S&P Global Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 24, 2024

There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to S&P Global's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. I'd like to inform you that this call is being recorded for broadcast. All participants are in a listen only mode. We will open the conference to questions and answers after the presentation and instructions will follow at that time. To access the webcast and slides, go to investor.

Operator

Spglobal.com. I would now like to introduce Mr. Mark Grant, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for S&P Global. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and thank you for joining 2024 Earnings Call. Presenting on today's call are Doug Peterson, President and Chief Executive Officer Chris Craig, Interim Chief Financial Officer and Martina Chung, Incoming President and Chief Executive Officer and current President of S and P Global Ratings. We issued a press release with our results earlier today. In addition, we have posted a supplemental slide deck with additional information on our results and guidance. If you need a copy of the release and financial schedules or the supplemental deck, they can be downloaded at investor.

Speaker 1

Spglobal.com. The matters discussed in today's conference call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including projections, estimates and descriptions of future events. Any such statements are based on current expectations and current economic conditions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from results anticipated in these forward looking statements. Additional information concerning these risks and uncertainties can be found in our Forms 10 ks and 10 Q filed with the U. S.

Speaker 1

Securities and Exchange Commission. In today's press release and during the conference call, we are providing non GAAP adjusted financial information. This information is provided to enable investors to make meaningful comparisons of the company's operating performance between periods and to view the company's business from the same perspective as management. The press release contains financial measures calculated in accordance with GAAP that corresponds to the non GAAP measures we're providing, and the press release and the supplemental deck contain reconciliations of such GAAP and non GAAP measures. The financial metrics we'll be discussing today refer to non GAAP adjusted metrics unless explicitly noted otherwise.

Speaker 1

I would also like to call your attention to certain European regulations. Any investor who has or expects to obtain ownership of 5% or more of S and P Global should contact Investor Relations to better understand the potential impact of this legislation on the investor and the company. We are aware that we have some media representatives with us on the call. However, this call is intended for investors, and we would ask that questions from the media be directed to our media relations team, whose contact information can be found in the release. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Doug Peterson.

Speaker 1

Doug?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Mark. S and P Global delivered exceptional financial results in the 3rd consecutive quarter. Total revenue increased 16% year over year, marking the 3rd consecutive quarter of accelerating revenue growth. Our ratings division continues to contribute meaningfully to our outperformance with transaction revenue increasing more than 80% year over year. Revenue from subscription products across the company increased 8% year over year as customers continue to turn to S and P Global to provide the benchmarks, data, thought leadership and tools they need to make crucial decisions in today's macroeconomic landscape.

Speaker 2

We delivered 3 30 basis points of trailing 12 month margin expansion and 21% growth in EPS as we continue to invest prudently across the business and return capital to shareholders. Year to date, we've repurchased $2,000,000,000 in shares and plan to repurchase $1,300,000,000 more through year end. In addition to our strong financial results, we continue to invest in innovation, particularly around generative AI and our strategic initiatives, which we'll touch on shortly. We also continue the important work of optimizing our portfolio of products in order to create the most customer and shareholder value. We closed the divestiture of FinCentry during the Q3 and today announced the planned divestiture of PrimeOne.

Speaker 2

PrimeOne sits within our Market Intelligence division and won't have a material impact on either the division or the company's financial results. That said, the divestiture further enables the company to focus our efforts on the best opportunities to drive long term profitable growth. Last week, we announced management changes in conjunction with our CEO transition. Martina will walk through that later in the call. Now turning to market and commercial conditions.

Speaker 2

The debt, equity and commodities markets all continue to show improvement benefiting our businesses. With more than $1,000,000,000,000 in build issuance in the Q3, we've surpassed $3,000,000,000,000 year to date. It's very encouraging to see how participants in the debt markets, both public and private, consistently turn to S and P Global Ratings to help assess risk, balance exposures across portfolios and assess credit conditions. The experience and expertise of our analysts, the breadth and depth of our coverage across credit asset classes and geographies and the relevance of our methodologies and thought leadership has all served the markets very well thus far in 2024. We've also seen some improvement in equity markets as our flagship indices like the S and P 500 have performed very well year to date.

Speaker 2

We continue to see gradual increases in IPO volumes, which benefit some of our volume driven businesses. And M and A activity has also started to show early signs of recovery. The commodities markets have remained strong as well, especially in end markets like energy that are important to our business. We continue to see retention rates improve year over year in commodity insights and are very pleased with both the execution and the market reception of the new products. That said, we've been calling out headwinds among our financial services customers for some time now.

Speaker 2

Those have continued in the Q3 with elongated sales cycles as well as signs of increased price sensitivity and vendor consolidation. Vendor consolidation has historically been beneficial to SP Global given the breadth and diversity of products that we offer, though the pricing environment has had an impact this year. For the last few quarters, we have noted our expectation that retention rates in Financial Services would be slightly below last year. That said, cancellations among our smaller customers in Market Intelligence caused retention rates to dip below our expectations slightly in the Q3, and we expect that to continue to impact the business in the Q4. We'll discuss the impact of all these moving pieces on our guidance in a moment, but the aggregate impact is that we are substantially increasing our outlook on revenue growth, operating margins and EPS for 2024.

Speaker 2

Now let's turn to activity in the debt markets. For build issuance, we saw a 76% increase year over year in the Q3 as we saw strong growth across all products. Refinancing activity remains very strong, including some pull forward out of 2025 and even out of 2026, but certainly within the normal ranges of what we would expect at this time of the year. We're starting to see more activity beyond refinancing with some of the outperformance in the Q3 driven by opportunistic issuance around dividend recapitalizations and the beginning of a recovery in M and A activity. Market conditions, specifically the tight spreads and stability around the rate outlook have continued to be major drivers of issuance in the Q3 and inform our improved outlook for the remainder of 2024 as well.

Speaker 2

As we look to additional rate cuts over the next 12 to 18 months, we continue to expect strong demand among investors for public debt as the current yields are expected to moderate somewhat as rates come down. Turning to Vitality. Newer enhanced products generated $377,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. This represents 11% of our total revenue and is consistent with what we reported last quarter. Key contributors to our vitality index are updated from last quarter as we've seen strong demand for CARFAX listings in the CARFAX Banking and Insurance Group.

Speaker 2

We also see strong growth in energy transition and climate in LNG price assessment products from our commodity insights division. We're encouraged by the acceleration in the pace of innovation at S and P Global and look forward to maintaining our vitality index atorabovethe10% target. Now turning to our latest initiatives around generative AI. Each quarter, we've been highlighting just a few of the many ways we've been leveraging both traditional AI and generative AI within S and P Global. In the Q3, we had a number of new use cases within our products and services, but also within our own internal processes that are very exciting.

Speaker 2

Within market intelligence, we introduced new advanced analytic solutions and gen AI functionality through Cap IQ Pro, which allows users to build predictive models, automate workflows and better identify patterns in data more quickly. Within commodity insights, we enabled cloud delivery of AI ready data on clean energy technology. This is a great example of our efforts to make sure that the investments we've made to prepare our data sets for ingestion in AI models directly translate into benefits for our customers and economics for our business. Also in commodity insights, we introduced our AI powered chatbot called Chat AI to improve the user experience, answer customer questions in real time and help users more quickly discover the valuable insights in our Platts Connect platform. Within mobility, we're leveraging Gen AI and animation automation to embed the CARFAX CarFOX directly within the vehicle history reports that customers use.

Speaker 2

Soon, the animated FOX will appear on additional products, including car care user dashboards and our listings products, driving deeper customer engagement and enhancing brand affinity. Lastly, we continue to invest in our people so they can take full advantage of these incredible technologies as they emerge. Through our recently launched Spark AI Academy, our employees received meaningful training on prompt engineering and other insights into how they can best leverage AI in their own daily work. Not only does this make our employees more productive, but it allows us to cross pollinate new use cases across the organization. It's been inspiring to see some of these early use cases emerge in code development, document analysis, record keeping and process improvement, and the way people are sharing their new skills across S&P Global.

Speaker 2

We're confident that AI will be a strong influence to improve efficiency, productivity, the quality of life for years to come and that over time you will see these improvements in our growth and profitability. Turning to our financial results. With our consistent focus on innovation and execution, we're pleased with the exceptional financial results across the enterprise this quarter. By serving our customers effectively and efficiently, we delivered exceptional growth and profitability in the Q3. Now let me turn to Chris Craig, our Interim CFO, to review the financial results.

Speaker 2

Chris, over to you.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Doug. We delivered strong performance in the Q3 of 2024 as revenue growth accelerated across 3 of 5 divisions and we achieved solid margin expansion for the company. Revenue grew by 16% year over year to a second consecutive quarterly record of $3,600,000,000 in the 3rd quarter as we continue to see strength across our market driven businesses. As Doug noted earlier, we're seeing variation in the relative strength of different end markets this year. We are benefiting significantly from the strength in debt and equity markets while some softness in the financial services sector is tempering growth in pockets of the business.

Speaker 3

The year to date outperformance of the market driven businesses is also leading to elevated incentive compensation across the company. This is a great problem to have and will impact all of our divisions to varying degrees, which I'll discuss in more detail momentarily. Adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 21% year over year to $3.89 This is driven by a combination of our strong revenue growth, margin expansion of 180 basis points and a 2% reduction in fully diluted share count. Turning to expense growth. We saw total adjusted expenses increase by 12%.

Speaker 3

As I mentioned earlier, incentive compensation and commissions have been significant drivers to our expense growth this year. This was true in the Q3 and we expect it to be even more pronounced in the Q4. Overall, while incentives are driving expense growth across our divisions and in the enterprise, it is also a critical component of our strategy to align employee performance with our growth and profitability. The year over year variance in these expenses is particularly pronounced in ratings and indices where we are seeing the largest increase in performance based incentives. It is important to note, however, that our consolidated results impact incentive compensation in every division.

Speaker 3

We've also seen an increase in cloud costs throughout the year as we've moved many products to the cloud and have exited 15 data centers since the IHS Markit merger closed. This increase is reflected in the core and investment growth category, along with our strategic investments and the increase in certain operating expenses that come naturally as the business continues to grow. We also saw increased expense associated with traditional compensation outside of incentives and commissions, reflecting the usual course of hiring and the annual merit increases across the company. While important to remain transparent about the drivers of expense growth, it is just as important to reinforce the fact that the majority of these increased expenses come as a result of strong growth and fantastic financial results to date. Now turning to strategic investment areas where we continue to deliver on our initiatives supporting growth across various parts of the business.

Speaker 3

Sustainability and Energy Transition revenue grew 15% to $90,000,000 in the quarter. Growth was driven primarily by strong demand for Commodity Insights Energy Transition subscription offerings. In Private Market Solutions, revenue increased by 22% to $134,000,000 Growth was driven primarily by increased traction of our product offerings in the private market services of S and P Global Ratings. For revenue synergies, we exited the 3rd quarter with an annualized run rate of $249,000,000 During the quarter, we recognized $72,000,000 in revenue synergies, which came from a mix of cross sell activity and revenue generated from new products. Turning to our divisions.

Speaker 3

Market Intelligence revenue increased 6% in the 3rd quarter. Desktop grew 8% or 1% when excluding the impact from the Visible Alpha acquisition. We continue to see demand for our core products in Desktop, but we also face headwinds in the financial services end market. The elevated cancellations that we discussed in prior quarters continue to impact the organic desktop growth rate and we expect that impact to continue through at least the end of the year. Data and advisory solutions grew 5% driven by strong demand for high growth products such as alternative data from our market data, valuations and analytics product suite.

Speaker 3

Enterprise solutions grew 5% or 11% when excluding the impact of the Fincentric divestiture. Growth was driven by strong levels of primary loan restructuring and amendment activity and several large multiyear software renewals. Credit and Risk Solutions grew 4%, lapping a difficult comparison from the prior year. Growth was driven by solid subscription performance for Ratings Express across North America, along with new use cases emerging from content externalization and digitization. Adjusted expenses increased 8% year over year due primarily to the growth drivers around compensation, commissions and strategic investments that I previously discussed.

Speaker 3

Operating profit increased 2% and operating margin decreased 130 basis points to 32%. Importantly, Market Intelligence margins would have expanded year over year were it not for incentives and commission accruals related to the company's overall over performance, particularly driven by stellar results in our ratings and indices divisions. Trailing 12 month margins expanded 60 basis points to 32.9%. Now turning to ratings, where we saw revenue growth accelerate to 36%, materially exceeding our internal expectations. Transaction revenue grew by 83% in the 3rd quarter, driven by strong activity, particularly in investment grade and high yield bonds during what has historically been a seasonally quiet summer period.

Speaker 3

Non transaction revenue increased 4%. As we highlighted in the Q3 of last year, there was a one time $19,000,000 benefit from a cumulative catch up related to commercial paper in 2023. Excluding the impact of that item last year, growth in non transaction revenue would have been 8% year over year as a result of strong annual fee revenue and an increase in new rating mandates. Adjusted expenses increased 20%, primarily due to increased incentive compensation. This resulted in a 48% increase in operating profit and a 510 basis point increase in operating margin to 61.7%.

Speaker 3

For the trailing 12 months, Ratings margin expanded 650 basis points to 61.9%. And now turning to commodity insights. Revenue increased 9%, driven by strong performance across the division, including double digit growth from 2 of 4 business lines. Price assessments in energy and resources data and insights each grew 11%, driven by strength in our crude and refined product offerings. In addition, both business lines benefited from favorable commercial conditions across various regions, most notably Middle East, Africa and Asia.

Speaker 3

Advisory and Transaction Services revenue grew by 6% or 5% when excluding the impact from the World Hydrogen Leaders acquisition. This was primarily driven by strong trading volumes across key sectors in Global Trading Services. Upstream Data and Insights revenue grew by 4%, driven by strong demand for subscription based software and analytics products as well as continued improvement in retention rates. Adjusted expenses increased 10%, operating profit for Commodity Insights increased 8 percent and operating margin contracted by 60 basis points to 47.8%. Similar to Market Intelligence, Commodity Insights margins would have expanded were it not for incentives and commission accruals related to the enterprise's over performance.

Speaker 3

Trailing 12 month margin increased by 50 basis points to 46.7 percent. Now turning to Mobility. Revenue increased 9% year over year, driven by double digit growth in 2 of 3 business lines. Dealer revenue increased 10% year over year, driven by strong subscription growth across CARFAX offerings. Manufacturing revenue growth accelerated to 2% driven by a strong quarter of subscription sales.

Speaker 3

As expected, we continued to see lower transaction revenue related to our Recall business, which can fluctuate based on the level of Recall activity in any given period. Financials and Other increased 12% as the business line benefited from strong underwriting volumes and increased market penetration. Adjusted expenses increased 9%. This resulted in operating profit increasing by 8% for the quarter and an operating margin of 42.2%, which is unchanged compared to the prior year period. Trailing 12 month margin contracted by 20 basis points to 38.8%.

Speaker 3

Now turning to S and P Dow Jones Indices. Revenue increased 18%, primarily driven by strong growth in asset linked fees, which benefited from higher AUM. Asset linked fees were up 22%, driven by market appreciation and inflows. For the Q3, our global ETF AUM exceeded $4,000,000,000,000 while we acquired a substantial portion of U. S.

Speaker 3

ETF equity flows. Exchange traded derivatives revenue grew 16%, primarily driven by strong volumes across our equity complex products. Data and custom subscriptions increased 5% year over year. The commercial initiatives we have previously discussed are beginning to benefit this business line as ACV in the largest product group increased mid teens in the Q3. Adjusted expenses increased 15% year over year, primarily due to increased incentive compensation.

Speaker 3

Indices operating profit increased 19% and operating margin expanded by 80 basis points to 70.2%. On a trailing 12 month basis, indices operating margin expanded by 200 basis points to 70%. As an enterprise, we delivered an exceptional quarter with robust growth while managing expenses prudently. Our diverse product suite is contributing to our strong results and reinforcing the benefits we realized from having these incredible global brands together. I'm pleased with our team's strong execution during this period and look forward to finishing the year on a high note.

Speaker 3

And with that, I will now turn the call to Martina to provide an update on our leadership transition. Martina?

Speaker 4

Thank you, Chris. Over the 14 years that I've been at S&P Global and under Doug's leadership, I've come to appreciate how this company has gone from strength to strength. That development and our consistent track record of strong performance has been built on Trusted Brands' exceptional talent and a disciplined focus on exceeding our clients' expectations. Over the last few months, I've been deeply engaged with our Board of Directors and every internal and external stakeholder group to make sure we continue that legacy of growth and customer delight. Doug and I have met jointly with many of our largest customers to hear directly from them how best we can position S&P Global to meet their needs in the coming years.

Speaker 4

I've also met with strategic partners, shareholders, regulators and vendors to make sure that we as a leadership team have a clear understanding of the very needs of each group so we can prioritize our investment in both time and capital in the most effective ways. I've spent a significant amount of time with our internal product, commercial and analytical teams as well. While I've had broad experience in my career, including the privilege of leading 2 of our largest divisions, it's vital to me that I have a current and timely view of our products, our customer pain points, our innovation pipeline, our operations and the environment in which we're currently operating. I've met with leaders across the organization to gain insights into all of these key areas, and this will remain an important part of how our leadership team maintains a customer centric, innovative and informed strategy going forward. I've also spent time hearing directly from our people on the topics that matter most to them.

Speaker 4

I've hosted nearly 40 town hall meetings, roundtable discussions and deep dive sessions across the organization to discuss everything from culture to organizational design and to make sure that our leadership is accessible and transparent with our people around the world. These experiences have made it crystal clear to me how incredible this organization is. Our core products are strong. Our people are remarkable. There's a real sense of pride, excitement and optimism as we look to expand our vision of what we can accomplish in the coming years.

Speaker 4

Now as many of you saw last week, we announced several leadership changes to ensure we have the right team in place to deliver this expanded vision. We have a strong culture of developing leaders at S&P Global, and it's a testament to that culture that 6 of the 7 leaders on this slide who are taking on new roles are internal promotions. As we announced last week, we are thrilled to welcome Eric Abouaf as our new CFO, and we expect him to join in February of 2025. Eric brings a wealth of experience as a CFO in the financial services sector and a very strong track record of exactly the type of disciplined execution that we hope to continue here at S&P Global. We also announced last week that we are making some changes in our division leadership.

Speaker 4

Effective November 1, Sagata Saha will become the President of our Market Intelligence division, having previously led Commodity Insights Jan Napalik will become the President of S&P Global Ratings, having most recently served as the Global Head of Rating Services. We will have Co Presidents of Commodity Insights Mark Aramo, who is our current Head of the Fuels, Chemicals and Resource Solutions Business and Dave Ernstberger, who currently leads the Market Reporting and Trading Solutions business. S&P Global Mobility will continue under the leadership of Edouard Tavernier and S&P Dow Jones Indices will continue to be led by Dan Draper. In addition to our division leadership, I also wanted to highlight 2 horizontal functions that we've introduced. First, in addition to his role as President of Market Intelligence, Sagata Saha will also serve as our Chief Enterprise Data Officer.

Speaker 4

In that role, Segata will lead enterprise wide efforts to expand and connect S&P Global's vast data estate, harnessing the full potential of the company's data capabilities for our customers. Lastly, Sallie Moore will be assuming the newly created role of Chief Client Officer. Given the immense breadth of the data products and services that S&P Global brings to the market, we often meet with customers who are buying several products from various divisions. As current Head of Strategy, M and A and Partnerships, Sallie has a deep understanding of our capabilities and strong relationships across the industry. In her new role, she will lead our commercial initiatives across the company to make sure that we are bringing the full power of S&P Global to our largest clients, and she'll establish an enterprise wide capability to drive strategic account management at scale.

Speaker 4

With our executive leadership team in place, we are in a strong position to execute against well defined strategic initiatives. Benchmarks, private markets, sustainability and energy transition, enterprise data and generative AI were all topics that we discussed at our Investor Day in 2022, and we plan to continue our strategic focus and investments in these areas. Back in July, we established teams with senior leaders from across the organization to do deep reviews in the key strategic areas that we believe are aligned to our core competencies, competitive advantages and market opportunities. And it was encouraging to see the work these teams delivered as we believe each of these areas remains an attractive investment and we identified important opportunities to drive incremental growth beyond what we had previously considered. We will have more to say about the strategic initiatives over time, but I wanted to assure you all that we continue to see very strong potential in each of these areas.

Speaker 4

We remain committed to transparency and accountability around the investments we are making and the impact we're seeing on our performance as a result. Now turning to our outlook for the remainder of 2024. Our financial guidance assumes global GDP growth of 3.2%, U. S. Inflation of 2.9% and an average price for Brent Crude of $81 per barrel.

Speaker 4

These are all roughly in line with our previous expectations. While there's some variation in market expectations around the pace of rate cuts through the end of the year, our base case assumption is that we see at least one more rate cut this year in the U. S. While encouraging for various parts of our business going forward, we would not expect the number of rate cuts in the remainder of 2024 to drive much variation in our financial results for 2024. Given stability in our macroeconomic outlook and the significant outperformance since we last provided guidance, we are increasing our outlook for 2024.

Speaker 4

We are increasing our build issuance forecast for 2024 by 25 percentage points. Given the outperformance in Q3 and our expectation that Q4 will likely see positive growth in build issuance, We are now expecting total build issuance to increase approximately 50% in 2024. These factors combined with the exceptional results year to date inform our decision to substantially increase our full year financial guidance for the company once again. This slide illustrates our current guidance for GAAP results. We are once again raising our enterprise outlook for the full year on all headline metrics given the strength of the 3rd quarter and our improved outlook for the Q4.

Speaker 4

We now expect revenue growth in the range of 11.5% to 12.5%, adjusted margin expansion of 200 basis points to 2.50 basis points and adjusted diluted EPS in the range of $15.10 to $15.30 representing a $0.70 to $0.75 increase from our prior guidance. Additional details on our consolidated financial guidance can be found in our press release, but I also wanted to note we have increased our guidance for adjusted free cash flow to approximately $5,200,000,000 up $500,000,000 from our prior guidance. As I'll discuss in a moment, we continue to balance near term profitability with the need to invest for future growth, and we continue to prioritize long term profitable growth for the company as a whole. The strength of our market driven business so far in 2024 provides us with an opportunity to invest in our products, our people and our brands across divisions, while still delivering significant outperformance at the enterprise level, and that will be reflected in our outlook today. Specifically, as Chris discussed earlier, the strong outperformance thus far this year will increase incentive compensation across the company in 2024 and will also provide capital to pull forward some planned future investment in technology into this year.

Speaker 4

This is a good thing. And while it has the combined impact of tempering potential margin expansion in some divisions in 2024, we firmly believe that investing in our products and people will enhance our ability to deliver stronger enterprise financial results over the long term. Moving to our division outlook. Given the continued headwinds that Doug mentioned facing our financial services customers, we are tightening the range for Market Intelligence revenue growth in 2024. We now expect growth in the range of 6% to 6.5%.

Speaker 4

Following the very strong Q3 and the improved outlook for the Q4, we are raising the guidance range for Ratings revenue growth by 12 percentage points and now expect revenue in the range of 26% to 28% for the full year. While this represents an even more significant increase from the initial guidance we provided back in February, we remind investors that our guidance reflects our expectations based on the best information and estimates available at the time, and Ratings remains largely a market driven business that is difficult to predict in the near term. The issuance environment in 2024 has progressed well beyond what we expected at the beginning of the year, and we have adjusted our guidance as we saw the market dynamics evolving throughout the year. We are pleased that our decisions to preserve and invest in capacity in prior years have allowed us to meet the elevated demand in 2024, and we look forward to finishing the year strong. In commodity insights, we are tightening the range and raising the low end to reflect the strength we've seen throughout the year.

Speaker 4

We now expect revenue growth in the range of 9% to 9.5%. In Mobility, we are tightening the range as well, and we now expect revenue in the range of 8% to 8.5%. Lastly, in indices, the continued strength in AUM, exchange traded derivatives and subscription ACV led to an improved outlook for the year. We are raising our guidance by 3 percentage points to a new range of 13% to 15%. Turning to division margins.

Speaker 4

In Market Intelligence, we now expect margins in the range of 32.5 percent to 33%, tightening and slightly lowering our prior range due to the updated revenue outlook and the elevated expenses associated with compensation that were discussed earlier. In Ratings, we now expect higher revenue to improve margins as well and now expect full year margins in the range of 61% to 62%. In Commodity Insights, we are tightening the guidance to a range of 46.5 percent to 47%, reflecting the strong revenue growth, planned strategic investments and the impact of compensation expenses. In Mobility, we are tightening the guidance to a range of 38.5% to 39%, reflecting the performance year to date and the continued investments to drive future growth. In indices, we expect higher growth to drive improved margins, somewhat offset by incentive compensation and strategic investments.

Speaker 4

We now expect margins in the range of 69.5% to 70.5%. As we continue to prioritize enterprise growth and identify areas for incremental investment in both people and products, we are thrilled to be able to make those incremental investments while still passing on much of the revenue upside from this year to the margins. Compared to the initial guidance we provided at the beginning of the year, we now expect 5 to 6 percentage points more revenue growth, 100 to 150 basis points of further margin expansion and nearly 10% higher adjusted EPS. We believe that this enterprise mindset and focus on solving for the collective whole will drive strong profitable growth and long term shareholder value for years to come. With that, we will turn the call back to Mark for your questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Martina. Operator, we will now take our first question.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Ashish Sabadra with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to drill down further on the Mi segment. The execution there has been a bit choppy. And so just as we think about with the new leadership changes and some of the portfolio rationalization that we have seen? Is there further opportunity for more rationalization there?

Speaker 5

Or how do we get that business on a more steady execution? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Hi, Ashish. It's Martina here. Thank you very much for the question. Well, in Market Intelligence, as we said during the prepared remarks, we've certainly seen a little bit of an uptick there in cancellations in some of our smaller customers. We talked about some pricing pressure, tightening of budgets and some longer sales cycles.

Speaker 4

I think an important point here is that this is really around the end markets, Ashish, and some of the headwinds that we're seeing with those end markets. Now as we move forward, we're continuing to drive innovation in our products within Market Intelligence. We're very focused on touch points with our customers and making sure we're meeting their needs. And maybe I would say, while these are some cyclical headwinds and it's a little bit difficult to call where a trough might be here, but we're very confident that the value we're creating for the customers will be evident as we move through a cycle or cyclical recovery there as well. And perhaps to answer your question on the portfolio optimization piece of it, yes, we've announced 2 divestitures this year, but this is part of our ongoing model around portfolio optimization.

Speaker 4

We are always very disciplined and examining businesses and product lines across the company to make sure they're a fit for our strategy and that we are the right owners of those businesses. And so that's something that we'll continue to do in the future.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Thanks so much. Martina, I wanted to ask you a bit of a broad question about where you see as the biggest areas of opportunity for investment in your mind?

Operator

Just any I imagine AI is probably up there, but just any others you've identified where you feel like the opportunity is really there for the company? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Hi, Tony. Thanks for the question. As we said in the opening remarks, we've spent a lot of time in the last several months, collectively as a team, myself and Doug meeting with customers. And quite frankly, this is a phenomenal business and one that we as a new leadership team will look to make even better. I highlighted 5 secular trends in the presentation.

Speaker 4

And in each of these 5, we had discussed during the Investor Day in 2022. And I'll tell you the thing that got me most excited is not only is it was the work that we did in the last few months, it was a reaffirmation of the strategy that we have, but we've also identified other areas within those five where we think we've got good opportunities for maybe new incremental growth. So those would be the things I would highlight there and a lot of excitement with the new leadership team to go after us. Thanks, Tony.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Your line is

Speaker 6

open. Thank you. Martina, I was just wondering with all the, I guess, work you've done leading up to taking over here, I think you ended with the question the comment on solving for the collective whole. It feels like with 5 big businesses, there's a whole lot going on. So I was just curious if the comments you made around simplification in Mi, if you have any thoughts on the broader company and portfolio in terms of where it stands today?

Speaker 4

Hi, Manav. Thanks so much for the question. Look, you've seen us be very disciplined around capital management over the past several years and very specifically under Doug as CEO. And we're going to remain committed to capital management and returns to our shareholders. So I'll start by saying that with that, we will continue to look at whether it's M and A, whether it's portfolio management with the same level of discipline that we always do.

Speaker 4

And as I said in the last question, we're going to test constantly, are we the right owners for businesses? Are we investing the right amount? Or should we be reprioritizing and redirecting investments? And those are all things that we'll do with the leadership team going forward. Thank you, Manav.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Scott Wirtzel with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to hit on the synergy topic. I mean, good to see the run rate increasing there. And I guess just wondering in the context of maybe some of the choppiness that we're seeing in Market Intelligence and the outperformance in some of the other segments, are we seeing any sort of change in geography in terms of where the synergies are impacting by division?

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Scott. This is Doug. When we look at the synergy performance of the company, we're very pleased. Across the board, we're ahead of our what we had of our expectations. We see in particular cross sell as one of the areas that has done incredibly well.

Speaker 2

And when I talk about cross sell, I talk about cross sell intra division. We're also very excited about the new role that Sally Moore is going to have, which is going to bring up a lot more opportunity across divisions for cross sell. And then within the divisions on new products, new services, we've been quite successful getting things out. And for example, we've had 23 new products this year so far for Market Intelligence. Those products are all doing well, and we continue to be on track to deliver our synergies.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Yes. Hi. Thank you. So I wanted to ask about Ratings. I think Doug in your comments you mentioned some pull forward from 2025 and even 2026 this year.

Speaker 8

It's certainly been a very strong year for issuance. And I'm curious if you have any early thoughts around 2025. And I know a few years ago you talked about 6% to 9% was the long term growth rate or the 25% to 26% growth rate. Do you think that is achievable? And what are some of the factors to consider?

Speaker 4

Hi Faiza, this is Martina. Thanks so much for the question. Yes, we have seen certainly higher levels of issuance than we anticipated earlier in the year. And this is the 3rd time I believe that we've raised guidance for ratings. The business itself when it comes to refinancing and the dramatically different from what we would have seen in the last couple of years.

Speaker 4

And so when we say, as we usually do in our calls, that there's a healthy maturity wall anywhere from $2,000,000,000 to $2,800,000,000,000 each year over the next 5 years, that is still very much the case for us. Now we always also say that we can't predict with exact precision the actual timing of refinancing and so much of that this year, for example, has been related to spreads. So to the extent that we see certain things continuing to move ahead, it could impact more pull forward or less pull forward. Moreover, I would say for us the biggest correlation in issuance overall is actually GDP growth. And so this is something that we would pay very close attention to over the next several years as we think about the ratings business and any of the other businesses that are impacted by GDP growth.

Speaker 4

And then finally to your point on the 6% to 9% Investor Day, this was really a target from 2023 to 2025, 2026, so a multiyear target. And I would say for the enterprise as a whole, we are very much on track for reaching that target and with ratings. Thank you, Faiza.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Motomatim with Evercore. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to follow-up on the competition in Market Intelligence. It sounded like that the pricing competition picked up a little bit this quarter. Wondering if you could just elaborate on that.

Speaker 9

And, maybe secondly, specifically within Market Intelligence, Martina, if you're thinking about, maybe incremental areas of investment that are needed to reach the 7% to 9% revenue growth target? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks, David. Let me start. As we've mentioned, there's been headwinds on this area for many, many quarters. This isn't something new for us.

Speaker 2

We saw this when the investment banks and both the buy side and the sell side were pulling back when inflation had gone up quite dramatically, interest rates were spiking. There were a lot of trends which had slowed down the environment. We had seen a slowdown of the sales cycle. So as opposed to this necessarily being pricing, we have seen some price sensitivity. This is just a residual impact of all of the changes and the expense management that we saw in the area.

Speaker 2

We have seen something that we discussed, we call vendor consolidation that historically has been very beneficial to us. We have the kind of data sets in a way that many organizations when we start talking with them, they don't realize how many things we have. It gives us an opportunity to bring more and more capabilities when we have these discussions. So yes, we have seen some consolidation. We've seen some sales cycle slowdown.

Speaker 2

We've seen some pricing pressure overall, but it is an incredibly strong business. The synergies have been coming along and the integration has gone incredibly well. Martina, over to you.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Doug, and thanks for the question. I would say that as it relates to Market Intelligence growth rates going forward, As Doug commented and we've discussed in the earlier remarks as well, this is really a story of end markets. And we're never going to be the ones to call a trough, but we very firmly believe that with the increased touch points, the innovation that we've seen in the business as we come through the recovery, we'll see the value come back into some of the areas that have been a little challenged with the end market challenges we've seen so far. Thanks for the question.

Speaker 2

Thanks, David.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Craig Huber with Huber Research Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Thank you. Doug, I just wanted to say, I mean, I thought you've done a great job running the company here, I guess, for the last 11 years. I wish you all the best going forward here. I mean, it would be a tough act for Martinez to follow here. But, Martina, my question to you is, as you think about what your plans here for the company here, what do you plan on potentially doing different here going forward?

Speaker 10

Of course, we don't want to screw up anything here, so the number one thing. But what are your plans to potentially do anything different here to enhance shareholder value? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks for the question, Craig. And I completely agree with you that Doug is a very hard act to follow. I can tell you we are focused really here on this wonderful company, great as it is and how much better we can make it. And the new leadership team as it's been announced does have some different functions than what we've had before. And those are some areas where we plan to connect the dots a bit more across the divisions through the Chief Commercial Officer and to have really a scaled capability for strategic accounts and through our enterprise data office.

Speaker 4

We're looking at ways in which we can connect our data together so that it provides us with really interesting and easier pathways to growth across the organization. As you know, we have one of the deepest and richest data states in the business, and we're very excited about the potential for that. Thanks for the question. Thanks, Craig.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Yes. Hi. This is Alex Hess on for Andrew. On the indices business, I'm going to ask about the indices business. Can you walk through some of what gives you conviction in the price actions flowing through the year?

Speaker 11

I know you guys touched on an ACV number and how we should maybe think about the relative strength that you're calling out in that index data and custom piece versus a challenging end market for financial services and versus one of your peers calling out some softness in their ETF business. So it would be helpful to maybe get your thoughts on the landscape in the index segment.

Speaker 3

Sure. Hi, Alex. This is Chris. Thank you for your question. So first, we are solving for long term customer relationship and growth at indices.

Speaker 3

We will see some acceleration in the data and custom in line with what we expected next quarter. We want to take the necessary steps and time to make sure we preserve long term relationships rather than solving for short term economics with our pricing. That said, data and custom did increase 5% year over year. The commercial initiatives we previously discussed earlier in the year are really starting to pick up now. ACV in the largest group, the end of day data revenue, we see that going to mid teens this quarter and we really expect to see some ACV acceleration later on in the year.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hi, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to dive a little bit deeper into Market Intelligence. Can you elaborate on what you would need to see with respect to external market conditions for growth performance to improve? And what the low watermark for MI growth should be, including when you would expect to see growth to bottom out?

Speaker 4

George, it's Martina. Thanks for the question. Well, the low watermark in my parlance, I mentioned trough in response to one of the earlier questions. We're not going to be the one to call a trough. But we have very good conviction here, George, that with the innovation that's going into the core products, with the customers.

Speaker 4

And look, it's too early to tell about and it could differ by discrete sector within financial services. But we are hearing a little bit of green shoots here and there, continued pressure in other places. I would say we will watch this very, very carefully, but we feel good that we have the products in place, the investments in new products that Doug mentioned, which we're quite excited about and continue to really engage as closely as possible with our customers. Thanks for the question.

Speaker 2

Thanks, George.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Alex Kramm with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Yes. Hey, good morning, everyone. Can you talk a little bit more about what you're seeing in commodity insights and your outlook here going forward. I mean, I think this year you're punching nicely above your kind of medium term Investor Day targets. I know the energy market backdrop is pretty good, but I think things like energy transition are still early.

Speaker 12

So I think as you look going forward, do you think some of the cyclicality is going to get worse? Or on the secular side, do you think we're just at the beginning here of maybe some prolonged like upside? So maybe the cyclical versus secular is really the heart of the question. Thanks.

Speaker 4

Hi, Alex. It's Martina. Thanks so much for the question. We're quite excited as we have been for several years now about the commodity insights business and the performance there. And one of the things that excites us as we go forward is the breadth and if you like sort of embedded diversification across the various different commodity pieces, whether it's oil and gas, power and some of the other areas we've been investing in.

Speaker 4

In particular, we see in addition to great performance for the larger core product areas, we've also seen really nice performance in some of the newer investment areas. So for example, we're seeing rapid growth around some of our energy transition products. In particular, we had our new clean energy tech product that's been launched that's been very well received in the market and lots of other stuff that the teams are doing there, whether it's voluntary carbon markets, low carbon assessments, etcetera. So we think that we're making the right investments here in the areas that will continue to grow going forward and sustaining very good positions and discipline around the core products in the business and overall have, we think, a good story going forward here. Thanks for the question.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Hey, good morning. This is Ryan here on for Jeff. Just on the Private Market Solutions, it sounds like the revenues there were up 22% in 3Q and you're seeing some strength from the buzz going on in private credit going on at the moment. I was just curious how you think your products are positioned to succeed and win share as the market heats up and gets more competitive going forward? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Hi, Ryan. It's Martina here. Thanks for the question. Well, private markets is something that we've been investing in and growing very fast in over the last several years, and it impacts us across the portfolio. We have phenomenal products in market intelligence, for example, eye level and Wall Street Office and those two products have come up in some of the conversations that Doug and I have been having as we've been doing our transition meetings with senior clients.

Speaker 4

We also, as you know, have been making great strides in the ratings division with our private markets ratings and assessments as well as seeing some really interesting opportunities in the index business also. So overall, this is a transversal opportunity for us. We're excited about it. We're going to continue to invest and prioritize within this area because there are so many ways in which we can play in this market and we're going to be very disciplined and thoughtful about prioritizing within the private market opportunity to put the money where we can get the best return, deliver the best value for our customers and overall returns for our shareholders. But it's a good story there for us.

Speaker 4

Thanks very much, Ryan.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ryan.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Meuler with Baird. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Yes. Thank you. Good morning. Just can you address the mobility revenue guidance? It's the Q2 in a row you've trimmed the high end and there's multiple positive callouts for Vitality and subscription growth looks good.

Speaker 10

Is it still recall activity headwinds or just any other callouts on mobility guidance? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Hey, Jeff. Thanks for the question. This is Chris again. So first, mobility sort of core subscription growth really did terrific this quarter, coming in at a little over double digits, low double digits. Even with the CDK outage, still we see strong growth in the subscription business.

Speaker 3

So yes, the challenge continues to be recall, but coming into next year, that's we really have an easy lap when we look at 2025, mostly because of the recall. So that does continue to be the headwind in that market.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jeff.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Hap with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Speaker 14

Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my question. Curious if you could talk about what you're seeing in terms of the pace of AI adoption among your customers? What if anything do you see holding them back from further adoption of some of the AI products that you're rolling out? Is it budgetary? Is it interrupt data accuracy?

Speaker 14

And then I don't know if it's relevant or not, but if you can talk about your own learnings as you rolled out AI and maybe what others can learn from that? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Hi, Jason. It's Martina. Thanks for the question. I think it goes without saying, but I suppose maybe I'll make the point anyway, a large language model is only as good as the quality and quantity of data that it's trained on. And we have lots of high quality data.

Speaker 4

And so we feel really good about how we are integrating generative AI into our products. I would say probably 2 areas to think about. So one is how do we take existing products and make them better. And the second is the extent to which we see opportunities to create maybe new versions of products, different cuts of data using generative AI. And we have tremendous momentum, I would say.

Speaker 4

You've seen a lot of that on one of the slides, for example, in our presentation that Doug highlighted. And to your point, we have a lot of our customers because we've had Kensho since 2018 and Kensho has been riding the wave of machine learning, natural language processing and then all the way into Gen AI. And between that and just this incredible breadth and depth of data that we have, we have a lot of our clients actually saying, hey, could you come in and talk to us about how you're thinking about using your data? What can we learn from that? And those have been some really interesting and fruitful conversations and a lot of engagement from our customers on AI ready data as well.

Speaker 4

So those are just some examples. Internally, we as Doug said, we're making really, really incredible progress on the rollout of Spark Assist, both the training on Gen AI as well as the use of Spark Assist as a tool internally. And I can say that we are all very excited about the uptick and adoption across our own employees and the types of use cases that we're seeing and we're able to share those earnings with our clients to make the conversations even more interesting. And I would say that the Spark assist approach that we have taken, we have not necessarily seen many other organizations doing the same thing. So we have a lot to share in terms of our learnings with our customers and great dialogue.

Speaker 4

Thanks for the question.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jason.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Owen Lau with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. Could you please give us more color on your sustainability products? What is the outlook there? And how should we think about the new product launches? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Hi, Owen. It's Martina. Thanks so much for the question. Well, this is an area that we announced a change in when we did our leadership announcement last week. So the plan forward here is to move the Sustainable One business and combine it with the energy transition products and assets within commodity insights.

Speaker 4

And that merged group will essentially still function as a horizontal from within Commodity Insights. Now this is very exciting for us. As I said earlier, the Commodity Insights division has some of the most unique and proprietary ways to think about and measure energy transition. It's incredibly helpful, for example, for our financial services customers as they're thinking about whether or not they're financing some of these new technologies, what their finance emissions are, etcetera. And so this pulling together of these capabilities allows us to create some really unique and forward looking ways in which we can help our clients as they're navigating the transition.

Speaker 4

And I think as importantly will allow us to bring those really high value commodity insights products to multiple different sectors outside of the commodity sector. So we're quite excited about it. We'll talk more about it next year. And well, thanks for the question. Thanks, Owen.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Russell Quelts with Redburn Atlantic. Your line is open.

Speaker 15

Hi. Thanks for having me on. I wanted to go back to Market Intelligence, please, specifically the desktop business. Funk, you mentioned cyclical headwinds for sales and pricing has been a narrative for many quarters now. I wondered, isn't this more a function of lack of structural growth in financial service headcount and sort of high competition in this area that permanently restricts growth opportunities in terms of TAM and pricing.

Speaker 15

I also wondered how S and P thinks it could win market share in desktops and if it can give or if you can give us a flavor perhaps of what customer sets you're targeting, what asset classes you're targeting, what geographies you're targeting, sorry, that would be very helpful.

Speaker 4

Hi, Russell. It's Martina here. Thanks so much for the question. Well, as we mentioned earlier, we do think this is an end market consideration. And here's the point that I would make on this.

Speaker 4

Structural is something that can play to our strengths as much as anything else. And a good example of that is the growth in sponsor business, for example, with private credit. And that's an area where you'll see us actually being able to pick up additional business as opposed to let's say other parts of the financial services vertical that are a bit more constrained right now. But I also mentioned that we are seeing some green shoots in some of the additional area in the additional sectors, some good green shoots in some banking areas, for example, with some of our banking clients. All that being said, we have such an incredible breadth of offerings within Market Intelligence.

Speaker 4

And when you think about Visible Alpha, which has performed really well this year on top of the desktop growth, these are all areas where we think we can continue to engage our clients at the highest levels. We'd also expect for our strategic accounts, Sally Moore's new function as the Chief Client Officer to be able to really connect the dots more effectively across divisions and create higher levels of long term value with our customers. So thanks for the question. Thank you, Russell.

Operator

Thank you. We will now take our final question from Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 16

Thank you. Following up on the creation of the Chief Client Officer role, you've talked about connecting the dots at the client level. Maybe can you provide a bit more color in the sense of the challenge that's being addressed? Is the idea to have a more integrated approach to sales here or customer service, how should we think about that?

Speaker 4

Hey, Surinder. Thanks very much for the question. So yes, we are it is in fact some of the things that you mentioned in your question around a bit more a bit more consistency in how we do things. The connecting of the dots is an important point because our sales teams today are quite independent as we go across the entire book of business. And the results that we can have is that we'll have customers who buy more products or buy products from more than one division, but maybe don't even know the full breadth and depth of the product that we actually have.

Speaker 4

And probably one of the most common things that Doug and I have heard is we've been going out with senior clients over the last several months is I didn't know you did that. So a good first point here for Sally and his team will be making sure that our customers understand the full breadth and depth of everything that we do. She'll also be looking to bring some consistency around the overall go to market practices that we have and really bolstering the strategic relationships that we have with our clients going forward. Thanks for the question.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Surinder. And I want to thank everyone for joining the call today and especially your great questions. Over the past 11 years, I've had the honor of leading S&P Global through significant transformation, and we've always strived exceptional value to our shareholders and our customers. This is my 44th earnings call, and I've had hundreds of meetings with analysts, investors, and I've always appreciated the discussion and the dialogue and the tough questions that you've asked. I've always learned.

Speaker 2

I want to thank our 40,000 people at the company. They are the heart, the soul and the brain of S&P Global and the reason for our success. And I know they're going to continue to deliver growth and innovation in the years ahead. I want to thank Martina and congratulate her on her new role. I'm confident that she's going to be a great CEO and will be a fabulous addition to the company with the full support of our people and a great knowledge and commitment to our customers, the communities and our shareholders.

Speaker 2

I'm very excited about what lies ahead and that we have a world class board, a talented management team and we're very well positioned for the future. I can't thank you all enough. This has been the best run I've ever had.

Speaker 4

Thank you so much, Doug, for those heartfelt words and for your remarkable leadership that has transformed S&P Global. You grew our market cap from $16,000,000,000 to $165,000,000,000 while fundamentally strengthening our capabilities through the IHS Markit acquisition. But beyond these impressive numbers, you've led with extraordinary empathy and wisdom, creating a legacy that I'm deeply honored to follow-up on. So thank you to everyone who joined today's call. I look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes this morning's call. A PDF version of the presenter slides is available for downloading from investor. Spglobal.com. Replays of the entire call will be available in about 2 hours.

Operator

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