VeriSign Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Q3 financial results: Revenues rose 3.8% year-over-year to $391 million, operating income increased 5.9%, and diluted EPS grew 13.1% to $2.07.
  • Domain base contraction: The .com and .net domain count fell by 1.1 million in Q3, with renewal rates sliding to 72.3% amid registrars’ ARPU focus and continued China-related weakness.
  • Full-year domain base is now expected to decline between 2.9% and 2.3%, and return to growth may slip into the second half of 2025.
  • Share repurchase program: VeriSign bought back 1.7 million shares for $301 million in Q3, leaving $1.28 billion remaining, supported by $645 million in cash and marketable securities.
  • VeriSign sustained 27+ years of uninterrupted DNS availability via its proprietary, globally distributed infrastructure and dedicated security controls.
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Operator

Good day, everyone. Welcome to Verisign's third quarter 2024 earnings call. Today's conference is being recorded. Recording of this call is not permitted unless pre-authorized. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. David Atchley, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer. Please go ahead, sir.

David Atchley
David Atchley
VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer at Verisign

Thank you, operator. Welcome to Verisign's third quarter twenty twenty-four earnings call. Joining me are Jim Bidzos, Executive Chairman, President, and CEO, and George Kilguss, Executive Vice President and CFO. This call and presentation are being webcast from the Investor Relations website, which is available under About Verisign on Verisign.com. There you will also find our earnings release. At the end of this call, the presentation will be available on that site, and within a few hours, the replay of the call will be posted. Financial results in our earnings release are unaudited, and our remarks include forward-looking statements that are subject to the risks and uncertainties that we discuss in detail in our documents filed with the SEC, specifically the most recent report on Form 10-K. Verisign does not update financial performance or guidance during the quarter unless it is done through a public disclosure.

David Atchley
David Atchley
VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer at Verisign

The financial results in today's call and the matters we will be discussing today include GAAP results and two non-GAAP measures used by Verisign, Adjusted EBITDA and Free Cash Flow. GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation information is appended to the slide presentation, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website, available after this call. Jim and George will provide some prepared remarks, and afterward, we will open the call for your questions. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jim.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Thank you, David. Good afternoon to everyone, and thank you for joining us. Just an apology here before I start that I may sneeze somewhere along the way. A little bit of allergy effect today. We delivered another quarter of operational and financial stability by focusing on our mission as a critical internet infrastructure operator. Also, we extended our unparalleled twenty-seven years of 100% uninterrupted availability for the Com and Net domain name resolution system. For the third quarter, revenues grew 3.8% year-over-year, operating income grew 5.9% year-over-year, and earnings per share grew 13.1% year-over-year. At the end of September, the Domain Name Base in .com and .net totaled 169.6 million domain names.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

During the third quarter, the domain name base decreased by 1.1 million names. From a new registration perspective, the third quarter ended with 9.3 million new registrations, compared with 9.9 million names for the same quarter last year. The renewal rate for the third quarter of 2024 is expected to be approximately 72.3%, compared to 73.5% a year ago. As we have previously reported, we continue to see U.S. registrars prioritize ARPU over customer acquisition through higher retail pricing levels, increased focus on aftermarket sales, and reduced spend on marketing to new customers compared with prior years. In addition, and as expected, China-related weakness continues. These factors are impacting new registrations and renewal rates in 2024. During the third quarter, the U.S. region was lower by approximately 850,000 names.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

China-related weakness contributed to most of the remaining sequential decline in the third quarter. The domain name base from our EMEA region was up nearly two hundred thousand names during the third quarter. As we've noted in our prior earnings calls, we have been developing and piloting new registrar marketing programs with our channel to support our goal of returning to domain name base growth. While we have seen good response to our new programs, it does take time for registrars to adopt and integrate them into their sales cycle. As a result, many are looking towards twenty twenty-five to engage more fully. Accordingly, and with current trends persisting, returning the entire DNB to growth in the second half of twenty twenty-five may be more challenging.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

With that being said, we're doing what we can to help refocus the registrars towards higher renewal rate cohorts with our new programs, and we will provide full year guidance for 2025 during our February earnings call. With the current trends tracking in line with our forecast from last quarter, we are narrowing our expectations for the change in the domain name base to be between -2.9% and -2.3% for full year 2024, decreasing the midpoint by 10 basis points. Moving now to the company's contracts. On September 26th, ICANN posted the revised .com registry agreement for public comment. The comment period runs through November 5th. The current .com registry agreement expires November 30th, and we expect the renewal process to be completed by that date.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Also, as we previously disclosed, we have agreed to discussions with the NTIA regarding .com pricing and the health of the .com ecosystem. The .com ecosystem includes the retail and secondary markets as part of possible mutually agreed solutions that serve the public interest and benefit end users, especially businesses and consumers. These discussions are separate from the .com registry agreement renewal process with ICANN. We're engaged with the NTIA now in these discussions, but we have no further update at this time. Our financial and liquidity position continues to remain stable, with $645 million in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities at the end of the quarter. During the third quarter, we repurchased 1.7 million shares for $301 million. At quarter end, $1.28 billion remained available and authorized under the current share repurchase program.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Now I'd like to turn the call over to George. I'll return when George has completed his report with closing remarks. George?

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Thanks, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone. For the quarter ended September thirtieth, 2024, the company generated revenue of $391 million, up 3.8% from the same quarter of 2023, and delivered operating income of $269 million, an increase of 5.9% from the same quarter a year ago. Operating expense in Q3 2024 totaled $121 million and $368 million for the nine months ended September thirtieth, which compares to $122 million in Q3 2023 and $368 million for the first three quarters of 2023.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Net income in the third quarter totaled $201 million, compared to $188 million a year earlier, which produced diluted earnings per share of $2.07 for the third quarter of 2024, compared to $1.83 for the same quarter of 2023. Operating cash flow for the third quarter of 2024 was $253 million, and free cash flow was $248 million, compared with $245 million and $217 million, respectively, in the year-ago quarter. I'll now discuss our updated full year 2024 guidance. Revenue is now expected to be between $1.554 billion and $1.559 billion. Operating income is now expected to be between $1.054 billion and $1.059 billion.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Interest expense and non-operating income net, which includes interest income estimates, is now expected to be an expense of between $32 million and $42 million. Capital expenditures are now expected to be between $25 million and $35 million, and the GAAP effective tax rate is still expected to be between 21% and 24%. Overall, Verisign continued to demonstrate sound financial discipline during the quarter. Now I'll turn the call back to Jim for his closing remarks.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Thank you, George. In closing, and especially for those who may be new to Verisign, I'd like to say more about what we do and what it takes to deliver twenty-seven years of uninterrupted DNS availability for Com and Net. We recently published a blog, Myths versus Facts about Verisign. In it, we refer to our infrastructure, which is better described as a complex system comprised of many critical components. We often describe it as a proprietary, purpose-built network. Let me briefly describe and expand some of what's behind that. First, an important part of what makes our system unique is our multiple redundant data centers that can receive, process, and immediately distribute globally millions of updates to registration data.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

All that can happen in under twenty seconds and arrive at our global Resolution Constellation, and then we can immediately reply to queries within milliseconds anywhere in the world. We also maintain, to the maximum extent possible, control of the remote sites from hardware and firmware up, allowing for better security practices such as firmware, bootloader, and code verification, single purpose, proprietary and optimized DNS processing, which provides additional layers of protection against cyber attacks, elimination of shared services, meaning dedicated capacity and no multi-tenancy for networks or compute resources throughout the entire system, which is one reason we do not rely on public cloud services but have developed our own purpose-built private cloud infrastructure. Network compute and all other resources are dedicated to delivering on our core mission: registry, resolution, and root services.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

This allows us to mitigate risks such as collateral damage that arise in public cloud infrastructure. With service locations in more than 60 countries in data centers we wholly own or secure co-location spaces we lease, the entire system was designed with maximum diversity that includes operating systems, compute, network and security, hardware, transit providers, and more, and over capacity measured in orders of magnitude. The most critical component of our system is the 600+ skilled engineers, cybersecurity, infosec, and DNS specialists that maintain, operate, and protect it. That, and a lot more that we don't talk publicly about, is what it takes to achieve an unparalleled 100% availability record of 27+ years, spanning four decades, processing, on average, hundreds of billions of transactions per day.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Critical infrastructure that has relying parties counted in the billions, users, devices, and more around the world, and it deserves no less. Every quarter you hear me thank our teams for their commitment and dedication to our mission. Delivering this level of performance and reliability is a source of pride and deep responsibility for our employees. Thanks for your attention today. This concludes our prepared remarks. Now we'll open the call for your questions. Operator, we're ready for the first question.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Once your question has been stated, please mute your line. Again, please press star one to ask a question. We will take our first question from Rob Oliver with Baird.

Rob Oliver
Rob Oliver
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Great. Thank you. Good afternoon. Jim, I want to touch on your comments relative to the channel marketing efforts that you guys are engaged in. The registrar's prioritization of ARPU in this environment is not new. And I know initially when you guys rolled out these or announced the rollout of these plans, your hope was to grow domains in 2025. It certainly sounds like you're less confident about that now. So just wanted to get an update from you on how those plans are going, if you've needed to tweak them at all, or any color you could provide, unless something's changed at the registrar end that we're missing, how you guys are pivoting or adjusting to try to reaccelerate that growth in 2025.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Okay, thanks, Rob. So correct me if I'm wrong, I think I heard two questions in there. One is, one was about ARPU, and the other one is about, call it, slipping into twenty twenty-five. Is that fair? Is that kind of your question?

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Yes. Well, I think you really, it's more the slip that beyond 2025, because I think the prioritization of ARPU is something that you guys have talked about, and we've seen at the registrars, unless there's a change there, I guess. So that's half a question.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Okay.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

If there's a change, please.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Yeah, well, let me take them in reverse order then. When we're talking about the programs moving into twenty twenty-five, the registrars are not able to engage quickly enough to put the programs into effect, so we see some of that slipping from twenty-four into twenty-five, and therefore, we're pushing out a little further and saying that could impact our goal of returning to growth in the second half of twenty twenty-five. Your second question about ARPU is, we see clear indications, you know, of the registrars that are public companies. They've been very clear about, you know, a lot of their improvements and their performance coming from increased retail prices and higher average resale domains.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

GoDaddy disclosed recently that their resale revenue is in excess of $100 million per quarter. So that's the kind of ARPU that, you know, certainly understandable that they're pursuing it, but we still believe that ARPU is cyclical and that at some point a return to customer acquisition is important. And I'll invite George to add any more color if you care to, but.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Yeah, I think that's right, Jim. You know, Rob, as Jim mentioned, the prepared remarks, you know, we were down about 1.1 million in the quarter. 850 from the U.S. was the largest component there, and you know, over the past few quarters, as you alluded to, we have seen U.S. registrars focus shift towards improving their profitability, and they're really doing that three ways. One is they've been raising retail prices. Two, they have, as Jim alluded to, also been focusing on the increased aftermarket sales, which they're basically marking up and selling currently owned inventory of premium names at premium prices. And so while that generates substantial revenue for them on a per domain name basis, the registry doesn't obviously get compensated in that environment.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

You know, lastly, they've been reducing their marketing spend there. So that's been really the headwind with ARPU in the U.S. markets. As far as China's concerned, you know, we continue to see a weak macroeconomic environment there. We've also seen some increased regulation over there as well. And while, you know, the sequential decline was a little bit less in Q3 from China, we still haven't seen any material change that. So, right now, we don't expect that market to have turned the corner just yet, so, but we're keeping an eye on it. That's helpful. My second question was on China, so if I could just pick that up, George, that's helpful.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Do you guys expect, or can you update us on your thought relative to how or if you stand to benefit, if we do see kind of continued uptick in economic activity in China? In other words, certainly there's a cyclical element that you guys have, I think, felt the pain from. There's also been, as you pointed out, some regulatory issues, regulation. But, I guess one thing we hear from investors often is, you know, sort of secular versus cyclical. So do you guys expect to benefit in China as or if we see economic activity in China rebound? Yeah, I can just tell you historically, when the China economy was doing better, we also benefited.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

As far as how that dynamic has changed, we're keeping an eye on it. You know, some of our registrars did pilot a few of our programs last quarter, and we're pleased with the results. So, you know, we're engaging with them and other registrars into 2025 to engage with our programs, and we hope that those will benefit us in 2025. Got it. And then last one for me, George, also for you, just on the cost side. So there was some outperformance on the operating income side, relative to at least the two estimates that are out there.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

But just curious, as you look at what potentially is these ongoing efforts on the marketing side, how we should think about the potential impact to costs, or are those rationalized certainly through the end of 2024, and how we might think about them, not asking you to guide to cost for 2025, but how we might think about the potentially for incremental costs on these channel marketing efforts? Thanks. Yeah, a couple things. I mean, if you look at the midpoint of our guidance, it would imply that we're gonna probably spend a little bit more here in Q4. If you look at our headcount trends, you know, we were able to hire about 12 people in the quarter.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Finding the right people to align with our mission and the skill sets that we need takes a little bit of time, and we've been looking for those people. So some of the investments that we've been trying to make this year have been pushed a little bit into the fourth quarter. We expect, you know, I would expect expenses to grow more in 2025 than they have in 2024, and we'll give you guidance next quarter on that.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

As it relates to marketing programs, you know, we're always trying to make sure that the marketing programs are accretive to our business, and so to the extent that we're finding success in our programs, we're probably gonna lean more into them and invest more in those programs, but we believe they'll be accretive. If we find they're not accretive, then you'll probably see us pull back on a few of those programs. Clearly, we're trying to drive profitable growth as we have been for a number of years for the company. That's great. I appreciate all the time. Thank you, guys.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Thank you.

Operator

We will take our last question from Max Moore with Citi.

Max Moore
Max Moore
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citi

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Appreciate you taking my questions. And don't worry, I'll be back next quarter. I guess just maybe looking to capital allocation and buybacks, you know, this year's tracking, I think, be one of your largest ever on buybacks. So, you know, just how should we think about, you know, kind of the pace of buybacks from here? And then, you know, also, would you consider, you know, just given the amount of free cash you have, you know, consider anything on the leverage side, you know, maybe lever up to increase the pace of buyback?

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

Oh, well, let me respond to your question and invite George afterwards as well. I, on a part of it, certainly, about leverage. You know, I think you could probably determine from my comments about our operations that I've provided a little bit more color on. We're very careful and conservative about our approach to cybersecurity. That also applies to financial stability. We're very cautious. We're not overleveraged. There's a lot of reasons for that. There are a variety of factors. We just financial stability and operational stability, security and stability in the infrastructure that we operate, all those things to us are the same thing. It's all part of the company's stability. We obviously don't.

Jim Bidzos
Jim Bidzos
Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign

We are not as leveraged as we possibly could be, and we've certainly. That's not a priority for us, and that's not something that we're gonna do, and we know we don't guide to buybacks. Obviously, historically, you've seen what we've done, and George, I'll invite you to comment further.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Yeah, Max. I mean, I think, look, we're trying to return excess cash to shareholders in the most efficient way possible. We've been doing that for a number of years. We'll continue to evaluate the methods and the ways to do that, and the appropriate amounts based on our plans and our investment strategy. So, as Jim said, we don't guide to it, but, well, you know, we try to, I would just look historically what we've done, and if our philosophy change, we'll clearly communicate it to you.

Max Moore
Max Moore
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citi

Okay, great. That's helpful. And then maybe just on some of the marketing initiatives. I don't know if you've, you know, given some examples of some of the programs you're looking to implement, but if there's any color there you could share, that'd be helpful.

George Kilguss
George Kilguss
EVP and CFO at Verisign

Yeah, as we've mentioned, I think in summary, we've really been looking to give more choice to registrars that have potentially differing go-to-market strategies. While I'd rather not provide specifics for competitive reasons, an example of choice could be offering multiple programs that should appeal to registrars that are looking to sell more product or TLDs to existing customers. And then, there are some programs that we're looking to appeal to registrars that maybe prefer new customer acquisition. But we're also trying to align these programs with registrars' goals of pursuing higher renewal rate cohorts, and to the extent we can find those win-win opportunities, we think we'll be successful in that effort.

Max Moore
Max Moore
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citi

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

This concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to David Atchley for any additional or closing remarks.

David Atchley
David Atchley
VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer at Verisign

Thank you, operator. Please call the investor relations department with any follow-up questions from this call. Thank you for your participation. This concludes our call. Have a good evening.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Analysts
    • Jim Bidzos
      Executive Chairman, President, and CEO at Verisign
    • Rob Oliver
      Senior Research Analyst at Baird
    • David Atchley
      VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer at Verisign
    • George Kilguss
      EVP and CFO at Verisign
    • Max Moore
      Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citi
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