brian, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the slowdown in spending volume and sort of separate it between the impacts of kind of your own tightening consumer preferences and then perhaps also the policy changes. One of the questions we've gotten is, do you think -- I know you said that attrition wasn't affected by that, but what about spending volumes? So those three factors. Thanks.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. First of all, good morning, Moshe. Thanks for the question. So let me start where you ended. When you look at the actions in which we took in the portfolio with regards to pricing changes and the like, the positive news is that we were able to have a control group in which we tested against that. So when we look at volume changes between the people who received CITs and those who didn't receive the CITs, there's not a material difference. So we somewhat have a base to say that the actions have created solid attrition that we're not aware of. So that's one, I think the latter part of your question. I think when you look at the purchase volume in and of itself, what you see is most certainly across the board, almost transaction value is coming down, so the consumer is trading down a bit. We see that and I use the examples, mattresses where the frequency maybe hasn't moved down as much, but the average transaction value has moved down as consumers say, listen, I'm willing to purchase a mattress, but then again, I'm not willing to spend $4,000. I'm going to go down to something at $2,500 and we've seen that across the board in our retailers. And I think you see it generally speaking across the board. I mean in discretionary items, even our health and wellness business, you see it in cosmetics and LASIK, things that can be deferred. Now that's a short-term impact. Most certainly, that will create a tailwind at some point as those types of procedures don't go away. And you're right, some of the actions we took, we had a modest impact on purchase volume, a more meaningful impact on new accounts in order to make sure that the origination of the books are at risk-adjusted returns that are attractive to us.

Moshe Orenbuch
Analyst at TD Cowen

Maybe to kind of at a high-level for either, Brian, you know, as you think about the underlying economic environment, we've been in a period where wage growth has exceeded inflation, although the consumer still feels kind of pressured and is still in that process as you pointed out of trading down. When you think about the sort of things that you are looking for to try and jumpstart or reverse some of those tightenings, what are the things that you'd be looking for kind of from a macro standpoint and maybe talk a little bit about that? Thank you.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Moshe, maybe I'll start on this one. Look, I think to Brian's point, the consumer is still in pretty good shape. The trends that we're seeing are pretty similar across the industry. Inflation is having an impact, but I think to your point, the strong labor market is definitely helping to offset some of that pressure. I think consumers are slowing spend, but they're doing it in a very kind of rational disciplined way. We actually like the fact that we can see that they're managing to a budget, they're navigating the higher cost of goods. This isn't a new trend. We started to see it earlier this year. You're seeing it a little bit more broad-based right now, but not in a concerning way. I think from a credit perspective, this is exactly what we wanted to see. Some of that is pulled back on behalf of the consumer and some of that is just the actions that we took. But again, I think similar to credit, you're just seeing spending kind of move back to a normalized level. I think when credit levels off and you start to see some stability, there's still a lot of uncertainty out there. And I think when those clouds start to clear, then you start to get back to what we would consider more normal growth in the business, driving new accounts back to levels that would be similar to prior to this year.

Moshe Orenbuch
Analyst at TD Cowen

Thanks very much.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Moshe. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Sanjay Sakhrani with KBW. Please go ahead.

Sanjay Sakhrani
Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods

Thanks, good morning. Maybe just to close the loop on credit, Brian Wenzel, maybe just talk about the reserve rate trend-line, maybe how we should think about the direction into next year. I know you're not giving guidance for next year. I don't know if you've given guidance by year end, but like just to think about when we migrate back to some normalized levels of reserve rate.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Thank you and good morning, Sanjay. I think the guidance we kind of give you is that the reserve rate at the end of this year will generally be in-line with reserve rate at the end of last year, which was 10.26% or 10.3%. I know people are probably focusing on the term generally. Obviously, when you look at a year-end number and that's a big seasonal factor, just really how the receivable develops and how it plays out. I think most certainly, I've given you some of the delinquency trends that builds into the quantitative model. And again, I think we've seen -- while it's been a little bit choppy, the macroeconomic environment being a little bit more stable, we're pleased that the Federal Reserve did lower rates. So again, I think as we exit out of this year generally in-line with last year, I think you kind of have some indication how you think about the loss trajectory. And most certainly, I don't think we see anything today that says to us, we're not going to continue to march back towards that day-one CECL. Certainly, as you see the delinquency levels, which are slightly above where we were in the pre-pandemic period, right, when you compare it back both 30 plus and 90 plus. If that moves back towards normal, we would expect the reserve rate to continue to flow down absent mix shifts.

Sanjay Sakhrani
Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods

Okay, great. And maybe on the CFPB late fee rules, I guess, Brian Wenzel, you talked a lot about sort of the behavior of the consumer, but has anything changed in terms of when you expect to fully mitigate the impact to the extent it goes in sometime next year? And then maybe if it doesn't happen, like how should we think about the game plan if it doesn't go into effect? Do you claw-back some of the changes that you've made or do you do other things? I'm just trying to think through the implications there. Thanks.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah, let me start and see if Brian has any additional comments. To your first part of your question, Sanjay, it doesn't really impact the point of neutrality, right? It really goes from the starting point to the neutrality point, what's the trough level depending upon when the late fee rule kind of comes in-place. So I don't think it's necessarily one where we look back and say, you know the early performance we've seen changes that exit rate of neutrality based upon our analysis. So I think that piece of it remains in place. With regard to when the rule may become effective, we'll probably do that sometime either in the fourth quarter or January if we have more information when we have a better assumption with regard to when that rule does go in place. We are operating as a company and most certainly the administration has taken the view that they want the late fee rule in and we're planning as if it's going to go in, it's just the point of entry when it goes in.

So your question really around is there a claw-back, people use the term rollback. As a company, we haven't spent any real-time thinking about that. Again, we view it's going to come into effect in some way. And if it doesn't, then we have to have a high degree of certainty that it wouldn't go back into play. And then it's really a conversation for those that share the economic impact of this. And then for our properties, we'd have to do that assessment. But again, we haven't spent a lot of time on this. We believe the rule will go in effect and we're planning as a company to execute that.

I don't know, Brian, do you have any further comments you want to?

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. I think, look, we had to plan as if there was going to be $8 late feet because it takes time for these offsets to bleed-in. We work with our partners on that. It's hard to speculate on whether $8 actually goes into effect or they removed the Safe Harbor. There's a lot of different ways that this could play-out, but we're prepared for all of those events. And in terms of rolling anything back, I think like Brian said, that's a discussion that we have with our partners, just like when we rolled-out the initial pricing actions, and we operate very transparently with them. And we did when we rolled out the pricing changes and we'll do that depending on the eventual outcome of the late fee. Again, our goal hasn't changed here. We're trying to protect our partners and continue to approve the same customers that we do today.

Sanjay Sakhrani
Analyst at Keefe Bruyette & Woods

Thank you.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Great Sanjay. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank. We'll take our next question from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Mihir Bhatia
Analyst at Bank of America Securities

Hi, thank you for taking my question. Maybe to start, I just wanted to turn to net interest margins for a little bit. How do you expect them to perform in a declining rate environment? Can I ask because your portfolio is a little different than some of your large peers with a little bit more fixed-rate in it. So just maybe if you could walk-through the moving pieces there and also any deposit beta assumptions you'd be willing to share?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Good morning, Mihir, and thanks for your question. So I think when you think about a framework for net interest margin, I'm going to put aside a little bit of the ALR mix. I'll come back to that at the end. I think when you first think about the interest in field, interest and fee component yield piece of this, you should be getting a little bit of a benefit as the impact of prime rate movements for that portion of the business to flow-through, right, because prime lags the way which we build it. So hopefully, we get a benefit on the floating rate component of it. Most certainly as payment rate continues to come down, the revolve rate component should rise. So those two should create tailwinds inside the interest and fee side of the NIM component. I think when you think about the funding side of both the investment portfolio as well as the interest expense, obviously, we're not the follow market. And traditionally, we've lagged the market a little bit from a digital banking perspective. I think what you've seen here in the third quarter is that digital banks have been a little bit more proactive at lowering rates earlier than normal, given their probably funding needs. So we follow them down. So I think that creates an additional tailwind.

When you think about that for a second, you have to break it out between the high-yield savings component, which has a more immediate impact. But again, it's probably 40% of our retail deposits. And then you get the 60% of CDs, a bulk of which will reprice in the first half and will certainly more than I want to say 75% reprice entirely during or during next year, but a bulk of it really repriced in the first half of the year, a lot of which is in the second quarter given the way in which we originated certificates this year. So again, that lags a little bit on some of the earlier Fed movements, but should be able to capture that rate movement down as we move back-in.

And the last thing I bring in is ALR is a little bit of a wildcard when it comes to NIM. I look at it today, if we're paying somewhat 4.3% on a high-yield savings getting 4.9% from the Fed, it's a positive economic position for the Company. So I'm not necessarily sure I want to take liquidity down at that point because we're going to need it as we begin to exit and grow here from this period of time. So again, if that turns more negative or flat, we'll rethink how much liquidity we carry. So those are the moving pieces, I think here to kind of give you some sense on how you should think about NIM.

Mihir Bhatia
Analyst at Bank of America Securities

Okay. No, that's very helpful. Thank you. And then maybe switching back to purchase volume and just following-up on I think most of the expressions. I just wanted to make sure I understand what gives you confidence that purchase volume decline, I guess purchase volumes have stabilized here, it is down low-single digit level? And relatedly, are there certain platforms which you look at which are leading indicators of where purchase volumes are going or consumer financial health? Thanks.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Obviously, we look at the trends daily and we watch daily sales and see where they flow and watch the, what I would call a counter-adjusted year-over-year view in any kind of daily year-over-year view. So I think we try to gain insights to see whether or not we see trends. And I think we see stability where we are. Brian mentioned earlier, again, we started to see a decline really in the second quarter. It accelerated into the third quarter, but now it's somewhat stabilized. Again, holiday is always an interesting period of time, how promotional it will be and which retailers win or lose there. So that's a little bit of wildcard. But I think generally speaking, when we look at the spending behavior patterns, broadly speaking, in aggregate, we don't see things that are continuing to slow. I think when we further break that down by what I would call the credit grade pieces of it, it's been fairly consistent where your higher credit grades continue to be higher than your lower credit grades with regard to what they're consuming. So I think we look at that and say, okay, there is some stability heading into the holiday season. I think to your point, is there a platform that leads your client, I think you have to look at it and say, is there platforms that are much more discretionary or ones that aren't, right? So I think you're going to see the ones that have more discretionary spend maybe a little bit more down than others. You still see strength in certain parts of the portfolio inside of the platform. So example, vets performing better than other pieces inside health and wellness, that should continue.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

I think the other thing is if you just go back and think about the two years prior to this, we're coming off of record levels of consumer spend, not just in our business, but across the industry. And I think we all knew at some point inflation was going to catch-up to the consumer, particularly at the lower-income levels, and we're starting to see that. So a slowdown is not necessarily a bad thing in this environment.

Mihir Bhatia
Analyst at Bank of America Securities

All right. Thank you for taking my questions.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks Mihir, have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Mark DeVries with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Mark DeVries
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Yeah, thanks. You mentioned earlier that you started to see others implement changes. Just interested in your thoughts on kind of what you've learned from that, whether you know you've decided you need to recalibrate to remain competitive, it doesn't really sound like it just given the low attritions or alternatively, whether you kind of miss an opportunity to change terms with some borrowers, you know that you viewed as more marginal?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Thank you. Good morning. So again, we maintain a competitive screen of those people who are in the partnership-based business. You don't necessarily look at broad-based general-purpose cards who have a different competitive dynamic relative to their value propositions. But when we look at people who have implemented changes in the partnership side from a competitive standpoint, they generally have done similar types of things relative to APRs. Some have done things with for safety. So I think we look at that landscape and I think we feel comfortable with the actions that we've taken. And again, we look more so to how our portfolio performs, our relationships with our merchants and the value proposition we have with our customers. Clearly, the pricing of a credit product has to resonate with the value proposition that they get. If those two are out of equilibrium, you're going to have a situation where the consumer is not going to want your product. So it's more we're focused on ourselves. I think when we look at the competitive screen, I think we think about it as being in-line with and we're not necessarily an outlier relative to our peers.

Mark DeVries
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Okay, got it. Thanks. And then on the guidance for reserve coverage at the end of the year, it implies a bigger kind of step-down seasonally than we saw in the last couple of years. Could you just talk about what's driving that?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Most certainly, I think when you think about the reserve coverage rate, it's generally a forward-looking view on how you think losses will be over a reasonable period of time, number one. And two, are there other things that aren't in your quantitative model that you need to account for, macroeconomic being one. I think as we think about the end of the year and think about the lost content through the delinquency we see today and how we feel about the macro, I think we feel comfortably it's generally going to be in-line with what we had at the end of last year.

Mark DeVries
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Okay. Thank you.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thank you. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from John Hecht with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

John Hecht
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Good morning, guys. Thanks very much for taking my questions. Most have been asked and answered. I'm wondering the health and wellness segments always been a good contributor of growth. And I'm just wondering, are you seeing similar kind of spend trends from a discretionary non-discretionary perspective in that category. And is there anything else to call-out there that might be different from the kind of the rest of the portfolio?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah, John, let me start on this and then hand it to Brian. I think, look, the health and wellness segment has been a big area of focus for us over the last couple of years. We think we've got the right to win in that space. It's a huge market, $400 billion roughly. We've seen a little bit of a pullback recently, but if you look over a little bit longer period of time, we've definitely been able to accelerate the growth there. We think we've got a great value proposition. We've got a well-recognized brand. Actually, we get the best customer NPS and customer satisfaction scores with those products. So we feel great about how we're positioned in health and wellness. Not surprisingly, where you've seen some pullback more broadly across the business has been in bigger ticket discretionary purchases and you're seeing some of that in the CareCredit space. Again, nothing concerning from our perspective. You're still seeing largely better growth there than you are in the rest of the business just based on the investments that we've made to-date.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Just maybe to add a little bit more color. I think when you look inside the health and wellness sales platform and think about the diversity, again, I highlighted pets up 4% year-over-year. So there are pieces of that portfolio that are doing well, cosmetics down 6%, etc. You see some things and we talk about the consumer being discretionary, some of your high-ticket dental, which is more of deferrable expense for some, you know, that's down. So I think you look at that, the positive news we take-out of that platform again, the reuse on the cards up to 65%, which is up 500 basis points from worst of last year. So again, Brian highlights that the Net Promoter score and the likability of this product, the value proposition and the brand of this product resonates with those consumers. So again, we continue to see the use and we'll certainly -- it's an area where I think when people start to lean back into some of the more discretionary type procedures that are non-medical, that we'll begin to see that lift and again, having 10% loan growth year-over-year is still a very strong part of the portfolio and part of our company strategy.

John Hecht
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Okay, great. Thanks. And then I know you guys are preparing for a variety of outcomes with the late fee backdrop. I'm wondering, can you give us just sort of an update on where it stands in litigation? Is there anything on the docket or on the calendar that we should be looking to that might represent an event that could give us a little bit more color about what's going to happen there?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. John, what I'd say is there was a hearing that was held at the end of August. Most certainly right now we're waiting for the -- and the plants are waiting for the decision with regard to the motion that's in front of the court, which is both about venue and the standing of one of the plaintiffs in the case. There's not a timetable for that district court to respond to that motion. So we're waiting for that. You then go into whether or not one of the parties, whoever is on the other side of that on whether or not they would take action with the Fifth Circuit to appeal it or whether or not the next motion would be around the injunction itself and whether or not the injunction itself should be lifted from there. So again, I think we're in a waiting game. I think it's fair to say that anyone who is trying to predict this has been wrong. So we're not in the prediction business today. So we continue to operate the business as if the LAP rule will go in and we'll obviously await what the court says about the litigation. But obviously, we feel good that the merits of litigation there, but really it's inherently uncertain.

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

I mean, John, if you think about it, we're prepared and our entire plan was enacted to offset what is a worst-case, which was $8 by October 1. Obviously, that has come and gone. It is difficult to speculate on when this is actually going to become effective. But if you think about it as all the pricing actions that we rolled-out, policy changes, etc were done assuming an October 1 implementation date and $8. So as we kind of buy time, that's helpful from that perspective. But again, we didn't have the luxury of waiting. We acted very quickly here and rolled-out the pricing changes and they're performing as expected.

John Hecht
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Great. I appreciate that guys. Thanks very much.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Great, John. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Jeff Adelson with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Jeffrey Adelson
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions, guys. I just wanted to circle back on the loan growth outlook and some of the credit actions you've taken. It sounds like if I'm hearing it right, you maybe have slowed the intensity of these credit actions you took earlier in the year. So just assuming you keep that stance in-place today, does that mean the slowing trend you're looking for exiting the year kind of at this low single-digit growth rate maybe can reverse itself into next year or what would it take for that to reaccelerate and how should we think eventually about the timeline to getting back to that high-single-digit kind of long-term growth rate you look for?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Thanks, Jeff, for the question and good morning. The first thing I just wanted to clarify, when we take action, a lot of its strategy actions that aren't necessarily a single-point in time. So for instance, some of the actions we took around debt consolidation loans or student loans to some degree, if that strategy trips today, action happen. So they're ongoing. They're not new actions. They're the same actions just whether account is applicable to that action. So again, the actions that we are taking today are more idiosyncratic based upon our partner channel or product performance relative to the risk-adjusted return. I think when you think about how credit actions play-out and how the consumer plays out, Brian highlighted earlier, most certainly we're in a period of time that's a little bit more transitory, right? So you have affordability issues for some of the lower-end, lower-income consumers. Hopefully, with interest rates coming down and inflation coming down, that abates a bit and takes some of that pressure off. Remember, a lot of the pressure on credit today stems not necessarily from economics of the consumer, but more that the fact that too much credit has been put in the system in the '21 to early '23 years that has to work its way through the system. I think as that begins to recede, which I think you're seeing in certain issuers across the industry, that gives us a little bit of a tailwind, which says that we can begin to unwind some of the restricted credit actions that we took over the past two years potentially in the latter part of '25. But again, that's going to be based upon performance. So I don't think this is a long-term trend on growth. It's probably a good thing in this period where the credit is a little bit more uncertain. But obviously, our long-term framework and our models are built to deliver 7% to 10% loan receivable growth.

Jeffrey Adelson
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

And as my follow-up, I know you're not the spicing PPPC drivers in the lines, but could you maybe talk about how you feel you're shocking versus that initial $650 million to $700 million you were talking about earlier in the year? And just maybe remind us of any of the PPPC changes you're holding off on at this point until the late rule comes through therefore if it comes through rather?

Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. The way I think about it, Jeff, it's generally in-line with, as I talk about customer attrition being lower, that's a swing between BAU bucket in this bucket. So again, I'd sit back and say, if you were to take a step-back and go to 10,000 feet, I think you'd say the PPPC actions generally are in-line with and Chorus-5 [Phonetic] performing a little bit better. But again, the point I brought up earlier, the point of neutrality as we look at the analysis hasn't changed for us. It's really just the trough. So when does the rule come effective and our trajectory to there, but the point it hasn't pushed out. I know we haven't really talked about that because we want to be able to understand when that rule goes in-place. And as soon as it does, we will certainly provide that neutrality point. But again, things are performing generally in-line and the core has performed a little bit better than our expectations, which I think is reflected in the outlook on page 12.

Jeffrey Adelson
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And we are at our allotted time for questions. We will have time for one more. We'll take our final question from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Richard Shane
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. I was afraid Jeff was going to run-out the clock on me. Look, I realized that CECL reserve is a thought exercise and I realized that guidance on your reserve rate is a thought exercise on a thought exercise. I'm curious, though, if we look at the third quarter reserve rate, it's basically at a cyclical high and you're guiding for the fourth quarter back to '23 levels. You basically have 16 days of incremental information and it feels like you've gone from a very cautious outlook to a more or less cautious outlook. What's changed or what mechanically is driving the sort of decline that Mark DeVries have pointed out as well?

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Yeah. Good morning, Rick and I'm glad that we run the clock out, I knew you got to ask your question. Simply put it, it really goes back to the denominator. Your loss content right now is baked, right? I mean you can certainly in your model roll what the fourth quarter loss number should look like and what the first quarter dollar losses should look like, it really just becomes the denominator. So I don't view it as saying that we're trying to be any more cautious or guide to something that says we fundamentally see a different credit trajectory, more so it's just more the mechanics of the calculation of taking your reserve over an end of period loan number.

Richard Shane
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Got it. Okay. Thank you very much guys.

Brian Doubles
President and Chief Executive Officer at Synchrony Financial

Thanks, Rick. Have a good day.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Corporate Executives
  • Kathryn Miller
    Senior Vice President of Investor Relations
  • Brian Doubles
    President and Chief Executive Officer
  • Brian J. Wenzel Sr.
    Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Alpha Street Logo